[01:25] weeee, on my raring test boxen, the buttons (suspend, restart) on the login page work now! [01:26] otoh, I now always see "an application has crashed" and it's splashscreenqml or whatever [04:51] :( kernel panic, that seems to happen regularly now. [04:51] guess it's time to enable kernel debugging [05:00] Riddell: I'm off to bed and will be mostly offline tomorrow. We're waiting on a jockey fix to build/get published for a Kubuntu respin, but no rush as there's at least one respin the world worthy installer bug left. [05:41] good morning [08:33] test test! [08:33] !testers | final images! [08:33] final images!: Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw, Quintasan, lordievader for information. [08:35] anyone tested upgrade? [08:37] Riddell, er nope:P [08:37] interesting, the only upgrade bit is jockey [08:38] since I last updated/dist-upgraded 10 hours ago or so [08:39] I can report that if it would be useful [08:39] I was happy to see that the buttons on the login screen now work === smartboyhw changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | Upgrade QA : http://kubuntu-qa.dyndns.org/ | https://trello.com/kubuntu | https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas | Kubuntu 13.04 Beta 2 is released http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/13.04/beta-2 | Please test Kubuntu 13.04 RCs in http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/269/builds [08:43] That's too long:P [08:43] Riddell, should we delete Beta 2 for that? [08:49] and suspend is working, which is nice [08:58] plus the splashscreen has now stopped crashing [08:58] perfection! [08:59] valorie, \o/ [09:00] interesting, for me the page /269/ shows all the kub isos crossed out [09:00] but the upgrades are available, so I'll log the tests [09:02] valorie, they are I think [09:02] ScottK requested a respin (or am I wrong) [09:02] yes, he said so above [09:13] ok, reported > bed [09:16] Riddell: Ill test em shortly [09:39] smartboyhw: Yes. There will be a respin yet once an installer fix is found, but there's still testing needed. [09:40] valorie: They are crossed out because we know they will be respun, but it's still worthwhile to test in case there's more stuff found that can be fixed (the known respin is a fix for an issue I found over the weekend) [09:44] ScottK, oh [10:06] ScottK, speaking about the new name: That might be a strategy Canonical uses to remove the non-LTS releases :P [10:07] I mean new name for 13.10 (which still hasn't happened) [10:12] Riddell, for the powerpc image I have invited testers from Lubuntu to help:) [10:12] Should be no problem that there will be testers [10:14] Not supposing it DOES pass though:P [10:14] it might fail.. [11:52] hurray for patches being dropped without any explanation in the changelog [11:54] where? [11:55] its the way of the dragon don't you know === highvolt1ge is now known as highvoltage [12:04] kstars [12:08] somehow kubuntu_fix_FindINDI.cmake was removed [12:08] no idea why [12:09] why i see blog post about homerun 0.2.2 when the installed version is 0.3 ? :- ) [12:09] soee: because you are using a version of homerun which is a nightly build [12:10] ah thank you agateau === highvolt1ge is now known as highvoltage === skfin_ is now known as skfin === skfin is now known as Guest99878 === Guest99878 is now known as skfin_ === Adityab_ is now known as Adityab [13:37] what is the release date ? [13:37] soee, two days later [13:37] !raring [13:37] Ubuntu 13.04 (Raring Ringtail) will be the 18th release of Ubuntu, Discussion and support until final release in #ubuntu+1 [13:38] Grrr no date here:p [13:38] :p [13:39] so the images are RC version ? [13:39] i thought Riddell posted they are final [13:41] soee, !? [13:41] Not yet:P [13:41] Riddell, there won't be kubuntu-docs for raring? [13:42] smartboyhw: !testers | final images! [13:42] soee, it means we have the final few images to testP [13:42] :P [13:45] uhm, complicated :) [13:56] Hi all [13:59] smartboyhw: alas no, but then there hasn't been for ages [14:00] Riddell, oh. [14:00] at least not up to date [14:00] So why is it removed now?:P [14:00] smartboyhw: because I finally made a decision that it wasn't going to get fixed so should be removed [14:01] Riddell, ok [15:36] JontheEchidna: muon can't run the upgrader? [15:36] Riddell: it should be able to. can't it? [15:37] JontheEchidna: just gives an error which clicking on "Upgrade" [15:37] /usr/bin/python: can't open file '/usr/share/pyshared/UpdateManager/DistUpgradeFetcherKDE.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory [15:37] this is muon-upgrader [15:37] Riddell: which version of muon-updater and which version of kubuntu? [15:38] Muon Update Manager: 1.4.1 [15:38] DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 12.10" [15:39] the systray icon does run the upgrader [15:39] (at least once I've an up to date 12.10) [15:44] updater/MainWindow.cpp: << "/usr/share/pyshared/UpdateManager/DistUpgradeFetcherKDE.py"); [15:44] in MainWindow::launchDistUpgrade [15:47] What dbg package would be to get info from Ksnapshot? [15:53] genii-around: it doesn't have one, you'd need to use dbgsym [15:55] Riddell: So basically follow the " no dbg package part" from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash#Debug_Symbol_Packages then? [15:55] Riddell: ah, the kded module calls /usr/bin/kubuntu-devel-release-upgrade instead [15:56] which is why *it* works. I suppose updater should use it too [15:58] genii-around: yep [15:58] OK [16:00] JontheEchidna: hum [16:01] JontheEchidna: that upgrades to the development release [16:01] oh [16:01] well that's not good either then [16:02] I really wish they'd stop making python applications impossible to figure out how to run [16:02] they should bothbe changed to run [16:02] kdesudo "do-release-upgrade -m desktop -f kde" [16:03] infact even that's wrong [16:03] should be kdesudo "do-release-upgrade -m desktop -f DistUpgradeViewKDE" [16:04] JontheEchidna: fancy doing an emergency SRU to make muon-updater and kded module run that? [16:04] Riddell: sure. just have to finish up this git merge I'm doing and I'll make the necessary changes to git + do an SRU. [16:07] JontheEchidna: thanks, I guess me and ScottK will need to shuffle it through the beaurocracy although I'm going out in 30 mins for an hour or two [16:08] ok. I doubt I'll have anything prepared that would also be properly tested within 30 mins [16:10] Good afternoon. [17:06] Riddell: We have people reporting that the RC images does not confirm password matching for encryption.... [17:07] We are trying to confirm it. Sadly the bug is private:O [17:08] Who worked on it BTW? [17:57] smartboyhw: do you have the bug number [17:58] smartboyhw: ^^ [18:05] Hmm wanted to test some images... Will they be rebuilding for long? [18:06] lordievader: as long as they take [18:07] Too bad :( [18:09] depends on disk speed and cpu speed I'm afraid [18:09] shadeslayer: and when they were started [18:09] oh ofcourse :P [18:09] that's implcit :P [18:12] smartboyhw: by the way for future reference if there is a bug that is marked private you can ask to be subscribed to it on #ubuntu-bugs if you can prove that you are about to try and replicate it etc then you will be able to have access to the bug [18:12] or just ping any of us here [18:13] and maybe apply to the bugsquad :P [18:39] Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/730772/ [18:39] Riddell: the line that's most important is 505 :) [18:44] shadeslayer: is that loading KDE on a Android device? [18:44] ahoneybun: almost there, but yes :) [18:44] it tried to mount a rootfs with basic ubuntu on it [18:44] no DE, nothing, just a debootstrapped ubuntu [18:44] My guess is Nexus 10 as it says Samsung and I know you were talkin about it before [18:44] but then it kernel panics [18:44] yep [18:45] once the rootfs is up, I can make it connect to the network and ssh in :) [18:45] I know KDE used a openSUSE base on the Nexus 7 [18:45] and then install various other things [18:45] since it has zypper on it [18:45] well, the Nexus 7 is different hardware [18:45] I know but it is still cool [18:45] I had it loaded on my Nexus 7 [18:45] and what do you mean 'KDE used openSUSE base' ? :P [18:46] I'm not sure what base it was [18:46] you know you can hack it to boot Kubuntu ;) [18:46] it had KDE plasma active [18:46] I would love to do that! [18:46] but Active still needs a bit work on the N7 [18:46] Riddell knows more about the N7 [18:46] it was using the zypper command to handle the packages [18:47] I wanted to talk to him [18:47] he had a G+ post on the KDE Blog that had things I said on it [18:48] shadeslayer: I keep forgetting my passwords [18:49] lol [18:50] use kwallet [18:56] I use firefox with LastPass [18:59] silly KDE Identity is giving me issues [19:02] Heya all - I just installed 13.04 Beta 2 - everything went fine. I did notice an issue with the installer though - when selecting the filesystem type, the choices were repeated three times for some reason. [19:07] sadandblue: file a bug report [19:07] please I'll get the link [19:08] ahoneybun: Just looking to see if its already reported or not - would be against ubiquity? [19:09] yep [19:09] the kde frontend [19:09] rather, the qt frontend [19:09] :P [19:09] hmm [19:09] since Ubuntu is moving to Qt again, what happens to the installer [19:09] do they rewrite the GTK frontend in Qt and then we get alot of love [19:15] smartboyhw: how do you mean does not confirm password matching for encryption? [19:15] Hey Riddell [19:16] shadeslayer: what's that paste from? [19:16] hi ahoneybun [19:16] Riddell: thanks for posting that G+ post on the KDE Blog! about the 100 things that are great about Kubuntu! [19:17] I liked that one :) [19:18] JontheEchidna: how's the muon update going? [19:18] you told 2 things that I said and it made me happy ;) [19:18] Riddell: I'm making a precise pbuilder environment right now [19:19] Riddell: the Nexus 10 [19:19] I'm downloading the Lubuntu AC100 tar as suggested by ogra to check if that works [19:20] shadeslayer: I got into KDE Identity! [19:21] groovy upgrade works [19:21] at least basic one does, time to try one with kde-full installed [19:22] Riddell: how is the work with the Nexus 7? [19:25] ahoneybun: not so good, I got the images to load and show the plymouth boot screen but then it goes blank [19:25] heh [19:25] just remove the plymouth stuff [19:26] Riddell: is that the one for Plasma Active from the KDE site? [19:26] ahoneybun: no it's the kubuntu one I had made up [19:26] Riddell: can't you mix it up since that one works for me on my Nexus 7 [19:26] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-active/daily-preinstalled/current/ [19:27] ahoneybun: well no, our images aren't made from the Mer archive :) [19:27] Riddell: on thats why Mer is using android drivers and stuff right? [19:30] ahoneybun: well yes but the ubuntu nexus images work fine so all that's needed is in there [19:30] Riddell: can I offer my nexus 7 as a testing device? [19:31] ahoneybun: I'm sure someone would happily accept it [19:31] shadeslayer likes to play with that sort of thing [19:31] not take it but I can test images I should say [19:32] ah I see what you mean [19:32] haha :D [19:32] well aye, the images are there to test [19:32] if you can get a syslog output that would be most useful [19:34] Okay - reported it as I didn't see anything similar:) [19:35] sadandblue: so ext4 ext4 ext4 in the combo box? [19:35] Riddell: No, the whole list-ext2, ext3, ext4, .., ext2, ext3, ext4.. [19:36] hum [19:36] not noticed that [19:36] sadandblue: bug No? [19:37] Riddell: where are the images? [19:37] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1171989 [19:37] Launchpad bug 1171989 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Duplicate filesystem types" [Undecided,New] [19:37] ScottK: remind me again what we're waiting on for the images? [19:37] ahoneybun: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-active/daily-preinstalled/current/ [19:37] any idea why this would give me a raring pbuilder? http://paste.kde.org/730808/ [19:38] Riddell: what image do I need or do I need them all? and install how to? [19:39] JontheEchidna: pbuilder is always a mystery to me, ec2 available if you want it [19:39] ahoneybun: instructions here https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Nexus7/Installation [19:39] ahoneybun: you need the .bootimg & img.gz [19:42] Riddell: thanks after I'm done downloading I'll test it out [19:43] ahoneybun: good luck! [19:44] Riddell: its going to hang on boot is it not? [19:48] Oh, there were some stale build directories in my pbuilder cache causing problems... [19:52] Riddell: how would I get a syslog? [19:52] ahoneybun: that's what it did on one of my nexus 7 [19:52] ahoneybun: on the other one it didn't boot at all [19:52] ahoneybun: that I'm not sure [19:53] ahoneybun: you /might/ be able to ssh in as the following wiki page says [19:53] or you can work out how to get a serial console maybe? [19:54] not sure, I'll see if it will boot at all, I'll have to do this later, first get the packages from the site, reboot computer and charge the Nexus 7 [19:54] then I have class during the charging part [19:55] Riddell: I wanted to know also if there were some jobs that I could help for the 13.04 release [19:56] ahoneybun: image and upgrade testing please :) [19:56] ahoneybun: release page and upgrade notes also need written [19:57] Riddell: upgrade testing as in upgrade to 13.04? [19:57] ahoneybun: oh and we don't have a pretty picture, hows your graphics skills? [19:57] ahoneybun: yes [19:58] Riddell: just shot me some links, I can use gimp pretty well no 10k dollar picture but still nice [19:58] ahoneybun: well it's something to replace the banner on http://www.kubuntu.org/ [19:58] I'm thinking to use the new wallpaper [19:58] Riddell: so how does the ec2 stuff work? [19:59] JontheEchidna: ask nicely and I start one up and you can log in and use vnc to test [19:59] Riddell: the one in the 4.10 release? [20:00] ahoneybun: yeah [20:00] Riddell: could you start an ec2 server please? :) [20:00] JontheEchidna: oh ok,just cos it's you [20:00] Riddell: sure thing! I'll start working on it now! [20:00] :P [20:00] ahoneybun: cool! [20:01] Riddell: whats the command to upgrade to 13.04 from 12.10? [20:02] Riddell: I'll forward some samples to your email? [20:03] ahoneybun: to upgrade run kubuntu-devel-release-upgrade [20:03] yofel: in konsole or krunner? [20:03] shouldn't matter [20:04] * yofel fires up virtualbox [20:04] JontheEchidna: ubuntu@ec2-54-234-44-118.compute-1.amazonaws.com [20:05] JontheEchidna: installing tightvncserver for vnc, use krdc to connect to it on ec2-54-234-44-118.compute-1.amazonaws.com:5901 after running vncserver [20:05] you read my mind ;-) [20:08] JontheEchidna: get in ok? [20:08] Riddell: I seem to have connected to my own desktop [20:08] um [20:08] JontheEchidna: ssh into it [20:08] run vncserver [20:08] ooooh [20:09] jtechidna: welp, now there's 2 of me [20:12] and actually I wonder if vncserver will do anything when you don't have a desktop installed [20:12] might need to install kubuntu-desktop first [20:12] it's looking like that [20:12] it's whinging about not having a ~/.Xsession file [20:13] Riddell: where can I get the image of the ringtail? [20:13] !daily [20:13] Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ [20:13] er [20:13] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/ [20:13] ahoneybun: ^ [20:14] yofel: I might a .png or something my bad but I got it [20:14] ah, that kind of image ^^ [20:15] :) [20:15] ahoneybun: are you asking for a picture of a lemur? [20:15] Riddell: the image of the animal for this release but I got it! [20:23] ahoneybun: you did? where? [20:23] Riddell: http://www.geekitalia.it/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Ubuntu-13.04-Raring-Ringtail-Wallpaper-1.jpg [20:23] trying to get the purple out [20:26] Riddell: what about this blue? http://techbeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Ubuntu_Raring_Ringtail_Wallpapers_01-1024x640.jpg [20:28] ahoneybun: that could do [20:28] Riddell: I still need to remove that color as it would hurt the new wallpaper in the image [20:31] Riddell: I have a desktop now [20:32] JontheEchidna: hmm 30 mins from when you first asked [20:32] JontheEchidna: I have a script that does a lot of the setup for me but I'm doing an upgrade so /home not mounted [20:33] aw man. I need a 12.10 environment [20:34] come to think of it, my pbuilder command would have given me a 12.04 one as well :s [20:34] Your darkest blue there is #D9D6D4 on the left your lightest is #50857D, but when I look at the blue on kde homepage, the darkest there is #3457BB and the lightest #00A6F0 [20:37] Riddell: I have a prototype [20:37] JontheEchidna: need another ec2? [20:37] Riddell: yes please [20:41] JontheEchidna: ubuntu@ec2-23-22-248-229.compute-1.amazonaws.com [20:42] Riddell: thanks [20:45] ahoneybun: we're all on tenterhooks [20:45] Riddell: what is that? [20:50] Riddell: where do I send the image? [20:51] ahoneybun: an image pastebin? [20:51] oh ojk [20:51] ok [20:56] Riddell: http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a594/AaronHoneycutt/kubuntu-banner-1304-2_zpsf76e6d5e.png [20:57] That one's nice [20:59] genii-around: the banner? [20:59] ahoneybun: Yes :) [20:59] genii-around: why, thanks! [21:02] ahoneybun: mm looking nice [21:02] Riddell: thanks! I want to try to get the ringtail a bit more white [21:06] ahoneybun: The colours on the banner are more vibrant than on the wallpaper you linked to earlier [21:08] hmm after few hours my laptop slows down ... as i reported before kded4 proccess uses > 1GB ram, if i kill it system works fine again :/ [21:10] soee: narrow it down by disabling kded modules? [21:24] Riddell: ok, I'm done testing with the ec2 instance. cheers [21:25] hmm [21:25] gotta go eat now [21:31] hey Riddell [21:34] yo ahoneybun [21:36] Riddell: I also have that image in the same size as the current banner [21:38] ahoneybun: yeah it'll need to be the same size [21:38] it's looking good [21:38] Riddell: thanks, what does it need then? [22:23] ...so apparently my time is "Canada Time (Edmonton)"? Hahaha [22:24] Silly installer. [22:26] Of course, installing some Windows VMs for work today, not one of them got the timezone correct (for some reason, Windows is always sure I live at -0800 instead), so weird nomenclature aside the Ubuquity-Qt installer remains leaps and bounds beyond the Vista/7/8 one. [22:30] Darn. ahoneybun left, wanted to show them one i just cooked up on gimp :( [22:32] Anyhow, http://imagebin.org/255114 I don't think is bad for a first try. [22:32] keithzg: weird nomenclature? [22:35] Riddell: It's extremely strange to call it "Canada Time (Edmonton)". I've never heard or seen that before in my life. [22:36] Oddly, in the dropdown above it had the more standard conventions listed, including "Mountain". I guess there's some alternate timezone detection or listing schemes coexisting? [22:40] JontheEchidna: bug 1172056 [22:40] bug 1172056 in muon (Ubuntu) "release upgrade tool can not be run" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1172056 [22:43] genii-around: that is some serious anti-aliasin [22:43] Riddell: ok, I'll upload my SRU to -proposed in a bit then [22:44] Riddell: Yeah it's a bit crude I guess. === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [22:56] genii-around: your imagebin just burned my eyes [22:56] but I think that's because I'm working in near darkness [22:57] and at 4.30 ama [22:57] s/ama/am/ [22:57] shadeslayer meant: "and at 4.30 am" [22:58] shadeslayer: I'm not sure it's quite that bad, but maybe! Guess I'll tinker some more tomorrow. [22:59] shadeslayer: don't be too positive, he might get a big head! [22:59] lol [23:00] Riddell: fwiw I got X up [23:00] on the N10 [23:00] Anyhow, the colours weren't as bland as the first wallpaper I saw earlier, etc [23:00] except it's a blank screen [23:00] Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/730886/ [23:00] from that log, It seems like X starts [23:01] but I have no idea why my screen is completely black ( there's brightness though ) [23:01] it even detects the resolution correctly [23:03] shadeslayer: that's the kubuntu-active nexus image? [23:04] that's Lubuntu from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-preinstalled/current/ [23:05] ah, different thing [23:05] shadeslayer: tried http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-active/daily-preinstalled/20130227/ ? [23:05] I could [23:05] * genii-around 's clock tells him it's beer o' clock [23:06] :D [23:06] Riddell: downloading, lets see what happens [23:13] oh wow [23:14] oh? [23:14] Riddell: I was looking at super cheap tablets [23:15] Riddell: http://www.flipkart.com/milagrow-mgpt-08-7-16-dx-tablet/p/itmdk8yxp53qugtf?pid=TABDJYJZVATYJ73Z&icmpid=reco_pp_historyFooter_tablet_1 [23:15] ^ has a Dual Mali 400 MP [23:15] which I think has a open source driver, lima project or sth [23:17] £60, cheaper than the rent my flatmate owes me [23:18] *nod* :P [23:18] except the screen is not too great [23:18] hi amingv [23:19] but yeah, a whole bunch of super cheap tablets under 60 GBP : http://www.flipkart.com/tablets/pr?p[]=facets.price_range%255B%255D%3DRs.%2B2001%2B-%2BRs.%2B5000&sid=tyy,hry [23:20] Riddell: hi :) [23:27] Riddell: The isos worked but I have not been able to log to the qatracker for some reason [23:27] shadeslayer: Why would anyone buy that :P [23:28] Riddell: I will test the amd64 one on my machine soon when I'm done with moving data to backup disk so I can do some crazy lvm magic [23:36] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1172059 [23:36] Launchpad bug 1172059 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "kubuntu ubiquity encryption doesn't check password" [Undecided,New] [23:36] Somebody please fix.... [23:41] Riddell: Still here to fix? :P [23:43] smartboyhw: People sometimes need sleep [23:43] Unfortunate as it is, we do [23:44] That said I will go to bed too [23:45] smartboyhw: Ubiquity is written in Python, if you look at the GTK frontend you should be able to fix that in the Qt frontend too [23:45] It's awkward time I know:( [23:45] smartboyhw: I believe it's a simple matter of adding an if there [23:45] smartboyhw: hmm? [23:46] smartboyhw: oh, I think that'll be a SRU now I'm afraid [23:46] Hmm [23:46] Riddell: OK [23:46] Riddell: Still it needs someone to fix it [23:46] nor you nor smartboyhw should do it I can do it tomorrow [23:47] Or more precisely in a couple of hours [23:47] Riddell: It was a bug that would affect everything. There was nothing Kubuntu specific we were waiting on. [23:48] Quintasan: nonsense [23:48] Quintasan: it's 5 AM [23:48] I'm still awake [23:48] In your damn timezone it is [23:48] :P [23:48] JontheEchidna: Let me know when your SRU is uploaded. [23:48] ScottK: it's in queue now [23:48] notice how I said *still* [23:48] ScottK: So that password not matching is a problem in Ubiquity itself? [23:49] shadeslayer: Go to bed. Like, this instant :P [23:49] Your presence in making my argument invalid [23:49] pft, sleep is for weak people [23:49] :P [23:50] I like being weak then [23:50] * Quintasan goes to bed [23:50] one does not sleep when theres so many awesome things to do [23:50] shadeslayer: fix the ubiquity then [23:50] Python is awesome, isn't it? :P [23:50] not at 5 AM in the morning [23:50] * Quintasan notices how shadeslayer digs his own grave almost every time [23:50] shadeslayer: Sleep is for weak after all [23:50] :P\ [23:50] no [23:51]