| darkxst | jbicha, so what do you think re logind then | 01:50 |
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| jbicha | darkxst: you can go ahead, I don't think I'll have much of a chance to test it | 01:53 |
| jbicha | please send an email to the ubuntu-gnome list though to give people a heads-up before they dist-upgrade next | 01:53 |
| darkxst | jbicha, ok | 01:54 |
| eazel7 | the ubuntu-gnome iso installs inside windows? | 03:41 |
| eazel7 | I'm getting the 12.10 amd64 | 03:41 |
| ricotz | darkxst, hi | 09:44 |
| ricotz | darkxst, having network-manager and pulseaudio still using consolekit breaks quite some things :\ | 09:46 |
| darkxst | ricotz, really? I have been using pulseaudio with consolekit without issues | 09:55 |
| darkxst | but can upload logind versions | 09:55 |
| ricotz | ok, pulseaudio might work, but networkmanager doesnt | 09:55 |
| ricotz | at least not reliable | 09:55 |
| ricotz | darkxst, yeah, uploading rebases of pitti patched versions would be nice | 09:57 |
| darkxst | ricotz, what is the problem with networkmanager? | 09:58 |
| ricotz | darkxst, it cant acquire the credentials while not finding a valid ck session | 09:59 |
| ricotz | so things like encrypted wlan won't work | 09:59 |
| darkxst | oh right, I only use wifi, which is work fine | 10:00 |
| darkxst | I will rebase pitti packages and upload | 10:00 |
| ricotz | at least here is it the case, and using pittis nm package works | 10:00 |
| ricotz | and i guess pulseaudio will just be silent while switching to a tty | 10:00 |
| ricotz | darkxst, seems other ones have problems with nm too http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2138106 | 10:01 |
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| ricotz | darkxst, thanks! | 10:29 |
| ricotz | but dont bump the version that way | 10:29 |
| darkxst | ricotz, hmm how? | 10:34 |
| ricotz | darkxst, it should have been 0.9.8.0-0ubuntu6+logind~raring1 | 10:35 |
| darkxst | oh oops | 10:35 |
| ricotz | i mean dont skip version, since the next raring version will probably *ubuntu6.1 | 10:36 |
| ricotz | of course this might prevent updates to the non-systemd version | 10:37 |
| darkxst | ha yes, I planned that all along ;) (even if it was an accident!) | 10:38 |
| ricotz | ;) | 10:38 |
| darkxst | might as well do the same with pulseaudio then | 10:40 |
| darkxst | ? | 10:40 |
| ricotz | if you keep an eye on archive updates and upload updates ;P | 10:41 |
| darkxst | I will try | 10:44 |
| darkxst | meh, will just upload pulseaudio with a proper version for now | 10:45 |
| darkxst | ricotz, so actually my network icon does seem broken | 11:01 |
| darkxst | but wifi is working ok | 11:01 |
| darkxst | broken as in it is displaying that network is disconnected when it isnt really | 11:06 |
| jbicha_ | darkxst: are you still around? | 14:07 |
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| jbicha | ah, nevermind I figured it out | 14:10 |
| jbicha | I'm fixing bug 1171789 by adding ubiquity to the gnome-shell favorites override in u-g-default-settings instead of doing it in casper | 14:12 |
| ubot5 | bug 1171789 in casper (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu GNOME does not show "install" w/o typing in the dash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1171789 | 14:12 |
| bersace_nss_ | Hi, does anyone have error "No session found for uid 1000" with network-manager 0.9.8.0-0ubuntu7+logind~raring1 ? | 14:29 |
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| bersace_nss | thats look relative to migration to logind vs consolekit | 14:30 |
| bersace_nss | i do have systemd-logind running | 14:32 |
| chunkyhead | how to install gnome 3.8 on ubuntu | 14:51 |
| bersace_nss | chunkyhead, use ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3 | 14:53 |
| chunkyhead | thanks :D | 14:54 |
| chunkyhead | gnome 3 would gime me 3.0 or 3.4? | 14:54 |
| chunkyhead | 3.8* | 14:54 |
| bersace_nss | chunkyhead, mostly 3.8 | 14:55 |
| bersace_nss | see ppa page https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3 | 14:56 |
| bersace_nss | you also have gnome3-staging for some more 3.8 pieces | 14:56 |
| bersace_nss | chunkyhead, beware it will break some services | 14:56 |
| bersace_nss | i currently can't use plain jabber account with empathy | 14:56 |
| jbicha | we're respinning the images now | 15:09 |
| jbicha | we might need to respin the Ubuntu GNOME images twice to get the 1171789 fix in | 15:10 |
| chunkyhead | need a little help, i updated repos, and then updated and upgraded, i'm not getting any option of new interfaces in the login menu | 15:47 |
| jbicha | what do you mean "new interfaces" | 16:05 |
| chunkyhead | gnome jbicha. for install gnome interface | 16:07 |
| camelinahat | chunkyhead, use Ctrl+alt+F2 to switch to a vtty, then log in from the command prompt. Run: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade | 16:13 |
| chunkyhead | i dont want to update my distro | 16:13 |
| camelinahat | then reboot. ;) Just doing upgrade doesn't grab everything, you need to do a dist-upgrade | 16:14 |
| camelinahat | chunkyhead, that doesn't update your distro. See 'man apt-get' | 16:14 |
| chunkyhead | i know what's apt-get | 16:15 |
| chunkyhead | what's dist-upgrade | 16:15 |
| camelinahat | See the man file on apt-get. "dist-upgrade in addition to performing the function of upgrade, also intelligently handles changing dependencies with new versions of packages..." | 16:16 |
| chunkyhead | oh ok | 16:17 |
| camelinahat | jbicha, Once the rebuild is completed testing need to be started over again? (invalidate existing tests since they're technically for another image). | 16:21 |
| jbicha | yes or mostly yes, you can ask in #ubuntu-quality if you have more questions about how that works | 16:40 |
| camelinahat | That's what I expected anyways. Respin is just to address bug 1171789 ? | 16:45 |
| ubot5 | bug 1171789 in ubuntu-gnome-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu GNOME does not show "install" w/o typing in the dash" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1171789 | 16:45 |
| jbicha | the first rebuild (which has finished now) was for bug 1080701, the second which will start soon is for the missing install link | 16:47 |
| ubot5 | bug 1080701 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Raring) "After 'Preparing to install Ubuntu' screen, raring installation hangs" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1080701 | 16:47 |
| camelinahat | Yay. Done. Testing time again :) | 17:35 |
| camelinahat | :( jbicha Still doesn't show up in Install Ubuntu-Gnome still doesn't show up in dash on 64-bit live CD | 17:40 |
| jbicha | camelinahat: did you use .1 or .2? | 17:41 |
| camelinahat | .2 | 17:41 |
| jbicha | hmm | 17:41 |
| jbicha | maybe this is more complicated | 17:42 |
| camelinahat | Lemme double check again (totally power off the VM, re-download image and try it again). | 17:42 |
| jbicha | I think it should have worked | 17:45 |
| jbicha | the testing I did here was to install the new package and ubiquity-gtk | 17:45 |
| jbicha | after logging out and logging back in, the Install link was at the top of the "Dash" | 17:45 |
| jbicha | it's possible casper could be doing something weird but I didn't think so | 17:46 |
| jbicha | check the md5sum of the image | 17:46 |
| camelinahat | jbicha, No my bad it's there now. my VM must have cached a copy of the old image. | 17:47 |
| jbicha | yay, thanks for confirming the fix :) | 17:47 |
| jbicha | camelinahat: it sounds in #ubuntu-release like they'll be pushing a new casper so I don't think they'll be rebuilding the images again later | 17:50 |
| jbicha | *so I think they will* | 17:50 |
| camelinahat | lol fun testing moving targets ;) | 17:52 |
| jbicha | we probably should just link to http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/269/builds and tell people to look for the two Ubuntu GNOME images | 17:55 |
| camelinahat | Yeah I realized that after the fact as well. But if there is another rebuild coming out, might be best to wait until after that is finished. | 17:59 |
| jbicha | yes but today's a good day to fix any final high priority bugs | 18:00 |
| camelinahat | Oh agreed. I've only run into a couple minor things with ubquity I've mentioned before (screen shots, and wording on the install type). | 18:02 |
| jbicha | updating the screenshots would affect every image and at this point I didn't think it was high enough priority this time | 18:03 |
| jbicha | same for the inconsistent wording | 18:04 |
| jbicha | next cycle it would be nice if things said "Ubuntu GNOME" instead of "Ubuntu-GNOME" | 18:04 |
| camelinahat | Oh definitely minor bugs. And which is the 'official' name? With or without a space? | 18:05 |
| jbicha | with a space | 18:06 |
| pavel__ | Did you try to install Skype in 13.04? | 18:23 |
| ugone | good evening sorry for my English but is translated by google translator. | 18:46 |
| ugone | I would like to ask when and if it will be implemented in gnome miniiso. | 18:46 |
| ugone | For example http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/quantal/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ | 18:46 |
| ugone | if possible the insertion them obviously | 18:47 |
| jbicha | ugone: no, we do not have plans to add any more images | 18:52 |
| jbicha | the mini iso is a very minimal command line only install | 18:53 |
| ugone | true but it is extremely convenient to install with this system | 18:54 |
| ugone | and on old machines is definitely convenient to install so | 18:55 |
| ugone | anyway thanks for solving my doubt though I hoped would be implemented in the future | 18:56 |
| jbicha | perhaps you are talking about an alternate image like the lubuntu team provides? | 18:57 |
| jbicha | I don't think our project is designed for hardward that is 10 or more years old. Providing an alternate image would require more QA work but not much benefit. | 18:59 |
| ugone | lol | 18:59 |
| ugone | Unfortunately, all the machines I use have more than 10 years and in many schools are also older | 19:00 |
| ugone | often happened that went fallback mode and not gnome shell | 19:02 |
| jbicha | ok, in your case I would recommend Lubuntu | 19:03 |
| jbicha | Ubuntu GNOME 13.04 does not include GNOME Fallback by default (although you can install it later) | 19:04 |
| ugone | I managed to convince a number of people because I could resurrect old computers with Linux but if you have to change and take a new one is very likely to catch him already with windows | 19:04 |
| ugone | is not a problem to install after fallback (although it would be nice to put gia default) but Lubuntu is not livvello gnome as DE | 19:05 |
| ugone | Lubuntu is not at the level of gnome as DE | 19:06 |
| camelinahat | ugone, Unfortunately future versions of Gnome won't have any fallback mode at all | 19:08 |
| ugone | In fact, and this is a big problem | 19:08 |
| jbicha | I believe 13.10 will include GNOME and GNOME Classic by default; I think it would be too much to also include GNOME Fallback | 19:09 |
| ugone | but perhaps you consider that there are many situations in which there are very old machines gnome fallback is a blessing for these | 19:13 |
| ugone | in addition to all the problem is not even more to fit everything on a cd now that the pictures are about 1 gb | 19:15 |
| ugone | pictures = iso | 19:15 |
| camelinahat | ugone, well part of the issue is that I don't believe GNOME themselves support fallback mode any longer (not Just an Ubuntu GNOME decision). see: http://blogs.gnome.org/mclasen/2012/12/05/gnome-3-7-what-is-happening-now/ | 19:19 |
| camelinahat | Currently the Ubuntu Repositories still have Gnome 3.6 which allows for the fallback mode. | 19:20 |
| ugone | thanks | 19:20 |
| atrus | i'm running into zombie processes, children of gnome-shell. anybody else seeing something similar? | 19:30 |
| atrus | ugone: fwiw, i was running gnome-shell for a while without any 3d acceleration. it was noticably slow, but certainly usable. | 19:31 |
| atrus | my radeon drivers were broken, so it was reverting to plain-ol-vesa. | 19:32 |
| Ponch0 | Hey guys is there a way I can set up awesome wm with gnome 3.8? | 21:11 |
| Ponch0 | or gals | 21:11 |
| Ponch0 | no need to assume :) | 21:11 |
| Ponch0 | it's my weak upbringing | 21:12 |
| Ponch0 | anyway I'm getting off the subject here. | 21:12 |
| cmatheson | Ponch0: gnome-shell is a wm, so it won't work with other wms | 21:12 |
| cmatheson | (it's not just a panel like gnome 2 was) | 21:12 |
| Ponch0 | Hm, their wiki does say I can use it with gnome just not higher than 3.4, or maybe the instructions haven't been updated yet | 21:13 |
| Ponch0 | I see, let me see what google pulls up, my first thought was to come here heheh | 21:13 |
| Ponch0 | thanks cmatheson | 21:13 |
| cmatheson | np, good luck | 21:14 |
| jbicha | darkxst: bug 1172062 is a logind regression right? | 23:01 |
| ubot5 | bug 1172062 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "network manager icon does not correctly display status" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1172062 | 23:01 |
| darkxst | jbicha, yes, looks that way, its failing to connect to the user session | 23:01 |
| jbicha | darkxst: don't use -0ubuntu1+ in the gnome3 ppa version strings since it will sort higher than -0ubuntu1 which may be uploaded to the regular Ubuntu repositories | 23:22 |
| jbicha | thanks for working on logind, I don't think it's gotten much testing yet (except from pitti) | 23:25 |
| jbicha | your work will make it smoother when it lands in S | 23:25 |
| darkxst | oh right, oops. but then we probably don't want it to be superceeded by archive versions | 23:32 |
| jbicha | it depends on how soon logind lands in S but it's probably not too big of a deal this time as there's likely to be a -0ubuntu2 | 23:40 |
| jbicha | darkxst: I'm thinking we need one more PPA...to build packages for the GNOME3 PPA and make sure they work before pushing them to the main GNOME3 PPA | 23:51 |
| darkxst | jbicha, yes that could work | 23:53 |
| darkxst | crap, looks like network manager is confused and still trying to use ck session tracking ;( | 23:53 |
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