[01:50] <darkxst> jbicha, so what do you think re logind then
[01:53] <jbicha> darkxst: you can go ahead, I don't think I'll have much of a chance to test it
[01:53] <jbicha> please send an email to the ubuntu-gnome list though to give people a heads-up before they dist-upgrade next
[01:54] <darkxst> jbicha, ok
[03:41] <eazel7> the ubuntu-gnome iso installs inside windows?
[03:41] <eazel7> I'm getting the 12.10 amd64
[09:44] <ricotz> darkxst, hi
[09:46] <ricotz> darkxst, having network-manager and pulseaudio still using consolekit breaks quite some things :\
[09:55] <darkxst> ricotz, really? I have been using pulseaudio with consolekit without issues
[09:55] <darkxst> but can upload logind versions
[09:55] <ricotz> ok, pulseaudio might work, but networkmanager doesnt
[09:55] <ricotz> at least not reliable
[09:57] <ricotz> darkxst, yeah, uploading rebases of pitti patched versions would be nice
[09:58] <darkxst> ricotz, what is the problem with networkmanager?
[09:59] <ricotz> darkxst, it cant acquire the credentials while not finding a valid ck session
[09:59] <ricotz> so things like encrypted wlan won't work
[10:00] <darkxst> oh right, I only use wifi, which is work fine
[10:00] <darkxst> I will rebase pitti packages and upload
[10:00] <ricotz> at least here is it the case, and using pittis nm package works
[10:00] <ricotz> and i guess pulseaudio will just be silent while switching to a tty
[10:01] <ricotz> darkxst, seems other ones have problems with nm too http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2138106
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[10:29] <ricotz> darkxst, thanks!
[10:29] <ricotz> but dont bump the version that way
[10:34] <darkxst> ricotz, hmm how?
[10:35] <ricotz> darkxst, it should have been 0.9.8.0-0ubuntu6+logind~raring1
[10:35] <darkxst> oh oops
[10:36] <ricotz> i mean dont skip version, since the next raring version will probably *ubuntu6.1
[10:37] <ricotz> of course this might prevent updates to the non-systemd version
[10:38] <darkxst> ha yes, I planned that all along ;) (even if it was an accident!)
[10:38] <ricotz> ;)
[10:40] <darkxst> might as well do the same with pulseaudio then
[10:40] <darkxst> ?
[10:41] <ricotz> if you keep an eye on archive updates and upload updates ;P
[10:44] <darkxst> I will try
[10:45] <darkxst> meh, will just upload pulseaudio with a proper version for now
[11:01] <darkxst> ricotz, so actually my network icon does seem broken
[11:01] <darkxst> but wifi is working ok
[11:06] <darkxst> broken as in it is displaying that network is disconnected when it isnt really
[14:07] <jbicha_> darkxst: are you still around?
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[14:10] <jbicha> ah, nevermind I figured it out
[14:12] <jbicha> I'm fixing bug 1171789 by adding ubiquity to the gnome-shell favorites override in u-g-default-settings instead of doing it in casper
[14:12] <ubot5> bug 1171789 in casper (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu GNOME does not show "install" w/o typing in the dash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1171789
[14:29] <bersace_nss_> Hi, does anyone have error "No session found for uid 1000" with network-manager 0.9.8.0-0ubuntu7+logind~raring1  ?
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[14:30] <bersace_nss> thats look relative to migration to logind vs consolekit
[14:32] <bersace_nss> i do have systemd-logind running
[14:51] <chunkyhead> how to install gnome 3.8 on ubuntu
[14:53] <bersace_nss> chunkyhead, use ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3
[14:54] <chunkyhead> thanks :D
[14:54] <chunkyhead> gnome 3 would gime me 3.0 or 3.4?
[14:54] <chunkyhead> 3.8*
[14:55] <bersace_nss> chunkyhead, mostly 3.8
[14:56] <bersace_nss> see ppa page https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3
[14:56] <bersace_nss> you also have gnome3-staging for some more 3.8 pieces
[14:56] <bersace_nss> chunkyhead, beware it will break some services
[14:56] <bersace_nss> i currently can't use plain jabber account with empathy
[15:09] <jbicha> we're respinning the images now
[15:10] <jbicha> we might need to respin the Ubuntu GNOME images twice to get the 1171789 fix in
[15:47] <chunkyhead> need a little help, i updated repos, and then updated and upgraded, i'm not getting any option of new interfaces in the login menu
[16:05] <jbicha> what do you mean "new interfaces"
[16:07] <chunkyhead> gnome jbicha. for install gnome interface
[16:13] <camelinahat> chunkyhead, use Ctrl+alt+F2 to switch to a vtty, then log in from the command prompt. Run: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[16:13] <chunkyhead> i dont want to update my distro
[16:14] <camelinahat> then reboot. ;) Just doing upgrade doesn't grab everything, you need to do a dist-upgrade
[16:14] <camelinahat> chunkyhead, that doesn't update your distro. See 'man apt-get'
[16:15] <chunkyhead> i know what's apt-get
[16:15] <chunkyhead> what's dist-upgrade
[16:16] <camelinahat> See the man file on apt-get. "dist-upgrade in addition to performing the function of upgrade, also intelligently handles changing dependencies with new versions of packages..."
[16:17] <chunkyhead> oh ok
[16:21] <camelinahat> jbicha, Once the rebuild is completed testing need to be started over again? (invalidate existing tests since they're technically for another image).
[16:40] <jbicha> yes or mostly yes, you can ask in #ubuntu-quality if you have more questions about how that works
[16:45] <camelinahat> That's what I expected anyways. Respin is just to address bug 1171789 ?
[16:45] <ubot5> bug 1171789 in ubuntu-gnome-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu GNOME does not show "install" w/o typing in the dash" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1171789
[16:47] <jbicha> the first rebuild (which has finished now) was for bug 1080701, the second which will start soon is for the missing install link
[16:47] <ubot5> bug 1080701 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Raring) "After 'Preparing to install Ubuntu' screen, raring installation hangs" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1080701
[17:35] <camelinahat> Yay. Done. Testing time again :)
[17:40] <camelinahat> :( jbicha Still doesn't show up in Install Ubuntu-Gnome still doesn't show up in dash on 64-bit live CD
[17:41] <jbicha> camelinahat: did you use .1 or .2?
[17:41] <camelinahat> .2
[17:41] <jbicha> hmm
[17:42] <jbicha> maybe this is more complicated
[17:42] <camelinahat> Lemme double check again (totally power off the VM, re-download image and try it again).
[17:45] <jbicha> I think it should have worked
[17:45] <jbicha> the testing I did here was to install the new package and ubiquity-gtk
[17:45] <jbicha> after logging out and logging back in, the Install link was at the top of the "Dash"
[17:46] <jbicha> it's possible casper could be doing something weird but I didn't think so
[17:46] <jbicha> check the md5sum of the image
[17:47] <camelinahat> jbicha, No my bad it's there now. my VM must have cached a copy of the old image.
[17:47] <jbicha> yay, thanks for confirming the fix :)
[17:50] <jbicha> camelinahat: it sounds in #ubuntu-release like they'll be pushing a new casper so I don't think they'll be rebuilding the images again later
[17:50] <jbicha> *so I think they will*
[17:52] <camelinahat> lol fun testing moving targets ;)
[17:55] <jbicha> we probably should just link to http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/269/builds and tell people to look for the two Ubuntu GNOME images
[17:59] <camelinahat> Yeah I realized that after the fact as well. But if there is another rebuild coming out, might be best to wait until after that is finished.
[18:00] <jbicha> yes but today's a good day to fix any final high priority bugs
[18:02] <camelinahat> Oh agreed. I've only run into a couple minor things with ubquity I've mentioned before (screen shots, and wording on the install type).
[18:03] <jbicha> updating the screenshots would affect every image and at this point I didn't think it was high enough priority this time
[18:04] <jbicha> same for the inconsistent wording
[18:04] <jbicha> next cycle it would be nice if things said "Ubuntu GNOME" instead of "Ubuntu-GNOME"
[18:05] <camelinahat> Oh definitely minor bugs. And which is the 'official' name? With or without a space?
[18:06] <jbicha> with a space
[18:23] <pavel__> Did you try to install Skype in 13.04?
[18:46] <ugone> good evening sorry for my English but is translated by google translator.
[18:46] <ugone> I would like to ask when and if it will be implemented in gnome miniiso.
[18:46] <ugone> For example http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/quantal/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[18:47] <ugone> if possible the insertion them obviously
[18:52] <jbicha> ugone: no, we do not have plans to add any more images
[18:53] <jbicha> the mini iso is a very minimal command line only install
[18:54] <ugone> true but it is extremely convenient to install with this system
[18:55] <ugone> and on old machines is definitely convenient to install so
[18:56] <ugone> anyway thanks for solving my doubt though I hoped would be implemented in the future
[18:57] <jbicha> perhaps you are talking about an alternate image like the lubuntu team provides?
[18:59] <jbicha> I don't think our project is designed for hardward that is 10 or more years old. Providing an alternate image would require more QA work but not much benefit.
[18:59] <ugone> lol
[19:00] <ugone> Unfortunately, all the machines I use have more than 10 years and in many schools are also older
[19:02] <ugone> often happened that went fallback mode and not gnome shell
[19:03] <jbicha> ok, in your case I would recommend Lubuntu
[19:04] <jbicha> Ubuntu GNOME 13.04 does not include GNOME Fallback by default (although you can install it later)
[19:04] <ugone> I managed to convince a number of people because I could resurrect old computers with Linux but if you have to change and take a new one is very likely to catch him already with windows
[19:05] <ugone> is not a problem to install after fallback (although it would be nice to put gia default) but Lubuntu is not livvello gnome as DE
[19:06] <ugone> Lubuntu is not at the level of gnome as DE
[19:08] <camelinahat> ugone, Unfortunately future versions of Gnome won't have any fallback mode at all
[19:08] <ugone> In fact, and this is a big problem
[19:09] <jbicha> I believe 13.10 will include GNOME and GNOME Classic by default; I think it would be too much to also include GNOME Fallback
[19:13] <ugone> but perhaps you consider that there are many situations in which there are very old machines gnome fallback is a blessing for these
[19:15] <ugone> in addition to all the problem is not even more to fit everything on a cd now that the pictures are about 1 gb
[19:15] <ugone> pictures = iso
[19:19] <camelinahat> ugone, well part of the issue is that I don't believe GNOME themselves support fallback mode any longer (not Just an Ubuntu GNOME decision).  see: http://blogs.gnome.org/mclasen/2012/12/05/gnome-3-7-what-is-happening-now/
[19:20] <camelinahat> Currently the Ubuntu Repositories still have Gnome 3.6 which allows for the fallback mode.
[19:20] <ugone> thanks
[19:30] <atrus> i'm running into zombie processes, children of gnome-shell. anybody else seeing something similar?
[19:31] <atrus> ugone: fwiw, i was running gnome-shell for a while without any 3d acceleration. it was noticably slow, but certainly usable.
[19:32] <atrus> my radeon drivers were broken, so it was reverting to plain-ol-vesa.
[21:11] <Ponch0> Hey guys is there a way I can set up awesome wm with gnome 3.8?
[21:11] <Ponch0> or gals
[21:11] <Ponch0> no need to assume :)
[21:12] <Ponch0> it's my weak upbringing
[21:12] <Ponch0> anyway I'm getting off the subject here.
[21:12] <cmatheson> Ponch0: gnome-shell is a wm, so it won't work with other wms
[21:12] <cmatheson> (it's not just a panel like gnome 2 was)
[21:13] <Ponch0> Hm, their wiki does say I can use it with gnome just not higher than 3.4, or maybe the instructions haven't been updated yet
[21:13] <Ponch0> I see, let me see what google pulls up, my first thought was to come here heheh
[21:13] <Ponch0> thanks cmatheson
[21:14] <cmatheson> np, good luck
[23:01] <jbicha> darkxst: bug 1172062 is a logind regression right?
[23:01] <ubot5> bug 1172062 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "network manager icon does not correctly display status" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1172062
[23:01] <darkxst> jbicha, yes, looks that way, its failing to connect to the user session
[23:22] <jbicha> darkxst: don't use -0ubuntu1+ in the gnome3 ppa version strings since it will sort higher than -0ubuntu1 which may be uploaded to the regular Ubuntu repositories
[23:25] <jbicha> thanks for working on logind, I don't think it's gotten much testing yet (except from pitti)
[23:25] <jbicha> your work will make it smoother when it lands in S
[23:32] <darkxst> oh right, oops. but then we probably don't want it to be superceeded by archive versions
[23:40] <jbicha> it depends on how soon logind lands in S but it's probably not too big of a deal this time as there's likely to be a -0ubuntu2
[23:51] <jbicha> darkxst: I'm thinking we need one more PPA...to build packages for the GNOME3 PPA and make sure they work before pushing them to the main GNOME3 PPA
[23:53] <darkxst> jbicha, yes that could work
[23:53] <darkxst> crap, looks like network manager is confused and still trying to use ck session tracking ;(