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dholbachgood morning06:41
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smartboyhwNoskcaj, hurray! Our teacher is going to teach us Python! (The Testdrive language:P)08:06
Noskcaj:) school python sucks though, my teach spent ten lessons and only taught us print and if08:07
smartboyhwNoskcaj, LOL08:07
smartboyhwBut I don't even know the basic stuff08:07
smartboyhwWe have four choices: C, Python, Java and Pascal, and it was an anonymous vote to Python (that's 16 people :O)08:08
Noskcajif you don't even know the basics, how come you've done more devel stuff than me?08:28
Noskcajsmartboyhw, i assume you will be top of the class because you have experience with python?08:28
smartboyhwNoskcaj, no I have no experience at all08:35
smartboyhwI just know a bit of C, Java and B08:35
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vibhavpitti: FYI, the libHX test has landed into debian: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=70591011:24
ubot5Debian bug 705910 in libhx "libhx: Added DEP-8 tests" [Wishlist,Fixed]11:24
pittivibhav: nice, that was fast11:58
pittiso we'll get it in s with the first autosyncs11:58
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smartboyhwNow: Anyone want to help posting https://noskcaj10.wordpress.com/2013/04/21/making-testdrive-work-pt-1-a-brief-recent-history/ to planet?12:17
* smartboyhw wonders if Noskcaj's claim of him being Xubuntu Testing Head in his blog was false, since he wasn't in the Xubuntu Team LP group.......12:19
smartboyhwOr in the Xubuntu leaders wiki page, IIRC.12:22
smartboyhwIf he really IS appointed we should celebrate:P12:22
smartboyhwHmm balloons is still sick:(13:43
smartboyhwHey SergioMeneses13:57
SergioMenesessmartboyhw, hey!13:57
smartboyhwSergioMeneses, you ever heard of Noskcaj calling himself "head of testing in Xubuntu" !?14:18
xnoxgema: http://www.dhtmlx.com/docs/products/dhtmlxChart/14:33
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* cjwatson respins the world for the (hopefully) fix for bug 108070114:53
ubot5bug 1080701 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Raring) "After 'Preparing to install Ubuntu' screen, raring installation hangs" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/108070114:53
cjwatsonand with any luck that's the last14:54
smartboyhwcjwatson, I do think this cycle is much critical bug-free than the last:)14:54
* smartboyhw sings the song "The world is re-spinning":{14:54
cjwatsonwe hope ...14:57
smartboyhwphillw, you got really quick alternate ISOs:O15:05
smartboyhwBuilt in an extremely fast speed15:05
phillwsmartboyhw: there's less 'meat' on them. the desktop (especially ppc) take about 90 mins!15:07
smartboyhwphillw, :O15:07
phillwcjwatson: just FYI, I've emailed the ubuntu-quality and lubuntu-qa teams to inform them of the re-spin. I'm sure the other quality Team Leaders will let their own flavours know.15:08
cjwatsonalternates are quick to build, indeed, and they don't all queue up on the livefs builders15:10
* phillw loves alterantes :D15:16
smartboyhwphillw, I don't like alternates;P15:17
cjwatsonLubuntu preinstalled failed to build, but it was because my scripts aren't *quite* up to just starting all the builds in parallel15:18
cjwatsonI'll run it again at the end15:18
cjwatsonI think it failed early enough that there'll have been no failure mail or anything though15:19
phillwcjwatson: the ac100?15:27
cjwatsonLubuntu preinstalled, whatever subarches that is15:30
cjwatsonyeah, ac10015:30
phillwokies, we don't actually test that. The 'arm team' look after it as none of us have a test machine :)15:32
smartboyhwphillw: So, how are your testers doing? Happy or?15:49
phillwsmartboyhw: we're looking good :) On what has been tested and reported, with the release notes to be written I am happy to sign off the entire suite :D16:07
Guest92449smartboyhw, still about?16:08
phillwppc is always a pain, but the guys have the bugs well documented now along with work-arounds16:08
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phillwhi balloons hope you're feeling a bit better16:14
balloonsa little.. ugh16:15
balloonswhat a time to be down for the count16:15
phillwbad time to be ill. We're keeping the home fires burning and keeping the mailing list updated with things :)16:15
balloonsI saw that :- ty16:16
smartboyhwballoons hey16:20
balloonssmartboyhw, hello!16:20
smartboyhwSorry for your illness balloons:(16:20
balloonsty.. plars and myself were wondering if you are able to do the cjk input test; http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1316/info.. and actually understand the chinese :-)16:21
phillwballoons: you have taught us well, we are a family and help eachother. If one of us is 'down for the count', the others cover as best they can. :)16:21
smartboyhwballoons: …16:21
balloonsI was very happy to see all of you beating the drum for testing16:22
smartboyhwTmr maybe16:22
smartboyhwOr ask the UbuntuKylin guys!16:22
balloonssmartboyhw, ok.. it only have to be run once16:22
balloonsnot every respin :-)16:22
smartboyhwballoons: Asking for Kylin help:P16:22
balloonsthanks smartboyhw.. and pleasant dreams :-)16:23
plarsI suspect the ubuntukylin guys are going to have their hands full with that, but yes if they have native speakers with a bit of spare time to try it on the Ubuntu isos too, would be great16:23
phillwsmartboyhw: yeah, I've had good interaction with kylin team, they are very committed16:23
smartboyhwphillw: Of course, they have the Chinese government at their backs:P16:23
smartboyhwphillw: And I still haven't revenge for the "blame with a smile" Kubuntu PPC part:P16:25
smartboyhwballoons: The Kylin guys are willing to help!16:29
balloonsexcellent .. did you ask maclin?16:31
smartboyhwballoons: I asked JackYu and ypwong, IIRC16:32
ypwongi got to download the image first16:32
balloonsypwong, thanks for your help.. Running through it once with a native speaker would be helpful for us ;-) We hope the translations are correct too.. let us know if not16:35
smartboyhwballoons: How about Japanese and Korean!?16:35
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smartboyhwballoons: BTW is the quality section of the  community website done balloons?16:36
balloonssmartboyhw, know any Japanese? It would be nice to get native speakers of all of the, but the big deal behind the testcase is to test the pinyin support and input support for non-western languages16:37
balloonssmartboyhw, ahh yes.. we all worked on it awhile ago.. need to make sure it's ready to go in16:37
smartboyhwballoons: Look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityWebsite and I'm on top of you:P16:37
ypwongballoons, probably can't test tonight though as download takes time and it's quite late here16:37
balloonsypwong, of course! no worries. Sometime tomorrow works great!16:38
ypwongI can read some japanese but never learnt to type16:38
balloonssmartboyhw, http://pad.ubuntu.com/communitywebsite-contribute-quality16:38
smartboyhwballoons: Read. It's OK16:38
smartboyhwSergioMeneses, meet the recovered balloons!16:43
SergioMenesessmartboyhw, what do you mean?16:44
SergioMenesesballoons, ↑↑↑16:44
balloonsSergioMeneses, lol.. i've been sick16:45
smartboyhwSergioMeneses: You clearly didn't read backlogs of #ubuntu-community-team16:45
smartboyhwballoons: Hmm weird noskcaj10.wordpress.com (Noskcaj's blog) claims he is the head of testing of Xubuntu, while both the wiki and LP indicates he isn't :O16:47
phillwballoons: I know a japanese reader / writer. He's the head of lubuntu-artwork. What would you like him to review?16:47
SergioMenesesno, I dont =/16:47
SergioMenesesbut I'm glad for balloons :)16:47
smartboyhwphillw: Rafael Laguna right?16:48
smartboyhwHmm I almodt thought his name was Chinese16:48
smartboyhwStrange name in Japanese....16:48
phillwsmartboyhw: All I know is that he was 'bored' and learned Japanese.16:49
smartboyhwphillw: :O …16:49
balloonsphillw, having him look at the testcase is never a bad idea.. i think the Japanese part of the testcase is the only one fully translated :-)16:50
phillwthese art people are... well. art people and their brains are connected a bit different to us testers and coders :D16:50
smartboyhwphillw: LOL :D16:50
balloonswe need them16:51
phillwoh, indeed. He's a fantastic guy and can convert the lubuntu art work to different layouts in minutes.16:52
smartboyhwballoons, phillw: Our computer teacher is going to teach Python! :) Finally I can REALLY hack on Testdrive:P16:52
balloonssmartboyhw, exciting!16:52
SergioMenesessmartboyhw, awesome :D16:53
phillwsmartboyhw: there are some excellent on-line tutorials for python, I'll try and dig them up for you.16:53
balloonsweird.. seems like gnumeric has more bugs :-916:53
balloonsphillw, btw, how did the presentation go/16:53
balloonswe got the weekend and dates right finally eh?16:53
SergioMenesesI hate Karma!!!16:54
smartboyhwphillw: Noskcaj is making Lubuntu a default tab in testdrive-gtk16:54
smartboyhwSergioMeneses: Why?16:54
phillwballoons: It went well. pleasant presentation and interested people asking good questions. We have a small set of new testers :D16:54
smartboyhwballoons: ^ and I added UbuntuKylin into testdrive! Both of us are waiting for merging though16:55
ubot5Error: launchpad bug 1171584 not found16:55
balloonsbah, private bug16:55
SergioMenesessmartboyhw, it always low16:56
* smartboyhw laughs at balloons16:56
SergioMenesessmartboyhw, take a look bug 109480416:58
ubot5bug 1094804 in testdrive (Ubuntu) "iso's from outside testdrive always open in QEMU" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/109480416:58
smartboyhwuh huh16:59
balloonsso there's a couple kubuntu interesting bugs dealing with it not confirming entered data properly17:00
SergioMenesesballoons, do you have the link?17:03
balloonsprivate ;-(17:03
smartboyhwballoons: Why is that bug private?17:04
balloonsit seems that kubuntu doesn't confirm password matching for encryption17:04
balloonswell.. so the bug claims :-)17:04
smartboyhwballoons: Da fuq?17:04
balloonsno idea why it's private17:04
* smartboyhw goes and find Riddell17:05
balloonslol.. it's worth confirming first17:05
balloonsI'm syncing the kubuntu iso17:05
SergioMenesesballoons, =/17:06
ypwongballoons, looks like the test case needs some minor updates, e.g. there's no "(I)" in  "安装 FAMILY (I)" for simp. chinese, and "우분투 설치" now showing ""Ubuntu 설치" for korean.17:16
balloonsypwong, ok..  a merge proposal to update the test would be amazing if you can do it. If not, just a list of what needs changed will also work, and i can get it done17:20
ypwongballoons, yup, let me see if there are any serious issues17:21
phillwballoons: in my humble opinion, as the speakers of this language are in different time zones, maybe set up a 'chat' on an email?17:21
balloonsypwong, the merge proposal would go here if you want to go that route.. https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/17:35
balloonsOtherwise, let me know.. and thank you!17:35
ypwongballoons, thanks, I will try that tomorrow17:35
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Letozafballoons, Hi19:22
balloonsLetozaf, hello..19:23
Letozafballoons, got a question, can I ask you :)19:23
balloonsLetozaf, sure thing19:24
Letozafballoons, I have a bug that always occurred while testing ARM images, but now the problem has gone, not there anymore, I  do not know what to mark the bug, I mean its not invalid (at least I do not think so) and it is also not "fixed released"  ... what should I mark it?19:26
Letozafballoons, nothing seems to fit19:26
balloonswhich bug? is it/was it the graphics issue?19:28
balloonsisn't it fixed released?19:29
Letozafno its bug 109912219:29
ubot5bug 1099122 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "unable to enter timezone city in input field during install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/109912219:29
Letozafballoons, it always used to happen and now it been fixed, maybe this is a dupe of some other bug, but I do not want to leave it open19:30
balloonsLetozaf, weird19:41
balloonsI would possibly mark it invalid or fix released depending..19:42
balloonsmight want to ask on #ubuntu-bugs19:43
balloonsnormally I would go fix-released.. but if you don't think anything changed/was fixed, then ..19:43
Letozafballoons, I'm not sure, I mean maybe fixing something else fixed this, but I don't know :p19:44
Letozafballoons, so maybe I should ask #ubuntu-bugs19:44
Letozafballoons, it use to happen, so it's not invalid....19:45
balloonsyes, ask the bug experts :-)19:46
Letozafballoons, ok thanks19:47
balloonsLetozaf, so how are you? How have you been?19:48
Letozafballoons, well had a bad couple of weeks, some private problems to sort out, hope I have finished with them now :)19:50
Letozafballoons, what about you ?19:50
balloonsgetting over being sick :-)19:50
Letozafballoons, oh so we've been both knocked out :D19:51
Letozafballoons, hope you're feeling better now19:51
balloons:-) indeed19:53
balloonsI'm getting better.. I still feel pretty meh19:53
Letozafballoons, oh sorry about that, but slowly you will feel better I'm sure, we are going towards spring now and spring alway brings joy19:54
Letozafballoons, and makes you feel like going out and feel well19:55
plarsxnox: installing with ecryptfs home now gives you an encrypted swap partition, is that right? I didn't remember that being the case in the past19:55
Letozafballoons, well actually you have better weather than in Italy, so maybe it's been good weather for long now19:56
plarsxnox: I'm testing reinstall when you already have an account with ecryptfs (to preserve your user, home), and it complained that I didn't have swap when I tried to go to the next step.19:56
plarsI don't recall ever giving it a password for swap encrypted partition though19:57
balloonsplars, ohh interesting, let me try19:58
balloonsI *think* I have an old ecryptfs install19:58
plarsballoons: it *does* let me continue without it, but I suspect I'll be left with no valid swapspace after I reboot20:16
plarscontinuing through it now20:16
plarshttp://launchpad.net/bugs/1172002 is the bug20:16
ubot5Launchpad bug 1172002 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Install doesn't mount encrypted swap for reinstall" [Undecided,New]20:16
balloonsplars, well.. I tried and it doesn't even see my instal..20:16
plarsballoons: were you using encrypted partitions? or ecryptfs home?20:17
balloonsencrypted partition20:17
plarsballoons: ah, that's different20:17
balloonsI didn't have just an encrypted home20:17
plarsballoons: Unless they improved things, I believe that was unsupported for reinstall20:17
balloonsso I thought I'd try it anyway and see :-)20:17
balloonsindeed.. my guess is it will work if I boot up to live session, unlock it, then run the installer20:18
plarsballoons: I'm fairly certain that reinstalling with encrypted home used to work though, in fact didn't you have some stuff about testing it before?20:18
balloonsok, on the encrypted tests, let's see20:20
plarsballoons: right, so reinstalling with ecryptfs still works ok, I can still get at my files (that's always good to not have to recover :)20:21
plarsbut I have no swap20:21
balloonsso first, I'll check on your encrypted swap partition20:21
balloonsdoing ecryptfs install now.. by default the entire disk install makes a swap partiton20:21
plarsballoons: yes20:22
balloonsplars, sorry.. so ecryptfs.. it installed a cryptswapfs.. it didn't pick it up for re-install20:52
balloonsI agree though, it seems weird, like we're missing the encrypt home functionality20:53
balloonsI had thought it would be in 'other' features, but it's not20:53
balloonswe might need to add a second testcase for this bit of encryption20:54
balloonsplars, though basically ubiquity can't unlock any partition during installation. So since the swap partition (like my encrypted partition) can't be read.. I'm guessing again if you unlock it first, it might pick it up and use it20:55
phillwballoons: plars <rant> you are both nit-picking now? If you encrypt any part of your system, you are going to have grief. If you go down that route then you would be expected to understand how to handle it. We write test cases, not instruction manuals /<end rant>20:59
Noskcajballoons, where have you been hiding for the last few days?21:03
phillwNoskcaj: he's got 'flu21:03
Noskcajok, i thought he'd just ran away at release time21:04
SergioMeneseshi everybody!21:04
balloonsNoskcaj, lol21:04
balloonsyes, I've been under the weather as they say21:04
balloonsNoskcaj, can you do me a favor?21:04
Noskcajyeah, what?21:05
balloonsif you start up the kubuntu installer and enter a password for encryption, does it verify it?21:05
balloonsin other words, type two different passwords.. see if it lets you continue or not21:05
Noskcajok, i will when it's finished rebuilding and my xubuntu install is over21:06
balloonsNoskcaj, ty ;-)21:06
balloonsSergioMeneses, howdy21:06
plarsphillw: I don't think this is nitpicking really, iirc this used to work from quantal, but I'd have to go back and check. If so, it's a regression. I think it's a pretty reasonable thing for a person to have installed a previous release with ecrypted home, and want to upgrade while preserving their home. We've said it works in the past21:10
plarsbut if it turns out that quantal did not do encrypted swap when selecting encrypted home, then it could possibly be release noted for anyone doing raring->raring reinstall, and fixed for S21:11
Noskcajballoons, Have you seen the email for a testdrive hackfest/devel hangout?21:11
balloonsindeed.. encrypted home is an option in the gui installer.. as such, it should work well21:11
balloonsNoskcaj, I did.. did you guys get a time picked out?21:12
Noskcajballoons, no. dustin's proposed time has 2am for me, so nothing yet21:13
Noskcajand i've not heard from andreas or him since21:13
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phillwplars: "me is hands up" on this, I just do not know them, and have had the answer "oh, we dropped that ages ago".21:14
balloonsNoskcaj, SergioMeneses, phillw I'm wondering if we want to plan something after this week instead of right after release21:16
* SergioMeneses is back21:17
SergioMenesesballoons, something like what?21:17
Noskcajballoons, sounds good. i have my membership application on the 2nd but other than that only school and sport stops me21:17
balloonsSorry, I'm speaking about the release hangout idea21:18
balloonssince I've been sick, and it never got annouced (just the idea), I'm wondering about postponing it a bit21:18
SergioMenesesballoons, sounds good but I dont know if I could be part of it21:19
Noskcajballoons, sounds good then.21:20
balloonsSergioMeneses, the idea would be to make sure everyone can be a part of it obviously :-021:20
balloonsI think that might be easier if we don't do it this week21:20
SergioMenesesballoons, it is a great idea!21:20
balloonsCarla for instance couldn't make it along with some others.. anyways, so Noskcaj, yea, don't worry about coordinating with the release hangout21:20
Noskcajballoons, i've got holidays till wednesday, after then i'm busy every day except sunday21:21
balloonsdo your own thing :)21:21
balloonsI'm going to be traveling as well for a few weeks, so, I'm talking sometime in may21:21
balloonsheh, probably after uds21:21
* SergioMeneses birthday is in May21:23
phillwlife would be easier without re-spins this late... But, meh, if they have to happen, they happen....21:24
balloonsSergioMeneses, happy early birthday21:27
balloonsI'm in June21:27
balloonscelebrate summer! it's already here for me21:27
SergioMenesesballoons, thanks! btw I'm updating totem testcase21:29
balloonsohh.. brillant!21:31
balloonsit was stripped to nothingness this cycle :-)21:31
SergioMenesesballoons, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~sergiomeneses/ubuntu-manual-tests/totem-testcase/revision/89?start_revid=8921:31
balloonsbecause things changed21:31
SergioMenesesballoons, it was too short21:32
balloonsyea.. literally like the entire test was deleted21:35
balloonsit was all using the youtube plugin at the time21:35
balloonsthen the plugin was dropped21:35
SergioMenesesballoons, merged! take a look when you have time enough21:37
balloonsSergioMeneses, looking now21:58
SergioMenesesballoons, great!, I'm writing some emails =/21:58
balloonsyour testcase is merged and live on the tracker :-)22:04
balloonsall while my install was running22:05
balloonsnot bad22:05
phillwballoons: whilst not really important to you, we may have ppc iso's at cd size :D22:07
SergioMenesesballoons, nice!22:10
Noskcajballoons, just got into kubuntu,  it's let me run two different encryption passwords22:24
balloonsNoskcaj, ah-ha!22:24
balloonsthat's a real issue22:24
balloonscan you file a nice bug via ubuntu-bug and then link me22:25
Noskcajoh yeah, do you know if it happens in normal ubiquity22:25
balloonswe need xnox et la to have a look22:25
Noskcajwill do, how do i access the terminal in the installer?22:25
balloonsNoskcaj, it shouldn't.. lol.. i was just doing those installs.. bah22:25
balloonsI didn't try22:25
Noskcajwhen i get around to testing lubuntu i'll check22:26
balloonsumm.. you can file it afterwards22:27
balloonshe may want to run a debug ubiquity session, but I doubt it22:28
balloonshe'll probably be able to re-crate22:28
Noskcaji'm restarting the install so i can report the bug22:30
balloonsty Noskcaj22:31
balloonsmake sure it doesn't go private ;-)22:31
phillwballoons: is this an upgade issue? e.g 12.10 --> 13.04?22:36
balloonsphillw, ?22:37
phillwballoons: I don't think this is nitpicking really, iirc this used to work from quantal, but I'd have to go back and check. If so, it's a regression. I think it's a pretty reasonable thing for a person to have installed a previous release with ecrypted home, and want to upgrade while preserving their home. We've said it works in the past22:42
phillwI thought you were chsing it.22:42
Noskcajballoons, bug 1172059. please improve22:44
ubot5bug 1172059 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity encryption doesn't check password" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117205922:44
phillwballoons: I can install older machines with encyrytion and try a series upgrade.22:45
phillwBut for now.... bed time!22:45
SergioMenesesot: balloons phillw take a look https://sergioandresmeneses.wordpress.com/2013/04/23/ubucon-latinamerica-2013-will-be-in-uruguay/22:59
SergioMenesesnext year will be in Colombia, you have to come22:59
Noskcajwhy is 13.04 so buggy?23:08
SergioMenesesNoskcaj, I dont think so I'm using 13.0423:10
NoskcajSergioMeneses, i'm averaging 4 bugs per installer run.23:10
SergioMenesesI updated23:11
Noskcajballoons, just checked, the bug is kubuntu only23:13
phillwSergioMeneses i JUST WATHCE23:14
phillwSergioMeneses I just watched Marks' intoduction to the last one. I'm sure you will have a great time23:15
SergioMenesesphillw, I hope so23:17
phillwNoskcaj: when you go looking for bugs, you will find them. If not for testers, a new release will be full of them. And that, my friend, is why we have  a testing team and 'nag' people to help.23:18
plarshttp://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1445/info seems a bit incomplete, is it intinded to test something that the other two iscsi tests don't?23:22
SergioMenesesplars, that is the first test with images that I saw23:27
plarsSergioMeneses: I'm not sure I can decipher what it's telling me to do23:28
plarsit seems incomplete23:28
SergioMenesesplars, report it like a bug23:29
smartboyhwNoskcaj, balloons: That Kubuntu encrpytion bug will be a SRU I thinj23:48
smartboyhwHmm, rather not.23:49
smartboyhwNoskcaj: Since when you dare to call yourself "head of testing in Xubuntu"?23:51
Noskcajsmartboyhw, since i was put on trial for the possition in february23:52
Noskcajelfy and i will share the position for S cycle23:52
smartboyhwNoskcaj… OK.23:52
Noskcajsmartboyhw, do you have the kubuntu i686 image? if so could you confirm the bug affects it?23:56

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