=== salem_ is now known as _salem [06:41] good morning === brendand_ is now known as brendand [08:06] Noskcaj, hurray! Our teacher is going to teach us Python! (The Testdrive language:P) [08:07] :) school python sucks though, my teach spent ten lessons and only taught us print and if [08:07] Noskcaj, LOL [08:07] But I don't even know the basic stuff [08:08] We have four choices: C, Python, Java and Pascal, and it was an anonymous vote to Python (that's 16 people :O) [08:28] if you don't even know the basics, how come you've done more devel stuff than me? [08:28] smartboyhw, i assume you will be top of the class because you have experience with python? [08:35] Noskcaj, no I have no experience at all [08:35] I just know a bit of C, Java and B [08:35] s/B/VB/ === ara is now known as Guest91539 [11:24] pitti: FYI, the libHX test has landed into debian: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=705910 [11:24] Debian bug 705910 in libhx "libhx: Added DEP-8 tests" [Wishlist,Fixed] [11:58] vibhav: nice, that was fast [11:58] indeed [11:58] so we'll get it in s with the first autosyncs [11:58] Yeah === _salem is now known as salem_ [12:17] Now: Anyone want to help posting https://noskcaj10.wordpress.com/2013/04/21/making-testdrive-work-pt-1-a-brief-recent-history/ to planet? [12:19] * smartboyhw wonders if Noskcaj's claim of him being Xubuntu Testing Head in his blog was false, since he wasn't in the Xubuntu Team LP group....... [12:22] Or in the Xubuntu leaders wiki page, IIRC. [12:22] If he really IS appointed we should celebrate:P [13:43] Hmm balloons is still sick:( [13:57] Hey SergioMeneses [13:57] smartboyhw, hey! [14:18] SergioMeneses, you ever heard of Noskcaj calling himself "head of testing in Xubuntu" !? [14:33] gema: http://www.dhtmlx.com/docs/products/dhtmlxChart/ === chuck__ is now known as zul [14:53] * cjwatson respins the world for the (hopefully) fix for bug 1080701 [14:53] bug 1080701 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Raring) "After 'Preparing to install Ubuntu' screen, raring installation hangs" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1080701 [14:54] and with any luck that's the last [14:54] cjwatson, I do think this cycle is much critical bug-free than the last:) [14:54] * smartboyhw sings the song "The world is re-spinning":{ [14:57] we hope ... [15:05] phillw, you got really quick alternate ISOs:O [15:05] Built in an extremely fast speed [15:07] smartboyhw: there's less 'meat' on them. the desktop (especially ppc) take about 90 mins! [15:07] phillw, :O [15:08] cjwatson: just FYI, I've emailed the ubuntu-quality and lubuntu-qa teams to inform them of the re-spin. I'm sure the other quality Team Leaders will let their own flavours know. [15:10] ok [15:10] alternates are quick to build, indeed, and they don't all queue up on the livefs builders [15:16] * phillw loves alterantes :D [15:17] phillw, I don't like alternates;P [15:18] Lubuntu preinstalled failed to build, but it was because my scripts aren't *quite* up to just starting all the builds in parallel [15:18] I'll run it again at the end [15:19] I think it failed early enough that there'll have been no failure mail or anything though [15:27] cjwatson: the ac100? [15:30] Lubuntu preinstalled, whatever subarches that is [15:30] yeah, ac100 [15:32] okies, we don't actually test that. The 'arm team' look after it as none of us have a test machine :) [15:49] phillw: So, how are your testers doing? Happy or? [16:07] smartboyhw: we're looking good :) On what has been tested and reported, with the release notes to be written I am happy to sign off the entire suite :D [16:08] smartboyhw, still about? [16:08] ppc is always a pain, but the guys have the bugs well documented now along with work-arounds === Guest92449 is now known as balloons [16:14] hi balloons hope you're feeling a bit better [16:15] a little.. ugh [16:15] what a time to be down for the count [16:15] bad time to be ill. We're keeping the home fires burning and keeping the mailing list updated with things :) [16:16] I saw that :- ty [16:20] balloons hey [16:20] smartboyhw, hello! [16:20] Sorry for your illness balloons:( [16:21] ty.. plars and myself were wondering if you are able to do the cjk input test; http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1316/info.. and actually understand the chinese :-) [16:21] balloons: you have taught us well, we are a family and help eachother. If one of us is 'down for the count', the others cover as best they can. :) [16:21] balloons: … [16:22] I was very happy to see all of you beating the drum for testing [16:22] Tmr maybe [16:22] Or ask the UbuntuKylin guys! [16:22] smartboyhw, ok.. it only have to be run once [16:22] not every respin :-) [16:22] balloons: Asking for Kylin help:P [16:23] thanks smartboyhw.. and pleasant dreams :-) [16:23] I suspect the ubuntukylin guys are going to have their hands full with that, but yes if they have native speakers with a bit of spare time to try it on the Ubuntu isos too, would be great [16:23] smartboyhw: yeah, I've had good interaction with kylin team, they are very committed [16:23] phillw: Of course, they have the Chinese government at their backs:P [16:25] phillw: And I still haven't revenge for the "blame with a smile" Kubuntu PPC part:P [16:29] balloons: The Kylin guys are willing to help! [16:31] excellent .. did you ask maclin? [16:32] balloons: I asked JackYu and ypwong, IIRC [16:32] kk [16:32] i got to download the image first [16:35] ypwong, thanks for your help.. Running through it once with a native speaker would be helpful for us ;-) We hope the translations are correct too.. let us know if not [16:35] balloons: How about Japanese and Korean!? === nagappan_ is now known as nagappan [16:36] balloons: BTW is the quality section of the community website done balloons? [16:37] smartboyhw, know any Japanese? It would be nice to get native speakers of all of the, but the big deal behind the testcase is to test the pinyin support and input support for non-western languages [16:37] smartboyhw, ahh yes.. we all worked on it awhile ago.. need to make sure it's ready to go in [16:37] balloons: Look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityWebsite and I'm on top of you:P [16:37] balloons, probably can't test tonight though as download takes time and it's quite late here [16:38] ypwong, of course! no worries. Sometime tomorrow works great! [16:38] I can read some japanese but never learnt to type [16:38] smartboyhw, http://pad.ubuntu.com/communitywebsite-contribute-quality [16:38] balloons: Read. It's OK [16:43] SergioMeneses, meet the recovered balloons! [16:44] smartboyhw, what do you mean? [16:44] balloons, ↑↑↑ [16:45] SergioMeneses, lol.. i've been sick [16:45] SergioMeneses: You clearly didn't read backlogs of #ubuntu-community-team [16:47] balloons: Hmm weird noskcaj10.wordpress.com (Noskcaj's blog) claims he is the head of testing of Xubuntu, while both the wiki and LP indicates he isn't :O [16:47] balloons: I know a japanese reader / writer. He's the head of lubuntu-artwork. What would you like him to review? [16:47] no, I dont =/ [16:47] but I'm glad for balloons :) [16:48] phillw: Rafael Laguna right? [16:48] Hmm I almodt thought his name was Chinese [16:48] Strange name in Japanese.... [16:49] smartboyhw: All I know is that he was 'bored' and learned Japanese. [16:49] phillw: :O … [16:50] phillw, having him look at the testcase is never a bad idea.. i think the Japanese part of the testcase is the only one fully translated :-) [16:50] these art people are... well. art people and their brains are connected a bit different to us testers and coders :D [16:50] phillw: LOL :D [16:51] lol [16:51] we need them [16:52] oh, indeed. He's a fantastic guy and can convert the lubuntu art work to different layouts in minutes. [16:52] balloons, phillw: Our computer teacher is going to teach Python! :) Finally I can REALLY hack on Testdrive:P [16:52] smartboyhw, exciting! [16:53] smartboyhw, awesome :D [16:53] smartboyhw: there are some excellent on-line tutorials for python, I'll try and dig them up for you. [16:53] weird.. seems like gnumeric has more bugs :-9 [16:53] phillw, btw, how did the presentation go/ [16:53] ..... [16:53] we got the weekend and dates right finally eh? [16:54] I hate Karma!!! [16:54] phillw: Noskcaj is making Lubuntu a default tab in testdrive-gtk [16:54] SergioMeneses: Why? [16:54] balloons: It went well. pleasant presentation and interested people asking good questions. We have a small set of new testers :D [16:55] balloons: ^ and I added UbuntuKylin into testdrive! Both of us are waiting for merging though [16:55] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bug/1171584 [16:55] Error: launchpad bug 1171584 not found [16:55] lol [16:55] bah, private bug [16:56] smartboyhw, it always low [16:56] * smartboyhw laughs at balloons [16:58] smartboyhw, take a look bug 1094804 [16:58] bug 1094804 in testdrive (Ubuntu) "iso's from outside testdrive always open in QEMU" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1094804 [16:59] uh huh [17:00] so there's a couple kubuntu interesting bugs dealing with it not confirming entered data properly [17:03] balloons, do you have the link? [17:03] private ;-( [17:04] balloons: Why is that bug private? [17:04] it seems that kubuntu doesn't confirm password matching for encryption [17:04] well.. so the bug claims :-) [17:04] balloons: Da fuq? [17:04] no idea why it's private [17:05] * smartboyhw goes and find Riddell [17:05] lol.. it's worth confirming first [17:05] I'm syncing the kubuntu iso [17:06] balloons, =/ [17:16] balloons, looks like the test case needs some minor updates, e.g. there's no "(I)" in "安装 FAMILY (I)" for simp. chinese, and "우분투 설치" now showing ""Ubuntu 설치" for korean. [17:17] Whoa! [17:20] ypwong, ok.. a merge proposal to update the test would be amazing if you can do it. If not, just a list of what needs changed will also work, and i can get it done [17:21] balloons, yup, let me see if there are any serious issues [17:21] balloons: in my humble opinion, as the speakers of this language are in different time zones, maybe set up a 'chat' on an email? [17:35] ypwong, the merge proposal would go here if you want to go that route.. https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/ [17:35] Otherwise, let me know.. and thank you! [17:35] balloons, thanks, I will try that tomorrow === salem_ is now known as _salem === _salem is now known as salem_ [19:22] balloons, Hi [19:23] Letozaf, hello.. [19:23] balloons, got a question, can I ask you :) [19:24] Letozaf, sure thing [19:26] balloons, I have a bug that always occurred while testing ARM images, but now the problem has gone, not there anymore, I do not know what to mark the bug, I mean its not invalid (at least I do not think so) and it is also not "fixed released" ... what should I mark it? [19:26] balloons, nothing seems to fit [19:28] which bug? is it/was it the graphics issue? [19:29] isn't it fixed released? [19:29] no its bug 1099122 [19:29] bug 1099122 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "unable to enter timezone city in input field during install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1099122 [19:30] balloons, it always used to happen and now it been fixed, maybe this is a dupe of some other bug, but I do not want to leave it open [19:41] Letozaf, weird [19:42] I would possibly mark it invalid or fix released depending.. [19:43] might want to ask on #ubuntu-bugs [19:43] normally I would go fix-released.. but if you don't think anything changed/was fixed, then .. [19:44] balloons, I'm not sure, I mean maybe fixing something else fixed this, but I don't know :p [19:44] balloons, so maybe I should ask #ubuntu-bugs [19:45] balloons, it use to happen, so it's not invalid.... [19:46] yes, ask the bug experts :-) [19:47] balloons, ok thanks [19:48] Letozaf, so how are you? How have you been? [19:50] balloons, well had a bad couple of weeks, some private problems to sort out, hope I have finished with them now :) [19:50] balloons, what about you ? [19:50] getting over being sick :-) [19:51] balloons, oh so we've been both knocked out :D [19:51] balloons, hope you're feeling better now [19:53] :-) indeed [19:53] I'm getting better.. I still feel pretty meh [19:54] balloons, oh sorry about that, but slowly you will feel better I'm sure, we are going towards spring now and spring alway brings joy [19:55] balloons, and makes you feel like going out and feel well [19:55] xnox: installing with ecryptfs home now gives you an encrypted swap partition, is that right? I didn't remember that being the case in the past [19:56] balloons, well actually you have better weather than in Italy, so maybe it's been good weather for long now [19:56] xnox: I'm testing reinstall when you already have an account with ecryptfs (to preserve your user, home), and it complained that I didn't have swap when I tried to go to the next step. [19:57] I don't recall ever giving it a password for swap encrypted partition though [19:58] plars, ohh interesting, let me try [19:58] I *think* I have an old ecryptfs install [20:16] balloons: it *does* let me continue without it, but I suspect I'll be left with no valid swapspace after I reboot [20:16] continuing through it now [20:16] http://launchpad.net/bugs/1172002 is the bug [20:16] Launchpad bug 1172002 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Install doesn't mount encrypted swap for reinstall" [Undecided,New] [20:16] plars, well.. I tried and it doesn't even see my instal.. [20:16] so... [20:17] balloons: were you using encrypted partitions? or ecryptfs home? [20:17] encrypted partition [20:17] balloons: ah, that's different [20:17] yes [20:17] I didn't have just an encrypted home [20:17] balloons: Unless they improved things, I believe that was unsupported for reinstall [20:17] so I thought I'd try it anyway and see :-) [20:18] indeed.. my guess is it will work if I boot up to live session, unlock it, then run the installer [20:18] balloons: I'm fairly certain that reinstalling with encrypted home used to work though, in fact didn't you have some stuff about testing it before? [20:20] ok, on the encrypted tests, let's see [20:21] balloons: right, so reinstalling with ecryptfs still works ok, I can still get at my files (that's always good to not have to recover :) [20:21] but I have no swap [20:21] so first, I'll check on your encrypted swap partition [20:21] doing ecryptfs install now.. by default the entire disk install makes a swap partiton [20:22] balloons: yes [20:52] plars, sorry.. so ecryptfs.. it installed a cryptswapfs.. it didn't pick it up for re-install [20:53] I agree though, it seems weird, like we're missing the encrypt home functionality [20:53] I had thought it would be in 'other' features, but it's not [20:54] we might need to add a second testcase for this bit of encryption [20:55] plars, though basically ubiquity can't unlock any partition during installation. So since the swap partition (like my encrypted partition) can't be read.. I'm guessing again if you unlock it first, it might pick it up and use it [20:59] balloons: plars you are both nit-picking now? If you encrypt any part of your system, you are going to have grief. If you go down that route then you would be expected to understand how to handle it. We write test cases, not instruction manuals / [21:03] balloons, where have you been hiding for the last few days? [21:03] Noskcaj: he's got 'flu [21:04] ok, i thought he'd just ran away at release time [21:04] hi everybody! [21:04] Noskcaj, lol [21:04] yes, I've been under the weather as they say [21:04] Noskcaj, can you do me a favor? [21:05] yeah, what? [21:05] if you start up the kubuntu installer and enter a password for encryption, does it verify it? [21:05] in other words, type two different passwords.. see if it lets you continue or not [21:06] ok, i will when it's finished rebuilding and my xubuntu install is over [21:06] Noskcaj, ty ;-) [21:06] SergioMeneses, howdy [21:10] phillw: I don't think this is nitpicking really, iirc this used to work from quantal, but I'd have to go back and check. If so, it's a regression. I think it's a pretty reasonable thing for a person to have installed a previous release with ecrypted home, and want to upgrade while preserving their home. We've said it works in the past [21:11] but if it turns out that quantal did not do encrypted swap when selecting encrypted home, then it could possibly be release noted for anyone doing raring->raring reinstall, and fixed for S [21:11] balloons, Have you seen the email for a testdrive hackfest/devel hangout? [21:11] indeed.. encrypted home is an option in the gui installer.. as such, it should work well [21:12] Noskcaj, I did.. did you guys get a time picked out? [21:13] balloons, no. dustin's proposed time has 2am for me, so nothing yet [21:13] and i've not heard from andreas or him since === salem_ is now known as _salem [21:14] plars: "me is hands up" on this, I just do not know them, and have had the answer "oh, we dropped that ages ago". [21:16] Noskcaj, SergioMeneses, phillw I'm wondering if we want to plan something after this week instead of right after release [21:17] * SergioMeneses is back [21:17] balloons, something like what? [21:17] balloons, sounds good. i have my membership application on the 2nd but other than that only school and sport stops me [21:18] O [21:18] Sorry, I'm speaking about the release hangout idea [21:18] since I've been sick, and it never got annouced (just the idea), I'm wondering about postponing it a bit [21:19] balloons, sounds good but I dont know if I could be part of it [21:20] balloons, sounds good then. [21:20] SergioMeneses, the idea would be to make sure everyone can be a part of it obviously :-0 [21:20] I think that might be easier if we don't do it this week [21:20] balloons, it is a great idea! [21:20] Carla for instance couldn't make it along with some others.. anyways, so Noskcaj, yea, don't worry about coordinating with the release hangout [21:21] balloons, i've got holidays till wednesday, after then i'm busy every day except sunday [21:21] do your own thing :) [21:21] I'm going to be traveling as well for a few weeks, so, I'm talking sometime in may [21:21] heh, probably after uds [21:23] * SergioMeneses birthday is in May [21:24] life would be easier without re-spins this late... But, meh, if they have to happen, they happen.... [21:27] SergioMeneses, happy early birthday [21:27] I'm in June [21:27] celebrate summer! it's already here for me [21:29] balloons, thanks! btw I'm updating totem testcase [21:31] ohh.. brillant! [21:31] it was stripped to nothingness this cycle :-) [21:31] balloons, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~sergiomeneses/ubuntu-manual-tests/totem-testcase/revision/89?start_revid=89 [21:31] because things changed [21:32] balloons, it was too short [21:35] yea.. literally like the entire test was deleted [21:35] it was all using the youtube plugin at the time [21:35] then the plugin was dropped [21:37] balloons, merged! take a look when you have time enough [21:58] SergioMeneses, looking now [21:58] balloons, great!, I'm writing some emails =/ [22:04] your testcase is merged and live on the tracker :-) [22:05] all while my install was running [22:05] not bad [22:07] balloons: whilst not really important to you, we may have ppc iso's at cd size :D [22:10] balloons, nice! [22:24] balloons, just got into kubuntu, it's let me run two different encryption passwords [22:24] Noskcaj, ah-ha! [22:24] that's a real issue [22:25] can you file a nice bug via ubuntu-bug and then link me [22:25] oh yeah, do you know if it happens in normal ubiquity [22:25] we need xnox et la to have a look [22:25] will do, how do i access the terminal in the installer? [22:25] Noskcaj, it shouldn't.. lol.. i was just doing those installs.. bah [22:25] I didn't try [22:26] when i get around to testing lubuntu i'll check [22:27] kk [22:27] umm.. you can file it afterwards [22:28] he may want to run a debug ubiquity session, but I doubt it [22:28] he'll probably be able to re-crate [22:30] i'm restarting the install so i can report the bug [22:31] ty Noskcaj [22:31] make sure it doesn't go private ;-) [22:36] balloons: is this an upgade issue? e.g 12.10 --> 13.04? [22:37] phillw, ? [22:38] me [22:42] balloons: I don't think this is nitpicking really, iirc this used to work from quantal, but I'd have to go back and check. If so, it's a regression. I think it's a pretty reasonable thing for a person to have installed a previous release with ecrypted home, and want to upgrade while preserving their home. We've said it works in the past [22:42] I thought you were chsing it. [22:44] balloons, bug 1172059. please improve [22:44] bug 1172059 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity encryption doesn't check password" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1172059 [22:45] balloons: I can install older machines with encyrytion and try a series upgrade. [22:45] But for now.... bed time! [22:59] ot: balloons phillw take a look https://sergioandresmeneses.wordpress.com/2013/04/23/ubucon-latinamerica-2013-will-be-in-uruguay/ [22:59] next year will be in Colombia, you have to come [23:08] why is 13.04 so buggy? [23:10] Noskcaj, I dont think so I'm using 13.04 [23:10] SergioMeneses, i'm averaging 4 bugs per installer run. [23:11] I updated [23:13] balloons, just checked, the bug is kubuntu only [23:14] SergioMeneses i JUST WATHCE [23:15] SergioMeneses I just watched Marks' intoduction to the last one. I'm sure you will have a great time [23:17] phillw, I hope so [23:17] jejeje [23:18] Noskcaj: when you go looking for bugs, you will find them. If not for testers, a new release will be full of them. And that, my friend, is why we have a testing team and 'nag' people to help. [23:22] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1445/info seems a bit incomplete, is it intinded to test something that the other two iscsi tests don't? [23:27] plars, that is the first test with images that I saw [23:28] SergioMeneses: I'm not sure I can decipher what it's telling me to do [23:28] it seems incomplete [23:29] plars, report it like a bug [23:48] Noskcaj, balloons: That Kubuntu encrpytion bug will be a SRU I thinj [23:49] Hmm, rather not. [23:51] Noskcaj: Since when you dare to call yourself "head of testing in Xubuntu"? [23:52] smartboyhw, since i was put on trial for the possition in february [23:52] elfy and i will share the position for S cycle [23:52] Noskcaj… OK. [23:56] smartboyhw, do you have the kubuntu i686 image? if so could you confirm the bug affects it?