TheDrumsstgraber: I'm guessing this isn't the once a year you fixup pastebinit?01:33
* dtchen is very confused about the rejection of libfilesystem-ruby_0.5-3.1ubuntu1 (e.g., https://launchpadlibrarian.net/138047596/upload_4512415_log.txt)02:23
infinitydtchen: It's replaced by ruby-filesystem02:27
dtcheninfinity: ah, thanks02:27
darkxstwould it be possible to get my gnome-shell/mutter SRU for Q approved? it has been in the queue for 2 months now!02:32
plarsinfinity: know if anything more is going to be done on the iso size?03:11
ScottKAccepted pidgin for (probably) an SRU.  I'm not unblocking, but it'll be there if there's a respin.03:13
dtchenScottK: thanks03:15
ScottKdtchen: No problem.  I've got the easy part of the job.03:16
phillwScottK: pidging?03:32
phillwback to hey03:33
phillwkey board03:33
phillwsorry about that, ScottK. (04:13:07) ScottK: Accepted pidgin for (probably) an SRU.  I'm not unblocking, but it'll be there if there's a respin. as the world is being re-spun, will this arrive?03:36
ScottKI meant another one.03:36
ScottKThose respins are already in progress.03:36
phillwcrikey!! I hope we do not have a respin the world after this one...03:37
phillwThursday is not running away. If you guys want to make a week on Friday.. the testers will no complain. :D03:41
ScottKCome one.  We've respun on Thursday before and made it.03:42
phillwScottK: indeed we have, but is that a standard, or an exception. I was still pulling in test reports as versions were being accepted as okay to release... Possible, it is, correct it is not :)03:45
ScottKYou gotta do what you gotta do.03:45
ScottKWe aren't going to respin without a good reason.03:45
ScottKThat's why I said "if".03:46
ScottKDon't accept jockey yet.04:01
cjwatsonphillw: given bug 1080701, at least one further respin-world is likely.04:25
ubot2Launchpad bug 1080701 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Raring) "After 'Preparing to install Ubuntu' screen, raring installation hangs" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/108070104:25
ScottKcjwatson: The jockey upload is respin worthy for Kubuntu (all variants) only.  No rush though since another one is likely coming.04:41
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ScottKYou might want to unblock pidgin too, not sure.  I'm off to bed.04:59
ScottKstgraber: I tried to mark all the Kubuntu images for rebuild and got " An illegal choice has been detected. Please contact the site administrator."  If that button does what it thinks, I should be able to do that, right?05:07
ScottKcjwatson: Assuming you can, would you please mark the Kubuntu images for rebuild in the ISO tracker?05:07
* ScottK goes to bed (really this time).05:08
cjwatsonScottK: Done.  No ability to tell/guess why it didn't work for you, though.05:16
stgrabergood morning06:47
stgraberScottK: hmm, that's very weird. I think slangasek once reported something similar. I'll take a look at the logs see if I can spot something useful in there06:47
stgraberTheDrums: nope it's not06:48
TheDrums'Tis a pity, think debian is broken again. :P06:49
stgraberTheDrums: well, paste.debian.net seems kinda dead indeed, but that has nothing to do with pastebinit ;)06:51
TheDrumsIndeed not. :)06:51
TheDrums(DDoS provided by pastebinit! ;) )06:51
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smartboyhwRelease Team: When will the upgrade testcases land in http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/269/builds ?08:19
smartboyhwIt should be just a matter of copying:)08:19
stgraberI'll do that08:20
smartboyhwstgraber, thanks \o/08:23
* smartboyhw hugs stgraber 08:23
psivaacjwatson: xnox: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5594979/ is the failure that i was talking about in #u-installer08:29
gemapsivaa: which line has the problem?08:31
psivaagema: error removing libgksu2-0 is the pop up on the installer08:33
gemapsivaa: ack08:34
psivaagema: if you look for Removing libgksu2-0 ... in the above paste there after some errors reported08:34
stgraberpsivaa: do you still have access to that machine?08:37
psivaastgraber: yes, that's in the lab08:39
stgraberpsivaa: do you have SSH installed on it? (I have a VPN key for the lab)08:39
gemastgraber: yes08:40
stgraberok, let me quickly setup my VPN here (reinstalled my laptop on Sunday) and I'll take a look08:41
psivaastgraber: utah-7938-raring-amd64 is the machine in aldebaran08:41
xnoxpsivaa: do you have the rest of the utah logs? how big is the hard-drive?08:44
stgraberxnox: looks like a miscompile of some python module to me which then causes all the crashes, should be easy enough to confirm once I've got access to it08:44
cjwatsonit's a python2.7 failure, encodings.normalize_encoding failing with AttributeError; but the code on disk looks fine; looks like either what stgraber says or data corruption copying the source file to disk08:45
cjwatsonnot an installer bug as such, in any case08:45
stgraberok, so I'm on aldebaran, now to figure out how to connect to that VM :)08:47
psivaasorry had to reboot08:48
stgraberpsivaa: I'm on aldebaran though that VM (utah-7938-raring-amd64) doesn't answer on port 22, how do I get a shell in there?08:49
xnoxstgraber: connect to vnc / kvm via virt-manager?08:51
psivaastgraber: virt-manager  -c qemu+ssh://the.machine.ip/system08:51
psivaaxnox: the drive is 5G and i'll give you the rest of the logs in a sec08:55
xnoxpsivaa: Somehow I don't think 5GB is big enough anymore, as we peak higher in disk usage and then remove a few things.09:10
stgraber/dev/vda1       7.3G  2.7G  4.3G  39% /target09:11
stgrabercjwatson: it's not corrupted pyc files for once...09:12
stgraberI just wiped them all and still get the stacktrace09:13
stgraberoh wow, something went extremely wrong09:15
cjwatsonhave a look at /usr/lib/python2.7/encodings/__init__.py ?09:15
stgrabercjwatson: just did, the file sizes match but the content is full of nothing09:15
stgraberroot@utah-7938-raring-amd64:/# hd /usr/lib/python2.7/encodings/__init__.py09:15
stgraber00000000  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  |................|09:16
stgraberroot@utah-7938-raring-amd64:/# ls -l /usr/lib/python2.7/encodings/__init__.py09:16
stgraber-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5698 Apr 19 19:20 /usr/lib/python2.7/encodings/__init__.py09:16
cjwatsonthis isn't xfs is it? :-)09:16
cjwatson(to be fair I think that problem is a thing of the distant past)09:16
stgrabernope, good old ext4 ;)09:16
cjwatsondefault data= ?09:17
stgraber/dev/vda1 /target ext4 rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered 0 009:17
cjwatsondata=ordered is the default and IIRC the sane one09:17
stgraberthe __init__.py outside of /target looks good (matches the one on my laptop)09:17
cjwatsonas long as it's not the crazy data=writeback09:18
stgraberand there's no error whatsoever in dmesg09:18
stgraberpsivaa: was that the first time you had this issue or did you see it in previous tests too?09:19
cjwatsonand is it reproducible?09:20
psivaathis is the first time i'm seeing this issue, and the second run has just finished with http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5595062/09:21
cjwatsonso you're getting a succession of different random data corruption ...09:21
cjwatsonI would be inclined to suspect the host hardware09:21
pgranerpsivaa, what box is that on?09:22
psivaastgraber: /var/cache/utah/iso is where the is is picked up from09:23
pgranerpsivaa, thats the box we replaced the raid controller on a few weeks ago09:23
psivaapgraner: no that's alderamin09:24
stgraberI'll stop digging into this one and will instead finish setting up my laptop to run VMs here. If it's not an hardware issue with that host, we should see it show up in standard iso testing so the more we do the better.09:24
psivaapgraner: well alderamin was a week ago, not sure about aldebaran09:24
pgranerpsivaa, prob should check with retoaded he should be online anytime now09:24
psivaapgraner: ack09:25
pgranerstgraber, I just ran it in KVM & Virt box and no issues09:25
stgraberpsivaa: the .iso looks good to me09:25
stgraberpsivaa: but if the .iso was the problem we'd be seeing squashfs errors in dmesg and the file outside of /target would also be corrupted09:25
stgraberpsivaa: so it looks like we're getting data corruption on the VM hdd, not from the source media09:26
psivaastgraber: ack, strange timing though09:26
stgraberso it could be an hardware issue (though I'm not seeing anything in the host's dmesg) or some weird bug in virtio09:26
psivaastgraber: ack, would me try and install a vm on the host manually help narrow down?09:27
xnoxstgraber: well, a bug in virtio, disk emulation (sata, ide, virtio), VM write strategy. After all we don't want our kvm/qemu loosing files either.09:30
stgraberpsivaa: I guess you could boot a VM from the iso, with an HDD attached (virtio disk), then try to copy a bunch of files and see how many end up being corrupted. That'd give us an idea of how common the problem is, though actually debugging it won't be easy at all and the solution may be as simple as rebooting the host...09:33
psivaastgraber: ack09:34
stgraberthe fact that we got a file of the right size containing only \0 and not some random corruption at the middle of it and didn't get any error from the host or VM kernel would suggest some kind of ext4/virtio interaction (as it's "too clean" for hardware corruption)09:35
cjwatsonmaybe?  not sure I have good intuition about what that might or might not cause09:36
cjwatsonif the metadata write was committed properly but the data write was just dropped on the floor then you'd see that09:37
ScottKTheDrums: The machine that paste.debian.net lives on died.  It'll live again once the hardware is replaced.09:37
TheDrumsScottK: Ah, thank you for the info.09:37
stgrabercjwatson: hmm, indeed, what's surprising though is that this didn't trigger any kind of error in the VM dmesg. You'd expect ext4 to complain a bit if something like that happened.09:38
xnoxfsck? =)09:39
stgraberxnox: running09:41
stgraberxnox: nothing, looks clean (just did a standard fsck.ext4 -f -v)09:42
cjwatsonretoaded: let me know when you're around - would like to get a patch tested09:45
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* ScottK hopes someone has ping mark for the new name high on their TODO list.10:04
cjwatsonin progress, so I hear10:06
cjwatsonI've bumped the size limits for Ubuntu desktop10:07
cjwatson(since they were artificial anyway)10:08
cjwatsonkubuntu/daily-live: raring-desktop-powerpc.iso oversized by 41590784 bytes (1115332608)10:08
cjwatsonRiddell,ScottK: anything you want to do about that?  bump the limit?10:08
Riddelldrop it as far as I'm concerned10:08
cjwatsonthe image or the limit?10:08
cjwatsonScottK was trying to get testing lined up, I thought10:08
cjwatson23:00 <ScottK> Did we stop making the Kubuntu powerpc image on purpose?10:09
cjwatson23:00 <ScottK> Someone's actually testing it, so it might be nice to have one less than three weeks old.10:09
cjwatson23:00 <ScottK> (or point me to a failure log please)10:09
Riddellhe does like to keep those old things going :)10:09
ScottKRiddell: We actually have a tester, so let's see how it goes.10:09
Riddellok up to you10:09
ScottKbump the limit please.10:09
smartboyhwRiddell, ScottK and I think I was mentioned yesterday in here about the powerpc image:(10:10
ScottKNot much we can do about size.10:10
cjwatsonOK - uh, let me poke a bit, the size limit isn't arch-specific right now so I'll need to fix that10:10
infinityScottK: There are some things we can do about the size, but it might be a bit too much hassle to try to bring it down right now.10:34
cjwatsonSo what can we strip out of the server-ship seed to make amd64 within size?  We only need ~6MB10:42
cjwatsonmunin maybe?  Would take libdate-manip-perl with it10:44
pgranerDaviey, ^^^^ suggestions?10:46
* jamespage takes a look10:46
cjwatsonOr python-svn10:47
cjwatsonif quagga is useful to you then you have a network :)10:47
cjwatsonah, as Adam points out it might be network infrastructure, OK10:48
jamespageI was thinking quagga as well10:48
cjwatsonNo, Adam's right, you might need it to get your network working, and you might need to preseed it10:48
cjwatsonpython-genshi is tiny10:49
cjwatson^- to help prioritise things10:49
infinityDropping munin seems like an obvious win.  I can't imagine it being the sort of thing you'd ever preseed into an install.10:49
cjwatsonmunin might actually be close to sufficient10:49
cjwatsonif it's something you can drop10:50
cjwatson$ GET http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu.raring/server-ship | grep munin | cut -d\| -f5 | numsum10:50
jamespagewell I'd rather drop backuppc than munin10:50
cjwatson$ GET http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu.raring/server-ship | grep backuppc | cut -d\| -f5 | numsum10:50
infinityI was looking at it from a "what might people build into their seeds to preinstall?"... You'd think backuppc might be something you'd install in a base image, but munin not so much?  I dunno.10:51
infinitypython-svn is likely not widely used, given the fact that you don't actually ship subversion.10:51
jamespagenut might be a contender10:52
cjwatsonpython-svn does seem like an obvious win.  It's about 1.5MB10:53
cjwatsonnut's about 1.7MB10:53
cjwatsonI guess we might want the wordlists10:55
cjwatsonI dropped those to Suggests in openssh a while back - it's been long enough since that vuln10:56
infinityPretty much nothing pulls in miscfiles, I have a hard time believing people install it intentionally except for Debian oldskoolers who know it exists.10:56
infinityIt's not the most obviously cool package name.10:56
jamespageI'd +1 miscfiles10:57
jamespageand siege  as well (but that is tiny)10:57
cjwatsonpython-svn + miscfiles + openssh-blacklist* would be sufficient10:57
cjwatsonWe wouldn't need to strip anything else after that10:58
stgrabercjwatson: won't dropping openssh-blacklist in turn drop openssl-blacklist, saving a total of > 15MB? (or am I misreading the germinate output)10:58
cjwatsonopenssl-blacklist is pulled in by openssl-blacklist-extra which is seeded independently10:58
cjwatsonAnd I think the tradeoffs for installing openssl-blacklist-extra are different10:59
stgraberah yeah, missed that line10:59
jamespagecjwatson, works for me11:00
* jamespage takes an action to do a full server seed review in the next month or so11:00
xnoxjamespage: i wonder if libjs-yui3-full could be avoided in mass-region-controller, by either embedding just the bare minimal, or creating a -medium yui package.11:01
xnoxjamespage: I somehow daubt that every single piece of yui is used.11:01
jamespagexnox, please don't make me cry11:01
xnoxjamespage: well, maybe something for s-series to look into, to bring things back.11:01
jamespagexnox, agreed11:01
cjwatsonI'll start making the seed changes for the above then11:04
cjwatson(python-svn + miscfiles + openssh-blacklist*)11:04
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cjwatsonrejecting live-build for a tweak, Adam will reupload11:16
retoadedcjwatson, I'm around11:18
retoadedpgraner ^^^^11:19
pgranerretoaded, thanks, cjwatson will be right with ya11:19
cjwatsonretoaded: great.  I'd like to get http://paste.ubuntu.com/5594654/ tested on a machine that fails bug 108070111:20
ubot2Launchpad bug 1080701 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Raring) "After 'Preparing to install Ubuntu' screen, raring installation hangs" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/108070111:20
cjwatsonretoaded: that patch won't quite apply to the live filesystem because of slightly different path names - can you deal or do you want a version with the paths mangled into shape?11:20
retoadedcjwatson, let me peek11:21
cjwatsonactually why don't I just give you a mangled version anyway11:21
cjwatsonretoaded: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5595274/11:21
retoadedcjwatson, ack11:22
xnoxstgraber: can you add wubi test-cases back into e.g. raring-daily milestone ? we don't do disk-image installs, but I still want to follow the test-case to do old-style wubi install to verify fixes and store the test results in the iso tracker.11:22
xnoxstgraber: e.g. product (wubi) same as currently in precise daily.11:23
tjaaltonhrm, could someone reject my lightdm upload, it's missing depends on the new plymouth version11:23
retoadedcjwatson, let me reconnect all drives that were disconnected during testing then I'll give it a go.11:23
psivaacjwatson: xnox: stgraber: the latest preseeded installation has passed on the same host with amd64 image.11:24
cjwatsonretoaded: thanks11:24
cjwatsonpsivaa: oh good11:24
infinitytjaalton: Done.11:24
tjaaltoninfinity: thanks11:24
infinitytjaalton: Is this plymouth/lightdm thing meant to be an SRU, or are you angling for a last-minute fix?11:26
tjaaltoninfinity: sru11:26
infinityThen I'll switch hats before I review it.11:26
tjaaltonit's acked by slangasek already, I've tested it thoroughly here apart from this packaging detail :)11:27
cjwatsonScottK: unblocked pidgin11:27
infinitytjaalton: Check.11:27
tjaaltonsame should be applied to other *dm's too, but I'll probably leave that up to their maintainers11:27
cjwatsonthat's nasty enough that I'd rather take it, and it has confirmations in the bugs11:27
xnoxtjaalton: are there packages anywhere? I'd like to test is on my laptop which is affected by it.11:27
tjaaltonxnox: plymouth is on ubuntu-x/x-staging already, I'll push lightdm too11:28
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tjaaltoncjwatson: you mean my bug?11:28
xnoxtjaalton: please do =)11:28
cjwatsontjaalton: no, I mean pidgin11:28
tjaaltonah, cool :)11:28
stgraberxnox: hmm, ok. I guess it'll confuse some people though as it'll link to non-existing files.11:28
xnoxstgraber: hmm.. I think pgraner is trying to activate it now. Meh.... i'm tested the upgraded signed wubi.exe as is on the cd and that has disk-image installs disabled....11:29
stgraberxnox: done11:29
pgranerstgraber, thanks11:29
stgraberhmm, what? I added those to daily, not to final...11:30
pgranerstgraber, I did the final by accident, I'll remove11:31
stgraberah, ok, it got added back to the manifest, so it then got auto-copied to Raring Final11:31
pgranerstgraber, I'll let you fix it11:31
tjaaltonxnox: ok, uploaded.. should be built soonish11:31
xnoxtjaalton: thanks.11:32
retoadedcjwatson, with all three drives connected it appears to have resolved the problem. The installer progresses to the point where I am able to select how I want to install (overwrite, alongside, something else) and takes me to the disk layout when I select something else.11:35
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cjwatsonretoaded: ooooooh12:17
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psivaacjwatson: will the upcoming respin include server images as well?13:34
cjwatsonpsivaa: yes13:37
psivaacjwatson: ack, thanks13:37
Laneycan we have them marked on the iso tracker?13:38
xnoxstgraber: thanks a lot for wubi test cases! we may have found something.13:39
stgrabercjwatson, infinity: just a quick update. I'm working with jodh on the two bugs smoser mentioned yesterday.13:48
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cjwatsonnew wubi in place which is actually the correct revision and will pop up the right things, thanks xnox14:16
cjwatsonrespinning world for fix for bug 107080114:45
ubot2Launchpad bug 1070801 in OCS Inventory: OCSReports "Can't activate packages with automatic method" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107080114:45
cjwatsoner, not that14:45
cjwatsonbug 108070114:45
ubot2Launchpad bug 1080701 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Raring) "After 'Preparing to install Ubuntu' screen, raring installation hangs" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/108070114:45
cjwatson(note part of that's in partman-auto, so applies to alternates/servers too)14:46
cjwatsonhopefully this is the last ...14:46
smartboyhwcjwatson, all images?14:46
cjwatsonUnless you like partitioner hangs :)14:48
cjwatsonWe only just figured out the fix this morning14:48
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infinityjbicha: Ouch.15:03
jbichacan we get that u-g-default-settings fix in ^ before we respin ubuntu gnome?15:03
jbichaoh, too late?15:03
cjwatsonmight be lucky15:03
infinityjbicha: We'll respin again if we missed the current one. :P15:03
cjwatsonthe builds are all racing a lock15:03
infinityjbicha: So, we'll see. :)15:03
jbichasorry about that, I was out for 30 minutes15:04
infinityjbicha: Meh.  It happens.  At least your spins are quick.15:04
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stgrabersorry for the bad timing but three different people reported a breakage caused by the recent isc-dhcp update in quantal.15:18
stgraberit looks like it's caused by some setups requiring access to a RAW socket now (likely as a result of the xen checksum offload patch)15:18
stgraberthe fix is a one line apparmor change that we already had in raring (which explains why we didn't see the problem there)15:19
stgraberI'll upload the fix in a couple of minutes and would appreciate it if we could fast track that SRU as I've got no clue what kind of percentage of users we're talking about but I've got a feeling it's rather high15:19
slangasekstgraber: ok, I can push it through when it shows up15:20
infinityNobody accept sphinxtrain until sphinxbase publishes on armhf.15:25
infinityAnd same for pocketsphinx.15:26
stgraberslangasek: looks like Launchpad's done diffing isc-dhcp if you want to take a look15:42
slangasekstgraber: ok, accepted15:54
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cjwatsonretoaded: sorry, we've had a bit of a build ordering snafu so Ubuntu desktop is delayed, but could you try the Xubuntu desktop images that just came out?  For the purposes of this kind of installer bug it should be the same16:11
retoadedcjwatson, sure16:12
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slangasekcjwatson, xnox, stgraber: so there have been a number of reports coming in here at the end about the "remove the media and hit enter" message not showing up in raring.  I'm pretty sure nothing's changed in plymouth; maybe something has changed elsewhere to regress the special-case handling of getting the necessary files all loaded before unmounting? (bug #1171792, bug #1170421)16:38
ubot2Launchpad bug 1171792 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "message to remove external drive and press ENTER is hidden" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117179216:38
ubot2Launchpad bug 1170421 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "Live session shutdown "hangs" (not showing "Please remove media ..." message)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117042116:38
stgraberslangasek: FWIW I've seen that bug on and off since at least precise, so I doubt it's a new bug, however maybe we did something to make it more likely to happen16:39
infinityDepends on how reliably it doesn't work...16:39
slangasekhmm; I wasn't aware it was an ongoing problem, I thought it had been fixed in precise-ish with the casper file cache handling16:39
cjwatsonYeah, I've been hearing reports of that for a long time; it's true that it's fragile16:39
retoadedcjwatson, it might be a little while. my download speeds are horribly slow today.16:39
cjwatsonretoaded: ok16:39
cjwatsonlet me know at some point so I know when I can hit the pub :)16:40
cjwatsonslangasek: I wonder if plymouthd is loading something dynamically maybe?16:40
cjwatsonI dunno, it's incredibly hard to debug16:40
slangasekcjwatson: it loads a number of things dynamically, but I thought all the things had previously been dealt with16:40
cjwatsonLet me see if I can reproduce it in kvm ... although I seem to remember that not being successful in the past16:41
xnoxsame. here. this bug is very often easily reproduced in virtual box. As far as I remember we would drop back to tty1, yet the message is displayed in tty7. Switching to that tty1 should show it.16:41
stgraberI've noticed I have better odds of reproducing it when testing Edubuntu and running ltsp-live, but it's still a 1 every 5 times kind of thing, so it makes adding debug everywhere to track it down quite a bit of a pain16:41
xnoxif we can somehow display the message across all ttys it would help, with like a Wall message.16:41
cjwatsonIt's supposed to be displayed in plymouth, though16:41
cjwatsonWhich is very definitely on one tty :-)16:42
cjwatsonIf I can reproduce it then *maybe* I can instrument it somehow - the problem of course is that your filesystem has just gone away16:43
slangasekwe do have a newer version of plymouth in raring vs. quantal, so it could be a new upstream dependency of some kind, I haven't checked16:43
slangasekcjwatson: would it be any use to instrument on a running system to find what files are mmapped?  I guess that doesn't catch files that are opened/read/closed16:44
cjwatsonI think the problem is that you have to instrument some ill-defined set of processes16:44
stgrabercjwatson: yeah, last time I tried debugging that mess I ended up building a custom initrd and booting from that, so I don't need to patch the various files at every single boot16:44
cjwatsonMaybe systemtap would be of use, if anyone knows it ...16:45
slangasekcjwatson: is it that ill-defined?  I thought it's just plymouthd + plymouth (client) + the shutdown script16:45
cjwatsonWhat if it ends up waiting for udev or something - but you're probably right16:46
jbichaok, the Ubuntu GNOME images didn't have the updated settings so I clicked the Mark for re-build button on the iso tracker16:46
cjwatsonHm, I don't have my plymouth tree here - what communication channel does plymouth -> plymouthd use?16:47
cjwatsonjbicha: OK, will poke it later16:47
xnoxcjwatson: just a socket as far as i remember.16:47
cjwatsonBut a socket where?16:48
slangasekcjwatson: mm, I thought it was an abstract unix socket16:48
cjwatsonOK, as long as it's not in a directory whose contents might be swapped out16:48
stgraber    for path in $(which halt) $(which reboot) /etc/rc?.d /etc/default $(which stty) /bin/plymouth; do16:48
cjwatsonDid we start using fontconfig more aggressively?16:48
stgraber        cache_path "$path"16:48
stgraber    done16:48
cjwatsonI wonder if it's trying to load a font or some other text rendering thing16:48
stgrabercache_path doing a find+cat of everything it finds16:49
cjwatsonkvm doesn't show plymouth properly at boot16:49
cjwatsontail of the output on tty7 is "stty: standard input: unable to perform all requested operations"  "Please remove installation media and close the tray ..."16:50
cjwatsonBut probably an invalid test since it's not actually showing plymouth16:50
slangasekcjwatson: confirmed that the socket is abstract16:52
slangasekcjwatson: shouldn't be using fontconfig any more aggressively than before16:52
slangasekit does use fontconfig though16:52
stgraberslangasek: does it preload the fonts or just loads them the first time it needs them?16:53
slangasekso maybe that's why it's only been working intermittently?16:53
slangasekstgraber: it uses fontconfig16:53
slangasekso $indeterminate16:53
cjwatsoneasy for the fonts to be out of cache, perhaps16:53
slangasekyeah; I had wondered about that previously, but in the absence of bugs coming my direction I had assumed it was dealt with16:54
stgraberso stupid question, but why can't we just show the message before ejecting the media? we're talking < 1s here so it's unlikely to make any visible difference to the user16:55
stgraberbasically do plymouth message (or echo), then eject, then do the plymouth watch-keystroke (or read)16:56
cjwatsonI was sort of wondering that.  Perhaps16:56
slangasekyeah, I'd had the same thought16:57
xnoxhow does one "eject" usb?17:01
xnoxas that needs removing as well.....17:01
xnox(or you mean that well, it's not visible to the kernel / not-mounted)17:02
slangasekxnox: not sure what the question is - one ejects the USB by physically disconnecting the drive17:03
slangasekwhich is what the user should do, to make sure they don't get booted back into the installer17:04
cjwatsonAre we putting armhf+omap4 on releases.u.c this cycle?17:05
cjwatsonAdam seems to recall some debate about that17:05
cjwatsonAnd IS could do with knowing in order to prepare cloudfront rewrites17:05
slangasekso last cycle we had desktop-armhf+omap4 on releases17:06
slangasekand this cycle we didn't release it with beta, right?17:07
xnoxsee ya =)17:07
cjwatsonBut apparently that was because of a bug that's been fixed17:08
* slangasek nods17:08
slangasekso this information used to be recorded in the release manifest17:09
slangasekI'm not sure the move to iso.qa gives us that anymore17:09
slangasekstgraber: ^^ ?17:09
infinityslangasek: As a data point, we've also removed the omap4/desktop image from the website's download/arm page (on the staging site).17:09
slangasekstgraber: also, *finding* the release manifest in iso.qa is a huge pain :/17:09
slangasekinfinity: why have we done that?17:10
infinityslangasek: I'm not sure there's much point in having it on releases given how close we came to dropping the image entirely.17:10
slangasekor rather, who made that decision?17:10
slangasek(that's contrary to my last suggestion on the ubuntu-release thread...)17:11
infinityslangasek: Came about from a conversation with the web team yesterday, and agreement from me, Pete, Rick... There's a mail thread about this too?  Fun.17:11
slangasekyes, there was a mail thread about this, which Amrit (web team) was Cc:ed on17:11
cjwatsonalso do you think we care about pushing dvd/preinstalled to cloudfront?  apparently we did for precise and not for quantal17:12
slangasekhmm, which dvd, which preinstalled?17:12
slangasekwe don't have dvd anymore, do we?17:13
cjwatsonoh yeah17:13
slangasekand the only preinstalled we have this cycle is nexus717:13
cjwatsonSo Ubuntu preinstalled desktop armhf+<whatever>, preinstalled server armhf+<whatever>17:13
ogra_what the heck are these ?17:13
* ogra_ glares at ubuntu-12.04-preinstalled-desktop-armhf+mx5.img.gz17:14
ogra_we definitely never had such an image17:14
cjwatson<shrug> I don't want to debug precise now, just trying to check :)17:14
slangasekogra_: infinity signed off on it ;) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseManifest17:15
infinityogra_: Sure we did.17:15
ogra_a desktop mx5 ?17:15
plarscjwatson: my understanding was that desktop was no longer going to be released for omap4, we have desktop on nexus7 and netboot/server on omap4 still though17:15
cjwatsonbegs to differ17:15
plarspgraner: ^ unless something changed since then?17:15
cjwatsonplars: yeah, this isn't about "do we release it", it's about whether it's high enough traffic to push to cloudfront17:15
infinityplars: No, it's still being released, though perhaps deemphasized.17:15
* ogra_ wonders who ever tested that17:15
cjwatsonI'm inclined to say just the things that are on releases.u.c17:16
infinityogra_: Jani did.17:16
plarsah, I see17:16
cjwatsonWhich would match quantal17:16
cjwatsonJust want to make sure I'm telling IS the right things17:16
slangasekcjwatson: so I don't see a compelling argument for either of the nexus7 desktop or the omap4 desktop/server being given precedence over the other on releases.u.c; I expect both are going to be lower traffic than e.g. the phablet image17:17
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slangasekis splitting the desktop image publishing between releases and cdimage problematic?17:17
cjwatsonok, so let's just have cloudfront == releases17:17
cjwatsonslangasek: no17:17
infinityslangasek: No, we always did in the past.17:17
infinity(And, indeed, powerpc goes to cdimage if it gets tested and released)17:18
slangasekinfinity: right, was asking on account of the armhf beta2 images that wound up in the pool but not published, wanting to make sure that wasn't a tooling problem17:18
infinityNah, that was just pre-publishing not taking ready states into account (intentionally).17:18
slangasekcjwatson: so how would using cloudfront work wrt cdimage anyway?17:18
cjwatsonsame way as it did last two releases :-)17:20
cjwatsoner, for precise anyway17:20
cjwatsonrewrites on IS' end17:20
slangasekcjwatson: right, so I don't imagine these will see a huge amount of traffic... if we're trying to minimize the load on cdimage, it would probably make more sense to cloudfront some of the flavors rather than these.  So +1 from me for just doing releases.17:22
stgraberslangasek: well, the manifest is linked from the frontpage and on the builds page, but yeah, not exactly the most visible link ;) and if you intend to change it, then it's even better hidden.17:24
stgraberslangasek: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/264/builds is what we had in the beta17:24
stgraberso it looks like we tested desktop armhf for the beta but didn't publish because it wasn't bootable17:25
cjwatsonyeah, from my pov the only once worth this kind of special handling are by definition on releases17:25
infinitystgraber: Yeah, that's been fixed since.17:25
dannfwe're seeing a pretty serious kernel bug on calxeda highbank systems, LP: #1171582 - i've tested a workaround in finish-install, patch attached to that bug. is that something that, if approved, could still make the release?17:26
ubot2Launchpad bug 1171582 in linux (Ubuntu) "[highbank] hvc0 getty causes random hangs" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117158217:26
stgrabercjwatson, slangasek: want me to upload a casper with the re-ordering we discussed earlier. I don't think it's worth a respin but may be good to include if we have to respin for some other reason17:26
ogra_dannf, i saw it mentioned in the kernel team meeting17:26
ogra_i think ppisati is actively working on it17:27
cjwatsonstgraber: hmm, we should probably get it into -proposed at least, yeah17:27
dannfogra_: yes, i'm working w/ ppisati - but my understanding is that we can't get a kernel in now17:28
infinityYeah, a new kernel at this point is definitely not going to happen.17:28
dannfi tried to find workarounds we could just document, but came up w/ nuthin.. well, nothing that doesn't involve dropping to a shell and typing magic commands17:29
roaksoaxHi! I was wondeirng that if I were to upload bug fixes that are not critical for release, would they be held in proposed for 0-day or should I file a proper SRU once raring is released?17:31
ogra_dannf, note that this fix  will likely break server installs on omap (which is also in the generic kernel(17:31
ogra_not that this is overly important i guess17:32
cjwatsonversion should be 2.42ubuntu117:32
retoadedcjwatson, the xubuntu image appears to work with all disks connected; I can manage partitions during install.17:32
dannfogra_: break?17:33
dannfor affect?17:33
cjwatsonogra_: um, do omaps have /dev/hvc*?17:33
infinityThey shouldn't.17:33
* retoaded will be back in about an hour17:33
ogra_dannf, well, if in a serial install no $serial_tty.conf is created i would say break17:33
cjwatsonogra_: you've misread17:33
cjwatsonogra_: the exit 0 is inserted lower than you think :)17:33
ogra_oh, ok17:34
cjwatsonso with a fixed version number I'm fine with this change17:34
cjwatsonretoaded: yay yay yay17:34
infinitydannf: I'll go ahead and sponsor that for you with a sane version.17:35
dannfinfinity: ok, thx and to be clear, i've done no testing on omap - i don't have that hardwre17:35
ogra_dont worry ... a) i misread  and b) omap is a nice to have only17:36
ogra_supported arches surely take precedence if its an on/off decision17:37
ogra_(but in case it would have broken it there should have been a note about it somewhere)17:38
dannfyeah - i don't see how it could negatively impact omap, but i never really see how i'm about to be wrong :)17:39
cjwatsonjbicha: ^- 20130423.2 has the new ubuntu-gnome-default-settings17:39
jbichacjwatson: thanks!17:41
cjwatsonfinish-install unblocked too17:44
infinitystgraber: ^-- Didn't like your casper upload?17:46
stgraberinfinity: right. I based that one on what was currently in the archive and not ubuntu:casper where I already had another fix staged.17:47
stgraberso I'm now preparing a new one which contains two fixes instead of one (the other fix being detection of swap on virtio, simple one line change I noticed while debugging another issue a while back).17:48
dobeyhey all, can I get someone to accept rhythmbox-ubuntuone into quantal-proposed and precise-proposed please?18:46
phillwcan someone please turn back on the kubuntu-ppc iso, it got dropped from 'auto build' but does now have the lubuntu-ppc team agreeable to check it out.18:49
phillwScottK: do you still want kubuntu-ppc tested? Sorry, I should have asked you before I made the request :/18:50
infinityphillw: Already done.18:53
phillwinfinity: thanks, for purely nostalgic reasons, I do care about ppc :)18:54
infinityphillw: For bonus points, we also shrunk lubuntu/ppc a fair bit.  It might fit on a CD again.18:55
phillwinfinity: that would be a nice present to the guys18:55
infinity(kubuntu/ppc won't, but none of the kubuntu images fit on CDs)18:55
phillwthank you, if the lubuntu ones would, that would be amazing. Julien cannot shrink it more because the 'bug' is the number of kernels.18:56
infinityYeah, I knocked out the e500* kernels from desktop CDs today.18:57
infinitySince they're really only wanted on server installs.18:57
infinityCompare the size of lubuntu/ppc from 20130423 to 20130423.1, you should be pleasantly surprised.18:58
phillwthe old desktop / lapbook macs may be on the floor, but they are not dead  yet. If you make the iso CD sized I'll get the guys to have a whip round to buy those who managed it a beer.18:59
infinityHrm.  We might need to do something clever for your alternate CD too.  But at least the desktop one is shrunk.18:59
phillwTo be honest, my view as release manager is that we get ONE of them released. But, the testers never cease to surprise me. if the ac100 gets the nod, on lubunut we are pretty much good to go. :D19:01
ogra_phillw, did the ac100 not get one ? popey did an install today19:03
ogra_and afaik it was fine19:03
vanhoofcjwatson: infinity: ogra_: dannf: verified bug #117158219:11
ubot2Launchpad bug 1171582 in linux (Ubuntu) "[highbank] hvc0 getty causes random hangs" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117158219:11
infinityvanhoof: Lovely.  We'll keep that open, since it's actually a kernel bug, but good to know the workaround works.19:13
vanhoofinfinity: ack, just figured was worth a sanity check :)19:13
vanhoofinfinity: thanks (dannf you too :))19:13
ogra_infinity, cjwatson .... so it seems we end up without gksu installed on desktop ... that would need a seed change i guess19:21
Laneyshould it be installed?19:22
ogra_gksu deps were removed from the two apps that had it on the desktop and it seems nobody added a seed entry19:22
dobeyLaney: i'd say no19:22
ogra_Laney, well, pkexec doesnt really manage to fulfill the purpose19:22
dobeyLaney: or at least, i'd defer to security to answer that19:22
infinityI assume it's only in the manifest as a ubiquity dependency and thus gets autoremoved at the end of the install?19:22
ogra_though people can indeed use sudo19:22
ogra_infinity, xactly19:22
LaneyI don't know why it's a purpose that needs to be fulfilled by default - if you want it, you can install it?19:22
dobeyand that19:23
ogra_well, its a convenience for scriping19:23
infinityBut yeah, pretty much any HOWTO that says "run gksu gedit /etc/foo" could s/gksu/sudo/ with the same effect.19:23
dobeyLaney: it's that people are used to telling people to use it on forums and ask ubuntu and whatnot, to edit files that are owned by root. which is a generally bad thing to be doing anyway, if they don't know what they're doing enough to use sudo/vim instead19:23
infinityHonestly, I'd consider it a ubiquity bug that gksu is on the CD at all, rather than a bug that it doesn't stay installed.19:25
dobeyinfinity: that's what i just said in -devel :)19:25
Laneydobey: They'll get a nice message telling them to sudo apt-get install gksu19:25
ogra_infinity, yeah19:25
ogra_the prob is that we have a ton of docs referring to it19:26
dobeyLaney: yeah. i don't really see any problem with it not being there19:26
LaneyWhy did this just happen: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libgcrypt11/1.5.0-3ubuntu2.1/+build/3970473 ?19:26
dobeyLaney: though if it was up to me, i'd probably just try to get it removed from the archive. :)19:26
infinityLaney: Magic.19:26
LaneyDoesn't look like very good magic19:27
jbichawell it would be cool if gedit or nautilus would prompt to elevate privileges when needed19:27
dobeyjbicha: also that19:27
infinityLaney: (I did a mass give-back and forgot to exclude armel... To avoid the pain of buildd exploding due to a lack of a chroot tarball for armel, I replaced it with a kitten jpeg)19:27
* Laney downloads the chroot19:28
infinityI've already removed it.19:28
LaneyNo fun.19:28
infinityOh, but it hasn't been garbage-collected from the librarian yet.19:28
* Laney just WTFed that tar wouldn't bunzip it for a bit19:30
infinityDecompressing kittens is hard.19:30
LaneyTime + food19:31
infinityAhh, tar -tuna19:31
slangasekstgraber: I don't see any manifest link on the front page, fwiw19:48
stgraberslangasek: so you see the list of milestones? look in the table header "Milestones for 'Raring' series (product manifest | testsuites)"19:49
stgraberproduct manifest being the magic link you're looking for ;)19:49
slangasekstgraber: oh man19:49
slangasekstgraber: right, could that link please be made a link color? :)19:50
stgraberI'll raise a bug about that for the next time I try to understand Drupal's css ;)19:50
plarsI suspect http://launchpad.net/bugs/1172002 is going to leave me with no swap after I reboot from this reinstall20:16
ubot2Launchpad bug 1172002 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Install doesn't mount encrypted swap for reinstall" [Undecided,New]20:16
dobeyanyone on sru team around?20:19
dobeyalso, does anyone know when the EOL announcement will happen for 10.04 (desktop)/11.10?20:23
phillwdobey: the team do keep https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases updated but as we are really at the end of a new release, there may be a lag in asnwering personally.20:27
skellatdobey: It appears May 9th was announced for both cases you inquire about.20:29
stgraberutlemming: looks like your script doesn't know about Azure yet ;)20:30
utlemmingstgraber: yeah, it doesn't :) I still have to have get all that plumbed in20:30
dobeyskellat: ah, where is that? i didn't see it20:40
dobeyah, on that wiki page.20:42
dobeyphillw: ah, i wasn't looking for SRU team to answer the EOL question. i have a couple uploads that have been sat in unapproved for 2 weeks now, and want to get them accepted into proposed so i can move forward with testing and the SRU process :)20:44
infinitydobey: I announced those last month: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2013-March/thread.html20:54
dobeyinfinity: ah ok, thanks.20:57
dobeyinfinity: can you do the accepting of rhythmbox-ubuntuone into quantal-proposed and precise-proposed btw?21:23
infinitydobey: Ask me again in the morning?  Those diffs are a bit large for me to review before bed.21:28
dobeyinfinity: ok, thanks21:28
sarnoldHello all, jdstrand; I have prepared mysql updates for our supported releases. How shall I handle the raring package? The raring version was built for 'raring-security' rather than 'raring', in the security ppa. How shall I proceed?21:46
jdstrandsarnold: we could copy to raring-proposed, but its tuesday before release. let's just use a -2 USN after raring is released21:47
jdstrandsarnold: you can release all the others using unembargo and sis-changes with the -r option21:48
sarnoldjdstrand: again with anticipating questions :) hehe21:49
jdstrandsarnold: upgrades went smoothe, right? ie, the new upstream release didn't cause any weird upgrade issues did they?21:51
sarnoldjdstrand: the test failures were consistent from one to the next, and the wordpress test worked well... though I'm just now noticing that I managed to overlook the quantal build in the ppa. :(21:52
jdstrandsarnold: I was more talking about if a brand new raring server install had a 0-day conffile change or something weird21:53
jdstrandsarnold: I wasn't expecting it, but it might be a factor21:54
sarnoldjdstrand: hrm, I haven't made a brand-new install of my raring vm in some time, I've just been apt-get dist-upgrading it along the way...21:54
jdstrandsarnold: right. part of our testing should be upgrade testing though. Ie, use vm-qrt or the install-packages from the QRT tarball with the current packages. then use uvt repo -e, then do 'apt-get upgrade'21:56
sarnoldjdstrand: oh, yes, that worked fine. :)21:56
jdstrandyeah, then a 0-day security update in raring-security makes sense to me21:56
giliris it possible to respin lubuntu alternate powerpc ? I removed some langpacks to make it cd sized23:30
slangasekgilir: sure.  only powerpc needed?23:30
gilirslangasek, yes23:31
gilirthanks :-)23:32
slangasekgilir: ^^23:41
ScottKphillw: Yes.  Thanks.23:43
phillwslangasek: thanks. gilir Is it now CD  sized?23:44
ScottKinfinity: I don't think there's enough to do about size on kubuntu ppc that it would ever fit on a CD.23:44
phillwScottK: we accept that, it is not an issue.23:45
gilirphillw, lubuntu alternate powerpc is now cd sized23:46
phillwWOW !! thanks you to all who have done this :)23:47
Noskcajis there a chance bug 1172059 will be fixed in time for release?23:50
ubot2Launchpad bug 1172059 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "kubuntu ubiquity encryption doesn't check password" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117205923:50
smartboyhwNoskcaj: We have people fixing, and we have testers:P23:53
ScottKsmartboyhw: Who's fixing?23:53
ScottKAlso a Ubiquity upload would affect all the flavors, so it's not just a Kubuntu decision.23:54
smartboyhwScottK: ah damn it is:(23:54
ScottKSo if a fix becomes available, we'll have to see.23:55

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