[01:01] <moocow1452> So I built and booted Ubuntu for my Nook Color and can adb into it, what can I do about the black screen?
[01:11] <RobbyF> is the galaxy nexus (carries sold version) sim unlocked?
[02:30] <moocow1452> ANyone home?
[02:41] <dell> hi guys I am getting Read-only file system message while trying to copy file using adb push. Does anyone had this problem?
[02:43] <dell> is there a way to copy file to device without using ssh ? mounting filesystem would be great, but fdisk does not show any such thing
[07:52] <liberty> hi - just installed touch. trying to connect to a hidden network, any idea how?
[07:53] <liberty> hidden wifi network, i know the ssid but can't seem to get up a dialogue to connect to it...
[07:58] <dholbach> good morning
[08:00] <seb128> dholbach, good morning to you too !
[08:00] <highvoltage> goooooood moooooooooooooooorning!
[08:00] <dholbach> :)
[08:00] <dholbach> salut mes amis
[08:00] <dholbach> ça va?
[08:00] <highvoltage> tres bien, merci et toi?
[08:00] <dholbach> oui ça va :)
[08:01] <dholbach> lool, salut aussi à toi!
[09:31] <Ramiisleem> hello
[09:38] <Damp> mhall119: Hi, could you ask the SDK Developer guys today?
[09:41] <philipheinser> Guten Morgen
[09:42] <t1mp> Damp: what's the question?
[09:43] <philipheinser> Is there a way to test ubuntu touch  apps in some sort of simulator on a pc?
[09:45] <Damp> philipheinser: YOu can see your own apps in the "simulator" thats in QTCreator. Follow this install guide: http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/
[09:45] <Damp> t1mp: Well, in QTCreator i dont have the Ubuntu Phone templates to start creating apps
[09:46] <t1mp> Damp: on raring?
[09:47] <popey> Damp: have you installed ubuntu-sdk?
[09:47] <popey> (not just qtcreator)
[09:47] <Damp> popey: I think so :) I followed the installation guide that I just posted. http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/
[09:48] <t1mp> Damp: and make sure you have the ppa listedo n http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/ installed.
[09:48] <t1mp> Damp: I had to remove qtcreator, and then install it again to get the correct version after adding the ppa
[09:48] <popey> Damp: apt-cache policy ubuntu-ui-toolkit-examples
[09:48] <Damp> I ran this (sudo add-apt-repository ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-proper && sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-sdk-team/ppa && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-sdk notepad-qml) yesterday and it said 0 new installations 0 updates
[09:48] <popey> uh
[09:48] <popey> what version of ubuntu you on?
[09:48] <Damp> 12.10
[09:49] <popey> ah
[09:49] <Damp> Thats the problem? :p
[09:49] <Damp> I should use the LTS?
[09:49] <popey> no
[09:49] <popey> no
[09:49] <popey> ☻
[09:49] <popey> one moment..
[09:49] <Damp> Sure :)
[09:49] <t1mp> jppiiroi1en: are the templates only for raring?
[09:49] <popey> Damp: apt-cache policy ubuntu-sdk
[09:50] <popey> can you pastebin that?
[09:50] <Damp> Sure. Just let me restart my mac :P
[09:51] <Damp> Ubuntu does NOT work well on a macbook :(
[09:51] <Damp> I seriously have to buy a new laptop to run that on
[09:53] <Damp>  The wireless card on the mac is soooo slow in ubuntu! :(
[09:55] <Damp2> popey: http://pastebin.com/Zt08a4qS
[09:59] <popey> Damp2: hmm
[10:01] <popey> Damp2: apt-cache policy ubuntu-ui-toolkit
[10:01] <Damp2> popey: Unable to locate package ubuntu-ui-toolkit
[10:01] <Damp2> I think you found the problem :p
[10:01] <popey> ☻
[10:02] <popey> install that, see what else it pulls in
[10:02] <popey> qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-ui-toolkit-plugin might get pulled in
[10:02] <Damp2> should I just apt-get install ubuntu-ui-toolkit?
[10:02] <popey> yes
[10:03] <popey> try that, let us know what happens
[10:03] <Damp2> E: Unable to locate package ubuntu-ui-toolkit. Maybe I am missing some PPAs?
[10:04] <popey> ah, no.
[10:04] <popey> can you apt-get install qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-ui-toolkit-plugin  ?
[10:05] <Damp2> popey: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[10:06] <popey> oof
[10:06] <Damp2> Sorry :/
[10:06] <popey> not your fault
[10:06]  * popey points Damp2 at Mirv ☻
[10:06] <Damp2> mirv? :p
[10:06] <popey> so when you "File -> New" you dont get ubuntu touch apps as options?
[10:06] <Damp2> Thats correct
[10:06] <popey> hmm
[10:06] <Damp2> I can screenshot it if you wanan see?
[10:07] <popey> do you have a devices thing on the left?
[10:07] <Damp2> reSu
[10:07] <Damp2> Yes
[10:07] <popey> is ubuntu-ui-toolkit-examples installed?
[10:08] <Damp2> 0.1.42 quantal1 is installed
[10:09] <popey> ok, close qtcreator..
[10:09] <Damp2> done
[10:09] <popey> rm ~/.config/Trolltech.conf
[10:10] <popey> rm -rf ~/.Qtproject/
[10:10] <popey> then restart qtcreator
[10:10] <Damp2> done
[10:10] <popey> does it work now?
[10:11] <Damp2> qt creator works yes?
[10:11] <popey> yes.
[10:12] <Damp2> popey: http://imgur.com/v4ReJGO
[10:13] <popey> hurrah, that works
[10:13] <popey> happy days.
[10:13] <popey> oh, hang on, that doesn't look quite right.
[10:14] <Damp2> No?
[10:14] <Damp2> I still dont have the "ubuntu phone" options? :p
[10:14] <popey> those are the ubuntu phone options ☻
[10:14] <popey> choose Ubuntu UI - Simple
[10:14] <popey> or Ubuntu UI - Tabs
[10:14] <Damp2> Wow! Yesterday I asked if "Ubuntu" was "Ubuntu phone" and people said no :p
[10:14] <popey> those are the templates we're using for developing Ubuntu Touch.
[10:14] <Damp2> Then it has been working all along.. :p
[10:14] <popey> Oh dear, sorry about that.
[10:14] <popey> haha
[10:15] <Damp2> Not your faul! I didnt ask you :p
[10:15] <Damp2> But thank you so much for your help! :D
[10:15] <popey> no probs, any time
[10:15] <Damp2> Is there any place where there are some good QML guides? to learn multiple views etc?
[10:16] <Damp2> And what does: Functional test with autopilot means?
[10:19] <Oranger> Damp2: There is not a lot of guides, QML is very young :)
[10:23] <Mirv> Damp2: ok, works now? :)
[10:24] <popey> Mirv: seems the new stuff isn't backported to 12.10?
[10:24] <Mirv> popey: so could some terminology be better somewhere?
[10:24] <popey> so in Damp2's screenshot I dont see HTML5 apps for example
[10:24] <popey> ☻
[10:25] <Mirv> popey: you're right, the qtcreator in SDK Release PPA does not yet match what we released to raring last week
[10:25] <Mirv> coming soon
[10:25] <popey> \o/
[10:50] <ogra_> sergiusens, no image today ?
[10:58] <Damp> Oranger: Is there some documentation like the one Xcode has? I have seen the ubuntu.components docs, but its really shallow. Where should I look for more?
[11:32] <Damp2> Is there some way to acces the phones features? Like the most basic example to make a "flashlight app" to the phone using the phones camera flash?
[11:42] <ogra_> Damp2, not yet afaik .... this will likely be covered by the sensors api which is still being worked on
[11:42] <Damp> ogra_ thx! :) Is there en eta on Ubuntu Phone yet?
[11:43] <Damp> I bought a phone to test it, and I am wondering if I'm just gonna return it or if I'll buy a computer to run linux to program for it
[11:43] <Damp> :p
[11:43] <ogra_> the 13.10 release should see its first fully funmctional release
[11:43] <ogra_> there is an ubuntuonair talk today about the sensors api btw
[11:43] <Damp> And the ETA for that is? :p
[11:44] <Damp> What is Ubuntu on Air?
[11:44] <ogra_> http://ubuntuonair.com/
[11:44] <ogra_> 13:00 UTC
[11:44] <ogra_> (in 75min)
[11:45] <ogra_> you can ask questions and discuss via irc once the hangout started
[11:45] <Damp> Sweet
[11:46] <Damp> How will Ubuntu Phone handle App installations? Like Android, where everything can get stolen, or like app-store where apps are locked to be installed via the store?
[11:46] <chris____> good morning from Canada
[11:47] <ogra_> thats being discussed still as well ... the current method is just apt like in any other ubuntu
[11:47] <ogra_> but that will very likely change to a per-user app model
[11:47] <ogra_> its all in flux :)
[11:47] <Damp> Hehe. As one who is looking forward to invest in this or not, that is crucial. I hate android. There is so much piracy in small apps even tho they cost only a dollar
[11:48] <Damp> What is the per-user app model?
[11:49] <ogra_> well, normal ubuntu packages always install system wide ... in a multi user setup like on a tablet you want to have some separation per user
[11:49] <chris____> can i change my time zone on the N4 ?  i cant see how I can
[11:49] <ogra_> chris____, see the release notes (see chanel topic)
[11:49] <chris____> thanks
[11:49] <Damp> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes#Timezone
[11:49] <ogra_> it has a description how to change it
[11:54] <chris____> "Alternatively you can import contacts from a csv file. The csv file should be in same format as /usr/share/demo-assets/contacts-data/data.csv. Replace the sample data.csv file with your own version and run manage-address-books.py create to import your contacts. "
[11:55] <chris____> i guess I can just mount the phone to my ubuntu box and copy / paste files?
[11:55] <chris____> i use KDE4
[11:55] <Damp> Ah, I see. I would love if they kept the installation of applications secure so one could make some money of creating great apps :)
[12:00] <chris____> is there a way to mount the nexus4 to my ubuntubox as a device in KDE4 ?
[12:01] <ogra_> chris____, you can use adb to transfer files or install openssh-server and access it via sshfs
[12:01] <ogra_> (sshfs over wlan indeed)
[12:02] <Damp> ogra_, is it possible to make calls with the N4 or is that not implemented yet
[12:02] <highvolt1ge> I would also recommend using "-o reconnect" with sshfs, so if your device is out of range and then back again it remounts.
[12:03] <ogra_> Damp, with an unlocked SIM (without PIN) you should be able to
[12:03] <chris____> ok, i will see about the manual for that.  thanks.  i have only used adb to install Touch
[12:03] <ritesh> hi
[12:03] <Damp> Is there any way to unlock my sim? I made a duplicate at the store last week but I havent tried it yet
[12:04] <ritesh> Its possible to install on Xperia X10i ?
[12:04] <ogra_> you should be able to remove the PIN code on an android phone
[12:04] <ogra_> ritesh, if it is on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices ... else you need to port it https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting
[12:06] <ritesh> found Xperia S and T
[12:06] <ritesh> here the problem is that Xperia no longer software update
[12:06] <ritesh> and its running on 2.2.3 Android, We need to replace with suitable one
[12:07] <ritesh> your next plan list also not mention this mobile
[12:14] <chris____> "Run ip addr show wlan0 on the device "
[12:14] <chris____> how do i do that?
[12:15] <chris____> i assume "device" means "the phone" ?
[12:15] <ogra_> surely does
[12:15] <ritesh> yes
[12:15] <ogra_> log in via adb, run the ubuntu_chroot shell (like described in the release notes)
[12:16] <ogra_> sergiusens, did you see my ping above ? seems there is no daily today ...
[12:16] <ritesh> If you have idea how to install on Xperia X10i Please give me the detail.
[12:16] <ogra_> you will need to port it
[12:16] <ogra_> follow the porting howto ... or find someone on the xda developer forum that did/tried already
[12:18] <ritesh> xda dev not reliable, I found info through portal, still buggy. not function fully.
[12:19] <ritesh> Actually I use Ubuntu linux personal and office also.
[12:19] <ritesh> so I first preffer this
[12:19] <sergiusens> ogra_: I stopped the build, want the next one to be pure raring and also needed you to check if we can copy ubuntu_stamp without the raring- or quantal- in it
[12:20] <ogra_> ok
[12:21] <ogra_> just give me a heads up once youre done, the first new sync needs to be manual to force the version bump (assuming you dont go on at #95)
[12:23] <ritesh> Thanks
[12:26] <Damp> Does anyone know how I kan switch "views" in a tabbed example template by pushing a button in a toolbar
[12:26] <Damp> What is the qml command to make views "active"
[12:27] <ogra_> mhall119, ^^^
[12:44] <ZDmitry> Damp:  You can switch tab by changing "selectetTab" or "selectedTabIndex" of Tabs item.
[12:47] <t1mp> ZDmitry, Damp you can only update selectedTabIndex to switch tabs. updating selectedTab doesn't update anything.
[12:47] <t1mp> ah selectedTab is marked as readonly, good :)
[12:48] <ogra_> lool, fyi https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/AndroidAutobuilds
[12:48] <t1mp> but yeah, selectedTabIndex is the way to go
[12:49] <ogra_> lool, i'll adjust the blueprint once we have more tech details during the sprint, building on the livefs builds isnt possible
[12:51] <ZDmitry> t1mp: yes, it's my mistake. selectedTab is read only
[12:53] <ZDmitry> So about soft keyboard in UT: how I can call it (is it possible ever)?
[12:59] <mhall119> Damp: you can set the current tab index on the Tabs component
[12:59] <didrocks> sil2100: are you still block or need anything else?
[13:02] <poutine> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices <- This page lists Galaxy Nexus (toro), but it is not in the download here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/
[13:02] <poutine> additionally the page for toro is just a template
[13:02] <poutine> is it a currently supported device or not?
[13:05] <Damp> mhall119: I'm looking at the Tabs api docs now. It has two selected-options (selectedTab : Tab (preliminary)
[13:05] <Damp> selectedTabIndex : int (preliminary)) Is this the one you mean?
[13:06] <popey> mhall119: I pushed akari to my ppa, its up to date in lp:akari.. want to upload to the ppa?
[13:06] <sil2100> didrocks: no, it's ok now - should I still get libhud-qt available in quantal, or we're leaving mediumtests disabled for now?
[13:06] <didrocks> sil2100: I would say disabled for now. This will motivate us during the sprint as well to get everything ready :)
[13:07] <ogra_> ubuntuonair.com hangout about sensor handling in ubuntu is running right now
[13:10] <popey> jppiiroi1en: https://code.launchpad.net/~juhapekka-piiroinen/ubuntu-qtcreator-plugins/fix-bug-1170692  - do I just "make" that/
[13:10] <popey> ?
[13:10] <popey> looks like it pulls in qtcreator and stuff, will it make a nice installable deb?
[13:10] <mhall119> Damp: selectedTabIndex should do it
[13:11] <mhall119> popey: if you've tried it and it works, go ahead and upload it
[13:11] <Damp> mhall119: So just selectedTabIndex = 3 for my third tab?
[13:11] <popey> mhall119: ok
[13:12] <mhall119> Damp: it probably starts at zero, so selectedTabIndex=2 would be for your third tab
[13:13] <Damp> :)
[13:14] <nik90> Damp, mhall119 it does start at 0
[13:15] <ZDmitry> mhall119: where I can find something about soft keyboard in UT? Or how I can call it from my code (since qApp->inputMethod()->show() didn't work)
[13:17] <mhall119> tmoenicke: can a developer call up the keyboard?
[13:17] <tmoenicke> mhall119: you mean show/hide?
[13:17] <pmcgowan> I would think it just comes up when the text field is entered
[13:18] <mhall119> tmoenicke: yeah, without a TextField
[13:18] <mhall119> ZDmitry is working on the terminal app
[13:18] <pmcgowan> ah
[13:18] <ZDmitry> I have custom item
[13:19] <tmoenicke> mhall119: you can, but it is recommended to rely on text input having focus or not
[13:21] <ZDmitry> tmoenicke: when my item get focus on desktop I can type just as usual, but on device - I can't see VKB.
[13:22] <mhall119> tmoenicke: any documentation on how to make a custom widget that does teh same as TextField?
[13:23] <pmcgowan> mhall119: whats i the notes app? thats similar
[13:23] <mhall119> as far as bringing up the keyboard when it gets focus
[13:23] <mhall119> pmcgowan: ah, good example
[13:23] <tmoenicke> ZDmitry: is the maliit-server running?
[13:24] <ZDmitry> assuming yes
[13:25] <cyphermox> can someone enlighten me on the actual purpose of the orange blobs around the clock on the image, and one the "lock" screen ?
[13:26] <mhall119> cyphermox: they will eventually change according to the data being displayed
[13:26] <ZDmitry> tmoenicke: ps -A | grep maliit says yes
[13:26] <mhall119> to give a quick visual indication of what the data is
[13:26] <cyphermox> mhall119: ok, like number of blobs = number of tweets
[13:26] <cyphermox> or on the clock it's seconds or something?
[13:26] <mhall119> cyphermox: something like that, yeah
[13:26] <cyphermox> cool, cool
[13:26] <mhall119> cyphermox: it may not be a 1:1 match
[13:27] <mhall119> but more circles == more tweets, for example
[13:27] <mhall119> so you can tell at a glance if you have "many" or "few"
[13:27] <cyphermox> was just curious, I was showing a daily image to coworkers.
[13:27] <tmoenicke> ZDmitry: is it working elsewhere? like in the browser?
[13:28] <mhall119> cyphermox: that's what it will do eventually
[13:28] <ZDmitry> tmoenicke: it works on standard items like TextField
[13:28] <cyphermox> mhall119: great, thanks
[13:29] <tmoenicke> ZDmitry: you're writing your own textfield?
[13:31] <Damp> How does the ubuntu phone save data from your app? If I was to make a notepad app, where would the notes be stored and how?
[13:31] <mhall119> Damp: you have a couple options
[13:31] <mhall119> LocalStorage, which gives you an sqlite database
[13:31] <ZDmitry> tmoenicke: I'm writing terminal emulator qml item for terminal app
[13:31] <mhall119> or U1DB, which also gives you an sqlite database, but will allow you to sync your data between devices
[13:32] <h01ger> so phablet-flash -b downloads+installs quantal-preinstalled-system-armel+mako.img - how to make it install raring? is this because i have 0.7-0phablet1 of phablet-tools installed?
[13:32] <ZDmitry> tmoenicke: that item  can accept focus and keyboard events
[13:34] <ZDmitry> tmoenicke: I thought that calling  qApp->inputMethod()->show() is enough.
[13:34] <ogra_> h01ger, look at the install wikipage, there is a maual method (and i think sergiusens has also a python extension for phablet-flash now)
[13:34] <tmoenicke> ZDmitry: QInputMethod sends you a QInputMethodQueryEvent asking if Input method is enabled for it, you would have to reply with setting it to true
[13:34] <ogra_> we will default to raring within the next days in phablet-flash
[13:35] <mhall119> \o/
[13:36] <mhall119> h01ger: http://www.theorangenotebook.com/2013/04/testing-ubunutu-touch-images-now-with.html
[13:36] <h01ger> ogra_, thanks! even found raring images now :)
[13:36] <mhall119> has instructions for getting and testing the raring images
[13:37] <ZDmitry> tmoenicke: I know. I have replied with true on that request. But for something went wrong. I'll make one more test.
[13:37] <jppiiroi1en> popey: just copy stuff in qtcreator/share/qtcreator to /usr/share/qtcreator
[13:37] <sergiusens> h01ger: well if you have 0.7 you have the ppa:phablet-team/tools ppa disabled
[13:38] <sergiusens> you should enable as next build out is going to be raring only
[13:39] <h01ger> ok, and instead of going the fully manual route i will jsut edit /usr/share/pyshared/phabletutils/settings.py :-)
[13:39] <h01ger> sergiusens, i'm on wheezy anyway...
[13:41]  * h01ger guesses he shall upgrade phablet-tools too :-) 
[13:42] <jhodapp> mterry, ping
[13:44] <sergiusens> h01ger: bzr branch lp:phablet-tools and use it from there... update often though for latest
[13:45] <h01ger> sergiusens, thanks. (though my bzr foo is little i will manage to clone that repo)
[13:45] <mterry> jhodapp, hi
[13:45] <jhodapp> mterry, any idea why nobody has reviewed your MR yet? https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/phablet-extras/libhybris-no-gles/+merge/158160
[13:46] <jhodapp> mterry, that's causes a build failure when I tried to do an MR against libhybris: https://code.launchpad.net/~jhodapp/phablet-extras/add-vasprintf-hook
[13:46] <h01ger> sergiusens, i've been thinking about uploading phablet-tools to debian sid (so it will end up in jessie too) - what do you think?
[13:46] <jhodapp> mterry, I need your MR before my MR will build successfully
[13:47] <mterry> jhodapp, I think your MR might have failed because quantal still has the old mesa, eh?
[13:47] <mterry> sergiusens, is the phablet team ready to switch to raring?
[13:47] <jhodapp> mterry, not sure, but it shouldn't fail, especially when my MR had nothing to do with OpenGL
[13:48] <mterry> jhodapp, well, I can't seem to get the build log failure, I get a 404 on those links
[13:48] <mterry> jhodapp, but I'm guessing that you fixed a ftbfs in raring because the mesa headers changed
[13:48] <rsalveti> ChickenCutlass: tvoss: lool: ogra_: dholbach: sforshee: thanks!
[13:48] <dholbach> HUGS!
[13:48] <ogra_> :)
[13:48] <tvoss> rsalveti, thanks :)
[13:49] <Damp> ogra_ what is all this raring your guys are talking about?
[13:49] <mterry> jhodapp, but since we still build in both quantal and raring...  we need to make the change conditional
[13:49] <ogra_> Damp, the release name of the ubuntu release that will come out on thu.
[13:49] <ogra_> also known as 13.04
[13:49] <Damp> I see
[13:50] <sergiusens> mterry: the switch started to happen yesterday
[13:50] <jhodapp> mterry, yeah...any chance you can add that conditional to fix
[13:50] <ogra_> Damp, all ubuntu touch dailies were based on 12.10 ... within the next days we will switch over to default to 13.04
[13:50] <sergiusens> mterry: we are just waiting on the medium tests thing to shutdown quantal completely
[13:50] <jhodapp> mterry, my MR's build issue?
[13:50] <ogra_> Damp, which will not last very long ... then we will switch to the 13.10 developer release as a base
[13:51] <sergiusens> mterry: jobs should switch soon to only build on raring...
[13:51] <mterry> sergiusens, ok
[13:51] <sergiusens> mterry: feel free to do it for hybris if yu have the time, if not I'll be getting a blanket MR for all later today
[13:52] <mterry> sergiusens, what do you mean about the mediumtest thing?
[13:52] <sergiusens> mterry: medium tests, that run with every merge are still on quantal... fginther and mzanetti are working on it
[13:52] <mterry> sergiusens, ok
[13:53] <mterry> jhodapp, let's switch the config to only build libhybris on raring, then try to merge again
[13:53] <fginther> mterry, sergiusens, the mediumtests have been disabled for everything except unity/phablet so far
[13:53] <mterry> jhodapp, I can do that
[13:53] <jhodapp> mterry, perfect...we can just have jenkins try to rebuild then
[13:59] <mterry> sergiusens, here's libhybris: https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/cupstream2distro-config/raring-libhybris/+merge/160376
[14:16] <rsalveti> jhodapp: I'm on your mr
[14:16] <rsalveti> jhodapp: just had to fix a build issue first
[14:16] <jhodapp> thanks rsalveti
[14:16] <rsalveti> jhodapp: https://code.launchpad.net/~rsalveti/phablet-extras/libhybris_update_build_raring_mesa/+merge/160264
[14:16] <rsalveti> then will take care of yours and the other from mterry
[14:17] <rsalveti> sergiusens: latest raring from ibs has the correct source list already :-)
[14:17] <rsalveti> then later today we need to try the unity-next stuff
[14:17] <mterry> rsalveti, oh
[14:18] <mterry> rsalveti, sorry, was talking to jhodapp above about your merge failing on quantal because the mesa change happened between Q and R, eh?  So your changes would need to be conditional.  But instead, I'm dropping quantal builds for libhybris.
[14:18] <mterry> rsalveti, change coming soon
[14:18] <rsalveti> mterry: we don't need to care about quantal anymore :-)
[14:19] <rsalveti> and this will need further cleanup to use the upstream version of hybris anyway
[14:19] <mterry> rsalveti, just in time for R's actual release
[14:19] <rsalveti> yeah
[14:19] <ogra_> heh
[14:19] <ogra_> "in time"
[14:19] <rsalveti> ogra_: details ;-)
[14:19] <ogra_> :)
[14:20] <mterry> ogra_, fine, "early" for R's actual release   ;)
[14:20] <rsalveti> yeah ;-)
[14:20] <ogra_> :)
[14:21] <mterry> rsalveti, can you kick your job again?  the raring-only change should be active
[14:21] <rsalveti> mterry: sure
[14:21] <mterry> fginther, right?  For CI job changes, the branch just needs to be merged, there's not a manual step afterwards?
[14:22] <ogra_> oh sigh ... it just struck me that assembling the debian/copyrigyt for the android image package might actually be quite some effort ...
[14:22] <ogra_> probably even the biggest in creating that package ...
[14:23] <sergiusens> ogra_: changelog bigger than the orig.tar? :-P
[14:23] <ogra_> copyright, but yeah :)
[14:23] <ogra_> i guess there are a ton of different licenses
[14:23] <sergiusens> yeah, sorry, always use them mixed up
[14:24] <ogra_> "that c file in the debian dir" :)
[14:24] <sergiusens> ogra_: mostly apache for the android stuff
[14:24] <sergiusens> ogra_: /external is going to be the varying one
[14:24] <ogra_> yeah, but we have prebuilt binaries etc
[14:24] <rsalveti> ogra_: jezz, that will be a pain indeed
[14:25] <rsalveti> just say it's whatever is described at phablet.ubuntu.com haha
[14:25] <ogra_> heh
[14:25] <ogra_> i could try ... though i would have to have it ready before the sprint ...
[14:26] <ogra_> then we just need enough alcohol and an archive admin in the bar
[14:26] <ogra_> (and a laptop)
[14:26] <rsalveti> :-)
[14:26] <rsalveti> that can all be arranged
[14:26] <fginther> mterry, correct. Just re-approve a merge proposal to retry the autolanding and merge
[14:26] <ogra_> haha
[14:26] <bcp> Hi! I've flashed Ubuntu on my Nexus 4. I logged via ssh and realized that the sensorservice process is consumming the CPU 90% (I think this could be also the reason why my battery goes flat in a couple of hours)
[14:27] <bcp> any idea how to stop/kill this process and why this is happening?
[14:28] <didrocks> ogra_: count me in for the alcohol, but the price will be high so that I approve :)
[14:28] <didrocks> ogra_: then, I'll take the double for the MIR ;)
[14:28] <ogra_> rsalveti, you read that above right ? and the channel is logged ?
[14:29]  * ogra_ copy pastes didrocks  words as well ... to have a proof 
[14:29] <didrocks> ahah ;)
[14:29] <rsalveti> hahah :-)
[14:29] <ogra_> :)
[14:30] <mterry> sergiusens, so a big merge dropping all the quantal stuff is planned today?
[14:30] <rsalveti> quantal is no more
[14:30] <sergiusens> mterry: yes, was supposed to do it yesterday, but got delayed... that and phablet-land for everything in daily release
[14:31] <ogra_> pmcgowan, sergiusens , rsalveti , whats with monthly-04 vs monthly-04.1 ... do we want to keep both ?
[14:31] <rsalveti> ogra_: I believe we can kill monthly-0.4
[14:31] <sergiusens> ogra_: no, we probably only want the .1
[14:31] <rsalveti> sergiusens: ^?
[14:31] <ogra_> k
[14:31] <rsalveti> I just hate when manta is out of battery
[14:32] <rsalveti> takes ages to charge
[14:32] <sergiusens> rsalveti: lower the brightness
[14:32] <rsalveti> sergiusens: was 'suspended'
[14:32] <rsalveti> guess our network stack keeps it running all the time
[14:33] <ogra_> remove /etc/init.d/ondemand ;)
[14:33] <sergiusens> rsalveti: yeah, doesn't suspend
[14:33] <ogra_> that helps a lot over here ... thogh for keeping the load down during operation, not sure it has impact on suspend too
[14:34] <ogra_> we urgently need to re-do that crap
[14:34] <rsalveti> guess it's a wakelock issue here
[14:36] <mhall119> kenvandine: do we have docs packages for Accounts and Friends?
[14:39] <kenvandine> mhall119, not yet
[14:39] <kenvandine> mhall119, but that is on my todo list for this week
[14:41] <mhall119> ok
[14:41] <rsalveti> mterry: sergiusens: https://code.launchpad.net/~rsalveti/phablet-extras/libhybris_update_build_raring_mesa/+merge/160383
[14:41] <rsalveti> still used quantal
[14:44] <mhall119> kalikiana: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.10/qml/u1db/overview.html
[14:52] <kalikiana> mhall119, sweet!
[14:52] <mterry> sergiusens, do you know why the above used quantal?
[14:53] <sergiusens> mterry: probably because the merge happened but the push of cu....distro-config didn't ... the job still has quantal
[14:53] <mterry> sergiusens, it looks like it started over at build number 1, so it is using the new libhybris-specific config
[14:53] <mterry> sergiusens, how does the push happen?
[14:53] <sergiusens> mterry: manually...
[14:55] <mterry> sergiusens, oh.  hmm.  Is that "deploying" the config?
[14:55] <mhall119> rsalveti: how are the 3 core apps currently being pulled into the daily image builds?
[14:55] <sergiusens> mterry: yeah
[14:55] <mterry> sergiusens, ah...
[14:55] <sergiusens> mhall119: rule in our live-build/offspring stuff
[14:56] <mhall119> sergiusens: so when we change the package names to drop the ubuntu-, we'll need to let you know so you can change it
[14:56] <mhall119> right?
[14:57] <mhall119> does it need to be all of them at once, we can we do them one at a time as the package rename changes land?
[14:57] <sergiusens> mhall119: yup, that's what we talked about :-)
[14:57] <rsalveti> mhall119: right, can be one at a time
[14:57] <sergiusens> mhall119: just gradually
[14:57] <mhall119> ok, thanks
[14:59] <mterry> didrocks, I made a change to a phablet stack's CI config.  But it's not taking effect.  I have to deploy it somehow, but you said the cu2d-update-stack was just for daily-release stuff, which phablet isn't.  How do I deploy a phablet config?
[15:00] <sergiusens> mterry: I'm looking into it... getting an error, might be easier to ask fginther
[15:00] <sergiusens> mterry: supposedly it's just ./ci/cu2d-update-ci stacks/phablet/extras.cfg
[15:00] <mterry> sergiusens, ah..  but you get an error on that?
[15:01] <sergiusens> mterry: yes connection refused... it worked last time I used it so not sure
[15:02] <fginther> mterry, I'll take a look
[15:03] <mterry> hrm.  I get credentials not found.  I must never have set this script up
[15:04] <fginther> mterry, the cu2d-update-ci looks for credentials under ci-jenkins
[15:05] <sergiusens> fginther: I have those, but get a urllib connection refused... ah
[15:05] <sergiusens> fginther: ip change on jenkins!
[15:06] <sergiusens> mterry: fginther deployed
[15:06] <fginther> sergiusens, thanks
[15:07] <mterry> sergiusens, awesome, thanks
[15:08] <sergiusens> seems the change did not have an effect on jenkins though :-/
[15:15]  * h01ger has upgraded (with phablet-tools) his nexus4 to raring but now the ui flickers heavily..
[16:32] <ZDmitry> tmoenicke: may I ask You one more question?
[16:39] <ZDmitry> I'm bit slow. Not admit disconnection...
[16:41] <std> is it possible to install ubuntuphone on a rasberry pi?
[16:47] <ogra_> std, no
[16:48] <std> lame
[16:48] <ogra_> well, make the RPi use proper hardware and it will become possible ...
[16:48] <rsalveti> mterry: happroved https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/phablet-extras/libhybris-no-gles/+merge/158160
[16:53] <ogra_> rsalveti, btw, would be funny to port to the new beaglebone :)
[16:53] <rsalveti> ogra_: indeed
[16:54] <mterry> rsalveti, thanks!
[17:04] <rsalveti> jhodapp: mr happroved
[17:05] <jhodapp> thanks rsalveti
[17:11] <mpt> Just posted the winning layout for System Settings overview on phone. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemSettings#phone
[17:12] <ogra_> what did it win ?
[17:12] <mterry> Saviq, !! my lightdm merge finally passed the ci bot.  :)
[17:14] <mpt> ogra_, the promise of existence
[17:15] <ogra_> :)
[17:45] <mhall119> popey: in this week's IRC meetings, can we get any incomplete or postponed work items from the -month-0 milestone retargetted to -month-1?
[17:56] <sergiusens> rsalveti: lp:touch-preview-images/livebuild
[17:56] <sergiusens> rsalveti: offsrping is going to be switched to that
[17:58] <sergiusens> mhall119: popey you can create MRs against this when you want to add or rename packages http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/touch-preview-images/livebuild/view/head:/chroot_local-packageslists/apps.list
[18:01] <shadeslayer> ChickenCutlass: uh, the root=/data didn't quite work btw
[18:02] <ChickenCutlass> shadeslayer: where is you rootfs?  is it on /data
[18:02] <shadeslayer> I mount it on /data
[18:03] <ChickenCutlass> shadeslayer: are you at the end of init in the ramdisk?  WHere it trys to run /sbin/init on the new rootfs
[18:03] <shadeslayer> yeah, that's what I'm going to check, I suspect it's hanging at the point where it was last hanging
[18:03] <shadeslayer> which is mounting the rootfs
[18:06] <mhall119> sergiusens: noted, thanks
[18:06] <ogra_> did you set root=/data on the kernel cmdline ?
[18:06] <shadeslayer> I did indeedly
[18:07] <ogra_> yeah, that wont work
[18:07] <shadeslayer> oh?
[18:07] <ogra_> it would look for a device /data
[18:08] <ogra_> which it indeed cant find
[18:08] <sergiusens> ogra_: is syncing off?
[18:08] <ChickenCutlass> shadeslayer: I modified the init script drectly.  did not use the kernel command line
[18:08] <shadeslayer> aha
[18:08] <shadeslayer> ChickenCutlass: care to share :)
[18:09] <ChickenCutlass> shadeslayer: modify the rootmnt env var
[18:09] <ogra_> look at /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/local
[18:09] <ogra_> sepcifically the mountroot function
[18:09] <ogra_> thats what mounts your root devices
[18:09] <ogra_> -s
[18:10] <ogra_> ChickenCutlass, why ?
[18:10] <ogra_> ChickenCutlass, once run-init was executed it will be / anyway ...  and /data as a mountpoint doesnt exist in the initrd
[18:10] <ChickenCutlass> ogra_: I set rootmnt to /data/ubuntu and manually mounted /dev/block/mmcp23 to /data
[18:10] <ogra_> ah
[18:11] <ogra_> right, but thats a moot step
[18:11] <ogra_> since run-init will change it to / in any case
[18:11] <ChickenCutlass> ogra_: so that all works -- ut when run-init starts -- the phone reboots
[18:11] <ChickenCutlass> ogra_: even after turning off watchdog
[18:11] <ogra_> yeah
[18:12] <shadeslayer> it still reboots after turning off the watchdog? :D
[18:12] <ogra_> i guess your prob is that you want to enter /data/ubuntu
[18:12] <ogra_> not just /data
[18:12] <ChickenCutlass> shadeslayer: for me -- but only after trying to launch upstart
[18:12] <ogra_> run-init will just turn /data into /
[18:13] <ogra_> its pretty dumb
[18:13] <ChickenCutlass> ogra_: let me try and move everything up a level
[18:14] <ogra_> so what you want is: mount /dev/block/mmcp23 to /temptootmount (or so) ... and then bindmount /temptootmount/ubuntu to /root
[18:14] <ogra_> and leave the script just do its job ...
[18:14] <ChickenCutlass> ok
[18:14] <ChickenCutlass> let me try
[18:15] <shadeslayer> how about just mounting the block to /root directly?
[18:15] <ogra_> effectively we should have a "mount by label" subfubnction in mountroot (and if it knows it is an android base it also should do the bind mounting)
[18:16] <ogra_> so you can just say root+label:userdata on your kernel cmdline and it does the right thing
[18:16] <ogra_> err
[18:16] <ogra_> root=
[18:16] <ogra_> shadeslayer, should work if it has the rotfs at the toplevel
[18:16] <ogra_> *rootfs
[18:17] <ogra_> the prob here is the ubuntu subdir ... it needs to reside at root/
[18:17] <shadeslayer> my biggest fear is that I'm placing my mount call in the wrong location
[18:17] <ogra_> as a toplevel dir
[18:17] <ogra_> shadeslayer, arent you after a plain ubuntu anyway ?
[18:17] <shadeslayer> I am indeed
[18:18] <ogra_> so there ids no need for you to jump through all these hoops
[18:18] <shadeslayer> ogra_: though I suspect I'll need files from /system for things like wifi :/
[18:18] <ogra_> just make sure /dev/mmcwhatever has your /
[18:18] <shadeslayer> that's what I was trying to do
[18:19] <ogra_> the prob with ubuntu touch is that it lives in a subdir ... so that needs compensation ... i'm not sure a bind mount will survive run-init though
[18:19] <shadeslayer> heh
[18:19] <ogra_> but it should ... all tempdirs survive as well
[18:19] <shadeslayer> ogra_: so I just put a mount call at the top of my initrd to mount /dev/block/platform/dw_mmc.0/by-name/userdata as / ?
[18:20] <shadeslayer> or /root?
[18:20] <ogra_> and i think we isitially used a bindmount for /dev
[18:20] <shadeslayer> from reading the init it seems like rootmnt is /root
[18:20] <ogra_> shadeslayer, no, dont touch your initrd at all ...
[18:20] <shadeslayer> oh
[18:20] <ogra_> just set the right root= option on your kernel cmdline
[18:20] <shadeslayer> I tried that :S
[18:20] <shadeslayer> didn't work
[18:20] <ogra_> well, it should
[18:21] <shadeslayer> I set root=/dev/block/platform/dw_mmc.0/by-name/userdata
[18:21] <ogra_> what did it do ?
[18:21] <ogra_> no
[18:21] <ogra_> you want the actual device name
[18:21] <shadeslayer> ah
[18:21] <shadeslayer> you mean /dev/block/mmcblk0p9
[18:21] <ogra_> /dev/block/platform/dw_mmc.0/by-name/userdata is a link ... use the device it points to
[18:21] <shadeslayer> I tried that as well
[18:21] <ogra_> yeah
[18:21] <ogra_> now you are using ubuntus udev ...
[18:22] <shadeslayer> right
[18:22] <ogra_> are you sure /dev/block even exists ?
[18:22] <ogra_> thats an android dir :)
[18:22] <shadeslayer> hm, good point, I didn't check
[18:22] <ogra_> try /dev/mmcblk0p9 and see
[18:22] <shadeslayer> okay
[18:23] <ogra_> (and indeed be sure to have a properly working rootfs there)
[18:23] <ChickenCutlass> ogra_: same problem
[18:23] <ChickenCutlass> ogra_: just reboots after trying to run run-init
[18:23] <ogra_> ChickenCutlass,  i'll sit down on my n7 tomorrow and try some things ...
[18:23] <ChickenCutlass> ok
[18:24] <ogra_> i suspect the /dev/blok thing might be an issue
[18:24] <ogra_> *block
[18:24] <ChickenCutlass> ogra_: so root is mounted -- it gets past the check for /root/sbin/init
[18:24] <ogra_> not sure if devtmpfs even creates such a subdir
[18:24] <ogra_> ah
[18:26]  * shadeslayer will still need to mount the Android system partition to get wifi to work
[18:26] <shadeslayer> so many proprietary files in there :/
[18:26] <ogra_> are you sure there is no linux driver for the wifi ?
[18:27] <ogra_> (do you know which chipset it is etc ? )
[18:28] <shadeslayer> I don't know if there's a driver, but look at https://github.com/CyanogenMod/android_device_samsung_manta/blob/cm-10.1/cm-proprietary-blobs.txt
[18:28] <shadeslayer> seems like it's a Broadcom 43241
[18:31] <ogra_> you might be able to just use an in kernel broadcom driver but lose some features
[18:31] <shadeslayer> hmmm
[18:31] <ogra_> https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/1388591/
[18:31] <shadeslayer> ogra_: can't I just mount the system partition once ubuntu is up
[18:32] <shadeslayer> mount it to /system
[18:32] <ogra_> sure
[18:32] <shadeslayer> and voila kernel just picks up the firmware from there
[18:34] <shadeslayer> hmm
[18:34] <shadeslayer> if I pass root=/dev/mmcblk0p9 it just reboots
[18:35] <ogra_> with a plain unhacked initrd
[18:36] <shadeslayer> yep
[18:36] <ogra_> and an ext4 filesystem that has / on that device ?
[18:36] <shadeslayer> yep
[18:36] <ogra_> hmm, then it might actually be /dev/block
[18:36] <ogra_> s/be/have/
[18:37] <shadeslayer> oh wait
[18:37] <shadeslayer> ogra_: [    8.874121] EXT4-fs (mmcblk0p9): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null)
[18:37] <shadeslayer> :D
[18:37] <ogra_> aha
[18:38] <shadeslayer> it panics shortly afterwards
[18:38] <ogra_> so next question is ... does run-init run
[18:38] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/730772
[18:38] <ogra_> hmm
[18:38] <ogra_> are you 100% sure your fs is proper ? where did you get it from ?
[18:39] <shadeslayer> debootstrapped it
[18:40] <ogra_> hmm
[18:40] <shadeslayer> sudo debootstrap --verbose --arch armhf --foreign --include=btrfs-tools,locales,kbd,wpasupplicant,openssh-server raring kubuntu/
[18:40] <ogra_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-preinstalled/current/raring-preinstalled-desktop-armhf+ac100.tar.gz
[18:40] <ogra_> try that
[18:40] <shadeslayer> then I put qemu-arm-static in kubuntu/usr/bin and finished debootstraping
[18:40] <shadeslayer> will do
[18:41] <shadeslayer> will take a bit to download :)
[18:42] <shadeslayer> mmm recovery has tar, I can just unpack it then
[18:43] <ogra_> zcat /path/to/tarball |tar --numeric-owner x
[18:43] <ogra_> thats what you want
[18:44] <ccvvcc> when is the release date of this great os
[18:46] <ChickenCutlass> ogra_: so that is better
[18:46] <ChickenCutlass> ogra_: just passed root=/dev/mmcblkp23
[18:46] <ChickenCutlass> ogra_: not rebooting now
[18:46] <ccvvcc> how to get the dock of ubuntu os?
[18:47] <shadeslayer> ChickenCutlass: :D
[18:47] <shadeslayer> I didn't realize that /dev/block was Android specific
[18:48] <ccvvcc> ubuntu for android == ubuntu touch?
[18:48] <ogra_> ChickenCutlass, yay
[18:48] <ogra_> ccvvcc, no
[18:49] <shadeslayer> ogra_: can I push the tar to the userdata partition and zcat it there itself?
[18:49] <ogra_> ccvvcc, ubuntu for android is like an android app :) ubuntu touch is a full OS
[18:49] <shadeslayer> that won't corrupt the tar right?
[18:49] <ogra_> shadeslayer, as you like ... as long as it ends up as / there
[18:49] <shadeslayer> okay
[18:49] <ogra_> it should even bring up X
[18:49] <shadeslayer> fancy
[18:50] <ogra_> so you should have a chance to hack it to get a user and an xterm up for further work
[18:50] <shadeslayer> ogra_: I'll settle for ext4 coming up :P
[18:50] <shadeslayer> s/ext4/root
[18:50] <ogra_> heh
[18:51] <ogra_> if a missing kernel option doesnt kill upstart it should just work
[18:51] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[18:51] <ogra_> hmm, though there might be plymouth bits that get in your way
[18:51] <shadeslayer> ogra_: I'll have to write a blog post if this works :P
[18:52] <shadeslayer> oh
[18:52] <ogra_> :)
[18:52] <shadeslayer> and maybe buy you a beer or two
[18:53] <shadeslayer> ogra_: how difficult would it be for you to setup a rootfs build that pulls in kubuntu-active and the armsoc driver for the Nexus 10?
[18:53] <shadeslayer> so that if this works, we can try that out next :)
[18:54] <ogra_> shadeslayer, well, i tried with Riddell to do that for the nexus7 ... but it kind of fell off the table
[18:54] <shadeslayer> yeah, I'm going to have a look at the N7 when/if I meet him
[18:55] <shadeslayer> same process for the N7 :P
[18:55] <shadeslayer> build kernel > enable fbcon > flail about a bit > poke ogra_ with issues ;)
[18:55] <ogra_> yeah, might be that you get hit by plymouth
[18:55] <ogra_> haha
[18:56] <ogra_> ChickenCutlass, did you keep the override files in place for plymouth ?
[18:56] <shadeslayer> I don't like tegra however
[18:56]  * ogra_ does
[18:56] <ogra_> its the easiest to handle due to the binary blob and the kernels are too androidized so that you can usually switch off the android stuff and still build g_serial for example
[18:57] <ogra_> *are not too
[18:59] <shadeslayer> ogra_: you clearly haven't used the TF101
[18:59] <shadeslayer> oh the joys of flashing the TF101 with kernelblobs
[18:59] <shadeslayer> and hitting size limits
[19:00] <dobey> hey all. is there a technical document anywhere describing various user interaction and app expectations for phone/tablet? in particular, window stacking and multi-process/multitasking behavior and expectations for apps?
[19:01] <ogra_> i have a tf101 here ... havent booted it in ages and never even tried to get ubuntu on it
[19:01] <ChickenCutlass> ogra_: yes
[19:01] <ogra_> ok, good
[19:03] <shadeslayer> ogra_: yeah, it's a PITA
[19:03] <shadeslayer> ogra_: I've had it for about a year now
[19:04] <shadeslayer> I went crazy during the time I tried to work
[19:04] <ogra_> the n7 was a pleasure to port to :)
[19:04] <shadeslayer> lilstevie gets the award for patience though
[19:04] <shadeslayer> hehe
[19:05] <ogra_> shadeslayer, so you definitely want to move all /etc/init/plymouth*.conf files out of the way
[19:05] <doomlord> i still havent't got round to trying ubuntu on my n7
[19:05] <shadeslayer> ogra_: will do
[19:06] <shadeslayer> ogra_: something to investigate once all of this is done, fbcon :P
[19:06] <shadeslayer> why does it not work
[19:06] <shadeslayer> and maybe try to make it work
[19:06] <ogra_> yeah
[19:07] <ogra_> will likely need kernel patches though
[19:07] <shadeslayer> fine with me ;)_
[19:07] <ogra_> yeah, with me too ... as long as i dont have to write them :)
[19:07] <shadeslayer> haha
[19:08] <shadeslayer> we can find someone in #ubuntu-kernel :P
[19:09] <mhall119> bzoltan1: can you have someone look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1171973 please
[19:09]  * ogra_ has patched kernels in his life ... but never with code i would show to anyone 
[19:10] <shadeslayer> xD
[19:10] <shadeslayer> I've patched kernels too, but with other people's code :P
[19:10] <ogra_> yeah, that i didnt count
[19:11] <dobey> or is there anyone specific that would be good to ask about that sort of thing?
[19:12] <ogra_> dobey, probably mtp
[19:12] <ogra_> err
[19:12] <ogra_> mpt ... i know he is no protocol ...
[19:12] <shadeslayer> :D
[19:15] <dobey> mpt: ^^ if you're still around, are you the person to ask about details regarding window stacking and multi-process/multitasking bits of the new world order of phablet converged ubuntu?
[19:16] <shadeslayer> fun
[19:16] <shadeslayer> there's /sys/class/leds/as3668/color
[19:16] <shadeslayer> so I can maybe control the color of the LED on the N10
[19:25] <bzoltan1> mhall119:  I know it sounds unpleasant, but that is how it suppose to work. It is a decision made by design -> http://design.ubuntu.com/apps/building-blocks/tabs and  http://design.ubuntu.com/apps/global-patterns/navigation
[19:27] <hey> hi
[19:28] <hey> can touch be downloaded on micro sd card and dual boot phone
[19:28] <ogra_> no
[19:29] <ogra_> there are some hacks to do dual boot on the xda forums ... but an upgrade could break that since ubuntu touch doesnt support it
[19:29] <hey> thanks
[19:29] <pmcgowan> bzoltan1: the new qtc looks great
[19:29] <ogra_> so the hack might just be overwritten
[19:30] <shadeslayer> ruh roh
[19:30] <shadeslayer> ogra_: zcat: write: Broken pipe
[19:31] <ogra_> wow
[19:31] <ogra_> so your android shell doesnt know how to pipe ? or does tar not work ?
[19:32] <shadeslayer> I have no idea
[19:32] <shadeslayer> I could zcat it locally and adb sync it
[19:32] <ogra_> well, it will grow quite a bit
[19:33] <shadeslayer> oh
[19:33] <shadeslayer> wel
[19:33] <shadeslayer> if I place the 'x' after tar it works :)
[19:33] <ogra_> err
[19:33] <ogra_> yeah
[19:33] <ogra_> heh
[19:33] <shadeslayer> so zcat foo.tar.gz | tar x --numeric-owner
[19:33] <shadeslayer> :P
[19:34] <ogra_> sorry
[19:34] <shadeslayer> np ;)
[19:34] <shadeslayer> done, fingers crossed, rebooting
[19:35] <shadeslayer> didn't reboot, so far so good
[19:35] <shadeslayer> no GUI as well
[19:35] <shadeslayer> oh drat
[19:36] <shadeslayer> forgot about plymouth
[19:36] <ogra_> i was about to say
[19:36] <shadeslayer> :D
[19:36] <ogra_> but that would have caused a hard reboot most likely
[19:36] <ogra_> it definitely does on tegra ... so you might be past that point
[19:37] <shadeslayer> /proc/last_kmsg has garbled messages about tty's
[19:37] <shadeslayer> [   57.459863] init: tty3 main process ended, respawning
[19:37] <shadeslayer> but removing just incase
[19:38] <shadeslayer> ah, I don't think I have CONFIG_VT enabled
[19:38] <shadeslayer> would that cause issues?
[19:38] <ChickenCutlass> shadeslayer: yes
[19:38] <shadeslayer> okay, I'll enable CONFIG_VT
[19:38] <ogra_> yeah
[19:41] <shadeslayer> hmm screen flashed
[19:41] <shadeslayer> I'll take that as a good sign
[19:42] <shadeslayer> probably something tried to start but failed
[19:42] <ogra_> yeah
[19:43] <shadeslayer> bunch of garbled messages in last_kmsg
[19:43] <ogra_> mount the partition from recovery and have a look at /var/log/
[19:43] <shadeslayer> ack
[19:43] <ogra_> i think you have it booting ...
[19:43] <ogra_> but still issues
[19:43] <shadeslayer> indeed ;)
[19:44] <ogra_> see if it gets to starting X
[19:44] <ogra_> there is definitely no Xorg.0.log in the tarball :)
[19:44] <shadeslayer> it does :D
[19:44] <shadeslayer> it has an Xorg.0.log
[19:44] <ogra_> yay
[19:44] <shadeslayer> :D
[19:44] <ogra_> you should be able to chroot
[19:44] <ogra_> so you can less it etc
[19:45] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/730814
[19:45] <shadeslayer> that's Xorg.0.log
[19:45] <shadeslayer> dmesg http://paste.kde.org/730820
[19:45] <ogra_> hah
[19:45] <ogra_> it even started
[19:45] <shadeslayer> :D
[19:47] <shadeslayer> whoops at dmesg
[19:47] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/730826
[19:48] <shadeslayer> hmm
[19:48] <shadeslayer> I wonder if I can make it mount /dev/block/mmcblk0p8 on /system in etc/fstab
[19:49] <shadeslayer> and then it won't complaint about missing firmware
[19:49] <ogra_> ir still will
[19:49] <ogra_> *it
[19:49] <shadeslayer> oh, why?
[19:50] <ogra_> you need to copy /system/lib/firmware to /lib/firmware i think
[19:50] <shadeslayer> not quite
[19:50] <shadeslayer> the manta kernel passes the firmware paths, hardcoded into the config
[19:50] <ogra_> well, then create /system and mount it
[19:50] <shadeslayer> CONFIG_BCMDHD_FW_PATH="/system/vendor/firmware/fw_bcmdhd.bin"
[19:50] <ogra_> dmesg talks about /lib/firmware
[19:51] <shadeslayer> mmm
[19:51] <ogra_> but try the mount
[19:51] <ogra_> seems to be easy to find out if it works
[19:53] <shadeslayer> done, lets see if it works
[19:54] <shadeslayer> hmm, nope
[19:55] <ogra_> well, whats weird is that X doesnt show up ... even though it starts without error
[19:55] <shadeslayer> that's what I'm thinking as well
[19:55] <ogra_> might be a backlight controller issue
[19:55] <shadeslayer> nppe
[19:55] <shadeslayer> *nope
[19:56] <shadeslayer> I can clearly tell there's alot of backlight
[19:56] <shadeslayer> the screen isn't 'off'
[19:56] <ogra_> k
[19:56] <shadeslayer> ogra_: maybe it's on the wrong tty?
[19:56] <ogra_> not the wrong tty but the wrong display
[19:56] <shadeslayer> wrong *display* ? :P
[19:56] <shadeslayer> how can it be on the wrong display
[19:57] <shadeslayer> there is just one xD
[19:57] <ogra_> well, output ...
[19:58] <shadeslayer> hmm
[19:58] <ogra_> there is likely a HDMI out internally
[19:58] <shadeslayer> I'll try and get adb up
[19:58] <shadeslayer> then maybe we can debug
[19:58] <ogra_> iirc that tablet supports attaching HDMI with an adapter
[19:58] <ogra_> though it clearly gets a modeline somehow
[20:06] <shadeslayer> bah, no adb :/
[20:07] <ogra_> how do you try to run it ?
[20:08] <shadeslayer> ogra_: put an entry in rc.local
[20:08] <shadeslayer> /sbin/adbd &
[20:08] <shadeslayer> and it still complains about firmware
[20:08] <shadeslayer> even though I copied it to /lib/firmware
[20:09] <bobweaver> Good Idea or bad Idea. any feed back is awesome thanks.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfvCUjf7HJs
[20:09] <ogra_> shadeslayer, where does that  adbd come from ?
[20:09] <ogra_> (in /sbin)
[20:10] <shadeslayer> from the recovery
[20:10] <shadeslayer> it's a standalone binary
[20:11] <ogra_> well
[20:11] <ogra_> it doesnt link to bionic ?
[20:11] <ogra_> (which you dont have in ubuntu, we use libc)
[20:11] <shadeslayer> uh, it said :         not a dynamic executable
[20:11] <shadeslayer> erm
[20:11] <shadeslayer> ldd said
[20:12] <ogra_> file ?
[20:12] <shadeslayer> you want me to host the file somewhere?
[20:12] <ogra_> no, what does the file command say
[20:13] <shadeslayer> adbd: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), statically linked, stripped
[20:13] <ogra_> hmm, k
[20:13] <ogra_> though its likely compiled for ARMv6 ...
[20:13] <ogra_> but even that shouldnt stop it from starting
[20:13] <shadeslayer> would that make a difference even though if it's statically compiled
[20:14] <shadeslayer> yeah
[20:14] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/730844/
[20:14] <shadeslayer> that's what I have
[20:14] <ogra_> i guess you miss some device setup that android would do for you
[20:15] <ogra_> ah
[20:15] <ogra_> hmm
[20:15] <ogra_> hard to tell ... redirect the output to a file
[20:15] <shadeslayer> yeah doing that
[20:15] <ogra_> does sdbd have any options ?
[20:15] <ogra_> -vvvvvv
[20:16] <ogra_> or some such :)
[20:16] <shadeslayer> it doesn't implement -h :P
[20:16] <ogra_> hah
[20:19] <shadeslayer> eh
[20:19] <shadeslayer> no /var/log/adbd.log
[20:19] <ogra_> heh
[20:19] <ogra_> touch it :P
[20:19] <ogra_> oh, you mean it didnt output
[20:19] <ogra_> i thought that was the error msg
[20:19] <shadeslayer> yeah
[20:20] <shadeslayer> it didn't output
[20:20] <ogra_> hos did you set up the redirect ?
[20:20] <shadeslayer> though rc.local magically changed permissions to 666
[20:20] <ogra_> *how
[20:20] <shadeslayer> /sbin/adbd &> /var/log/adbd.log &
[20:20] <ogra_> lol
[20:20] <ogra_> thats a bashism
[20:20] <shadeslayer> oh god
[20:21] <shadeslayer> *headesk*
[20:21] <ogra_> /sbin/adbd >/var/log/adbd.log 2>&1 &
[20:21] <shadeslayer> right
[20:21] <shadeslayer> hate shell :/
[20:22] <ogra_> <3 shell
[20:22] <ogra_> as long as its POSIX
[20:24] <shadeslayer> I suspect I'll have to strace it
[20:24] <shadeslayer> yeah, still nothing
[20:24] <ogra_> you might hang at the echo above ...
[20:24] <shadeslayer> hmm
[20:25] <ogra_> try adding || true
[20:25] <ogra_> to both ends of the lines
[20:25] <ogra_> (both echos)
[20:29] <shadeslayer> ogra_: what then?
[20:29] <ogra_> ?
[20:30] <shadeslayer> uh I meant, how can I tell if it hung at the switch after adding || true
[20:31] <ogra_> if it didnt, you should have a file ...
[20:31] <shadeslayer> eh lol
[20:31] <shadeslayer> It doesn't even run rc.local
[20:31] <shadeslayer> I put : echo "Disabling usb for adb switch" > /var/log/adbd.log
[20:32] <shadeslayer> as the first thing in rc.local
[20:32] <shadeslayer> and /var/log/adbd.log is still empty
[20:32] <shadeslayer> *but*
[20:32] <shadeslayer> I see : [   18.918466] android_usb: already disabled
[20:32] <shadeslayer> [   18.933087] warning: `adbd' uses 32-bit capabilities (legacy support in use)
[20:32] <shadeslayer> in dmesg
[20:34] <shadeslayer> meh, let's just use openssh over usb, if possible
[20:38] <ogra_> well, i'll call it a day ... good luck :)
[20:38] <shadeslayer> bye :)
[20:38] <shadeslayer> thanks :)
[20:38] <ogra_> :)
[20:40] <bregma> anyone around who can help me reflash my Nexus7 with the latest phablet image?
[20:40] <bregma> adb devices won;t recognize it even though I see it through dmesg and lsusb
[20:41] <bregma> I fear I'm doing something wrong
[20:43] <pmcgowan> bregma: whats it go on it now
[20:43] <pmcgowan> got
[20:43] <bregma> it's got a current Ubuntu desktop image
[20:44] <pmcgowan> bregma: then you need to do the manual instructions I think
[20:44] <bregma> they seem to require adb see the device, too
[20:44] <pmcgowan> is sergiusens around?
[20:44] <bregma> I can use fastboot to reboot it, so it's talking to my system
[20:45] <RobbyF> phablet-flash isn't working for me atm, but I think that's because of raring change over taking place atm
[20:46] <pmcgowan> did ogra_ leave? I think he did this onhis
[20:47] <pmcgowan> bregma: have you used adb to the device before?
[20:48] <pmcgowan> try another usb port, check the cable, etc have been known to happen
[20:48] <bregma> well, I've flashed it with Ubuntu images before, so I assume so
[20:48] <pmcgowan> hmm
[20:48] <bregma> mm, right, Pournelle's Law (it's usually a cable)
[20:51] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: I'm around
[20:52] <pmcgowan> bregma: maybe restart the service and ensure its running as root
[20:52] <pmcgowan> sergiusens: bregma having toruble with his nexus 7
[20:52] <pmcgowan> just found http://sergiusens.github.io/posts/installing-ubuntu-touch-preview-on-the-nexus-7-with-ubuntu-on-it.html
[20:52] <pmcgowan> sergiusens: adb not work
[20:53] <bregma> should the device be in dead robot mode or recovery mode or any special state?
[20:53] <sergiusens> bregma: so you have a nexus 7 with what?
[20:53] <bregma> I believe it's the latest Ubuntu desktop image
[20:53] <sergiusens> bregma: fastoboot when in the bootloader, adb when in recovery and android OS
[20:54] <pmcgowan> bregma: the link above are the instructions
[20:54] <bregma> OK, and fastboot definitely talks to the device but adb doesn't when it's in recovery mode
[20:55] <sergiusens> bregma: sideload?
[20:55] <pmcgowan> bregma: from the instructions you need to boot from the recovery img in the bootloader
[20:55] <sergiusens> bregma: or adb in general?
[20:56] <bregma> "adb devices" does not see the device
[20:56] <pmcgowan> sergiusens: is this the first step: sudo fastboot boot quantal-preinstalled-recovery-armel+grouper.img
[20:57] <sergiusens> bregma: ok, how familiar are you with android?
[20:57] <bregma> andoir?  not at all
[20:57] <sergiusens> oh, ok
[20:57] <sergiusens> bregma: power off
[20:57] <bregma> OK
[20:57] <sergiusens> bregma: then follow that blog verbatim
[20:58]  * sergiusens notices that latest nikola broke... hmmm
[20:58] <sergiusens> bregma: change quantal refs to raring ones
[20:59] <pmcgowan> RobbyF: what problem are you having with phablet-flash?
[20:59] <pmcgowan> oh nm I see
[20:59]  * bregma searches for his bifocals so he can read what's on the N7 screen
[21:00] <pmcgowan> sergiusens: flashing busted?
[21:01] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: I flashed perfectly fine before sending my email...
[21:02] <pmcgowan> sergiusens: getting an error latest build detection not supported
[21:02] <sergiusens> today's build won't install unless you have phablet0tools - 0.11
[21:02] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: did you update?
[21:02] <pmcgowan> sergiusens: I just did on raring to latest everything
[21:03] <pmcgowan> the versioning there is wack though
[21:03] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: what is it?
[21:03] <pmcgowan> 0.10.daily13.04.17blahblahblah
[21:04] <pmcgowan> sergiusens: main doesnt have that update yet probably
[21:04] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: do you have the ppa? if you upgraded from quantal it was probably disabled
[21:05] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: that's the prev version
[21:05] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: add-apt-repository ppa:phablet-team/tools
[21:05] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: apt-get update && apt-get install phablet-tools
[21:05] <pmcgowan> sergiusens: right but tools are in main on raring apparently?
[21:05] <pmcgowan> oh no I am wrong
[21:06] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: nope, you still have the one that was prolly installed from quantal or precise (if you updated)
[21:06] <pmcgowan> sergiusens: I see it on quantal, not raring, will do update
[21:06] <pmcgowan> maybe timing was bad
[21:07] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: the package was in 5 hours ago... not sure what happened ;-)
[21:08] <pmcgowan> sergiusens: yep its there, just missed it
[21:17] <SonikkuAmerica> What is the point of putting Ubuntu Touch on the Nexus 4 if it only suppors HSPA+?
[21:18] <SonikkuAmerica> *supports
[21:20] <SonikkuAmerica> I thought Touch only supported GSM.
[21:20] <bregma> I'm waiting for it to support LTE
[21:21]  * bregma is patient
[21:21] <netcurli> it is still a developer version
[21:21] <SonikkuAmerica> Is there a broader road map that will include CDMA, HSPA+ and IDEN?
[21:24] <SonikkuAmerica> Or is that a stupid question? :)
[21:25] <GeekSquid> I have installed the latest phablet install to a nexus 4, I am loving it, My next question would be how can I help, and how can I get help?
[21:26] <SonikkuAmerica> GeekSquid: You've come to the right place for now.
[21:27] <netcurli> SonikkuAmerica: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1303-converged-network-stack
[21:27] <SonikkuAmerica> netcurli: Ah, thanks.
[21:28] <GeekSquid> Next question, when using nano via adb why doesn't the enter key work when trying to write out a file
[21:29] <SonikkuAmerica> Spotted «WiFi direct support is in Android, not clear how important it is for touch tough» inside wpasupplicant: I would think it would be for a couple of reasons.
[21:47] <Minste> Hi. Anybody know anything about the work with mobile data. I know the 3G/4G doesn't work, but what about EDGE?
[21:56] <shadeslayer> ogra_: /etc/rc.local isn't run at all
[22:00] <awe_> Minste, mobile data support is in progress
[22:00] <awe_> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1303-telephony-stack
[22:01] <awe_> it requires Network Manager work in addition to the ofono/RILD work
[22:04] <Minste> Thanks for information :) Looking forward to it, mobile data is the only thing missing for me to use it daily :D
[22:05] <awe_> Minste, your welcome
[22:17] <Damp> I am trying to have a slider in a tab, but when I try to interact with the slider i just switch tab
[22:17] <Damp> Anyone encountered the same problem or have a solution?
[22:19] <nik90> Damp: this issue is being fixed at the moment. The default behavior to switch tabs by swiping has been removed by default. This should fix the issue with your slider
[22:19] <nik90> it will land as an update soon
[22:19] <Damp> Ok, so it is a known issue?
[22:19] <netcurli> anyone using quantal here?
[22:19] <nik90> Damp: check out https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1166709
[22:20] <nik90> Damp: yeah it is a known issue
[22:20] <Damp> Then its allright and I wont file a bug report :p
[22:20] <netcurli> I just updated qtcreator and now it is not running anymore.. symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/platforms/libqxcb.so: undefined symbol: _ZN15QPlatformWindow17formatWindowTitleERK7QStringS2_
[22:33] <rickspencer3> hey, congrats everyone on getting onto raring
[22:33] <rickspencer3> good times
[22:42] <Damp> rickspencer3 what do you mean?
[22:43] <rickspencer3> hi Damp
[22:44] <rickspencer3> Damp, I was referring to this: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg01797.html
[22:45] <Damp> IF I update to a daily image then I'll get 13.04 or whats it called
[22:46] <rickspencer3> Damp, I would assume that is the case, but I am not a definitive source
[22:47] <pmcgowan> Damp: yes the daily is now base on 13.04
[22:48] <pmcgowan> should not see any difference in functionality
[22:48] <Damp> Is there some big updates with this so I should update at once?
[22:48] <pmcgowan> nope
[22:48] <pmcgowan> its just where the development will be focused now, until we move to S
[22:53] <moocow1452> Anyone good with Black Screen Boot Errors?