[01:28] <rjelte> I have a question that's more UK related than Ubuntu, but hopefully you'll be able to help me: I'm setting up international shipping for a web store, and I'm getting some unfamiliar options for "Administrative Areas" (mostly counties).
[01:29] <rjelte> I'm getting some normal ones like Bedfordshire and Blackpool, but I have quite a few that look like this:  (UK13), (UK83), (UK85).
[01:29] <rjelte> Do those have any significance, or are they just an artifact of the internationalization library?
[06:49] <bootkigftrgds> Morning Aloha All..
[06:50] <redtape> Is it release day today ??
[06:51] <redtape>                                     .... as in 13.04 ?
[06:52] <redtape> Right , I'm off for a paper .. I expect a response within 17.8 minutes ..
[07:03] <MartijnVdS> redtape: could be yes
[07:06] <redtape> MartijnVdS:  Ahh-ha  .. I will be installing 13:04 at the coffee shop ... Coffee Republic Ho !
[07:09] <Myrtti> probably not
[07:15] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: there aren't going to be too many changes though.. probably
[07:15] <MartijnVdS> april 25th is official release day, according to the wiki
[07:16] <Myrtti> it's always a Thursday.
[07:16] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: ah.. hadn't noticed that before
[07:17]  * MartijnVdS upgrades anyway.
[07:17] <MartijnVdS> Must be my inner rebel.
[07:17] <Myrtti> usually the last Thursday of the month
[07:21] <popey> Morning.
[07:21] <MartijnVdS> \o popey
[07:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning one and all.
[07:33] <BigRedS> Good Morning!
[08:11] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:11] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:16] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy St George's Day! :-D
[08:17] <SuperMatt> a happy st georges day to you too
[08:18] <SuperMatt> how many dragons do you plan to slay today?
[08:20] <JamesTait> LOTS!
[08:20] <JamesTait> Big ones, too.
[08:21] <AlanBell> save the dragons!
[08:21] <JamesTait> But the dragons eat our users' files and change their passwords and break their networks.
[08:23] <AlanBell> they are just misunderstood
[08:24] <czajkowski> still baffling how ye don't celebrate the day
[08:24] <czajkowski> nor why ye actually celebrate st. patricks day
[08:25] <JamesTait> I tried getting to know one of these dragins once. Chomped my files right there in front of me. No word of apology nor explanation.
[08:26] <JamesTait> I donned my mithral shield and slew him with my vorpal sword.
[08:26] <JamesTait> He hasn't chomped any more of my files.
[08:30] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:30] <directhex> are you sure it was a dragon and not a sysadmin?
[08:31] <SuperMatt> sysadmins don't break stuff!
[08:31] <SuperMatt> I spend all my time fixing stuff other people break D:
[08:32] <mungbean> we had squirrels/rats chomp through our datacentre fibre last month \o/
[08:34] <SuperMatt> good stuff
[08:45] <NET||abuse> great fun, i have to re-connect every day cause sky bounces my ip :(
[08:46] <directhex> BT don't bounce mine, although my DSL was down for a bit last night
[08:51] <SuperMatt> my BT IP only changes if I get disconnected
[08:53] <selinuxium> MORNING ALL   O/
[08:53] <selinuxium> Oops.. Shouty greeting..
[08:54] <bigcalm> VirginMedia only seem to change my IP if they have been dicking around with things
[08:55] <SuperMatt> which is most of the time?
[08:57] <bigcalm> Hehe
[08:57] <bigcalm> Thankfully it's not as nutty as I sometimes make out
[09:06] <SuperMatt> http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/48683090696/when-you-realize-youre-using-your-own-library-wrong
[09:07] <bigcalm> Ha
[09:12] <SuperMatt> I must confess I've been on the wrong end of my own code in the past
[09:28] <NET||abuse> must consider moving isp
[09:29] <NET||abuse> i only get 1024 up and 17000 down,, could do better
[09:29] <NET||abuse> been with sky for about a year and few months,, what's contract exit like anyone know?
[09:30] <NET||abuse> what's the recomendation on isp's in here?
[09:31]  * popey is on virgin cable
[09:32] <popey> http://www.speedtest.net/result/2663970246.png
[09:33] <NET||abuse> mmm not bad
[09:33] <mungbean> virgin is very region dependent
[09:33] <mungbean> they tend to oversubscribe badly
[09:33] <NET||abuse> last test i did was 8Mb/s down, 700Kb/s up
[09:33] <NET||abuse> really upsetting when you're expecting 25Mb/s
[09:33] <popey> erk
[09:33] <popey> "up to" ☹
[09:33] <NET||abuse> yup, kinda sucky
[09:33] <NET||abuse> oh yeh, up to 25Mb/s,, you might hope for 16 or 18
[09:34] <NET||abuse> but 8.... blech
[09:34] <popey> mine rarely goes below what you see above
[09:34] <popey> my wifi is more of a bottleneck than my net connection
[09:34] <Laney> Our new product boasts an up to 100% success rate!
[09:34]  * popey reboots to confirm bugs
[09:35] <NET||abuse> popey: saw the tail end of your interview with brian lunduke yesterday
[09:39] <mungbean> have laptop plugged into a monitor capable of 1920x1200 but only 1440x900 maximum offered ? any ideas?
[09:44] <popey> NET||abuse: it's on youtube now
[09:44] <popey> SING HOSANA, BUG FIXED!
[09:45] <NET||abuse> yeh, was just cooking dinner when the live stream was half way through,, didn't wait to see when it would be ready for regular youtube viewing
[09:46] <NET||abuse> will have to watch it now
[09:54] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:01] <mungbean> morning
[10:02] <mungbean> what a beautiful day
[10:02] <popey> yes!
[10:02] <mungbean> i sit at a window with sunlight again now
[10:02] <popey> it's a "blind up" kind of day
[10:02] <popey> maybe even a windows-open day
[10:02] <NET||abuse> arghghg,, evil day star!!
[10:03] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:03] <mungbean> wow
[10:03] <mungbean> not on mile end rd
[10:03] <mungbean> sirens and pollution
[10:03] <NET||abuse> mungbean: yeh, not on Old Street neither
[10:03] <brobostigon> morning mungbean
[10:04] <brobostigon> morning davmor2
[10:04] <popey> http://popey.com/webcam/
[10:04] <popey> lovely sunny day
[10:05] <NET||abuse> good postelevensespreprelunch12oclocktee brobostigon
[10:05] <brobostigon> NET||abuse: :)
[10:22] <NET||abuse> anyone used soemthing like oric.com to find ways to watch your tv stories without resorting to bad thins?
[10:23] <popey> Bad Things ™
[10:24] <directhex> b-b-b-b-b-baaad to the booooone
[10:25] <NET||abuse> :P yeh, i don't like using methods that could ultimately get me in trouble to watch shows i want to watch. So i have a netflix account(come on html5 version) and I've looked at love film and just saw blinkbox which i'll checkout
[10:25] <NET||abuse> love film just is too limited
[10:25] <popey> I tried blinkbox and didnt see a very good selection
[10:25] <NET||abuse> it's just so easy to use a torrent,
[10:25] <popey> much like netflix
[10:26] <popey> although I watched all of dexter on netflix so that was nice
[10:26] <NET||abuse> yeh, i've been wathcing house of cards.. netflix
[10:26] <NET||abuse> is dexter up to date?
[10:26] <NET||abuse> i found uk netflix is often behind on seasons
[10:26] <popey> dexter is, yes
[10:26] <NET||abuse> oh, didn't realise..
[10:27]  * mungbean isn't sure he would want to watch stuff that isn;t already on UK telly
[10:27] <SuperMatt> if you're using the netflix-desktop program, just press ctrl+t and go to mediahint.com ;)
[10:27]  * popey is using netflix on android
[10:27] <NET||abuse> mediahint..interesting, will add that to my checkout list tonight.
[10:27] <NET||abuse> yeh, i've been using netflix-desktop so that's working great.
[10:28] <NET||abuse> my nexus 7 is dead at them moment, have to rma it, but the compholio project is working fine for me
[10:28] <NET||abuse> i hear they're working on html5 version, but it might be 2014 bofore that happens..
[10:28] <mungbean> what happened to the n7 NET||abuse ?
[10:29] <NET||abuse> well i've 2 n7's, oen for me and one for the missus, her one stopped charging, and i replaced it.. then both ehr and my one again stopped charging..
[10:30] <mungbean> :-|
[10:30] <mungbean> whats the problem?
[10:30] <mungbean> charger?
[10:30] <NET||abuse> i'm really supprised, I only use hte official charger, and i charge my phone for the last 18months from the same charger and plugs as i use for the nexus, but they just seem to be flakey
[10:30] <NET||abuse> no, charger is fine, my phone still charges of it no issues.
[10:30] <NET||abuse> but that's 3 n7's that have just died on me
[10:30] <mungbean> stopped charging while it had some charge, or the charge ran low and wouldn't charge?
[10:30] <NET||abuse> i have both with me today, was going to start RMA on them at lunch today
[10:31] <NET||abuse> i think the latter
[10:31] <NET||abuse> though, when i plug in my one,, i get a flicker of a few lines of static snow on the screen when i try to power it up while plugged in
[10:31] <mungbean> i had that with my touchpad HP
[10:32] <popey> ropey conector?
[10:32] <NET||abuse> anyway, not to worry, google will hopefully replace em.
[10:32] <popey> usb really is the worst set of connectors ever
[10:32] <NET||abuse> popey: not sure to be honest.
[10:32] <mungbean> TP ran low, cable broke a bit, which resulted in the TP displaying the screen all night that says "use a better charger". this ran the battery down too low to re-charge it
[10:32] <NET||abuse> i dont' think so.. seem solidly connected
[10:32] <mungbean> had to replace battery
[10:33] <mungbean> now i'm paranoid when the battery goes below 30%
[10:37] <mungbean> looks like all change in july so gonna wait till then to buy my wifey a n7
[10:37] <mungbean> and maybe pick up a bargain
[10:38] <NET||abuse> what's gonna change in july?
[10:39] <mungbean> new model of n7
[10:39] <mungbean> maybe cheaper again
[10:40] <mungbean> plus the old models will be cheapy cheap
[10:40] <mungbean> google just wanna shift units, rather than profit on these
[10:40] <NET||abuse> yeh, just read on the new iteration
[10:40] <NET||abuse> hmm, not sure i am ready to invest in new hardware
[10:41] <NET||abuse> just spend money on setting up home server.
[10:41] <NET||abuse> and some family stuff to pay for next 3 months
[10:42] <bigcalm> My goodness I hate sql server
[10:44] <mungbean> linux-headers-3.2.0-41-generic depends on linux-headers-3.2.0-41; however: Package linux-headers-3.2.0-41 is not installed.
[10:45] <mungbean> ^^ trying to install linux kernel and headers from deb , as advised by launchpad
[10:45] <mungbean> what's going on here?
[10:46] <BigRedS> are you using   dpkg -i   or   apt-get install   ?
[10:46] <mungbean> dpkg -i blah.deb
[10:46] <popey> so install headers too?
[10:46] <popey> do both
[10:46] <popey> dpkg -i *.deb
[10:46] <mungbean> i did
[10:46] <BigRedS> yeah, dpkg doesn't pull in dependencies, it just detects them
[10:46] <mungbean> sudo dpkg -i linux-headers-3.2.0-41-generic_3.2.0-41.65~spcreverted30ae292_amd64.deb linux-image-3.2.0-41-generic_3.2.0-41.65~spcreverted30ae292_amd64.deb
[10:46] <BigRedS> apt-get -f install will pull the dependencies in if they're in the repos
[10:47] <mungbean> yeah that didn't work
[10:47] <BigRedS> ah, no, you're not installing from the repos
[10:47] <mungbean> no
[10:47] <BigRedS> what does just   dpkg -i linux-headers-3.2.0-41-generic_3.2.0-41.65~spcreverted30ae292_amd64.deb   say?
[10:47] <popey> where'd that come from?
[10:47] <mungbean> bug 1140716
[10:48] <mungbean> BigRedS: it gives the error i posted up there &^^^
[10:48] <popey> you'll also want extras
[10:48] <mungbean> nothing else in the directory http://people.canonical.com/~sconklin/
[10:48] <popey> there are 3 in there
[10:48] <mungbean> http://people.canonical.com/~sconklin/precise-revert-4c443ec/
[10:49] <popey> image, headers, extras
[10:49] <mungbean> in http://people.canonical.com/~sconklin/precise-revert-4c443ec/ ?
[10:49] <mungbean> you are looking in quantal
[10:50] <popey> ah, i am
[10:50] <mungbean> look in precise
[10:50] <mungbean> and v3.2.0.41
[10:50] <mungbean> maybe i'll wit until it's generally available
[10:51] <mungbean> but it's embarrassing if you are looking at facebook for 10 seconds and your screen freezes for a 30 secs just as your boss walks over
[10:58] <mungbean> i wonder if download.opensus.org gets throttled for ubuntu usrs...easily the slowest repo i have
[10:58] <hoover> hi folks
[11:01] <popey> I'm getting ~4MB/s here
[11:01] <popey> 10% [[11:01] <popey> and thats from mirror.ox.ac.uk, so not their box
[11:01] <davmor2> popey: 100%[[11:02] <mungbean> apt-get update takes forever on that line
[11:02] <mungbean> the actual package install is quick
[11:02] <popey> use a different mirror?
[11:03]  * popey wonders if his "which is the best mirror" script still works
[11:03] <mungbean> but the package donwload is quick
[11:04] <popey> what's slow?
[11:04] <mungbean> apt-get update
[11:04] <mungbean> fetching headers
[11:04] <mungbean> just on the Hit http://download.opensuse.org  Release.gpg
[11:04] <mungbean> Hit http://download.opensuse.org  Release
[11:04] <mungbean> Hit http://download.opensuse.org  Packages
[11:04] <mungbean> lines
[11:04] <Laney> google's repo does that too
[11:04] <mungbean> always has done, every pc i owned
[11:04] <popey> yeah
[11:04] <mungbean> takes longer than rest of list combined
[11:13] <bigcalm> Had a shock this morning. Switched on the workstation and got a grub error that it couldn't find the harddrive and gave the uuid. ctrl-alt-del gave the same response. Power cycling fixed the issue. Not how one wants to start the day
[11:17] <BigRedS> I hate UUIDs in grub
[11:17] <MooDoo> hello all
[11:17] <popey> lo
[11:17] <brobostigon> afternoonings MooDoo
[11:18] <MooDoo> :)
[11:18] <brobostigon> :)
[11:19] <knightwise> hey everyone
[11:19] <MooDoo> everyone ok?
[11:19] <bigcalm> Unlikely but mostly
[11:19] <bigcalm> How are you MooDoo?
[11:19] <popey> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/geary-a-beautiful-modern-open-source-email-client
[11:19] <popey> not gonna do it are they?
[11:20] <MooDoo> bigcalm: I'm well thanks :)
[11:20] <brobostigon> MooDoo: just tryinh something new that i found when shopping the other day, butter made with goats milk, on my lunch sandwiches.
[11:20] <MooDoo> brobostigon: yun
[11:20] <MooDoo> yum
[11:20] <brobostigon> MooDoo: yes, and i can have it aswell, as i am allergic to cows milk.
[11:22] <bigcalm> :(
[11:22] <mungbean> is buffalo mozzarella really from buffalo?
[11:22]  * mungbean :S
[11:22] <bigcalm> Buffalo milk
[11:23] <bigcalm> mmmmm
[11:23] <mungbean> what does buffalo mlk taste like?
[11:23] <brobostigon> no idea.
[11:23]  * bigcalm shrugs
[11:24] <bigcalm> Only had it in mozzarella :D
[11:24] <MooDoo> time to go home yet?
[11:24]  * bigcalm is home \o/
[11:24] <MooDoo> :p
[11:24] <bigcalm> Oh, wait a moment
[11:26] <MooDoo> I was working at home this morning before I went to the dentist, it's so much more fun working from home
[11:27] <popey> it is when it's http://popey.com/webcam like that out
[11:27]  * brobostigon fears dentists, :(
[11:27] <popey> today is the first day of the kids back at school
[11:27] <popey> peace!
[11:27] <brobostigon> :)
[11:28] <knightwise> ever since I saw armageddon .. i fear dentists and their drils
[11:29] <MooDoo> popey: my son starts school in sept, having to purchase uniforms and everything
[11:29] <popey> heh, expensive
[11:30] <Laney> send him in a potato sack
[11:30] <MooDoo> yeah and for a 4 year old that's taller than normal, we're having to get bigger sizes.....whay oh why am I so tall lol
[11:31] <davmor2> MooDoo: you have no-one but yourself to blame
[11:32] <MooDoo> davmor2: shush you
[11:33] <davmor2> MooDoo: Well you could blame your Missus but I reckon she'll find out what you said and we won't hear from you for a few weeks while the hospital puts you back together ;)
[11:34] <MooDoo> davmor2: thankfully she doesn't know about IRC and doesn't know it's logged :p
[11:34] <Laney> that can be fixed
[11:35] <davmor2> MooDoo: More than one person ready to drop you in it, man you are popular :)
[11:35]  * MooDoo takes a bow, I thank you :)
[11:36] <Laney> muhaha
[11:36] <knightwise> echo log.txt >> mailto://moodoo'swife@trouble.com
[11:36] <Laney> MooDoo: saw your post about coworking spaces; do you work from home?
[11:36] <MooDoo> Laney: no
[11:36] <Laney> bah
[11:37] <MooDoo> just thought it was a great idea
[11:37] <Laney> need more east midlands home workers
[11:38] <directhex> knightwise,  ever since I saw armageddon .. i fear aerosmith
[11:38] <davmor2> Laney: you are welcome to trundle over to wolves some time and join me and bigcalm and moreati :)
[11:38] <Laney> now what time in the morning would i have to get up for that v_v
[11:39] <MooDoo> Laney: it would be nice
[11:39] <Laney> davmor2: 06:37 train
[11:39]  * Laney splutters
[11:39] <davmor2> Laney: where abouts are you then
[11:39] <Laney> nottm
[11:40] <davmor2> Laney: drive it's only an hour and a half :)
[11:40] <Laney> i don't drive
[11:40] <Laney> could cycle ...
[11:40] <davmor2> That's no excuse :)(
[11:40] <davmor2> - (
[11:41] <davmor2> Laney: Yeah cycle we'll see you in a month, you might be fired by then but you get to co-work :)
[11:41] <Laney> heh
[11:41] <Laney> probably only take a solid day
[11:42] <MooDoo> Laney: looked at http://nottinghack.org.uk/ ?
[11:42] <Laney>  67.0 mi, 6 hours 25 mins
[11:42] <Laney> MooDoo: yeah, thought it was more for electronics stuff though
[11:43] <Laney> although they do advertise it as a co-working space
[11:43] <MooDoo> yeah
[11:44] <czajkowski> Laney: you in london this week
[11:44] <Laney> no
[11:45] <Laney> same problem as getting to wolverhampton, with the added cherry on top that it costs about 85 quid
[11:45] <Laney> i maintain that more stuff should be in the east mids
[11:47] <MooDoo> Laney: there is another place in nottingham that's nice to work at
[11:47] <czajkowski> Laney: find me a venue and we can do a hackntalk there :)
[11:47] <directhex> i am an even-handed and neutral person when it comes to the east and west midlands
[11:47] <directhex> partly because i live right on the border between them both
[11:47] <czajkowski> http://hackntalkjune.eventbrite.com/
[11:47] <Laney> czajkowski: the hackspace would probably be good for that
[11:47] <Laney> not that i've got anything to do with it
[11:47] <Laney> MooDoo: malt cross?
[11:49] <MooDoo> Laney: lol no antenna
[11:49] <Laney> never 'eard of it
[11:49] <Laney> looks trendy
[11:50] <MooDoo> it's not bad, £25 a year member ship quite cheap
[11:51] <Laney> interesting
[11:57] <NET||abuse> ughh,, scp'ing a video down off my hom eserver to work, 76Kb/s,,,,, argh
[11:57] <mungbean> Arm Holdings was the strongest stock on the main index, up 8.3 per cent at 941.5p after it reported a 31 per cent rise in first-quarter pre-tax profits, helping it to repeat existing full-year profit guidance.
[11:57] <mungbean> \o/
[11:58] <NET||abuse> :) I knew they'd say that...
[11:58]  * NET||abuse made bad judge dred reference
[11:59] <MooDoo> NET||abuse: yes it was bad :)
[11:59]  * NET||abuse is ashamed of himself
[12:02] <MooDoo> NET||abuse: so you should be, now give me 15 hail fedoras and 20 I love suse's as penance ;)
[12:03] <NET||abuse> neverrr.... i worship at the alter of gentoo and satanic linux!
[12:03] <NET||abuse> i've never actually built gentoo,
[12:03] <NET||abuse> or done an LFS
[12:03] <NET||abuse> would be interesting.
[12:04] <NET||abuse> ahh, who has time.
[12:05] <NET||abuse> hmm, killed a mail backup i was doing, scp stabillised at 111KB/s
[12:06] <NET||abuse> still pretty crap
[12:18] <NET||abuse> ok, there's a new one.. so the nexus7 trouble i was having,,, the thing wont charge,, qa girl in my office says to me, she had charging problem with her phone, it went nuts and then wouldn't charge off the wall cahrger, but she put it into the computer,, and that fixed it.. i just did the same with my now 3 weeks dead n7.....
[12:18] <NET||abuse> magic...
[12:18] <NET||abuse> well.. we'll see,, the google symbox and the nexus X came up,, then it shut down again.
[12:20] <NET||abuse> ok, google and nexus came up again... i quickly switched over to mains..... and pooof!!!
[12:20] <NET||abuse> ij ust got my home screen... but now it says power off----- shutting down.
[12:21] <NET||abuse> hmmm, how do you stop it booting up and power down over and over.
[12:21] <brobostigon> NET||abuse: maybe ask in #android
[12:22] <NET||abuse> fair point
[12:22] <brobostigon> :)
[12:23] <NET||abuse> oh god.. ok it wnet through another boot cycle, then got static on speakers and light snow on screen..
[12:23] <NET||abuse> for about 3 seoncds
[12:23] <hoover> hi folks
[12:24] <mungbean> how many devices can you attach to one netflix user account?
[12:25] <mungbean> are you allowed simultaneous streams?
[12:26] <popey> mungbean: i dont think there's a limit
[12:26] <MooDoo> hello hoover
[12:27] <popey> you dont attach devices, you just login and use it
[12:27] <popey> it doesn't know one device from another
[12:27] <popey> they probably dont allow multiple device streaming simultaneously, but not tried it
[12:27] <mungbean> hmm
[12:28] <mungbean> even still, i bet a lot of people shared logins
[12:28]  * popey tries it
[12:28] <popey> i share my spotify login
[12:28] <mungbean> with mrs popey?
[12:28] <popey> ya
[12:29] <mungbean> if multiple streaming is allowed then its a wonder they get more than one customre at all
[12:29]  * popey has the same programme streaming on two devices 
[12:29] <popey> but both on same IP
[12:30] <mungbean> The current plan lets subscribers stream to two different devices at the same time using one subscription, the new plan allows streaming to four devices at once.
[12:31] <mungbean> http://www.businessinsider.com/netflix-shareable-accounts-2013-4
[12:31] <popey> nice
[12:33] <mungbean> my whole extended family could use that
[12:35] <Daviey> popey: I was digging through my family tree, turns out we are related. Can i be sharing your netflix pls?
[12:39] <bigcalm> Proxy!
[12:46] <mungbean> is it as nice as it looks outside?
[13:28] <BigRedS> allegedly
[13:28] <BigRedS> I've just been informed so by someone recently back from lunch
[13:28] <brobostigon> sunny and blues skies and 15c, here.
[13:29] <mungbean> been outside, v nice
[13:29] <mungbean> hayfever, but warm
[13:30] <mungbean> 17c her
[13:30] <mungbean> pwncloud y u stealing all my cpu?
[14:02] <BigRedS> pwncloud?
[14:03] <ging> does anyone know a simple way to setup an ubuntu box for texting to allow root login with a blank password (not using ssh key) ?
[14:06] <bigcalm> rz5HjF7Xzm9U
[14:06] <mungbean> nice password
[14:06] <bigcalm> Fiddle sticks
[14:07] <bigcalm> Thanks
[14:07] <mungbean> ssh root@bigcalm
[14:07] <mungbean> # rm -rf /
[14:07] <bigcalm> Yay for cloaks
[14:08] <mungbean> ging: for "texting"?
[14:11] <ging> testing
[14:15] <BigRedS> init=/bin/bash
[14:16] <ging> i meant over ssh
[14:17] <BigRedS> not that I can think of; closest you'll get is probably an ssh key, really
[14:17] <popey> why not using an ssh key?
[14:18] <popey> well, you can edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config and allow password logins and allow root logins
[14:18] <BigRedS> yeah, but that just allows passworded root logins, he wants no-password root login
[14:18] <popey> well you have to allow that initially
[14:18] <popey> then blank the password
[14:19] <BigRedS> oh, I'm sure I tried that somewhere before and it didn't work...
[14:20] <Laney> there's an sshd_config option for that too
[14:20] <Laney> PermitEmptyPasswords or something
[14:21] <BigRedS> ahh
[14:23] <mungbean> you do know it's a bad idea though?
[14:23] <BigRedS> not universally...
[14:28] <ging> so if i set a root password and then blank it, it should let me in with the right sshd config? how do i blank the root password after enabling it?
[14:33] <ging> do i want to blank out the hash in the shadow file? or maybe put ! or * ?
[14:35] <mgdm> that'd lock the account, surely
[14:35] <ging> seems to
[14:35] <ging> but it won't allow me to change the password to nothing
[14:39] <mungbean> sudo sed -i 's/nullok_secure/nullok/' /etc/pam.d/common-auth
[14:40] <mungbean> might help
[14:40] <mungbean> warning : may shag your system
[14:42] <shauno> that looks familiar.  nullok will accept passwordless root, nullok_secure will accept passwordless root from devices listed in /etc/securetty
[14:44] <mungbean> there's also a nopasswdlogin group its worth adding the user to
[14:47] <popey> ging: whats the purpose of this?
[14:47] <popey> i.e. why not use keys?
[14:48] <mgdm> I'm wondering if it's to time how long the machine takes to get 0wned :)
[14:48] <BigRedS> do dictionary attacks bother trying "root" and ""?
[14:48] <mungbean> yes
[14:48] <mungbean> [citation needed]
[14:51] <mungbean> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/10008707/Toddlers-becoming-so-addicted-to-iPads-they-require-therapy.html
[14:52] <mungbean> my toddler has a tantrum if you snap his bread stick in two before putting it in the bowl, or if you ask him to take off his shoes, or ask him to wash his hands...
[14:52] <mungbean> or if you speak "DADDY STOP TALKING"
[14:53] <mungbean> warning : don't read the ridiculous comments on teh article
[14:53] <shauno> that's becoming common sense on the internet in general :/
[14:53] <popey> hmm
[14:53] <popey> i dont think we've ever really suffered with tantrums
[14:53] <popey> maybe I'm blotting that out
[14:53] <mungbean> wow
[14:54] <mungbean> screaming like a banshee for 20mins
[14:54] <popey> they're 9 and 6 now so that was ages ago
[14:54] <mungbean> trashing the bedroom
[14:54] <popey> nope, never had that
[14:54] <popey> nope
[14:54] <bigcalm> Next door has a tantrum prone child. It's quite off putting
[14:54] <popey> same here
[14:54] <mungbean> you can see a tantrum rising up
[14:54] <popey> you can hear him in the morning
[14:54] <mungbean> but if you give in , you become a victim
[14:55] <popey> it helps that my wife has been looking after children for years before we had ours
[14:55] <mungbean> massive tantrum last night because we wanted him to clean his teeth
[14:55] <mungbean> i think its personality
[14:55] <popey> how old?
[14:55] <mungbean> 3
[14:55] <mungbean> they started at 2
[14:55] <mungbean> he is stubborn, so are we
[14:55] <mungbean> he won't win
[14:56] <mungbean> because if he did, his demands would escalate
[14:56] <mungbean> it's like negotiating with a terrorist
[14:56] <popey> we used to use the naughty step
[14:56] <popey> worked well, calmed them down usually
[14:56] <mungbean> there's a place for it
[14:57] <popey> yeah, not often
[14:57] <mungbean> generally toddlers sense that you want to do something on time
[14:57] <mungbean> get out of the house etc
[14:57] <mungbean> supermarkets are classic for it
[14:57] <mungbean> other people come up and say, do you think he's lost?
[14:58] <mungbean> 90% of the time he's lovely though
[14:59] <Laney> stoopid sun, come back
[15:01] <mungbean> i stole it
[15:01] <Laney> asbestos hands
[15:03] <bigcalm> I'm usually quite lazy about my shaving habits. But should I make an effort for my new passport photos?
[15:04] <SuperMatt> I can't remember when it was I last shaved
[15:04] <SuperMatt> not that you can actually see any beard
[15:04] <SuperMatt> stupid genes
[15:05] <bigcalm> SuperMatt: how old are you?
[15:05] <SuperMatt> 28
[15:06] <bigcalm> Oh
[15:06] <MooDoo> 28?  that old ;)
[15:06] <bigcalm> This is what I looked like at 28 http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigcuthy/2749634110/in/set-72157606644018228
[15:07] <SuperMatt> tell you what, I won't shave before the meet on thursday and y'all can see how terrible my beard growing prowess really is
[15:07] <davmor2> bigcalm: I love the jedi look
[15:07] <popey> disappointed you didn't do a hitler tashe after http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigcuthy/2749635478/in/set-72157606644018228/
[15:08] <popey> I might go goatee next week
[15:08] <bigcalm> popey: it wouldn't have shown up. When I broke my nose, I also split my upper lip in two. Big scar down my nose stops things from growing
[15:08] <bigcalm> Haha
[15:08] <AlanBell> popey: monkeytail all the way
[15:08] <popey> hah
[15:09] <AlanBell> raring ringtail
[15:09] <popey> ooh, french have legalised same sex marriage and adoption
[15:09] <popey> \o/
[15:09] <bigcalm> \o/
[15:10]  * AlanBell decides to get adopted
[15:10] <popey> ooh, good idea
[15:10] <popey> a couple of rich sugar daddies
[15:12] <bigcalm> Heh
[15:12] <SuperMatt> shame the french refuse to legalise being another race
[15:13] <popey> que?
[15:13] <SuperMatt> oh, I just think the french are quite racist
[15:13] <BigRedS> hahaha
[15:13] <popey> gosh
[15:13]  * BigRedS mulls the possible irony
[15:13] <popey> indeed
[15:13] <SuperMatt> I know it's a bit of a generalisation
[15:13] <BigRedS> it's also sort-of what you're criticising them for
[15:14] <SuperMatt> I know!
[15:15] <SuperMatt> well, I'm against their anti-headscarf laws
[15:15] <Myrtti> iihhhhh ♥ http://www.flickr.com/photos/gemmacorrell/8499889901/
[15:16] <diplo> Afternoon all
[15:16] <bigcalm> Myrtti: that's sweet
[15:17] <Pendulum> Myrtti: awww :)
[15:18] <SuperMatt> wooooo, I finally have my bind views replicating!
[15:22] <davmor2> popey: better still a couple of rich sugar mommies
[15:24] <popey> I'm happy to accept the horrid imbalance that means two guys will likely earn more in this hypothetical situation
[15:24] <bigcalm> davmor2: popey might prefer sugar daddies
[15:25] <MooDoo> what?  lol coming in halfway through a conversation again lol
[15:25] <davmor2> popey: but you are a lot less likely to have one of them fancy you in my scenario :)
[15:28] <Laney> O_O
[15:28] <bigcalm> The topic may have strayed a little?
[15:29] <Laney> HOW BOUT THAT UNITY!
[15:29] <bigcalm> Tis a wondrous thing
[15:30] <davmor2> bigcalm: how are you getting on with it now as a day to day system?
[15:30] <AlanBell> I should totally try it again
[15:31] <bigcalm> davmor2: fine on my 3 monitor workstation. Still a little iffy on my laptop though
[15:31] <AlanBell> all the new 13.04 hotness should be in place now I guess
[15:31] <BigRedS> I still dislike it pinching alt
[15:31] <bigcalm> Only left alt though
[15:31] <BigRedS> yeah, but that's the one I use
[15:32] <BigRedS> alt+arrow keys
[15:32] <bigcalm> :)
[15:32] <AlanBell> I haven't used virtualbox for a while, I might be able to cope with the HUD now
[15:32] <davmor2> BigRedS: it doesn't.  You just need to keep alt presses
[15:32] <davmor2> pressed even
[15:32] <BigRedS> davmor2: yeah, I think I worked that out before. But I'm apparently not capable of using a keyboard properly :)
[15:33] <BigRedS> I've so far resuisted the urge to remap the hud to some other key, but I think I will in the not too distant future
[15:33] <AlanBell> it was only when the host grabs it from a virtualised guest OS that I got annoyed with it
[15:33] <BigRedS> I've still not used the hud intentionallyu
[15:33] <bigcalm> davmor2: what's the firefox plugin to record and playback web page interactions?
[15:33] <BigRedS> anyway, hometime! :)
[15:33] <bigcalm> Don't seem to have it installed on this machine
[15:33] <AlanBell> the firefox hud integration is kinda cool, I wrote a thing for OpenERP to expose the menu options to the HUD
[15:34] <davmor2> bigcalm: say what now?
[15:35] <bigcalm> davmor2: Selenium, thanks
[15:36] <davmor2> bigcalm: ah right so simple selenium testdriver  or sst is the one we use you'll find it on LP
[15:36] <davmor2> bigcalm: that is the one where you use python to code with
[16:28] <ging> popey: the reason was there was a script that tested test script i needed to run that connects to test machines via ssh and then tries to connect to connect to the other various test machines but the script was not built for ubuntu, i make it work with keys in the end
[17:08] <ali1234> http://jsfiddle.net/NgDhy/21/ ... getting somewhere
[18:20] <ukbeast> anyone on ubunyu 13.04 beta2?
[19:25] <AlanBell> ukbeast: yeah
[19:25] <AlanBell> or on a fully updated 13.04
[19:48] <kvarley-phone> I got a shirt from the Ubuntu shop, ripped open the plastic bag it was in, tried it on and it doesn't fit. Can I return it? The FAQ says they must be as new and in original packaging.
[20:02] <Laney> i doubt a plastic bag counts for those purposes
[20:04] <kvarley-phone> Laney: OK, thanks :)
[20:32] <mungbean> kvarley-phone: too big or small?
[20:35] <kvarley-phone> mungbean: small, I went off the chest size but its too tight on my arms
[20:36] <mungbean> We detected a login attempt with valid password to your Yahoo! account
[20:36] <mungbean> from Turkey :-|
[20:37] <shauno> nice holiday?
[20:37] <mungbean> had 9 chars , letters and numbers]
[20:38] <mungbean> with diificult secret questions
[20:39] <mungbean> something suspcious
[20:53] <mungbean> even more strange was that it was from a mobile device in turkey
[20:55] <shauno> or something masquerading as a mobile device, for various reasons
[20:55] <diddledan> geoip lookups may have been flawed
[20:58] <mungbean> however they logged in , and then went to mail
[20:58] <mungbean> i haven't logged in to yahoo for weeks
[20:59] <mungbean> and haven't looked at mail in > 2 yrs
[20:59] <mungbean> i use it for flickr
[21:00] <mungbean> and while i was in a meeting
[21:00] <mungbean> from 78.180.61.94
[21:00] <shauno> oh it's worth changing your password for, etc
[21:00] <mungbean> oh for sure
[21:01] <mungbean> but it's all a bit weird
[21:01] <shauno> just saying that not all 'mobile devices' really are.  get_iplayer calls itself a mobile device so that it gets mp4 instead of flash, for instance
[21:01] <shauno> it's also a free pass for a lot of capatcha schemes
[21:01] <mungbean> true
[21:01] <diddledan> don't you love when geeks get involved in naming:
[21:01] <diddledan> netname:        TurkTelekom
[21:01] <diddledan> descr:          TT ADSL-TTnet_dynamic_gay
[21:02] <mungbean> 	16:07	Browser	 Mail Access	Turkey
[21:02] <mungbean> 		16:07	Yahoo! Mobile	 Logged In	Turkey
[21:02] <mungbean> better check what app i have installed on my phone
[21:02] <mungbean> if its official flickr one
[21:06] <mungbean> another meerkat on the way \o/
[21:07] <brobostigon> lol
[21:13] <popey> mungbean: where did the notification from from?
[21:14] <mungbean> popey: yahoo
[21:14] <mungbean> they emailed me on my alternative adress
[21:14] <mungbean> kind of "just checking but this might not be you"
[21:15] <Laney> Click this link and enter your credit card number to reset your password
[21:16] <mungbean> lol no it was genuine yahoo
[21:16] <mungbean> and you can see login history on the yahoo site
[21:17] <Laney> yahoȯ.com
[21:17]  * Laney stops trolling :P
[21:17] <brobostigon> yahwoooo.com
[21:18] <mungbean> maybe they were checking my mail for twitter/other subs
[21:18] <mungbean> just got the local freecycle i never realised i had 900 messages from
[21:18] <zleap> so are we going tobe able to get cd's of 13.04
[21:19] <Laney> https://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=1076 these look nice
[21:20] <diddledan> zleap, afaik canonical won't be selling cd/dvds of the release, but you may be able to get copies from third parties
[21:21] <diddledan> such as linuxemporium if they still provide that service
[21:34] <popey> zleap: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2013-April/006307.html
[21:34] <popey> "no"
[21:50] <zleap> ok thanks
[22:07] <Daviey> who still uses cd's anyway?
[22:08] <zleap> cds dvds
[22:08] <zleap> Daviey, i have a nice collection of ubuntu cd's here
[22:08] <zleap> even 4.04 (not complete 2 cd set) but its a wallet and cd
[22:09] <zleap> i think its 4.04 anyway
[22:09]  * zleap has a pc with no cd or dvd drive its a pain sometimes
[22:09] <zleap> blank dvd x50 = cost of 1x 4gb or 8gb flash disk
[22:13] <directhex> there was no 4.04
[22:13] <directhex> 4.10?
[22:14] <zleap> yeah that then sorry
[22:14] <zleap> 2 cds in a wallet
[22:14] <zleap> anyway i am off
[22:14] <zleap> nte
[22:14] <zleap> nite
[23:38] <ali1234> i think i finally nailed the sharing button thing: http://dev.drumoff.tv/share/
[23:38] <ali1234> now i just need to figure out where to put them on the page