[03:22] <user242432> Know how to setup the tablet/stylus on the fujitsu lifebook t4220 ?
[03:22] <user242432> I'm using Ubuntu/Lubuntu 12.04
[03:24] <holstein> user242432: should just be like a pointer, correct?
[03:24] <user242432> Yes, touch screen
[03:24] <user242432> The monitor flips into a touch screen tablet.
[03:24] <holstein> user242432: sometimes, i try the main ubuntu to learn things from
[03:25] <user242432> I found a tutorial for jaunty but not sure it's compatible with 12.04
[03:25] <user242432> it says to edit /etc/serial.conf
[03:25] <holstein> user242432: you shouldnt need to
[03:25] <holstein> user242432: have you just tried it yet?
[03:26] <user242432> Not yet..
[03:26] <holstein> user242432: just try it live.. it'll probaly "just work"
[03:29] <user242432> I bought this pc used without a stylus pen.  I'm not sure if it requires the fujitu stylus or if I can use my finger on the screen.
[03:29] <holstein> stylus likely
[03:29] <holstein> its just a mouse to the OS pretty much
[03:30] <SonikkuAmerica> holstein: Yes, I'm using a Fujitsu T4220 and can confirm that.
[03:30] <SonikkuAmerica> user242432: Yes, it requires the stylus.
[03:30] <holstein> a user in my LUG had one, and we had a hard time with the wifi.. it was off.. not showing up, and there was a software switch that we needed to turn the wifi chip on with from windows
[03:30] <SonikkuAmerica> What.
[03:31] <SonikkuAmerica> From Windows? Was it a Wubi install?
[03:31] <holstein> luckily he was dual booting, so i went to the site and got the utility, and installed it in xp, and turned the wifi chip on
[03:31] <SonikkuAmerica> Odd.
[03:31] <holstein> SonikkuAmerica: tbh, i dont know.. but i dont think so. i think it was a normal dual boot setup
[03:31] <holstein> SonikkuAmerica: he came to me not being able to get the wifi working, and thats what i did.. made the wifi work
[03:31] <SonikkuAmerica> user242432: What model is your Fujitsu?
[03:32] <user242432> i tested wifi under fedora and it worked.  There's a slider switch on the side to activate it.
[03:32] <user242432> exact model..not sure.
[03:32] <holstein> there was no slider on this model.. it was old
[03:32] <SonikkuAmerica> holstein: Hm. I know most Fujitsu convertible tablet PCs have a hardware switch... mine is no exception.
[03:32] <holstein> i assure you this one had none
[03:32] <SonikkuAmerica> "Verily, verily..."
[03:33] <holstein> and, we "fixed" it by installing the utility
[03:33] <SonikkuAmerica> Yeah, the thing has shock sensor stuff and the whole works.
[03:33] <SonikkuAmerica> That reminds me, I have to go reinstall VBox
[03:33] <holstein> this has a "windows 98" sticker on it, from what i remember
[03:33]  * SonikkuAmerica whistles
[03:33] <user242432> SonikkuAmerica.. Did you get the stylus working?
[03:34] <holstein> user242432: it works out of the box
[03:34] <SonikkuAmerica> user242432: As a mouse, yes...
[03:34] <holstein> user242432: its like a mouse
[03:34] <SonikkuAmerica> OOTB
[03:34] <holstein> user242432: you dont do anything to "get it working". it just works
[03:34] <holstein> but, its not a touch screen, if its like SonikkuAmerica and my friend's
[03:34] <SonikkuAmerica> holstein: Not a capacitive one, that is.
[03:34] <user242432> Ok.  So i don't need to edit /etc/serial.conf then.
[03:35] <holstein> user242432: you shouldnt need to do *anything*
[03:35] <user242432> I ordered a stylus from the US. Just waiting for it to arrive.
[03:35] <SonikkuAmerica> Pen touch screens are known as a special type of resistive touch screen.
[03:35] <holstein> user242432: you can maybe use a part of a potato chip bag
[03:36] <holstein> maybe not.. but it wouldnt hurt to try..
[03:36] <user242432> Does this stylus connect to the pc with a cable?  How does it work?
[03:36] <SonikkuAmerica> holstein: I doubt that'll work as a stylus... there's a chip inside the stylus that interacts with the screen on the same channel.
[03:36] <holstein> user242432: check the manual at the site.. the one i saw had no cable
[03:36] <user242432> how does the pc detect the stylus ?  that's what i can't understand
[03:36] <holstein> SonikkuAmerica: yeah.. i think the potato chip bag trick works on the ones you can use your finger on
[03:36] <SonikkuAmerica> holstein: Like Palm Pilots.
[03:36] <holstein> user242432: the chip that SonikkuAmerica just referenced
[03:37] <user242432> wifi you mean.
[03:37] <holstein> user242432: no..
[03:37] <holstein> user242432: far from that.. just via the screen...
[03:37] <SonikkuAmerica> http://www.tablet4u.co.uk/techinfo.html <<< Here's a good explanation, complete with diagram. It's an electromagnetic resistance touch screen.
[03:39] <user242432> thanks for that.  Looks like i'll just have to wait for the stylus to arrive then.. Otherwise the PC seems to work fine.
[03:39] <user242432> audio is slightly tinny though.
[03:40] <SonikkuAmerica> It would be... it's just a cheap chip.
[05:44] <hammommah> greetings I am having some troule connecting via ssh from outside my local network. I have port 22 forwarded. I am currently running 4 csgo servers and a minecraft server. I can ping my server from outside. I can ssh into server from within my local network no worries. Any suggestions on where to look. When I try to connect from outside I get "No route to host" this is a headless ubuntu server, ive tried asking in there channel ut no one is there. I use
[05:44] <hammommah> lubuntu on all other pc's
[07:26] <x5ives> On launching Synaptic Package Manager I get errors: http://pastebin.com/HPqZ8zv8, this happened after reloading package info. If it helps I just installed lubuntu without an internet connection.
[07:38] <user242432> Real bad crackly audio on my fujitsu lifebook t4220.   Audio worked fine on fedora 15.  Any idea how to fix?
[07:38] <user242432> Should i install pusle? If so, what's the full suite of apps needed?
[07:39] <user242432> pulse
[07:39] <x5ives> *tumbleweed*
[07:40] <x5ives> It's quite quiet here right now...
[07:41] <user242432> x5ives.. Shhh..let them meditate upon my questions ;- )
[07:42] <x5ives> I've been waiting twelve minutes on my issue, you're the first to message since then.
[07:44] <user242432> Don't forget #ubuntu  and #lxde chatrooms.
[07:45] <user242432> I might have to "do the rounds" myself soon.
[07:46] <user242432> like now.  :- )
[07:57] <x5ives> Wait, you're in using Ubuntu? Why didn't you go to #ubuntu first?
[07:58] <user242432> I'm there now asking.
[07:58] <x5ives> Yeah but why did you come here fisrt?
[07:58] <x5ives> *first
[07:58] <x5ives> If you're running Ubuntu.
[07:58] <user242432> Because I'm using the lubuntu desktop suite
[07:58] <user242432> ubuntu + lxde.  Well it says i have Lubuntu at bootup now.
[07:59] <x5ives> Ahh, did you install the metapackage.
[07:59] <x5ives> ?
[07:59] <user242432> yes
[07:59] <user242432> i used the mini.iso net installer
[08:00] <x5ives> Did you do it because gnome was too needy for your computer?
[08:00] <user242432> I stick to what I know best: lxde & i know a lot of tweaks for it.
[08:01] <x5ives> Fair enough, just wondering 'cause that's why I did it. What OS did you first use LXDE in?
[08:01] <user242432> hmm can't remember now...Was a long time ago.  Probably Debian or Ubuntu.
[08:01] <x5ives> Ubuntu used LXDE?
[08:02] <x5ives> Or did you install it manually?
[08:02] <user242432> I used the mini installer for a long time, although I could have used the official Lubuntu..can't remember.
[08:03] <x5ives> What made you decide to use it, just wanted to try it out?
[08:03] <wxl> x5ives: google helps. http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/e-the-package-lists-or-status-file-could-not-be-parsed-or-opened/
[08:03] <user242432> it's closeness to windows so it's easy to use for noobs and windows users.
[08:04] <user242432> A windows user can easily transition to lxde without much hastles.  Well I have no complaints from them ;- )
[08:04] <wxl> user242432: ubuntu + lxde != lubuntu. e.g. pulse? not in lubuntu.
[08:05] <user242432> wxl:  I used the ubuntu mini.iso web installer and I selected lubuntu desktop suite.
[08:05] <wxl> user242432: so how did you end up with pulse?
[08:06] <user242432> I didn't... I used pulse in fedora.
[08:06] <user242432> I want to install pulse but what metapackages do I need?
[08:06] <wxl> oh i misread that message up there.
[08:06] <wxl> pulse doesn't change your audio drivers
[08:07] <wxl> what drivers did you use in fedora? what are you using now?
[08:07] <wxl> are they different versions?
[08:07] <wxl> what about the kernel version?
[08:07] <wxl> this can help you kind of figure this all out, or at least get closer to the problem.
[08:08] <wxl> lspci -vvnn should give you plenty of information, though you'll have to dig for your audio device
[08:08] <user242432> Not sure. I'd have to reboot F15.  Checking my drivers.. brb
[08:09] <x5ives> wxl: #ubuntu basically gave me the same info, but thanks anyway :).
[08:10] <wxl> x5ives: and it didn't work?
[08:10] <x5ives> Slow internet, still performing apt-get update.
[08:10] <wxl> user242432: lspci -vvnn | grep --after-context=10 -i audio should hone in on the specifics
[08:10] <user242432> Chipset:  Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
[08:11] <wxl> user242432: yeah yeah it's the driver the matters. i'm asking you to compare the drivers used on both os's
[08:11] <wxl> if one is using driver_a and one is using driver_b you should probably use the one that works :)
[08:11] <user242432> This is why I ask about Pulse:
[08:11] <user242432> I recently had a problem with usb audio not working in alsa.  Then I installed Pulse and it worked fine.
[08:12] <user242432> So I'm assuming..just install Pulse and make it work.
[08:12] <wxl> you can certainly try
[08:12] <wxl> !info pulseaudio | user242432
[08:13] <x5ives> Sorry about that, accidentally closed pidgin.
[08:13] <user242432> So I'm sifting through apt-cache looking for which pulse metapackage I need.....
[08:14] <user242432> found pavucontrol (yes i want that)...and?
[08:14] <wxl> user242432: uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh pulseaudio
[08:15] <user242432> ah..i was searching for "apt-cache search pulse"
[08:15] <wxl> pulseaudio will instlal just about everything and as long as you don't request no recomments you'll get pauvucontrol etc
[08:16] <user242432> ok installing.
[08:23] <user242432> Didn't work & external speakers don't work either.
[08:24] <user242432> Will have to test again in fedora & check drivers etc.
[08:25] <user242432> I'll check my driver options.  Sometimes *buntu disables driver options.
[08:33] <user242432> Where's the file that shows what driver optons are enabled?
[08:34] <x5ives> Synaptic was open while performing apt-get update, I'm doing it again now, will it download everything again or just what it needs?
[08:34] <x5ives> Like, what it already downloaded before, it won't download again right?
[08:34] <x5ives> Never mind, it's done.
[08:34] <user242432> x5lives...just shutdown synaptic..  It should run the update manager automatically later on anyway
[08:35] <wxl> x5ives: synaptic and apt-get are trying to do the same thing. actually one should lock out the other one being used. they conflict with one another. only one at a time.
[08:35] <wxl> x5ives: you might run into further issues  because of that.
[08:35] <wxl> user242432: it sppears modinfo should give you potential parameters
[08:36] <user242432> wxl..yes, but where is the file in /proc or wherever that stores records the options?
[08:36] <wxl> /proc/modules afaik
[08:37] <x5ives> I know, I know, I closed Synaptic, apt-get update -ed, now I'm reloading package info in Synaptic.
[08:38] <x5ives> apt-get update didn't return any errors this time.
[08:38] <wxl> x5ives: technically they use the same info, so if you apt-get update there's no need to update synaptic :)
[08:39] <x5ives> Figured as much, why are some thing failing in Synaptic then?
[08:39] <x5ives> *things
[08:39] <x5ives> And what does "Hit" mean?
[08:39] <wxl> hard to say
[08:39] <wxl> i don't use synaptic
[08:39] <wxl> it's an unnecessary front end
[08:40] <wxl> it can have its own errors
[08:40] <x5ives> Well, it's easy to search for packages in Synaptic.
[08:40] <wxl> so it is with apt-cache search something
[08:41] <Myrtti> synaptic makes it easy to browse for packages, but it's not particularly good or fast in comparison to apt-cache
[08:41] <x5ives> So that's the command! I had a feeling there was an apt-get search!
[08:41] <wxl> :)
[08:41] <wxl> also there's apt-cache show which will give more info on a particular package
[08:41] <wxl> don't sudo apt-cache
[08:41] <wxl> not necessary
[08:41] <x5ives> Just 'apt-cache query'?
[08:41] <Myrtti> search or show
[08:42] <Myrtti> apt-cache search plymouth, apt-cache show plymouth
[08:42] <Myrtti> etc.
[08:42] <wxl> technically it has other possibilities, but those are the things you'd probably most use.
[08:42] <wxl> either that or dotty (NOT)
[08:42] <Unit193> apt-cache policy can be quite useful as well.  apt-cache alone will tell you some more.
[08:42] <x5ives> What is plymouth, I you're just using it as an example package but I'm still curious.
[08:43] <wxl> x5ives: more or less the boot up screen that's got lubuntu on it :)
[08:43] <x5ives> Thanks, wondered that for some time.
[08:43] <x5ives> What's dotty?
[08:43] <wxl> hahahahah
[08:44] <wxl> dotty - Generate package graphs for GraphViz
[08:44] <wxl> if that don't make sense, don't sweat it. it don't to most.
[08:45] <x5ives> And what's GraphViz?
[08:45] <wxl> !info graphviz | x5ives
[08:46] <wxl> i should add, even to those that that makes sense, it still isn't necessarily useful or commonly used. i wouldn't sweat not grokking it.
[08:47] <wxl> when i had discrete math classes i composed all my notes in LaTeX (typsetting engine, kind of like what you wish html was) and used GraphViz to make e.g. tree diagrams and things. most people don't/won't/wouldn't use it.
[08:47] <Myrtti> mmmm latex
[08:47] <x5ives> What you wish html was?
[08:47] <Myrtti> I should install it again
[08:48] <wxl> x5ives: just nevermind :)
[08:48] <wxl> Myrtti: it's good!
[08:48] <Unit193> Rabbit hole...
[08:48] <Myrtti> I know, I used it at work and I do my CV with it
[08:52] <x5ives> How do I find accurate internet speed, Connection information gives 100 Mb/s, that's not right.
[08:53] <x5ives> I'll be back...
[10:37] <rdress> help
[10:47] <x5ives> What's the problem?
[10:52] <x5ives> If a program should run with only 'Depends' packages what is contained in 'Recommends' and 'Suggests'?
[12:38] <meerkat> hello. I'm looking for some torrents to seed for 13.04. Which lubuntu versions eat the most traffic?
[12:42] <x5ives> Is there a command to list a package's download size?
[12:44] <Myrtti> apt-cache show shows that
[12:45] <x5ives> Specifically, how would I do it?
[12:45] <x5ives> 'apt-cache search doesn
[12:45] <x5ives> oops
[12:46] <x5ives> 'apt-cache search' doesn't seem to show download sizes.
[12:51] <x5ives> Found this http://askubuntu.com/questions/35956/how-to-see-size-of-a-package-in-terminal-prior-to-downloading, top answer suggests apt-cache --no-all-versions show $package | grep '^Size: '
[12:52] <x5ives> I tried apt-cache --no-all-versions show $kate | grep '^Size: ' but it returns E: No packages found, kate is a text editor.
[12:52] <x5ives> Example package.
[12:56] <x5ives> Someone on #ubuntu suggested 'apt-cache show packagename'
[12:56] <Myrtti> yeah I don't know why you tried $kate
[12:57] <Myrtti> myrtti@kengu:~$ apt-cache --no-all-versions show kate |grep ^Size:
[12:57] <Myrtti> Size: 878802
[12:57] <x5ives> apt-cache --no-all-versions show $package | grep '^Size: '
[12:58] <x5ives> ^ the example.
[12:58] <x5ives> Do you see why I tried $kate?
[12:59] <Myrtti> because the example writer assumed too much, or too little
[12:59] <Myrtti> assumptions are bad :-(
[12:59] <x5ives> True that.
[12:59] <x5ives> But is that the download size?
[13:00] <Myrtti> well I just tried with an app that I've installed recently and the size matches with the cached deb file
[13:01] <Myrtti> so I suppose yet.
[13:01] <Myrtti> yes.
[13:02] <x5ives> You and someone from #ubuntu just hiveminded.
[13:02] <Myrtti> oh, I'm wasting my time since you're already being responded to elsewhere.
[13:02] <Myrtti> yeah, LjL is like that.
[13:02] <x5ives> You know them?
[13:02] <Myrtti> sure.
[13:02] <x5ives> Hah.
[13:02] <x5ives> Should that be an assumption?
[13:03] <x5ives> Are they like semi-famous in the Ubuntu community or something?
[13:03] <Myrtti> LjL and I are both long time participants on Ubuntu IRC community.
[13:04] <x5ives> Ahhh.
[13:04] <Myrtti> anyhoo, glad you got an answer
[13:04] <x5ives> Is 'Size' in bytes?
[13:05] <x5ives> Just regular bytes...
[13:05] <x5ives> ?
[13:06] <Myrtti> google says yes.
[13:07] <Myrtti> or rather, 'info ls'
[13:07] <x5ives> Ahh, thanks, sorry for being pushy, next time I'll google it myself.
[13:07] <x5ives> How is google akin to 'info ls'?
[13:07] <Myrtti> don't worry, I got interested myself
[13:08] <x5ives> Should have a 'b'.
[13:08] <Myrtti> google pointed me to an answer that quoted info ls
[13:09] <x5ives> Ohhhh..
[13:09] <Myrtti> "Normally the size is printed as a byte count without punctuation"
[13:10] <x5ives> How did you find that so fast? 'info ls' look like a looooong document.
[13:11] <x5ives> And there generally is no ctrl+f in terminal emulators.
[13:11] <x5ives> What does this '_o>' mean?
[13:12] <x5ives> Is that meant to look like command prompt stuffs, if I'm using the correct term.
[13:12] <x5ives> Oh my! I'm spot on!
[13:12] <x5ives> With the term that is, was I right though
[13:12] <x5ives> ?
[13:13] <Myrtti> no, a person giving a salute ;-)
[13:13] <Myrtti> but yes, command prompt is what it looks like
[13:13] <x5ives> Yeh, that was half-guess too, woot!
[13:15] <x5ives> I get the 'o>' being the head and arm, but what's the '_' looks like their other arm pointing straight left, that's not right is it?
[13:17] <x5ives> On a more related note, how about a command for listing a package and all it's dependencies' download size?
[13:17] <x5ives> In total.
[13:24] <x5ives> Myrtti: ?
[13:25] <Myrtti> sorry, had to call opticians
[13:25] <x5ives> No problem.
[13:26] <Myrtti> well I suppose you could simulate the fetching
[13:26] <x5ives> What's wrong with your eyes, if you don't mind me asking?
[13:26] <x5ives> And what do you mean by that?
[13:27] <Myrtti> nature had a revenge on me, I was mowing the lawn on Sunday and the lawnmower ate my glasses
[13:27] <Myrtti> :-D
[13:27] <x5ives> Ahh, but why do you have glasses in the first place?
[13:29] <x5ives> Short or far sighted? Or something else?
[13:29] <x5ives> Just curious, you don't have to answer.
[13:29] <x5ives> Especially since this is #lubuntu.
[13:33] <Myrtti> yeah I can't actually wrangle man to give me enough information on how you'd get the total amount, apt-get -s doesn't print the size of the files it seems
[13:36] <x5ives> Although I'm going to do this in a sec, did you try info instead?
[13:37] <Myrtti> in this case it contains the exact same info as man
[13:39] <x5ives> Seriously, exact? I thought they were meant to be different?
[13:42] <Myrtti> developers and document writers take shortcuts sometimes
[13:44] <x5ives> I think it's more consistent to include a note in one of the pages explaining how to read the other one.
[17:34] <x5ives> How do I change my default window manager?
[17:46] <x5ives> Sorry, didn't meant to disconnect before, figured it out.
[17:47] <x5ives> Is there a way I can make xfwm4 look like openbox-lubuntu?
[18:10] <x5ives> Never mind.
[20:50] <ElTimo> Is there any way to increase the amount of ram used by an intel GPU?
[22:05] <Rafale> Hi buddy, someone speak French ? :)
[22:35] <bjrohan> Hello. When I install packages,  I get the following error
[22:35] <bjrohan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5599580/
[22:36] <genii-around> bjrohan: "no space left on device" seems fairly self-explanatory :)
[22:37] <genii-around> eg: the /boot partition is full
[22:37] <bjrohan> Hmm, because it only gives that when it comes to the kernel, I have installed many other programs all the while getting the message
[22:38] <bjrohan> Nevermind I see
[22:39] <bjrohan> /dev/sda1                   233191    230673         0 100% /boot
[22:40] <genii-around> bjrohan: So the idea would be to uninstall all the obsolete linux-image-<oldversions-still-in-there>
[22:40] <bjrohan> I suppose now I should  figure out how to remedy that
[22:40] <bjrohan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5599586/
[22:41] <bjrohan> How would I do that
[22:43] <phillw> bjrohan: you can use synaptics package manager, let me just dig you up a link for instructions
[22:44] <genii-around> bjrohan: first do: uname -r   to know what current kernel you have. then ls /boot    to see what previous ones are there. Then sudo apt-get remove linux-image-<previous-numbered-one-here>      for each of the older ones
[22:44] <bjrohan> the package manager won't start?
[22:44] <bjrohan> :-(
[22:44] <bjrohan> I did the uname -r
[22:44] <bjrohan> I then did a dpkg --list | grep linux-image
[22:45] <bjrohan> I have the list of all the old ones installed
[22:45] <bjrohan> Now just remove
[22:45] <genii-around> bjrohan: Ah, good. You can use that list, aye
[22:48] <bjrohan> Leave say the newest 3? Also should I remove the ones with extra in them?
[22:49] <genii-around> bjrohan: You can remove the "extras" packages for each older kernel if you like, or later it will usually say something about using apt-get autoremove when you do another install/update
[22:50] <bjrohan> ok
[22:50] <bjrohan> Thanks!
[22:50] <genii-around> bjrohan: The latest 3 is fairly good, I'd say. That's what I keep around
[22:52] <bjrohan> How can I remedy the package manager not starting? I click the icon from the menu, it asks for my password, then nothing
[22:54] <n-iCe> hi
[23:01] <n-iCe> Wondering if any of you know a way to share internet (no ad-hoc)
[23:11] <genii-around> !ics
[23:11] <genii-around> n-iCe: Probably a lot of the stuff in the bot's link is Ubuntu-centric but could be used