[00:03] <troulouliou_dev> wilee-nilee, ok will do thanks
[00:03] <wilee-nilee> no problem
[00:04] <troulouliou_dev> wilee-nilee, btw uefi allow custom key in several mode as i see / pek/db ... there could be a ms-secureboot grub/kernel as well as  as ubuntu-signed secureboot grub/kernekl
[00:05] <troulouliou_dev> pretty hardtosee microsoft ca .... in the sb grub install output
[00:12] <elky> is anyone else finding that xchat on raring is a cpu hog?
[00:39] <jmichaelx> just upgraded to kubuntu raring on one machine... and things are not looking good so far
[00:40] <jmichaelx> the system is completely unusable
[00:45] <bjsnider> i can assure you that wan't one of the goals
[00:46] <jmichaelx> lol. hopefully one could have assumed that :-)
[01:16] <peepsalot> hello, i can't view my home folder in nautilus or even using ls command, it just hangs
[01:17] <peepsalot> i think it is something to do with a network share that i have mounted as a subfolder in my home directory, but the network share is not currently accessible
[03:06] <teratoma> 'meta' key ( alt ) in gnome-terminal doesnt do what it used to in quantal, what do i do?
[03:56] <xiambax_> I have full disk encryption and am looking to update to beta.
[03:56] <xiambax_> update-manager -d doesnt find a released
[03:56] <xiambax_> and i get no option to upgrade when booting to usb key
[04:03] <wilee-nilee> xiambax_, What release are you in now?
[04:05] <xiambax_> im silly
[04:05] <xiambax_> apparently i have been running betas this whole time.
[04:05] <xiambax_> its just gone so smoothly i never noticed
[08:14] <Dreaman> i use ubuntu 13.04 rc  reinstall final or just update system
[08:15] <MonkeyDust> Dreaman  just update
[08:16] <Dreaman> :) ok
[08:16] <bazhang> !final | Dreaman
[08:16] <Dreaman> ok
[08:16] <valorie> I've done the upgrades and they worked flawlessly in kubuntu
[08:17] <valorie> on both 64-bit and 32-bit for my netbook
[09:42] <captine> hi all.  seems my 13.04 sound system is broken...   output device listed as "Dummy Output"
[12:08] <derbarb> having trouble using ubuntu one to backup my files using deja dup, getting a bad request error
[12:49] <gmg85> is it true that 13.04 will have the alx ethernet driver in its kernel?
[12:53] <patdk-wk> gmg85, that would have been stabilised a long time ago
[12:55] <gmg85> patdk-wk, when i installed xubuntu  12.10....i had to download the alx ethernet driver from compact wireless and compile it myself]
[12:56] <gmg85> was wondering whether 13.04 will come with the ethernet driver so i dont have to compile the source
[12:56] <patdk-wk> how is that relevent?
[12:56] <patdk-wk> well, what kernel is it included in?
[12:56] <gmg85> 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR8162 Fast Ethernet (rev 08)
[12:56] <gmg85> tht's my card
[12:56] <gmg85> the ubuntu kernel
[12:56] <patdk-wk> well, what kernel is it included in?
[12:56] <patdk-wk> ubuntu doesn't make kernels
[12:57] <gmg85> does it modify kernels
[12:57] <Pici> er, it definitely applies its own and others patches to kernels.
[12:59] <johnflux__> Hey all
[12:59] <johnflux__> vim in 13.04 is compiled without clipboard support
[12:59] <johnflux__> this is a regression  - is it known?
[12:59] <patdk-wk> johnflux__, checked launchpad?
[13:00] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:01] <johnflux__> patdk-wk: how?
[13:03] <patdk-wk> gmg85, well, as the alx driver is not in the linux kernel, it won't be
[13:03] <johnflux__> usr13: usr13: googling, it seems that actually you have to install vim-gtk   if you want the vim console version to have clipboard support
[13:03] <johnflux__> I found https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vim/+bug/837882
[13:04] <usr13> Ok
[13:04] <gmg85> patdk-wk, i guess i will just have to download the sources and compile...what kernel version will 13.04 have?
[13:05] <patdk-wk> it's in the compat-wireless package though
[13:05] <patdk-wk> not sure what version it was included in though
[13:10] <patdk-wk> hmm, 3.8.0, where 3.8.8 is the newest
[13:11] <Rompoy> anyone knows why Ubuntu consumes double power watts than Windows?
[13:13] <yofel> patdk-wk: from the changelog the -19 kernel is v3.8.6 + patches
[13:13] <patdk-wk> ok
[13:14] <patdk-wk> still won't help him though, as the alx driver isn't in the kernel yet
[13:44] <p0wn3d> has anyone tested MATE with the 13.04 beta?
[14:07] <jmnoz> for some reason my keyboard shortcuts in xfce doesn't always seem to work properly (running under Ubuntu) any idea of how to troubleshoot?
[14:08] <SonikkuAmerica> Apparently VBox isn't supposed to be launched from Unity in Raring...?
[14:09] <SonikkuAmerica> It doesn't appear in the launcher but I can open it from the terminal with no problems.
[14:09] <wilee-nilee> SonikkuAmerica, Launches from icon here, do you have the latest?
[14:10] <SonikkuAmerica> Give me a second (or 2-3 minutes anyway...)
[14:10] <wilee-nilee> I don't use unity however
[14:10] <SonikkuAmerica> The latest what?
[14:12] <tyrog> Hello. Do you think Ubuntu 13.04 is a worthy upgrade from 12.04 lts?
[14:13] <SonikkuAmerica> Depends.
[14:14] <tyrog> SonikkuAmerica: more specifically on what? xD
[14:15] <SonikkuAmerica> tyrog: Do you need a stable (production, e.g.) environment?
[14:16] <tyrog> SonikkuAmerica: not at all. Can live with some randomness xD
[14:17] <SonikkuAmerica> Then you're welcome to; it's not required for another 9 months for 12.10 or until April 2017 for 12.04.
[14:20] <SonikkuAmerica> In fact, due to the support period being shortened, you don't have to upgrade to 13.04 at all! :)\
[14:20] <SonikkuAmerica> *:)
[14:21] <SonikkuAmerica> wilee-nilee: I have the latest updates and everything if that's what you mean...
[14:22] <Rompoy> anyone knows why Ubuntu consumes double power watts than Windows?
[14:22] <tyrog> SonikkuAmerica: we can always upgrade to 13.10 when it's released, or up to 3 months after xD
[14:23] <SonikkuAmerica> tyrog: The thing is... between January and April 2014, only 10.04 LTS Server, 12.04 LTS, 12.10 and 13.10 will be supported.
[14:24] <wilee-nilee> SonikkuAmerica, When I installed the latest release from their website I had to purge the previous to install, check your version against the oracle website. https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads
[14:24] <wilee-nilee> not sure if the ubnutu repos version is the latest
[14:25] <SonikkuAmerica> wilee-nilee: Oh. I see. I just tacked the PPA on and installed it fresh. My sources.list entry is "raring contrib"
[14:25] <SonikkuAmerica> It could be that the PPA itself is still incomplete.
[14:25] <tyrog> SonikkuAmerica: what do you think is the most reliable upgrade path? lts to lts? or interim to interim?
[14:26] <SonikkuAmerica> tyrog: I would say LTS > LTS, as they are the most stable.
[14:26] <SonikkuAmerica> I've burned a hard copy of every LTS since 10.04 (only 2 of course, but Canonical didn't catch on till now).
[14:27] <tyrog> SonikkuAmerica: do you have a dual boot LTS and current?
[14:27] <SonikkuAmerica> No. I just use the current. I'm VBoxing Xubuntu LTS and Lubuntu daily.
[14:28] <wilee-nilee> VirtualBox 4.2.12?
[14:28] <tyrog> SonikkuAmerica: do you make fresh install of each new ubuntu release?
[14:29] <SonikkuAmerica> wilee-nilee: Yep
[14:29] <SonikkuAmerica> tyrog: No, I [ do-release-upgrade ], like Debian.
[14:30] <tyrog> Never had problems with upgrades?
[14:30] <SonikkuAmerica> tyrog: The only problems I've had were the graphical version crashing.
[14:30] <tyrog> What DE do you use? And have PPAs enabled?
[14:31] <SonikkuAmerica> Unity... and tons.
[14:31] <wilee-nilee> SonikkuAmerica, I had found the unity desktop problematic in general a while back I like it it was just loosing controls at times, probably fixed now, however have you logged out or rebooted to see if this fixes the problem?
[14:32] <SonikkuAmerica> wilee-nilee: I never did, maybe that's key.
[14:32] <tyrog> Actually I like Unity in 13.04. It's a DE that grows with you with time, and with practice
[14:32] <BluesKaj> yup, do-release-upgrade here as well , keeping the system clean with autremove and autoclean after every package upgrade seems to work for this setup.
[14:34] <wilee-nilee> I like the gnome-shell you can reload it with alt-f2-r the unity desktop used to be able to reload compiz easily as well.
[14:36] <tyrog> wilee-nilee: Actually the concepts in both are similar xD. But I think Unity handles the menus of the software (File, Edit, etc.) better
[14:36] <tyrog> With more space for the open program
[14:37] <wilee-nilee> tyrog, Not really, the shell is mutter unity is compiz.
[14:38] <tyrog> wilee-nilee: compiz allows for more effects and such
[14:39] <SonikkuAmerica> Aaaaaaaaaand now I can't search my apps anymore... it's forever searching...
[14:39] <SonikkuAmerica> All the other scopes work just fine.
[14:40] <SonikkuAmerica> Let me try again.
[14:41] <wilee-nilee> tyrog, Sure to some extent, but you used to be able to run compiz --replace and one other command I forget to reload it and or set it to a default install.
[14:46]  * BluesKaj doesn't miss compiz ...kwin does the job just fine
[14:47] <wilee-nilee> I never like kubuntu, but that is a personal thing, lol
[14:48] <BluesKaj> well, i never liked gnome , it's a matter of taste , mostly i think
[14:48] <BluesKaj> unity even less
[14:50] <LukeL> cinnamon is worth a try
[14:54] <tyrog> KDE is ok. I feel it is a bit bloated though
[14:57] <BluesKaj> tyrog, perhaps because there so many options , thewre are some apps I would like to be excluded that are dependency ridden and can't be removed , only disabled
[14:58] <tyrog> BluesKaj: Yep. KDE is not only plasma. But I have to admit it is very stable with 4.10
[14:59] <BluesKaj> tyrog, yeah seems to be so far
[14:59] <derbarb> succesfully backup up /etc/vim to ubuntu one but cannot backup my home directory, got a bad request error, anyone know why this might be?
[15:02] <BluesKaj> derbarb, maybe the ppl at #ubuntuone can help
[15:25] <tyrog> wilee-nilee: I was a bit skeptical with KDE too mainly with the first 4.x releases but now I'm using it and is very enjoyable
[15:25] <tyrog> Multitasking is fast and you get all the blinks only a KDE desktop can give you xD
[15:30] <tyrog> BluesKaj: How do I disable KWin when a fullscreen app is running?
[15:30] <tyrog> like compiz does with unity
[15:33] <BluesKaj> tyrog, don'y know , never needed to
[15:33] <LukeL> it's in the settings somewhere, keep diggin :P
[15:33] <LukeL> i remember setting it
[15:33] <piero> Is fglrx hdmi audio working on 3.8 kernel for HD series 6000?
[15:35] <BluesKaj> tyrog, system settings>desktop effects >advanced, suspend desktop effects....
[15:35] <BluesKaj> for full screen
[15:37] <tyrog> BluesKaj: foud it :) Thanks. As for que Qt graphical system, do you use Raster or Native?
[15:39] <tyrog> KDE is using less RAM than Unity with about the same workload, with many desktop effects enabled. Awesome
[15:40] <BluesKaj> tyrog, I'm using raster , but just for testing , supposedly it works with Qt  better than native
[15:41] <BluesKaj> tyrog, it's difficult to tell the differnce so far
[16:46] <mrjoel> Alright.  So ginn is working with 13.04, but the rightclick actions all occur in the bottom right hand corner of the screen (this is where the "cursor" goes when the screen is touched at all.  can anyone help me?
[17:57] <johnjohn101> is it soup yet?
[18:19] <SuperLag> uname just reports 3.8.0 as the kernel, but it's actually 3.8.something else, right? How can you find out which kernel you're really running?
[18:24] <genii-around> SuperLag: no, it should say something like:  3.8.0-19-generic   or such
[18:26] <SuperLag> aaron@wanderlust ~ % uname -r
[18:26] <SuperLag> 3.8.0-19-generic
[18:26] <SuperLag> yeah...
[18:27] <SuperLag> but that's not actually a 3.8.0 kernel... it's later, I believe
[18:27] <SuperLag> and the current stable kernel is 3.8.8
[18:27] <genii-around> !info linux-image-generic raring
[18:29] <SuperLag> hmm... okay. Maybe I'm just crazy, but I could have sworn I read somewhere that it's based on a 3.8.<greater than 0> kernel.
[18:35] <mrjoel> Anyone know why my touchscreen is sending the mouse cursor to the bottom right corner of my screen?  Is there a way to make it stay where I pointed for right-click actions?
[19:38] <FernandoMiguel> awesome.. . lot's of video corruption when using multi display on my Intel HD3000 :(
[19:42] <genii-around> Hm. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming has no 13.04 listed
[20:04] <guntbert> is the deprecation of gksudo a well known thing among helpers?
[20:09] <guntbert> in case not, have a look at http://askubuntu.com/questions/284306/why-is-gksu-no-longer-installed-by-default-in-raring-13-04
[21:14] <genii-around> guntbert: Interesting. So instead of gksu/gksudo gedit   /something-priveleged     just recommended to sudo -i gedit /something-priveleged   instead?
[21:20] <nullby7e> 13.04 when?
[21:20] <bazhang> unknown
[21:21] <bjsnider> genii-around, is gksudo not installable?
[21:21] <bazhang> !info gksudo
[21:21] <genii-around> bjsnider: Apparently not
[21:21] <bazhang> !info gksu
[21:22] <bjsnider> if you grab the quantal version?
[21:22] <tyrog> 13.04 is a great release. Really improved from 12.10 in many aspects
[21:23] <bjsnider> depends on your point of view
[21:24] <tyrog> bjsnider: Of course. What is yours?
[21:25] <bjsnider> i've been using gnome 3.6 for 6 months, so there's no difference if i upgrade
[21:25] <bjsnider> until logind gets added to the gnome 3 ppa and it makes sense to upgrade for gnome 3.8
[21:25] <bjsnider> i don't use this on a phone, so i don't need to use unity
[21:25] <bjsnider> unity isn't targeted at me i suppose is the right way to say it
[21:26] <tyrog> Right. But I feel for Unity users this is the best one yet. And it has also improved in boot and shutdown time
[21:26] <tyrog> bjsnider: That's funny considering you use gnome 3.6 (suppose it is the shell) xD
[21:30] <bjsnider> i don't think gnome-shell was specifically designed for phones, but unity started out under another name as a mobile os
[21:31] <tyrog> bjsnider: You don't think gnome-shell was designed for mobile devices? So for what?
[21:31] <tyrog> Not criticizing, I like to know the desktops and play with them all to see which one suits me better
[21:32] <tyrog> You can make gnome shell very desktop-like, and very functional, but I think it was based around mobile devices.
[21:32] <bjsnider> for computers in general
[21:33] <tyrog> Ehmm, no. My productivity drops significantly if I don't install some extensions in gnome shell, compared to what gnome 2 was
[21:33] <bjsnider> mine doesn't
[21:34] <tyrog> Do you think that taking features away from most software is a desktop approach?
[21:35] <tyrog> Putting big buttons in the GUIs too?
[21:36] <natman> When is Kubuntu 13.04 released?
[21:37] <bazhang> soon
[21:37] <wilee-nilee> natman, You can install raring ubuntu and add kubuntu.
[21:37] <tyrog> wilee-nilee: Ubuntu 13.04 hasnt been released too, so there is no difference xD
[21:38] <bazhang> wilee-nilee, thats not needed at all
[21:38] <wilee-nilee> bazhang, Did not say it was needed, just an option
[21:38] <bazhang> wilee-nilee, anda hugely unneeded option
[21:39] <wilee-nilee> bazhang, In your opinion.
[21:39] <natman> wilee-nilee: why would i do that?
[21:39] <bazhang> wilee-nilee, its not good advice.
[21:39] <wilee-nilee> I would let a user decide while informed
[21:39] <tyrog> Unneeded discussion too, cmon guys
[21:39] <tyrog> Its time for party!!
[21:40] <bazhang> !party
[21:41] <tyrog> sure, just changing the mood around here xD
[21:41] <wilee-nilee> natman, I did not say you should just giving you an option, you should do what you want. ;)
[21:42] <tyrog> natman: I tried both daily ISOs of Ubuntu and Kubuntu today. If you want to use KDE, stick to Kubuntu, as you will avoid the GTK apps within kubuntu that you won't use probably
[21:43] <bazhang> natman, if you keep up to date, you will hit final
[21:43] <natman> tyrog: totally agrree, Kubuntu is the way to go
[21:43] <bazhang> !final | natman
[21:43] <johnjohn101> ubuntu release party channel back in operation
[21:44] <natman> by the way, thinking of changing to a sony vaio laptop, any idea if they are *buntu friendly?
[21:44] <tyrog> bazhang: Probably final by now. Final ISOs are prepared some days before the final release, so you might be already further from final
[21:44] <bazhang> tyrog, not me, natman
[21:46] <tyrog> natman: Don't know why they wouldn't be as friendly as the others :)
[21:46] <tyrog> Better experience for linux is with Intel wireless chips and Intel graphics too
[21:47] <tyrog> If you want to play some games, I would recommend NVIDIA graphics then
[21:47] <tyrog> Apart from that, most software is supported nowadays.
[21:47] <tyrog> *hardware
[21:52] <johnjohn101> how close is daily to released version?  or should i wait a day?
[21:53] <tyrog> johnjohn101: Wait if you are willing to, then wait. Else, install daily
[21:55] <wilee-nilee> johnjohn101, realease day and for a time after has the servers running hard, a torrent is best for downloads and seeding, a upgrade I would do now or wait, it is up to you. Todays daily is the release minus any last minute imperative updates.
[22:01] <bazhang> yeah, dont wait
[22:10] <trism> anyone notice the sidebar in nautilus not painting properly? I have to mouseover the bookmarks/network section before they appear
[22:15] <tyrog> trism: Dont have that problem. I have another in libreoffice: menus don't get "oranged" when i put the cursor over them, a fix should come in the following days
[22:45] <rendero> !isitout
[22:45] <rendero> :P
[22:45] <tyrog> bot is working xD
[22:45] <bazhang> !party
[23:27] <scarrs> hello, just upgraded to 13.04 and looking to get my workspaces back... help?
[23:29] <wilee-nilee> scarrs, nvidia card?
[23:29] <scarrs> yessir
[23:30] <wilee-nilee> scarrs, You have to reload the drivers on a upgrade.
[23:30] <scarrs> gotcha
[23:30] <scarrs> tyvm for your help
[23:30] <wilee-nilee> no problem
[23:30] <scarrs> toodles
[23:45] <scarrs> hello again have upgraded to 13.04 and lost the virtual workspaces!!! I would like to get them back... have reinstalled nvidia-current and it helps to no avail. help?
[23:46] <wilee-nilee> scarrs, I believe you have to delete what was there first.
[23:46] <wilee-nilee> this a vbox?
[23:46] <scarrs> nope
[23:47] <scarrs> should I create a new user?
[23:47] <wilee-nilee> scarrs, What helps though for channel helpers is identifying the card, not to me but the channel.
[23:48] <scarrs> VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GF108 [GeForce GT 440] (rev a1) is what I have
[23:52] <scarrs> anyway, created a fresh account... will see if that helps
[23:55] <tyrog> The workspaces are disabled in 13.04 :P
[23:56] <trism> System Settings/Appearance/Behavior/Enable workspaces
[23:57] <tyrog> he's gone now