troulouliou_devwilee-nilee, ok will do thanks00:03
wilee-nileeno problem00:03
troulouliou_devwilee-nilee, btw uefi allow custom key in several mode as i see / pek/db ... there could be a ms-secureboot grub/kernel as well as  as ubuntu-signed secureboot grub/kernekl00:04
troulouliou_devpretty hardtosee microsoft ca .... in the sb grub install output00:05
elkyis anyone else finding that xchat on raring is a cpu hog?00:12
jmichaelxjust upgraded to kubuntu raring on one machine... and things are not looking good so far00:39
jmichaelxthe system is completely unusable00:40
bjsnideri can assure you that wan't one of the goals00:45
jmichaelxlol. hopefully one could have assumed that :-)00:46
peepsalothello, i can't view my home folder in nautilus or even using ls command, it just hangs01:16
peepsaloti think it is something to do with a network share that i have mounted as a subfolder in my home directory, but the network share is not currently accessible01:17
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teratoma'meta' key ( alt ) in gnome-terminal doesnt do what it used to in quantal, what do i do?03:06
xiambax_I have full disk encryption and am looking to update to beta.03:56
xiambax_update-manager -d doesnt find a released03:56
xiambax_and i get no option to upgrade when booting to usb key03:56
wilee-nileexiambax_, What release are you in now?04:03
xiambax_im silly04:05
xiambax_apparently i have been running betas this whole time.04:05
xiambax_its just gone so smoothly i never noticed04:05
Dreamani use ubuntu 13.04 rc  reinstall final or just update system08:14
MonkeyDustDreaman  just update08:15
Dreaman:) ok08:16
bazhang!final | Dreaman08:16
ubottuDreaman: If you install a development version of Ubuntu Raring and keep up with package updates, then you will be upgraded to the official release of 13.04 when it comes out. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a terminal.08:16
valorieI've done the upgrades and they worked flawlessly in kubuntu08:16
valorieon both 64-bit and 32-bit for my netbook08:17
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captinehi all.  seems my 13.04 sound system is broken...   output device listed as "Dummy Output"09:42
derbarbhaving trouble using ubuntu one to backup my files using deja dup, getting a bad request error12:08
gmg85is it true that 13.04 will have the alx ethernet driver in its kernel?12:49
patdk-wkgmg85, that would have been stabilised a long time ago12:53
gmg85patdk-wk, when i installed xubuntu  12.10....i had to download the alx ethernet driver from compact wireless and compile it myself]12:55
gmg85was wondering whether 13.04 will come with the ethernet driver so i dont have to compile the source12:56
patdk-wkhow is that relevent?12:56
patdk-wkwell, what kernel is it included in?12:56
gmg8503:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR8162 Fast Ethernet (rev 08)12:56
gmg85tht's my card12:56
gmg85the ubuntu kernel12:56
patdk-wkwell, what kernel is it included in?12:56
patdk-wkubuntu doesn't make kernels12:56
gmg85does it modify kernels12:57
Picier, it definitely applies its own and others patches to kernels.12:57
johnflux__Hey all12:59
johnflux__vim in 13.04 is compiled without clipboard support12:59
johnflux__this is a regression  - is it known?12:59
patdk-wkjohnflux__, checked launchpad?12:59
BluesKajHey all13:00
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johnflux__patdk-wk: how?13:01
patdk-wkgmg85, well, as the alx driver is not in the linux kernel, it won't be13:03
johnflux__usr13: usr13: googling, it seems that actually you have to install vim-gtk   if you want the vim console version to have clipboard support13:03
johnflux__I found https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vim/+bug/83788213:03
ubottuLaunchpad bug 837882 in vim (Ubuntu) "Vim on Ubuntu is compiled without clipboard and xterm_clipboard support" [Undecided,Invalid]13:03
gmg85patdk-wk, i guess i will just have to download the sources and compile...what kernel version will 13.04 have?13:04
patdk-wkit's in the compat-wireless package though13:05
patdk-wknot sure what version it was included in though13:05
patdk-wkhmm, 3.8.0, where 3.8.8 is the newest13:10
Rompoyanyone knows why Ubuntu consumes double power watts than Windows?13:11
yofelpatdk-wk: from the changelog the -19 kernel is v3.8.6 + patches13:13
patdk-wkstill won't help him though, as the alx driver isn't in the kernel yet13:14
p0wn3dhas anyone tested MATE with the 13.04 beta?13:44
jmnozfor some reason my keyboard shortcuts in xfce doesn't always seem to work properly (running under Ubuntu) any idea of how to troubleshoot?14:07
SonikkuAmericaApparently VBox isn't supposed to be launched from Unity in Raring...?14:08
SonikkuAmericaIt doesn't appear in the launcher but I can open it from the terminal with no problems.14:09
wilee-nileeSonikkuAmerica, Launches from icon here, do you have the latest?14:09
SonikkuAmericaGive me a second (or 2-3 minutes anyway...)14:10
wilee-nileeI don't use unity however14:10
SonikkuAmericaThe latest what?14:10
tyrogHello. Do you think Ubuntu 13.04 is a worthy upgrade from 12.04 lts?14:12
tyrogSonikkuAmerica: more specifically on what? xD14:14
SonikkuAmericatyrog: Do you need a stable (production, e.g.) environment?14:15
tyrogSonikkuAmerica: not at all. Can live with some randomness xD14:16
SonikkuAmericaThen you're welcome to; it's not required for another 9 months for 12.10 or until April 2017 for 12.04.14:17
SonikkuAmericaIn fact, due to the support period being shortened, you don't have to upgrade to 13.04 at all! :)\14:20
SonikkuAmericawilee-nilee: I have the latest updates and everything if that's what you mean...14:21
Rompoyanyone knows why Ubuntu consumes double power watts than Windows?14:22
tyrogSonikkuAmerica: we can always upgrade to 13.10 when it's released, or up to 3 months after xD14:22
SonikkuAmericatyrog: The thing is... between January and April 2014, only 10.04 LTS Server, 12.04 LTS, 12.10 and 13.10 will be supported.14:23
wilee-nileeSonikkuAmerica, When I installed the latest release from their website I had to purge the previous to install, check your version against the oracle website. https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads14:24
wilee-nileenot sure if the ubnutu repos version is the latest14:24
SonikkuAmericawilee-nilee: Oh. I see. I just tacked the PPA on and installed it fresh. My sources.list entry is "raring contrib"14:25
SonikkuAmericaIt could be that the PPA itself is still incomplete.14:25
tyrogSonikkuAmerica: what do you think is the most reliable upgrade path? lts to lts? or interim to interim?14:25
SonikkuAmericatyrog: I would say LTS > LTS, as they are the most stable.14:26
SonikkuAmericaI've burned a hard copy of every LTS since 10.04 (only 2 of course, but Canonical didn't catch on till now).14:26
tyrogSonikkuAmerica: do you have a dual boot LTS and current?14:27
SonikkuAmericaNo. I just use the current. I'm VBoxing Xubuntu LTS and Lubuntu daily.14:27
wilee-nileeVirtualBox 4.2.12?14:28
tyrogSonikkuAmerica: do you make fresh install of each new ubuntu release?14:28
SonikkuAmericawilee-nilee: Yep14:29
SonikkuAmericatyrog: No, I [ do-release-upgrade ], like Debian.14:29
tyrogNever had problems with upgrades?14:30
SonikkuAmericatyrog: The only problems I've had were the graphical version crashing.14:30
tyrogWhat DE do you use? And have PPAs enabled?14:30
SonikkuAmericaUnity... and tons.14:31
wilee-nileeSonikkuAmerica, I had found the unity desktop problematic in general a while back I like it it was just loosing controls at times, probably fixed now, however have you logged out or rebooted to see if this fixes the problem?14:31
SonikkuAmericawilee-nilee: I never did, maybe that's key.14:32
tyrogActually I like Unity in 13.04. It's a DE that grows with you with time, and with practice14:32
BluesKajyup, do-release-upgrade here as well , keeping the system clean with autremove and autoclean after every package upgrade seems to work for this setup.14:32
wilee-nileeI like the gnome-shell you can reload it with alt-f2-r the unity desktop used to be able to reload compiz easily as well.14:34
tyrogwilee-nilee: Actually the concepts in both are similar xD. But I think Unity handles the menus of the software (File, Edit, etc.) better14:36
tyrogWith more space for the open program14:36
wilee-nileetyrog, Not really, the shell is mutter unity is compiz.14:37
tyrogwilee-nilee: compiz allows for more effects and such14:38
SonikkuAmericaAaaaaaaaaand now I can't search my apps anymore... it's forever searching...14:39
SonikkuAmericaAll the other scopes work just fine.14:39
SonikkuAmericaLet me try again.14:40
wilee-nileetyrog, Sure to some extent, but you used to be able to run compiz --replace and one other command I forget to reload it and or set it to a default install.14:41
* BluesKaj doesn't miss compiz ...kwin does the job just fine14:46
wilee-nileeI never like kubuntu, but that is a personal thing, lol14:47
BluesKajwell, i never liked gnome , it's a matter of taste , mostly i think14:48
BluesKajunity even less14:48
LukeLcinnamon is worth a try14:50
tyrogKDE is ok. I feel it is a bit bloated though14:54
BluesKajtyrog, perhaps because there so many options , thewre are some apps I would like to be excluded that are dependency ridden and can't be removed , only disabled14:57
tyrogBluesKaj: Yep. KDE is not only plasma. But I have to admit it is very stable with 4.1014:58
BluesKajtyrog, yeah seems to be so far14:59
derbarbsuccesfully backup up /etc/vim to ubuntu one but cannot backup my home directory, got a bad request error, anyone know why this might be?14:59
BluesKajderbarb, maybe the ppl at #ubuntuone can help15:02
tyrogwilee-nilee: I was a bit skeptical with KDE too mainly with the first 4.x releases but now I'm using it and is very enjoyable15:25
tyrogMultitasking is fast and you get all the blinks only a KDE desktop can give you xD15:25
tyrogBluesKaj: How do I disable KWin when a fullscreen app is running?15:30
tyroglike compiz does with unity15:30
BluesKajtyrog, don'y know , never needed to15:33
LukeLit's in the settings somewhere, keep diggin :P15:33
LukeLi remember setting it15:33
pieroIs fglrx hdmi audio working on 3.8 kernel for HD series 6000?15:33
BluesKajtyrog, system settings>desktop effects >advanced, suspend desktop effects....15:35
BluesKajfor full screen15:35
tyrogBluesKaj: foud it :) Thanks. As for que Qt graphical system, do you use Raster or Native?15:37
tyrogKDE is using less RAM than Unity with about the same workload, with many desktop effects enabled. Awesome15:39
BluesKajtyrog, I'm using raster , but just for testing , supposedly it works with Qt  better than native15:40
BluesKajtyrog, it's difficult to tell the differnce so far15:41
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mrjoelAlright.  So ginn is working with 13.04, but the rightclick actions all occur in the bottom right hand corner of the screen (this is where the "cursor" goes when the screen is touched at all.  can anyone help me?16:46
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johnjohn101is it soup yet?17:57
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SuperLaguname just reports 3.8.0 as the kernel, but it's actually 3.8.something else, right? How can you find out which kernel you're really running?18:19
genii-aroundSuperLag: no, it should say something like:  3.8.0-19-generic   or such18:24
SuperLagaaron@wanderlust ~ % uname -r18:26
SuperLagbut that's not actually a 3.8.0 kernel... it's later, I believe18:27
SuperLagand the current stable kernel is 3.8.818:27
genii-around!info linux-image-generic raring18:27
ubottulinux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version (raring), package size 2 kB, installed size 33 kB18:27
SuperLaghmm... okay. Maybe I'm just crazy, but I could have sworn I read somewhere that it's based on a 3.8.<greater than 0> kernel.18:29
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mrjoelAnyone know why my touchscreen is sending the mouse cursor to the bottom right corner of my screen?  Is there a way to make it stay where I pointed for right-click actions?18:35
FernandoMiguelawesome.. . lot's of video corruption when using multi display on my Intel HD3000 :(19:38
genii-aroundHm. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming has no 13.04 listed19:42
guntbertis the deprecation of gksudo a well known thing among helpers?20:04
guntbertin case not, have a look at http://askubuntu.com/questions/284306/why-is-gksu-no-longer-installed-by-default-in-raring-13-0420:09
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genii-aroundguntbert: Interesting. So instead of gksu/gksudo gedit   /something-priveleged     just recommended to sudo -i gedit /something-priveleged   instead?21:14
nullby7e13.04 when?21:20
bjsnidergenii-around, is gksudo not installable?21:21
bazhang!info gksudo21:21
ubottuPackage gksudo does not exist in raring21:21
genii-aroundbjsnider: Apparently not21:21
bazhang!info gksu21:21
ubottugksu (source: gksu): graphical frontend to su. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.2-6ubuntu2 (raring), package size 26 kB, installed size 172 kB21:21
bjsniderif you grab the quantal version?21:22
tyrog13.04 is a great release. Really improved from 12.10 in many aspects21:22
bjsniderdepends on your point of view21:23
tyrogbjsnider: Of course. What is yours?21:24
bjsnideri've been using gnome 3.6 for 6 months, so there's no difference if i upgrade21:25
bjsnideruntil logind gets added to the gnome 3 ppa and it makes sense to upgrade for gnome 3.821:25
bjsnideri don't use this on a phone, so i don't need to use unity21:25
bjsniderunity isn't targeted at me i suppose is the right way to say it21:25
tyrogRight. But I feel for Unity users this is the best one yet. And it has also improved in boot and shutdown time21:26
tyrogbjsnider: That's funny considering you use gnome 3.6 (suppose it is the shell) xD21:26
bjsnideri don't think gnome-shell was specifically designed for phones, but unity started out under another name as a mobile os21:30
tyrogbjsnider: You don't think gnome-shell was designed for mobile devices? So for what?21:31
tyrogNot criticizing, I like to know the desktops and play with them all to see which one suits me better21:31
tyrogYou can make gnome shell very desktop-like, and very functional, but I think it was based around mobile devices.21:32
bjsniderfor computers in general21:32
tyrogEhmm, no. My productivity drops significantly if I don't install some extensions in gnome shell, compared to what gnome 2 was21:33
bjsnidermine doesn't21:33
tyrogDo you think that taking features away from most software is a desktop approach?21:34
tyrogPutting big buttons in the GUIs too?21:35
natmanWhen is Kubuntu 13.04 released?21:36
wilee-nileenatman, You can install raring ubuntu and add kubuntu.21:37
tyrogwilee-nilee: Ubuntu 13.04 hasnt been released too, so there is no difference xD21:37
bazhangwilee-nilee, thats not needed at all21:38
wilee-nileebazhang, Did not say it was needed, just an option21:38
bazhangwilee-nilee, anda hugely unneeded option21:38
wilee-nileebazhang, In your opinion.21:39
natmanwilee-nilee: why would i do that?21:39
bazhangwilee-nilee, its not good advice.21:39
wilee-nileeI would let a user decide while informed21:39
tyrogUnneeded discussion too, cmon guys21:39
tyrogIts time for party!!21:39
ubottuPlease remember that #ubuntu, #kubuntu, #xubuntu, #edubuntu, and #lubuntu are support channels. To countdown to !Raring release and then party once it happens, join #ubuntu-release-party - For in-person parties, see http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/2322/21:40
tyrogsure, just changing the mood around here xD21:41
wilee-nileenatman, I did not say you should just giving you an option, you should do what you want. ;)21:41
tyrognatman: I tried both daily ISOs of Ubuntu and Kubuntu today. If you want to use KDE, stick to Kubuntu, as you will avoid the GTK apps within kubuntu that you won't use probably21:42
bazhangnatman, if you keep up to date, you will hit final21:43
natmantyrog: totally agrree, Kubuntu is the way to go21:43
bazhang!final | natman21:43
ubottunatman: If you install a development version of Ubuntu Raring and keep up with package updates, then you will be upgraded to the official release of 13.04 when it comes out. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a terminal.21:43
johnjohn101ubuntu release party channel back in operation21:43
natmanby the way, thinking of changing to a sony vaio laptop, any idea if they are *buntu friendly?21:44
tyrogbazhang: Probably final by now. Final ISOs are prepared some days before the final release, so you might be already further from final21:44
bazhangtyrog, not me, natman21:44
tyrognatman: Don't know why they wouldn't be as friendly as the others :)21:46
tyrogBetter experience for linux is with Intel wireless chips and Intel graphics too21:46
tyrogIf you want to play some games, I would recommend NVIDIA graphics then21:47
tyrogApart from that, most software is supported nowadays.21:47
johnjohn101how close is daily to released version?  or should i wait a day?21:52
tyrogjohnjohn101: Wait if you are willing to, then wait. Else, install daily21:53
wilee-nileejohnjohn101, realease day and for a time after has the servers running hard, a torrent is best for downloads and seeding, a upgrade I would do now or wait, it is up to you. Todays daily is the release minus any last minute imperative updates.21:55
bazhangyeah, dont wait22:01
trismanyone notice the sidebar in nautilus not painting properly? I have to mouseover the bookmarks/network section before they appear22:10
tyrogtrism: Dont have that problem. I have another in libreoffice: menus don't get "oranged" when i put the cursor over them, a fix should come in the following days22:15
ubottuNo, it is not out yet.22:45
tyrogbot is working xD22:45
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scarrshello, just upgraded to 13.04 and looking to get my workspaces back... help?23:27
wilee-nileescarrs, nvidia card?23:29
wilee-nileescarrs, You have to reload the drivers on a upgrade.23:30
scarrstyvm for your help23:30
wilee-nileeno problem23:30
scarrshello again have upgraded to 13.04 and lost the virtual workspaces!!! I would like to get them back... have reinstalled nvidia-current and it helps to no avail. help?23:45
wilee-nileescarrs, I believe you have to delete what was there first.23:46
wilee-nileethis a vbox?23:46
scarrsshould I create a new user?23:47
wilee-nileescarrs, What helps though for channel helpers is identifying the card, not to me but the channel.23:47
scarrsVGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GF108 [GeForce GT 440] (rev a1) is what I have23:48
scarrsanyway, created a fresh account... will see if that helps23:52
tyrogThe workspaces are disabled in 13.04 :P23:55
trismSystem Settings/Appearance/Behavior/Enable workspaces23:56
tyroghe's gone now23:57

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