[07:07] Morning all [07:50] morning [07:52] good morning everyone, [08:12] Good morning peeps :) [08:13] morning bigcalm :) [08:20] Good morning all, happy Pig In A Blanket Day! [08:20] Isn't that prunes wrapped in bacon? [08:21] http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/geary-a-beautiful-modern-open-source-email-client [08:21] not looking good [08:21] Oh no - that Devils on horseback - silly me. [08:22] I saw Bytemark trying to pimp it up the other day. [08:22] yeah [08:22] kinda surprised [08:23] Trouble is - I think they are right. TB is going nowhere fast and getting slower and doggier by the day IMHO. And I still like an integrated email/calendar client [08:25] I might sound silly and naive but maybe it would have been better if they had put a lower amount as the main goal and then added stretch goals up to 150k [08:26] coz that's what I'm gonna do with my kickstarter when I finally do it [08:27] Myrtti: will your kickstarter involve wool? :) [08:27] yes. [08:27] \o/ [08:27] and nisbets catalogue [08:27] (ie. I need a big pot or two, about £110 each etc.) [08:29] I should call the local Tesco Optician if they'd be able to fix my glasses somehow so I can survive until I can go visit them [08:29] but I'm procrastinating, because telephone calls [08:30] :( [08:31] nature had it's revenge: I mowed the lawn, the lawn mower ate my glasses. [08:32] Oh my [08:33] or I accidentally stomped on them after I accidentally dropped them because I didn't see them with my protective goggles on instead of my glasses. Either way, one arm is now bent and cracked and the lens fell of because the nylon thread holding it on the frame snapped [08:34] I do hope they can fix them for you [08:35] cor I hate telephone calls [08:41] aloha [08:41] ahoy [08:42] matie [08:42] Hello czajkowski [08:43] ello how are we all doing this fine sunny day [08:43] RAGING AT BIND [08:43] Oh, so you're the one who stole my sun [08:44] yeah it's a bit cloudy [08:44] I did no such thing [08:45] when it gets sunny in this office, we have to close the blinds or the sun reflects off all the other windows around the place and actually blinds us [08:45] I should shave so that I can get my passport photos done. But, apathy [08:47] sounds like my avoidance of calling Tesco [08:47] Myrtti: well, I should also be working :D [08:48] Myrtti: I'm guessing that you are wearing a spare pair? [08:48] nope [08:48] my spare pair is tinted to sunglasses and it's not that sunny [08:49] I can manage fine without glasses, I just get light headed and towards the end of the day headachy [08:49] Aha [08:50] I only use glasses for close work and driving. Otherwise I get headaches. I would fall over if I tried to walk around with them on [08:50] I'd describe how my right eye feels like if I have to strain it trying to do something precise, but it's too early in the day [08:50] i like that I have enough face fuzz that i can play with my chinhair while pondering difficult problems [08:50] this pleases me [08:51] Oh god. Now I'm imagining you doing that [08:51] I'm not saying what I'm imagining [08:51] nothing dirty, mind you [08:53] handlebar moustache. [08:55] any time someone wants to play with the fuzz, all I can picture is a whacky eccentric twirling 'tache. [08:57] sounds like Xalior [09:01] Indeed [09:14] hello all [09:15] morning MooDoo [09:16] Can you apply CSS rules to match part of an element id? [09:17] brobostigon: hi [09:21] * popey wonders when AlanBell is expecting his parallela board [09:24] popey: I know no more than you do at this point [09:25] I am not sure quite how exciting they are going to be really [09:26] we should be getting a pair of 16 core boards, so 2 arm cores, plus 16 epiphany cores [09:27] I have no idea if we will be able to use the epiphany cores for anything interesting [09:59] http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/pear-linux-efficient-modern-and-free-operating-system-what-s-else [09:59] everyone's doing the crowdsourcing thing [10:00] 1000€ and you get a couple of T-Shirts and DVDs. [10:00] popey: it's a good way of getting money :) [10:02] http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/geary-a-beautiful-modern-open-source-email-client # it clearly isnt [10:02] for software [10:08] hmmm and a mail client.... [10:09] popey: maybe people tried the current version and didn't see a future? :-) [10:10] oh dear, now I spoke about myself in third person again... [10:10] or decided that "another mail client???" [10:10] I think it has a future, and I'd like to see the future [10:11] shame not many other people do :( [10:11] nah, it's not YAMC... but I don't want what they try to offer :-) [10:11] if they made a QML frontend I'd be interested [10:12] well they could do, if they get the funding ;) [10:12] thunderbird has so much extra stuff I actually use... I tried geary 0.3 for ~a month, and it's not for me. I kept going back to Thunderbird to actually get stuff done. [10:12] I'm using thunderbird now because it has a OKish calendar [10:12] but as a pure email client, geary is top notch [10:13] speaking of calendar... I need to export my next trip from linkedin. [10:13] s/linkedin/tripit/ [10:16] SuperMatt: its not on their roadmap [10:17] very true [10:21] * AlanBell glares at the Unity alt-tab once again [10:22] alt+` then right cursor moves to the next application, not the next window [10:22] alt+` then down cursor then right cursor does [10:25] alt+tab then wait then right does let you window switch [10:26] Nafallo: sorry I can't see any point in paying for another mail client that does pretty mmuch what everyother one does ....sorrry to say [10:43] you know who you miss around here, gord miss him and his crazy odd candy [10:43] random I know but still [10:43] heh, i was thinking that when I saw his post pop up on G+ [10:43] aye [10:47] The work place days miss him too [10:48] MooDoo: huh? [10:48] MooDoo: missdirected? [11:08] Looks like geary's design mockups were just screenshots of Mail.app [11:10] * Myrtti raises an eyebrow [11:10] hah [11:11] What happened to him? [11:14] he left canonical for pastures new [11:17] These pastures new have a lot to answer for. [11:18] the cud is good [11:27] http://gifdistrict.tumblr.com/post/15597009342/the-grass-is-always-greener-on-the-other-side === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:40] :) === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:14] everyone must be in ubuntu-touch it's so quiet in here lol [13:15] OOGA BOOGA [13:15] I'm not [13:16] I was just using my mystical sysadmin powers to control Bind9 and bend it to my will [13:17] lol [13:18] I've been working three days solid on learning more about bind, setting up a test environment that matches live, configuring bind to the point where it's almost unrecognisable to the way we had it, and then testing upgrade and downgrade procedures [13:19] basically DNS is not something I want to mess with [13:26] SuperMatt: DNS is a BIND ;) stay well away from it ;) [13:26] can't [13:27] the good news is, all my trial, improvement, and testing has lead me to a set of config files which, when dumped on the live servers, have a better chance of not failing than if I tried doing it by hand [13:27] well that's good then.... [13:27] I predict about a 90% chance of success [13:28] there's still a 10% chance I've over looked something, or I'm going miss something during my update procedure [13:32] SuperMatt: heh, I'm spending today fixing that 10% I overlooked in my mail server upgrade script :) [13:32] well, some of it. There will, no doubt, be more [13:32] well my boss told me it should only take me a day to get this thing going... Oh how wrong he was [13:33] I decided not to leave anything to chance [13:40] http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5cIlr-LcFsI [13:57] So about manyana, and the Raring release .. has anybody got anything to tell everyone about what is going on ? Watching the planetubuntu video , it seems popey, that most ppl are concentrating on 14.04 now anyway .. [13:57] and mobile platform etc .. [13:58] well, the thing about concentrating on 14.04 is that there was a lot of than in 13.04 too [13:59] " a lot of than " ? [13:59] basically, when an LTS is released, goals are set for the next LTS, and the normal releases inbetween match various goals a long the way [13:59] "a lot of that" [13:59] k [14:00] raring *will* be released tomorrow. I've no doubt it has been "ready" for a week now, just with a few bugs to fix [14:00] I heard that the DVD's are stopping .. does that include 13.04 ? [14:00] where on earth did you hear that?] [14:00] there is absolutely no reason to stop the dvds [14:00] G+ [14:00] we're not making CDs/DVDs for LoCos [14:01] this [14:01] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2013-April/006307.html [14:02] ok .. sio it's 14.04 that I'll get my DVD .. ok [14:02] not that you really need one [14:02] others do though .. [14:03] yes, true [14:03] unless ubuntu is truely virtual in our hearts ... [14:03] * redtape plays sml. violin. [14:04] a smelly violin? [14:04] sml .. small [14:04] I know ;) [14:04] lrg is large. [14:04] I tend just to type those words in full [14:05] you are right .. althou I think Sml & Lrg is more explanatory. [14:05] thanks popey [14:08] * redtape requires cupcakes ... http://www.flickr.com/photos/cbott/5120083226/ [14:10] redtape: i want some :D [14:10] the vlc icon can't have one though ... ;) [14:10] heh [14:10] top right in the image [14:10] I did have to look twice to get what you meant [14:12] OT has anyone tried vlc on Win 8 yet .. or is that still in thepipeline ? [14:12] yes i've tried it, seems ok but in desktop mode [14:12] oh ok [14:13] then I removed windows 8 as it's pants lol [14:13] Anybody know what support for the HP Pavilion Chromebook is like running Ubuntu? [14:13] pants pant pants .. agreed . [14:16] I want to get ABBYY Lingvo working on Ubuntu using stardict .. it has it here .. http://brutalblog.wordpress.com/2007/12/20/1/ but I don't have the time . they only do 5 lang.s anyway :( [14:19] Can anybody edit this page ? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KickstarterGames [14:20] or this one .... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OngoingCrowdfunding [14:20] cripes, there's 60 people coming to the release party tomorrow [14:20] redtape: lol can't even login lol just trying [14:20] ok . dont mean to cause a fuss .. [14:20] auth is indeed screwed [14:20] yes logged in [14:21] bit slower than expected but can log in and see someone else has timedout 5 mins ago [14:21] SuperMatt: Is this the one in Laaaandon ? [14:22] yup [14:22] I'll give up on loggin in then [14:22] though it looks like someone has put themself down as bringing 30 other people [14:22] heavies ... [14:22] it could be a ruse [14:22] shame I'm too far away [14:23] someone's not happy with the rotating circle thing :) [14:23] nah get on your bike now and you'll be there on time [14:23] Laney: I've got a motor bike [14:23] :) [14:23] I'll be there once I'm done with a work drink [14:23] ah, simple then [14:23] which starts at 4 [14:23] I'm just hoping someone saves me a t-shirt [14:24] t-shirt ? is there a online shop ? [14:24] redtape: yes, I am able to login and edit those pages [14:24] just to confirm the release party starts at 8pm BST and 7pm UTC? [14:24] * redtape facepalm .. store.ubuntu is the shop ! [14:25] lol [14:25] says 19:00 UTC [14:25] it says 19:00 UTC on the page [14:25] I really don't know what that is in real money [14:25] date -u [14:25] Wed Apr 24 15:25:30 BST 2013 [14:25] ^^ date [14:25] Wed Apr 24 14:25:35 UTC 2013 [14:25] ^ date -u [14:25] so thats 8pm for us :) [14:25] ya [14:25] awesome [14:25] 8pm for everyone in fact [14:26] I'll be eatying sugary mint's after then ,, then. [14:27] I don't for a moment think that there won't be people at the party before 6 ;) [14:27] ... there was a mention of another Hangover Friday .. ? [14:28] I don't know what you mean by that [14:28] hmm, party tomorrow, beer train friday, flying to usa saturday [14:28] this will go well [14:28] no it won't [14:28] don't lie to yourself [14:28] ... might get some sleep on the flight ... [14:29] * popey checks to make sure Laney isn't on the same flight [14:29] popey, so yur packed then ? [14:29] nope [14:30] popey: pack today! [14:30] hahaha. [14:30] UA somethingorother at sometimeorother [14:30] UA!? eww [14:30] yeah :( [14:30] ugh [14:30] I tried to get BA but I was too slow and the price went up [14:30] oops [14:30] loads of other Canonical gits got in there before me [14:30] \o/ [14:30] virgin to the staes is very nice espeically if you get upstairs [14:30] ← canonical git [14:31] upstairs?!?!?!?! [14:31] never been on a flight with one of those [14:31] * czajkowski never get to sprint [14:31] Laney: rather nice, very quiet and you get dibs on everything first [14:31] was the same price as Ba last time I went to UDS [14:31] bonus [14:32] haha, 12 of us on the same flight! [14:32] virgin atlantic is nice [14:32] I was mainly annoyed because I couldn't get the avios [14:32] but i disagree about upstairs. upstairs means 747, and virgin's 747s need a refurbed entertainment system stat [14:32] unless there is some hax that I don't know of to get it out of UA [14:33] avios is pointless. they have, like, 3 seats a month that you can use the points on. no avios flights to vienna until october, for example [14:33] blimey, and another 20 odd on the virgin flight [14:33] yeah but upgrades and stuff [14:37] directhex: +1 plus a shed load of tax you have to pay, I've seen flights cheaper via paying cash than rather using Avios. Not sure how that worked out. [14:38] OT | So it looks like most of the dev team are in the air this week .. stay outta redneck country people ::: http://youtu.be/GSw9sjqYK_I?t=2m11s bye. [14:40] Laney: UA? [14:41] united [14:41] Laney: Yeah, that would be because UA is part of StarAlliance and not OneWorld which BA is part of. [14:42] yeah [14:42] you can transfer through brokers I understand but not without them taking a chunk [14:42] ahayzen: popey the start time on that is rather fuzzy, I think some people will be there from 18:30ish local time [14:43] wise [14:45] and loco directory doesn't seem to handle timezones correctly [14:46] I set the timezone of the team to Europe/London and it asks for the event time in local time, but displays it as UTC using the local time I put in [14:46] AlanBell, thx ... probably be between 7-8 that I get down there :) [14:54] I wanna be there from 7, but work will be giving me free drinks from 4. Anything could happen. [14:59] google hangout for virtual visitors ;) [15:00] I'll have my headset and a beer at the ready ;) lol [15:04] MooDoo: that isn't out of the question :) [15:04] I wouldn't... [15:04] I wouldn't trust a laptop in a pub which might become unattended every once in a while [15:06] AlanBell: awesome :D [15:07] SuperMatt: MooDoo can look after it from the other end [15:07] MooDoo: shout if you see anyone nick it [15:08] hurr [15:09] will do ;) unless i'm chatting up another laptop lol [15:09] you can do hangouts from phones these days [15:09] you can :) [15:13] can you initiate them from a phone now? [15:14] you can on my s3 [15:16] wouldn't it be a bit boring someone carrying around their phone all the time? [15:21] yes [15:22] * popey starts a hangout with AlanBell on his phone [15:22] lol [15:23] AlanBell isn't picking up [15:23] ☹ [15:23] me actually logged onto his phone to see if he could see the hangout doh" [15:24] aye I do hangouts with J when I'm in ireland on the phone/tablet very handy [15:24] Aww [15:24] :) [15:24] * AlanBell was making coffee [15:25] outrage! [15:25] * popey starts another [15:26] ☹ [15:26] well that sucked [15:26] lol [15:26] not because AlanBell was in it [15:26] * redtape was having a whippy icecream :) [15:27] with 2 flakes \o/ [15:27] :) [15:27] popey: why did it suck? [15:27] in fact they told me that the 2flakes weren't up to scratch .. [15:27] so they gave me a third .. :) [15:28] i think that's my ideal job .. flake tester .. [15:29] only the crumbliest flakiest chocolate....la la la er i think that was a flake advert [15:29] hmm [15:29] Close enough [15:29] i prefer the one with the cello. [15:29] * AlanBell hung out [15:30] I'll watch it on youtube ;) [15:30] redtape: did you check did they touch the cone or flake with bare fingers? [15:30] give us the link thou .. [15:30] no they had plastic gloves .. you dont have a glove fetish do you ? [15:31] redtape: no, but future inlaws sell whippies in Littlehampton riverside and I don't have whippies from anywhere if I don't see how they handle the cone and flake first [15:31] * redtape admits to a flake fetish... [15:31] I've seen more people touching both cone and flake barehanded than not [15:31] MooDoo: the front facing camera on my phone was rubbish, but the rear facing one is OK (but then you can't see the screen [15:31] which is fine really [15:32] Aaahh .. what doesn't kill ya .. makes you strongerer. [15:32] AlanBell: you didn't want to see popey? [15:34] his eyes are like lazer bolts ! [15:35] I will be seeing the popey in person tomorrow at the release party [15:40] AlanBell: i suppose that's enough ;) [15:42] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_tZJGniorA#t=3m12s # I'm famous! [15:43] LOL [15:55] popey: what else is new? [16:00] popey, yes, stupidrubbish was mentioned on the podcast recently, too .. I have been listening ! [16:00] you need to request phone-ins more though. [16:03] phone ins are hard [16:03] we do phone interviews with people [16:03] but having random people phone us would probably lead to all kinds of issues [16:03] we have considered it in the past [16:04] ppl have called the number though. [16:04] are you ever going to google hangout a podcast recording for a giggle? [16:04] no me thnks. [16:04] be interesting to watch it [16:06] people have called the number, but we curate them, because it's a voicemail number [16:06] not a live call in [16:06] there's a few issues with hangouts [16:07] they work for multiple remote people quite well, less so for multiple people in the same room, which is what we do [16:07] tony's net connection is rubbish too [16:07] and it complicates the recording process too, because we have to route the right audio to the right place [16:08] "more hassle than it's worth" [16:16] MooDoo: none of us can help them .. they are an enterprise unto themselves. [16:19] :) [16:20] its not like we haven't considered these things [16:20] UBUNTU UK LIVE in wolverhampton ;) [16:23] ooo . isn't that 'Mick' McCarthy's patch ? tone def isn't he ? [16:23] redtape: I was just reminicing about lug radio live :) [16:23] gotcha [16:27] WebUPd8 have a new vidz out .... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB3oJga1kLQ " Unity Smart Scopes In Ubuntu 13.04 " . [16:29] first time I've really got into smart scopes TBH.. [16:33] * popey packs up his things to go to Studio A for podcasting === alan_g is now known as alan_g|life === legend is now known as Guest88845 [18:04] oo http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-22277084 [18:16] Myrtti: That's only because the beep wants to be definitive arseholes .. they r the best at that. [18:17] er, ok? [18:17] I'm not sure how that follows [18:17] twiter tweet = beep tweet (tweet of tweets). [18:18] the beep .. when is it ever 'interactive' anyway ? [18:18] it's a one way street. [18:18] rant over. [18:19] ooookkkay [18:19] I still didn't understand but that's fine I suppose, I'm not native [18:20] still hate the fact they are included in firefox by default. === GentileBen is now known as GentilePotato === GentilePotato is now known as ClaudeTheFascist [18:39] I like ClaudeTheFascist, stick with that one :) [18:40] as long as he sticks to it, the /ignore will as well ;) [20:01] http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org:8000/uupc.mp3 foesmt work [20:01] no sounds.. [20:06] hmm? [20:06] works for me [20:06] just tried it [20:08] mungbean, try using VLC player...FireFox for me just sits there with no sound [20:10] ahoy me hearties [20:10] anyone tried shinken before? it's a nagios-like monitoring platform [20:13] never heard of it [20:14] ok, great feedback! :) [20:14] (just kidding) [20:14] whats yr reqirement [20:15] to monitor stuff, and when stuff goes wrong, to know about it [20:15] http://www.slideshare.net/sihil/winning-the-metrics-battle [20:15] friend of mine made this pres [20:15] i'd normally deploy nagios but i'm just looking at the alternatives before i settle back into my usual routine [20:17] nice [20:17] i was about to cry into my laptop about 5 slides in, but then it got interesting [20:18] ah, rabbitmq, we meet again [20:21] he did sa talk at london devops i think was recorded [21:12] popey: I vaguely remember you talking about a wattage measuring deviceyou interfaced with your server, which model was it please? [21:12] i.e. to measure house power usage === dwatkins_ is now known as dwatkins [21:30] dwatkins: Are you the one from Scotland ? [21:30] dwatkins: currentcost [21:51] thanks popey [21:51] redtape: I'm in Scotland... [21:56] Where's daftykins .. haven't heard from him in ages ? [22:09] heh, I'm very tempted to get one of those power meters now. [22:11] http://popey.com/house/ [22:11] wheee [22:15] popey: superb, I think I found details on getting that up and running with rrdtool, and the devices are on ebay for £20, should be a nice little weekend project. [22:18] http://popey.com/~alan/house/scripts/ [22:18] ^^ the scripts I use [22:20] ooh, thanks :)