[04:47] <inetpro> Good morning superfly 
[04:47] <inetpro> Oh and good morning everyone else 
[05:13] <Squirm> Symmetria: who's your ISP?
[06:05] <trender> (.)(.)
[06:05] <trender>   __
[06:06]  * Squirm scolds trender 
[06:06] <Squirm> too many boobies
[06:06] <Squirm> this is getting ridiculous
[06:06] <Squirm> :/
[06:07] <trender> mornin
[06:07] <Squirm> morn
[06:08] <Squirm> "Like and share to win a UK flag costume"
[06:08] <Squirm> really? UK flag
[06:11] <Squirm> Union jack you chops
[06:12] <magespawn> Good Morning
[06:13] <magespawn> inetpro is the power off in Pretoria?
[06:13] <magespawn> i see Kilos is not in yet
[06:19] <Kilos> hi magespawn and others
[06:22] <magespawn> hey  Kilos
[06:24] <Kilos> hi HawkiesZA 
[06:24] <HawkiesZA> Morning Kilos 
[06:38] <inetpro> magespawn: no, why?
[06:39] <inetpro> good morning HawkiesZA, magespawn, Squirm and trender
[06:39] <magespawn> inetpro nah jsut saw Kilos was not here that is all
[06:42] <HawkiesZA> Morning inetpro 
[06:44] <magespawn> Hi HawkiesZA maiatoday
[06:50] <maiatoday> hi magespawn
[06:50] <HawkiesZA> hiya magespawn 
[06:50] <inetpro> magespawn: the amount of power failures they have in his area must be extremely frustrating
[07:12] <superfly> morning inetpro, Squirm, magespawn, maiatoday, ki<tab>
[07:12] <superfly> and I've already said hello to HawkiesZA ;-)
[07:12] <Symmetria> lo all
[07:12] <Symmetria> heh, man, going through the juniper training materials of their "basic" course, lol, looking at this stuff and speaking to people who are on that course, there is no way I would ever send anyone near a cisco training course again
[07:19] <magespawn> hey Symmetria
[07:19] <magespawn> how is juniper better?
[07:19] <Symmetria> magespawn well, under cisco basic training, its... so basic you never really learn anything useful
[07:19] <magespawn> ahh right, so mostly have to learn yourself then
[07:25] <Symmetria> yeah
[07:37] <magespawn> Symmetria: how do the products rate against each other?
[07:41] <maiatoday> hi superfly
[08:12] <Symmetria> magespawn heh I would take a juniper over a cisco any time, any day, any where
[08:12] <Symmetria> more stable, better features, far easier to work with on a CLI basis, and cheaper 
[08:33] <Tinuva> one would have thought that ubuntu 13.04 final isos would almost be out by now :(
[08:39] <magespawn> Symmetria: i thought Cisco was sort of the industry standard
[08:39] <Tinuva> magespawn, that doesn't make them the best, just the minimum standard
[08:40] <magespawn> ahh
[08:40] <magespawn> also a lot of the job descriptions ask for Cisco qualidications not Juniper
[08:40] <magespawn> qualfications
[08:41] <magespawn> spelling/typing up the pipe today
[08:44] <magespawn> qualifications
[08:45] <Symmetria> magespawn heh, if you can show juniper qualifications
[08:45] <Tinuva> imho, you should understand networking in such a way, that you are not limited to a specific brand, but can do what is needed with what you are given, having said that, for obvious reasons the equipment regardless of brand should be able to do what you need to do
[08:45] <Symmetria> most job descriptions will take you anyway
[08:46] <Symmetria> Tinuva I 100% agree with you, though there are certain vendors where that doesnt totally apply
[08:46] <Symmetria> like anything by alcatel, that will make you wanna shoot yourself in the head
[08:46] <Symmetria> alcatel command line is like... ip routing designed by voice engineers that dont understand ip ;p
[08:47] <magespawn> i thought Cisco qualifications were needed because of the software on the equipment
[08:47] <Tinuva> heh
[08:47] <Symmetria> magespawn networking is all about understanding the protocols 
[08:47] <Symmetria> once you understand the protocosl, everything else is syntax 
[08:47] <Symmetria> and the syntax, any idiot with a good understanding of the underlying protocols can figure out
[08:48] <magespawn> right always good to know
[08:48] <Symmetria> put it this way, I took a juniper router never having touched the thing in my life, and configured an entire backbone node with mpls, ip, ipv6, msdp, pim and a bunch of other shit, in under 2 hours 
[08:48] <Symmetria> (and I've stuck to juniper ever since) 
[08:49] <Symmetria> heh, and I was simply able to do that because I know the underlying protocols
[08:49] <Symmetria> but like I said, its a general rule, with exceptions, it takes an hour to figure out how to put a damn ip on an alcatel ;p
[08:49]  * Symmetria hates
[08:49] <Tinuva> oh and Symmetria is your average network engineer....
[08:49] <Tinuva> :P
[08:50] <Symmetria> Tinuva lol, there are plenty of network engineers out there that would agree with me
[08:50] <Symmetria> the problem is that most people train by syntax
[08:50] <Symmetria> not train by protocol
[08:50] <Tinuva> i wasnt disagreeing, that was sarcasm :)
[08:50] <Symmetria> and thats a mess and leads to bad engineers ;p
[08:50] <Symmetria> I always wanna slap people who teach exact syntax 
[08:51] <Tinuva> pretty sure most people know youve done some great work
[08:51] <Symmetria> (this is the major problem with half the people I come across in the industry, they can configure bgp and ospf and is-is etc, but since they are all trained in syntax rather than protocols, when you ask them to debug anything, they are *screwed* because they don't actually understand what they are configuring)
[08:55] <magespawn> almost plug and play
[09:00] <magespawn> either way, it is a little way off for me, just completed a N+ course
[09:01] <Symmetria> magespawn reality is, networking isnt complicated
[09:01] <Symmetria> if you understand the base theory behind it, its all pretty logical and easy
[09:09] <Tinuva> the only hard part is engineering the most awesome network with a tight budget
[09:10] <Tinuva> atleast that is where i find i spend most of my time
[09:10] <magespawn> later all, got to go swop out a switch
[09:11] <Symmetria> Tinuva heh, networks are expensive
[09:12] <Symmetria> the moment you wanna do anything that contains full bgp tables 
[09:12] <Symmetria> or proper L3 protocols 
[09:12] <Symmetria> prices start going up, a lot
[09:12] <Tinuva> exactly the problem
[09:12] <Symmetria> and once you start hitting 10 and 100gig, well, yeah then you into multiple ferrari style money
[09:13] <Symmetria> a university client of mine just spent 5.4 million on their new core 
[09:13] <Symmetria> Tinuva at the same time, particularly in the SP world, you cannot go cheap, if you do, you're gonna end up replacing it all anyway and spending even more money
[09:13] <tonberryE352> you could always buy huawei, then your network will be both cheap AND broken
[09:14] <Symmetria> (and you wont be allowed to properly operate it, hauwei will wanna control your whole network)
[09:15] <Tinuva> you cant take that away from the chinese now can you :P
[09:15] <Symmetria> heh for me, if you're doing routed networks, reality is, you have two choices, cisco and juniper 
[09:15] <Symmetria> if you're doing switched networks, straight layer 2, you got far more realistic choices
[09:16] <Symmetria> I mean, I know there are people who like the ALU stuff, and they have a fairly decent market segment in the PE side, but ugh, no thanks, not for me
[09:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornign all
[09:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning too
[09:20] <Symmetria> lol I will confess that there are various environments where I have switched to using linux as an RS
[09:20] <Symmetria> linux actually makes a very cheap, very reliable, and very stable RS
[09:20] <Symmetria> RS/RR
[11:34] <Kilos> afternoon all. power returned. yay
[12:50] <superfly> hi Kilos
[12:51] <Kilos> ohi superfly 
[12:51] <Kilos> new ubuntu tomorrow
[13:02] <charl_> good afternoon
[13:02] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[13:03]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[13:03] <Kilos> hi charl_ 
[13:03] <Kilos> Maaz: coffee please
[13:03] <Maaz> Kilos: Alrighty
[13:04] <charl_> hi Kilos 
[13:07] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_ and Kilos!
[13:07] <Kilos> Maaz: ty
[13:07] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[13:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> hi all
[13:23] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[13:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://slexy.org/view/s2vr10BRJF
[13:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> if those 2 boxes will run memcached and nothing else, would you set memcached's cap to the actual free memory (i.e. ignoring buffers/cache) or let the O/S have the buffers and cache and use the "free" value on the first line?
[13:31] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: has IP not managed to move to Redis yet?
[13:31] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: I'd probably use physical ram
[13:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> it needs to be $physical_ram-$something
[13:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> there must be overhead or else mad swapping will start when memcache reaches its cap
[13:32] <superfly> true
[13:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> i just can't decide whether $something should include or exclude buffers & cache
[13:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> and IP does his own thing, i'm trying to work out a way to have my memcached config be adjustable depending on the memory
[13:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> since we have different memcacheds with different ram
[13:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> i can get puppet to set the memory cap, i just need to figure out what to base the calculation on
[13:46] <charl_> are we up for tomorrow release?
[13:46] <charl_> i am looking forward to it
[14:01] <Kilos> hi grantw 
[14:18] <grantw> tumbleweed: hey, I want to add you as an organizer for my meetup group
[14:21] <charl_> ciao
[14:36] <grantw> tumbleweed: the idea of the group is not to replace CLUG, but more to speak the work more efficiently and try get more people interested
[14:53] <Squirm> don't deliver with Bercoexpress
[14:53] <Squirm> EVER
[14:53] <Symmetria> heh
[14:53] <Squirm> Economy service -> 24-48 hours. Fine. All good. It has only been at a guess 55 hours.
[14:53] <Symmetria> Ive used berco for some pretty heavy stuff before
[14:54] <Squirm> but they can't tell me where my package is
[14:54] <Symmetria> it got there in one piece
[14:54] <Squirm> at 20:4 last night, it was checked out for delivery from Durban
[14:54] <Squirm> 20:45
[14:54] <Squirm> fine, I live 1.5hours from Durban
[14:54] <Squirm> they can't tell me where it has been all day today :/
[14:54] <Squirm> that's what's bugging me
[14:54] <Squirm> their Agent has it
[14:55] <Squirm> and the only person that has the agents number is off
[14:55] <Symmetria> what package is it?
[14:55] <Squirm> my S3
[14:55] <Squirm> :/
[14:55] <Symmetria> squirm lol, actually, I had berco once meant to deliver me some stuff in mtunzini
[14:55] <Symmetria> they couldnt find the place
[14:55] <Symmetria> so they went to do other deliveries first
[14:55] <Squirm> lol
[14:55] <Symmetria> except, the other deliveries... were in pongola 
[14:56] <Symmetria> so they drove 2 million bux worth of highly sensitive hardware on the back of a truck to pongola and back
[14:56] <Symmetria> and arrived 12 hours later
[14:56] <Squirm> she's like, delivering to Mooi River -> Yes -> Is that in Durban? -> Really woman. it's Mooi River
[14:56] <Squirm> Symmetria: zini is slightly smaller than Mooi River
[14:56] <Squirm> actually, maybe the same size, except mooi is ON the N3
[14:57] <Squirm> she's like, contact me tomorrow and we'll see
[14:57] <Squirm> 11am tomorrow is 72 hours
[14:57] <Squirm> and still doesn't answer my question on where my parcel actually is
[16:07] <magespawn> evening all
[16:09] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[16:09] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[16:22] <magespawn> is this how i would add a border to an element in css "border: 1px solid #4682b4;"?
[16:22] <magespawn> codecademy course
[16:22] <Cantide> 13.04 coming tomorrow :)
[16:23] <magespawn> hey Cantide
[16:23] <Cantide> magespawn, looks right to me
[16:23] <Cantide> and hello :)
[16:23] <magespawn> maybe the problem is on their side
[16:24] <Cantide> :-S
[16:24] <Cantide> you could always make some html + css up quickly and test it
[16:25] <magespawn> there is, here is the whole style sheet http://slexy.org/view/s20dPYGtB1
[16:26] <magespawn> but the website keeps says my img is ony 19px high and will not let me progress
[16:29] <Cantide> hmm
[16:30] <Symmetria> magespawn lol wanna see some interesting network gear?
[16:30] <magespawn> always
[16:30] <Symmetria> http://www.inetpro.org/pastebin/09e08de8ca1a4f478cf0ce067a5d86a2
[16:30] <Symmetria> ;p thats the new core thats at one of the universities
[16:30] <magespawn> going to try another os and browser
[16:31] <Symmetria> those interfaces just make me smile
[16:33] <magespawn> i'll be honest most of that does not make that much sense to me 
[16:33] <Symmetria> magespawn lol, the important parts
[16:33] <Symmetria> are the vast numbers of 10gig and 100gig interfaces
[16:36] <magespawn> Cantide works fine in IE on windows
[16:36] <magespawn> so must be a browser problem
[16:37] <Cantide> magespawn, could be
[16:37] <Cantide> still looks fine to me :<
[16:37] <magespawn> everything else up until now has worked fine though
[16:37] <magespawn> naybe just a glitch with their site
[16:37] <magespawn> maybe even
[16:37] <magespawn> Symmetria: how do you know which are which?
[16:38] <magespawn> from this PIC 2                 BUILTIN      BUILTIN           1X100GE CXP
[16:39] <Symmetria> magespawn thats the actual line card
[16:39] <Symmetria> with 1 x 100G interface on it
[16:39] <magespawn> so there are two 100G with 32 10G?
[16:40] <magespawn> sorry 20 10G?
[16:40] <magespawn> 16? i will learn to add not multiply
[16:40] <Symmetria> 2 x 100G + 16 x 10G per chassis
[16:41] <Symmetria> x 2 chassis's
[16:41] <Symmetria> which run as a single virtual system
[16:41] <Symmetria> so in total, 4 x 100G and 32 x 10G 
[16:41] <Symmetria> then the 10G's are aggregated into 16 x 20G aggregated links
[16:41] <Symmetria> (which is the LACP at the bottom)
[16:42] <magespawn> nice
[16:42] <magespawn> is it enough?
[16:43] <Symmetria> hehe just
[16:43] <Symmetria> thats university of the free state
[16:45] <Cantide> university of the free bandwidth '<
[16:45] <magespawn> looks like it
[17:09] <magespawn> think i need to go work somewhere like that
[17:54] <magespawn> or maybe study
[17:55] <magespawn> or just lie around soaking up the net
[18:00] <nuvolari> o/ hello's
[18:01] <nuvolari> superfly: ping
[18:01] <nuvolari> or anyone with an Afr-Eng dictionary around
[18:01]  * nuvolari googles too
[18:06] <magespawn> nuvolari: i have my wife, almost the same thing
[18:07] <nuvolari> magespawn: that's good enough, it's not a difficult word: songs -> liedere or liedjies
[18:07] <nuvolari> but I've come around some people (a family) that use the word liede
[18:07] <nuvolari> which I doubt is an existing afrikaans word
[18:07] <magespawn> hold i will ask
[18:07] <nuvolari> thanks magespawn 
[18:14]  * nuvolari discovered a Dutch Smurf album :P
[18:14] <nuvolari> pretty funny
[18:15] <Kilos> methinks both could work nuvolari 
[18:15] <nuvolari> oom Kilos, it's not the 2 i'm worried about, it's the one, 'liede'
[18:16] <Kilos> dunno if there is some way of saying which one means what kinda songs
[18:16] <magespawn> nuvolari: she says liedjies
[18:16] <nuvolari> magespawn: thanks
[18:16] <Kilos> liedjies is the normal one but somehow liedere dont sound wrong either
[18:17] <nuvolari> magespawn: could you maybe confirm with her if 'liede' is an existing word
[18:17] <magespawn> anyway. i am on my way home, later all
[18:17] <Kilos> inetpro: liedere + liedjies
[18:17] <Kilos> latyer magespawn 
[18:17] <Kilos> no liede isnt
[18:17] <nuvolari> oom Kilos, read my lips, er, text, liedere + liedjies is valid, that I know, but I want to confirm 'liede'
[18:17] <nuvolari> thanks oom
[18:17] <Kilos> no word liede
[18:18] <Kilos> imo
[18:18] <magespawn> she says liedere is the actual word but liede is also okay
[18:19] <nuvolari> :O
[18:19] <nuvolari> sounds all wrong
[18:19] <nuvolari> :P
[18:19] <Tonberry> :o
[18:19] <nuvolari> but thanks magespawn 
[18:19] <magespawn> np
[18:19] <magespawn> later all
[18:19] <superfly> nuvolari: have you tried Google Translate?
[18:19] <nuvolari> cheerio
[18:19] <Cantide> google translate made me lol so hard the other day :D
[18:20] <Cantide> http://translate.google.com/#ko/en/%EA%B4%9C%EC%B0%AE%EC%9D%80%EB%92%88
[18:20] <Cantide> it actually means "i'm fine"
[18:21] <nuvolari> superfly: affirmative, 'liede' is detected as songs, but 'songs' don't show liede as a similee(?)
[18:21] <Tonberry> it does tens towards amusing translations
[18:21] <superfly> simile
[18:22] <nuvolari> ah, thanks superfly 
[18:22] <Tonberry> http://translate.google.com/#af/en/Fokofpolisiekar
[18:22] <nuvolari> Synonym is the word
[18:22] <nuvolari> lol Tonberry 
[18:22] <Tonberry> i think someone is trolling it
[18:23] <nuvolari> yeah
[18:23] <nuvolari> same as with blue bulls a while ago
[18:28] <Kilos> wow ive never heard the word liede used
[18:47] <magespawn> right home
[18:49] <magespawn> benefits to living in Hluhluwe, travel time home to work = 10 min
[18:49] <Kilos> lol
[18:51] <nuvolari> rushour = 12 min
[18:51] <nuvolari> *rush hour
[18:52] <Kilos> there is no rush hour in hluhluwe
[18:52] <Kilos> thay always half asleep
[18:52] <magespawn> we call it slow hour
[18:52] <nuvolari> lol
[18:53] <nuvolari> we call it sunday afternoon
[18:55] <magespawn> nothing happens here then, you might even be able to sleep on the main road
[18:56] <nuvolari> magespawn: crime?
[18:57] <magespawn> not much, seems to happen in waves, so nothing really constant
[18:59]  * superfly is looking forward to visiting a laid-back place. Cape Town is too busy these days.
[19:07] <magespawn> from twitter http://www.pcworld.com/article/249951/if_it_aint_broke_dont_fix_it_ancient_computers_in_use_today.html
[19:15] <Tonberry> if it's that old it will probably break soon...
[19:16] <Tonberry> or so much later that there is truly no hope for any form of recovery
[19:24] <magespawn> still amazing that it isnstill running
[19:32] <inetpro> nuvolari, Kilos: liede would probably be the german Lieder
[19:32] <inetpro> Lieder = songs
[19:32] <inetpro> or liedere in Afrikaans
[19:32] <Kilos> ah ty inetpro sounds so wrong in afrikaans
[19:33] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:34] <nuvolari> night oom Kilos 
[19:34] <nuvolari> lekker slaap
[19:34] <nuvolari> thanks inetpro 
[19:34] <Kilos> dankie boetie jy ook
[19:34] <inetpro> nag nuvolari
[19:34] <nuvolari> eh? I'm still coding
[19:34] <nuvolari> :P
[19:34] <inetpro> ahh
[19:34] <inetpro> oops... kilos gone
[19:45] <magespawn> does tend to make a rapid exit
[20:17]  * inetpro falling asleep
[20:17] <inetpro> good night everyone
[20:19] <nuvolari> night inetpro 
[20:19]  * nuvolari follows suit
[20:19] <nuvolari> I guess all this yawning means something
[20:19] <nuvolari> :P
[20:36] <magespawn> yup night all