micahgbluesabre: move from project -> distro to move to Ubuntu, also affects distro for a second task00:33
micahgbluesabre: if zeitgeist isn't normally used, it should be suggests, otherwise, recommends (depends is only if it'll break without it)00:34
bluesabremicahg, right.  I've added a comment about that in the comments on that bug00:34
Noskcajanyone able to help the kubuntu guys with  bug 117205907:38
ubottubug 1172059 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Raring) "kubuntu ubiquity encryption doesn't check password" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117205907:38
knomewas there a specific page where the new release model was described?08:53
knomehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseCadence/RollingRelease would be meh for the release ntoes08:53
elfyI don't think there is any definitve description of it yet - I've not seen anything definitive at all - just a whole lot of we might/could/should do this08:54
knomeo hai elfy :)08:55
elfyhi knome :)08:57
Noskcajknome, to my knowledge they're working it out during S series, nothing confirmed yet. i do believe Lubuntu had a vote on it and were against a rolling release.09:05
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knomepeople i the team, please review http://xubuntu.org/wp-admin/post.php?post=1684&action=edit09:32
knome(and if you make changes, please click "save draft", not "publish" :)09:32
knome(actually you shouldn't be able to publish unless you're on the web team, so nvm)09:33
Noskcajlooking now09:34
Noskcajit won't even let me access the page, oh well09:36
elfylooking now 09:36
knome"pepole in the team" :)09:37
Noskcaji feel excluded ;)09:37
knomebut we should look at that after the release as well09:37
elfylooks ok to me - I'd maybe change Starting from 13.04 to Starting with 13.04 but that's possibly my old and corrupted use of English 09:38
knomedone :P09:38
knomeNoskcaj, http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/raring_website/releaseannouncement.png09:39
elfynot sure about 'too many' the too seems superfluous 09:40
knomewhere exactly09:40
elfyXubuntu 13.04 is mostly a maintenance release, and there aren't too many new features. However, there are some changes, which include:09:40
elfyok - I could have done it lol 09:41
knomeyeah... :)09:41
knomeotoh i have the edit lock09:41
knomewhich is not an edit lock09:41
elfyjust never sure bout my old hampshire english09:41
elfyok - I couldn't have done it lol 09:41
elfyof course if I'd read the big red bit that said 'Pasi is ... ' ;)09:42
Noskcajone thing, you don't need a dvd or usb stick to install 13.04. the way you've worded that makes it seem like the only options09:42
knomeelfy, yeah, that's the so-called edit lock.. it won't actually stop you from editing it :P09:42
knomeNoskcaj, what are the other options then really?09:43
elfywell it'll not fit on a cd ... and I'm not sure many will want to get into trying to use grub to boot it 09:43
knomeof course you can do the weirdest things to install it... but if you know how to do that, you don't need us telling what you can use09:43
knome...and if you don't, you shouldn't, and we shouldn't encourage it any way09:44
Noskcajknome, mini.iso, upgrade, splice, blu-ray, network install, disk image...09:44
knomethe only thing we *might* consider pointing out is the upgrade09:44
knomewe never done that before either though09:44
elfywhich are things most people wouldn't use 09:44
knomeand the minimal iso is not even really xubuntu09:45
knomeit's just a general way09:45
Noskcajknome, yes, but it's still "installing xubuntu"09:45
Noskcaji see your point though.09:45
elfyyou could install xubuntu by installing ubuntu and then installing xubuntu-desktop and then removing ubuntu 09:45
Noskcajcould you change it to a "we reccomend" type thing09:46
Noskcajelfy, yes09:46
knomeor by copying the files individually to your HDD...09:46
Noskcajwhat i meant with disk image09:46
elfybut mostly that page is a 'news' page so it needs to be short and snappy so people read the whole page - very important they get to the end and see the release notes imo09:47
knomeNoskcaj, if we say "we recommend" that clearly says "there are other ways as well", or somebody could even take it as "you could even do that with CD, but we don't tell yo how"09:47
elfyknome: I think recommend would be ok, given that we say at the bottom the iso won't fit on a CD09:48
Noskcajknome, good point09:48
knomewell, we do say "you will need other media *such as*"09:49
elfywe're in danger of over examining it :)09:49
knomeyes, definitely09:49
knomei think the current wording is fine09:49
elfygo for it :)09:50
Noskcajyeah, i agree09:50
knomei just changed the wording in the intro sentence to "such as" as well09:50
Noskcajsounds good09:52
ochosiknome: re:release-announcement: instead of just mentioning greybird, i'd say "and our icon-theme"11:04
knomeochosi, you can edit it yourself...12:03
elfyjust a small point here - should the settings manager have customise your desktop as it's decription once you open it? 12:38
elfygiven that a whole bunch of other things are in there - perhaps settings manager to match it's menu entry12:38
ubottuUbuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases12:56
GridCubewell, today its release day? correct?12:56
elfy25th I thought12:56
GridCubeoh right12:57
elfyI could be wrong 12:57
skellatNope, 25th12:57
skellatWe do need to edit the factoid to reflect that non-LTS releases are only supported for 9 months starting with 13.0412:58
knomethe release day is always a thursday13:50
knomeelfy, we'll need to fix the settings manager description for S13:51
GridCubei never learn the proper correlation of the day names to spanish, :P so i always mess them up13:52
elfyknome: cool - might even be something I could fix lol 13:52
elfynot even sure why I noticed that13:52
knome!release | skellat 13:53
ubottuskellat: Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 9 months to 5 years. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases13:53
knomewe should probably do a xubuntu-specific factoid out of that though13:54
knome!release-#xubuntu | skellat, that good?13:54
ubottuskellat, that good?: Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 9 months (regular releases) to 3 years (long-term suppport (LTS) releases). More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases13:54
ubottuXubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 9 months (regular releases) to 3 years (long-term suppport (LTS) releases). More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases13:55
skellatknome: Looks good16:27
skellatknome ochosi Is LP Bug #1163504 known to affect us in artwork in any way?16:34
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1163504 in kdenetwork (Ubuntu Raring) "Trademarked assets" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/116350416:35
skellatAlrighty, it looks like xubuntu-artwork is clean of The Forbidden Trademarked Asset...namely the Skype icon.  We're good to go on that account then.17:02
ochosiskellat: yeah, i tried to avoid that. the only thing we ship is a png-converted version of the firefox and thunderbird icons in 64px19:09
Unit193knome: That mean you wouldn't really want to publish the other one I drafted?19:33
knomeskellat, oh, ok :)21:22
knomeUnit193, what that? :)21:22
knomeUnit193, the plop article? no, i think it's fine.21:22
knomeUnit193, it's just that i don't think we should be too technical in our release announcement.21:22
Unit193Was mainly referring to "...and if you don't, you shouldn't, and we shouldn't encourage it any way" and figured I'd ask.  Otherwise I think this close to release, it can be published (or at release, I don't care too much.)21:23
Unit193knome: And yeah, I agree with that.21:23
knomewell, i mean in the release announcement21:24
alpacaherderknome: I'm out at the farm but I got this put into the queue as a placeholder regardless of how the leader election turns out: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/xubuntu-desktop/+spec/client-xubuntu-130523:53
* alpacaherder disappears to go be with family23:55

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