[00:33] <micahg> bluesabre: move from project -> distro to move to Ubuntu, also affects distro for a second task
[00:34] <micahg> bluesabre: if zeitgeist isn't normally used, it should be suggests, otherwise, recommends (depends is only if it'll break without it)
[00:34] <bluesabre> micahg, right.  I've added a comment about that in the comments on that bug
[07:38] <Noskcaj> anyone able to help the kubuntu guys with  bug 1172059
[08:53] <knome> was there a specific page where the new release model was described?
[08:53] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseCadence/RollingRelease would be meh for the release ntoes
[08:53] <knome> *notes
[08:54] <elfy> I don't think there is any definitve description of it yet - I've not seen anything definitive at all - just a whole lot of we might/could/should do this
[08:55] <knome> o hai elfy :)
[08:57] <elfy> hi knome :)
[09:05] <Noskcaj> knome, to my knowledge they're working it out during S series, nothing confirmed yet. i do believe Lubuntu had a vote on it and were against a rolling release.
[09:32] <knome> people i the team, please review http://xubuntu.org/wp-admin/post.php?post=1684&action=edit
[09:32] <knome> (and if you make changes, please click "save draft", not "publish" :)
[09:33] <knome> (actually you shouldn't be able to publish unless you're on the web team, so nvm)
[09:34] <Noskcaj> looking now
[09:36] <Noskcaj> it won't even let me access the page, oh well
[09:36] <elfy> looking now 
[09:37] <knome> "pepole in the team" :)
[09:37] <Noskcaj> :(
[09:37] <Noskcaj> i feel excluded ;)
[09:37] <knome> but we should look at that after the release as well
[09:38] <elfy> looks ok to me - I'd maybe change Starting from 13.04 to Starting with 13.04 but that's possibly my old and corrupted use of English 
[09:38] <knome> done :P
[09:39] <knome> Noskcaj, http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/raring_website/releaseannouncement.png
[09:40] <elfy> not sure about 'too many' the too seems superfluous 
[09:40] <knome> where exactly
[09:40] <elfy> Xubuntu 13.04 is mostly a maintenance release, and there aren't too many new features. However, there are some changes, which include:
[09:40] <knome> oh
[09:40] <knome> done
[09:41] <elfy> ok - I could have done it lol 
[09:41] <knome> yeah... :)
[09:41] <knome> otoh i have the edit lock
[09:41] <knome> which is not an edit lock
[09:41] <elfy> just never sure bout my old hampshire english
[09:41] <knome> :P
[09:41] <elfy> ok - I couldn't have done it lol 
[09:41] <elfy> :p
[09:41] <knome> yup
[09:42] <elfy> of course if I'd read the big red bit that said 'Pasi is ... ' ;)
[09:42] <Noskcaj> one thing, you don't need a dvd or usb stick to install 13.04. the way you've worded that makes it seem like the only options
[09:42] <knome> elfy, yeah, that's the so-called edit lock.. it won't actually stop you from editing it :P
[09:43] <knome> Noskcaj, what are the other options then really?
[09:43] <elfy> well it'll not fit on a cd ... and I'm not sure many will want to get into trying to use grub to boot it 
[09:43] <knome> exactly
[09:43] <knome> of course you can do the weirdest things to install it... but if you know how to do that, you don't need us telling what you can use
[09:44] <knome> ...and if you don't, you shouldn't, and we shouldn't encourage it any way
[09:44] <Noskcaj> knome, mini.iso, upgrade, splice, blu-ray, network install, disk image...
[09:44] <knome> the only thing we *might* consider pointing out is the upgrade
[09:44] <knome> we never done that before either though
[09:44] <elfy> which are things most people wouldn't use 
[09:45] <knome> and the minimal iso is not even really xubuntu
[09:45] <knome> it's just a general way
[09:45] <Noskcaj> knome, yes, but it's still "installing xubuntu"
[09:45] <Noskcaj> i see your point though.
[09:45] <elfy> you could install xubuntu by installing ubuntu and then installing xubuntu-desktop and then removing ubuntu 
[09:46] <Noskcaj> could you change it to a "we reccomend" type thing
[09:46] <Noskcaj> elfy, yes
[09:46] <knome> or by copying the files individually to your HDD...
[09:46] <Noskcaj> what i meant with disk image
[09:47] <elfy> but mostly that page is a 'news' page so it needs to be short and snappy so people read the whole page - very important they get to the end and see the release notes imo
[09:47] <knome> Noskcaj, if we say "we recommend" that clearly says "there are other ways as well", or somebody could even take it as "you could even do that with CD, but we don't tell yo how"
[09:48] <elfy> knome: I think recommend would be ok, given that we say at the bottom the iso won't fit on a CD
[09:48] <Noskcaj> knome, good point
[09:49] <knome> well, we do say "you will need other media *such as*"
[09:49] <elfy> we're in danger of over examining it :)
[09:49] <knome> yes, definitely
[09:49] <knome> i think the current wording is fine
[09:50] <elfy> go for it :)
[09:50] <Noskcaj> yeah, i agree
[09:50] <knome> i just changed the wording in the intro sentence to "such as" as well
[09:52] <Noskcaj> sounds good
[09:54] <elfy> k
[11:04] <ochosi> knome: re:release-announcement: instead of just mentioning greybird, i'd say "and our icon-theme"
[12:03] <knome> ochosi, you can edit it yourself...
[12:38] <elfy> just a small point here - should the settings manager have customise your desktop as it's decription once you open it? 
[12:38] <elfy> given that a whole bunch of other things are in there - perhaps settings manager to match it's menu entry
[12:56] <GridCube> !release
[12:56] <GridCube> well, today its release day? correct?
[12:56] <elfy> 25th I thought
[12:57] <GridCube> oh right
[12:57] <GridCube> :)
[12:57] <elfy> I could be wrong 
[12:57] <skellat> Nope, 25th
[12:58] <skellat> We do need to edit the factoid to reflect that non-LTS releases are only supported for 9 months starting with 13.04
[12:58] <elfy> yep
[13:50] <knome> the release day is always a thursday
[13:51] <knome> elfy, we'll need to fix the settings manager description for S
[13:52] <GridCube> i never learn the proper correlation of the day names to spanish, :P so i always mess them up
[13:52] <elfy> knome: cool - might even be something I could fix lol 
[13:52] <elfy> not even sure why I noticed that
[13:53] <knome> !release | skellat 
[13:54] <knome> we should probably do a xubuntu-specific factoid out of that though
[13:54] <knome> !release-#xubuntu | skellat, that good?
[13:55] <knome> err
[13:55] <knome> !release-#xubuntu
[13:55] <knome> that
[13:56] <knome> bbl.
[16:27] <skellat> knome: Looks good
[16:34] <skellat> knome ochosi Is LP Bug #1163504 known to affect us in artwork in any way?
[17:02] <skellat> Alrighty, it looks like xubuntu-artwork is clean of The Forbidden Trademarked Asset...namely the Skype icon.  We're good to go on that account then.
[19:09] <ochosi> skellat: yeah, i tried to avoid that. the only thing we ship is a png-converted version of the firefox and thunderbird icons in 64px
[19:33] <Unit193> knome: That mean you wouldn't really want to publish the other one I drafted?
[21:22] <knome> skellat, oh, ok :)
[21:22] <knome> Unit193, what that? :)
[21:22] <knome> Unit193, the plop article? no, i think it's fine.
[21:22] <knome> Unit193, it's just that i don't think we should be too technical in our release announcement.
[21:23] <Unit193> Was mainly referring to "...and if you don't, you shouldn't, and we shouldn't encourage it any way" and figured I'd ask.  Otherwise I think this close to release, it can be published (or at release, I don't care too much.)
[21:23] <Unit193> knome: And yeah, I agree with that.
[21:23] <knome> ah
[21:24] <knome> well, i mean in the release announcement
[23:53] <alpacaherder> knome: I'm out at the farm but I got this put into the queue as a placeholder regardless of how the leader election turns out: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/xubuntu-desktop/+spec/client-xubuntu-1305
[23:55]  * alpacaherder disappears to go be with family