_098v_Does anyone know how to install different themes for Xubuntu 12.10?00:29
Furahhi guys, I've run into a bit of a problem02:06
Furahon the weekend I updated my kernel and now I cannot boot into xubuntu, it just freezes at the blue loading screen with the bar that moves side to side02:07
Furahtrying to boot from older kernels gets stuck loading ramdisk02:07
Armando2Woot testing great so far, no errors encountered03:38
SonikkuAmericaArmando2: For Raring?03:39
Armando2Daily spin03:39
SonikkuAmericaIt's in release candidate phase, so pretty much from this pt. forward WYSIWYG03:39
Armando2not bad, I did see a lot of visuals improve over the weeks03:40
SonikkuAmericaSuch as...? You'll need to bring me up to speed, I use Unity and haven't put VBox back in my system yet...03:45
SonikkuAmericaI've worked with Xubuntu before of course03:45
SonikkuAmericaBut only LTS releases03:45
Armando2Xubuntu's login prompt is what comes to mind, it picks up the theme correctly03:46
SonikkuAmericaWhat do you mean, "picks it correctly"? I don't get what that means.03:46
Armando2earlier dailies would have a login panel with white text over a light grey background. Only by clicking on a pull down menu would text be visible on a highlight03:47
Armando2Then it was fixed before I could report it03:47
SonikkuAmericaOh. (Dailies all right.)03:47
SonikkuAmericaUsually lightdm-gtk-greeter is fun to try and comprehend in dailies.03:48
Armando2Yeah, it's been fun though downloading and Vboxing03:49
SonikkuAmericaVBox is fun to run other OS's in, especially when you have Windows-specific programs that hate on Wine.03:50
SonikkuAmericaLike Sibelius.03:50
KvasirHey can I ask a quick question re-xubuntu?03:51
KvasirWill it run on a macbook 1,1? :s03:51
Armando2Mine is just for office, xbox360 and a game like urbanterror get my fps fix03:52
Armando2It should, they usually spin an iso with an optimized efi loader for apple comps03:52
SonikkuAmericaYou might want to check cdimage.ubuntu.com for an amd64+mac image.03:53
SonikkuAmericaNope, don't see any... at least not for the daily builds.03:54
KvasirExcellent! I'm actually running ubuntu right now, but keen to change to something lighter. It's i386 ^^*03:54
Armando2The last time I had the ability to play linux on a Mac was a PowerG4 platinum tower with Yellow Dog03:54
Armando2ran a decent apache server on it03:54
SonikkuAmericaKvasir: Why do you need lighter?03:54
Armando2xubuntu is uber light03:54
SonikkuAmericaThere are Ubuntu (with Unity) i386 images, you know.03:56
Armando2I can't wait for it to get lighter once the switch happens from xorg to wayland03:56
KvasirSonikkuAmerica: Maybe lighter isn't the correct term, I just want a really basic setup. I'd use Arch but that hasn't worked for me so far.03:56
Armando2Kvasir, perhaps you can bootcamp your system and use the standard desktop version03:56
SonikkuAmericaAll switching to Wayland! End of an era... :\03:56
SonikkuAmericaKvasir: Have you tried the minimal ISO/03:57
Armando2A minimal base on a mac seems to me a little criminal03:57
KvasirI've tried the alt cd, not the minimal cd.03:58
SonikkuAmericaArmando2: I guess you're supposed to run Unity or KDE on those suckas... I see no Xubuntu or Lubuntu amd64+mac images.03:58
SonikkuAmericaArmando2: I hear they might take testers for amd64+mac images of Ubuntu GNOME...03:58
Armando2can bootcamp help strap a compatible environment for xubuntu?03:58
Armando2< needs a mac in that case hehe03:59
SonikkuAmericaArmando2: I don't have a Mac, so I can't make guarantees.03:59
Armando2Kvasir, you can probably accomplish the same effect installing a amd64+mac bootable iso, then bring in the xubuntu meta package03:59
KvasirI've never done it through Bootcamp, just through custom partitioning + refind.03:59
SonikkuAmericaYou mean rEFIt?04:00
Armando2bootcamp if I understand correctly, enables bios emulation04:00
SonikkuAmericaArmando2: It does.04:00
KvasirHere's the catch: I don't want bios emulation, I want EFI. Just to you  know, make my life harder.04:01
KvasirSonikkuAmerica: refind is a fork or rEFIt04:01
Armando2I do feel the same way Kvasir actually, it's too bad apple's EFI implementation is "different"04:01
SonikkuAmericaKvasir: Ah.04:01
SonikkuAmericaKvasir: Buy a UEFI machine.04:02
Armando2I would probably opt to do a ubuntu to xubuntu package upgrade04:02
SonikkuAmericaThat would just be [ sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop ]04:02
Armando2correct, it wouldn't have too much other than the xfce4 packages to download, and it's as simple as choosing a different environment at login04:03
* Kvasir glomps SonikkuAmerica 04:03
SonikkuAmericaKvasir: The heck is "glomping"?04:03
Kvasir*cough* http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=glomping04:04
KvasirAnyway that's that problem sorted ^^*04:04
SonikkuAmericaKvasir: What. Just what.04:04
Armando2follow this forum Kvasir, perhaps the standar amd64 iso will not be a problem for you: ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=213103304:05
Armando2if you want to avoid the ubuntu bloat, they also suggest doing the lubuntu+mac to xubuntu jump, and you can try out to super lightweight distributions in one!04:06
Armando2I like this term glomping, I'm gonna glomp my Wife anime style04:07
KvasirWhat have I done..04:07
SonikkuAmericaArmando2: Yeah. Mainly because 30% of LXDE = XFCE04:07
Armando2super anime surpise hugs for everyone ^ ^04:07
Armando2I love LXDE save for a few UI pieces that I found to miss, otherwise, both accomplish < 300MB RAM footprint post login and settling04:08
SonikkuAmericaIt runs like a gazelle on my laptop, VBox or frugal.04:09
Armando2more room for my 8GB setup for VMs, a couple hundred chromium tabs04:09
SonikkuAmericaA couple hundred e_e04:09
Armando2I too might add that XFCE and LXDE are very nice in a VM04:09
KvasirI didn't realize it was as simple as apt-get install xubuntu-desktop. Thank's for the help~04:10
Armando2enjoy Kvasir, glomps04:10
* Kvasir falls backwards04:11
Armando2I wish I could OSS the heck out of a mac pro laptop04:11
Armando2Open Source Software04:13
Armando2not to be mistaken with Open Sound System04:13
SonikkuAmericaHeck! Do it up!04:15
Armando2I'm happy with my Dell Studio 14, 8GB, i7 Q740 with a half devent Radeon HD 545004:17
Armando2Born with Win 7, stripped, reinstalled Windows 7, couldn't last more than 1 month, came back to Xubuntu04:18
SonikkuAmericaMe? Win 98 > XP > Ubuntu 10.04 > Ubuntu 12.04 > 72 million flavor changes > Ubuntu 12.10 > 72 million more flavor changes > Raring.04:20
Armando2ooh here's my history:04:20
aienaArmando2: lets listen to your history... :)04:21
SonikkuAmericaDid it start with 86-DOS?04:21
aienaI am runnung xubuntu 12.04 precise - is it possible to updat xfce to 4.10 with precise ?04:21
SonikkuAmericaaiena: Check off xubuntu-backports maybe?04:22
aienahow do you do that ?04:22
SonikkuAmericaIn Software Sources04:22
aienaif i install it over the current xfce 4.8 will it remove the old one04:22
SonikkuAmericaaiena: Sort of...04:23
Armando2Dos 5 something, 6.22, Windows 3.0, Win 3.11 for workgroups on Dos 6.22. Win 95, 98 Gold, W2000, Mandrake something version, Redhat 7, Redhat 8, Slackware, Linux From Scratch (yes successfully bootstrapped, and compiled a working user land), Arch, Gentoo04:23
aienahmm the software centre does not list xfce purely04:23
aienaI am confused04:23
Armando2install synaptic package manager04:23
aienaits there04:24
SonikkuAmericaaiena: Run [ software-properties-gtk ] in a terminal, or find "Software Sources" in XFCE System Settings,04:24
Armando2Even went FreeBSD for a bit until graphics bored me, what else04:24
aienaok runnung it instead04:24
SonikkuAmericaArmando2: Did you know that FreeBSD was ripped off?04:25
SonikkuAmericaArmando2: (Tried FreeBSD, stopped at the $)04:26
Armando2Ubuntu from 9 something to present, up until unity emerged, jumped to xubuntu. Dated two Mint women, Lubuntu, Xubuntu present04:26
Armando2how as freebsd ripped off?04:26
Armando2how was ^04:26
Armando2Side line use CentOS when I need to setup a matching dev environment for a web app project04:26
aienaSonikkuAmerica: should i choose the software packaged by cannonical option in software sources ?04:27
SonikkuAmericaaiena: Look under the first tab... there are 4 or 5 check boxes. Check the one labeled "Unsupported updates"04:27
Armando2aiena, try out repogen.simplylinux.ch . There might be a popular xfce latest ppa available04:27
xubuntu592how do I install with LVM and xubuntu 12.10, in the drop down for partitioning types there is no pv option... ?04:28
SonikkuAmericaArmando2: Some Buddhist software developer messed with it, slapped on some sort of window manager on it, and sold it on his own hardware for some $900-1.2k per socket. I think his name was Steve.04:28
Armando2oh yes, lot's a BSD stuff, hardly any NeXT remain04:28
SonikkuAmerica(Not trying to be religionist here, just stating facts)04:28
aienaSonikkuAmerica: Unsupported updates is enabled04:29
aienaSonikkuAmerica: should I check pre release04:29
SonikkuAmericaaiena: Now, [ sudo apt-get update ] or run Update Manager.04:29
SonikkuAmericaArmando2: I believe it's called OS X.04:29
Armando2yeah, I don't like OSX much from a visual or architectural standpoint04:29
SonikkuAmericaYeah, but the whole OS X project was a ripoff of FreeBSD.04:30
SonikkuAmericaI honestly think NeXT could've gone farther04:30
Armando2I could tell even by just using the ls command, same limiting options, no ls -FA avail04:30
Armando2you could say that was almost a show stopper for me04:31
SonikkuAmericaExcept the show actually stopped... and there was no appluase.04:31
Armando2process creation and forking is much more slower in OS X innards for example04:31
SonikkuAmericaArmando2: I mean, if you've ever jailbroken an iOS device... it's Debian.04:32
SonikkuAmericaArmando2: Ripped into 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 tiny little pieces.04:32
Armando2really? that wouldn't shock me, given how portable debian is, honestly ,I would have guessed gentoo, but debian has standardized cross compiling04:32
aienaso they alter linux and sell it for so much - cheats04:33
SonikkuAmericaArmando2: Check the Cydia Store... has option to add APT repos and everything.04:33
Armando2I did hear about installing a deb-based user land indeed04:33
SonikkuAmericaaiena: Well, not per se... iOS = OS X stripped down a bit04:33
Armando2And I would, if I had an iphone of some sort04:33
SonikkuAmericaArmando2: Don't expect it to work with actual Debian/Ubuntu packages though.04:34
Armando2no, I imagine it's a sort of ports system, that injects source patches to successfully compile on it04:34
SonikkuAmericaYou would be right.04:34
SonikkuAmericaThere's a team working on an open-source iOS device bootloader too. Get ready for the real Android-on-iOS experience.04:35
SonikkuAmericaNot an official one, mind you.04:35
Armando2I've heard rumors as well04:35
SonikkuAmericaI've seen it in action04:36
Armando2the ABI is a near cousin to the android world, just gotta get into every nook and cranny of undocumented registers and memory regions with all the gadets hooked in04:36
SonikkuAmericaI'd talk more, but I must tune my heart and soul to the pillow on my bed. :) lol Or saw logs.04:37
SonikkuAmericaEither one works for me. 'Night!04:37
Armando2likewise, my Wife commands me soon too, and to jog tomorrow morn, see you round sonikku04:37
SonikkuAmericaSuch a commanding wife. O_o lol Later!04:37
Armando2She Owns04:38
Armando2and I love it...04:38
SonikkuAmericaAhh... love and marriage... I'm not married yet.04:38
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linux_unix-10Why is it that when I install a new program, it doesn't appear at the Applications Menu?05:28
koegslinux_unix-10: what did you install and where did you search for it?05:32
linux_unix-10I installed VLC and I searched for it in all the categories in the Application Menu.05:33
koegslinux_unix-10: it is not in Multimedia and is called "VLC Media Player"? how did you install it?05:36
linux_unix-10uisng ubuntu software center and videolan.org05:36
linux_unix-10sorry, i meant "using"05:36
koegswhy videolan.org?05:37
koegsah, ok, the button just opens the software center05:38
linux_unix-10software center did not work initially, so i went to the website and clicked on the download button for ubuntu05:38
koegsand if you press ALT+F2 and then enter vlc, does it start?05:39
linux_unix-10after that, firefox asked me to open the software center, allowed it05:39
linux_unix-10then the program was install thru the software center via videolan.org05:39
linux_unix-10i just thought of this:  restarting xfce. But i don't know if it will work nor how to do it.05:41
koegsnormally it is not required05:44
koegscan you start vlc with ALT+F2?05:44
linux_unix-10yes, and it also appears in application finder, but not directly in the applications menu.05:45
linux_unix-10how to restart xfce?05:49
aienakoegs: is gimps clipboard different from the defualt xubuntu one ?06:23
aienaa print screen image (when copy to clipboard option is chosen) seems to copy the image into mypaintbut not into gimp06:24
aiena*mypaint but06:24
linux_unix-10how to restart xfce?06:51
Unit193Which part?06:54
linux_unix-10all of it06:58
Unit193Log out and back in.06:58
heoyeapull plug07:00
xubuntu763If I install today the ISO from 20130423.1 (yesterday) and the updates , would like to have the final version right?08:56
xubuntu763okay "08:57
xubuntu763=) thanks elfy08:58
aienaxfce 4.10 rocks !! :)09:01
MaccerHow do you map a shell script in the Application Shortcuts from Keyboard in XFCE? sh ~/script.sh "args" doesn't work.09:05
aienaI tried that it didnt work09:06
aienasame question here !09:07
aienaMaccer: maybe you can try using && to rn the multiple commands directly rather than use a script09:07
aienanot tested it though09:08
TheSheepmy guess is that ~ doesn't work, try a full path09:09
TheSheepalso, make sure that the file is set to executable09:09
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koegsMaccer, aiena, TheSheep: tested it, ~ does not work but /home/youruser/script.sh does work09:21
Maccerkoegs: Yeah, I can confirm now. It seems like I needed a sleep delay. This script just simply checks for a running process and then proceeds to simulate key presses. XFCE could be grabbing the keyboard.09:22
aienakoegs: is there a way to disable docking in xfce 4.10 ?09:22
aienai LOVE XFCE 4.10 but I dont like the docking bit09:23
aiena*I love09:23
koegsaiena: tiling or docking?09:23
aienatiling i think09:23
MaccerYou mean the little dock by default in xubuntu?09:23
MaccerOh. I'm sure you could disable the tiling in the window manager preferences somewhere09:24
aiena4.10 does not come by default with 12.04 lts i just installed it09:24
aienawhen you place the window on the top it becomes half and snaps09:24
TheSheepaiena: what do you mean by docking?09:24
koegsyeah, window manager preferences, "Automatically tile widnows when moving towards screen edge"09:24
TheSheepaiena: ah, yes, you can disable it in window manager tweaks09:24
aienaTheSheep: I am new to linux xubuntu is my first distro in windows it is normally docking09:25
aienakoegs: THanks a lot09:25
TheSheepin windowa manager tweaks, in the 'accessibility' tab09:26
TheSheepaiena: I just don't know the terminology either in windows or linux09:26
aienaI dont know the terminology in WIndows09:26
aienabah linux09:26
TheSheepanyways, that's it :)09:26
aienaWIndows is like making juice for me09:27
aienaanyways love linux now that I have it :)09:27
TheSheepI'm horribly rusty with windows, the last one I had was 9809:27
aienaonly thing is that I cant get my graphic tablet to work inspite of installing wizardpen09:27
TheSheepaiena: is it a wacom?09:27
aienaTheSheep: ouch !! I loved 98 though it was the most stable windows09:27
aienaTheSheep: no that is the issue09:28
aienawacom has drivers09:28
aienafor linux so no worries09:28
aienamaybe I'll just buy a wacom09:28
aienaTheSheep: do you know how to remove wizarpen09:28
aienaI had to compie the source09:28
aienaand add the ppa09:28
aienait does not show up in synaptics09:29
aienai mean add the ppa then compile the source :P09:29
TheSheepaiena: do you have a link to the howto that you followed?09:31
aienaone sec09:31
aienaTheSheep: http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/digimend/index.php?title=Tablet_setup_with_WizardPen09:33
aienathats the source09:33
TheSheepaiena: 'make install' just copies the files all over your system, without actually tracking them in any way, or making a package -- so to uninstall it you just have to delete all those file manually09:34
TheSheepaiena: there is a list of files under Installed files09:35
aienaok so just delete them and it is clean09:35
aienais it safe to do that09:35
TheSheepyeah, unless they forgot to list something09:35
aienaor do i have to remove some other config files09:35
TheSheepas for the ppa, there is http://askubuntu.com/questions/307/how-can-ppas-be-removed09:37
koegsnext time, you can use checkinstall instead of "make install" https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CheckInstall09:37
TheSheepyeah, checkinstall will create a package while installing, so that it can be uninstalled with the package manager09:37
aienathank you so much for the tip09:38
aienaas a noob i made that mistake :P09:38
aienaanyways I'll get better as I learn more shell commands :)09:39
aienaI know dos well09:39
TheSheepmost howtos don't care about uninstalling, so they are written like that :(09:39
aienaso some of that knowledge transaltes here09:39
aienaTheSheep: yep thats crap09:39
aienaTheSheep: in linux there is no actual installing like in windows09:39
aienadoes linux have a registry ?09:40
TheSheepaiena: actually the MSI are modelled after the linux packages, more or less09:41
aienaI think so09:41
aienathey are also scripts09:41
TheSheepaiena: linux has several different systems that are similar to registry in some ways09:41
aienain OS's lots is borrowed lots is new09:41
TheSheepfor example, the xfce4 configuration is kept in something like a registry09:42
TheSheepyou can run xfce4-settings-editor to browse that09:42
aienathere is no dynamic linking in linux right09:43
aienaforget about it09:45
aienaI guess not09:46
koegsaiena: i certainly guess "yes", but i am not sure what you mean :D09:46
amarhello i want to take some help with you09:46
amari want to uninstall ubuntu my dell laptop09:47
amarcan you help me how we can uninstall it??09:47
aienais it a duakl boot09:47
aienawindows + linux09:48
aienaor pure ubuntu09:48
amarit is windows + linux09:48
amarsee dell 242009:49
amari bought new laptop today and linux is alredy install in it..09:49
aienaok you can use parted magic09:49
aienait is actually gparted but only in a bootable form09:49
aienaand you can repartition the disk09:50
aienaand remove the partition and ubuntu09:50
elfyamar: do you intend for it to only have windows on it?09:51
aienaso you wish to remove the partition too09:51
aienathe ext4 one09:51
aienaand reclaim the space09:51
amaryes i want to remove all the partition and create new one..09:52
amarwith the fresh window os..09:52
elfyif you let ubuntu install normally then you will need a windows disk of some sort to do the boot - or you'll end up with no boot09:52
elfybut tbh you should be able to remove the partition from within windows - it'll be the one it doesn't recognise probably09:52
aienaamar: I think as a windows user myself it would be better to use diskpart09:53
aienaare you familiar with the dos cmmand line ?09:53
amarplz give me the commnad name..09:54
aienaamar can you boot into windows09:54
aienafirst and come back on irc09:54
aienathen I can instruct you further09:54
aienaon #ubuntu09:54
aienainternet relay chat09:54
aienawhat you are using now :)09:54
amarcurrently i m using webchat..09:55
aienawebchat is an irc client too09:55
aienaonly web based :)09:55
elfyamar: webchat is connecting to an irc channel09:55
amari m in linux dashboard09:55
aienaamar one sec09:55
aienabefore you go any further09:56
aienado you have a full backup of your important data09:56
elfynot sure why you've come to the xubuntu support channel though ;)09:56
aienabecause we have to prepare for any emergencies09:56
aienaOK good09:56
amari have no data in my laptop..09:56
aiena2) is ubuntu unstalled on your windows partition09:56
amarbefore 2 hour i have purchaged.09:56
aienaor D drive ?09:56
amarso i dnt have any data in my laptop09:57
aienaok doesnt make sense09:57
aienaok boot into windows and come back on webchat09:57
aienathen will give you support09:57
aienaelfy removing xubuntu is also support right ???09:58
amari have boot the windows in my system..09:58
aienawhich version are you using xp/ wIN 709:59
aienaWIndows 7 ?09:59
amarwin 709:59
koegsguys, this is the Xubuntu Support Channel, could you please take it to a query or a windows channel? thx!09:59
aienaamar I have to go for lunch !! WIll be back in a 30 minutes !!10:00
amarhey i want to uninstall linux wd my system and install win 7...10:00
aienawill you wait10:00
amarwht is this??10:00
koegsamar: just install windows 7 and during the setup delete all the old partitions, then you are done10:00
aienakoegs he has a dula boot10:01
aienasio he will need diskpart10:01
koegsdoes not matter10:01
amarshut up yar..10:01
amarfuck up guys..u cant help10:01
koegsif he wants to do a fresh and new installation of win7, he can delete the linux partitions during the setup10:01
koegsamar: please watch your language10:01
aienakoegs he does not want a fresh installation10:01
koegsaiena: [12:00:16] < amar> hey i want to uninstall linux wd my system and install win 7...10:02
elfyaiena: regardless of that it's not xubuntu10:02
aienahe wants to remove linux + the ext4 partition and keep windows10:02
aienaI am guessing he is using windows and wants to keep the rest10:02
koegsthen it is all up to windows, not related to ubuntu nor xubuntu, please use a query10:03
aienakoegs: maybe this should be taken to private chat !!10:04
aienaI dont know why priv chat isnt working10:05
elfyhas left10:05
aienano wonder10:05
aienaanyways didnt like his langiage10:05
aienaif that guy doesnt have patience10:05
aienaand cant be polite it sucks the life out of wanting to help someone (:10:05
koegscould have been so easy :D http://askubuntu.com/questions/151253/removing-grub-from-windows-system-after-uninstalling-from-withing-windows10:06
aienahe has t use delete partition option in diskpart10:06
koegsbut thats all for offtopic :)10:06
aienakoegs: yes that is easy but that wont remove the ext4 partition10:07
aienathe ext4 partiton is invisible to windows10:07
aienathis would mean he cant reclaim the linux partition space10:08
elfyplease take this to offtopic10:08
aienaso he'd have to use diskpart at the dos shell10:08
aienaelfy: topic over10:08
meerkathello. I'm looking for some torrents to seed for 13.04. Which xubuntu versions eat the most traffic?12:38
Arpad2i would like to ask how to make partitions on a 750gb hdd or should I install the whole as one partition?12:39
elfyArpad2: depends what you mean - I'd not install to a 750Gb drive and have it as / personally12:40
cfhowlettArpad2, ubuntu root system probably uses about 10 gigs max.  set a /swap of perhaps your RAM x 2, and then set a /home of whatever you wish for your data and user files12:40
elfymeerkat: I'm not sure12:40
Arpad2ram is 8gb, so 16 gb will be suffice?12:42
elfyagain it depends what you want to do - but personally with 4Gb of ram here I've used kb's of my swap12:43
Arpad2I guess the rest should be used for the documents12:43
cfhowlettArpad2, the 2 X RAM formula is a "rule of thumb" bit of questionable wisdom.  With 8gigs of RAM you should have no problems with suspend/resume ...12:44
Arpad2cfhowlett: ok , I will set it for 16 gb for xubuntu 12.0412:46
Arpad2i guess it won't be a problem ti upgrade12:46
meerkat10 gb for / seems a bit small. Additional packages would increase the size needed, right?12:46
elfymy root is 15 - used 6.812:47
cfhowlettmeerkat, I run ubuntustudio with restricted extras and medibuntu.  my / is 6.812:47
cfhowlettmeerkat, 6.6 out of 16 gigs available12:48
Arpad2ok, thank you all for help :)12:48
cfhowlettArpad2, best of luck12:49
elfycfhowlett: almost a snap there :)12:49
elfyArpad2: have fun12:49
meerkatcfhowlett, you are right. I am using only 8.9 myself. I guess I went overboard with 45GiB for the root partition. :/12:50
cfhowlettmeerkat, I did fill the root once ,but that was cuz I didn't clean out the cache.  apt-get clean && apt-get autoremove fixed that right up12:51
elfymeerkat: well you never know - if you installed a whole bunch of games or something you might fill it up12:51
cfhowlettelfy, actually that's possible.  My windows steam shows about 60 gigs worth of portal at the moment, so ...12:52
meerkattoo much space is better than not enough, for sure. Good thing Steam games are put in /home/12:52
elfyI don't use a seperate home :)12:53
Arpad2so for Steam games I will need a bigger partition?12:54
elfyI possibly would if I wasn't having a seperate /home - as I said ealrier it all depends12:55
elfyIf I had all my data in home I'd be needing 600Gb12:56
meerkatArpad2, if you have 3 partitions. swap, /, and /home/ Then putting 4-8 GB for swap and 15 for / you will have plenty of space in /home/ for steam games.12:56
cfhowlettmeerkat, sadly, I never got steam to actually run on 12.0412:57
Arpad2yes, but first I would upgrade to 12.1012:58
meerkatmy steam install is only 30 GB. That includes all source games released for linux, all goldsource, plus a bunch of indie games.12:58
Arpad2i guess its not an issue12:58
Arpad2but my live cd is xubuntu 12.0413:00
GridCubeArpad2, you can upgrade, its not the fastest way to install 12.10 but its a start, and tomorrow tehre would be 13.04 :313:10
GridCubeyou could download 13.04 and go with that directly13:10
Arpad2I only have a phone, live 12.04 cd, laptop with no os, and usb flash drive13:12
GridCubeoh then use the livecd to download the iso and use unetbootin to make a booteable flash drive :313:16
Arpad2ok, I will try it13:19
dBLOODHi people13:19
cfhowlettdBLOOD, greetings13:20
dBLOODanyone knows a console command to reconnect eth0?13:20
dBLOODsuppose the @&# connection gets terminated for whatever @&# reason...13:20
dBLOODwhere #&@ does not equal #&@13:21
TheSheepdBLOOD: what kind of connection?13:21
dBLOODanyway, is there some short "net reconnect eth0" or whatever console command?13:21
dBLOODit's pppoe13:21
dBLOODon eth013:21
TheSheepI would wager that the command starts with ppp then...13:22
dBLOODI'm searching for something similar like pulling out, than reconnect the cable13:22
TheSheepbut I have no idea about pppoe13:22
TheSheepyou might want to try to search the wiki or forums13:22
dBLOODI thought it should have something to do with eth013:22
dBLOODI'm trying, but only that @&# wireless is everywhere13:23
dBLOODthere is something like "sudo dhclient* eth0"13:24
ubottuSetting up an ADSL/PPPoE connection? Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ADSLPPPoE13:24
dBLOODyeah, but I already have one set up13:24
TheSheepthere is a part titled "Manual connection control"13:24
dBLOODin the network manager, I even can see and change it's setztings, like login pwd and stuff13:25
dBLOODthx TheSheep this is it13:25
dBLOODHi people!13:28
dBLOODJust as I thought, it's NOT a pppd process13:28
GridCubedBLOOD, pppoeconf13:29
dBLOODwait, checking13:29
GridCubedBLOOD, also man nmcli13:29
GridCubenmcli lets you disconnect and reconnect networkd adapters13:30
GridCubealso choose wifi networks and whatnot13:30
dBLOODpppoeconf was starting to set up a new connection13:31
dBLOODnever mind13:32
meerkatdoes xubuntu only have 2 versions? 32 bit and 64 desktops?14:32
baizonmeerkat: yes14:35
* genii-around ponders the lack of ARM14:35
WeNDoRmeerkat: what other options are there ?14:40
meerkatWeNDoR, i am not sure. That is why I asked.14:41
meerkatubuntu and kubuntu seem to have 2 mac releases14:41
WeNDoRyou can install xubuntu om mac too14:42
meerkatWeNDoR, is there an iso for that?14:42
WeNDoRthe normal iso, i guess14:42
WeNDoRjust boot it up and install14:42
meerkatwell, all right then. WeNDoR I am compiling a list of what to seed once 13.04 goes live.14:42
WeNDoRjust choose xubuntu as your distribution14:43
WeNDoRshould not be too hard ...14:43
xubuntu880hi all14:50
xubuntu880some one can help me?14:50
WeNDoRdepends on what your problem is14:50
xubuntu880i cant install flash plugin14:50
WeNDoRinstall icedtea14:51
WeNDoRor something like that14:51
xubuntu880im a noob of ubuntu14:51
WeNDoRjust run14:51
WeNDoRsudo apt-get install icedtea-plugin14:51
xubuntu880ok im installing14:53
xubuntu880a lot14:53
xubuntu880another think...14:53
WeNDoRthank me if it works14:53
WeNDoRoh wait14:53
WeNDoRdon't install that lol14:53
WeNDoRthat's for java, not flash14:53
WeNDoRmy bad14:53
WeNDoRsudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer gsfonts-x1114:54
WeNDoRthat should be for flash14:54
WeNDoRi hope14:54
xubuntu880ok im retryng14:55
xubuntu8804 my other think..im using xubuntu from cd and i cant put it permanentely14:56
xubuntu880on pc14:56
xubuntu880it gives me an error14:56
WeNDoRwhat error ?14:56
xubuntu880it invite me to retry to install it14:56
xubuntu880but nothink14:56
WeNDoRi can't help you with the provided information14:57
WeNDoRprovide an install log or something14:57
xubuntu880im a noob :)14:57
xubuntu880but i will try14:57
xubuntu880i want learn more14:57
WeNDoRgood luck and have fun14:58
xubuntu880but can i ask to u somethink if iv a doubt??15:00
elfythere are plenty of people in here xubuntu880 - just need to ask and whoever see's and can answer will :)15:02
xubuntu880so gently15:03
jimaloexcuse me here i am again15:08
jimalothe installation was successful15:08
jimalobut i cant see flash videos15:09
ubottuTo install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - See also  !Restricted and !Gnash15:11
lalondonghow to setup keyboard shortcut in xubuntu?16:30
lalondongi'm running Ubuntu 12.04 LTS, but using XFCE desktop environment cause Unity makes my computer slow16:30
GridCubelalondong, what kind of shortcuts?16:33
GridCubemediakeys usually depend on the media player, they have usually a setting you can enable to recognize them16:34
lalondonglike in Ubuntu to access terminal faster, i just need to use Ctrl + Alt + T shortcut..16:34
GridCubelalondong, press the windows key ant t16:34
lalondongahh, thanks it's working.;16:34
lalondongsorry, i'm new to this stuff..haha16:35
GridCubethats defined at >settings >keyboard >shortcuts16:35
GridCubeyou have a preset, of meta-t, meta-e and meta-f16:35
GridCubealt-f5 and alt-f6 are also set up16:36
GridCubeand alt-f9 and alt-1016:36
GridCubealt-left-click-drag'n'drop will drag any window, regardless or where you click, and alt-left-clic-drag'n'drop will resize any window regardles of where you click16:38
koegssecond one is right-click, GridCube ;-)16:39
GridCubeP: correct16:39
Arpad2win8 van a laptopon, hogyan szabaduljak meg tole köszönöm!?16:40
GridCubealt-scroll-wheel at the window name bar will make it transparen16:40
GridCubethats some nordic language... correct?16:40
Arpad2distant relative to Finish :)16:42
Arpad2sorry it wasn't meant here16:42
Arpad2but I have a problem16:42
Arpad2win8 is installed on the laptop, and I don't know how to get rid of it and how to install the xubuntu16:43
ubottuUEFI is a specification that defines a software interface between an operating system and platform firmware, it is meant as a replacement for the BIOS. For information on how to set up and install Ubuntu and its derivatives on UEFI machines please read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI16:43
GridCubeArpad2, ^^16:43
Arpad2ok, I'll read it, thx16:45
foobar55hi all - someone know about ?.gvfs problems with 12.0416:51
foobar55i try to connet two laptops but fail with gigolo16:51
koegsfoobar55: how do you try to connect with the other laptop? which protocol?17:02
kRushis there going to be a beta 3? with the installer snafu I didn't get to test anything17:56
baizonkRush: release is tomorrow17:57
baizonkRush: i mean the final release17:57
PiciI think thats a 'no', then.17:57
kRushyeah, that much I figured17:57
fallorehi everyone. i'm trying to put the xubuntu install iso on a bootable USB drive and i'm not sure which filesystem to select. can anyone help me out?19:19
well_laid_lawnfallore:  I think ext4 should be fine19:21
ubottuUbuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall - Don't want to use a CD? See http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate19:21
well_laid_lawnmight be a clue in those links19:21
Myrttiat what point does it even ask that? I don't think it does19:21
well_laid_lawnit should ask at formatting the partition19:22
meerkatfallore, file system on the USB drive?19:29
schreberIs there a change log for what we're likely to see in xubuntu 13.04 ?20:18
elfyschreber: will be much as it was at beta - http://xubuntu.org/news/raring-beta1/20:19
schreberdid they fix the gvfs (?) issue with thunar and the disappearing/re-appearing issue with network and/or trash?20:21
elfyno idea tbh - I've been missing for most of the cycle20:21
elfybut I've not noticed anything untoward with trash in thunar20:22
schreberwell I've noticed the issue randomly honestly but it's a tad annoying since the issue wasn't present in xfce 4.8/debian variant20:23
elfyI would have noticed trash - I might have been missing but I've been using 13.04 constantly for 3 months or so20:24
schreberprobably fixed if you've not noticed it in that time frame20:24
elfyk - best place to look would be bugs if you knew that there was one reported20:25
schreberwas never too confident in running an alpha/beta on a main desktop20:25
elfyI always have the previous available :)20:25
schreberit was noted on the launchpad site, but not sure how active that is compared to other bug sites/trackers.20:25
schreberthank you any way.20:25
schreberhave you noticed any improvements over 12.10 > 13.04 ? snappier, less resources (not like it's was bloated), general overall opinion of the new version20:28
elfystable and smooth here20:28
elfyI can't comment on snappier as I upgraded hardware recently20:29
schrebersdd or standard hdd ?20:29
schreberwell that's good to hear.20:29
elfyI use nouveau ofr graphics - not had any issues with that20:30
schreberwell i have a system using the generic intel video driver and another with an ati/amd card (which I suppose will be installable with the current ati/amd driver available on their website).20:31
schreberahh, did you notice any issue with tumblerd (I think it's a bluetooth application/notifier)?20:31
moetunestumblerd makes thumbnails20:32
schreberwell drats, that makes no sense to me then20:32
elfyI'm much too old fashioned to have anything to do with bluetooth :)20:32
schreberas am I, but I noticed it installs something regardless of hardware (I've noticed the bluetooth icon on the taskbar)20:34
elfyI stop all that :)20:34
schrebermoetunes: thanks for the information by the way20:35
schreberelfy, did you experience any issues once a release was finalized (doing something like apt-get upgrade to a alpha/beta release)?20:41
elfyno - but then it's been upgraded more or less constantly since I last installed it20:42
Pinkyhi all looking for help updating virtualbox ...  . . .. ?  anyone22:17
bazhangupdating how?22:17
Pinkyi Keep getting errors ...22:18
Pinkyim running u 12.10 have vbox 4.1.18 installed i would like to upgrade to 4.2.1222:19
Pinkyi download the new ver..   tried to install   with package installer says     . .    Error breaks existing package virtualbox that conflict..22:20
bazhangdl'd the new version from where?22:21
Pinkyoffical web site virtualbox.org22:21
bazhang!find virtualbox22:22
ubottuFound: virtualbox-guest-additions, virtualbox-guest-additions-iso, virtualbox, virtualbox-dbg, virtualbox-dkms, virtualbox-fuse, virtualbox-guest-dkms, virtualbox-guest-source, virtualbox-guest-utils, virtualbox-guest-x11 (and 12 others) http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=virtualbox&searchon=names&suite=quantal&section=all22:22
Pinkyunder linux page i tried everyting on that page except uninstalling my current ver..22:22
bazhangso your first version was from within ubuntu22:23
Pinkysorry im new to linux .. so plz be patient22:23
bazhang!info virtualbox-ose22:23
ubottuvirtualbox-ose (source: virtualbox): transitional package for virtualbox. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.1.18-dfsg-1ubuntu1.1 (quantal), package size 21 kB, installed size 118 kB22:23
Pinky1st yes then 2nd i installed can't remember how22:23
Pinkythis will be the 3rd  version22:23
bazhangyou just said from the virtualbox site22:24
Pinkyjust a sec will give u url22:24
Pinkyhttps://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads   got it from there22:24
Pinkyusing the 12.10 link amd6422:25
Pinkyi tried yum install virtualbox-4.2 says can't find it22:25
bazhangare you on fedora?22:26
Pinkythat is a good question how do i know22:26
Pinkyremember i'm new to linux/ fedora/ ubuntu22:28
lderanif you type this into a terminal window and press enter it should tell you "cat /proc/version"22:28
bazhangcan you get to a terminal?22:28
Pinkysays /proc/version command not found had to use sudo22:29
lderanor "cat /etc/issue" if that doesn't work22:29
Pinkybuntu 12.10 / n /l22:30
Pinkyubuntu 12.10 /n /122:30
bazhangwhy do you need the latest version of vbox?22:31
lderanah try apt-get instead of yum :)22:31
Pinkydont really need it was just trying to update ...  tried that also  will give u the out put in a sec22:31
bazhangthats not the way to install software in ubuntu22:32
bazhangalways best to stick with the package manager22:32
Pinkysays unable to locate package22:32
bazhangyou dl'd a deb, so apt-get wont be able to install that22:32
bazhangthe problem of chasing the latest versions , is that you will always have to do it manually once you start22:33
Pinkyit talks about adding  repository ....22:34
Pinkyso once you manual add something you will most likey have to always maualy update it ...22:35
bazhangonce you go outside of the customary official repos, you lose support22:36
IdleOneiirc the .deb from vbox will add the proper repo from virtualbox and will update the packages from that repo when they are available.22:37
bazhangis there a seriously good reason to get the very newest version22:37
IdleOneprobably not22:37
Pinkyjust playing around22:37
bazhangwhy not play around in a vbox22:37
bazhangto play around on your own system is not a good choice. like adding many 3rd party repos, or PPA22:38
Pinkyfound that out have to reload whole thing 3 x this year ..22:39
PinkyPPA ?22:40
ubottuA Personal Package Archive (PPA) can provide alternate software not normally available in the offical Ubuntu repositories - Looking for a PPA? See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas - WARNING: PPAs are unsupported third-party packages, and you use them at your own risk. See also !addppa and !ppa-purge22:41
brianfalconhola espero aprender mucho de linux aqui23:04
Pinkythanks for all your help23:06
bazhang!es | brianfalcon23:06
ubottubrianfalcon: En la mayoría de los canales de Ubuntu, se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español entre al canal #xubuntu-es; escriba "/join #xubuntu-es" (sin comillas) y presione intro. Si nadie responde, puedes intentar preguntando en #ubuntu-es.23:06
brianfalconok muchas gracias23:07
oelsenwell I have a stupid question. how do i install a new package but keep the old system?23:29
oelsensomehow i have the feeling I only can upgrade the whole system at once23:29
moetunesoelsen:  try  sudo  apt-get unstall <some package>   in a terminal23:34
moetunesoelsen:  try   sudo apt-get install <some package>   in a terminal23:35
oelsenit installs the same. i just did that before i asked23:35
moetunestry adding an update in there23:36
moetunessudo apt-get update23:36
oelsenthat should update the äh, ports? (I used freebsd before)23:36
moetunesyep it finds out if there are new packages in the repositories23:37
ubottuThe packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories.23:38
oelsenthank you for the support. I'll try that tomorrow23:46

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