[00:29] <_098v_> Does anyone know how to install different themes for Xubuntu 12.10? [02:06] hi guys, I've run into a bit of a problem [02:07] on the weekend I updated my kernel and now I cannot boot into xubuntu, it just freezes at the blue loading screen with the bar that moves side to side [02:07] trying to boot from older kernels gets stuck loading ramdisk [03:38] Woot testing great so far, no errors encountered [03:39] Armando2: For Raring? [03:39] Correct [03:39] Daily spin [03:39] It's in release candidate phase, so pretty much from this pt. forward WYSIWYG [03:40] not bad, I did see a lot of visuals improve over the weeks [03:45] Such as...? You'll need to bring me up to speed, I use Unity and haven't put VBox back in my system yet... [03:45] I've worked with Xubuntu before of course [03:45] But only LTS releases [03:46] Xubuntu's login prompt is what comes to mind, it picks up the theme correctly [03:46] What do you mean, "picks it correctly"? I don't get what that means. [03:47] earlier dailies would have a login panel with white text over a light grey background. Only by clicking on a pull down menu would text be visible on a highlight [03:47] Then it was fixed before I could report it [03:47] Oh. (Dailies all right.) [03:48] Usually lightdm-gtk-greeter is fun to try and comprehend in dailies. [03:49] Yeah, it's been fun though downloading and Vboxing [03:50] VBox is fun to run other OS's in, especially when you have Windows-specific programs that hate on Wine. [03:50] Like Sibelius. [03:51] Hey can I ask a quick question re-xubuntu? [03:51] Will it run on a macbook 1,1? :s [03:52] Mine is just for office, xbox360 and a game like urbanterror get my fps fix [03:52] It should, they usually spin an iso with an optimized efi loader for apple comps [03:53] You might want to check cdimage.ubuntu.com for an amd64+mac image. [03:54] Nope, don't see any... at least not for the daily builds. [03:54] Excellent! I'm actually running ubuntu right now, but keen to change to something lighter. It's i386 ^^* [03:54] The last time I had the ability to play linux on a Mac was a PowerG4 platinum tower with Yellow Dog [03:54] ran a decent apache server on it [03:54] Kvasir: Why do you need lighter? [03:54] xubuntu is uber light [03:56] There are Ubuntu (with Unity) i386 images, you know. [03:56] I can't wait for it to get lighter once the switch happens from xorg to wayland [03:56] SonikkuAmerica: Maybe lighter isn't the correct term, I just want a really basic setup. I'd use Arch but that hasn't worked for me so far. [03:56] Kvasir, perhaps you can bootcamp your system and use the standard desktop version [03:56] All switching to Wayland! End of an era... :\ [03:57] Kvasir: Have you tried the minimal ISO/ [03:57] ? [03:57] A minimal base on a mac seems to me a little criminal [03:58] I've tried the alt cd, not the minimal cd. [03:58] Armando2: I guess you're supposed to run Unity or KDE on those suckas... I see no Xubuntu or Lubuntu amd64+mac images. [03:58] Armando2: I hear they might take testers for amd64+mac images of Ubuntu GNOME... [03:58] can bootcamp help strap a compatible environment for xubuntu? [03:59] < needs a mac in that case hehe [03:59] Armando2: I don't have a Mac, so I can't make guarantees. [03:59] Kvasir, you can probably accomplish the same effect installing a amd64+mac bootable iso, then bring in the xubuntu meta package [03:59] I've never done it through Bootcamp, just through custom partitioning + refind. [04:00] You mean rEFIt? [04:00] bootcamp if I understand correctly, enables bios emulation [04:00] Armando2: It does. [04:01] Here's the catch: I don't want bios emulation, I want EFI. Just to you know, make my life harder. [04:01] SonikkuAmerica: refind is a fork or rEFIt [04:01] I do feel the same way Kvasir actually, it's too bad apple's EFI implementation is "different" [04:01] Kvasir: Ah. [04:02] Kvasir: Buy a UEFI machine. [04:02] I would probably opt to do a ubuntu to xubuntu package upgrade [04:02] That would just be [ sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop ] [04:03] correct, it wouldn't have too much other than the xfce4 packages to download, and it's as simple as choosing a different environment at login [04:03] * Kvasir glomps SonikkuAmerica [04:03] Kvasir: The heck is "glomping"? [04:04] *cough* http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=glomping [04:04] Anyway that's that problem sorted ^^* [04:04] Kvasir: What. Just what. [04:04] lol [04:05] follow this forum Kvasir, perhaps the standar amd64 iso will not be a problem for you: ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2131033 [04:06] if you want to avoid the ubuntu bloat, they also suggest doing the lubuntu+mac to xubuntu jump, and you can try out to super lightweight distributions in one! [04:07] I like this term glomping, I'm gonna glomp my Wife anime style [04:07] What have I done.. [04:07] Armando2: Yeah. Mainly because 30% of LXDE = XFCE [04:07] super anime surpise hugs for everyone ^ ^ [04:08] I love LXDE save for a few UI pieces that I found to miss, otherwise, both accomplish < 300MB RAM footprint post login and settling [04:09] It runs like a gazelle on my laptop, VBox or frugal. [04:09] more room for my 8GB setup for VMs, a couple hundred chromium tabs [04:09] A couple hundred e_e [04:09] I too might add that XFCE and LXDE are very nice in a VM [04:10] I didn't realize it was as simple as apt-get install xubuntu-desktop. Thank's for the help~ [04:10] enjoy Kvasir, glomps [04:11] * Kvasir falls backwards [04:11] I wish I could OSS the heck out of a mac pro laptop [04:12] OSS? [04:13] Open Source Software [04:13] not to be mistaken with Open Sound System [04:15] Heck! Do it up! [04:17] I'm happy with my Dell Studio 14, 8GB, i7 Q740 with a half devent Radeon HD 5450 [04:18] ^decent [04:18] Born with Win 7, stripped, reinstalled Windows 7, couldn't last more than 1 month, came back to Xubuntu [04:20] Me? Win 98 > XP > Ubuntu 10.04 > Ubuntu 12.04 > 72 million flavor changes > Ubuntu 12.10 > 72 million more flavor changes > Raring. [04:20] ooh here's my history: [04:20] lol [04:21] Armando2: lets listen to your history... :) [04:21] Did it start with 86-DOS? [04:21] I am runnung xubuntu 12.04 precise - is it possible to updat xfce to 4.10 with precise ? [04:22] aiena: Check off xubuntu-backports maybe? [04:22] how do you do that ? [04:22] In Software Sources [04:22] if i install it over the current xfce 4.8 will it remove the old one [04:23] aiena: Sort of... [04:23] Dos 5 something, 6.22, Windows 3.0, Win 3.11 for workgroups on Dos 6.22. Win 95, 98 Gold, W2000, Mandrake something version, Redhat 7, Redhat 8, Slackware, Linux From Scratch (yes successfully bootstrapped, and compiled a working user land), Arch, Gentoo [04:23] hmm the software centre does not list xfce purely [04:23] I am confused [04:23] install synaptic package manager [04:24] its there [04:24] aiena: Run [ software-properties-gtk ] in a terminal, or find "Software Sources" in XFCE System Settings, [04:24] Even went FreeBSD for a bit until graphics bored me, what else [04:24] ok runnung it instead [04:25] Armando2: Did you know that FreeBSD was ripped off? [04:26] Armando2: (Tried FreeBSD, stopped at the $) [04:26] Ubuntu from 9 something to present, up until unity emerged, jumped to xubuntu. Dated two Mint women, Lubuntu, Xubuntu present [04:26] how as freebsd ripped off? [04:26] how was ^ [04:26] Side line use CentOS when I need to setup a matching dev environment for a web app project [04:27] SonikkuAmerica: should i choose the software packaged by cannonical option in software sources ? [04:27] aiena: Look under the first tab... there are 4 or 5 check boxes. Check the one labeled "Unsupported updates" [04:27] aiena, try out repogen.simplylinux.ch . There might be a popular xfce latest ppa available [04:28] how do I install with LVM and xubuntu 12.10, in the drop down for partitioning types there is no pv option... ? [04:28] Armando2: Some Buddhist software developer messed with it, slapped on some sort of window manager on it, and sold it on his own hardware for some $900-1.2k per socket. I think his name was Steve. [04:28] oh yes, lot's a BSD stuff, hardly any NeXT remain [04:28] (Not trying to be religionist here, just stating facts) [04:29] SonikkuAmerica: Unsupported updates is enabled [04:29] SonikkuAmerica: should I check pre release [04:29] aiena: Now, [ sudo apt-get update ] or run Update Manager. [04:29] Armando2: I believe it's called OS X. [04:29] :) [04:29] yeah, I don't like OSX much from a visual or architectural standpoint [04:30] Yeah, but the whole OS X project was a ripoff of FreeBSD. [04:30] I honestly think NeXT could've gone farther [04:30] I could tell even by just using the ls command, same limiting options, no ls -FA avail [04:31] you could say that was almost a show stopper for me [04:31] Except the show actually stopped... and there was no appluase. [04:31] *applause. [04:31] process creation and forking is much more slower in OS X innards for example [04:32] Armando2: I mean, if you've ever jailbroken an iOS device... it's Debian. [04:32] Armando2: Ripped into 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 tiny little pieces. [04:32] really? that wouldn't shock me, given how portable debian is, honestly ,I would have guessed gentoo, but debian has standardized cross compiling [04:33] so they alter linux and sell it for so much - cheats [04:33] Armando2: Check the Cydia Store... has option to add APT repos and everything. [04:33] I did hear about installing a deb-based user land indeed [04:33] aiena: Well, not per se... iOS = OS X stripped down a bit [04:33] And I would, if I had an iphone of some sort [04:34] Armando2: Don't expect it to work with actual Debian/Ubuntu packages though. [04:34] no, I imagine it's a sort of ports system, that injects source patches to successfully compile on it [04:34] You would be right. [04:35] There's a team working on an open-source iOS device bootloader too. Get ready for the real Android-on-iOS experience. [04:35] Not an official one, mind you. [04:35] I've heard rumors as well [04:36] I've seen it in action [04:36] the ABI is a near cousin to the android world, just gotta get into every nook and cranny of undocumented registers and memory regions with all the gadets hooked in [04:37] I'd talk more, but I must tune my heart and soul to the pillow on my bed. :) lol Or saw logs. [04:37] Either one works for me. 'Night! [04:37] likewise, my Wife commands me soon too, and to jog tomorrow morn, see you round sonikku [04:37] Such a commanding wife. O_o lol Later! [04:38] She Owns [04:38] and I love it... [04:38] :) [04:38] Ahh... love and marriage... I'm not married yet. [05:00] exit [05:25] hello! [05:26] Hello~ === Kvasir is now known as Suttung [05:28] Why is it that when I install a new program, it doesn't appear at the Applications Menu? [05:32] linux_unix-10: what did you install and where did you search for it? [05:33] I installed VLC and I searched for it in all the categories in the Application Menu. [05:36] linux_unix-10: it is not in Multimedia and is called "VLC Media Player"? how did you install it? [05:36] uisng ubuntu software center and videolan.org [05:36] sorry, i meant "using" [05:37] why videolan.org? [05:38] ah, ok, the button just opens the software center [05:38] software center did not work initially, so i went to the website and clicked on the download button for ubuntu [05:39] and if you press ALT+F2 and then enter vlc, does it start? [05:39] after that, firefox asked me to open the software center, allowed it [05:39] then the program was install thru the software center via videolan.org [05:41] i just thought of this: restarting xfce. But i don't know if it will work nor how to do it. [05:44] normally it is not required [05:44] can you start vlc with ALT+F2? [05:45] yes, and it also appears in application finder, but not directly in the applications menu. [05:49] how to restart xfce? [06:23] koegs: is gimps clipboard different from the defualt xubuntu one ? [06:24] a print screen image (when copy to clipboard option is chosen) seems to copy the image into mypaintbut not into gimp [06:24] *mypaint but [06:51] how to restart xfce? [06:54] Which part? [06:58] all of it [06:58] Log out and back in. [07:00] pull plug [08:54] Hi [08:54] hello [08:56] If I install today the ISO from 20130423.1 (yesterday) and the updates , would like to have the final version right? [08:57] yep [08:57] okay " [08:58] =) thanks elfy [08:58] welcome [08:58] =) [09:01] xfce 4.10 rocks !! :) [09:05] How do you map a shell script in the Application Shortcuts from Keyboard in XFCE? sh ~/script.sh "args" doesn't work. [09:06] I tried that it didnt work [09:07] same question here ! [09:07] Maccer: maybe you can try using && to rn the multiple commands directly rather than use a script [09:07] *run [09:08] not tested it though [09:09] my guess is that ~ doesn't work, try a full path [09:09] also, make sure that the file is set to executable === hobgoblin is now known as elfy [09:21] Maccer, aiena, TheSheep: tested it, ~ does not work but /home/youruser/script.sh does work [09:21] thanks [09:22] koegs: Yeah, I can confirm now. It seems like I needed a sleep delay. This script just simply checks for a running process and then proceeds to simulate key presses. XFCE could be grabbing the keyboard. [09:22] koegs: is there a way to disable docking in xfce 4.10 ? [09:23] i LOVE XFCE 4.10 but I dont like the docking bit [09:23] *I love [09:23] aiena: tiling or docking? [09:23] tiling i think [09:23] You mean the little dock by default in xubuntu? [09:23] no [09:24] Oh. I'm sure you could disable the tiling in the window manager preferences somewhere [09:24] 4.10 does not come by default with 12.04 lts i just installed it [09:24] when you place the window on the top it becomes half and snaps [09:24] aiena: what do you mean by docking? [09:24] yeah, window manager preferences, "Automatically tile widnows when moving towards screen edge" [09:24] aiena: ah, yes, you can disable it in window manager tweaks [09:25] TheSheep: I am new to linux xubuntu is my first distro in windows it is normally docking [09:25] koegs: THanks a lot [09:26] in windowa manager tweaks, in the 'accessibility' tab [09:26] aiena: I just don't know the terminology either in windows or linux [09:26] I dont know the terminology in WIndows [09:26] bah linux [09:26] anyways, that's it :) [09:27] WIndows is like making juice for me [09:27] anyways love linux now that I have it :) [09:27] I'm horribly rusty with windows, the last one I had was 98 [09:27] only thing is that I cant get my graphic tablet to work inspite of installing wizardpen [09:27] aiena: is it a wacom? [09:27] TheSheep: ouch !! I loved 98 though it was the most stable windows [09:28] TheSheep: no that is the issue [09:28] wacom has drivers [09:28] for linux so no worries [09:28] maybe I'll just buy a wacom [09:28] TheSheep: do you know how to remove wizarpen [09:28] I had to compie the source [09:28] and add the ppa [09:29] it does not show up in synaptics [09:29] *compile [09:29] i mean add the ppa then compile the source :P [09:31] aiena: do you have a link to the howto that you followed? [09:31] one sec [09:33] TheSheep: http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/digimend/index.php?title=Tablet_setup_with_WizardPen [09:33] thats the source [09:34] aiena: 'make install' just copies the files all over your system, without actually tracking them in any way, or making a package -- so to uninstall it you just have to delete all those file manually [09:35] aiena: there is a list of files under Installed files [09:35] ok so just delete them and it is clean [09:35] is it safe to do that [09:35] yeah, unless they forgot to list something [09:35] or do i have to remove some other config files [09:36] ok [09:37] as for the ppa, there is http://askubuntu.com/questions/307/how-can-ppas-be-removed [09:37] next time, you can use checkinstall instead of "make install" https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CheckInstall [09:37] yeah, checkinstall will create a package while installing, so that it can be uninstalled with the package manager [09:38] thank you so much for the tip [09:38] as a noob i made that mistake :P [09:39] anyways I'll get better as I learn more shell commands :) [09:39] I know dos well [09:39] most howtos don't care about uninstalling, so they are written like that :( [09:39] so some of that knowledge transaltes here [09:39] TheSheep: yep thats crap [09:39] TheSheep: in linux there is no actual installing like in windows [09:40] does linux have a registry ? [09:41] aiena: actually the MSI are modelled after the linux packages, more or less [09:41] I think so [09:41] too [09:41] they are also scripts [09:41] aiena: linux has several different systems that are similar to registry in some ways [09:41] in OS's lots is borrowed lots is new [09:42] for example, the xfce4 configuration is kept in something like a registry [09:42] ok [09:42] you can run xfce4-settings-editor to browse that [09:43] there is no dynamic linking in linux right [09:45] what? [09:45] forget about it [09:46] I guess not [09:46] hi.. [09:46] aiena: i certainly guess "yes", but i am not sure what you mean :D [09:46] hello i want to take some help with you [09:47] i want to uninstall ubuntu my dell laptop [09:47] can you help me how we can uninstall it?? [09:47] is it a duakl boot [09:47] *dual [09:48] windows + linux [09:48] or pure ubuntu [09:48] it is windows + linux [09:49] see dell 2420 [09:49] i bought new laptop today and linux is alredy install in it.. [09:49] ok you can use parted magic [09:49] it is actually gparted but only in a bootable form [09:50] and you can repartition the disk [09:50] and remove the partition and ubuntu [09:51] amar: do you intend for it to only have windows on it? [09:51] yes [09:51] so you wish to remove the partition too [09:51] the ext4 one [09:51] and reclaim the space [09:52] yes i want to remove all the partition and create new one.. [09:52] with the fresh window os.. [09:52] if you let ubuntu install normally then you will need a windows disk of some sort to do the boot - or you'll end up with no boot [09:52] but tbh you should be able to remove the partition from within windows - it'll be the one it doesn't recognise probably [09:53] amar: I think as a windows user myself it would be better to use diskpart [09:53] are you familiar with the dos cmmand line ? [09:53] *command [09:53] no.. [09:54] plz give me the commnad name.. [09:54] amar can you boot into windows [09:54] first and come back on irc [09:54] then I can instruct you further [09:54] irc?? [09:54] on #ubuntu [09:54] ok.. [09:54] internet relay chat [09:54] what you are using now :) [09:55] currently i m using webchat.. [09:55] ok [09:55] webchat is an irc client too [09:55] only web based :) [09:55] amar: webchat is connecting to an irc channel [09:55] i m in linux dashboard [09:55] amar one sec [09:56] before you go any further [09:56] do you have a full backup of your important data [09:56] not sure why you've come to the xubuntu support channel though ;) [09:56] yes... [09:56] because we have to prepare for any emergencies [09:56] OK good [09:56] i have no data in my laptop.. [09:56] 2) is ubuntu unstalled on your windows partition [09:56] before 2 hour i have purchaged. [09:56] dds [09:56] or D drive ? [09:57] so i dnt have any data in my laptop [09:57] ok doesnt make sense [09:57] anyways [09:57] ok boot into windows and come back on webchat [09:57] then will give you support [09:58] elfy removing xubuntu is also support right ??? [09:58] i have boot the windows in my system.. [09:58] yes.. [09:58] :) [09:59] which version are you using xp/ wIN 7 [09:59] WIndows 7 ? [09:59] win 7 [09:59] guys, this is the Xubuntu Support Channel, could you please take it to a query or a windows channel? thx! [10:00] amar I have to go for lunch !! WIll be back in a 30 minutes !! [10:00] hey i want to uninstall linux wd my system and install win 7... [10:00] will you wait [10:00] wht is this?? [10:00] amar: just install windows 7 and during the setup delete all the old partitions, then you are done [10:01] koegs he has a dula boot [10:01] sio he will need diskpart [10:01] does not matter [10:01] shut up yar.. [10:01] fuck up guys..u cant help [10:01] if he wants to do a fresh and new installation of win7, he can delete the linux partitions during the setup [10:01] amar: please watch your language [10:01] koegs he does not want a fresh installation [10:02] aiena: [12:00:16] < amar> hey i want to uninstall linux wd my system and install win 7... [10:02] aiena: regardless of that it's not xubuntu [10:02] he wants to remove linux + the ext4 partition and keep windows [10:02] I am guessing he is using windows and wants to keep the rest [10:03] yes.. [10:03] then it is all up to windows, not related to ubuntu nor xubuntu, please use a query [10:04] koegs: maybe this should be taken to private chat !! [10:04] amar [10:05] I dont know why priv chat isnt working [10:05] has left [10:05] no wonder [10:05] anyways didnt like his langiage [10:05] if that guy doesnt have patience [10:05] and cant be polite it sucks the life out of wanting to help someone (: [10:06] *langiage [10:06] *language [10:06] could have been so easy :D http://askubuntu.com/questions/151253/removing-grub-from-windows-system-after-uninstalling-from-withing-windows [10:06] he has t use delete partition option in diskpart [10:06] but thats all for offtopic :) [10:07] koegs: yes that is easy but that wont remove the ext4 partition [10:07] the ext4 partiton is invisible to windows [10:08] this would mean he cant reclaim the linux partition space [10:08] please take this to offtopic [10:08] so he'd have to use diskpart at the dos shell [10:08] elfy: topic over [10:08] brb [12:38] hello. I'm looking for some torrents to seed for 13.04. Which xubuntu versions eat the most traffic? [12:39] i would like to ask how to make partitions on a 750gb hdd or should I install the whole as one partition? [12:40] Arpad2: depends what you mean - I'd not install to a 750Gb drive and have it as / personally [12:40] Arpad2, ubuntu root system probably uses about 10 gigs max. set a /swap of perhaps your RAM x 2, and then set a /home of whatever you wish for your data and user files [12:40] meerkat: I'm not sure [12:42] ram is 8gb, so 16 gb will be suffice? [12:43] again it depends what you want to do - but personally with 4Gb of ram here I've used kb's of my swap [12:43] I guess the rest should be used for the documents [12:44] Arpad2, the 2 X RAM formula is a "rule of thumb" bit of questionable wisdom. With 8gigs of RAM you should have no problems with suspend/resume ... [12:46] cfhowlett: ok , I will set it for 16 gb for xubuntu 12.04 [12:46] i guess it won't be a problem ti upgrade [12:46] 10 gb for / seems a bit small. Additional packages would increase the size needed, right? [12:47] my root is 15 - used 6.8 [12:47] meerkat, I run ubuntustudio with restricted extras and medibuntu. my / is 6.8 [12:48] meerkat, 6.6 out of 16 gigs available [12:48] ok, thank you all for help :) [12:49] Arpad2, best of luck [12:49] cfhowlett: almost a snap there :) [12:49]