[00:29] <_098v_> Does anyone know how to install different themes for Xubuntu 12.10?
[02:06] <Furah> hi guys, I've run into a bit of a problem
[02:07] <Furah> on the weekend I updated my kernel and now I cannot boot into xubuntu, it just freezes at the blue loading screen with the bar that moves side to side
[02:07] <Furah> trying to boot from older kernels gets stuck loading ramdisk
[03:38] <Armando2> Woot testing great so far, no errors encountered
[03:39] <SonikkuAmerica> Armando2: For Raring?
[03:39] <Armando2> Correct
[03:39] <Armando2> Daily spin
[03:39] <SonikkuAmerica> It's in release candidate phase, so pretty much from this pt. forward WYSIWYG
[03:40] <Armando2> not bad, I did see a lot of visuals improve over the weeks
[03:45] <SonikkuAmerica> Such as...? You'll need to bring me up to speed, I use Unity and haven't put VBox back in my system yet...
[03:45] <SonikkuAmerica> I've worked with Xubuntu before of course
[03:45] <SonikkuAmerica> But only LTS releases
[03:46] <Armando2> Xubuntu's login prompt is what comes to mind, it picks up the theme correctly
[03:46] <SonikkuAmerica> What do you mean, "picks it correctly"? I don't get what that means.
[03:47] <Armando2> earlier dailies would have a login panel with white text over a light grey background. Only by clicking on a pull down menu would text be visible on a highlight
[03:47] <Armando2> Then it was fixed before I could report it
[03:47] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh. (Dailies all right.)
[03:48] <SonikkuAmerica> Usually lightdm-gtk-greeter is fun to try and comprehend in dailies.
[03:49] <Armando2> Yeah, it's been fun though downloading and Vboxing
[03:50] <SonikkuAmerica> VBox is fun to run other OS's in, especially when you have Windows-specific programs that hate on Wine.
[03:50] <SonikkuAmerica> Like Sibelius.
[03:51] <Kvasir> Hey can I ask a quick question re-xubuntu?
[03:51] <Kvasir> Will it run on a macbook 1,1? :s
[03:52] <Armando2> Mine is just for office, xbox360 and a game like urbanterror get my fps fix
[03:52] <Armando2> It should, they usually spin an iso with an optimized efi loader for apple comps
[03:53] <SonikkuAmerica> You might want to check cdimage.ubuntu.com for an amd64+mac image.
[03:54] <SonikkuAmerica> Nope, don't see any... at least not for the daily builds.
[03:54] <Kvasir> Excellent! I'm actually running ubuntu right now, but keen to change to something lighter. It's i386 ^^*
[03:54] <Armando2> The last time I had the ability to play linux on a Mac was a PowerG4 platinum tower with Yellow Dog
[03:54] <Armando2> ran a decent apache server on it
[03:54] <SonikkuAmerica> Kvasir: Why do you need lighter?
[03:54] <Armando2> xubuntu is uber light
[03:56] <SonikkuAmerica> There are Ubuntu (with Unity) i386 images, you know.
[03:56] <Armando2> I can't wait for it to get lighter once the switch happens from xorg to wayland
[03:56] <Kvasir> SonikkuAmerica: Maybe lighter isn't the correct term, I just want a really basic setup. I'd use Arch but that hasn't worked for me so far.
[03:56] <Armando2> Kvasir, perhaps you can bootcamp your system and use the standard desktop version
[03:56] <SonikkuAmerica> All switching to Wayland! End of an era... :\
[03:57] <SonikkuAmerica> Kvasir: Have you tried the minimal ISO/
[03:57] <SonikkuAmerica> ?
[03:57] <Armando2> A minimal base on a mac seems to me a little criminal
[03:58] <Kvasir> I've tried the alt cd, not the minimal cd.
[03:58] <SonikkuAmerica> Armando2: I guess you're supposed to run Unity or KDE on those suckas... I see no Xubuntu or Lubuntu amd64+mac images.
[03:58] <SonikkuAmerica> Armando2: I hear they might take testers for amd64+mac images of Ubuntu GNOME...
[03:58] <Armando2> can bootcamp help strap a compatible environment for xubuntu?
[03:59] <Armando2> < needs a mac in that case hehe
[03:59] <SonikkuAmerica> Armando2: I don't have a Mac, so I can't make guarantees.
[03:59] <Armando2> Kvasir, you can probably accomplish the same effect installing a amd64+mac bootable iso, then bring in the xubuntu meta package
[03:59] <Kvasir> I've never done it through Bootcamp, just through custom partitioning + refind.
[04:00] <SonikkuAmerica> You mean rEFIt?
[04:00] <Armando2> bootcamp if I understand correctly, enables bios emulation
[04:00] <SonikkuAmerica> Armando2: It does.
[04:01] <Kvasir> Here's the catch: I don't want bios emulation, I want EFI. Just to you  know, make my life harder.
[04:01] <Kvasir> SonikkuAmerica: refind is a fork or rEFIt
[04:01] <Armando2> I do feel the same way Kvasir actually, it's too bad apple's EFI implementation is "different"
[04:01] <SonikkuAmerica> Kvasir: Ah.
[04:02] <SonikkuAmerica> Kvasir: Buy a UEFI machine.
[04:02] <Armando2> I would probably opt to do a ubuntu to xubuntu package upgrade
[04:02] <SonikkuAmerica> That would just be [ sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop ]
[04:03] <Armando2> correct, it wouldn't have too much other than the xfce4 packages to download, and it's as simple as choosing a different environment at login
[04:03]  * Kvasir glomps SonikkuAmerica 
[04:03] <SonikkuAmerica> Kvasir: The heck is "glomping"?
[04:04] <Kvasir> *cough* http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=glomping
[04:04] <Kvasir> Anyway that's that problem sorted ^^*
[04:04] <SonikkuAmerica> Kvasir: What. Just what.
[04:04] <SonikkuAmerica> lol
[04:05] <Armando2> follow this forum Kvasir, perhaps the standar amd64 iso will not be a problem for you: ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2131033
[04:06] <Armando2> if you want to avoid the ubuntu bloat, they also suggest doing the lubuntu+mac to xubuntu jump, and you can try out to super lightweight distributions in one!
[04:07] <Armando2> I like this term glomping, I'm gonna glomp my Wife anime style
[04:07] <Kvasir> What have I done..
[04:07] <SonikkuAmerica> Armando2: Yeah. Mainly because 30% of LXDE = XFCE
[04:07] <Armando2> super anime surpise hugs for everyone ^ ^
[04:08] <Armando2> I love LXDE save for a few UI pieces that I found to miss, otherwise, both accomplish < 300MB RAM footprint post login and settling
[04:09] <SonikkuAmerica> It runs like a gazelle on my laptop, VBox or frugal.
[04:09] <Armando2> more room for my 8GB setup for VMs, a couple hundred chromium tabs
[04:09] <SonikkuAmerica> A couple hundred e_e
[04:09] <Armando2> I too might add that XFCE and LXDE are very nice in a VM
[04:10] <Kvasir> I didn't realize it was as simple as apt-get install xubuntu-desktop. Thank's for the help~
[04:10] <Armando2> enjoy Kvasir, glomps
[04:11]  * Kvasir falls backwards
[04:11] <Armando2> I wish I could OSS the heck out of a mac pro laptop
[04:12] <SonikkuAmerica> OSS?
[04:13] <Armando2> Open Source Software
[04:13] <Armando2> not to be mistaken with Open Sound System
[04:15] <SonikkuAmerica> Heck! Do it up!
[04:17] <Armando2> I'm happy with my Dell Studio 14, 8GB, i7 Q740 with a half devent Radeon HD 5450
[04:18] <Armando2> ^decent
[04:18] <Armando2> Born with Win 7, stripped, reinstalled Windows 7, couldn't last more than 1 month, came back to Xubuntu
[04:20] <SonikkuAmerica> Me? Win 98 > XP > Ubuntu 10.04 > Ubuntu 12.04 > 72 million flavor changes > Ubuntu 12.10 > 72 million more flavor changes > Raring.
[04:20] <Armando2> ooh here's my history:
[04:20] <aiena> lol
[04:21] <aiena> Armando2: lets listen to your history... :)
[04:21] <SonikkuAmerica> Did it start with 86-DOS?
[04:21] <aiena> I am runnung xubuntu 12.04 precise - is it possible to updat xfce to 4.10 with precise ?
[04:22] <SonikkuAmerica> aiena: Check off xubuntu-backports maybe?
[04:22] <aiena> how do you do that ?
[04:22] <SonikkuAmerica> In Software Sources
[04:22] <aiena> if i install it over the current xfce 4.8 will it remove the old one
[04:23] <SonikkuAmerica> aiena: Sort of...
[04:23] <Armando2> Dos 5 something, 6.22, Windows 3.0, Win 3.11 for workgroups on Dos 6.22. Win 95, 98 Gold, W2000, Mandrake something version, Redhat 7, Redhat 8, Slackware, Linux From Scratch (yes successfully bootstrapped, and compiled a working user land), Arch, Gentoo
[04:23] <aiena> hmm the software centre does not list xfce purely
[04:23] <aiena> I am confused
[04:23] <Armando2> install synaptic package manager
[04:24] <aiena> its there
[04:24] <SonikkuAmerica> aiena: Run [ software-properties-gtk ] in a terminal, or find "Software Sources" in XFCE System Settings,
[04:24] <Armando2> Even went FreeBSD for a bit until graphics bored me, what else
[04:24] <aiena> ok runnung it instead
[04:25] <SonikkuAmerica> Armando2: Did you know that FreeBSD was ripped off?
[04:26] <SonikkuAmerica> Armando2: (Tried FreeBSD, stopped at the $)
[04:26] <Armando2> Ubuntu from 9 something to present, up until unity emerged, jumped to xubuntu. Dated two Mint women, Lubuntu, Xubuntu present
[04:26] <Armando2> how as freebsd ripped off?
[04:26] <Armando2> how was ^
[04:26] <Armando2> Side line use CentOS when I need to setup a matching dev environment for a web app project
[04:27] <aiena> SonikkuAmerica: should i choose the software packaged by cannonical option in software sources ?
[04:27] <SonikkuAmerica> aiena: Look under the first tab... there are 4 or 5 check boxes. Check the one labeled "Unsupported updates"
[04:27] <Armando2> aiena, try out repogen.simplylinux.ch . There might be a popular xfce latest ppa available
[04:28] <xubuntu592> how do I install with LVM and xubuntu 12.10, in the drop down for partitioning types there is no pv option... ?
[04:28] <SonikkuAmerica> Armando2: Some Buddhist software developer messed with it, slapped on some sort of window manager on it, and sold it on his own hardware for some $900-1.2k per socket. I think his name was Steve.
[04:28] <Armando2> oh yes, lot's a BSD stuff, hardly any NeXT remain
[04:28] <SonikkuAmerica> (Not trying to be religionist here, just stating facts)
[04:29] <aiena> SonikkuAmerica: Unsupported updates is enabled
[04:29] <aiena> SonikkuAmerica: should I check pre release
[04:29] <SonikkuAmerica> aiena: Now, [ sudo apt-get update ] or run Update Manager.
[04:29] <SonikkuAmerica> Armando2: I believe it's called OS X.
[04:29] <SonikkuAmerica> :)
[04:29] <Armando2> yeah, I don't like OSX much from a visual or architectural standpoint
[04:30] <SonikkuAmerica> Yeah, but the whole OS X project was a ripoff of FreeBSD.
[04:30] <SonikkuAmerica> I honestly think NeXT could've gone farther
[04:30] <Armando2> I could tell even by just using the ls command, same limiting options, no ls -FA avail
[04:31] <Armando2> you could say that was almost a show stopper for me
[04:31] <SonikkuAmerica> Except the show actually stopped... and there was no appluase.
[04:31] <SonikkuAmerica> *applause.
[04:31] <Armando2> process creation and forking is much more slower in OS X innards for example
[04:32] <SonikkuAmerica> Armando2: I mean, if you've ever jailbroken an iOS device... it's Debian.
[04:32] <SonikkuAmerica> Armando2: Ripped into 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 tiny little pieces.
[04:32] <Armando2> really? that wouldn't shock me, given how portable debian is, honestly ,I would have guessed gentoo, but debian has standardized cross compiling
[04:33] <aiena> so they alter linux and sell it for so much - cheats
[04:33] <SonikkuAmerica> Armando2: Check the Cydia Store... has option to add APT repos and everything.
[04:33] <Armando2> I did hear about installing a deb-based user land indeed
[04:33] <SonikkuAmerica> aiena: Well, not per se... iOS = OS X stripped down a bit
[04:33] <Armando2> And I would, if I had an iphone of some sort
[04:34] <SonikkuAmerica> Armando2: Don't expect it to work with actual Debian/Ubuntu packages though.
[04:34] <Armando2> no, I imagine it's a sort of ports system, that injects source patches to successfully compile on it
[04:34] <SonikkuAmerica> You would be right.
[04:35] <SonikkuAmerica> There's a team working on an open-source iOS device bootloader too. Get ready for the real Android-on-iOS experience.
[04:35] <SonikkuAmerica> Not an official one, mind you.
[04:35] <Armando2> I've heard rumors as well
[04:36] <SonikkuAmerica> I've seen it in action
[04:36] <Armando2> the ABI is a near cousin to the android world, just gotta get into every nook and cranny of undocumented registers and memory regions with all the gadets hooked in
[04:37] <SonikkuAmerica> I'd talk more, but I must tune my heart and soul to the pillow on my bed. :) lol Or saw logs.
[04:37] <SonikkuAmerica> Either one works for me. 'Night!
[04:37] <Armando2> likewise, my Wife commands me soon too, and to jog tomorrow morn, see you round sonikku
[04:37] <SonikkuAmerica> Such a commanding wife. O_o lol Later!
[04:38] <Armando2> She Owns
[04:38] <Armando2> and I love it...
[04:38] <SonikkuAmerica> :)
[04:38] <SonikkuAmerica> Ahh... love and marriage... I'm not married yet.
[05:00] <aiena> exit
[05:25] <linux_unix-10> hello!
[05:26] <Kvasir> Hello~
[05:28] <linux_unix-10> Why is it that when I install a new program, it doesn't appear at the Applications Menu?
[05:32] <koegs> linux_unix-10: what did you install and where did you search for it?
[05:33] <linux_unix-10> I installed VLC and I searched for it in all the categories in the Application Menu.
[05:36] <koegs> linux_unix-10: it is not in Multimedia and is called "VLC Media Player"? how did you install it?
[05:36] <linux_unix-10> uisng ubuntu software center and videolan.org
[05:36] <linux_unix-10> sorry, i meant "using"
[05:37] <koegs> why videolan.org?
[05:38] <koegs> ah, ok, the button just opens the software center
[05:38] <linux_unix-10> software center did not work initially, so i went to the website and clicked on the download button for ubuntu
[05:39] <koegs> and if you press ALT+F2 and then enter vlc, does it start?
[05:39] <linux_unix-10> after that, firefox asked me to open the software center, allowed it
[05:39] <linux_unix-10> then the program was install thru the software center via videolan.org
[05:41] <linux_unix-10> i just thought of this:  restarting xfce. But i don't know if it will work nor how to do it.
[05:44] <koegs> normally it is not required
[05:44] <koegs> can you start vlc with ALT+F2?
[05:45] <linux_unix-10> yes, and it also appears in application finder, but not directly in the applications menu.
[05:49] <linux_unix-10> how to restart xfce?
[06:23] <aiena> koegs: is gimps clipboard different from the defualt xubuntu one ?
[06:24] <aiena> a print screen image (when copy to clipboard option is chosen) seems to copy the image into mypaintbut not into gimp
[06:24] <aiena> *mypaint but
[06:51] <linux_unix-10> how to restart xfce?
[06:54] <Unit193> Which part?
[06:58] <linux_unix-10> all of it
[06:58] <Unit193> Log out and back in.
[07:00] <heoyea> pull plug
[08:54] <xubuntu763> Hi
[08:54] <elfy> hello
[08:56] <xubuntu763> If I install today the ISO from 20130423.1 (yesterday) and the updates , would like to have the final version right?
[08:57] <elfy> yep
[08:57] <xubuntu763> okay "
[08:58] <xubuntu763> =) thanks elfy
[08:58] <elfy> welcome
[08:58] <xubuntu763> =)
[09:01] <aiena> xfce 4.10 rocks !! :)
[09:05] <Maccer> How do you map a shell script in the Application Shortcuts from Keyboard in XFCE? sh ~/script.sh "args" doesn't work.
[09:06] <aiena> I tried that it didnt work
[09:07] <aiena> same question here !
[09:07] <aiena> Maccer: maybe you can try using && to rn the multiple commands directly rather than use a script
[09:07] <aiena> *run
[09:08] <aiena> not tested it though
[09:09] <TheSheep> my guess is that ~ doesn't work, try a full path
[09:09] <TheSheep> also, make sure that the file is set to executable
[09:21] <koegs> Maccer, aiena, TheSheep: tested it, ~ does not work but /home/youruser/script.sh does work
[09:21] <aiena> thanks
[09:22] <Maccer> koegs: Yeah, I can confirm now. It seems like I needed a sleep delay. This script just simply checks for a running process and then proceeds to simulate key presses. XFCE could be grabbing the keyboard.
[09:22] <aiena> koegs: is there a way to disable docking in xfce 4.10 ?
[09:23] <aiena> i LOVE XFCE 4.10 but I dont like the docking bit
[09:23] <aiena> *I love
[09:23] <koegs> aiena: tiling or docking?
[09:23] <aiena> tiling i think
[09:23] <Maccer> You mean the little dock by default in xubuntu?
[09:23] <aiena> no
[09:24] <Maccer> Oh. I'm sure you could disable the tiling in the window manager preferences somewhere
[09:24] <aiena> 4.10 does not come by default with 12.04 lts i just installed it
[09:24] <aiena> when you place the window on the top it becomes half and snaps
[09:24] <TheSheep> aiena: what do you mean by docking?
[09:24] <koegs> yeah, window manager preferences, "Automatically tile widnows when moving towards screen edge"
[09:24] <TheSheep> aiena: ah, yes, you can disable it in window manager tweaks
[09:25] <aiena> TheSheep: I am new to linux xubuntu is my first distro in windows it is normally docking
[09:25] <aiena> koegs: THanks a lot
[09:26] <TheSheep> in windowa manager tweaks, in the 'accessibility' tab
[09:26] <TheSheep> aiena: I just don't know the terminology either in windows or linux
[09:26] <aiena> I dont know the terminology in WIndows
[09:26] <aiena> bah linux
[09:26] <TheSheep> anyways, that's it :)
[09:27] <aiena> WIndows is like making juice for me
[09:27] <aiena> anyways love linux now that I have it :)
[09:27] <TheSheep> I'm horribly rusty with windows, the last one I had was 98
[09:27] <aiena> only thing is that I cant get my graphic tablet to work inspite of installing wizardpen
[09:27] <TheSheep> aiena: is it a wacom?
[09:27] <aiena> TheSheep: ouch !! I loved 98 though it was the most stable windows
[09:28] <aiena> TheSheep: no that is the issue
[09:28] <aiena> wacom has drivers
[09:28] <aiena> for linux so no worries
[09:28] <aiena> maybe I'll just buy a wacom
[09:28] <aiena> TheSheep: do you know how to remove wizarpen
[09:28] <aiena> I had to compie the source
[09:28] <aiena> and add the ppa
[09:29] <aiena> it does not show up in synaptics
[09:29] <aiena> *compile
[09:29] <aiena> i mean add the ppa then compile the source :P
[09:31] <TheSheep> aiena: do you have a link to the howto that you followed?
[09:31] <aiena> one sec
[09:33] <aiena> TheSheep: http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/digimend/index.php?title=Tablet_setup_with_WizardPen
[09:33] <aiena> thats the source
[09:34] <TheSheep> aiena: 'make install' just copies the files all over your system, without actually tracking them in any way, or making a package -- so to uninstall it you just have to delete all those file manually
[09:35] <TheSheep> aiena: there is a list of files under Installed files
[09:35] <aiena> ok so just delete them and it is clean
[09:35] <aiena> is it safe to do that
[09:35] <TheSheep> yeah, unless they forgot to list something
[09:35] <aiena> or do i have to remove some other config files
[09:36] <aiena> ok
[09:37] <TheSheep> as for the ppa, there is http://askubuntu.com/questions/307/how-can-ppas-be-removed
[09:37] <koegs> next time, you can use checkinstall instead of "make install" https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CheckInstall
[09:37] <TheSheep> yeah, checkinstall will create a package while installing, so that it can be uninstalled with the package manager
[09:38] <aiena> thank you so much for the tip
[09:38] <aiena> as a noob i made that mistake :P
[09:39] <aiena> anyways I'll get better as I learn more shell commands :)
[09:39] <aiena> I know dos well
[09:39] <TheSheep> most howtos don't care about uninstalling, so they are written like that :(
[09:39] <aiena> so some of that knowledge transaltes here
[09:39] <aiena> TheSheep: yep thats crap
[09:39] <aiena> TheSheep: in linux there is no actual installing like in windows
[09:40] <aiena> does linux have a registry ?
[09:41] <TheSheep> aiena: actually the MSI are modelled after the linux packages, more or less
[09:41] <aiena> I think so
[09:41] <aiena> too
[09:41] <aiena> they are also scripts
[09:41] <TheSheep> aiena: linux has several different systems that are similar to registry in some ways
[09:41] <aiena> in OS's lots is borrowed lots is new
[09:42] <TheSheep> for example, the xfce4 configuration is kept in something like a registry
[09:42] <aiena> ok
[09:42] <TheSheep> you can run xfce4-settings-editor to browse that
[09:43] <aiena> there is no dynamic linking in linux right
[09:45] <koegs> what?
[09:45] <aiena> forget about it
[09:46] <aiena> I guess not
[09:46] <amar> hi..
[09:46] <koegs> aiena: i certainly guess "yes", but i am not sure what you mean :D
[09:46] <amar> hello i want to take some help with you
[09:47] <amar> i want to uninstall ubuntu my dell laptop
[09:47] <amar> can you help me how we can uninstall it??
[09:47] <aiena> is it a duakl boot
[09:47] <aiena> *dual
[09:48] <aiena> windows + linux
[09:48] <aiena> or pure ubuntu
[09:48] <amar> it is windows + linux
[09:49] <amar> see dell 2420
[09:49] <amar> i bought new laptop today and linux is alredy install in it..
[09:49] <aiena> ok you can use parted magic
[09:49] <aiena> it is actually gparted but only in a bootable form
[09:50] <aiena> and you can repartition the disk
[09:50] <aiena> and remove the partition and ubuntu
[09:51] <elfy> amar: do you intend for it to only have windows on it?
[09:51] <amar> yes
[09:51] <aiena> so you wish to remove the partition too
[09:51] <aiena> the ext4 one
[09:51] <aiena> and reclaim the space
[09:52] <amar> yes i want to remove all the partition and create new one..
[09:52] <amar> with the fresh window os..
[09:52] <elfy> if you let ubuntu install normally then you will need a windows disk of some sort to do the boot - or you'll end up with no boot
[09:52] <elfy> but tbh you should be able to remove the partition from within windows - it'll be the one it doesn't recognise probably
[09:53] <aiena> amar: I think as a windows user myself it would be better to use diskpart
[09:53] <aiena> are you familiar with the dos cmmand line ?
[09:53] <aiena> *command
[09:53] <amar> no..
[09:54] <amar> plz give me the commnad name..
[09:54] <aiena> amar can you boot into windows
[09:54] <aiena> first and come back on irc
[09:54] <aiena> then I can instruct you further
[09:54] <amar> irc??
[09:54] <aiena> on #ubuntu
[09:54] <amar> ok..
[09:54] <aiena> internet relay chat
[09:54] <aiena> what you are using now :)
[09:55] <amar> currently i m using webchat..
[09:55] <aiena> ok
[09:55] <aiena> webchat is an irc client too
[09:55] <aiena> only web based :)
[09:55] <elfy> amar: webchat is connecting to an irc channel
[09:55] <amar> i m in linux dashboard
[09:55] <aiena> amar one sec
[09:56] <aiena> before you go any further
[09:56] <aiena> do you have a full backup of your important data
[09:56] <elfy> not sure why you've come to the xubuntu support channel though ;)
[09:56] <amar> yes...
[09:56] <aiena> because we have to prepare for any emergencies
[09:56] <aiena> OK good
[09:56] <amar> i have no data in my laptop..
[09:56] <aiena> 2) is ubuntu unstalled on your windows partition
[09:56] <amar> before 2 hour i have purchaged.
[09:56] <amar> dds
[09:56] <aiena> or D drive ?
[09:57] <amar> so i dnt have any data in my laptop
[09:57] <aiena> ok doesnt make sense
[09:57] <aiena> anyways
[09:57] <aiena> ok boot into windows and come back on webchat
[09:57] <aiena> then will give you support
[09:58] <aiena> elfy removing xubuntu is also support right ???
[09:58] <amar> i have boot the windows in my system..
[09:58] <amar> yes..
[09:58] <aiena> :)
[09:59] <aiena> which version are you using xp/ wIN 7
[09:59] <aiena> WIndows 7 ?
[09:59] <amar> win 7
[09:59] <koegs> guys, this is the Xubuntu Support Channel, could you please take it to a query or a windows channel? thx!
[10:00] <aiena> amar I have to go for lunch !! WIll be back in a 30 minutes !!
[10:00] <amar> hey i want to uninstall linux wd my system and install win 7...
[10:00] <aiena> will you wait
[10:00] <amar> wht is this??
[10:00] <koegs> amar: just install windows 7 and during the setup delete all the old partitions, then you are done
[10:01] <aiena> koegs he has a dula boot
[10:01] <aiena> sio he will need diskpart
[10:01] <koegs> does not matter
[10:01] <amar> shut up yar..
[10:01] <amar> fuck up guys..u cant help
[10:01] <koegs> if he wants to do a fresh and new installation of win7, he can delete the linux partitions during the setup
[10:01] <koegs> amar: please watch your language
[10:01] <aiena> koegs he does not want a fresh installation
[10:02] <koegs> aiena: [12:00:16] < amar> hey i want to uninstall linux wd my system and install win 7...
[10:02] <elfy> aiena: regardless of that it's not xubuntu
[10:02] <aiena> he wants to remove linux + the ext4 partition and keep windows
[10:02] <aiena> I am guessing he is using windows and wants to keep the rest
[10:03] <amar> yes..
[10:03] <koegs> then it is all up to windows, not related to ubuntu nor xubuntu, please use a query
[10:04] <aiena> koegs: maybe this should be taken to private chat !!
[10:04] <aiena> amar
[10:05] <aiena> I dont know why priv chat isnt working
[10:05] <elfy> has left
[10:05] <aiena> no wonder
[10:05] <aiena> anyways didnt like his langiage
[10:05] <aiena> if that guy doesnt have patience
[10:05] <aiena> and cant be polite it sucks the life out of wanting to help someone (:
[10:06] <aiena> *langiage
[10:06] <aiena> *language
[10:06] <koegs> could have been so easy :D http://askubuntu.com/questions/151253/removing-grub-from-windows-system-after-uninstalling-from-withing-windows
[10:06] <aiena> he has t use delete partition option in diskpart
[10:06] <koegs> but thats all for offtopic :)
[10:07] <aiena> koegs: yes that is easy but that wont remove the ext4 partition
[10:07] <aiena> the ext4 partiton is invisible to windows
[10:08] <aiena> this would mean he cant reclaim the linux partition space
[10:08] <elfy> please take this to offtopic
[10:08] <aiena> so he'd have to use diskpart at the dos shell
[10:08] <aiena> elfy: topic over
[10:08] <aiena> brb
[12:38] <meerkat> hello. I'm looking for some torrents to seed for 13.04. Which xubuntu versions eat the most traffic?
[12:39] <Arpad2> i would like to ask how to make partitions on a 750gb hdd or should I install the whole as one partition?
[12:40] <elfy> Arpad2: depends what you mean - I'd not install to a 750Gb drive and have it as / personally
[12:40] <cfhowlett> Arpad2, ubuntu root system probably uses about 10 gigs max.  set a /swap of perhaps your RAM x 2, and then set a /home of whatever you wish for your data and user files
[12:40] <elfy> meerkat: I'm not sure
[12:42] <Arpad2> ram is 8gb, so 16 gb will be suffice?
[12:43] <elfy> again it depends what you want to do - but personally with 4Gb of ram here I've used kb's of my swap
[12:43] <Arpad2> I guess the rest should be used for the documents
[12:44] <cfhowlett> Arpad2, the 2 X RAM formula is a "rule of thumb" bit of questionable wisdom.  With 8gigs of RAM you should have no problems with suspend/resume ...
[12:46] <Arpad2> cfhowlett: ok , I will set it for 16 gb for xubuntu 12.04
[12:46] <Arpad2> i guess it won't be a problem ti upgrade
[12:46] <meerkat> 10 gb for / seems a bit small. Additional packages would increase the size needed, right?
[12:47] <elfy> my root is 15 - used 6.8
[12:47] <cfhowlett> meerkat, I run ubuntustudio with restricted extras and medibuntu.  my / is 6.8
[12:48] <cfhowlett> meerkat, 6.6 out of 16 gigs available
[12:48] <Arpad2> ok, thank you all for help :)
[12:49] <cfhowlett> Arpad2, best of luck
[12:49] <elfy> cfhowlett: almost a snap there :)
[12:49] <elfy> Arpad2: have fun
[12:49] <Arpad2> thx:)
[12:50] <meerkat> cfhowlett, you are right. I am using only 8.9 myself. I guess I went overboard with 45GiB for the root partition. :/
[12:51] <cfhowlett> meerkat, I did fill the root once ,but that was cuz I didn't clean out the cache.  apt-get clean && apt-get autoremove fixed that right up
[12:51] <elfy> meerkat: well you never know - if you installed a whole bunch of games or something you might fill it up
[12:52] <cfhowlett> elfy, actually that's possible.  My windows steam shows about 60 gigs worth of portal at the moment, so ...
[12:52] <meerkat> too much space is better than not enough, for sure. Good thing Steam games are put in /home/
[12:53] <elfy> I don't use a seperate home :)
[12:54] <Arpad2> so for Steam games I will need a bigger partition?
[12:55] <elfy> I possibly would if I wasn't having a seperate /home - as I said ealrier it all depends
[12:56] <elfy> If I had all my data in home I'd be needing 600Gb
[12:56] <meerkat> Arpad2, if you have 3 partitions. swap, /, and /home/ Then putting 4-8 GB for swap and 15 for / you will have plenty of space in /home/ for steam games.
[12:57] <cfhowlett> meerkat, sadly, I never got steam to actually run on 12.04
[12:58] <Arpad2> yes, but first I would upgrade to 12.10
[12:58] <meerkat> my steam install is only 30 GB. That includes all source games released for linux, all goldsource, plus a bunch of indie games.
[12:58] <Arpad2> i guess its not an issue
[13:00] <Arpad2> but my live cd is xubuntu 12.04
[13:10] <GridCube> Arpad2, you can upgrade, its not the fastest way to install 12.10 but its a start, and tomorrow tehre would be 13.04 :3
[13:10] <GridCube> you could download 13.04 and go with that directly
[13:12] <Arpad2> I only have a phone, live 12.04 cd, laptop with no os, and usb flash drive
[13:16] <GridCube> oh then use the livecd to download the iso and use unetbootin to make a booteable flash drive :3
[13:19] <Arpad2> ok, I will try it
[13:19] <dBLOOD> Hi people
[13:20] <cfhowlett> dBLOOD, greetings
[13:20] <dBLOOD> anyone knows a console command to reconnect eth0?
[13:20] <dBLOOD> suppose the @&# connection gets terminated for whatever @&# reason...
[13:21] <dBLOOD> where #&@ does not equal #&@
[13:21] <TheSheep> dBLOOD: what kind of connection?
[13:21] <dBLOOD> anyway, is there some short "net reconnect eth0" or whatever console command?
[13:21] <dBLOOD> it's pppoe
[13:21] <dBLOOD> on eth0
[13:22] <TheSheep> I would wager that the command starts with ppp then...
[13:22] <dBLOOD> I'm searching for something similar like pulling out, than reconnect the cable
[13:22] <TheSheep> but I have no idea about pppoe
[13:22] <TheSheep> you might want to try to search the wiki or forums
[13:22] <dBLOOD> I thought it should have something to do with eth0
[13:23] <dBLOOD> I'm trying, but only that @&# wireless is everywhere
[13:24] <dBLOOD> there is something like "sudo dhclient* eth0"
[13:24] <TheSheep> !pppoe
[13:24] <dBLOOD> yeah, but I already have one set up
[13:24] <TheSheep> there is a part titled "Manual connection control"
[13:25] <dBLOOD> in the network manager, I even can see and change it's setztings, like login pwd and stuff
[13:25] <dBLOOD> thx TheSheep this is it
[13:28] <dBLOOD> Hi people!
[13:28] <dBLOOD> Just as I thought, it's NOT a pppd process
[13:29] <GridCube> dBLOOD, pppoeconf
[13:29] <GridCube> P:
[13:29] <dBLOOD> ?
[13:29] <dBLOOD> wait, checking
[13:29] <GridCube> dBLOOD, also man nmcli
[13:30] <GridCube> nmcli lets you disconnect and reconnect networkd adapters
[13:30] <GridCube> also choose wifi networks and whatnot
[13:31] <dBLOOD> pppoeconf was starting to set up a new connection
[13:32] <dBLOOD> never mind
[14:32] <meerkat> does xubuntu only have 2 versions? 32 bit and 64 desktops?
[14:33] <koegs> yes
[14:35] <baizon> meerkat: yes
[14:35]  * genii-around ponders the lack of ARM
[14:40] <WeNDoR> meerkat: what other options are there ?
[14:41] <meerkat> WeNDoR, i am not sure. That is why I asked.
[14:41] <meerkat> ubuntu and kubuntu seem to have 2 mac releases
[14:42] <WeNDoR> you can install xubuntu om mac too
[14:42] <meerkat> WeNDoR, is there an iso for that?
[14:42] <WeNDoR> the normal iso, i guess
[14:42] <WeNDoR> just boot it up and install
[14:42] <WeNDoR> http://www.maclife.com/article/howtos/install_linux_your_mac
[14:42] <meerkat> well, all right then. WeNDoR I am compiling a list of what to seed once 13.04 goes live.
[14:43] <WeNDoR> just choose xubuntu as your distribution
[14:43] <WeNDoR> should not be too hard ...
[14:50] <xubuntu880> hi all
[14:50] <WeNDoR> hi
[14:50] <xubuntu880> some one can help me?
[14:50] <WeNDoR> depends on what your problem is
[14:50] <xubuntu880> i cant install flash plugin
[14:50] <WeNDoR> ask
[14:50] <WeNDoR> ok
[14:51] <WeNDoR> install icedtea
[14:51] <WeNDoR> or something like that
[14:51] <xubuntu880> im a noob of ubuntu
[14:51] <WeNDoR> just run
[14:51] <WeNDoR> sudo apt-get install icedtea-plugin
[14:53] <xubuntu880> ok im installing
[14:53] <xubuntu880> thank
[14:53] <xubuntu880> a lot
[14:53] <xubuntu880> another think...
[14:53] <xubuntu880> :p
[14:53] <WeNDoR> thank me if it works
[14:53] <WeNDoR> oh wait
[14:53] <WeNDoR> don't install that lol
[14:53] <WeNDoR> that's for java, not flash
[14:53] <WeNDoR> my bad
[14:54] <xubuntu880> :)
[14:54] <WeNDoR> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer gsfonts-x11
[14:54] <WeNDoR> that should be for flash
[14:54] <WeNDoR> i hope
[14:55] <xubuntu880> ok im retryng
[14:56] <xubuntu880> 4 my other think..im using xubuntu from cd and i cant put it permanentely
[14:56] <xubuntu880> on pc
[14:56] <xubuntu880> it gives me an error
[14:56] <WeNDoR> what error ?
[14:56] <xubuntu880> it invite me to retry to install it
[14:56] <xubuntu880> but nothink
[14:57] <WeNDoR> i can't help you with the provided information
[14:57] <WeNDoR> provide an install log or something
[14:57] <xubuntu880> im a noob :)
[14:57] <xubuntu880> but i will try
[14:57] <xubuntu880> i want learn more
[14:58] <WeNDoR> good luck and have fun
[15:00] <xubuntu880> but can i ask to u somethink if iv a doubt??
[15:02] <elfy> there are plenty of people in here xubuntu880 - just need to ask and whoever see's and can answer will :)
[15:03] <xubuntu880> so gently
[15:08] <jimalo> excuse me here i am again
[15:08] <jimalo> the installation was successful
[15:09] <jimalo> but i cant see flash videos
[15:11] <TheSheep> !flash
[16:29] <lalondong> Guys
[16:30] <lalondong> how to setup keyboard shortcut in xubuntu?
[16:30] <lalondong> i'm running Ubuntu 12.04 LTS, but using XFCE desktop environment cause Unity makes my computer slow
[16:33] <GridCube> lalondong, what kind of shortcuts?
[16:34] <GridCube> mediakeys usually depend on the media player, they have usually a setting you can enable to recognize them
[16:34] <lalondong> like in Ubuntu to access terminal faster, i just need to use Ctrl + Alt + T shortcut..
[16:34] <GridCube> lalondong, press the windows key ant t
[16:34] <lalondong> ahh, thanks it's working.;
[16:35] <lalondong> sorry, i'm new to this stuff..haha
[16:35] <GridCube> thats defined at >settings >keyboard >shortcuts
[16:35] <GridCube> you have a preset, of meta-t, meta-e and meta-f
[16:36] <GridCube> alt-f5 and alt-f6 are also set up
[16:36] <GridCube> and alt-f9 and alt-10
[16:38] <GridCube> alt-left-click-drag'n'drop will drag any window, regardless or where you click, and alt-left-clic-drag'n'drop will resize any window regardles of where you click
[16:39] <koegs> second one is right-click, GridCube ;-)
[16:39] <GridCube> P: correct
[16:40] <lalondong> cool
[16:40] <Arpad2> win8 van a laptopon, hogyan szabaduljak meg tole köszönöm!?
[16:40] <GridCube> alt-scroll-wheel at the window name bar will make it transparen
[16:40] <GridCube> thats some nordic language... correct?
[16:41] <Arpad2> HUn
[16:42] <Arpad2> distant relative to Finish :)
[16:42] <Arpad2> sorry it wasn't meant here
[16:42] <Arpad2> but I have a problem
[16:43] <Arpad2> win8 is installed on the laptop, and I don't know how to get rid of it and how to install the xubuntu
[16:43] <GridCube> !uefi
[16:43] <GridCube> Arpad2, ^^
[16:45] <Arpad2> ok, I'll read it, thx
[16:51] <foobar55> hi all - someone know about ?.gvfs problems with 12.04
[16:51] <foobar55> i try to connet two laptops but fail with gigolo
[17:02] <koegs> foobar55: how do you try to connect with the other laptop? which protocol?
[17:56] <kRush> is there going to be a beta 3? with the installer snafu I didn't get to test anything
[17:57] <baizon> kRush: release is tomorrow
[17:57] <baizon> kRush: i mean the final release
[17:57] <kRush> oh
[17:57] <Pici> I think thats a 'no', then.
[17:57] <kRush> yeah, that much I figured
[19:19] <fallore> hi everyone. i'm trying to put the xubuntu install iso on a bootable USB drive and i'm not sure which filesystem to select. can anyone help me out?
[19:21] <well_laid_lawn> fallore:  I think ext4 should be fine
[19:21] <well_laid_lawn> !install
[19:21] <well_laid_lawn> might be a clue in those links
[19:21] <Myrtti> at what point does it even ask that? I don't think it does
[19:22] <well_laid_lawn> it should ask at formatting the partition
[19:29] <meerkat> fallore, file system on the USB drive?
[20:18] <schreber> Is there a change log for what we're likely to see in xubuntu 13.04 ?
[20:19] <elfy> schreber: will be much as it was at beta - http://xubuntu.org/news/raring-beta1/
[20:21] <schreber> did they fix the gvfs (?) issue with thunar and the disappearing/re-appearing issue with network and/or trash?
[20:21] <elfy> no idea tbh - I've been missing for most of the cycle
[20:22] <elfy> but I've not noticed anything untoward with trash in thunar
[20:23] <schreber> well I've noticed the issue randomly honestly but it's a tad annoying since the issue wasn't present in xfce 4.8/debian variant
[20:24] <elfy> I would have noticed trash - I might have been missing but I've been using 13.04 constantly for 3 months or so
[20:24] <schreber> probably fixed if you've not noticed it in that time frame
[20:25] <elfy> k - best place to look would be bugs if you knew that there was one reported
[20:25] <schreber> was never too confident in running an alpha/beta on a main desktop
[20:25] <elfy> I always have the previous available :)
[20:25] <schreber> it was noted on the launchpad site, but not sure how active that is compared to other bug sites/trackers.
[20:25] <schreber> thank you any way.
[20:25] <elfy> welcome
[20:28] <schreber> have you noticed any improvements over 12.10 > 13.04 ? snappier, less resources (not like it's was bloated), general overall opinion of the new version
[20:28] <elfy> stable and smooth here
[20:29] <elfy> I can't comment on snappier as I upgraded hardware recently
[20:29] <schreber> sdd or standard hdd ?
[20:29] <elfy> standard
[20:29] <schreber> well that's good to hear.
[20:30] <elfy> I use nouveau ofr graphics - not had any issues with that
[20:31] <schreber> well i have a system using the generic intel video driver and another with an ati/amd card (which I suppose will be installable with the current ati/amd driver available on their website).
[20:31] <schreber> ahh, did you notice any issue with tumblerd (I think it's a bluetooth application/notifier)?
[20:32] <moetunes> tumblerd makes thumbnails
[20:32] <schreber> well drats, that makes no sense to me then
[20:32] <elfy> I'm much too old fashioned to have anything to do with bluetooth :)
[20:34] <schreber> as am I, but I noticed it installs something regardless of hardware (I've noticed the bluetooth icon on the taskbar)
[20:34] <elfy> I stop all that :)
[20:35] <schreber> moetunes: thanks for the information by the way
[20:41] <schreber> elfy, did you experience any issues once a release was finalized (doing something like apt-get upgrade to a alpha/beta release)?
[20:42] <elfy> no - but then it's been upgraded more or less constantly since I last installed it
[22:17] <Pinky> hi all looking for help updating virtualbox ...  . . .. ?  anyone
[22:17] <bazhang> updating how?
[22:18] <Pinky> i Keep getting errors ...
[22:19] <Pinky> im running u 12.10 have vbox 4.1.18 installed i would like to upgrade to 4.2.12
[22:20] <Pinky> i download the new ver..   tried to install   with package installer says     . .    Error breaks existing package virtualbox that conflict..
[22:21] <bazhang> dl'd the new version from where?
[22:21] <Pinky> offical web site virtualbox.org
[22:22] <bazhang> !find virtualbox
[22:22] <Pinky> under linux page i tried everyting on that page except uninstalling my current ver..
[22:23] <bazhang> so your first version was from within ubuntu
[22:23] <Pinky> sorry im new to linux .. so plz be patient
[22:23] <bazhang> !info virtualbox-ose
[22:23] <Pinky> 1st yes then 2nd i installed can't remember how
[22:23] <Pinky> this will be the 3rd  version
[22:24] <bazhang> you just said from the virtualbox site
[22:24] <Pinky> just a sec will give u url
[22:24] <Pinky> https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads   got it from there
[22:25] <Pinky> using the 12.10 link amd64
[22:25] <Pinky> i tried yum install virtualbox-4.2 says can't find it
[22:25] <bazhang> yum?
[22:26] <bazhang> are you on fedora?
[22:26] <Pinky> that is a good question how do i know
[22:28] <Pinky> remember i'm new to linux/ fedora/ ubuntu
[22:28] <lderan> if you type this into a terminal window and press enter it should tell you "cat /proc/version"
[22:28] <bazhang> can you get to a terminal?
[22:29] <Pinky> says /proc/version command not found had to use sudo
[22:29] <lderan> or "cat /etc/issue" if that doesn't work
[22:30] <Pinky> buntu 12.10 / n /l
[22:30] <Pinky> ubuntu 12.10 /n /1
[22:31] <bazhang> why do you need the latest version of vbox?
[22:31] <lderan> ah try apt-get instead of yum :)
[22:31] <Pinky> dont really need it was just trying to update ...  tried that also  will give u the out put in a sec
[22:32] <bazhang> thats not the way to install software in ubuntu
[22:32] <bazhang> always best to stick with the package manager
[22:32] <Pinky> says unable to locate package
[22:32] <bazhang> you dl'd a deb, so apt-get wont be able to install that
[22:33] <bazhang> the problem of chasing the latest versions , is that you will always have to do it manually once you start
[22:34] <Pinky> it talks about adding  repository ....
[22:35] <Pinky> so once you manual add something you will most likey have to always maualy update it ...
[22:36] <bazhang> once you go outside of the customary official repos, you lose support
[22:37] <IdleOne> iirc the .deb from vbox will add the proper repo from virtualbox and will update the packages from that repo when they are available.
[22:37] <bazhang> is there a seriously good reason to get the very newest version
[22:37] <IdleOne> probably not
[22:37] <Pinky> nope
[22:37] <Pinky> just playing around
[22:37] <bazhang> why not play around in a vbox
[22:38] <bazhang> to play around on your own system is not a good choice. like adding many 3rd party repos, or PPA
[22:39] <Pinky> found that out have to reload whole thing 3 x this year ..
[22:40] <Pinky> PPA ?
[22:41] <bazhang> !ppa
[23:04] <brianfalcon> hola espero aprender mucho de linux aqui
[23:06] <Pinky> thanks for all your help
[23:06] <bazhang> !es | brianfalcon
[23:07] <brianfalcon> ok muchas gracias
[23:07] <brianfalcon> #xubuntu-es
[23:28] <oelsen> hi
[23:29] <oelsen> well I have a stupid question. how do i install a new package but keep the old system?
[23:29] <oelsen> somehow i have the feeling I only can upgrade the whole system at once
[23:34] <moetunes> oelsen:  try  sudo  apt-get unstall <some package>   in a terminal
[23:35] <moetunes> oelsen:  try   sudo apt-get install <some package>   in a terminal
[23:35] <oelsen> it installs the same. i just did that before i asked
[23:36] <moetunes> try adding an update in there
[23:36] <moetunes> sudo apt-get update
[23:36] <oelsen> that should update the äh, ports? (I used freebsd before)
[23:37] <moetunes> yep it finds out if there are new packages in the repositories
[23:38] <moetunes> !repos
[23:46] <oelsen> thank you for the support. I'll try that tomorrow