[00:01] <bjsnider> you can have all the workspaces you need if you use gnome
[01:07] <fyksen> I have just installed 13.04. Everything is set up, but I can't change the mouse sensitivity under mouse settings. Just the Left/right and the toubbleclick
[01:10] <wilee-nilee> fyksen, I noticed the speed control is rather sensitive and only changes in the first milimeter of the left side.
[01:20] <johnjohn1011> i can't believe it's almost here
[01:29] <jackw> me too
[01:29] <jackw> cant wait for 13.04
[01:29] <jackw> i really want to the performance of Unity
[01:31] <johnjohn1011> wondering if they will port the new unity back to 12.04?
[01:39] <bjsnider> not a chance
[01:42] <bjsnider> small stuff can be backported, not big stuff
[01:47] <leolove> Hi
[01:47] <leolove> I need help with my wireless and 13.04
[01:47] <leolove> Ralink corp. RT5390 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe
[01:47] <leolove> It disconnects intermittently.
[01:47] <leolove> And restarting network-manager solves it.
[01:48] <leolove> It is not scanning network at the moment
[02:00] <bjsnider> i guess it disconnected again
[02:05] <Belial> anyone else think the appmenu looks kind of off with the nautilus 3.6.x?
[02:05] <Belial> or "files" 3.6.x
[02:05] <tyrog> me
[02:06] <Belial> that large space between the title of the app and the actual one button menu just doesn't look right.
[02:06] <Belial> nitpicky, sure. but it drives me nuts.
[02:07] <tyrog> Its the solution canonical chose. But I hope they come with something better for 13.10
[02:09] <tyrog> Belial: You can use alternative file managers if you dont like
[02:09] <Belial> i'm not sure if i'd go that far. but i actually did think about it.
[02:10] <tyrog> Yes. I can live with it too
[02:10] <blob4000> has anyone else lost the ability to open the About This Computer menu from the top right in 13.04?
[02:10] <blob4000> this is in Virtualbox, mind you
[02:10] <Belial> mine is working fine.
[02:10] <blob4000> nothing happens
[02:10] <blob4000> ok
[02:10] <tyrog> blob4000: mine too
[02:11] <blob4000> kk
[02:11] <blob4000> did you guys update from apt, or from iso?
[02:11] <blob4000> or fresh install?
[02:12] <tyrog> blob4000: fresh
[02:13] <wilee-nilee> blob4000, Have you tried logging out than back in or a reboot?
[02:15] <blob4000> wilee-nilee: yes,
[02:15] <blob4000> i'm going to be doing the update to 13.04 on hardware shortly, so i'll let you know if anything's reproducable that i can see
[02:19] <tyrog> blob4000: Wait for the announcement and upgrade notes
[02:22] <blob4000> tyrog: kk
[03:06] <blob4000> for those already running 13.04. impressions so far?
[03:06] <blob4000> stability, new features, speed
[03:06] <tyrog> blob4000: Faster to boot and shutdown
[03:07] <tyrog> Unity is faster than ever too. Stability is better than 12.10
[03:08] <Mneumonic> blob4000 I don't say this lightly.  Ubuntu 13.04 is the best version of Ubuntu that i've ever used.
[03:08] <Mneumonic> It's even more stable for me than 10.04 and 10.10 were
[03:08] <tyrog> If you are using or plan to use Unity, then 13.04 is the best you can get
[03:08] <Mneumonic> I've liked Unity since it was introduced but this is the first time that I can actually recommend it over other desktops
[03:09] <tyrog> Mneumonic: From my experience all desktops are stellar, except the GNOME edition, where I get internal problems
[03:10] <tyrog> popups
[03:10] <blob4000> Mneumonic & tyrog: wow, that's exciting :P
[03:10] <blob4000> I am a Unity user
[03:10] <Mneumonic> tyrog I don't doubt xu, ku and lu are all great.  12.10 xubuntu was amazing for me.
[03:10] <Mneumonic> blob4000 if you use Unity, 13.04 is a no brainer
[03:10] <Mneumonic> Unity is lightning fast
[03:10] <blob4000> cool- looking forward to it
[03:10] <tyrog> blob4000: MUCH improved from anything before it
[03:11] <blob4000> Mneumonic: did you install from apt, iso, or fresh?
[03:11] <Mneumonic> It's actually kinda weird, I've been running 13.04 for a week and had no issues at all.
[03:11] <blob4000> sorry i meant, update or fresh
[03:11] <tyrog> In my experience, much faster than gnome shell for example
[03:11] <Mneumonic> I installed from daily iso
[03:11] <blob4000> kk
[03:11] <blob4000> do you guys recommend update from iso over apt?
[03:11] <Mneumonic> I always recommend a fresh install instead of an upgrade
[03:12] <blob4000> mk
[03:12] <Mneumonic> In the past I've experienced some weird errors with upgrades
[03:12] <tyrog> Alt+tab transitions, speed to open Dash with Super/windows key, multitasking
[03:12] <blob4000> do you keep your home folder seperate?
[03:12] <Mneumonic> i don't.
[03:12] <tyrog> minimizing, maximizing, everything is smooth
[03:12] <blob4000> tyrog: nice
[03:13] <tyrog> blob4000: Fresh install is always better.
[03:13] <tyrog> 13.04 is a very good release so it deserves one anyway xD
[03:14] <blob4000> when you guys do a fresh install, do you backup your home folders elsewhere? or some other trick?
[03:14] <tyrog> Yep, backup home folder. Some people have a separate /home partition to prevent that
[03:16] <Mneumonic> I don't backup my home folder, but that's because I'm crazy
[03:16] <Mneumonic> I keep everything synced to dropbox/ubuntu one and blow everything off my hard drive
[03:17] <blob4000> right on guys,
[03:17] <blob4000> thanks for the tips!
[03:17] <tyrog> blob4000: I didn't mean you shouldn't upgrade. As long as you have your ubuntu 12.10 without crazy PPAs, upgrade route should be smooth
[03:17] <blob4000> yeah, it's also that i'm coming from 12.04,
[03:17] <blob4000> going to 12.10 was a bit of a bump
[03:17] <blob4000> so i might just go fresh
[03:17] <blob4000> i don't have all that much on that machine
[03:17] <tyrog> blob4000: There are reports of people using ubuntu upgraded for years without problems
[03:18] <blob4000> yeah true,
[03:18] <tyrog> for others, one upgrade makes the system unbootable. So YMMV, but if statistics count for you, most people upgrade just fine or with minor tweaks needed
[03:18] <blob4000> i don't really have the time to fiddle as much though, i can see that working for an ubuntu server or other window manager, but unity seems to get gummed up with updates
[03:18] <Mneumonic> For me it really comes down to this.  If it's not too inconvenient to do a fresh install, do one.
[03:18] <blob4000> yeah makes sense
[03:19] <tyrog> thats for sure
[03:19] <Mneumonic> oh blob4000, one more thing
[03:19] <Mneumonic> if you weren't already sold
[03:19] <Mneumonic> Ubuntu 13.04 is the linux distro that has gotten me nearly completely off of windows
[03:19] <blob4000> that's great to hear,
[03:19] <Mneumonic> My windows partition is literally a League of Legends and Defiance gaming OS
[03:19] <tyrog> 12.04 lts already did that for me
[03:19] <blob4000> i use Windows only when i absolutely have to, and that's becoming increasingly rare
[03:20] <blob4000> nice,
[03:20] <lotuspsychje> 12.10 64bit on a ssd did it for me
[03:20] <lotuspsychje> fast as rocket
[03:20] <Mneumonic> ha
[03:20] <Mneumonic> wow
[03:20] <Mneumonic> have you been to phoronix today?
[03:20] <tyrog> Mneumonic: try to run them with wine.
[03:20] <Mneumonic> They ran benchmarks of Manjaro linux (arch + XFCE) against Ubuntu 13.04....guess which one performed better
[03:21] <Belial> 6-2 ubuntu
[03:21] <tyrog> Wine has improved a lot over the years, to the point of running most dx9 games today
[03:21] <Mneumonic> yep
[03:21] <blob4000> wow!
[03:21] <Mneumonic> yea, I can run LoL in wine but I get an abysmal framerate.
[03:21] <blob4000> wine amazes me
[03:21] <Mneumonic> Defiance runs fine but my xbox 360 controller doesn't work in wine
[03:21] <lotuspsychje> and playonlinux package
[03:21] <lotuspsychje> and upcomming steam games
[03:21] <tyrog> oh yea, there is steam too
[03:22] <blob4000> i can't believe we already have Steam on linux, that seemed like such a quick process to go from announcement to release
[03:22] <Mneumonic> steam for linux is growing nicely
[03:22] <tyrog> Mneumonic: Ubuntu won the benchmark?
[03:22] <blob4000> ubuntu made that happen,
[03:22] <Mneumonic> tyrog yep.
[03:22] <tyrog> against Arch? wow!
[03:22] <lotuspsychje> check this out: http://www.alienware.com/ubuntu/
[03:23] <tyrog> blob4000: and windows 8 too. Thank you M$
[03:23] <Belial> doesn't surprise me. arch system may seem more responsive, but responsiveness doesn't always equal better performance.
[03:23] <Mneumonic> for example, Warsow:  Manjaro - 29.27, Ubuntu 13.04 = 32.23
[03:23] <tyrog> Mneumonic: Is that benchmark with Unity? Because they vary with each DE
[03:23] <Mneumonic> At first I thought Arch was really cool when I tried it....I quickly realized it isn't really any better.  It's just different....and less intuitive.
[03:23] <Mneumonic> tyrop yep, it's 13.04 out of the box with unity
[03:23] <Belial> which is the surprising part.
[03:24] <blob4000> tyrog: totally true. windows 8 is a disaster for them
[03:24] <Belial> unity outshining xfce.
[03:24] <blob4000> tyrog: but a blessing for us
[03:24] <tyrog> Belial: actually arch is very responsive. But Ubuntu has improved a lot since steam was released for it in the first place
[03:24] <Belial> definitely
[03:24] <blob4000> Mneumonic: agreed re: arch
[03:24] <Belial> i first ran arch back in 06
[03:24] <Belial> love it, but i don't have time to tinker with the system.
[03:24] <Mneumonic> Arch was too unstable for me.
[03:25] <tyrog> Unity outshining xfce is absolutely incredible. I think I will run my own benchmarks across the whole 13.04 family lol
[03:25] <Mneumonic> I know some users tell you that their arch install never breaks...mine was constantly breaking with updates
[03:25] <Belial> also, i don't like how they ditched their old installer in favor for scripts.
[03:25] <blob4000> when did the enforcement of longer passwords come along? 13.04?
[03:26] <Mneumonic> I should really just buy Defiance for my PS3 so I can make Ubuntu my only OS
[03:26] <tyrog> Mneumonic: Actually Manjaro is to Arch what Ubuntu was to Debian in the first place
[03:26] <Mneumonic> In Manjaro's defence, it has the most beautiful XFCE theme I've ever seen
[03:26] <tyrog> Manjaro is very good by all means. Surprises me more then seeing Unity beating Xfce
[03:26] <Belial> yeah, it's a good looking theme.
[03:27] <Belial> but the numix gtk theme is off the chain.
[03:27] <Mneumonic> omg, numix looks incredible.
[03:27] <Mneumonic> Can I use it with unity?
[03:27] <Belial> yeah
[03:27] <Belial> i've been using it.
[03:27] <Mneumonic> It works well with 13.04?
[03:27] <Belial> unity, gnome shell, xfce
[03:27] <blob4000> one thing i'm not clear on, when you update to a new release, let's say 13.04.. your ppas are out of date? like some of them are still expecting 'quantal' releases?
[03:27] <Belial> yep
[03:28] <tyrog> blob4000: Upgrade Manager disables them for you
[03:28] <blob4000> tyrog: but what if i want that software to stay up to date? i have to find a new ppa that supports raring?
[03:28] <tyrog> After the upgrade you need to re-add them
[03:28] <Mneumonic> I'm so anxious for 13.04 to release so I can do a fresh install
[03:29] <blob4000> tyrog: thanks ok
[03:29] <tyrog> Mneumonic: Me 2. Even considering I did a fresh install from the Monday daily lol
[03:29] <tyrog> blob4000: I dont have many PPAs. Just the ones strictly needed. So that's not a problem for me
[03:29] <Mneumonic> tyrog it's my OCD.  I just have to "know" that it's an install from the official release
[03:29] <Belial> Mneumonic, http://ubuntuone.com/47EOMnfN5bdILCL6AyIzhN
[03:30] <Mneumonic> Belial, that is beautiful
[03:30] <Mneumonic> that is actually one of the best themes I've ever seen
[03:30] <Belial> yeah, it's pretty damn sweet. easy on the eyes.
[03:31] <Mneumonic> i'm installing it now to test it in unity
[03:31] <Mneumonic> Is it wrong that I love the 13.04 ringtail wallpaper
[03:31] <Mneumonic> the purple one with the cartoon ringtail on it
[03:32] <Belial> it's not bad
[03:32] <Belial> i don't like the new version of purple salad.
[03:32] <tyrog> Belial: where is your Unity bar?
[03:32] <tyrog> xD
[03:32] <tyrog> hidden?
[03:32] <Belial> i autohide it
[03:32] <Mneumonic> omg
[03:32] <Mneumonic> blob4000 I forgot the best feature of 13.04
[03:33] <Mneumonic> They don't force you to have the workspace switcher on your unity panel
[03:33] <tyrog> I dont like autohide, enjoy always watching the icons right there xD
[03:33] <tyrog> Mneumonic: i enabled it myself anyway
[03:33] <Mneumonic> brb, gonna restart
[03:34] <tyrog> Belial: simple theme, I like it. Are you still doing adjustments?
[03:35] <blob4000> i wish i could get in the habit of using the workspace switcher more
[03:35] <Belial> oh, well the theme isn't by me.
[03:35] <tyrog> blob4000: the button, or the workspaces themselves?
[03:35] <blob4000> tyrog: both!
[03:36] <blob4000> i find that i'm often hunting for windows that are actually groupable, and should be on distinct workspaces
[03:36] <blob4000> i'm a real alt-tabber
[03:36] <Belial> http://ubuntuone.com/73E5sPSTNsNfyhb1jBHo7C there's one with the launcher
[03:36] <blob4000> i should get into the workspace keyboard shortcuts, because i prefer to work from the keyboard much more
[03:36] <tyrog> blob4000: They help you extend the desktop, giving you more area and also more organization
[03:37] <tyrog> When I do some heavy multitasking, I get easily confused if I don't use them
[03:37] <blob4000> Belial: that looks like a nice desktop :P
[03:37] <tyrog> blob4000: You just need to memorize the shortcuts table of Unity
[03:37] <tyrog> Then you are a Unity power-user xD
[03:37] <Belial> thanks, blob4000
[03:37] <Belial> i'm happy with it
[03:38] <blob4000> Belial: is that image resized, or what resolution monitor is that from?
[03:38] <Belial> it's a cheapo acer
[03:38] <Belial> 15.6in with a 1366x768 res
[03:38] <tyrog> Belial: Your desktop is "asking" for a Conky xD
[03:38] <Belial> it's two years old.
[03:38] <Belial> i would actually like a big conky clock
[03:38] <blob4000> oh here's a random quiz: favourite irc client when on unity?
[03:38] <Belial> i use xchat
[03:39] <blob4000> pidgin for me at the moment
[03:39] <Belial> Mneumonic, if you use firefox, then the fxchrome addon goes really well with that theme. http://ubuntuone.com/73E5sPSTNsNfyhb1jBHo7C
[03:39] <Mneumonic> tyrog...wow...numix <3
[03:40] <Mneumonic> Belial, I use chrome.  Chrome looks amazing in Numix
[03:40] <Belial> there is an actual numix theme for chrome.
[03:40] <Belial> but i haven't tried.
[03:41] <Belial> i don't use chrome mainly because the tab animations are really jerky in the linux version for some reason.
[03:41] <Mneumonic> trying the chrome theme now
[03:41] <Belial> stupid reason, but i'm really picky with that stuff.
[03:41] <tyrog> Belial: I use chromium lol
[03:41] <Belial> i think it did it for me with chromium too.
[03:41] <tyrog> Faster and Lighter than Firefox
[03:42] <Belial> every time i open a new tab, the animation is real choppy.
[03:42] <Mneumonic> wow, the chrome theme is awesome
[03:42] <tyrog> I don't care too much about those details too. I prefer smoothness in the browsing experience
[03:42] <Belial> i hear ya.
[03:43] <Belial> blob4000, speaking of chrome and irc, if you do use chrome, circ is a new irc client for chrome.
[03:43] <tyrog> Belial: For example, Firefox scrolling is very clunky for me
[03:43] <Belial> i disable smooth scrolling in firefox.
[03:43] <Belial> because it isn't as good as in chrome.
[03:44] <tyrog> yes, definitely
[03:44] <Belial> eventually, if i want to see flash at all i'll be forced to chrome.
[03:44] <Mneumonic> wow i just found hte "Unity Tweak Tool" In the software center.  This is awesome software
[03:44] <Belial> which won't be a big deal.
[03:45] <tyrog> Belial: I saw on the screenshot that your kernel is somewhat outdated. Any reason for that?
[03:45] <Belial> that was an old screenshot
[03:46] <tyrog> oh, ok
[03:46] <Belial> http://ubuntuone.com/3YiX0yka17mor8MxSV5Xsg
[03:46] <Belial> there we go
[03:47] <blob4000> nice!
[03:47] <blob4000> i'm surprised Unity doesn't come with more themes
[03:47] <tyrog> WOW. That theme is getting me crazy
[03:47] <tyrog> Are there variants?
[03:48] <blob4000> everyone wished Windows 8 would look like that...
[03:48] <blob4000> and not some bizarre half tablet thing
[03:48] <Belial> you can change the colors with the gtk color chooser
[03:48] <Belial> as far as the reddish highlights
[03:48] <tyrog> Windows 8 looks nice, looks aren't its problem imo
[03:49] <Belial> like to blue, etc.
[03:49] <Mneumonic> I have to be honest, Windows 8 surprised me
[03:49] <Belial> they're going to be releasing an icon theme soon too.
[03:49] <Mneumonic> It is the best version of Windows I've ever used
[03:49] <johnjohn1011> why aren't there more schemes for unity?
[03:49] <Mneumonic> however...they expect users to use key combinations for everything and find hidden menus...it is failing hard
[03:49] <johnjohn1011> you like windows 8?
[03:49] <Mneumonic> Yea, for performance it is amazing.
[03:49] <Mneumonic> For a Windows OS I mean
[03:49] <Belial> http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/092/2/4/numix___gtk3_theme_by_satya164-d5ygul6.jpg there's part of the icon theme
[03:49] <Belial> not released yet
[03:50] <Belial> and that's inside of gnome-shell.
[03:50] <Belial> windows 8 is definitely an improvement over windows 7.
[03:50] <johnjohn1011> Belial: nice
[03:50] <Belial> i like what they did with the desktop theme.
[03:50] <Belial> but i wasn't crazy about metro.
[03:50] <tyrog> Mneumonic: Windows 8 is very fast. But once you fullfill the hard drive, the usual array of trouble comes xD
[03:50] <Belial> mixing uis to me is kind of weird.
[03:51] <Belial> i like consistency.
[03:51] <Mneumonic> So do I, but I could tell from day 1 that Windows 8 would not catch on with casual users
[03:51] <johnjohn1011> yeah I tried to use windows 8 and it was having to learn all new paradigms for accessing data
[03:51] <Belial> i don't like how the modern interface uses fullscreen for everything.
[03:51] <tyrog> johnjohn1011: The same for Unity. Except Unity at least makes some sense for the desktop user i think
[03:51] <Belial> especially if you're using a big ass monitor with a high res.
[03:51] <Belial> why waste all that screen real estate?
[03:52] <johnjohn1011> i like unity. took about 3-4 weeks
[03:52] <Mneumonic> Windows 8 does a lot of things right....and some crucial things wrong
[03:52] <Belial> yeah unity grew on me
[03:52] <Belial> especially after 12.04
[03:52] <tyrog> Belial: That Snap feature with a Metro app + Win32 app is just ridiculous, sucks a lot
[03:52] <Belial> the dash + hud is an awesome combo
[03:52] <johnjohn1011> oh yeah it sucks
[03:52] <johnjohn1011> HUD is the best
[03:52] <tyrog> Actually "grow on you" is the best description I find for Unity
[03:52] <johnjohn1011> best part of unity imho
[03:53] <tyrog> In the beginning, it is VERY weird
[03:53] <Belial> yeah it's definitely different
[03:53] <Belial> i just wish they'd show the appmenu all the time
[03:53] <Belial> or have an option for it
[03:53] <Belial> doesn't make sense for it to hide
[03:53] <tyrog> For me that is ok
[03:53] <Mneumonic> Windows key + A goes to the app menu
[03:54] <Mneumonic> in unity
[03:54] <Belial> i mean the global menu
[03:54] <tyrog> Belial: that is an innovation. Definitely helps to gain space for the content of your programs
[03:55] <tyrog> Gnome shell could learn from this, instead they chose to create the Appmenu (cf. Nautilus)
[03:55] <Belial> i like having the global menu
[03:55] <Belial> i just want it to show all the time in the top panel
[03:55] <johnjohn1011> global menu needs to show all the time for noobs.
[03:55] <Belial> there's nothing else using that space.
[03:55] <tyrog> Belial: title bar?
[03:55] <johnjohn1011> not intuitive for new users if nothing is showing
[03:55] <Belial> ah yeah, i guess if everything were maximized.
[03:56] <tyrog> from a software design point-of-view, it must be very difficult to merge titlebar with the menus
[03:56] <Belial> maybe show it for unmaximized windows and hide it when they're maximized to display the titlebar.
[03:56] <Belial> kde has it down pretty good.
[03:56] <Belial> in 4.10
[03:56] <Belial> the button menu works for everything and anything.
[03:56] <Belial> qt, gtk
[03:57] <Mneumonic> So, any gamers in here?
[03:57] <Belial> or you can use it like unity does.
[03:57] <Mneumonic> if so, what games?
[03:57] <tyrog> KDE has grown very much on me lately too. I will have to decide between it and Unity
[03:57] <Belial> i'm somewhat a gamer.
[03:57] <Belial> but for some reason bumblebee isn't working for me right now.
[03:57] <johnjohn1011> i don't game, ever since ubuntu got rid of same-gnome   hee hee
[03:57] <tyrog> Belial: NVIDIA has released drivers that work with optimus
[03:57] <Belial> yeah, but they stay on all the time.
[03:58] <Belial> uses the nvidia card to display everything.
[03:58] <tyrog> Im talking about the 319-series beta
[03:58] <Belial> right
[03:58] <Belial> it never turns off the nvidia card.
[03:58] <Belial> so battery life is still terrible.
[03:58] <tyrog> lol
[03:58] <Belial> but it's a step in the right direction.
[03:58] <tyrog> so what is the point?
[03:58] <tyrog> In windows you can choose
[03:58] <tyrog> app by app
[03:58] <Belial> yeah
[03:58] <Belial> they're getting there
[03:58] <johnjohn1011> when are they ever going to open source all that? it's about time
[03:58] <tyrog> what you want to use one, or the other
[03:59] <tyrog> johnjohn1011: NVIDIA? Not a single line of code
[03:59] <Belial> there's been a lot of progress since valve jumped on the linux wagon.
[03:59] <tyrog> Nouveau is reverse-engineered
[03:59] <johnjohn1011> yeah but it's still far behind
[03:59] <Belial> yeah the opensource drivers are pretty bad for gaming.
[04:00] <tyrog> Because it is reverse engineered
[04:00] <Belial> even the radeon drivers.
[04:00] <tyrog> NVIDIA doesn't care, doesn't want to help
[04:00] <johnjohn1011> you figure with the china market, they wouid want everyone to use the graphics
[04:00] <johnjohn1011> ubuntu china release
[04:01] <tyrog> Belial: Depends on the card. Older cards perform better
[04:01] <tyrog> The ones that AMD already dropped officially
[04:01] <Belial> ah
[04:02] <Belial> i haven't had an amd/ati card since the x850 pro
[04:02] <Belial> 256mb
[04:02] <Belial> awesome card.
[04:03] <Belial> i think i was choking it with my cpu though
[04:04] <Belial> all i had was a p4 2.8C northwood
[04:04] <Belial> i think at the time an amd athlon64 would have pushed it a bit better.
[04:04] <johnjohn1011> ha
[04:04] <Belial> the "c" series northwoods were good cpus though
[04:04] <Belial> they were made to compete with athlonxps
[04:05] <Belial> then they went to prescott after the northwood c
[04:05] <Belial> which was garbage.
[04:06] <johnjohn1011> so steam runs better on nvidia?
[04:06] <Belial> i don't know. i imagine in linux it does.
[04:06] <Belial> but on windows it all depends on the card.
[04:07] <Belial> i know they were able to get more performance out of l4d2 in linux than on windows with an nvidia card.
[04:07] <Belial> i think it was l4d2.
[04:08] <blob4000> yep
[04:08] <johnjohn1011> going to be a royal mess when wayland/mir come out
[04:10] <Mneumonic> i'm hoping nvidia even decides to support wayland or mir
[04:10] <johnjohn1011> have they considered balking?
[04:13] <Belial> i'm thinking nvidia is going to support mir.
[04:13] <Belial> especially since the next lts is going to be with mir and valve is only focusing mainly on lts releases.
[04:14] <blob4000> when did ubuntu start enforcing longer passwords for user accounts?
[04:15] <johnjohn1011> i still use password as my password
[04:31] <blob4000> johnjohn1011 haha
[04:43] <roxan> :D out yet ?
[05:02] <sebsebseb> hi
[05:05] <Mneumonic> hi sebsebseb
[05:05] <sebsebseb> Mneumonic: hi
[05:27] <blob4000> ok guys, well i took the plunge early, and installed 13.04..... and it's amazing!
[05:27] <blob4000> it's so much faster
[05:29] <dom134> Is it out on general release yet?
[05:35] <Tex_Nick> dom134:  I think final release is scheduled for April 25
[05:36] <blob4000> dom134: no
[05:36] <blob4000> i just updated early :P
[05:37] <dom134> thanks, will update soonest
[05:48] <N1031982> What time is the release os 13.04 and in what time zone?
[05:53] <pskeshu> Hi, I'm using Ubuntu 13.04, and I'm unable to connect to my campus wifi
[05:53] <pskeshu> with PEAP and MSCHAP
[05:54] <pskeshu> can someone help me?
[05:56] <vanishing> hi guys
[05:57] <vanishing> has raring been released?
[07:18] <lucidfox> So at what time (UTC) will Raring be considered officially released?
[07:20] <valorie> once it's out
[07:20] <valorie> !raring
[07:21] <valorie> huh
[07:21] <valorie> helpful
[07:21] <OerHeks> you are in the right place to ask, but i don't know
[07:22] <valorie> based on past experience, they flip the switch when they are ready
[07:22] <valorie> on 10.10.10 they wanted it at 10
[07:22] <valorie> I don't think they made it though
[07:24] <lucidfox> hah
[07:24] <elmargol> lucidfox, https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-announce subscribe and you know
[07:24] <lucidfox> at 10:10:10?
[07:25] <valorie> not sure how recursive they got
[07:38] <Ergo^> is it out yet? :PP
[07:39] <OerHeks> If you cannot download it, it is not.
[07:41] <Ergo^> it wasnt a serious question ;-)
[07:41] <Ergo^> but im kind of surprised there is no countdown timer on ubuntu.com
[07:46] <yeehi> At what time today is Raring released?
[07:48] <valorie> heh
[07:48] <valorie> when it's ready
[07:48] <OerHeks> Yes.
[07:48] <valorie> time to leave this chan for me, I think
[07:48] <valorie> have fun
[07:57] <bazhang> !info systemd
[08:01] <Ergo^> yeehi: ubuntu usually gets releases about 17 my time
[08:01] <Ergo^> which is about 7h from now
[08:02] <lucidfox> And your time is?
[08:02] <lucidfox> oh
[08:03] <yeehi> what is your time zone, Ergo^
[08:03] <Ergo^> gmt+1
[08:06] <pk___> so.. is final release on schedule?
[08:08] <pk___> if so, where will it hit first?
[08:12] <bhavesh> Should I upgrade to Ubuntu 13.04 from Ubuntu 12.04.2 LTS with Cinnamon (If I don't care about unity)?
[08:13] <bazhang> bhavesh, what does cinnamon have to do with it
[08:13] <bhavesh> bazhang, Most of the upgrades in Ubuntu 13.04 are related to unity..
[08:13] <bhavesh> so should I upgrade if I won't be using unity?
[08:14] <bazhang> bhavesh, thats entirely your decision
[08:14] <bhavesh> I am asking for an advice, lol
[08:14] <bazhang> to simplify it to its only about unity, is a mistake
[08:15] <bazhang> its waaaay more than unity bhavesh
[08:15] <yeehi> i have raring daily build updated, is it a good idea to reinstall using the gold release that comes out today?
[08:15] <bazhang> !final | yeehi
[08:15] <bazhang> yeehi, if you want really slow servers, then yes
[08:15] <bhavesh> bazhang, kay
[08:15] <yeehi> thank, bazhang!
[08:15] <bhavesh> I will have to do a fresh install, or upgrade to 12.10 first :(
[08:16] <bazhang> ubottu, slow
[08:16] <yeehi> will i get all the nice wallpaper and splash screens and everything just by a sudo apt-get update, bazhang?
[08:16] <bazhang> yeehi, well that and what is mentioned above, yeah
[08:17] <yeehi> thank you bazhang, i just wanted to confirm
[08:17] <bazhang> np
[08:17] <bhavesh> Waiting for two years for next LTS release is quite hard
[08:17] <bazhang> you'll hit final before anyone else
[08:17] <bhavesh> ill upgrade to Ubuntu 12.10 right now :)
[08:17] <bhavesh> final?
[08:18] <bazhang> bhavesh, why not just use the raring install to preserve /home
[08:19] <maxb> Today is pretty much the worst possible day to be upgrading things. The archive mirrors will be under exceptional load as everyone tries to do it
[08:20] <bazhang> unless you like that sort of thing, which some seem to
[08:21]  * bhavesh_ fixes DSL cable
[08:23] <bhavesh> I still cannot decide if I should use 12.04 or 13.04 :(
[08:34] <pk___> !torrents
[08:34] <lucidfox> Use 13.04
[08:35] <lucidfox> I'd say
[08:37] <Ergo^> if it will be usable
[08:37] <Ergo^> 12.10 was a mess
[08:44] <Atlantic777> Ergo^: I'm using 13.04 for about 3 months and it works great. :)
[08:45] <Ergo^> 12.04 and 12.10 were ugly mess, all kinds of errors popped in and crash reports
[08:45] <Ergo^> hopefully 13.04 is ok in this regard
[08:46] <k1l_> Ergo^: they changed it to report every error with apport. that doesnt mean its more unstable then before
[08:47] <Atlantic777> Yup, I've got two machines (laptop and desktop), the same setup, similar hardware, installed 12.04 the same day and on laptop it works great and I still have troubless on desktop.
[08:47] <Atlantic777> And I'm talking about those annoying random bug reports and "system crashes".
[08:52] <pk___> ooh! torrents are up!
[08:52] <pk___> http://torrent.ubuntu.com/simple/raring/desktop/ubuntu-13.04-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[08:53] <pk___> and also isos
[09:20] <Ergo^> pk___: the links can change - like they changed in past multiple times
[09:21] <pk___> if there's some last second bug and they have to make new builds ?
[09:23] <Ergo^> pk___: nah ;-) the torrents may just lead to some previous rc build
[09:23] <Ergo^> lat time it was like this
[09:23] <Ergo^> checksums changed
[09:24] <Ergo^> its way too late to do any changes in the image itself :]
[09:24] <k1l_> just wait for the official release. thats it
[09:24] <pk___> well the isos are there as well
[09:25] <Ergo^> exactly
[09:25] <Ergo^> pk___: ok not the checksums
[09:25] <Ergo^> and check them after announcment
[09:25] <Ergo^> there is 90% of chance they will be different
[09:25] <Ergo^> i know everything is there
[09:25] <Ergo^> its like this eevery year and people get banned for posting links to that
[09:25] <Ergo^> :-)
[09:25] <pk___> oops.
[09:25] <pk___> :)
[09:26] <Ergo^> maybe they released everything earlier
[09:26] <Ergo^> but i doubt
[20:12] <pedor>  anyone saw mark stepping back about rolling release? http://www.markshuttleworth.com/
[20:12] <pedor> that's not the link, this is the correct one: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1252
[20:50] <k1l> pedor: i dont see news about rolling or not rolling in that
[20:54] <ethang> I upgraded kubuntu to 13.04 and now my desktop is gone.  Perfect login screen, asks for my KDE Wallet password just fine, even opens Skype, but no desktop.  Just blackness.
[20:55] <ethang> any ideas?
[20:56] <pedor> ethang: I had the same problem... but I had tomatoid installed without the dependencies. it was a fresh install?
[20:56] <ethang> no, upgrade from 12.10
[20:57] <pedor> kubuntu? or ubuntu + kde?
[20:58] <ethang> kubuntu
[20:59] <pedor> :/ I have no idea, but try sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[20:59] <pedor> you can open krunner, right/
[21:00] <ethang> pedor: krunner?
[21:00] <pedor> alt+F2
[21:00] <ethang> I'll try
[21:00] <ethang> yes
[21:01] <pedor> alt+F2 and tipe konsole
[21:01] <pedor> *type
[21:01] <ethang> it's open
[21:01] <ethang> kewl
[21:01] <pedor> so: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[21:02] <ethang> working...
[21:03] <ethang> it's just updating some mysql stuff
[21:05] <pedor> hm, I don't think it will help. it seems more people are facing this after an upgrade...
[21:09] <pedor> ethang: try this: startx
[21:10] <k1l> no, dont startx
[21:10] <k1l> start the *dm, like lightdm (or the thing that kubuntu uses)
[21:13] <k1l> ethang: take a look into .xsession-errors
[21:13] <k1l> ethang: and you can ask in #kubuntu since 13.04 is released now :)
[22:37] <sebsebseb>