| bjsnider | you can have all the workspaces you need if you use gnome | 00:01 |
|---|---|---|
| fyksen | I have just installed 13.04. Everything is set up, but I can't change the mouse sensitivity under mouse settings. Just the Left/right and the toubbleclick | 01:07 |
| wilee-nilee | fyksen, I noticed the speed control is rather sensitive and only changes in the first milimeter of the left side. | 01:10 |
| johnjohn1011 | i can't believe it's almost here | 01:20 |
| jackw | me too | 01:29 |
| jackw | cant wait for 13.04 | 01:29 |
| jackw | i really want to the performance of Unity | 01:29 |
| johnjohn1011 | wondering if they will port the new unity back to 12.04? | 01:31 |
| bjsnider | not a chance | 01:39 |
| bjsnider | small stuff can be backported, not big stuff | 01:42 |
| leolove | Hi | 01:47 |
| leolove | I need help with my wireless and 13.04 | 01:47 |
| leolove | Ralink corp. RT5390 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe | 01:47 |
| leolove | It disconnects intermittently. | 01:47 |
| leolove | And restarting network-manager solves it. | 01:47 |
| leolove | It is not scanning network at the moment | 01:48 |
| bjsnider | i guess it disconnected again | 02:00 |
| Belial | anyone else think the appmenu looks kind of off with the nautilus 3.6.x? | 02:05 |
| Belial | or "files" 3.6.x | 02:05 |
| tyrog | me | 02:05 |
| Belial | that large space between the title of the app and the actual one button menu just doesn't look right. | 02:06 |
| Belial | nitpicky, sure. but it drives me nuts. | 02:06 |
| tyrog | Its the solution canonical chose. But I hope they come with something better for 13.10 | 02:07 |
| tyrog | Belial: You can use alternative file managers if you dont like | 02:09 |
| Belial | i'm not sure if i'd go that far. but i actually did think about it. | 02:09 |
| tyrog | Yes. I can live with it too | 02:10 |
| blob4000 | has anyone else lost the ability to open the About This Computer menu from the top right in 13.04? | 02:10 |
| blob4000 | this is in Virtualbox, mind you | 02:10 |
| Belial | mine is working fine. | 02:10 |
| blob4000 | nothing happens | 02:10 |
| blob4000 | ok | 02:10 |
| tyrog | blob4000: mine too | 02:10 |
| blob4000 | kk | 02:11 |
| blob4000 | did you guys update from apt, or from iso? | 02:11 |
| blob4000 | or fresh install? | 02:11 |
| tyrog | blob4000: fresh | 02:12 |
| wilee-nilee | blob4000, Have you tried logging out than back in or a reboot? | 02:13 |
| === Jikan is now known as Jikai | ||
| blob4000 | wilee-nilee: yes, | 02:15 |
| blob4000 | i'm going to be doing the update to 13.04 on hardware shortly, so i'll let you know if anything's reproducable that i can see | 02:15 |
| tyrog | blob4000: Wait for the announcement and upgrade notes | 02:19 |
| === Jikai is now known as Jikan | ||
| blob4000 | tyrog: kk | 02:22 |
| blob4000 | for those already running 13.04. impressions so far? | 03:06 |
| blob4000 | stability, new features, speed | 03:06 |
| tyrog | blob4000: Faster to boot and shutdown | 03:06 |
| tyrog | Unity is faster than ever too. Stability is better than 12.10 | 03:07 |
| Mneumonic | blob4000 I don't say this lightly. Ubuntu 13.04 is the best version of Ubuntu that i've ever used. | 03:08 |
| Mneumonic | It's even more stable for me than 10.04 and 10.10 were | 03:08 |
| tyrog | If you are using or plan to use Unity, then 13.04 is the best you can get | 03:08 |
| Mneumonic | I've liked Unity since it was introduced but this is the first time that I can actually recommend it over other desktops | 03:08 |
| tyrog | Mneumonic: From my experience all desktops are stellar, except the GNOME edition, where I get internal problems | 03:09 |
| tyrog | popups | 03:10 |
| blob4000 | Mneumonic & tyrog: wow, that's exciting :P | 03:10 |
| blob4000 | I am a Unity user | 03:10 |
| Mneumonic | tyrog I don't doubt xu, ku and lu are all great. 12.10 xubuntu was amazing for me. | 03:10 |
| Mneumonic | blob4000 if you use Unity, 13.04 is a no brainer | 03:10 |
| Mneumonic | Unity is lightning fast | 03:10 |
| blob4000 | cool- looking forward to it | 03:10 |
| tyrog | blob4000: MUCH improved from anything before it | 03:10 |
| blob4000 | Mneumonic: did you install from apt, iso, or fresh? | 03:11 |
| Mneumonic | It's actually kinda weird, I've been running 13.04 for a week and had no issues at all. | 03:11 |
| blob4000 | sorry i meant, update or fresh | 03:11 |
| tyrog | In my experience, much faster than gnome shell for example | 03:11 |
| Mneumonic | I installed from daily iso | 03:11 |
| blob4000 | kk | 03:11 |
| blob4000 | do you guys recommend update from iso over apt? | 03:11 |
| Mneumonic | I always recommend a fresh install instead of an upgrade | 03:11 |
| blob4000 | mk | 03:12 |
| Mneumonic | In the past I've experienced some weird errors with upgrades | 03:12 |
| tyrog | Alt+tab transitions, speed to open Dash with Super/windows key, multitasking | 03:12 |
| blob4000 | do you keep your home folder seperate? | 03:12 |
| Mneumonic | i don't. | 03:12 |
| tyrog | minimizing, maximizing, everything is smooth | 03:12 |
| blob4000 | tyrog: nice | 03:12 |
| tyrog | blob4000: Fresh install is always better. | 03:13 |
| tyrog | 13.04 is a very good release so it deserves one anyway xD | 03:13 |
| blob4000 | when you guys do a fresh install, do you backup your home folders elsewhere? or some other trick? | 03:14 |
| tyrog | Yep, backup home folder. Some people have a separate /home partition to prevent that | 03:14 |
| Mneumonic | I don't backup my home folder, but that's because I'm crazy | 03:16 |
| Mneumonic | I keep everything synced to dropbox/ubuntu one and blow everything off my hard drive | 03:16 |
| blob4000 | right on guys, | 03:17 |
| blob4000 | thanks for the tips! | 03:17 |
| tyrog | blob4000: I didn't mean you shouldn't upgrade. As long as you have your ubuntu 12.10 without crazy PPAs, upgrade route should be smooth | 03:17 |
| blob4000 | yeah, it's also that i'm coming from 12.04, | 03:17 |
| blob4000 | going to 12.10 was a bit of a bump | 03:17 |
| blob4000 | so i might just go fresh | 03:17 |
| blob4000 | i don't have all that much on that machine | 03:17 |
| tyrog | blob4000: There are reports of people using ubuntu upgraded for years without problems | 03:17 |
| blob4000 | yeah true, | 03:18 |
| tyrog | for others, one upgrade makes the system unbootable. So YMMV, but if statistics count for you, most people upgrade just fine or with minor tweaks needed | 03:18 |
| blob4000 | i don't really have the time to fiddle as much though, i can see that working for an ubuntu server or other window manager, but unity seems to get gummed up with updates | 03:18 |
| Mneumonic | For me it really comes down to this. If it's not too inconvenient to do a fresh install, do one. | 03:18 |
| blob4000 | yeah makes sense | 03:18 |
| tyrog | thats for sure | 03:19 |
| Mneumonic | oh blob4000, one more thing | 03:19 |
| Mneumonic | if you weren't already sold | 03:19 |
| Mneumonic | Ubuntu 13.04 is the linux distro that has gotten me nearly completely off of windows | 03:19 |
| blob4000 | that's great to hear, | 03:19 |
| Mneumonic | My windows partition is literally a League of Legends and Defiance gaming OS | 03:19 |
| tyrog | 12.04 lts already did that for me | 03:19 |
| blob4000 | i use Windows only when i absolutely have to, and that's becoming increasingly rare | 03:19 |
| blob4000 | nice, | 03:20 |
| lotuspsychje | 12.10 64bit on a ssd did it for me | 03:20 |
| lotuspsychje | fast as rocket | 03:20 |
| Mneumonic | ha | 03:20 |
| Mneumonic | wow | 03:20 |
| Mneumonic | have you been to phoronix today? | 03:20 |
| tyrog | Mneumonic: try to run them with wine. | 03:20 |
| Mneumonic | They ran benchmarks of Manjaro linux (arch + XFCE) against Ubuntu 13.04....guess which one performed better | 03:20 |
| Belial | 6-2 ubuntu | 03:21 |
| tyrog | Wine has improved a lot over the years, to the point of running most dx9 games today | 03:21 |
| Mneumonic | yep | 03:21 |
| blob4000 | wow! | 03:21 |
| Mneumonic | yea, I can run LoL in wine but I get an abysmal framerate. | 03:21 |
| blob4000 | wine amazes me | 03:21 |
| Mneumonic | Defiance runs fine but my xbox 360 controller doesn't work in wine | 03:21 |
| lotuspsychje | and playonlinux package | 03:21 |
| lotuspsychje | and upcomming steam games | 03:21 |
| tyrog | oh yea, there is steam too | 03:21 |
| blob4000 | i can't believe we already have Steam on linux, that seemed like such a quick process to go from announcement to release | 03:22 |
| Mneumonic | steam for linux is growing nicely | 03:22 |
| tyrog | Mneumonic: Ubuntu won the benchmark? | 03:22 |
| blob4000 | ubuntu made that happen, | 03:22 |
| Mneumonic | tyrog yep. | 03:22 |
| tyrog | against Arch? wow! | 03:22 |
| lotuspsychje | check this out: http://www.alienware.com/ubuntu/ | 03:22 |
| tyrog | blob4000: and windows 8 too. Thank you M$ | 03:23 |
| Belial | doesn't surprise me. arch system may seem more responsive, but responsiveness doesn't always equal better performance. | 03:23 |
| Mneumonic | for example, Warsow: Manjaro - 29.27, Ubuntu 13.04 = 32.23 | 03:23 |
| tyrog | Mneumonic: Is that benchmark with Unity? Because they vary with each DE | 03:23 |
| Mneumonic | At first I thought Arch was really cool when I tried it....I quickly realized it isn't really any better. It's just different....and less intuitive. | 03:23 |
| Mneumonic | tyrop yep, it's 13.04 out of the box with unity | 03:23 |
| Belial | which is the surprising part. | 03:23 |
| blob4000 | tyrog: totally true. windows 8 is a disaster for them | 03:24 |
| Belial | unity outshining xfce. | 03:24 |
| blob4000 | tyrog: but a blessing for us | 03:24 |
| tyrog | Belial: actually arch is very responsive. But Ubuntu has improved a lot since steam was released for it in the first place | 03:24 |
| Belial | definitely | 03:24 |
| blob4000 | Mneumonic: agreed re: arch | 03:24 |
| Belial | i first ran arch back in 06 | 03:24 |
| Belial | love it, but i don't have time to tinker with the system. | 03:24 |
| Mneumonic | Arch was too unstable for me. | 03:24 |
| tyrog | Unity outshining xfce is absolutely incredible. I think I will run my own benchmarks across the whole 13.04 family lol | 03:25 |
| Mneumonic | I know some users tell you that their arch install never breaks...mine was constantly breaking with updates | 03:25 |
| Belial | also, i don't like how they ditched their old installer in favor for scripts. | 03:25 |
| blob4000 | when did the enforcement of longer passwords come along? 13.04? | 03:25 |
| Mneumonic | I should really just buy Defiance for my PS3 so I can make Ubuntu my only OS | 03:26 |
| tyrog | Mneumonic: Actually Manjaro is to Arch what Ubuntu was to Debian in the first place | 03:26 |
| Mneumonic | In Manjaro's defence, it has the most beautiful XFCE theme I've ever seen | 03:26 |
| tyrog | Manjaro is very good by all means. Surprises me more then seeing Unity beating Xfce | 03:26 |
| Belial | yeah, it's a good looking theme. | 03:26 |
| Belial | but the numix gtk theme is off the chain. | 03:27 |
| Mneumonic | omg, numix looks incredible. | 03:27 |
| Mneumonic | Can I use it with unity? | 03:27 |
| Belial | yeah | 03:27 |
| Belial | i've been using it. | 03:27 |
| Mneumonic | It works well with 13.04? | 03:27 |
| Belial | unity, gnome shell, xfce | 03:27 |
| blob4000 | one thing i'm not clear on, when you update to a new release, let's say 13.04.. your ppas are out of date? like some of them are still expecting 'quantal' releases? | 03:27 |
| Belial | yep | 03:27 |
| tyrog | blob4000: Upgrade Manager disables them for you | 03:28 |
| blob4000 | tyrog: but what if i want that software to stay up to date? i have to find a new ppa that supports raring? | 03:28 |
| tyrog | After the upgrade you need to re-add them | 03:28 |
| Mneumonic | I'm so anxious for 13.04 to release so I can do a fresh install | 03:28 |
| blob4000 | tyrog: thanks ok | 03:29 |
| tyrog | Mneumonic: Me 2. Even considering I did a fresh install from the Monday daily lol | 03:29 |
| tyrog | blob4000: I dont have many PPAs. Just the ones strictly needed. So that's not a problem for me | 03:29 |
| Mneumonic | tyrog it's my OCD. I just have to "know" that it's an install from the official release | 03:29 |
| Belial | Mneumonic, http://ubuntuone.com/47EOMnfN5bdILCL6AyIzhN | 03:29 |
| Mneumonic | Belial, that is beautiful | 03:30 |
| Mneumonic | that is actually one of the best themes I've ever seen | 03:30 |
| Belial | yeah, it's pretty damn sweet. easy on the eyes. | 03:30 |
| Mneumonic | i'm installing it now to test it in unity | 03:31 |
| Mneumonic | Is it wrong that I love the 13.04 ringtail wallpaper | 03:31 |
| Mneumonic | the purple one with the cartoon ringtail on it | 03:31 |
| Belial | it's not bad | 03:32 |
| Belial | i don't like the new version of purple salad. | 03:32 |
| tyrog | Belial: where is your Unity bar? | 03:32 |
| tyrog | xD | 03:32 |
| tyrog | hidden? | 03:32 |
| Belial | i autohide it | 03:32 |
| Mneumonic | omg | 03:32 |
| Mneumonic | blob4000 I forgot the best feature of 13.04 | 03:32 |
| Mneumonic | They don't force you to have the workspace switcher on your unity panel | 03:33 |
| tyrog | I dont like autohide, enjoy always watching the icons right there xD | 03:33 |
| tyrog | Mneumonic: i enabled it myself anyway | 03:33 |
| Mneumonic | brb, gonna restart | 03:33 |
| tyrog | Belial: simple theme, I like it. Are you still doing adjustments? | 03:34 |
| blob4000 | i wish i could get in the habit of using the workspace switcher more | 03:35 |
| Belial | oh, well the theme isn't by me. | 03:35 |
| tyrog | blob4000: the button, or the workspaces themselves? | 03:35 |
| blob4000 | tyrog: both! | 03:35 |
| blob4000 | i find that i'm often hunting for windows that are actually groupable, and should be on distinct workspaces | 03:36 |
| blob4000 | i'm a real alt-tabber | 03:36 |
| Belial | http://ubuntuone.com/73E5sPSTNsNfyhb1jBHo7C there's one with the launcher | 03:36 |
| blob4000 | i should get into the workspace keyboard shortcuts, because i prefer to work from the keyboard much more | 03:36 |
| tyrog | blob4000: They help you extend the desktop, giving you more area and also more organization | 03:36 |
| tyrog | When I do some heavy multitasking, I get easily confused if I don't use them | 03:37 |
| blob4000 | Belial: that looks like a nice desktop :P | 03:37 |
| tyrog | blob4000: You just need to memorize the shortcuts table of Unity | 03:37 |
| tyrog | Then you are a Unity power-user xD | 03:37 |
| Belial | thanks, blob4000 | 03:37 |
| Belial | i'm happy with it | 03:37 |
| blob4000 | Belial: is that image resized, or what resolution monitor is that from? | 03:38 |
| Belial | it's a cheapo acer | 03:38 |
| Belial | 15.6in with a 1366x768 res | 03:38 |
| tyrog | Belial: Your desktop is "asking" for a Conky xD | 03:38 |
| Belial | it's two years old. | 03:38 |
| Belial | i would actually like a big conky clock | 03:38 |
| blob4000 | oh here's a random quiz: favourite irc client when on unity? | 03:38 |
| Belial | i use xchat | 03:38 |
| blob4000 | pidgin for me at the moment | 03:39 |
| Belial | Mneumonic, if you use firefox, then the fxchrome addon goes really well with that theme. http://ubuntuone.com/73E5sPSTNsNfyhb1jBHo7C | 03:39 |
| Mneumonic | tyrog...wow...numix <3 | 03:39 |
| Mneumonic | Belial, I use chrome. Chrome looks amazing in Numix | 03:40 |
| Belial | there is an actual numix theme for chrome. | 03:40 |
| Belial | but i haven't tried. | 03:40 |
| Belial | i don't use chrome mainly because the tab animations are really jerky in the linux version for some reason. | 03:41 |
| Mneumonic | trying the chrome theme now | 03:41 |
| Belial | stupid reason, but i'm really picky with that stuff. | 03:41 |
| tyrog | Belial: I use chromium lol | 03:41 |
| Belial | i think it did it for me with chromium too. | 03:41 |
| tyrog | Faster and Lighter than Firefox | 03:41 |
| Belial | every time i open a new tab, the animation is real choppy. | 03:42 |
| Mneumonic | wow, the chrome theme is awesome | 03:42 |
| tyrog | I don't care too much about those details too. I prefer smoothness in the browsing experience | 03:42 |
| Belial | i hear ya. | 03:42 |
| Belial | blob4000, speaking of chrome and irc, if you do use chrome, circ is a new irc client for chrome. | 03:43 |
| tyrog | Belial: For example, Firefox scrolling is very clunky for me | 03:43 |
| Belial | i disable smooth scrolling in firefox. | 03:43 |
| Belial | because it isn't as good as in chrome. | 03:43 |
| tyrog | yes, definitely | 03:44 |
| Belial | eventually, if i want to see flash at all i'll be forced to chrome. | 03:44 |
| Mneumonic | wow i just found hte "Unity Tweak Tool" In the software center. This is awesome software | 03:44 |
| Belial | which won't be a big deal. | 03:44 |
| tyrog | Belial: I saw on the screenshot that your kernel is somewhat outdated. Any reason for that? | 03:45 |
| Belial | that was an old screenshot | 03:45 |
| tyrog | oh, ok | 03:46 |
| Belial | http://ubuntuone.com/3YiX0yka17mor8MxSV5Xsg | 03:46 |
| Belial | there we go | 03:46 |
| blob4000 | nice! | 03:47 |
| blob4000 | i'm surprised Unity doesn't come with more themes | 03:47 |
| tyrog | WOW. That theme is getting me crazy | 03:47 |
| tyrog | Are there variants? | 03:47 |
| blob4000 | everyone wished Windows 8 would look like that... | 03:48 |
| blob4000 | and not some bizarre half tablet thing | 03:48 |
| Belial | you can change the colors with the gtk color chooser | 03:48 |
| Belial | as far as the reddish highlights | 03:48 |
| tyrog | Windows 8 looks nice, looks aren't its problem imo | 03:48 |
| Belial | like to blue, etc. | 03:49 |
| Mneumonic | I have to be honest, Windows 8 surprised me | 03:49 |
| Belial | they're going to be releasing an icon theme soon too. | 03:49 |
| Mneumonic | It is the best version of Windows I've ever used | 03:49 |
| johnjohn1011 | why aren't there more schemes for unity? | 03:49 |
| Mneumonic | however...they expect users to use key combinations for everything and find hidden menus...it is failing hard | 03:49 |
| johnjohn1011 | you like windows 8? | 03:49 |
| Mneumonic | Yea, for performance it is amazing. | 03:49 |
| Mneumonic | For a Windows OS I mean | 03:49 |
| Belial | http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/092/2/4/numix___gtk3_theme_by_satya164-d5ygul6.jpg there's part of the icon theme | 03:49 |
| Belial | not released yet | 03:49 |
| Belial | and that's inside of gnome-shell. | 03:50 |
| Belial | windows 8 is definitely an improvement over windows 7. | 03:50 |
| johnjohn1011 | Belial: nice | 03:50 |
| Belial | i like what they did with the desktop theme. | 03:50 |
| Belial | but i wasn't crazy about metro. | 03:50 |
| tyrog | Mneumonic: Windows 8 is very fast. But once you fullfill the hard drive, the usual array of trouble comes xD | 03:50 |
| Belial | mixing uis to me is kind of weird. | 03:50 |
| Belial | i like consistency. | 03:51 |
| Mneumonic | So do I, but I could tell from day 1 that Windows 8 would not catch on with casual users | 03:51 |
| johnjohn1011 | yeah I tried to use windows 8 and it was having to learn all new paradigms for accessing data | 03:51 |
| Belial | i don't like how the modern interface uses fullscreen for everything. | 03:51 |
| tyrog | johnjohn1011: The same for Unity. Except Unity at least makes some sense for the desktop user i think | 03:51 |
| Belial | especially if you're using a big ass monitor with a high res. | 03:51 |
| Belial | why waste all that screen real estate? | 03:51 |
| johnjohn1011 | i like unity. took about 3-4 weeks | 03:52 |
| Mneumonic | Windows 8 does a lot of things right....and some crucial things wrong | 03:52 |
| Belial | yeah unity grew on me | 03:52 |
| Belial | especially after 12.04 | 03:52 |
| tyrog | Belial: That Snap feature with a Metro app + Win32 app is just ridiculous, sucks a lot | 03:52 |
| Belial | the dash + hud is an awesome combo | 03:52 |
| johnjohn1011 | oh yeah it sucks | 03:52 |
| johnjohn1011 | HUD is the best | 03:52 |
| tyrog | Actually "grow on you" is the best description I find for Unity | 03:52 |
| johnjohn1011 | best part of unity imho | 03:52 |
| tyrog | In the beginning, it is VERY weird | 03:53 |
| Belial | yeah it's definitely different | 03:53 |
| Belial | i just wish they'd show the appmenu all the time | 03:53 |
| Belial | or have an option for it | 03:53 |
| Belial | doesn't make sense for it to hide | 03:53 |
| tyrog | For me that is ok | 03:53 |
| Mneumonic | Windows key + A goes to the app menu | 03:53 |
| Mneumonic | in unity | 03:54 |
| Belial | i mean the global menu | 03:54 |
| tyrog | Belial: that is an innovation. Definitely helps to gain space for the content of your programs | 03:54 |
| tyrog | Gnome shell could learn from this, instead they chose to create the Appmenu (cf. Nautilus) | 03:55 |
| Belial | i like having the global menu | 03:55 |
| Belial | i just want it to show all the time in the top panel | 03:55 |
| johnjohn1011 | global menu needs to show all the time for noobs. | 03:55 |
| Belial | there's nothing else using that space. | 03:55 |
| tyrog | Belial: title bar? | 03:55 |
| johnjohn1011 | not intuitive for new users if nothing is showing | 03:55 |
| Belial | ah yeah, i guess if everything were maximized. | 03:55 |
| tyrog | from a software design point-of-view, it must be very difficult to merge titlebar with the menus | 03:56 |
| Belial | maybe show it for unmaximized windows and hide it when they're maximized to display the titlebar. | 03:56 |
| Belial | kde has it down pretty good. | 03:56 |
| Belial | in 4.10 | 03:56 |
| Belial | the button menu works for everything and anything. | 03:56 |
| Belial | qt, gtk | 03:56 |
| Mneumonic | So, any gamers in here? | 03:57 |
| Belial | or you can use it like unity does. | 03:57 |
| Mneumonic | if so, what games? | 03:57 |
| tyrog | KDE has grown very much on me lately too. I will have to decide between it and Unity | 03:57 |
| Belial | i'm somewhat a gamer. | 03:57 |
| Belial | but for some reason bumblebee isn't working for me right now. | 03:57 |
| johnjohn1011 | i don't game, ever since ubuntu got rid of same-gnome hee hee | 03:57 |
| tyrog | Belial: NVIDIA has released drivers that work with optimus | 03:57 |
| Belial | yeah, but they stay on all the time. | 03:57 |
| Belial | uses the nvidia card to display everything. | 03:58 |
| tyrog | Im talking about the 319-series beta | 03:58 |
| Belial | right | 03:58 |
| Belial | it never turns off the nvidia card. | 03:58 |
| Belial | so battery life is still terrible. | 03:58 |
| tyrog | lol | 03:58 |
| Belial | but it's a step in the right direction. | 03:58 |
| tyrog | so what is the point? | 03:58 |
| tyrog | In windows you can choose | 03:58 |
| tyrog | app by app | 03:58 |
| Belial | yeah | 03:58 |
| Belial | they're getting there | 03:58 |
| johnjohn1011 | when are they ever going to open source all that? it's about time | 03:58 |
| tyrog | what you want to use one, or the other | 03:58 |
| tyrog | johnjohn1011: NVIDIA? Not a single line of code | 03:59 |
| Belial | there's been a lot of progress since valve jumped on the linux wagon. | 03:59 |
| tyrog | Nouveau is reverse-engineered | 03:59 |
| johnjohn1011 | yeah but it's still far behind | 03:59 |
| Belial | yeah the opensource drivers are pretty bad for gaming. | 03:59 |
| tyrog | Because it is reverse engineered | 04:00 |
| Belial | even the radeon drivers. | 04:00 |
| tyrog | NVIDIA doesn't care, doesn't want to help | 04:00 |
| johnjohn1011 | you figure with the china market, they wouid want everyone to use the graphics | 04:00 |
| johnjohn1011 | ubuntu china release | 04:00 |
| tyrog | Belial: Depends on the card. Older cards perform better | 04:01 |
| tyrog | The ones that AMD already dropped officially | 04:01 |
| Belial | ah | 04:01 |
| Belial | i haven't had an amd/ati card since the x850 pro | 04:02 |
| Belial | 256mb | 04:02 |
| Belial | awesome card. | 04:02 |
| Belial | i think i was choking it with my cpu though | 04:03 |
| Belial | all i had was a p4 2.8C northwood | 04:04 |
| Belial | i think at the time an amd athlon64 would have pushed it a bit better. | 04:04 |
| johnjohn1011 | ha | 04:04 |
| Belial | the "c" series northwoods were good cpus though | 04:04 |
| Belial | they were made to compete with athlonxps | 04:04 |
| Belial | then they went to prescott after the northwood c | 04:05 |
| Belial | which was garbage. | 04:05 |
| johnjohn1011 | so steam runs better on nvidia? | 04:06 |
| Belial | i don't know. i imagine in linux it does. | 04:06 |
| Belial | but on windows it all depends on the card. | 04:06 |
| Belial | i know they were able to get more performance out of l4d2 in linux than on windows with an nvidia card. | 04:07 |
| Belial | i think it was l4d2. | 04:07 |
| blob4000 | yep | 04:08 |
| johnjohn1011 | going to be a royal mess when wayland/mir come out | 04:08 |
| Mneumonic | i'm hoping nvidia even decides to support wayland or mir | 04:10 |
| johnjohn1011 | have they considered balking? | 04:10 |
| Belial | i'm thinking nvidia is going to support mir. | 04:13 |
| Belial | especially since the next lts is going to be with mir and valve is only focusing mainly on lts releases. | 04:13 |
| blob4000 | when did ubuntu start enforcing longer passwords for user accounts? | 04:14 |
| johnjohn1011 | i still use password as my password | 04:15 |
| blob4000 | johnjohn1011 haha | 04:31 |
| roxan | :D out yet ? | 04:43 |
| sebsebseb | hi | 05:02 |
| Mneumonic | hi sebsebseb | 05:05 |
| sebsebseb | Mneumonic: hi | 05:05 |
| blob4000 | ok guys, well i took the plunge early, and installed 13.04..... and it's amazing! | 05:27 |
| blob4000 | it's so much faster | 05:27 |
| dom134 | Is it out on general release yet? | 05:29 |
| Tex_Nick | dom134: I think final release is scheduled for April 25 | 05:35 |
| blob4000 | dom134: no | 05:36 |
| blob4000 | i just updated early :P | 05:36 |
| dom134 | thanks, will update soonest | 05:37 |
| N1031982 | What time is the release os 13.04 and in what time zone? | 05:48 |
| pskeshu | Hi, I'm using Ubuntu 13.04, and I'm unable to connect to my campus wifi | 05:53 |
| pskeshu | with PEAP and MSCHAP | 05:53 |
| pskeshu | can someone help me? | 05:54 |
| vanishing | hi guys | 05:56 |
| vanishing | has raring been released? | 05:57 |
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| lucidfox | So at what time (UTC) will Raring be considered officially released? | 07:18 |
| valorie | once it's out | 07:20 |
| valorie | !raring | 07:20 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu 13.04 (Raring Ringtail) will be the 18th release of Ubuntu, Discussion and support until final release in #ubuntu+1 | 07:20 |
| valorie | huh | 07:21 |
| valorie | helpful | 07:21 |
| OerHeks | you are in the right place to ask, but i don't know | 07:21 |
| valorie | based on past experience, they flip the switch when they are ready | 07:22 |
| valorie | on 10.10.10 they wanted it at 10 | 07:22 |
| valorie | I don't think they made it though | 07:22 |
| lucidfox | hah | 07:24 |
| elmargol | lucidfox, https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-announce subscribe and you know | 07:24 |
| lucidfox | at 10:10:10? | 07:24 |
| valorie | not sure how recursive they got | 07:25 |
| Ergo^ | is it out yet? :PP | 07:38 |
| OerHeks | If you cannot download it, it is not. | 07:39 |
| Ergo^ | it wasnt a serious question ;-) | 07:41 |
| Ergo^ | but im kind of surprised there is no countdown timer on ubuntu.com | 07:41 |
| yeehi | At what time today is Raring released? | 07:46 |
| valorie | heh | 07:48 |
| valorie | when it's ready | 07:48 |
| OerHeks | Yes. | 07:48 |
| valorie | time to leave this chan for me, I think | 07:48 |
| valorie | have fun | 07:48 |
| bazhang | !info systemd | 07:57 |
| ubottu | Package systemd does not exist in raring | 07:57 |
| Ergo^ | yeehi: ubuntu usually gets releases about 17 my time | 08:01 |
| Ergo^ | which is about 7h from now | 08:01 |
| lucidfox | And your time is? | 08:02 |
| lucidfox | oh | 08:02 |
| yeehi | what is your time zone, Ergo^ | 08:03 |
| Ergo^ | gmt+1 | 08:03 |
| pk___ | so.. is final release on schedule? | 08:06 |
| pk___ | if so, where will it hit first? | 08:08 |
| bhavesh | Should I upgrade to Ubuntu 13.04 from Ubuntu 12.04.2 LTS with Cinnamon (If I don't care about unity)? | 08:12 |
| bazhang | bhavesh, what does cinnamon have to do with it | 08:13 |
| bhavesh | bazhang, Most of the upgrades in Ubuntu 13.04 are related to unity.. | 08:13 |
| bhavesh | so should I upgrade if I won't be using unity? | 08:13 |
| bazhang | bhavesh, thats entirely your decision | 08:14 |
| bhavesh | I am asking for an advice, lol | 08:14 |
| bazhang | to simplify it to its only about unity, is a mistake | 08:14 |
| bazhang | its waaaay more than unity bhavesh | 08:15 |
| yeehi | i have raring daily build updated, is it a good idea to reinstall using the gold release that comes out today? | 08:15 |
| bazhang | !final | yeehi | 08:15 |
| ubottu | yeehi: If you install a development version of Ubuntu Raring and keep up with package updates, then you will be upgraded to the official release of 13.04 when it comes out. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a terminal. | 08:15 |
| bazhang | yeehi, if you want really slow servers, then yes | 08:15 |
| bhavesh | bazhang, kay | 08:15 |
| yeehi | thank, bazhang! | 08:15 |
| bhavesh | I will have to do a fresh install, or upgrade to 12.10 first :( | 08:15 |
| bazhang | ubottu, slow | 08:16 |
| ubottu | The Ubuntu repositories and ISO mirrors are currently under heavy load. Please consider using !torrents to download ISO images, and be patient with APT updates. Also, try changing !mirrors | 08:16 |
| yeehi | will i get all the nice wallpaper and splash screens and everything just by a sudo apt-get update, bazhang? | 08:16 |
| bazhang | yeehi, well that and what is mentioned above, yeah | 08:16 |
| yeehi | thank you bazhang, i just wanted to confirm | 08:17 |
| bazhang | np | 08:17 |
| bhavesh | Waiting for two years for next LTS release is quite hard | 08:17 |
| bazhang | you'll hit final before anyone else | 08:17 |
| bhavesh | ill upgrade to Ubuntu 12.10 right now :) | 08:17 |
| bhavesh | final? | 08:17 |
| bazhang | bhavesh, why not just use the raring install to preserve /home | 08:18 |
| maxb | Today is pretty much the worst possible day to be upgrading things. The archive mirrors will be under exceptional load as everyone tries to do it | 08:19 |
| bazhang | unless you like that sort of thing, which some seem to | 08:20 |
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| bhavesh | I still cannot decide if I should use 12.04 or 13.04 :( | 08:23 |
| pk___ | !torrents | 08:34 |
| ubottu | Quantal can be torrented from http://torrent.ubuntu.com/simple/quantal/desktop/ubuntu-12.10-desktop-i386.iso.torrent or http://torrent.ubuntu.com/simple/quantal/server/ubuntu-12.10-server-amd64.iso.torrent depending on your needs. Other flavors can be found at http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969 | 08:34 |
| lucidfox | Use 13.04 | 08:34 |
| lucidfox | I'd say | 08:35 |
| Ergo^ | if it will be usable | 08:37 |
| Ergo^ | 12.10 was a mess | 08:37 |
| Atlantic777 | Ergo^: I'm using 13.04 for about 3 months and it works great. :) | 08:44 |
| Ergo^ | 12.04 and 12.10 were ugly mess, all kinds of errors popped in and crash reports | 08:45 |
| Ergo^ | hopefully 13.04 is ok in this regard | 08:45 |
| k1l_ | Ergo^: they changed it to report every error with apport. that doesnt mean its more unstable then before | 08:46 |
| Atlantic777 | Yup, I've got two machines (laptop and desktop), the same setup, similar hardware, installed 12.04 the same day and on laptop it works great and I still have troubless on desktop. | 08:47 |
| Atlantic777 | And I'm talking about those annoying random bug reports and "system crashes". | 08:47 |
| pk___ | ooh! torrents are up! | 08:52 |
| pk___ | http://torrent.ubuntu.com/simple/raring/desktop/ubuntu-13.04-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent | 08:52 |
| pk___ | and also isos | 08:53 |
| Ergo^ | pk___: the links can change - like they changed in past multiple times | 09:20 |
| pk___ | if there's some last second bug and they have to make new builds ? | 09:21 |
| Ergo^ | pk___: nah ;-) the torrents may just lead to some previous rc build | 09:23 |
| Ergo^ | lat time it was like this | 09:23 |
| Ergo^ | checksums changed | 09:23 |
| Ergo^ | its way too late to do any changes in the image itself :] | 09:24 |
| k1l_ | just wait for the official release. thats it | 09:24 |
| pk___ | well the isos are there as well | 09:24 |
| Ergo^ | exactly | 09:25 |
| Ergo^ | pk___: ok not the checksums | 09:25 |
| Ergo^ | and check them after announcment | 09:25 |
| Ergo^ | there is 90% of chance they will be different | 09:25 |
| Ergo^ | i know everything is there | 09:25 |
| Ergo^ | its like this eevery year and people get banned for posting links to that | 09:25 |
| Ergo^ | :-) | 09:25 |
| pk___ | oops. | 09:25 |
| pk___ | :) | 09:25 |
| Ergo^ | maybe they released everything earlier | 09:26 |
| Ergo^ | but i doubt | 09:26 |
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| pedor | anyone saw mark stepping back about rolling release? http://www.markshuttleworth.com/ | 20:12 |
| pedor | that's not the link, this is the correct one: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1252 | 20:12 |
| k1l | pedor: i dont see news about rolling or not rolling in that | 20:50 |
| ethang | I upgraded kubuntu to 13.04 and now my desktop is gone. Perfect login screen, asks for my KDE Wallet password just fine, even opens Skype, but no desktop. Just blackness. | 20:54 |
| ethang | any ideas? | 20:55 |
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| pedor | ethang: I had the same problem... but I had tomatoid installed without the dependencies. it was a fresh install? | 20:56 |
| ethang | no, upgrade from 12.10 | 20:56 |
| pedor | kubuntu? or ubuntu + kde? | 20:57 |
| ethang | kubuntu | 20:58 |
| pedor | :/ I have no idea, but try sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade | 20:59 |
| pedor | you can open krunner, right/ | 20:59 |
| ethang | pedor: krunner? | 21:00 |
| pedor | alt+F2 | 21:00 |
| ethang | I'll try | 21:00 |
| ethang | yes | 21:00 |
| pedor | alt+F2 and tipe konsole | 21:01 |
| pedor | *type | 21:01 |
| ethang | it's open | 21:01 |
| ethang | kewl | 21:01 |
| pedor | so: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade | 21:01 |
| ethang | working... | 21:02 |
| ethang | it's just updating some mysql stuff | 21:03 |
| pedor | hm, I don't think it will help. it seems more people are facing this after an upgrade... | 21:05 |
| pedor | ethang: try this: startx | 21:09 |
| k1l | no, dont startx | 21:10 |
| k1l | start the *dm, like lightdm (or the thing that kubuntu uses) | 21:10 |
| k1l | ethang: take a look into .xsession-errors | 21:13 |
| k1l | ethang: and you can ask in #kubuntu since 13.04 is released now :) | 21:13 |
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