[00:01] you can have all the workspaces you need if you use gnome [01:07] I have just installed 13.04. Everything is set up, but I can't change the mouse sensitivity under mouse settings. Just the Left/right and the toubbleclick [01:10] fyksen, I noticed the speed control is rather sensitive and only changes in the first milimeter of the left side. [01:20] i can't believe it's almost here [01:29] me too [01:29] cant wait for 13.04 [01:29] i really want to the performance of Unity [01:31] wondering if they will port the new unity back to 12.04? [01:39] not a chance [01:42] small stuff can be backported, not big stuff [01:47] Hi [01:47] I need help with my wireless and 13.04 [01:47] Ralink corp. RT5390 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe [01:47] It disconnects intermittently. [01:47] And restarting network-manager solves it. [01:48] It is not scanning network at the moment [02:00] i guess it disconnected again [02:05] anyone else think the appmenu looks kind of off with the nautilus 3.6.x? [02:05] or "files" 3.6.x [02:05] me [02:06] that large space between the title of the app and the actual one button menu just doesn't look right. [02:06] nitpicky, sure. but it drives me nuts. [02:07] Its the solution canonical chose. But I hope they come with something better for 13.10 [02:09] Belial: You can use alternative file managers if you dont like [02:09] i'm not sure if i'd go that far. but i actually did think about it. [02:10] Yes. I can live with it too [02:10] has anyone else lost the ability to open the About This Computer menu from the top right in 13.04? [02:10] this is in Virtualbox, mind you [02:10] mine is working fine. [02:10] nothing happens [02:10] ok [02:10] blob4000: mine too [02:11] kk [02:11] did you guys update from apt, or from iso? [02:11] or fresh install? [02:12] blob4000: fresh [02:13] blob4000, Have you tried logging out than back in or a reboot? === Jikan is now known as Jikai [02:15] wilee-nilee: yes, [02:15] i'm going to be doing the update to 13.04 on hardware shortly, so i'll let you know if anything's reproducable that i can see [02:19] blob4000: Wait for the announcement and upgrade notes === Jikai is now known as Jikan [02:22] tyrog: kk [03:06] for those already running 13.04. impressions so far? [03:06] stability, new features, speed [03:06] blob4000: Faster to boot and shutdown [03:07] Unity is faster than ever too. Stability is better than 12.10 [03:08] blob4000 I don't say this lightly. Ubuntu 13.04 is the best version of Ubuntu that i've ever used. [03:08] It's even more stable for me than 10.04 and 10.10 were [03:08] If you are using or plan to use Unity, then 13.04 is the best you can get [03:08] I've liked Unity since it was introduced but this is the first time that I can actually recommend it over other desktops [03:09] Mneumonic: From my experience all desktops are stellar, except the GNOME edition, where I get internal problems [03:10] popups [03:10] Mneumonic & tyrog: wow, that's exciting :P [03:10] I am a Unity user [03:10] tyrog I don't doubt xu, ku and lu are all great. 12.10 xubuntu was amazing for me. [03:10] blob4000 if you use Unity, 13.04 is a no brainer [03:10] Unity is lightning fast [03:10] cool- looking forward to it [03:10] blob4000: MUCH improved from anything before it [03:11] Mneumonic: did you install from apt, iso, or fresh? [03:11] It's actually kinda weird, I've been running 13.04 for a week and had no issues at all. [03:11] sorry i meant, update or fresh [03:11] In my experience, much faster than gnome shell for example [03:11] I installed from daily iso [03:11] kk [03:11] do you guys recommend update from iso over apt? [03:11] I always recommend a fresh install instead of an upgrade [03:12] mk [03:12] In the past I've experienced some weird errors with upgrades [03:12] Alt+tab transitions, speed to open Dash with Super/windows key, multitasking [03:12] do you keep your home folder seperate? [03:12] i don't. [03:12] minimizing, maximizing, everything is smooth [03:12] tyrog: nice [03:13] blob4000: Fresh install is always better. [03:13] 13.04 is a very good release so it deserves one anyway xD [03:14] when you guys do a fresh install, do you backup your home folders elsewhere? or some other trick? [03:14] Yep, backup home folder. Some people have a separate /home partition to prevent that [03:16] I don't backup my home folder, but that's because I'm crazy [03:16] I keep everything synced to dropbox/ubuntu one and blow everything off my hard drive [03:17] right on guys, [03:17] thanks for the tips! [03:17] blob4000: I didn't mean you shouldn't upgrade. As long as you have your ubuntu 12.10 without crazy PPAs, upgrade route should be smooth [03:17] yeah, it's also that i'm coming from 12.04, [03:17] going to 12.10 was a bit of a bump [03:17] so i might just go fresh [03:17] i don't have all that much on that machine [03:17] blob4000: There are reports of people using ubuntu upgraded for years without problems [03:18] yeah true, [03:18] for others, one upgrade makes the system unbootable. So YMMV, but if statistics count for you, most people upgrade just fine or with minor tweaks needed [03:18] i don't really have the time to fiddle as much though, i can see that working for an ubuntu server or other window manager, but unity seems to get gummed up with updates [03:18] For me it really comes down to this. If it's not too inconvenient to do a fresh install, do one. [03:18] yeah makes sense [03:19] thats for sure [03:19] oh blob4000, one more thing [03:19] if you weren't already sold [03:19] Ubuntu 13.04 is the linux distro that has gotten me nearly completely off of windows [03:19] that's great to hear, [03:19] My windows partition is literally a League of Legends and Defiance gaming OS [03:19] 12.04 lts already did that for me [03:19] i use Windows only when i absolutely have to, and that's becoming increasingly rare [03:20] nice, [03:20] 12.10 64bit on a ssd did it for me [03:20] fast as rocket [03:20] ha [03:20] wow [03:20] have you been to phoronix today? [03:20] Mneumonic: try to run them with wine. [03:20] They ran benchmarks of Manjaro linux (arch + XFCE) against Ubuntu 13.04....guess which one performed better [03:21] 6-2 ubuntu [03:21] Wine has improved a lot over the years, to the point of running most dx9 games today [03:21] yep [03:21] wow! [03:21] yea, I can run LoL in wine but I get an abysmal framerate. [03:21] wine amazes me [03:21] Defiance runs fine but my xbox 360 controller doesn't work in wine [03:21] and playonlinux package [03:21] and upcomming steam games [03:21] oh yea, there is steam too [03:22] i can't believe we already have Steam on linux, that seemed like such a quick process to go from announcement to release [03:22] steam for linux is growing nicely [03:22] Mneumonic: Ubuntu won the benchmark? [03:22] ubuntu made that happen, [03:22] tyrog yep. [03:22] against Arch? wow! [03:22] check this out: http://www.alienware.com/ubuntu/ [03:23] blob4000: and windows 8 too. Thank you M$ [03:23] doesn't surprise me. arch system may seem more responsive, but responsiveness doesn't always equal better performance. [03:23] for example, Warsow: Manjaro - 29.27, Ubuntu 13.04 = 32.23 [03:23] Mneumonic: Is that benchmark with Unity? Because they vary with each DE [03:23] At first I thought Arch was really cool when I tried it....I quickly realized it isn't really any better. It's just different....and less intuitive. [03:23] tyrop yep, it's 13.04 out of the box with unity [03:23] which is the surprising part. [03:24] tyrog: totally true. windows 8 is a disaster for them [03:24] unity outshining xfce. [03:24] tyrog: but a blessing for us [03:24] Belial: actually arch is very responsive. But Ubuntu has improved a lot since steam was released for it in the first place [03:24] definitely [03:24] Mneumonic: agreed re: arch [03:24] i first ran arch back in 06 [03:24] love it, but i don't have time to tinker with the system. [03:24] Arch was too unstable for me. [03:25] Unity outshining xfce is absolutely incredible. I think I will run my own benchmarks across the whole 13.04 family lol [03:25] I know some users tell you that their arch install never breaks...mine was constantly breaking with updates [03:25] also, i don't like how they ditched their old installer in favor for scripts. [03:25] when did the enforcement of longer passwords come along? 13.04? [03:26] I should really just buy Defiance for my PS3 so I can make Ubuntu my only OS [03:26] Mneumonic: Actually Manjaro is to Arch what Ubuntu was to Debian in the first place [03:26] In Manjaro's defence, it has the most beautiful XFCE theme I've ever seen [03:26] Manjaro is very good by all means. Surprises me more then seeing Unity beating Xfce [03:26] yeah, it's a good looking theme. [03:27] but the numix gtk theme is off the chain. [03:27] omg, numix looks incredible. [03:27] Can I use it with unity? [03:27] yeah [03:27] i've been using it. [03:27] It works well with 13.04? [03:27] unity, gnome shell, xfce [03:27] one thing i'm not clear on, when you update to a new release, let's say 13.04.. your ppas are out of date? like some of them are still expecting 'quantal' releases? [03:27] yep [03:28] blob4000: Upgrade Manager disables them for you [03:28] tyrog: but what if i want that software to stay up to date? i have to find a new ppa that supports raring? [03:28] After the upgrade you need to re-add them [03:28] I'm so anxious for 13.04 to release so I can do a fresh install [03:29] tyrog: thanks ok [03:29] Mneumonic: Me 2. Even considering I did a fresh install from the Monday daily lol [03:29] blob4000: I dont have many PPAs. Just the ones strictly needed. So that's not a problem for me [03:29] tyrog it's my OCD. I just have to "know" that it's an install from the official release [03:29] Mneumonic, http://ubuntuone.com/47EOMnfN5bdILCL6AyIzhN [03:30] Belial, that is beautiful [03:30] that is actually one of the best themes I've ever seen [03:30] yeah, it's pretty damn sweet. easy on the eyes. [03:31] i'm installing it now to test it in unity [03:31] Is it wrong that I love the 13.04 ringtail wallpaper [03:31] the purple one with the cartoon ringtail on it [03:32] it's not bad [03:32] i don't like the new version of purple salad. [03:32] Belial: where is your Unity bar? [03:32] xD [03:32] hidden? [03:32] i autohide it [03:32] omg [03:32] blob4000 I forgot the best feature of 13.04 [03:33] They don't force you to have the workspace switcher on your unity panel [03:33] I dont like autohide, enjoy always watching the icons right there xD [03:33] Mneumonic: i enabled it myself anyway [03:33] brb, gonna restart [03:34] Belial: simple theme, I like it. Are you still doing adjustments? [03:35] i wish i could get in the habit of using the workspace switcher more [03:35] oh, well the theme isn't by me. [03:35] blob4000: the button, or the workspaces themselves? [03:35] tyrog: both! [03:36] i find that i'm often hunting for windows that are actually groupable, and should be on distinct workspaces [03:36] i'm a real alt-tabber [03:36] http://ubuntuone.com/73E5sPSTNsNfyhb1jBHo7C there's one with the launcher [03:36] i should get into the workspace keyboard shortcuts, because i prefer to work from the keyboard much more [03:36] blob4000: They help you extend the desktop, giving you more area and also more organization [03:37] When I do some heavy multitasking, I get easily confused if I don't use them [03:37] Belial: that looks like a nice desktop :P [03:37] blob4000: You just need to memorize the shortcuts table of Unity [03:37] Then you are a Unity power-user xD [03:37] thanks, blob4000 [03:37] i'm happy with it [03:38] Belial: is that image resized, or what resolution monitor is that from? [03:38] it's a cheapo acer [03:38] 15.6in with a 1366x768 res [03:38] Belial: Your desktop is "asking" for a Conky xD [03:38] it's two years old. [03:38] i would actually like a big conky clock [03:38] oh here's a random quiz: favourite irc client when on unity? [03:38] i use xchat [03:39] pidgin for me at the moment [03:39] Mneumonic, if you use firefox, then the fxchrome addon goes really well with that theme. http://ubuntuone.com/73E5sPSTNsNfyhb1jBHo7C [03:39] tyrog...wow...numix <3 [03:40] Belial, I use chrome. Chrome looks amazing in Numix [03:40] there is an actual numix theme for chrome. [03:40] but i haven't tried. [03:41] i don't use chrome mainly because the tab animations are really jerky in the linux version for some reason. [03:41] trying the chrome theme now [03:41] stupid reason, but i'm really picky with that stuff. [03:41] Belial: I use chromium lol [03:41] i think it did it for me with chromium too. [03:41] Faster and Lighter than Firefox [03:42] every time i open a new tab, the animation is real choppy. [03:42] wow, the chrome theme is awesome [03:42] I don't care too much about those details too. I prefer smoothness in the browsing experience [03:42] i hear ya. [03:43] blob4000, speaking of chrome and irc, if you do use chrome, circ is a new irc client for chrome. [03:43] Belial: For example, Firefox scrolling is very clunky for me [03:43] i disable smooth scrolling in firefox. [03:43] because it isn't as good as in chrome. [03:44] yes, definitely [03:44] eventually, if i want to see flash at all i'll be forced to chrome. [03:44] wow i just found hte "Unity Tweak Tool" In the software center. This is awesome software [03:44] which won't be a big deal. [03:45] Belial: I saw on the screenshot that your kernel is somewhat outdated. Any reason for that? [03:45] that was an old screenshot [03:46] oh, ok [03:46] http://ubuntuone.com/3YiX0yka17mor8MxSV5Xsg [03:46] there we go [03:47] nice! [03:47] i'm surprised Unity doesn't come with more themes [03:47] WOW. That theme is getting me crazy [03:47] Are there variants? [03:48] everyone wished Windows 8 would look like that... [03:48] and not some bizarre half tablet thing [03:48] you can change the colors with the gtk color chooser [03:48] as far as the reddish highlights [03:48] Windows 8 looks nice, looks aren't its problem imo [03:49] like to blue, etc. [03:49] I have to be honest, Windows 8 surprised me [03:49] they're going to be releasing an icon theme soon too. [03:49] It is the best version of Windows I've ever used [03:49] why aren't there more schemes for unity? [03:49] however...they expect users to use key combinations for everything and find hidden menus...it is failing hard [03:49] you like windows 8? [03:49] Yea, for performance it is amazing. [03:49] For a Windows OS I mean [03:49] http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/092/2/4/numix___gtk3_theme_by_satya164-d5ygul6.jpg there's part of the icon theme [03:49] not released yet [03:50] and that's inside of gnome-shell. [03:50] windows 8 is definitely an improvement over windows 7. [03:50] Belial: nice [03:50] i like what they did with the desktop theme. [03:50] but i wasn't crazy about metro. [03:50] Mneumonic: Windows 8 is very fast. But once you fullfill the hard drive, the usual array of trouble comes xD [03:50] mixing uis to me is kind of weird. [03:51] i like consistency. [03:51] So do I, but I could tell from day 1 that Windows 8 would not catch on with casual users [03:51] yeah I tried to use windows 8 and it was having to learn all new paradigms for accessing data [03:51] i don't like how the modern interface uses fullscreen for everything. [03:51] johnjohn1011: The same for Unity. Except Unity at least makes some sense for the desktop user i think [03:51] especially if you're using a big ass monitor with a high res. [03:51] why waste all that screen real estate? [03:52] i like unity. took about 3-4 weeks [03:52] Windows 8 does a lot of things right....and some crucial things wrong [03:52] yeah unity grew on me [03:52] especially after 12.04 [03:52] Belial: That Snap feature with a Metro app + Win32 app is just ridiculous, sucks a lot [03:52] the dash + hud is an awesome combo [03:52] oh yeah it sucks [03:52] HUD is the best [03:52] Actually "grow on you" is the best description I find for Unity [03:52] best part of unity imho [03:53] In the beginning, it is VERY weird [03:53] yeah it's definitely different [03:53] i just wish they'd show the appmenu all the time [03:53] or have an option for it [03:53] doesn't make sense for it to hide [03:53] For me that is ok [03:53] Windows key + A goes to the app menu [03:54] in unity [03:54] i mean the global menu [03:54] Belial: that is an innovation. Definitely helps to gain space for the content of your programs [03:55] Gnome shell could learn from this, instead they chose to create the Appmenu (cf. Nautilus) [03:55] i like having the global menu [03:55] i just want it to show all the time in the top panel [03:55] global menu needs to show all the time for noobs. [03:55] there's nothing else using that space. [03:55] Belial: title bar? [03:55] not intuitive for new users if nothing is showing [03:55] ah yeah, i guess if everything were maximized. [03:56] from a software design point-of-view, it must be very difficult to merge titlebar with the menus [03:56] maybe show it for unmaximized windows and hide it when they're maximized to display the titlebar. [03:56] kde has it down pretty good. [03:56] in 4.10 [03:56] the button menu works for everything and anything. [03:56] qt, gtk [03:57] So, any gamers in here? [03:57] or you can use it like unity does. [03:57] if so, what games? [03:57] KDE has grown very much on me lately too. I will have to decide between it and Unity [03:57] i'm somewhat a gamer. [03:57] but for some reason bumblebee isn't working for me right now. [03:57] i don't game, ever since ubuntu got rid of same-gnome hee hee [03:57] Belial: NVIDIA has released drivers that work with optimus [03:57] yeah, but they stay on all the time. [03:58] uses the nvidia card to display everything. [03:58] Im talking about the 319-series beta [03:58] right [03:58] it never turns off the nvidia card. [03:58] so battery life is still terrible. [03:58] lol [03:58] but it's a step in the right direction. [03:58] so what is the point? [03:58] In windows you can choose [03:58] app by app [03:58] yeah [03:58] they're getting there [03:58] when are they ever going to open source all that? it's about time [03:58] what you want to use one, or the other [03:59] johnjohn1011: NVIDIA? Not a single line of code [03:59] there's been a lot of progress since valve jumped on the linux wagon. [03:59] Nouveau is reverse-engineered [03:59] yeah but it's still far behind [03:59] yeah the opensource drivers are pretty bad for gaming. [04:00] Because it is reverse engineered [04:00] even the radeon drivers. [04:00] NVIDIA doesn't care, doesn't want to help [04:00] you figure with the china market, they wouid want everyone to use the graphics [04:00] ubuntu china release [04:01] Belial: Depends on the card. Older cards perform better [04:01] The ones that AMD already dropped officially [04:01] ah [04:02] i haven't had an amd/ati card since the x850 pro [04:02] 256mb [04:02] awesome card. [04:03] i think i was choking it with my cpu though [04:04] all i had was a p4 2.8C northwood [04:04] i think at the time an amd athlon64 would have pushed it a bit better. [04:04] ha [04:04] the "c" series northwoods were good cpus though [04:04] they were made to compete with athlonxps [04:05] then they went to prescott after the northwood c [04:05] which was garbage. [04:06] so steam runs better on nvidia? [04:06] i don't know. i imagine in linux it does. [04:06] but on windows it all depends on the card. [04:07] i know they were able to get more performance out of l4d2 in linux than on windows with an nvidia card. [04:07] i think it was l4d2. [04:08] yep [04:08] going to be a royal mess when wayland/mir come out [04:10] i'm hoping nvidia even decides to support wayland or mir [04:10] have they considered balking? [04:13] i'm thinking nvidia is going to support mir. [04:13] especially since the next lts is going to be with mir and valve is only focusing mainly on lts releases. [04:14] when did ubuntu start enforcing longer passwords for user accounts? [04:15] i still use password as my password [04:31] johnjohn1011 haha [04:43] :D out yet ? [05:02] hi [05:05] hi sebsebseb [05:05] Mneumonic: hi [05:27] ok guys, well i took the plunge early, and installed 13.04..... and it's amazing! [05:27] it's so much faster [05:29] Is it out on general release yet? [05:35] dom134: I think final release is scheduled for April 25 [05:36] dom134: no [05:36] i just updated early :P [05:37] thanks, will update soonest [05:48] What time is the release os 13.04 and in what time zone? [05:53] Hi, I'm using Ubuntu 13.04, and I'm unable to connect to my campus wifi [05:53] with PEAP and MSCHAP [05:54] can someone help me? [05:56] hi guys [05:57] has raring been released? === alexander is now known as Guest42372 === Guest42372 is now known as dev1 [07:18] So at what time (UTC) will Raring be considered officially released? [07:20] once it's out [07:20] !raring [07:20] Ubuntu 13.04 (Raring Ringtail) will be the 18th release of Ubuntu, Discussion and support until final release in #ubuntu+1 [07:21] huh [07:21] helpful [07:21] you are in the right place to ask, but i don't know [07:22] based on past experience, they flip the switch when they are ready [07:22] on 10.10.10 they wanted it at 10 [07:22] I don't think they made it though [07:24] hah [07:24] lucidfox, https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-announce subscribe and you know [07:24] at 10:10:10? [07:25] not sure how recursive they got [07:38] is it out yet? :PP [07:39]