[09:36] <janimo> ogra_, so the nexus7 kernel has the rotation fixed and works with both ubuntu and phablet images now?
[09:36] <janimo> I did not follow that bug
[09:36] <ogra_> i dont think so
[09:37] <ogra_> as i understand touch is broken with the patch on u touch
[09:37] <janimo> right
[09:37] <janimo> and I thought at one point I read  ppisati he'd found a fix for both but I may be remembering something else
[09:37] <ogra_> if we cant make it work on both we'll have to drop desktop
[09:38] <ogra_> though there is also discussion about renaming the arch to grouper
[09:38] <janimo> desktop should be dropped for 13.10 anyway no? By then we should have non-alpha quality touch images
[09:38] <ogra_> then we could probably leave -nexus7 just idle in the archive
[09:38] <ogra_> we need an image to test desktop on
[09:39] <ogra_> apps specifically
[09:39] <janimo> ogra_, ah right
[09:39] <ogra_> (stuff that doesnt run on touch)
[09:39] <janimo> they are still around until convergence at least
[09:39] <ogra_> the question is which image this will be
[09:39] <ogra_> even then
[09:39] <janimo> chromebook would be awesomer
[09:39] <ogra_> well, i doubt we'll do a completely new image
[09:39] <janimo> since desktop non n7 is not really usable
[09:40] <ogra_> up to foundations :)
[09:40] <janimo> you are part of foundations no ? :)
[09:40] <ogra_> only until end of the month
[09:40] <ogra_> UE is re-shaping a bit
[09:41] <ogra_> i'll be in what i like to call "phonedations" then :)
[09:42] <janimo> so not a big change :)
[09:42] <ogra_> desktop images stay in the hands of foundations  ... i'll do touch low level plumbing
[09:42] <ogra_> (and touch images)
[09:42] <janimo> ogra_, so getting into android HAL stuff as well?
[09:43] <ogra_> well, getting rid of it as much as possible rather :)
[09:43] <janimo> any ETA on MIR replacing SF?
[09:43] <ogra_> (but keep as much as needed and probably even properly packaging it)
[09:43] <ogra_> dunno, within the next 4-6 week i would hope
[09:44] <ogra_> thats about the timeframe for staring daily S images, i hope Mir is in the archive and usable by then in S
[09:45] <janimo> nice
[09:45] <janimo> when does S open? We need a name first right?
[09:45] <ogra_> we'll see :)
[09:45] <ogra_> yeah
[09:45] <ogra_> once sabdfl does his blog post
[09:45] <janimo> that's been a bottleneck recently
[09:46] <xnox> No Name Yet
[09:46] <ogra_> yeah
[09:46] <ogra_> last release already
[09:46] <ogra_> buut this one is worse
[09:46] <ogra_> he's on the road since weeks though
[09:48] <janimo> has no wifi and access to wikipedia on the road? Traveling is a lame excuse :)
[09:48] <ogra_> heh
[09:48] <ogra_> dunno if hoos plane has wifi nowadays :)
[09:48] <ogra_> *his
[09:51] <janimo> ogra_, I believe this is fixed right? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-nexus7/+bug/1120196
[09:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1120196 in ubuntu-nexus7 "Touchscreen input incorrectly rotated at boot." [Medium,Triaged]
[09:51] <ogra_> yeah, should be
[09:51] <janimo> I see I made a commit a cou;ple days after the bug being filed
[09:51] <janimo> but never got to follow up
[09:51] <janimo> I have not installed raring on grouper for a while
[09:51] <ogra_> same here
[09:51] <ogra_> and i have a lot of hacks in mine atm
[09:52]  * ogra_ is looking into getting the dcontainer flip to work
[09:52] <ogra_> *container
[09:53] <janimo> ogra_, oh so that one is happening?
[09:53] <ogra_> likely ....
[09:53] <janimo> it seemed it was vehiculated but not actually on the roadmap concretely
[09:53] <ogra_> depends how android will behave :)
[09:53] <janimo> using lxc?
[09:53] <ogra_> it currently blocks a lot
[09:53] <ogra_> no
[09:53]  * janimo hopes
[09:53] <ogra_> lxc needs recent kernels and patches on top
[09:54] <ogra_> that would break for all porters
[09:54] <janimo> ogra_, aren't all nexus kernels working with lxc?
[09:54] <ogra_> unless they are into kernel hacking a lot
[09:54] <ogra_> no
[09:54] <janimo> n4 does at least
[09:54] <ogra_> i think the newest kernel we have is 3.5
[09:54] <janimo> that is 3.4 though
[09:54] <janimo> rest are 3.0/3.1
[09:54] <ogra_> and there are features missing
[09:55] <ogra_> (proc namespace stuff afaik)
[09:55] <janimo> ogra_, kernel team backported overlayfs on grouper, cannot similar tasks be done for cgroups?
[09:55] <janimo> I mean picking a handmade solutions instead of what looks like the stadnard container becasue of legacy kernels
[09:55] <ogra_> i dont think we have a final idea yet, but it might be that we "just use" the android layer in the ubuntu rootfs ...
[09:55] <ogra_> without any container
[09:55] <hrw> I hate playing with my old packages
[09:55] <janimo> although I am not sure when more modern kernels start showing up in android devices
[09:56] <ogra_> liub paths are distinct already
[09:56] <ogra_> *lib
[09:56] <hrw> dpkg-source: info: local changes detected, the modified files are:
[09:56] <janimo> ogra_, no container may be even better indeed
[10:13] <hrw> can someone help me with "The source xf86-video-armsoc - 0.0+git20121019+rebdf1e3-0ubuntu2 is already accepted in ubuntu/raring" message? (upload goes to PPA) Raring has -0ubuntu1 only...
[10:13] <ogra_> there is a tarball that matches this version already
[10:15] <hrw> ok