[01:02] <AdonisK> Hey guyz, will ubuntu Gnome be released the same time as ubuntu?
[01:03] <darkxst> yes
[01:11] <darkxst> jbicha, have the media keys working now, but notifications are screwed
[01:18] <FearNotMan> Has anyone had any issues with 13.04 not seeing the mouse and keyboard?  My bootup gets past grub and then I can't use the mouse or keyboard.  It's definitely the install because mouse and keyboard and USB ports all work great under 12.10
[01:18] <FearNotMan> Tried reinstalling a few times, no change
[01:23] <darkxst> FearNotMan, does the kernel see the keyboard? ie can you switch to a VT ok?
[01:34] <darkxst> jbicha, actually notifications work on one system.
[01:55] <FearNotMan> darkxst, sorry for the delay.  no switching to a VT didn't work, so I don't think the kernel was seeing the keyboard.
[01:55] <darkxst> FearNotMan, try with a normal ubuntu image, and if that still doesnt work file a bug
[01:56] <FearNotMan> darkxst, ok will do.  Thanks!
[05:47] <darkxst> ricotz, did you ever test g-s-d with unity?
[05:48] <Ponch0> hey gnomies, is there an issue with the shut down button with a recent update or did I bring this on myself?
[05:51] <darkxst> Ponch0, should be fixed with systemd in staging
[05:52] <Ponch0> darkxst: Hey hru? Ok, I've been shutting down with command line, i'll check it out later.
[05:52] <Ponch0> I didn't have that issue til about 2 days ago
[05:52] <darkxst> Ponch0, was fallout from logind
[05:53] <Ponch0> oh ok thanks a bunch
[05:55] <ricotz> darkxst, i think i did once
[05:56] <darkxst> ricotz, .91 is totally broken, crashes (well shutdowns during startup)
[05:57] <darkxst> runs fine if I start it after logged in though ;(
[05:57] <ricotz> darkxst, was that before the logind stuff?
[05:58] <darkxst> ricotz, I didnt test it before logind
[06:00] <ricotz> i see, i will give it a try in a moment
[06:00] <Ponch0> and ubuntu software center is a hit or miss still crashes for the most part
[06:02] <Ponch0> "with SIGGSEV
[06:02] <Ponch0> "SIGSEGV"
[06:04] <Ponch0> 42 days now silly software center
[06:06] <darkxst> ricotz, g_dbus_connection_real_closed: Remote peer vanished with error: Underlying GIOStream returned 0 bytes on an async read (g-io-error-quark, 0). Exiting.
[06:26] <darkxst> ricotz, still crashes when built against ck, so proably not logind related since 3.6 runs fine
[06:28] <ricotz> darkxst, at least downgrade dbus too if you havent
[06:36] <apm1> the release will happen at what time today ?
[06:40] <darkxst> later!
[06:40] <Ponch0> woot woot
[06:41] <Ponch0> champagne
[06:41] <apm1> not just yet ?
[06:41] <apm1> i think we still have a few hours to go
[06:42] <darkxst> apm1, you can just grab the last daily if your impatient, wont be changing now
[06:42] <apm1> darkxst, i just heard someone the installer on it is borked ?
[06:43] <darkxst> apm1, the "install alongside" bug might not have been fixed, not sure though
[06:44] <apm1> i am gonna do a clean install so
[06:44] <apm1> maybe i'll just supress the urge and wit a few hours :p
[06:45] <apm1> *wait
[06:45] <darkxst> ok
[07:20] <darkxst> ricotz, I'm really out of ideas here, media keys should be fixed atleast (in my logind ppa). But no idea what is causing the crash on startup
[07:45] <darkxst> sgo11, for the shutdown bug syslog should have the answers
[07:47] <sgo11> darkxst, /var/log/syslog ? I will shutdown my machine with poweroff button today and check the log to see what will happen. I haven't used poweroff button for a long time since I have this issue. thanks a lot.
[07:52] <darkxst> yeh
[07:59] <ricotz> darkxst, media keys worked and working fine
[08:00] <ricotz> ah i guess you meant with unity
[08:00] <darkxst> ricotz, yes with unity
[08:01] <darkxst> they should be really broken with .91
[08:01] <darkxst> probably havent worked since .90
[08:03] <darkxst> I reverted the legacy key grabber, but only for unity
[09:27] <sgo11> darkxst, hi, I just reproduced the "can not shutdown with poweroff button" problem. can you please help me with that if you have time? thanks. The last msg I can find in syslog before this boot is "umount.ecryptfs_private: Failed to find key with sig [070acce8e67778227]: Apr 25 17:03:" Then I long press the "physical power button" to force shutdown.
[09:28] <sgo11> darkxst, does this mean umount.ecryptfs_private cause this problem? should I check some other lines in syslog? thanks.
[09:30] <darkxst> possible, but sorry I no idea about that, your best bet would be to file a bug
[09:30] <sgo11> darkxst, ok. thanks a lot. :)
[09:31] <sgo11> darkxst, where can I file this bug? Is this related to ubuntu or gnome-shell? thanks.
[09:31] <darkxst> ubuntu
[09:32] <darkxst> probably kernel, so 'ubuntu-bug linux'
[09:33] <sgo11> darkxst, ok. thanks. :)
[09:58] <sgo11> filed the bug. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1172650
[10:15] <darkxst> sgo11, you probably should attach full syslog to the report
[10:17] <sgo11> darkxst, ok. got it. will do that.
[10:17] <darkxst> apport should pick that stuff up, but apparently not in this case
[10:34] <SmarteX> hellp
[10:34] <SmarteX> heelo
[10:34] <SmarteX> *hello
[10:34] <SmarteX> no1 chattin?
[11:37] <Andy80> hi
[11:38] <Andy80> once I've Ubuntu 13.04 installed. What is the correct procedure to switch to Gnome desktop? I've found one but it's not updated (it refers to 12.04)
[11:39] <tommie-lie> Andy80: install ubuntu-gnome-desktop
[11:42] <Andy80> tommie-lie, no other packages needed?
[11:44] <tommie-lie> Andy80: yes, but ubuntu-gnome-desktop depends on them, so they are puled in automatically
[11:46] <tommie-lie> Andy80: but note that some Gnome applications are missing from ubuntu-gnome's default (I think gnumeric, abiword and Epiphany/Gnome Internet, which are replaced by LibreOffice and Firefox, respectively), if you also want them, you'll have to install them manually
[11:47] <tommie-lie> Andy80: e.g. by installing epiphany-browser
[11:47] <Andy80> tommie-lie, oh, no problem for them... I just want to replace Unity :)
[12:13] <camelinahat> morning
[12:14] <camelinahat> Heh apparently on the derivatives page (http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/derivatives) we're just listed as GNOME (not Ubuntu GNOME)
[12:16] <jbicha> camelinahat: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website-content/+filebug :)
[12:19] <camelinahat> filed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website-content/+bug/1172688
[12:19] <camelinahat> (show's private)
[12:21] <camelinahat> Do we have any release notes for this release?
[12:21] <darkxst> jbicha, so I fixed the media keys, but gsd is just really broken in a unity session
[12:22] <jbicha> camelinahat: just what people have added to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/ReleaseNotes
[12:25] <darkxst> jbicha, broken as in it dies on login, I cannot work out why
[12:25] <darkxst> this applies equally to .91
[12:27] <mgedmin> cool, 13.04 is out already?!
[12:27] <jbicha> darkxst: ok, that explains why the theming was broken on Unity then
[12:27] <darkxst> jbicha, basically :)
[12:29] <jbicha> camelinahat: I didn't write a release announcement this time yet but we probably should make one
[12:30] <camelinahat> jbicha, I'd be glad to help, do we have a previous one to use for reference/template?
[12:32] <jbicha> Kubuntu & Edubuntu's announcements are on Planet Ubuntu (but Kubuntu's it looks like you have to click through to see the whole thing)
[12:34] <jbicha> for 12.10 I just did https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/msg00050.html
[12:37] <darkxst> jbicha, really there should be a universal ban on dev's sending out these things ;)
[12:40] <camelinahat> darkxst, lol I'm not sure I'll be much better unfortunately haha
[12:40] <darkxst> camelinahat, sure you will!
[12:40] <jbicha> darkxst: :)
[12:49] <Guest67129> hi
[12:50] <camelinahat> jbicha, Should bug 1164592 be listed as a Known Issue?
[12:50] <camelinahat> Oh nevermind. I see it in the Raring Ringtail release notes.
[12:51] <Guest67129> any one nows how to build UBUNTU from source?
[12:52] <jbicha> I think the workaround for that is to use the advanced partitioner to resize the existing partition and a new ext4 / partition
[12:55] <jbicha> I see the Ubuntu release announcement pointed to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME
[12:57] <camelinahat> jbicha, Yeah I noticed that somewhere as well. Lots of locations to try to keep up to date.
[12:59] <jbicha> we could just clear that wiki page and point people to the website instead
[13:00] <darkxst> who the hell wrote the release notes? the last thing we need is
[13:00] <darkxst> "There are some additional GNOME 3.8 apps in the GNOME3 Staging PPA but these apps have known bugs, some of which are serious or critical bugs. "
[13:02] <camelinahat> darkxst, Not me. But to be honest I left the staging PPA out of the ones I'm working on at the moment. I did mention the primary gnome3 PPA but didn't reference staging at all (since it's discoverable on the gnome3 ppa but not necessarily 'standard' usage)
[13:02] <darkxst> camelinahat, that is from someone on the ubuntu team I guess, certainly not us
[13:03] <darkxst> or they just cut+paste shit from wherever who knows
[13:04] <camelinahat> Yep, that's why the 'Known issues' referencing Two sets of Online Accounts still shows the line "Hopefully for 13.04, we'll be able to use just one tool."
[13:05] <jbicha> darkxst: almost all of that stuff was written by me
[13:06] <jbicha> I'm happy to have other people do the writing ;)
[13:08] <jbicha> there, got rid of the hopefully line
[13:08] <jbicha> feel free to edit that page if you like
[13:13] <darkxst> jbicha, I don't think we should be advertising staging like that
[13:13] <darkxst> presumably a *lot* of people will read those release notes
[13:14] <jbicha> darkxst: on the other hand, a lot of people read websites that *do* mention staging without any caveats
[13:15] <jbicha> we could have a page on the website to talk about the PPAs instead
[13:15] <darkxst> jbicha, yes I know, a lot of people follow random instructions off blogs that involve 'sudo *'
[13:18] <camelinahat> Oh I agree if we're going to actively promote the GNOME3 PPA, we should definitely have a section of the site dedicated to explaining at least some of the basics (ie dist-upgrade very prominently displayed, etc)
[13:20] <darkxst> ok so we need a secret_staging ppa, but as soon as we do that it will get leaked on all the blogs!
[13:22] <camelinahat> darkxst, Oh yes, I've seen more than a few blogs saying 'make sure you use ricotz's testing ppa'
[13:22] <darkxst> camelinahat, lol
[13:23] <camelinahat> See: http://www.webupd8.org/2013/02/a-quick-look-at-new-gnome-classic.html
[13:25] <camelinahat> And even soe 'ask ubuntu' answers http://askubuntu.com/questions/210195/how-to-update-from-gnome-3-4-1-to-3-6 :(
[13:25] <camelinahat> *some
[13:25] <darkxst> I wonder, if we made a ppa called death_of_your_computer_guaranteed would that fix that problem
[13:26] <camelinahat> damn that's got to be a good one! Sign me up! ;0
[13:28] <darkxst> dput might need to grow auto-completion first, since that would be a pain to type for every upload!
[13:30] <camelinahat> jbicha, I've published a draft of some release notes here: http://ubuntugnome.org/ubuntu-gnome-13-04/ (it's private so you'll need to log in with your lp account to see it)
[13:33] <darkxst> camelinahat, just put the links straight in that page (rather than link to downloads page)
[13:34] <darkxst> maybe dot points for the what's new
[13:34] <darkxst> (bullets even)
[13:37] <darkxst> ppa-purge is incredibly broken in some cases, but lets not mention that
[13:39] <rich1974> it has only 9 month support, isn't it?
[13:39] <camelinahat> Okay added those edits, plus a link to the Ubuntu Release Notes as well.
[13:39] <darkxst> rich1974, yes
[13:41] <rich1974> for the moment, i installed gnome shell over 12.04 from USCenter...works pretty fine.
[13:42] <rich1974> but i get 9 fps vs 13 fps in unity. i am talking about stellarium
[13:42] <forage> I'm probably not the first, and I probably wont be the last to ask: what's the recommended way to upgrade from UbuntuGnome 12.10 to 13.04? Just like you would upgrade plain Ubuntu?
[13:42] <darkxst> forage, just run update-manager
[13:43] <forage> ok, just like plain ubuntu
[13:43] <forage> ty
[13:43] <darkxst> rich1974, either result seems useless really, you can't play games at 13fps even
[13:44] <rich1974> i am not a gamer, i wounder myself why is that diffrence
[13:45] <forage> just wondering, would I be missing out on something if I upgrade instead of reinstalling?
[13:45] <rich1974> i have a ati x1270 (rs690) dell inspiron 1521
[13:46] <darkxst> rich1974, and i wonder what is stellarium
[13:46] <rich1974> stellarium is a planetarium app. it is like a game...
[13:46] <darkxst> forage, no, maybe you would save a few MB of disk space, but other upgrade is fine
[13:47] <darkxst> rich1974, OSS drivers or catalyst?
[13:47] <forage> ok, cool. I sure hope GDM will become functional again
[13:48] <forage> otherwise it'll still be a reinstall
[13:48] <rich1974> it woud be a great idea to add a feature that we can upgrade from liveUSB. no, open-source driver, i had no support from amd anymore.
[13:48] <darkxst> forage, gdm should have been functional since like last release
[13:49] <rich1974> my laptop is from 2008
[13:49] <forage> darkxst: it isn't for me, I broke it somehow :-D https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/1169640
[13:49] <darkxst> forage, of course there was the locale bug, if you installed of beta 2 (or daily's prior to that)
[13:50] <darkxst> forage, can't do much without logs!
[13:50] <forage> what logs would you like?
[13:50] <darkxst> but check your /etc/default/locale file
[13:51] <forage> what would that file have to do with it?
[13:51] <darkxst> look for LC_* lines, that don't include UTF-8
[13:51] <forage> ah
[13:51] <forage> all fine here
[13:52] <forage> it's a GDM issue in combination with upstart in my case
[13:52] <darkxst> ok
[13:52] <darkxst> reinstall is unlikely to help there
[13:53] <forage> it will if it's a clean reinstall, but I sure would like to prevent that
[13:54] <darkxst> well no more likley than an upgrade
[13:55] <darkxst> unless one of the configuration files is corrupted
[13:55] <forage> by clean reinstall I mean getting rid of the home folder
[13:56] <forage> complete disk wipe
[13:58] <forage> but if you can help out with getting gdm up and running again I would really appreciate the help
[13:58] <forage> it "just" stopt working, failing to start automatically. Launching it manually as root does work
[13:59] <forage> stopped
[14:53] <jbicha> camelinahat: thanks for sending out the announcement
[14:53] <jbicha> could you unprivate the website bug so I can follow it?
[14:56] <camelinahat> jbicha, Yep, sorry about that. Done. Bug 1172688 and every look alright with the annoucement?
[16:50] <sweeze> looking at the raring ppa + staging ppa, looks like a small # of packages are still at 3.7.x... is that something that causes problems?  will they be brought up to 3.8.x versions soon-ish?
[17:09] <blok_> hey all, having some issues with the new release
[17:09] <jbicha> sweeze: generally that's either because the difference from 3.7.92 to 3.8.0 was minimal, or because no one has done the work to package the new version and test it
[17:09] <blok_> live cd works great, but after install i get no usb or nic drivers
[17:13] <jbicha> blok_: that sounds to me like a kernel problem, you can run ubuntu-bug linux to report it
[17:14] <awochna_> Is there an upgrade path from the old, unofficial Ubuntu Gnome (12.10) to the shiny new 13.04 official one?
[17:16] <fluo75> Hi all ;)
[17:18] <fluo75> The live DVD/Installation disk of U-G 13.04 crashes  for me almost from the start (just after "grub"), what can i do to help find the bug?
[17:44] <Lsf_lf> @developer, great version, thanks for doing … :-)
[19:39] <camelinahat> I've got to head out for the day. Later folks. Congrats on the first full (official) release :)
[20:44] <SonikkuAmerica> Hooray! 13.04!
[21:04] <HadiM> hi
[21:04] <HadiM> anyone got trouble with gnome terminal settings (such as background color for example) ???
[21:04] <HadiM> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/1172209