[01:02] Hey guyz, will ubuntu Gnome be released the same time as ubuntu? [01:03] yes [01:11] jbicha, have the media keys working now, but notifications are screwed [01:18] Has anyone had any issues with 13.04 not seeing the mouse and keyboard? My bootup gets past grub and then I can't use the mouse or keyboard. It's definitely the install because mouse and keyboard and USB ports all work great under 12.10 [01:18] Tried reinstalling a few times, no change [01:23] FearNotMan, does the kernel see the keyboard? ie can you switch to a VT ok? [01:34] jbicha, actually notifications work on one system. [01:55] darkxst, sorry for the delay. no switching to a VT didn't work, so I don't think the kernel was seeing the keyboard. [01:55] FearNotMan, try with a normal ubuntu image, and if that still doesnt work file a bug [01:56] darkxst, ok will do. Thanks! [05:47] ricotz, did you ever test g-s-d with unity? [05:48] hey gnomies, is there an issue with the shut down button with a recent update or did I bring this on myself? [05:51] Ponch0, should be fixed with systemd in staging [05:52] darkxst: Hey hru? Ok, I've been shutting down with command line, i'll check it out later. [05:52] I didn't have that issue til about 2 days ago [05:52] Ponch0, was fallout from logind [05:53] oh ok thanks a bunch [05:55] darkxst, i think i did once [05:56] ricotz, .91 is totally broken, crashes (well shutdowns during startup) [05:57] runs fine if I start it after logged in though ;( [05:57] darkxst, was that before the logind stuff? [05:58] ricotz, I didnt test it before logind [06:00] i see, i will give it a try in a moment [06:00] and ubuntu software center is a hit or miss still crashes for the most part [06:02] "with SIGGSEV [06:02] "SIGSEGV" [06:04] 42 days now silly software center [06:06] ricotz, g_dbus_connection_real_closed: Remote peer vanished with error: Underlying GIOStream returned 0 bytes on an async read (g-io-error-quark, 0). Exiting. [06:26] ricotz, still crashes when built against ck, so proably not logind related since 3.6 runs fine [06:28] darkxst, at least downgrade dbus too if you havent [06:36] the release will happen at what time today ? [06:40] later! [06:40] woot woot [06:41] champagne [06:41] not just yet ? [06:41] i think we still have a few hours to go [06:42] apm1, you can just grab the last daily if your impatient, wont be changing now [06:42] darkxst, i just heard someone the installer on it is borked ? [06:43] apm1, the "install alongside" bug might not have been fixed, not sure though [06:44] i am gonna do a clean install so [06:44] maybe i'll just supress the urge and wit a few hours :p [06:45] *wait [06:45] ok [07:20] ricotz, I'm really out of ideas here, media keys should be fixed atleast (in my logind ppa). But no idea what is causing the crash on startup [07:45] sgo11, for the shutdown bug syslog should have the answers [07:47] darkxst, /var/log/syslog ? I will shutdown my machine with poweroff button today and check the log to see what will happen. I haven't used poweroff button for a long time since I have this issue. thanks a lot. [07:52] yeh [07:59] darkxst, media keys worked and working fine [08:00] ah i guess you meant with unity [08:00] ricotz, yes with unity [08:01] they should be really broken with .91 [08:01] probably havent worked since .90 [08:03] I reverted the legacy key grabber, but only for unity [09:27] darkxst, hi, I just reproduced the "can not shutdown with poweroff button" problem. can you please help me with that if you have time? thanks. The last msg I can find in syslog before this boot is "umount.ecryptfs_private: Failed to find key with sig [070acce8e67778227]: Apr 25 17:03:" Then I long press the "physical power button" to force shutdown. [09:28] darkxst, does this mean umount.ecryptfs_private cause this problem? should I check some other lines in syslog? thanks. [09:30] possible, but sorry I no idea about that, your best bet would be to file a bug [09:30] darkxst, ok. thanks a lot. :) [09:31] darkxst, where can I file this bug? Is this related to ubuntu or gnome-shell? thanks. [09:31] ubuntu [09:32] probably kernel, so 'ubuntu-bug linux' [09:33] darkxst, ok. thanks. :) [09:58] filed the bug. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1172650 [09:58] Launchpad bug 1172650 in linux (Ubuntu) "System can not be powered off (randomly)" [Undecided,New] [10:15] sgo11, you probably should attach full syslog to the report [10:17] darkxst, ok. got it. will do that. [10:17] apport should pick that stuff up, but apparently not in this case [10:34] hellp [10:34] heelo [10:34] *hello [10:34] no1 chattin? [11:37] hi [11:38] once I've Ubuntu 13.04 installed. What is the correct procedure to switch to Gnome desktop? I've found one but it's not updated (it refers to 12.04) === derWachert|BNC is now known as derWachert [11:39] Andy80: install ubuntu-gnome-desktop [11:42] tommie-lie, no other packages needed? [11:44] Andy80: yes, but ubuntu-gnome-desktop depends on them, so they are puled in automatically [11:46] Andy80: but note that some Gnome applications are missing from ubuntu-gnome's default (I think gnumeric, abiword and Epiphany/Gnome Internet, which are replaced by LibreOffice and Firefox, respectively), if you also want them, you'll have to install them manually [11:47] Andy80: e.g. by installing epiphany-browser [11:47] tommie-lie, oh, no problem for them... I just want to replace Unity :) [12:13] morning === derWachert is now known as derWachert|BNC [12:14] Heh apparently on the derivatives page (http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/derivatives) we're just listed as GNOME (not Ubuntu GNOME) === derWachert|BNC is now known as derWachert [12:16] camelinahat: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website-content/+filebug :) [12:19] filed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website-content/+bug/1172688 [12:19] Error: launchpad bug 1172688 not found [12:19] (show's private) [12:21] Do we have any release notes for this release? [12:21] jbicha, so I fixed the media keys, but gsd is just really broken in a unity session [12:22] camelinahat: just what people have added to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/ReleaseNotes [12:25] jbicha, broken as in it dies on login, I cannot work out why [12:25] this applies equally to .91 === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-gnome to: Ubuntu GNOME Development & Support | Our first official release, 13.04 has been released! Download from http://ubuntugnome.org/download/ | Pastes to http://paste.ubuntu.com | http://ubuntugnome.org/community/ [12:27] cool, 13.04 is out already?! [12:27] darkxst: ok, that explains why the theming was broken on Unity then [12:27] jbicha, basically :) === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-gnome to: Ubuntu GNOME Development & Support | Our first official release, 13.04 is available now! Download from http://ubuntugnome.org/download/ | Pastes to http://paste.ubuntu.com | http://ubuntugnome.org/community/ [12:29] camelinahat: I didn't write a release announcement this time yet but we probably should make one [12:30] jbicha, I'd be glad to help, do we have a previous one to use for reference/template? [12:32] Kubuntu & Edubuntu's announcements are on Planet Ubuntu (but Kubuntu's it looks like you have to click through to see the whole thing) [12:34] for 12.10 I just did https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/msg00050.html [12:37] jbicha, really there should be a universal ban on dev's sending out these things ;) [12:40] darkxst, lol I'm not sure I'll be much better unfortunately haha [12:40] camelinahat, sure you will! [12:40] darkxst: :) === Rahul is now known as Guest67129 [12:49] hi [12:50] jbicha, Should bug 1164592 be listed as a Known Issue? [12:50] bug 1164592 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Ubiquity freezes in Install Alongside screen" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1164592 [12:50] Oh nevermind. I see it in the Raring Ringtail release notes. [12:51] any one nows how to build UBUNTU from source? [12:52] I think the workaround for that is to use the advanced partitioner to resize the existing partition and a new ext4 / partition [12:55] I see the Ubuntu release announcement pointed to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME [12:57] jbicha, Yeah I noticed that somewhere as well. Lots of locations to try to keep up to date. [12:59] we could just clear that wiki page and point people to the website instead [13:00] who the hell wrote the release notes? the last thing we need is [13:00] "There are some additional GNOME 3.8 apps in the GNOME3 Staging PPA but these apps have known bugs, some of which are serious or critical bugs. " [13:02] darkxst, Not me. But to be honest I left the staging PPA out of the ones I'm working on at the moment. I did mention the primary gnome3 PPA but didn't reference staging at all (since it's discoverable on the gnome3 ppa but not necessarily 'standard' usage) [13:02] camelinahat, that is from someone on the ubuntu team I guess, certainly not us [13:03] or they just cut+paste shit from wherever who knows [13:04] Yep, that's why the 'Known issues' referencing Two sets of Online Accounts still shows the line "Hopefully for 13.04, we'll be able to use just one tool." [13:05] darkxst: almost all of that stuff was written by me [13:06] I'm happy to have other people do the writing ;) [13:08] there, got rid of the hopefully line [13:08] feel free to edit that page if you like [13:13] jbicha, I don't think we should be advertising staging like that [13:13] presumably a *lot* of people will read those release notes [13:14] darkxst: on the other hand, a lot of people read websites that *do* mention staging without any caveats [13:15] we could have a page on the website to talk about the PPAs instead [13:15] jbicha, yes I know, a lot of people follow random instructions off blogs that involve 'sudo *' [13:18] Oh I agree if we're going to actively promote the GNOME3 PPA, we should definitely have a section of the site dedicated to explaining at least some of the basics (ie dist-upgrade very prominently displayed, etc) [13:20] ok so we need a secret_staging ppa, but as soon as we do that it will get leaked on all the blogs! [13:22] darkxst, Oh yes, I've seen more than a few blogs saying 'make sure you use ricotz's testing ppa' [13:22] camelinahat, lol [13:23] See: http://www.webupd8.org/2013/02/a-quick-look-at-new-gnome-classic.html [13:25] And even soe 'ask ubuntu' answers http://askubuntu.com/questions/210195/how-to-update-from-gnome-3-4-1-to-3-6 :( [13:25] *some [13:25] I wonder, if we made a ppa called death_of_your_computer_guaranteed would that fix that problem [13:26] damn that's got to be a good one! Sign me up! ;0 [13:28] dput might need to grow auto-completion first, since that would be a pain to type for every upload! [13:30] jbicha, I've published a draft of some release notes here: http://ubuntugnome.org/ubuntu-gnome-13-04/ (it's private so you'll need to log in with your lp account to see it) [13:33] camelinahat, just put the links straight in that page (rather than link to downloads page) [13:34] maybe dot points for the what's new [13:34] (bullets even) [13:37] ppa-purge is incredibly broken in some cases, but lets not mention that [13:39] it has only 9 month support, isn't it? [13:39] Okay added those edits, plus a link to the Ubuntu Release Notes as well. [13:39] rich1974, yes [13:41] for the moment, i installed gnome shell over 12.04 from USCenter...works pretty fine. [13:42] but i get 9 fps vs 13 fps in unity. i am talking about stellarium [13:42] I'm probably not the first, and I probably wont be the last to ask: what's the recommended way to upgrade from UbuntuGnome 12.10 to 13.04? Just like you would upgrade plain Ubuntu? [13:42] forage, just run update-manager [13:43] ok, just like plain ubuntu [13:43] ty [13:43] rich1974, either result seems useless really, you can't play games at 13fps even [13:44] i am not a gamer, i wounder myself why is that diffrence [13:45] just wondering, would I be missing out on something if I upgrade instead of reinstalling? [13:45] i have a ati x1270 (rs690) dell inspiron 1521 [13:46] rich1974, and i wonder what is stellarium [13:46] stellarium is a planetarium app. it is like a game... [13:46] forage, no, maybe you would save a few MB of disk space, but other upgrade is fine [13:47] rich1974, OSS drivers or catalyst? [13:47] ok, cool. I sure hope GDM will become functional again [13:48] otherwise it'll still be a reinstall [13:48] it woud be a great idea to add a feature that we can upgrade from liveUSB. no, open-source driver, i had no support from amd anymore. [13:48] forage, gdm should have been functional since like last release [13:49] my laptop is from 2008 [13:49] darkxst: it isn't for me, I broke it somehow :-D https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/1169640 [13:49] Launchpad bug 1169640 in gdm (Ubuntu) "GDM fails to start after system crash" [Undecided,New] [13:49] forage, of course there was the locale bug, if you installed of beta 2 (or daily's prior to that) [13:50] forage, can't do much without logs! [13:50] what logs would you like? [13:50] but check your /etc/default/locale file [13:51] what would that file have to do with it? [13:51] look for LC_* lines, that don't include UTF-8 [13:51] ah [13:51] all fine here [13:52] it's a GDM issue in combination with upstart in my case [13:52] ok [13:52] reinstall is unlikely to help there [13:53] it will if it's a clean reinstall, but I sure would like to prevent that [13:54] well no more likley than an upgrade [13:55] unless one of the configuration files is corrupted [13:55] by clean reinstall I mean getting rid of the home folder [13:56] complete disk wipe === derWachert is now known as derWachert|BNC [13:58] but if you can help out with getting gdm up and running again I would really appreciate the help === derWachert|BNC is now known as derWachert [13:58] it "just" stopt working, failing to start automatically. Launching it manually as root does work [13:59] stopped === phunyguy_ is now known as phunyguy [14:53] camelinahat: thanks for sending out the announcement [14:53] could you unprivate the website bug so I can follow it? [14:56] jbicha, Yep, sorry about that. Done. Bug 1172688 and every look alright with the annoucement? [14:56] bug 1172688 in ubuntu-website-content "Ubuntu GNOME derivative listed incorrectly as just GNOME" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1172688 === derWachert is now known as derWachert|BNC === derWachert|BNC is now known as derWachert === derWachert is now known as derWachert|BNC [16:50] looking at the raring ppa + staging ppa, looks like a small # of packages are still at 3.7.x... is that something that causes problems? will they be brought up to 3.8.x versions soon-ish? === derWachert|BNC is now known as derWachert === derWachert is now known as derWachert|BNC [17:09] hey all, having some issues with the new release [17:09] sweeze: generally that's either because the difference from 3.7.92 to 3.8.0 was minimal, or because no one has done the work to package the new version and test it [17:09] live cd works great, but after install i get no usb or nic drivers [17:13] blok_: that sounds to me like a kernel problem, you can run ubuntu-bug linux to report it [17:14] Is there an upgrade path from the old, unofficial Ubuntu Gnome (12.10) to the shiny new 13.04 official one? [17:16] Hi all ;) [17:18] The live DVD/Installation disk of U-G 13.04 crashes for me almost from the start (just after "grub"), what can i do to help find the bug? [17:44] @developer, great version, thanks for doing … :-) === Jacob_ is now known as Guest10045 [19:39] I've got to head out for the day. Later folks. Congrats on the first full (official) release :) [20:44] Hooray! 13.04! [21:04] hi [21:04] anyone got trouble with gnome terminal settings (such as background color for example) ??? [21:04] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/1172209 [21:04] Launchpad bug 1172209 in Ubuntu GNOME "gnome terminal settings not applied" [Undecided,New]