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plarsso are we still expecting a respin on ubuntu-desktop?01:10
Riddellplars: iso tracker says no01:17
plarshmm, I got the impression earlier that all desktops were respinning, maybe not?01:18
ScottKinfinity, slangasek, somebody: When's the cutoff for Universe/unseeded uploads?02:27
ScottK"soon" seems good.02:27
balloonsfyi ubuntu server & maas install failure, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/117256603:38
ubot2Launchpad bug 1172566 in debian-installer (Ubuntu) "MAAS Server install fails when network is disconnected" [Undecided,New]03:38
plarsJust hit bug #1172572 - seems to be an odd corner case, didn't seem to cause any problem so far, if I go back and forward again it clears up04:34
ubot2Launchpad bug 1172572 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "No option to continue from install type screen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117257204:34
plarsballoons: networkless may be a bit of a strange case for maas server :)04:35
JackYumorning, everyone:)05:10
ScottK ^^^ is my sync, so someone else please review.05:17
vibhavFrozen for release == Final Freeze, right?05:24
JackYuvibhav, I think there could be 'Frozen for final release', 'Frozen for Beta release'...05:42
vibhavJackYu: Yeah, that could be better, though I prefer the phrase "Final Freeze"05:45
JackYuvibhav, I agree.05:47
jamespagecjwatson, thanks for those bug reports06:32
diwicHi, I think we need to release note bug 1169984. How do I help out with that?06:40
ubot2Launchpad bug 1169984 in linux (Ubuntu Raring) "Either oops or opening device fails with -ENODEV, with HDMI audio" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/116998406:40
stgrabergood morning07:01
infinityScottK: The cutoff is "really effin' soon" but, honestly, until I mark it stable in LP, there's nothing stopping us from accepting and building stuff, since it's in -proposed anyway, we can toss it out if it doesn't make it.07:47
infinityScottK: (or carry it to S)07:47
pgranerDaviey, can you review the bugs on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/269/builds/42960/testcases/1461/results  and nominate for release notes etc..07:55
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cjwatsoncdimage mirror syncing disabled08:12
pgranerapw, http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/269/builds/42960/testcases/1461/results08:16
Laneycan we still unblock stuff?08:17
cjwatsonLaney: Yeah, for an hour or so08:22
xnoxKylin not tested...08:24
Laneycjwatson: ok, so autopostgresqlbackup (what a mouthful). don't know about cinder/nova; they aren't on media ...08:24
cjwatsoninfinity was going to look at those two this morning08:25
Laneycinder doesn't matter so much08:25
cjwatsonxnox: They were going to get to it this morning Beijing time ...08:28
cjwatsonJackYu: Any news on UbuntuKylin image testing?08:28
pgranerapw, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/TechnicalOverview08:31
xnoxcjwatson: JackYu: all Kylin got all testing into the iso tracker.08:46
xnoxnow. just mark as ready left I guess.08:47
cjwatsonAh, good08:47
bkerensapgraner: more credits should be trickling in... I think we are just waiting on Developers list08:49
cjwatsonRiddell: Do you have any more details on the Kubuntu ubiquity failure on powerpc?  The original logs in that bug relate to an X bug that should have been fixed08:51
cjwatsonSorry, I mean armhf+omap408:52
cjwatsonbug 116423908:52
ubot2Launchpad bug 1164239 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity does not start on kubuntu 13.04 arm image" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/116423908:52
highvoltagestgraber: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/TechnicalOverview isn't frozen yet right? (just want to file and add a bug)08:55
stgraberhighvoltage: AFAIK it's still editable08:55
cjwatsonNo reason it shouldn't be, indeed08:55
pgranerbkerensa, ack, just keep updating08:57
highvoltageother flavours should probably go ahead and update too, they're sections are a bit bare (perhaps they just have no issues :p)08:57
pgranerhighvoltage, yes it is08:58
highvoltageis ubuntu having monthly releases soon? I see there's ubuntu-13.05, ubuntu-13.06, ubuntu-13.07 on launchpad. or was that just a premature addition based on rolling release / monthly release discussions?09:00
cjwatsonmilestones not releases09:00
cjwatsonbasically for planning09:01
cjwatsonand no, not premature, it followed all the TB discussions about that09:01
infinityRiddell, highvoltage, knome, phillw, zequence: Do you have URLs to separate release announcements that we can link from ours?  (Same URLs as last time, but s/12.10/13.04/?)09:03
gemastgraber: we need to remove one test case from the server upgrade list, upgrade (image) which is not valid anymore, this is for i386 and amd6409:03
gemastgraber: I am trying to find it on the admin ui, but haven't had luck yet09:04
highvoltageinfinity: correct09:04
cjwatsongema: was never valid in the first place :)09:04
xnoxpgraner: added release note to the description of bug 117200209:04
ubot2Launchpad bug 1172002 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Install doesn't mount encrypted swap for reinstall" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117200209:04
stgrabergema: ok, I'll kill it09:04
cjwatsonat least not in the form given in that testcase description09:05
highvoltageinfinity: http://edubuntu.org/news/13.04-release09:05
stgrabergema: ah, that'd be because the server upgrades are using the "Desktop upgrade" testsuite ;)09:05
highvoltage(not published yet, but that's the URL)09:05
stgrabergema: I'll create you a new Server upgrade testsuite09:05
cjwatsonstgraber: You shouldn't need to09:06
cjwatsonstgraber: There's no way to upgrade from the server images themselves09:06
cjwatsonstgraber: I think what happened is that, when the cdromupgrade script went away, somebody thought "oh, image upgrades don't work any more, flail" and replaced with the desktop image upgrade instructions09:06
cjwatsonstgraber: But that case should just have been removed since squashfs-base broke that use case09:06
cjwatson(And it was never a very important use case anyway - networkless server upgrades, really? :-) )09:07
gemastgraber: sounds good09:07
stgrabergema: done09:07
DavieyPlease can nova and cinder be ublocked please.  I do not have a hints file.09:08
infinityJackYu: Do you have a release announcement, or a web page you want us to reference in our generic release announcement?09:08
infinityDaviey: Already done.09:08
gemastgraber: that's awesome, you even kept the results, thanks!09:08
stgrabercjwatson: right. We no longer have any CD/offline based upgrades for server, but I still needed a "Server upgrade" testsuite to list the online upgrade of server systems (standard do-release-upgrade -d)09:08
cjwatsonstgraber: There was already a separate test case for that, though09:08
Davieyinfinity: oh, thanks.09:09
cjwatson"Upgrade" vs. "Upgrade (image)"09:09
cjwatsonAnd "Upgrade" already had the do-release-upgrade thing09:09
stgrabergema: results are tied to the testcase, not the testsuite, so I can indeed change the testsuite completely without loosing results09:09
gemastgraber: cool09:09
cjwatsonOh, wait - OK, it does say "update-manager -d -c"09:09
cjwatsonSo, yeah, that probably wants to be split09:09
* ogra_ never got why we have that command distinction09:10
stgrabercjwatson: Correct, but the "Upgrade" + "Upgrade (image)" combo was coming from the "Upgrade desktop" testsuite, so I had to create a new "Upgrade server" testsuite for the server products that only contains the "Upgrade" testcase09:10
cjwatsonAh, right09:10
gemastgraber: and we may add more test cases in the future09:10
gemathe split makes a lot of sense09:10
stgraberballoons: can you update http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1310/info to also cover server upgrades (it says update-manager currently but should also say apt-get update/apt-get dist-upgrade and do-release-upgrade for servers)?09:11
stgraberballoons: if you prefer to create a separate testscase that's fine too but then you'll have to let me know so I can migrate the results before we switch09:12
phillwinfinity: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/ReleaseNotes/Lubuntu09:12
gemaballoons, stgraber: I think a new test case is in order09:14
gemathey are different results after all09:14
infinityphillw: Announcement, not notes.09:17
infinityphillw: ie: last time, you had http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Announcement/12.1009:17
infinityphillw: So, same thing, but 13.04, I'm guessing, since that's already there?09:18
infinityJackYu: Does Kylin have a release announcement I can link to?09:20
phillwinfinity: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Announcement/13.04 :)09:20
JackYuinfinity: Pls see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuKylin/1304-ReleaseNotes, we are still preparing.09:24
knomeinfinity, http://xubuntu.org/news/13-04-release for us09:27
smartboyhwzequence: Do you have the Studio announcement link for infinity?09:28
cjwatsonsource images might be almost working ...09:30
cjwatsongoing to have to start publishing other images soon but I'll finish this first09:30
Davieyinfinity: maybe i'm mistaken, but nova and cinder still seem in proposed?09:31
cjwatsonThey're mid-publish, I think09:32
cjwatsonYeah, the publisher literally just started writing them into release09:33
Davieyah, ok.09:33
cjwatsonBut I'll keep an eye on it and make sure that finishes09:34
infinityJackYu: /win 22409:34
infinityI suck at IRC.09:35
* cjwatson is slightly spooked by only about 1.5 source CDs coming out - wonder if something's up there09:36
zequenceinfinity: Link to Ubuntu Studio release notes http://ubuntustudio.org/?p=71909:37
infinityzequence: s/Notes/Announcement/?09:38
cjwatsonSorry, DVDs not CDs09:38
zequenceinfinity: Ah, ok. Let me create a page for it :)09:38
infinityzequence: Since your notes seem to be at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/UbuntuStudio09:38
cjwatsonIt was about 2.5 for quantal09:38
infinityzequence: I'm okay linking to the notes.09:38
infinityzequence: Would you prefer I link to your studio.org link above, or straight to the wiki?09:39
psivaastgraber: would you mind having a look at one of the VM's in aldebaran, utah-8063-raring-amd64 please. most of the vms with the latest image get stuck during reboot with ' Casper is resyncing snapshots and caching reboot files' on the console.09:40
psivaai tried with an older image and this issue is not occurring with the old image09:41
zequenceinfinity: This would be better http://ubuntustudio.org/?p=72609:41
infinityzequence: I asusme that won't be a 404 soon? :P09:41
stgraberpsivaa: what happen if you press enter?09:41
psivaastgraber: yes sorry if i press enter that reboots fine09:42
psivaastgraber: for every machine i have to press enter for a reboot09:42
zequenceinfinity: The link is good09:42
infinityzequence: Alright.  I assume it's just hidden or something?  I'll take your word for it. :)09:43
stgraberpsivaa: which is expected no? the fact that the message itself doesn't show up can be explained by some driver weirdness (I need to use the vmvga driver here to get working plymouth)09:43
stgraberpsivaa: oh crap, I think I see what you mean. If you preseed the reboot flag the machine won't reboot...09:45
psivaastgraber: yes exactly, and it appears only with the new images, because the older ones with the same setup worked09:45
psivaai mean older image09:46
stgraberpsivaa: yep, I see why, I definitely messed up that part...09:46
stgrabercjwatson, infinity: ^09:46
stgraberwe need: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5600566/09:47
stgraberotherwise even if the message isn't shown when $prompt is unset, we're still waiting for the keystroke09:47
cjwatsonCould you write up a release note?09:47
stgraberI need to think of a workaround first, that doesn't involve someone manually pressing enter...09:48
psivaastgraber: i'll report a bug for that then09:48
stgraberpsivaa: yes, please (against casper)09:49
cjwatsonWorst case: late_command hack?09:49
cjwatson(Or equiv)09:49
psivaastgraber: ack09:49
stgrabercjwatson: yeah, I've reading through the init script a few more times and there's no way to easily abuse it. So I'll come up with a sed command to fix it and tell people to run that at some point during the install (like late_command) to fix it09:51
stgrabercjwatson: I guess we could get that into raring-updates now so that anyone generating images based on Ubuntu gets the fix at least?09:52
cjwatsonShame, but at least it's possible09:52
stgraberpsivaa: ping me when you've got the bug number09:52
psivaastgraber: sure09:53
stgrabersed "/eject -p -m/ a\\\n    [ \"\$prompt\" ] || return 0" /etc/init.d/casper09:57
stgraberpretty isn't it? :)09:57
psivaastgraber: bug 1172653 is opened for that. and thanks for the debug :)09:57
ubot2Launchpad bug 1172653 in casper (Ubuntu) "Preseeded installations do not complete reboot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117265309:57
stgraberpsivaa: can you test the workaround on one of your machine?09:57
stgraberpsivaa: basically run: sed "/eject -p -m/ a\\\n    [ \"\$prompt\" ] || return 0" /etc/init.d/casper09:58
stgraberpsivaa: as late_command or early_command (doesn't matter when it's run)09:58
stgraberthat should make the reboot work09:58
cjwatsonyou're missing -i09:59
psivaastgraber: sure09:59
stgrabercjwatson: indeed I am, thanks09:59
stgraberpsivaa: sed -i "/eject -p -m/ a\\\n    [ \"\$prompt\" ] || return 0" /etc/init.d/casper09:59
psivaastgraber: ack09:59
cjwatsonWould this be easier to read:10:01
cjwatsonsed -i 's/eject -p -m.*/&; [ "$prompt" ] || return 0/' /etc/init.d/casper10:01
stgrabercjwatson: yep, easier to read and less likely to explode in people's shell scripts10:03
stgraberit doesn't have give you the exact same file as the one in the casper update (which mine was doing) but we hardly care ;)10:03
cjwatsonDaviey: nova and cinder are in the release pocket now10:03
cjwatsonthough apparently still in -proposed too which is slightly odd, but I think that'll just take another publisher run10:04
Laneypublishinghistory for them looks right anyway10:05
stgrabercasper uploaded, taking care of the release notes now10:05
cjwatsonHow far from ready is Xubuntu?10:09
cjwatsonAlso the rest of Kubuntu10:09
cjwatsonI'm getting pretty close to the point where I'm going to publish anyway and we release-note the things that haven't been tested; it's easier to withdraw the images later10:10
cjwatson(Because otherwise the dailies get garbage-collected)10:10
knomecjwatson, ok to release xubuntu10:11
* cjwatson finally gets source images roughly working10:12
cjwatsonknome: thanks10:12
cjwatsonI've marked that on iso.qa10:12
phillwcjwatson: ppc-server image is being checked now for 'does it install'. We don't have the required hardware to do the more "esoteric" tests.10:15
phillwcjwatson: the recursive bug is well known & documented, that is just release note worthy.10:17
knomethat happens to me as well... is there a workaround?10:18
phillwknome: the sad saga is listed at http://launchpad.net/bugs/106643510:18
ubot2Launchpad bug 1066435 in linux (Ubuntu) "powerpc: "Fixing recursive fault but reboot is needed!"" [High,Confirmed]10:18
phillwit's been around for a while now.10:19
knomei don't have a ppc though...10:19
phillwknome: then I'm not familiar with your issue, sorry.10:19
knomeokay :)10:19
phillwbut, do have a read of the bug and see if it gives you any pointers10:20
knomei read a similar one that pointed to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/UpgradingAlsa/DKMS10:21
knomephillw, bug 116998410:22
ubot2Launchpad bug 1169984 in linux (Ubuntu Raring) "Either oops or opening device fails with -ENODEV, with HDMI audio" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/116998410:22
knomebut i'm not sure if that's my bug either10:22
knomei can simply get around it by hard rebooting10:22
psivaastgraber: cjwatson: the reboot worked fine with sed -i 's/eject -p -m.*/&; [ "$prompt" ] || return 0/' /etc/init.d/casper being the late_command10:23
cjwatsonOK, good10:24
stgraberpsivaa: cool. I've added that to the release notes.10:24
psivaastgraber: ack10:24
phillwinfinity: do you have the link to ubuntu release notes to hand?10:25
infinityphillw: The final link, or the current location?10:25
phillwthe final link, just so I can check it ours :)10:26
infinityphillw: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/TechnicalOverview will be moving to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/ReleaseNotes shortly.10:26
MissValeskaIs 13.04 out yet?10:37
stgraberMissValeska: wrong channel10:37
smartboyhwGo to #ubuntu-release-party plz10:37
MissValeskaThank you ^-^10:37
cjwatsonDaviey: (a) Sorry I was somewhat on the tetchy side last night (b) Do you know if anyone's available shortly to do cloud image publishing?  I think we forgot to give the Americans advance notice of planned release times ...10:39
cjwatsonrelease team: please don't unblock anything else10:41
Davieycjwatson: Yes, I should apologise aswell.  I was unusually sensitive.10:41
cjwatsonStress does that :-/10:41
Davieycjwatson: I think i've done it before, but i am worried it has changed since.  I'd rather wait for smoser who should be around shortly-ish10:41
phillwI'll be AFK for approx 90 mins10:42
cjwatsonOK.  cdimage is syncing out now10:42
cjwatsonWe do nominally have instructions on ReleaseProcess but they date from maverick10:42
cjwatsonAnd I too generally prefer not to guess ...10:42
DavieyI'll work with utlemming and smoser to get the instructions refreshed10:43
ogra_Riddell, i cant really belive that bug 1172552 and bug 1164239 are the same bug .... the latter one was an xserver issue that was fixed by mlankhorst right after beta (and the images work fine with unity since then)10:46
ubot2Launchpad bug 1164239 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1172552 ubiquity does not start on kubuntu 13.04 arm image" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/116423910:46
ubot2Launchpad bug 1164239 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity does not start on kubuntu 13.04 arm image" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/116423910:46
stgraberfor those not looking at #ubuntu-devel, please do. Looks like we forgot to tell LP that raring is only supported for 9 months (leading to ubuntu-support-status and likely the software-center lying about actually support length)10:48
Riddellogra_: ok maybe they're not then10:48
ogra_some logs would eb good :)10:48
Riddellogra_: on the current image I can't even press cntl-alt-F1 to get a terminal (but the mouse moves fine)10:48
Riddellso I think I need to work out the serial console thing again which I wasn't in the mood for at 4 in the morning10:49
ogra_just add console=ttyO2 to the kernel cmdline in preEnv.txt on the first partition of your install media10:52
ogra_you might also want serialtty=ttyO210:54
ogra_for casper10:54
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zequenceETA 18:00 UTC?11:14
smartboyhwzequence: Who says that?11:14
zequencesmartboyhw: I'm asking..11:15
stgraberzequence: should be much earlier than that. The plan was for 11:00 UTC but there's been a last minute problem that'll delay the release a bit.11:15
zequencestgraber: Ok, good to know (I was planning to go out for a while, but will stay until the release is out)11:16
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cfhowlettczajkowski, mohalo11:28
cjwatsonvibhav: /11:30
vibhavcjwatson: o/ denotes a waving hand11:31
smartboyhwcjwatson you don't do that in meetings?11:32
cjwatsonYeah, it usually means you want to ask a question11:32
LaneyIt's common for it to denote raising your hand, i.e. "I have something to ask"11:32
cjwatsonSo I'm asking what your question is11:32
vibhavnerver knew that11:32
vibhavI should probably search for another emoticon11:33
popeyhow about 💩11:33
smartboyhwpopey: Hmm I can't see it in AndroIR11:34
popeySucks to be you ☻11:34
vibhavCan't see this here too11:34
smartboyhwlol popey11:36
highvoltagestgraber: do we have an eta on release time? or is it around 18:00 as usual?12:00
SirDidiis there a 13.04 release party channel?12:00
* ScottK ponders the size of the required warning label for Kubuntu powerpc.12:02
SirDidi@ogra_g thx12:03
cjwatsonUbuntuHashes done12:05
cjwatsonGod help me12:05
asgeir_its OUT !!!12:09
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smartboyhwThank you Ubuntu Release Team <312:16
ogra_thank you smartboyhw ... you did your part too :)12:17
smartboyhwogra_ my part isn't as big as yours:p12:17
ogra_big enough :)12:18
ogra_cjwatson, so how about we just open 13.10 as "Silent Sabdfl"12:19
ScottKinfinity and cjwatson: We have a shot at a workaround that may make the Kubuntu armhf image usable, so please keep the image around for a bit in case it turns out we can release it.12:20
smartboyhwogra_ +1:P12:20
* ogra_ would be curious what a "Silent Sabdfl" logo would look like ... might be intresting what the design team would come up with ...12:28
belgianguyhmm, I get a 13.04 upgrade alert12:30
belgianguybut it says it's in ALPHA stage ?12:30
belgianguyis that normal12:30
wgrantcjwatson: ^^ meta-release still references DevelReleaseAnnouncement12:32
DavieyThe meta files haven't been updated?12:32
Laneyprobably AFKing - can anyone else edit that?12:34
wgrantI don't believe so12:34
wgrantWill need IS12:34
ScottKOh, never mind, it's already released (Kubuntu armhf)12:34
Laneyho hum12:34
Laneyelmo: ^?12:34
wgrantelmo: ^^ if you have a sec12:34
wgrantelmo: meta-release needs an s/DevelRelease/Release/12:35
wgrantReleaseNotes: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/raring/main/dist-upgrader-all/current/DevelReleaseAnnouncement12:35
wgrantReleaseNotesHtml: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/raring/main/dist-upgrader-all/current/DevelReleaseAnnouncement.html12:35
belgianguyThis is a full screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/xg5GlT3.png12:35
elmowhere's cjwatson?12:35
* Daviey does the bzr12:35
elmoI gave him edit privs12:35
elmoone second12:36
elmolet me see if he's around before I use root12:36
wgrantI assume it was he that set it to Supported, but I guess he's gone now12:36
Davieysomeone want to double check, http://pb.daviey.com/FR5B/ ?12:37
wgrantDaviey: Right12:38
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elmocjwatson is en route12:39
Davieyelmo: As user changelogs bignay:/srv/changelogs.ubuntu.com/www12:39
Davieyah ok12:39
cjwatsonScottK: I think I released it anyway12:40
ScottKYes.  It turns out you did.12:40
cjwatsonDaviey: ta, done12:41
ScottKI suspect the low memory thing with the slide show is our culprit on armhf as well and we need to come up with an appropriate workaround.12:41
cjwatsonScottK: on the basis that it's easier to withdraw later than to try to keep dailies around for an undefined time12:41
cjwatsonbelgianguy: should be fixed for you now, modulo caching12:42
ScottKMakes sense.12:42
belgianguyk guys, thanks for the fix ;)12:42
belgianguycjwatson: yup, it's fixed, see you soon!12:42
* stgraber removed queue admin rights from the release team for raring and added these same rights to ubuntu-sru12:44
cjwatsonstgraber: thanks - I've been waiting for an official name announcement before starting on NRCP12:44
rustxoups .. sorry :-[12:44
stgrabercjwatson: yeah, makes sense. It just bothered me when I noticed I could still see those buttons in +queue and figured that was one of those things we can do even without a name for s.12:45
ScottKMaybe it's a test to see if we can function without him and the TB should just pick something ...12:57
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slangasekcjwatson, infinity: congrats14:12
rickspencer3slangasek, congrats for what?14:20
ogra_rickspencer3, release ?14:20
slangasekrickspencer3: for this 13.04 thing that's been announced as out :)14:20
dokoopening the s-series?14:21
ogra_doko, haha14:21
ogra_not yet14:21
rickspencer3slangasek, weird, how come no one told me about it?14:21
ogra_unless you come up with a name and take the blame for it14:21
ogra_rickspencer3, infinity sent you a mail, i'm sure14:21
rickspencer3oh, right14:22
smartboyhw_ogra_ is it that no name = no opening?14:22
infinityrickspencer3: Oh, by the way, we released.14:22
rickspencer3congrats infinity14:22
ogra_smartboyhw_, right14:22
rickspencer3infinity, I met someone in a dream who asked me if the release was out, and forced me to wake up and check the website at like 5am14:22
dokoso where's the new name?14:22
infinityAnd in 15 minutes, I'm calling the next one Spanky Spaniel.14:22
cjwatsonsmartboyhw_: the first steps intrinsically involve knowing the name14:22
ogra_i guess it would technically work with a dummy ...14:22
ogra_but you would have to rename it then14:22
cjwatsonless trouble to wait, sadly14:23
infinityogra_: We'd have to change the string in too many places.14:23
infinityogra_: Just not worth it.14:23
dokothat would be spanky daniel, but it's s not d14:23
* ogra_ still votes for "Silent Sabdfl"14:23
cjwatsondoko: Clearly you know something about dholbach that I don't14:23
infinitycjwatson: They're from Berlin...14:23
ogra_yeah, berlin ...14:23
dokocjwatson, yeah, ...14:24
cjwatsonI think I'm happy for it to stay that way14:24
dokoalso I tend to see dholbach more at conferences than in Berlin lately ...14:24
rickspencer3so, I think 13.04 is our best desktop yet14:25
dokocan we just accept s-series as an alias?14:25
ogra_rickspencer3, ++14:25
cjwatsondoko: Not without some code changes14:25
rickspencer3ogra_, what is also cool, is that I have Ubuntu touch running on my tablet :)14:26
rickspencer3and I have an IDE with an SDK14:26
cjwatsonOh yeah, I should update my N7 while I have bandwidth14:26
rickspencer3ogra_, now I just need to make new photobomb for my tablet14:27
ogra_and package it14:28
dobeyS-shaped Seahorse14:34
rickspencer3hey all14:35
rickspencer3I'm sure you are all reading this now?14:35
dobeyor we should release early on Sept 19, and call it Scurvy Seadog14:35
smartboyhw_Saucy Salamender!? Holy christ that's ugly..14:36
dobey"Strong indicator of a pristine environment" ?14:36
dobeytell that to the salamanders in my yard14:36
dobeypoor things just don't know they're not supposed to be here :)14:37
barrysalamander sauce?  almost makes me want to go veg <wink>14:37
dobeybarry: except for bacon, at least14:37
barrydobey: yo! no bacon14:38
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dobeybarry: traitor14:39
rickspencer3I like it14:40
rickspencer3it happens to me every time14:40
rickspencer3my first reaction to the name is "omg no"14:40
rickspencer3then it grows on me14:40
cjwatsonStockholm Syndrome14:40
LaneyI didn't have that this time14:40
cjwatsonHow appropriate :)14:40
Laneymaybe it'll go the other day14:40
rickspencer3there was one name that I refused to use for the whole release though :)14:40
ScottKdobey: One of my daughters spent three years being a veg, but bacon got her in the end.14:40
wgrantogra_: If you try to rename a live distroseries on LP I will cry :)14:41
barryafter we round the z's and head back to a, can we raffle off naming rights?14:41
kenvandineScottK, how can anyone resist bacon!14:41
* ScottK doesn't know.14:41
barrybacon is the candy of meat14:41
rustxmuslims knows14:41
ogra_wgrant, ouch, i thought it would be clever14:41
barryor maybe the crack of meat anyway :)14:41
kenvandinerickspencer3, i so wanted the "rolling rick"14:42
rickspencer3my family discovered bacon flavored ranch dressing last week14:42
rickspencer3suddenly, salads are popular with my teenage kids :)14:42
rickspencer3kenvandine, so did I!14:42
dobeySaucy Sriracha14:42
rustxhey guys : https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/58884_10151539593854190_1629934171_n.jpg14:42
barrydobey: now *that* i can support14:42
rustxenjoy, bacon time :)14:43
ScottKAt least saucy is short and easy to type.  That's the most important thing.14:43
rickspencer3ScottK, right, I will find ways to mispell it, I am sure14:44
rickspencer3but Quantaal14:44
dobeybarry: it's too bad we don't have real UDS any more though. could have made special t-shirts for it :)14:44
rickspencer3ScottK, infinity, cjwatson, Riddell, and the rest of the release team ... congrats on a smooth release, btw14:45
rickspencer3now that we have the name, I feel like we can finally call it "done" :)14:46
barrydobey: rooster sauce14:46
rustxi am not part of the team, but Thanks to all of you !!!14:46
* smartboyhw_ salutes to the whole Ubuntu Release Team14:46
dobeybarry: but an ubuntu parody :)14:46
dobeyrickspencer3: especially given that little kerfuffle we had yesterday :)14:47
barrydobey: we could put it on youtubuntu14:48
rickspencer3dobey, do you want to tell me about it over a proprietary sip client?14:48
balloonsstgraber, gema et la.. I didn't have time to fix it properly yesterday, but yes someone just added the desktop upgrade tests to server.. Not good.. So yesterday I filed this bug to re-add a "do-release-upgrade" test. It'll get added: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bug/117245214:48
ubot2Launchpad bug 1172452 in Ubuntu Manual Tests "Testcase Needed: Server Upgrade Test" [Undecided,New]14:48
dobeyrickspencer3: lol14:48
stgraberrickspencer3: ahah, yeah, for the next 10min until someone asks when they can upload to saucy ;)14:48
smartboyhw_balloons: Hurray wrong channel posting;P14:49
ogra_is it open yet ?14:49
stgraberballoons: ok, good. So I gave you a new testsuite for those tests, just let me know when you have the new testcase writen and I'll manually swap the IDs in the DB14:49
balloonsstgraber, ohh.. excellent, thank you14:50
smartboyhw_Just think of it: All the changelogs will be saucy now:o15:01
dobeyso subliminal15:04
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med_I guess folks have 6 months to work on their release party recipe of "Saucy Salamander" appetizers.15:23
kamalhi Archive Admins -  please let me bring to your attention https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/982889 ...15:37
kamalthis Critical bug makes Raring yield a black screen on boot instead of the lightdm login for many systems ...15:37
ubot2Launchpad bug 982889 in OEM Priority Project precise "X trying to start before plymouth has finished using the drm driver" [High,In progress]15:37
kamalfixed packages (lightdm and plymouth) are already available in -proposed ...15:37
kamalis there any way they could be pushed into -updates immediately-ish?   its a pretty bad user experience without them.15:38
infinitykamal: I'll be looking at that in a sec, yeah.15:39
kamalinfinity: thanks very much15:40
slangasekinfinity: would you rather have me look at it?15:40
cjwatsonsaucy-changes exists, for the record15:40
infinityslangasek: Go nuts.15:40
LaneyAre you going to copy juju-core out of backports?15:41
infinityslangasek: I already reviewed it once when I accepted it to -proposed, another set of eyes would be good.15:41
infinityLaney: No rush to do that.15:41
Laneyno, just in general.15:41
infinityLaney: Oh, or do you mean from backports to saucy-proposed?15:41
LaneySeeing handbrake ^ reminded me15:41
infinity(Which is so backward...)15:41
infinityI'll do that nowish.15:42
slangasekinfinity: oh, this is just for -updates promotion?  hmm right... well I can't look at it for a bit anyway, and if it's just the -updates copy not sure it needs more review15:42
infinityslangasek: Alright, I'll JFDI.15:43
kamalwell oiled machine, you guys are!15:43
plarsThe link to bug 1172572 has a typo in the url on the release notes (s/bug/bugs)15:43
ubot2Launchpad bug 1172572 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "No option to continue from install type screen" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117257215:43
xnoxplars: looking15:44
infinitykamal: Released as of the next publisher run.15:44
kamalinfinity: thanks!15:44
plarsAh, I can edit15:45
plarsodd, it wouldn't give me an edit option at first, but I am logged in15:45
highvoltagestgraber: heh, I see someone even submitted a deployment in Afrikaans.15:48
stgraberhighvoltage: hehe, yeah. We had a few in foreign languages in the last batch I processed15:52
cjwatsondoko: You can safely upload toolchain stuff now, though hold off a bit before accepting.15:52
dokocjwatson, uploaded base-files, did plan to do binary copies of three packages from a ppa. can these be done too at the moment?15:53
cjwatsonYes, but again just don't accept until I've checked that the first publisher run is good15:54
dokosubscribed to saucy15:54
cjwatsonstgraber: Yeah, for next time, you actually actively mustn't change perms before we've created the new series, because it copies them from the previous one ...15:54
cjwatsonstgraber: I'll fix things up now15:54
stgrabercjwatson: gah, yeah, I should have remembered that the init of a new series copies all the permissions from the previous one (after the whole mess we had to fix because of duplicate package sets entries)15:56
ScottKxnox: If you're going to take the plunge on boost, now would be the time to talk to doko about uploading it.15:56
xnoxScottK: i think i'm ok to upload it into unapproved right about now.15:57
* xnox is just resigning changes at the moment.15:57
slangasekinfinity: btw, just to be sure... the lightdm update got a versioned dep on plymouth, yes?15:58
cjwatsonIt did, proposed-migration noted it15:58
infinityslangasek: IIRC.15:58
SpamapSHey shouldn't we change the default for queuediff to raring in ubuntu-archive-tools ?16:00
rtgogasawara, I think we can delete the ubuntu-raring-lbm.git repo, yes ?16:00
slangasekinfinity: checked and confirmed16:00
infinitySpamapS: Patience (but yes).16:00
cjwatsonSpamapS: yeah, missed that in my sweep - done16:01
cjwatsondoko: OK, feel free to start accepting to saucy-proposed16:06
cjwatsondoko: But security builds means it's a while 'til they'll start16:07
dokocjwatson, I know, I prepared at least some of these ;)16:08
cjwatsonheh, ok16:08
stgraberI quickly did the copy of the raring manifest to saucy on the tracker, created the daily milestone, marked all the old milestones released and updated nusakan to point to the new milestone16:11
stgraberso whenever we get the first dailies they should auto-publish just fine16:12
cjwatsonI think I'll finish up shortly; done most of what I can do today16:12
cjwatsonhave fun :)16:13
infinityBeer o'clock.16:13
dokoxnox, copied boost-defaults from the ppa16:14
stgraberinfinity: have fun!16:15
xnoxdoko: ok.16:17
xnoxdoko: there is also the splitted mpi and boost1.5316:18
xnoxdoko: at http://people.canonical.com/~xnox/repo/16:18
xnoxdoko: can upload in 2 hours or so, but AFK at the moment.16:18
dokowill be away the evening16:18
ScottKdoko: I can accept his upload if you're OK with it.  I'll be around for another 4 -5 hours.16:19
ScottKxnox: ^^^ ping me.16:21
dokocjwatson, do the archives jobs on p.u.c. run again?16:42
dokocjwatson, infinity: once the gcc-defaults build is done, we should be good16:55
balloonsa little release humor for you all.. I can't be the only one tickled by the fact we'll be supporting 12.10 longer than 13.04 :-)18:22
xnoxScottK: and everyone else AA: please wait for gcc-defaults to fully publish before accepting above boosts. I'd rather have them build by gcc4.8. And it's a package split so should be ok.18:51
ScottKxnox: OK.  Ping me if you notice it's ready.18:54
xnoxScottK: gcc is stuck somewhere mysterious....18:54
ScottKLots of other builds today.18:55
ScottKOr more mysterious than that?18:55
xnoxit's fully build, yet not published anywhere and not in the new/unapproved queues.18:55
ScottKIt looks to me like the last publisher run didn't go.18:55
ScottKI was going to wait ten minutes and then scream if the next one doesn't.18:56
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ScottKslangasek, cjwatson, infinity, wgrant, whoever: I don't think the publisher is running.  As an example, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/distro-info-data/0.13ubuntu0.1/+build/4520058 should have been published twice by now.19:09
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ScottKYeah, I think it's definitely dead.19:51
ScottKxnox: Is there some sekrit Canonical communication method you can use to get someone to fix the publisher?19:52
slangasekis it possibly off because of the archive opening for s?19:52
ScottKNot intentionally.19:52
ScottKcjwatson earlier told doko not to accept stuff until it had run once succesfully and then told him to go ahead.19:53
ScottKAlso there's tool chain stuff that's trying to get built and out (e.g. gcc-defaults)19:53
ScottKslangasek: ^^^20:00
slangasekok, let's see if that's something I can fix20:01
slangasekaccording to the logs, the publisher ran at 19:30 (ish) UTC20:02
slangasekand is still running20:03
slangasekoh; rather, the instance that started at 16:33 is still running; hmm20:03
ScottKFirst publisher run with a new distro and it takes ~forever?20:12
ScottKI don't recall that from before.20:12
slangasekwell, stracing shows the process doing nothing useful20:14
slangasekso I suspect something's gone awry20:14
slangasekah, crashed now with some OOPSes in the logs; maybe I managed to break it by stracing it20:16
ScottKSounds like my work here is done.  Enjoy.20:19
slangasekI think it may be unwedged now; we'll see soon20:28
ScottKslangasek: win20:34
* ogra_ applauds20:35
ScottKxnox: ^^^20:35
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* xnox hates the next sentence a lot!21:14
xnoxslangasek: would you be able to turn britney on from raring to saucy? or is for cjwatson  / infinity to do?21:15
slangasekxnox: mmm, I probably can if someone can tell me where it lives21:17
xnoxslangasek: well the logs of it are exposed on people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive and trace from there?! .... so i'd think it's not far away from that place.21:19
xnoxLaney: can I please have transition tracker? I pushed s/raring/saucy/ but it didn't auto-pull it seems.21:20
slangasekxnox: I'm pretty sure it runs on pepo, but it's not in the ~lp_archive user's homedir where IIRC britney used to be21:22
xnoxok. wait for colin then.21:22
slangasekah, no, proposed-migration does seem to live on people.c.c after all.. let's see then21:27
dokoaccepted the two boost uploads. -proposed has 4.8 as the default, so everything is fine21:46
ScottKdoko: publisher was broken earlier, so we were waiting for it.21:47
xnoxScottK: i think slangasek unbroke it. But we'll see once boost builds =) as we need to "nudge" the archive somehow for a publisher to see what's happening =)21:49
ScottKYes.  He did.21:49
xnoxScottK: doko: I see gcc published in proposed correctly.21:49
ScottKIt would have only be recently though.21:49
xnoxbut britney isn't saucy yet.21:49
dokolooks like everything I uploaded is published21:52
slangasekseems cjwatson committed the change, but it wasn't pushed to people.c.c; still not entirely sure that's the relevant place that it runs from, but have updated the checkout anyway21:52
infinityproposed-migration being off isn't a bad thing, per se.21:54
xnoxfair enough =) it's just it would be helpful with boost transition i'm about to blast once boost1.53 builds and publishes.21:55
slangasekwell, I'm fairly certain we don't want p-m trying to migrate from raring-proposed to raring, at the least :)21:55
infinityslangasek: Hence being off seems like the sane default for now. :P21:56
infinitydoko: britney.21:56
infinityxnox: I don't see how britney would help your boost transition at all, since it all needs to happen in proposed anyway.21:57
slangasekinfinity: I haven't turned it on or off.  I haven't even found an off switch for it.21:57
infinityslangasek: It's de-facto off right now.21:57
infinityslangasek: Colin and/or I were going to sort all that in the morning.21:58
dokoweren't all these -propsed -> -raring messages coming from greenend.co.uk?21:58
infinity(Or Colin might do so when he gets in to Cambridge tonight if he can't sleep, but I'm about to pack up and go be somewhere not here)21:59
xnoxinfinity: true.21:59
slangasekinfinity: what reason is there for me not to do that today, though?21:59
* xnox will hack up a local transition tracker here to watch things, until laney pulls the new revision into ben on p.c.c22:00
infinityslangasek: Nothing compelling, I suppose, but no wildly compelling reason to do so, either, since this is all the usual toolchain staging period and such.22:00
dokoinfinity, I'm done with it22:03
ScottKxnox: Since everything except the dev packages is co-installable and there's a lot of boost stuff, I think it's good to let 1.53 go into the release pocket.22:03
infinitydoko: boost, other bits.  Anyhow, there's no reason we MUST migrate right now, was my point.  Leaving things in proposed for a little while won't kill anyonw.22:04
ScottKinfinity: If you have a moment, would you please accept my debootstrap SRU for raring.22:04
xnoxinfinity: just will make the first run big =)22:04
dokoinfinity, boost is already there as well, that's just the main/universe split which is running22:04
xnoxScottK: !!!!! fixing bugs in raring, before devel series!22:19
* xnox not like22:19
ScottKDevel series isn't open.22:19
xnoxScottK: i'm not sure what you are talking about =) i'm uploading packages into it and they are building and publishing (almost) ;-)22:20
ScottKYou're working on toolchain.22:20
infinitydebootstrap counts.22:20
ScottKI just forward copied it.22:21
ScottKShould show up in a moment.22:21
ScottKdistro-info-data probably does too.22:21
ScottKThere you go.22:22
infinityScottK: Oh, I bet that sent you an email about can't accept with pending publications in raring.22:23
infinityScottK: Just re-copy after the next publisher run and accept.22:23
ScottKWe'll find out.22:23
ScottKI already found out you can't copy the source before it's built.22:24
infinityGiven that you can't have the same binary in the archive twice, that would be bad form.22:24
* infinity packs up and leaves the office.22:25
ScottKmuon got rejected for the same reason.22:31
ScottKJust resync'ed.22:31
xnoxmeh. going to sleep. will be blasting boost tomorrow.22:32
ScottKYeah, binaries have to be published too ...22:34
ogra_some of the changes mails look odd22:34
ScottKTrying again ...22:34
ogra_(plymouth, xdiagnose and lightdm dont list their changelog entries )22:35
dokoI'm promoting isl and cloog-isl, forgot about these and only did promote mpclib322:35
xnoxogra_: syncs22:39
dokoMIR was already granted, see #111981822:39
xnoxogra_: carry over from raring-proposed/-updates22:39
* ScottK has to go.22:43
ScottKIf by some miracle another debootstrap appears for saucy, please accept it someone.22:43

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