[03:16] What time does the 13.04 comes?? [05:01] [07:58] got my precise t-shirt on, bring it on guys! [08:08] hello all [08:08] Is it out yet? sorry couldn't resist ;) [08:10] !isitout [08:10] No, it is not out yet. [08:11] I was teasing AlanBell ;) [08:11] lollers [08:16] Subject: You've just been ousted as the mayor of Canonical Bluefin 5th Floor! [08:16] czajkowski: YOU [08:16] hurr [08:21] I know :) [08:22] * Laney gets the train to london [08:23] where sam goes to beavers there's another parent who drops his daughter off there, the mayorship basically flip-flops between me and him constantly [08:23] he found me on twitter too ⍨ [08:30] lol [08:30] it used to be Lou [08:30] but not seen her [08:36] Good morning all, happy Raring Ringtail Release Day! :-D [08:40] hah [08:45] morning JamesTait [08:46] MooDoo, o/ [09:03] AlanBell: what time are we meeting for beer tomorrow? [09:03] also TheOpenSourcerer [09:04] Good question popey [09:04] I'm planning to just go straight from the office [09:04] I have a childrens party to start first [09:04] As it is close. So could meet in the Cobbett whenevr you are ready. [09:05] which consists of turning on a DVD through a projector and walking out before the food starts flying [09:05] lol [09:05] popey: Will you be in town this evening? [09:12] good morning eveyrone, [09:34] Goood Morning! [09:34] morning brobostigon BigRedS [09:35] morning MooDoo [09:37] Good MooDoo [09:37] er [09:38] "morning" apparently doesn't tab-complete [09:38] lol [09:38] I _really_ need a tab key that's wired into my brain [09:38] it does it someone here helpfully uses /nick morning for you [09:39] Haha, I generally try to tab-complete everything. I did that with my password first thing this morning... [09:40] thing is though every one will start referring to you as big ;) lol [09:41] Haha, but that's generally bigcalm :) [09:47] ok , tried out bittorrent sync [09:47] looks good so far [09:47] (osx to osx) next up i'm gonna give the linux client a try [09:47] the cool thing is.. you can run this on a headless server too (i think) [09:50] indeed you can [09:50] I ran it on my phone [09:52] I'm gonna try setting up a network with my buddies, see if we can each set aside enough space for each other [09:52] I'm assuming stuff can remain encrypted on the other end [09:52] you can drop encrypted files in it [09:52] ah right [09:55] already had to post over on /r/ubuntu to let people know they shouldn't be posting links to ISOs yet -.- [09:58] I think I should make a note to myself to remember to make similar posts on every release mornign [10:03] Personally, were I canonical I'd just redirect all requests for *.iso to something that never resolves [10:04] popey: there is a mobile client too ? (or are you just running ubuntu touch on your phone) [10:07] http://beeroclock.in/ [10:07] Myrtti: yay [10:09] knightwise: yes, i ran it on ubuntu touch [10:12] cool :) [10:18] if its reliable enough I think i'll be ditching Dropbox pretty soon. [10:19] Sparkleshare is rather cool - just git and clients. [10:19] sparkleshare's brilliant [10:19] Actually, that's probably the other piece of software that's yet to annoy me [10:34] * AlanBell likes sparkleshare [10:35] bittorrent sync will probably be quite cool, there was a somewhat clue-lacking bbc article about it yesterday [10:35] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22281941 [10:38] I played around with owncloud but it took me forever to get it working over https [10:39] A clue-lacking article from the BBC? Never! [10:42] knightwise: didn't take me long at all :/ [10:42] I'm running it now without issue [10:43] Hi, I'm wondering what files are automatically invoked in gnome login? I want to start a process automatically every time I login to the desktop. [10:43] find the application called "startup applications" [10:43] there you can set what starts up [10:46] Thanks SuperMatt! [10:46] to be completely fair to the BBC they appear to have cornered a clueless analyst and got lots of quotes [11:06] afternoon peeps. [11:06] SuperMatt: you did a standard 5 install ? [11:06] not quite, actually [11:07] I have nginx installed [11:07] SuperMatt: do you have a good tutorial on how to get it from http to https ? [11:07] nginx ? [11:07] yeah, it's just a faster webserver than apache [11:07] aha [11:07] so I'm not really much help to you here [11:10] surely there's a billion https-in-nginx tutorials? [11:11] sure, but I can't help with apache ;) [11:12] and tbh, I'm weary of suggesting to anyone how to configure apache for https because I just don't know how their server is configured and I could messs stuff up if I'm not careful [11:13] It's pretty simple to configure Apache for SSL, assuming the've already got the cleartext vhost working [11:14] just copy the vhost, make it :443 and add the SSL* lines [11:14] yup yup, I know [11:14] and in fact, on ubuntu you can just do a2ensite default-ssl [11:14] assuming you're serving out of /var/www [11:14] very true [11:14] and want snakeoil certs [11:15] but these are the things that I don't know about *other peoples* hosting, so I don't ever want to guess [11:15] yeah, but if they know which vhost they want to sslify, you can just have them copy that.It's very hard to break anything that way [11:15] possible, sure [11:16] I'm just quite weary about making suggestions unless I have a definitive answer [11:28] hello all, is anybody able to upgrade to raring via do-release-upgrade? [11:28] yes if you use -d, but after release you wont need that [11:29] i.e. it's not been released yet [11:29] ah okay, thanks === dgjones is now known as DJones [11:29] anyone know of an android git client, that can push to a repo, aswell as pull. ? === dummy-bot is now known as dummy-sen [11:33] * czajkowski stabs Laney [11:33] omg [11:33] office busy? [11:33] brobostigon: have you looked at Terminal IDE? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.spartacusrex.spartacuside [11:34] Laney: aye [11:34] shrik: tried it, doesnt work, get https errors when i try and pull/clone, and also the fixes in their bug tracker dont help. [11:34] shrik: I did it on friday [11:35] sorry about that, it works alright for me, but I only played around with it for a bit, and didn't try the git part! [11:36] shrik: everything else works fine, except for that bit, which is unfortunate, because it worked well. [11:39] that's unfortunate :( it wasn't an issue for me because I ssh into a vps for any dev stuff.. [11:40] I'm curious though, what's your use-case? Just trying out stuff? [11:41] shrik: my use case, is being able to do basic edits on my nexus7, which i have connected to and arduino, which outputs to that nexus7, so i can make direct code adjustments and push to the arduino. [11:46] !isitout [11:46] No, it is not out yet. [11:46] Time for lunch then. [11:49] even busybox doesn't support it, I'm lost then.. [11:50] * czajkowski slaps JamesTait you should know better [11:50] trollolololol [11:51] JamesTait: I wouldn't leave... almost there :-) [11:51] Nafallo, but I'm getting hungry, and I have a minetest issue to work out before my boys find out that I broke it and disown me. [11:52] minetest :) [11:53] And workrave is telling me I need a rest break. [11:53] It's probably right. [11:53] JamesTait: fine fine... but you might miss it :-) [11:53] I might... but I've already been spreading the good word, so it's not the end of the world. [11:57] PHP Parse error: syntax error, unexpected ',', expecting T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM [11:57] wat === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:00] yummy, hebrew error messages. that'll make your day interesting [12:01] http://php.net/manual/en/language.oop5.paamayim-nekudotayim.php [12:03] that's one of the common complaints about php that I don't think is such a big problem [12:04] !isitoutyet [12:04] No, it is not out yet. [12:04] c'mon guys, it's 13.04 [12:04] Oh, I've still got that twitter thingy [12:05] we're not moaning as it's not released yet are we? [12:06] weeeell, the twitter feed said it might be out at 13:04 :P [12:06] I don't normally moan [12:06] sheesh ;) [12:06] as per the wonder id software, it's done when it's done ;) [12:07] nah, there is an actual release date here, it's not like Debian [12:09] there it is! [12:09] it is now ☻ [12:10] thanks! [12:10] hm? It just released? [12:11] possibly :-) [12:11] now we have to wait for marky-boy's S announcement [12:11] "marky-boy"? [12:11] blimey [12:11] you *are* familiar [12:11] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2013-April/thread.html [12:11] there you go [12:11] never met the chap [12:13] MooDoo: nothing about S in there [12:13] SuperMatt: sorry missed the S in your statement thought it was just a typo....i'll shut up now [12:14] so does this mean Canonical are all getting to the pub in about 30 min? [12:14] doubt it [12:15] there's still a chance of critical bugs [12:15] there's *always* a chance of critical bugs [12:15] but now fixes are expected to be slower, 'cause it's not an rc any more [12:18] just slammed down $46 on the donation page === chrish_ is now known as christopherh [12:19] doubt it, there will be champagne in the kitchen ;-) [12:19] unless that tradition has died down... popey? :-) [12:20] I cant be in the office today [12:20] also am working till 10pm [12:20] bah [12:20] okay [12:20] so you're not going to be at the release party tonight popey? [12:20] nope [12:21] well darn [12:32] hmm.. new functions in Raring look promising [12:38] it's out. [12:40] I won't be enjoying champagne in the office or beer in London today either, popey. I won't be working until 10pm though, so I pity you there. [12:42] I'll just have a quiet shandy by myself after the kids have gone to bed. [12:42] !isitoutyet [12:42] YES! It's out! [12:42] * BigRedS_ ponders the possibility of a rowdy shandy === BigRedS_ is now known as BigRedS [12:42] Ooh. To the laptop! [12:43] just heard "ICT is the new sexy" on radio 4 [12:44] I've been waiting for that to be the case for _years_ [12:47] it was in a piece about sexism unfortunately [12:49] So, Snappy Serval, anyone? [12:50] Strike another possible name from the list [12:50] JamesTait: +1 === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [12:51] The sabdfl announcement is always such an education - I don't know where he finds out about the animals he chooses, but I've usually never heard of them. [12:52] JamesTait: warthog? :-) [12:52] breezy wasn't too challenging either [12:53] at least I can pronounce this one though [12:53] I did say usually. ;) [12:57] Startup Disk Creator is crashing while trying to write the new iso to an sd card. Not too helpful that [12:57] I have no idea if it has finished creating the disk or not [12:58] bug perhaps [12:58] * bigcalm tries for a 3rd time [12:59] This time allowing it to create 1gb of user space [13:00] This time it has closed the util but not shown a crash dialogue [13:00] Maybe it worked [13:01] yeah we should do some work on that tool [13:01] where was snappy serval announced? [13:01] slim shady [13:04] shrik, I'm not aware that it has been. [13:05] shrik, I just made it up. [13:29] haha ok [13:29] slippery snail [13:30] hmmm.. raring is the first ubuntu release I haven't been running a pre-release of for a good few years now [13:57] slumbering sloth [13:58] that's the polar opposite of a snappy serval, i guess === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [14:38] saucy salamader, they get worse lol [14:39] sounds nice to me at first reading [14:39] better than oneiric [14:39] better than gutsy intrepid quantal [14:40] it'll be teasing toad next or tempestuous terrapin [14:44] there's already a http://www.saucysalamander.com/ [14:48] perfect place for a release party ;-) [14:57] will it really be 13.10, or will there be another push for a rolling release? [14:59] yes [15:01] to which question ;-) [15:02] I hope the graphics card support in 13.04 is better than 12.10 [15:02] Quantal's startup disk creator is broken?! [15:02] * ahayzen tries the KDE version [15:03] i take that to mean rolling release proponents will make another push which will be denied by people with sense [15:03] KDE..making ugly desktops since 4.0 [15:04] you can make it look decent actually [15:04] mungbean, just the app not the desktop :) ... anyone else had the usb creator in Quantal crash or just me? [15:04] there's a theme that apes google chrome and looks quite nice [15:05] What's ugly about KDE? [15:05] oxygen, the default icon set, the default fonts (especially hinting) [15:06] the toolbars and panels everywhere on everything are annoying too [15:06] they overuse font sizes and bold and italic text everywhere too [15:07] also nothing ever lines up properly... KDE cannot vertically align things consistently [15:07] ...sounds like someone doesn't like KDE :P [15:07] i do like KDE actually [15:07] yeah, toolbars, widgets, menus, huge areas of white/chrome space [15:07] these problems are all papercuts really [15:08] they can be fixed it just takes a loooooooong time when you start from defaults [15:08] and a lot of them are trivial and stupid stuff that should have been fixed [15:08] like the broken clock [15:08] ali1234 wht do u use as ur default DE+shell? [15:08] https://plus.google.com/u/0/117474986382867317779/posts/GaQ9QVwrJ6D [15:08] ahayzen: i use gnome-panel/gtk3 [15:09] nice :) [15:10] oh and compiz... because it is still the only wm with working zoom [15:10] the ultimately configurable KDE cannot bind shortcuts to the mouse [15:10] so you can't bind any WM function to mouse buttons [15:10] * ahayzen wonders if MIR will have zooming abilities [15:10] so you can't zoom with the mouse [15:11] this is a big problem with KDEs "code reuse everywhere" thing [15:11] a lot of times it's not appropriate to reuse it, but they do anyway because they can [15:11] like how if you open a text file in the file browser, it loads in an embedded text editor in the file browser [15:11] i have no idea if it still does that but it used to annoy the hell out of me [15:11] especially since file browser == web browser [15:11] i have a new graphics card [15:12] how do i decrypt a file encrypted with openssl enc [15:13] * Laney stabs twitpic [15:13] mungbean: you encode it with the decryption key - there is no "decode" as such [15:13] yey the usb-creator-kde has worked :) [15:13] putting my picture up sideways [15:13] and refusing to save the manual rotation [15:13] s/code/crypt/g [15:14] ah, use -d command [15:15] what's the gnome password editor please? [15:15] seahorse [15:15] chars [15:15] (not running running but someone's given me their file) [15:15] hmm is there another one, like revelation? [15:17] FPM? [15:25] ah found a tool to convert fpm to keepassx [15:34] saucy [15:34] really [15:34] :) [15:35] my thoughts exactly. [15:37] saucy [15:37] sausage [15:37] hehe [15:37] well at least it's not Beefy Miracle [15:38] * neuro waits patiently for the announcement of Tantric Tiger [15:38] or Tremulous Toucan [15:38] or Turbulent Tortoise [15:39] saucy saucisson [15:39] or sossy sandwich [15:40] ohhhh [15:40] git :) [15:41] yay [15:42] my favourite t-shirt is now available to buy [15:43] http://shirt.woot.com/offers/by-your-powers-combined [15:43] at least i know what a salamander is [15:43] bashrc: that was a cool name ;) [15:47] my wifi card works under Ubuntu on my laptop now, think i should save some files from the Windows partion and reinstall it :) [15:50] my wifi card on my laptop works under GNU/Linux now lets kill the Windows partition :p [16:02] why is ufw blocking connections on port 80 when it is specifically allowed? [16:03] [17039148.937362] [UFW BLOCK] IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=<> SRC=<> DST=<> LEN=40 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=54 ID=0 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=44640 DPT=80 WINDOW=0 RES=0x00 RST URGP=0 [16:04] SRC = my IP [16:12] what do you get for iptables --list | grep dpt:www [16:15] * AlanBell heads in to the party [16:17] have fun :) [16:25] i like iptables-persistent [16:25] it doesn't get in the way [16:25] much [16:58] FGLRX is driving me insane [16:58] I can't get it to disable overscan at all [16:59] Not via Catalyst GUI or via amdconfig or via editing the config files manually [16:59] kvarley: isn't it a setting on the screen you're outputting to? [17:00] MartijnVdS: I mean it's a monitor that doesn't use overscan and the driver things it does because it's over HDMI [17:00] I can change the overscan via the gui but it only works until I reboot [17:00] overscan is an old remnant of analog TV [17:00] why would anyone in their right minds use it on HDMI!? [17:00] No idea, tell AMD [17:00] kvarley: does it work with the free driver/ [17:00] They used to be good with their drivers as far as I can remember [17:01] Ever since 12.10 it's been an uphill struggle [17:01] MartijnVdS: Unity is so sluggish with the open source driver [17:01] MartijnVdS: So yes, but barely [17:02] weird! [17:02] kvarley: doesn't aticonfig work? [17:02] kvarley: it should be able to set over/underscan [17:03] MartijnVdS: No [17:03] Neither does editing the config files manually [17:03] kvarley: I guess you found http://nixnote.blogspot.nl/2012/06/amd-catalyst-fixing-underscan.html already? [17:05] MartijnVdS: Ah ha, that was the command I was looking for - thanks! BRB [17:07] It works \0/ thanks MartijnVdS === alan_g is now known as alan_g|life [17:26] \o/ [18:43] yeah, this raring upgrade is going great [18:43] kernel install failure, initramfs-tools install failure, then apport failure [18:52] hmm, I appear to have rejoined automatically. === dwatkins_ is now known as dwatkins === G4MBY is now known as PaulW2U [19:28] did anyone else have their Ubuntu become a Kubuntu after the upgrade? [19:32] heh [19:40] Laney: http://i.imgur.com/O5l9Kxh.jpg [19:44] my bootup splash screen is a Kubuntu one, and my GRUB entry says Kubuntu. But login screen and desktop are all Unity. [19:44] So confused right now. === ClaudeTheFascist is now known as GentileBen [20:28] Nice Full moon tonite ... :::: http://imgur.com/gallery/zFT4M [20:30] evening all [20:30] * AlanBell is in a pub [20:32] yo [20:32] * popey is still working [20:32] How come? Time zone fun? [20:34] AlanBell: Beer or Cider ? [20:42] is wae [20:42] watching new old morse [20:46] Between 2 ferns is back on .. If anyone wants a laugh ... ::: http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/40427c7af8/between-two-ferns-oscar-buzz-edition-part-1?rel=player&playlist=135161 [20:50] beer [20:51] mgdm: meetings with community developers [20:51] people contributing who can't meet during the working day [20:52] ahh [20:59] \o/ finished [21:00] \o/ === stgraber_ is now known as stgraber === triple-clones is now known as tripleclones === mgdm_ is now known as mgdm [21:50] aloo [21:50] any [21:50] need help [21:51] oo net split .. over now .. whatsup ? [22:01] aex: wassup? === mat__ is now known as Guest58822