[03:16] <Lucas2b_> What time does the 13.04 comes??
[05:01] <sebsebseb>  
[07:58] <SuperMatt> got my precise t-shirt on, bring it on guys!
[08:08] <MooDoo> hello all
[08:08] <MooDoo> Is it out yet?  sorry couldn't resist ;)
[08:10] <AlanBell> !isitout
[08:11] <MooDoo> I was teasing AlanBell ;)
[08:11] <SuperMatt> lollers
[08:16] <Laney> Subject: You've just been ousted as the mayor of Canonical Bluefin 5th Floor!
[08:16] <Laney> czajkowski: YOU
[08:16] <SuperMatt> hurr
[08:21] <czajkowski> I know :)
[08:22]  * Laney gets the train to london
[08:23] <popey> where sam goes to beavers there's another parent who drops his daughter off there, the mayorship basically flip-flops between me and him constantly
[08:23] <popey> he found me on twitter too ⍨
[08:30] <czajkowski> lol
[08:30] <czajkowski> it used to be Lou
[08:30] <czajkowski> but not seen her
[08:36] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Raring Ringtail Release Day! :-D
[08:40] <popey> hah
[08:45] <MooDoo> morning JamesTait
[08:46] <JamesTait> MooDoo, o/
[09:03] <popey> AlanBell: what time are we meeting for beer tomorrow?
[09:03] <popey> also TheOpenSourcerer
[09:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> Good question popey
[09:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> I'm planning to just go straight from the office
[09:04] <AlanBell> I have a childrens party to start first
[09:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> As it is close. So could meet in the Cobbett whenevr you are ready.
[09:05] <AlanBell> which consists of turning on a DVD through a projector and walking out before the food starts flying
[09:05] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[09:05] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: Will you be in town this evening?
[09:12] <brobostigon> good morning eveyrone,
[09:34] <BigRedS> Goood Morning!
[09:34] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon BigRedS
[09:35] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:37] <BigRedS> Good MooDoo
[09:37] <BigRedS> er
[09:38] <BigRedS> "morning" apparently doesn't tab-complete
[09:38] <MooDoo> lol
[09:38] <BigRedS> I _really_ need a tab key that's wired into my brain
[09:38] <directhex> it does it someone here helpfully uses /nick morning for you
[09:39] <BigRedS> Haha, I generally try to tab-complete everything. I did that with my password first thing this morning...
[09:40] <MooDoo> thing is though every one will start referring to you as big<tab> ;) lol
[09:41] <BigRedS> Haha, but that's generally bigcalm :)
[09:47] <knightwise> ok , tried out bittorrent sync
[09:47] <knightwise> looks good so far
[09:47] <knightwise> (osx to osx) next up i'm gonna give the linux client a try
[09:47] <knightwise> the cool thing is.. you can run this on a headless server too (i think)
[09:50] <popey> indeed you can
[09:50] <popey> I ran it on my phone
[09:52] <SuperMatt> I'm gonna try setting up a network with my buddies, see if we can each set aside enough space for each other
[09:52] <SuperMatt> I'm assuming stuff can remain encrypted on the other end
[09:52] <popey> you can drop encrypted files in it
[09:52] <SuperMatt> ah right
[09:55] <SuperMatt> already had to post over on /r/ubuntu to let people know they shouldn't be posting links to ISOs yet -.-
[09:58] <SuperMatt> I think I should make a note to myself to remember to make similar posts on every release mornign
[10:03] <BigRedS> Personally,  were I canonical I'd just redirect all requests for *.iso to something that never resolves
[10:04] <knightwise> popey: there is a mobile client too ? (or are you just running ubuntu touch on your phone)
[10:07] <Myrtti> http://beeroclock.in/
[10:07] <MooDoo> Myrtti: yay
[10:09] <popey> knightwise: yes, i ran it on ubuntu touch
[10:12] <knightwise> cool :)
[10:18] <knightwise> if its reliable enough I think i'll be ditching Dropbox pretty soon.
[10:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> Sparkleshare is rather cool - just git and clients.
[10:19] <BigRedS> sparkleshare's brilliant
[10:19] <BigRedS> Actually, that's probably the other piece of software that's yet to annoy me
[10:34]  * AlanBell likes sparkleshare
[10:35] <AlanBell> bittorrent sync will probably be quite cool, there was a somewhat clue-lacking bbc article about it yesterday
[10:35] <AlanBell> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22281941
[10:38] <knightwise> I played around with owncloud but it took me forever to get it working over https
[10:39] <BigRedS> A clue-lacking article from the BBC? Never!
[10:42] <SuperMatt> knightwise: didn't take me long at all :/
[10:42] <SuperMatt> I'm running it now without issue
[10:43] <celesteh> Hi, I'm wondering what files are automatically invoked in gnome login?  I want to start a process automatically every time I login to the desktop.
[10:43] <SuperMatt> find the application called "startup applications"
[10:43] <SuperMatt> there you can set what starts up
[10:46] <celesteh> Thanks SuperMatt!
[10:46] <AlanBell> to be completely fair to the BBC they appear to have cornered a clueless analyst and got lots of quotes
[11:06] <redtape> afternoon peeps.
[11:06] <knightwise> SuperMatt: you did a standard 5 install ?
[11:06] <SuperMatt> not quite, actually
[11:07] <SuperMatt> I have nginx installed
[11:07] <knightwise> SuperMatt: do you have a good tutorial on how to get it from http to https  ?
[11:07] <knightwise> nginx ?
[11:07] <SuperMatt> yeah, it's just a faster webserver than apache
[11:07] <knightwise> aha
[11:07] <SuperMatt> so I'm not really much help to you here
[11:10] <BigRedS> surely there's a billion https-in-nginx tutorials?
[11:11] <SuperMatt> sure, but I can't help with apache ;)
[11:12] <SuperMatt> and tbh, I'm weary of suggesting to anyone how to configure apache for https because I just don't know how their server is configured and I could messs stuff up if I'm not careful
[11:13] <BigRedS> It's pretty simple to configure Apache for SSL, assuming the've already got the cleartext vhost working
[11:14] <BigRedS> just copy the vhost, make it :443 and add the SSL* lines
[11:14] <SuperMatt> yup yup, I know
[11:14] <SuperMatt> and in fact, on ubuntu you can just do a2ensite default-ssl
[11:14] <BigRedS> assuming you're serving out of /var/www
[11:14] <SuperMatt> very true
[11:14] <BigRedS> and want snakeoil certs
[11:15] <SuperMatt> but these are the things that I don't know about *other peoples* hosting, so I don't ever want to guess
[11:15] <BigRedS> yeah, but if they know which vhost they want to sslify, you can just have them copy that.It's very hard to break anything that way
[11:15] <BigRedS> possible, sure
[11:16] <SuperMatt> I'm just quite weary about making suggestions unless I have a definitive answer
[11:28] <shrik> hello all, is anybody able to upgrade to raring via do-release-upgrade?
[11:28] <popey> yes if you use -d, but after release you wont need that
[11:29] <popey> i.e. it's not been released yet
[11:29] <shrik> ah okay, thanks
[11:29] <brobostigon> anyone know of an android git client, that can push to a repo, aswell as pull. ?
[11:33]  * czajkowski stabs Laney 
[11:33] <Laney> omg
[11:33] <Laney> office busy?
[11:33] <shrik> brobostigon: have you looked at Terminal IDE? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.spartacusrex.spartacuside
[11:34] <czajkowski> Laney: aye
[11:34] <brobostigon> shrik: tried it, doesnt work, get https errors when i try and pull/clone, and also the fixes in their bug tracker dont help.
[11:34] <BigRedS_> shrik: I did it on friday
[11:35] <shrik> sorry about that, it works alright for me, but I only played around with it for a bit, and didn't try the git part!
[11:36] <brobostigon> shrik: everything else works fine, except for that bit, which is unfortunate, because it worked well.
[11:39] <shrik> that's unfortunate :( it wasn't an issue for me because I ssh into a vps for any dev stuff..
[11:40] <shrik> I'm curious though, what's your use-case? Just trying out stuff?
[11:41] <brobostigon> shrik: my use case, is being able to do basic edits on my nexus7, which i have connected to and arduino, which outputs to that nexus7, so i can make direct code adjustments and push to the arduino.
[11:46] <JamesTait> !isitout
[11:46] <JamesTait> Time for lunch then.
[11:49] <shrik> even busybox doesn't support it, I'm lost then..
[11:50]  * czajkowski slaps JamesTait you should know better
[11:50] <JamesTait> trollolololol
[11:51] <Nafallo> JamesTait: I wouldn't leave... almost there :-)
[11:51] <JamesTait> Nafallo, but I'm getting hungry, and I have a minetest issue to work out before my boys find out that I broke it and disown me.
[11:52] <brobostigon> minetest :)
[11:53] <JamesTait> And workrave is telling me I need a rest break.
[11:53] <JamesTait> It's probably right.
[11:53] <Nafallo> JamesTait: fine fine... but you might miss it :-)
[11:53] <JamesTait> I might... but I've already been spreading the good word, so it's not the end of the world.
[11:57] <ali1234> PHP Parse error:  syntax error, unexpected ',', expecting T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM
[11:57] <ali1234> wat
[12:00] <shauno> yummy, hebrew error messages.  that'll make your day interesting
[12:01] <shauno> http://php.net/manual/en/language.oop5.paamayim-nekudotayim.php
[12:03] <BigRedS_> that's one of the common complaints about php that I don't think is such a big problem
[12:04] <SuperMatt> !isitoutyet
[12:04] <SuperMatt> c'mon guys, it's 13.04
[12:04] <BigRedS_> Oh, I've still got that twitter thingy
[12:05] <MooDoo> we're not moaning as it's not released yet are we?
[12:06] <SuperMatt> weeeell, the twitter feed said it might be out at 13:04 :P
[12:06] <SuperMatt> I don't normally moan
[12:06] <MooDoo> sheesh ;)
[12:06] <MooDoo> as per the wonder id software, it's done when it's done ;)
[12:07] <BigRedS_> nah, there is an actual release date here, it's not like Debian
[12:09] <SuperMatt> there it is!
[12:09] <popey> it is now ☻
[12:10] <SuperMatt> thanks!
[12:10] <BigRedS_> hm? It just released?
[12:11] <Nafallo> possibly :-)
[12:11] <SuperMatt> now we have to wait for marky-boy's S announcement
[12:11] <popey> "marky-boy"?
[12:11] <popey> blimey
[12:11] <BigRedS_> you *are* familiar
[12:11] <MooDoo> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2013-April/thread.html
[12:11] <MooDoo> there you go
[12:11] <SuperMatt> never met the chap
[12:13] <SuperMatt> MooDoo: nothing about S in there
[12:13] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: sorry missed the S in your statement thought it was just a typo....i'll shut up now
[12:14] <BigRedS_> so does this mean Canonical are all getting to the pub in about 30 min?
[12:14] <SuperMatt> doubt it
[12:15] <SuperMatt> there's still a chance of critical bugs
[12:15] <BigRedS_> there's *always* a chance of critical bugs
[12:15] <BigRedS_> but now fixes are expected to be slower, 'cause it's not an rc any more
[12:18] <SuperMatt> just slammed down $46 on the donation page
[12:19] <Nafallo> doubt it, there will be champagne in the kitchen ;-)
[12:19] <Nafallo> unless that tradition has died down... popey? :-)
[12:20] <popey> I cant be in the office today
[12:20] <popey> also am working till 10pm
[12:20] <Nafallo> bah
[12:20] <Nafallo> okay
[12:20] <SuperMatt> so you're not going to be at the release party tonight popey?
[12:20] <popey> nope
[12:21] <SuperMatt> well darn
[12:32] <knightwise>  hmm.. new functions in Raring look promising
[12:38] <shrik> it's out.
[12:40] <JamesTait> I won't be enjoying champagne in the office or beer in London today either, popey.  I won't be working until 10pm though, so I pity you there.
[12:42] <JamesTait> I'll just have a quiet shandy by myself after the kids have gone to bed.
[12:42] <bigcalm> !isitoutyet
[12:42]  * BigRedS_ ponders the possibility of a rowdy shandy
[12:42] <bigcalm> Ooh. To the laptop!
[12:43] <Laney> just heard "ICT is the new sexy" on radio 4
[12:44] <BigRedS> I've been waiting for that to be the case for _years_
[12:47] <Laney> it was in a piece about sexism unfortunately
[12:49] <JamesTait> So, Snappy Serval, anyone?
[12:50] <bigcalm> Strike another possible name from the list
[12:50] <Nafallo> JamesTait: +1
[12:51] <JamesTait> The sabdfl announcement is always such an education - I don't know where he finds out about the animals he chooses, but I've usually never heard of them.
[12:52] <Nafallo> JamesTait: warthog? :-)
[12:52] <shauno> breezy wasn't too challenging either
[12:53] <shauno> at least I can pronounce this one though
[12:53] <JamesTait> I did say usually. ;)
[12:57] <bigcalm> Startup Disk Creator is crashing while trying to write the new iso to an sd card. Not too helpful that
[12:57] <bigcalm> I have no idea if it has finished creating the disk or not
[12:58] <popey> bug  perhaps
[12:58]  * bigcalm tries for a 3rd time
[12:59] <bigcalm> This time allowing it to create 1gb of user space
[13:00] <bigcalm> This time it has closed the util but not shown a crash dialogue
[13:00] <bigcalm> Maybe it worked
[13:01] <Laney> yeah we should do some work on that tool
[13:01] <shrik> where was snappy serval announced?
[13:01] <Laney> slim shady
[13:04] <JamesTait> shrik, I'm not aware that it has been.
[13:05] <JamesTait> shrik, I just made it up.
[13:29] <shrik> haha ok
[13:29] <Myrtti> slippery snail
[13:30] <daubers> hmmm.. raring is the first ubuntu release I haven't been running a pre-release of for a good few years now
[13:57] <shrik> slumbering sloth
[13:58] <shrik> that's the polar opposite of a snappy serval, i guess
[14:38] <MooDoo> saucy salamader, they get worse lol
[14:39] <Laney> sounds nice to me at first reading
[14:39] <Laney> better than oneiric
[14:39] <Laney> better than gutsy intrepid quantal
[14:40] <MooDoo> it'll be teasing toad next or tempestuous terrapin
[14:44] <shrik> there's already a http://www.saucysalamander.com/
[14:48] <Nafallo> perfect place for a release party ;-)
[14:57] <ali1234> will it really be 13.10, or will there be another push for a rolling release?
[14:59] <Nafallo> yes
[15:01] <Myrtti> to which question ;-)
[15:02] <bashrc> I hope the graphics card support in 13.04 is better than 12.10
[15:02] <ahayzen> Quantal's startup disk creator is broken?!
[15:02]  * ahayzen tries the KDE version
[15:03] <ali1234> i take that to mean rolling release proponents will make another push which will be denied by people with sense
[15:03] <mungbean> KDE..making ugly desktops since 4.0
[15:04] <ali1234> you can make it look decent actually
[15:04] <ahayzen> mungbean, just the app not the desktop :) ... anyone else had the usb creator in Quantal crash or just me?
[15:04] <ali1234> there's a theme that apes google chrome and looks quite nice
[15:05] <bashrc> What's ugly about KDE?
[15:05] <ali1234> oxygen, the default icon set, the default fonts (especially hinting)
[15:06] <ali1234> the toolbars and panels everywhere on everything are annoying too
[15:06] <ali1234> they overuse font sizes and bold and italic text everywhere too
[15:07] <ali1234> also nothing ever lines up properly... KDE cannot vertically align things consistently
[15:07] <ahayzen> ...sounds like someone doesn't like KDE :P
[15:07] <ali1234> i do like KDE actually
[15:07] <mungbean> yeah, toolbars, widgets, menus, huge areas of white/chrome space
[15:07] <ali1234> these problems are all papercuts really
[15:08] <ali1234> they can be fixed it just takes a loooooooong time when you start from defaults
[15:08] <ali1234> and a lot of them are trivial and stupid stuff that should have been fixed
[15:08] <ali1234> like the broken clock
[15:08] <ahayzen> ali1234 wht do u use as ur default DE+shell?
[15:08] <ali1234> https://plus.google.com/u/0/117474986382867317779/posts/GaQ9QVwrJ6D
[15:08] <ali1234> ahayzen: i use gnome-panel/gtk3
[15:09] <ahayzen> nice :)
[15:10] <ali1234> oh and compiz... because it is still the only wm with working zoom
[15:10] <ali1234> the ultimately configurable KDE cannot bind shortcuts to the mouse
[15:10] <ali1234> so you can't bind any WM function to mouse buttons
[15:10]  * ahayzen wonders if MIR will have zooming abilities
[15:10] <ali1234> so you can't zoom with the mouse
[15:11] <ali1234> this is a big problem with KDEs "code reuse everywhere" thing
[15:11] <ali1234> a lot of times it's not appropriate to reuse it, but they do anyway because they can
[15:11] <ali1234> like how if you open a text file in the file browser, it loads in an embedded text editor in the file browser
[15:11] <ali1234> i have no idea if it still does that but it used to annoy the hell out of me
[15:11] <ali1234> especially since file browser == web browser
[15:11] <directhex> i have a new graphics card
[15:12] <mungbean> how do i decrypt a file encrypted with openssl enc
[15:13]  * Laney stabs twitpic
[15:13] <ali1234> mungbean: you encode it with the decryption key - there is no "decode" as such
[15:13] <ahayzen> yey the usb-creator-kde has worked :)
[15:13] <Laney> putting my picture up sideways
[15:13] <Laney> and refusing to save the manual rotation
[15:13] <ali1234> s/code/crypt/g
[15:14] <mungbean> ah, use -d command
[15:15] <mungbean> what's the gnome password editor please?
[15:15] <ali1234> seahorse
[15:15] <mungbean> chars
[15:15] <mungbean> (not running running but someone's given me their file)
[15:15] <mungbean> hmm is there another one, like revelation?
[15:17] <mungbean> FPM?
[15:25] <mungbean> ah found a tool to convert fpm to keepassx
[15:34] <neuro> saucy
[15:34] <neuro> really
[15:34] <neuro> :)
[15:35] <MooDoo> my thoughts exactly.
[15:37] <bashrc> saucy
[15:37] <mungbean> sausage
[15:37] <neuro> hehe
[15:37] <bashrc> well at least it's not Beefy Miracle
[15:38]  * neuro waits patiently for the announcement of Tantric Tiger
[15:38] <neuro> or Tremulous Toucan
[15:38] <neuro> or Turbulent Tortoise
[15:39] <mungbean> saucy saucisson
[15:39] <mungbean> or sossy sandwich
[15:40] <neuro> ohhhh
[15:40] <neuro> git :)
[15:41] <mungbean> yay
[15:42] <mungbean> my favourite t-shirt is now available to buy
[15:43] <mungbean> http://shirt.woot.com/offers/by-your-powers-combined
[15:43] <ali1234> at least i know what a salamander is
[15:43] <MooDoo> bashrc: that was a cool name ;)
[15:47] <bittintop> my wifi card works under Ubuntu on my laptop now, think i should save some files from the Windows partion and reinstall it :)
[15:50] <bittin> my wifi card on my laptop works under GNU/Linux now lets kill the Windows partition :p
[16:02] <ali1234> why is ufw blocking connections on port 80 when it is specifically allowed?
[16:03] <ali1234> [17039148.937362] [UFW BLOCK] IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=<> SRC=<> DST=<> LEN=40 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=54 ID=0 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=44640 DPT=80 WINDOW=0 RES=0x00 RST URGP=0
[16:04] <ali1234> SRC = my IP
[16:12] <shauno> what do you get for iptables --list | grep dpt:www
[16:15]  * AlanBell heads in to the party
[16:17] <MooDoo> have fun :)
[16:25] <directhex> i like iptables-persistent
[16:25] <directhex> it doesn't get in the way
[16:25] <directhex> much
[16:58] <kvarley> FGLRX is driving me insane
[16:58] <kvarley> I can't get it to disable overscan at all
[16:59] <kvarley> Not via Catalyst GUI or via amdconfig or via editing the config files manually
[16:59] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: isn't it a setting on the screen you're outputting to?
[17:00] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: I mean it's a monitor that doesn't use overscan and the driver things it does because it's over HDMI
[17:00] <kvarley> I can change the overscan via the gui but it only works until I reboot
[17:00] <MartijnVdS> overscan is an old remnant of analog TV
[17:00] <MartijnVdS> why would anyone in their right minds use it on HDMI!?
[17:00] <kvarley> No idea, tell AMD
[17:00] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: does it work with the free driver/
[17:00] <kvarley> They used to be good with their drivers as far as I can remember
[17:01] <kvarley> Ever since 12.10 it's been an uphill struggle
[17:01] <kvarley> MartijnVdS:  Unity is so sluggish with the open source driver
[17:01] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: So yes, but barely
[17:02] <MartijnVdS> weird!
[17:02] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: doesn't aticonfig work?
[17:02] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: it should be able to set over/underscan
[17:03] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: No
[17:03] <kvarley> Neither does editing the config files manually
[17:03] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: I guess you found http://nixnote.blogspot.nl/2012/06/amd-catalyst-fixing-underscan.html already?
[17:05] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: Ah ha, that was the command I was looking for - thanks! BRB
[17:07] <kvarley> It works \0/ thanks MartijnVdS
[17:26] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[18:43] <directhex> yeah, this raring upgrade is going great
[18:43] <directhex> kernel install failure, initramfs-tools install failure, then apport failure
[18:52] <dwatkins_> hmm, I appear to have rejoined automatically.
[19:28] <shrik> did anyone else have their Ubuntu become a Kubuntu after the upgrade?
[19:32] <popey> heh
[19:40] <czajkowski> Laney: http://i.imgur.com/O5l9Kxh.jpg
[19:44] <shrik> my bootup splash screen is a Kubuntu one, and my GRUB entry says Kubuntu. But login screen and desktop are all Unity.
[19:44] <shrik> So confused right now.
[20:28] <redtape> Nice Full moon tonite ... :::: http://imgur.com/gallery/zFT4M
[20:30] <AlanBell> evening all
[20:30]  * AlanBell is in a pub
[20:32] <popey> yo
[20:32]  * popey is still working
[20:32] <mgdm> How come? Time zone fun?
[20:34] <redtape> AlanBell: Beer or Cider ?
[20:42] <mungbean> is wae
[20:42] <mungbean> watching new old morse
[20:46] <redtape> Between 2 ferns is back on .. If anyone wants a laugh ... :::   http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/40427c7af8/between-two-ferns-oscar-buzz-edition-part-1?rel=player&playlist=135161
[20:50] <AlanBell> beer
[20:51] <popey> mgdm: meetings with community developers
[20:51] <popey> people contributing who can't meet during the working day
[20:52] <mgdm> ahh
[20:59] <popey> \o/ finished
[21:00] <mgdm> \o/
[21:50] <aex> aloo
[21:50] <aex> any
[21:50] <aex> need help
[21:51] <redtape> oo net split .. over now .. whatsup ?
[22:01] <popey> aex: wassup?