[00:17] <jrwren> not looking forward to this 45min drive :(
[00:48] <rick_h_> http://schiit.com/
[00:55] <jjesse> awesome
[01:23] <jrwren> where is everyone?
[01:23] <rick_h_> jrwren: back of the shop
[01:23] <jjesse> taking a nap?
[01:23] <jrwren> there is a back?
[01:44] <rick_h_> https://plus.google.com/u/0/+AdeOshineye/posts/eZAuPA2JH5U
[01:58] <rick_h_> the response http://bigjools.wordpress.com/2013/04/24/error-handling-in-go/
[01:58] <rick_h_> the original http://blog.labix.org/2013/04/23/exceptional-crashes
[11:43] <snap-l> Good morning
[11:43] <rick_h_> morning
[11:50] <rick_h_> OMG! the backup finally just stopped
[11:50] <rick_h_> lol "18152994.43 bytes/sec"
[11:51] <rick_h_> 1059642061750 bytes received
[11:53] <rick_h_> doesn't say how long it actually spent in transfer though
[12:01] <snap-l> That's what the time command is for. :)
[12:03] <rick_h_> well I should have thought of that a day ago :P
[12:05] <snap-l> Yeah, hindsight and all
[12:05] <snap-l> BTW: It's bring your daughters and sons to work today
[12:05] <rick_h_> snap-l: ooh, fun day
[12:06] <rick_h_> having a typing contest :)
[12:06] <snap-l> Apparently there's still a legend 'round these parts about the typing contest. :)
[12:06] <rick_h_> http://www.wordsperminutetest.com/
[12:06] <rick_h_> :P
[12:06] <snap-l> I was introduced as the rick_h_ replacement
[12:06] <snap-l> I corrected, and said I was the rick_h_ dilletante. ;)
[12:06] <rick_h_> lol, you must compete in my stead!
[12:08] <snap-l> Yeah, not happening. :)
[12:08] <snap-l> It'd be like watching walker races at the assisted living facility.
[12:08] <rick_h_> those can be entertaining
[12:13] <snap-l> Raring Ringtail is released.
[12:16] <flipsidecreation> loading Raring Ringtail then sudo apt-get remove unity-lens-shopping
[13:39] <brousch> I can see greg-g on this https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bJXXckWLc0E#!
[13:42] <flipsidecreation> brousch: wow
[13:42] <jrwren_> glad its not bring your daughters and sons to work today here. my daughter is home sick :(
[13:44] <brousch> jrwren_: Work from home!
[13:44] <jrwren_> running do release upgrade :)
[13:44] <jrwren_> brousch: a great idea!
[13:45] <jrwren_> i don't work from home much though. I'm a lazy mofo and keep work at work and play at home.
[13:52] <jrwren_> oh sweet, network manager may be going away: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1303-converged-network-stack
[14:06] <snap-l> As long as things don't break, I'm OK with whatever they use.
[14:28] <jrwren_> crap... new tmux with protocol version change. AFAICT i can't upgrade the the tmux package to raring without entirely reseting tmux :(
[14:29] <snap-l> What did they change?
[14:29] <snap-l> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/iterm2-discuss/B2ZXG-_WZE8
[14:29] <snap-l> Ah
[14:32] <jrwren_> wow, smosers name is all over the change logs for new raring packages. isc-dhcp and kmod.  well done smoser
[14:36] <smoser> :)
[15:03] <snap-l> Saucy Salamander?
[15:04] <snap-l> http://www.saucysalamander.com/
[15:06] <flipsidecreation> I was hoping for Sensual Sasquatch
[15:30] <greg-g> oh yeah, today's the official bring your kids to work, oops
[15:31] <flipsidecreation> I am skipping that holiday as well too
[15:32] <ColonelPanic001> is it?
[15:32] <ColonelPanic001> crap
[15:32] <ColonelPanic001> that explains the short person around here
[15:32] <ColonelPanic001> seriously I heard some kid over on the other side of the cubefarm
[15:32] <ColonelPanic001> why would I bring my kid here? to watch me type?
[15:33] <ColonelPanic001> good thing they don't exist
[15:33] <Blazeix> snap-l: fyi, my coworker used your ting referral code
[15:34] <snap-l> Blazeix: Awesomesauce. Thank you!
[15:34] <flipsidecreation> My kids come to work with me from time to time, not much work gets done
[15:34] <snap-l> Yeah, I'm having headphone appreciation day.
[15:34] <ColonelPanic001> I'm still tossing around the idea of Ting. Not sure if I'm in contract now or not,a ctually, should check that
[15:34] <ColonelPanic001> but then I think I might not be able to use the phones at work. That's a bit of an issue
[15:34] <snap-l> Not that I mind, but I have a rare bout of focus that I'd like to hold onto
[15:35] <snap-l> ColonelPanic001: Simple test: How does Sprint service work in your area?
[15:35] <greg-g> brousch: waaaaay too tall for me, that stuff scares me
[15:35] <ColonelPanic001> never been on sprint, beats me
[15:35] <snap-l> ColonelPanic001: ask around.
[15:36] <ColonelPanic001> UnFixed: didn't you change to Ting? How is it in MidTown?
[15:36] <snap-l> I know that requires that "hyoo-man con tact" but... ;)
[15:36] <ColonelPanic001> I guess you wouldn't know for Downriver
[15:36] <ColonelPanic001> snap-l: nonsense, that's what SMS is for :)
[15:36] <snap-l> heh
[15:36] <UnFixed> Sprints pretty good in midtown
[15:37] <UnFixed> ive always got a decent signal
[15:37] <UnFixed> HOWEVEr
[15:37] <UnFixed> i there isnt any LTE for sprint in detroit yet
[15:37] <snap-l> Or 4G
[15:37] <UnFixed> so 3G
[15:37] <UnFixed> tmobile's HSPA+ was faster
[15:37] <UnFixed> but honestly, i dont notice it much.
[15:37] <snap-l> Yeah, just saw an announcement that several spots in Indiana were getting LTE
[15:38] <snap-l> I'm sure the cornfields will appreciate the enhanced data
[15:39] <snap-l> Bay City, MI
[15:39] <snap-l> http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/01/16/sprint-announces-28-new-lte-markets-going-live-in-the-coming-months/
[15:39] <UnFixed> yeah
[15:39] <snap-l> Saginaw, MI
[15:39] <UnFixed> ting mentioned it on their blog also
[15:39] <snap-l> Last I saw there weren't any MI locations, so this is an improvement
[15:40] <snap-l> Should I ever leave the house and decide to head to Bay City or Saginaw
[15:40] <ColonelPanic001> I don't really care about 4g, etc. I use wireless networks around here anyway
[15:40] <ColonelPanic001> and all I do as far as data on the phone is reddit anyway
[15:40] <ColonelPanic001> reddit/email
[15:40] <snap-l> Yeah you should be OK
[15:41] <UnFixed> yeah
[15:41] <snap-l> Only gotcha I had with Sprint is my neighborhood is the dead zone for every carrier
[15:41] <UnFixed> and working on campus, wifi is everywhere
[15:41] <snap-l> TMo, AT&T
[15:41] <snap-l> I think Verizon as well
[15:41] <UnFixed> my only gripe is some parts of my house get a spotty signal
[15:41] <UnFixed> top floor is fine
[15:41] <UnFixed> and i dont have a landline
[15:42] <UnFixed> its not awful
[15:42] <snap-l> Yeah, we have to keep our landline
[15:42] <UnFixed> but can get choppy call quality in the worst spots
[15:42] <snap-l> Thought about getting the Airrave
[15:42] <ColonelPanic001> I don't call people anyway
[15:42] <UnFixed> i dont want to pay for the airrave
[15:42] <UnFixed> not worth the price to me
[15:42] <snap-l> ColonelPanic001: So tell me again why you're getting a phone?
[15:42] <snap-l> Quality Reading on the toilet?
[15:43] <ColonelPanic001> now and then, people call me
[15:43] <ColonelPanic001> and Text messaging
[15:43] <ColonelPanic001> and reddit
[15:43] <UnFixed> ColonelPanic001: are you looking at ting?
[15:43] <UnFixed> i have not read scrollback
[15:43] <ColonelPanic001> not seriously, but it does sound enticing
[15:43] <ColonelPanic001> as in, cheaper
[15:44] <snap-l> ColonelPanic001: Honestly, Ting makes sense for you
[15:44] <snap-l> the less you use, the less you pay
[15:44] <UnFixed> well
[15:44] <ColonelPanic001> yeah, UnFixed mentioned that once - that is pretty nice
[15:44] <UnFixed> thing is
[15:44] <UnFixed> he can use work phones, since hes in a group that does android dev
[15:44] <snap-l> (https://z6oc11q87.ting.com/ <- my referral code)
[15:44] <UnFixed> but
[15:45] <UnFixed> if you go with ting, you're tied down to your phone
[15:45] <UnFixed> its not like GSM
[15:45] <snap-l> Right, it's a Sprint-only device.
[15:45] <UnFixed> where you just switch out your sim card.
[15:45] <ColonelPanic001> whut
[15:45] <UnFixed> you have to use your sprint/ting phone
[15:45] <snap-l> Sprint and Verizon are CDMA-based.
[15:45] <ColonelPanic001> How very vendor-locky-in of them
[15:45] <snap-l> and they're incompatible with each other.
[15:45] <UnFixed> yes
[15:46] <UnFixed> though iirc, cdma actually has a lot of benefits over gsm
[15:46] <ColonelPanic001> anything I'd notice or care about?
[15:46] <snap-l> However, if you're not planning on doing travel, and aren't one to switch phones all the time, it might make sense.
[15:46] <UnFixed> no
[15:46] <ColonelPanic001> I don't travel much, and I switch phones, but not commonly
[15:46] <ColonelPanic001> and that's because they're not mine
[15:46] <ColonelPanic001> it's not a deal-breaker
[15:48] <UnFixed> so
[15:49] <UnFixed> my billing period ends in 7 days
[15:49] <UnFixed> and im currently at $15
[15:50] <ColonelPanic001> nice
[15:50]  * ColonelPanic001 sends text messages
[15:50] <UnFixed> i actually have very little sms usage
[15:51] <UnFixed> i text almost exclusively through google voice
[15:51] <UnFixed> which is just data
[15:51] <UnFixed> ive got another 80 messages before i get changed for mroe
[15:51] <UnFixed> ive used ~20
[15:51] <UnFixed> and most are probably from _stink__
[15:53] <ColonelPanic001> I can send 80 SMSes in a week
[15:53] <ColonelPanic001> time to increase your bill
[15:53] <UnFixed> D:
[16:58] <snap-l> So, how about that afternoon?
[17:03] <ColonelPanic001> hi
[17:03] <ColonelPanic001> afternoon is okay
[17:03] <greg-g> not here yet
[17:03] <ColonelPanic001> Penguicon tomorrow. You doing your traditional "record an episode at Pcon"?
[17:05] <rick_h_> so have I missed anything today?
[17:05]  * rick_h_ looks up for the first time since this morning
[17:10] <snap-l> rick_h_: Apparently 13.04 was pinched off.
[17:14] <greg-g> gross
[17:15] <rick_h_> oh yea. that was today? :P
[17:15] <snap-l> greg-g: You just chose to take it that way. ;)
[17:15] <brousch> nice
[17:16] <ColonelPanic001> Shuttleworth pinched off a loaf of Linux
[17:16] <ColonelPanic001> no jokes about kernels in it
[17:16] <greg-g> snap-l: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pinch_one_off
[17:16] <greg-g> KORN!
[17:17] <snap-l> greg-g: I said "pinch off", as in the floral sense.
[17:17] <greg-g> oh, it's fragrent
[17:17] <snap-l> (yes, I had to look that corner case. ;) )
[17:17] <greg-g> :)
[17:19] <jrwren_> wtf are you people talking about?
[17:19] <greg-g> nothing
[17:19] <brousch> jrwren_: lemur scat
[17:19] <jrwren_> gross
[17:19] <snap-l> and we now know one of brousch's hobbies
[17:23] <flipsidecreation> and much to my disappointment 13.10 is being called Saucy Salamander and not Sexy Sheep
[17:23] <jrwren_> i wanted slimy succubus
[17:23] <brousch> flipsidecreation: Are you from New Zealand?
[17:24] <flipsidecreation> Irish heritage
[17:25] <brousch> I'm hoping for Tantalizing Tarsier. Tarsiers are my favorites
[17:27] <ColonelPanic001> so much potential when they come back to "F"
[17:28] <greg-g> brousch: I got it, don't worry
[17:31] <greg-g> wait, Canonical is using "ubunt.eu" as it's shorturl domain? I.... uh....
[17:39] <snap-l> Probably because .tu would make Canonical part of some export restrictions
[17:40] <snap-l> Assuming it even exists. ;)
[17:40] <snap-l> Hah, it doesn't.
[17:41] <snap-l> Maybe Canonical could buy a country and apply for the .tu domain?
[17:41] <snap-l> TLD rather?
[17:43] <greg-g> snap-l++
[17:49] <snap-l> So, who got their WWDC tickets?
[17:49] <snap-l> Apparently they're going for Code Mash levels of not-getting-a-ticket.
[17:55] <devinheitmueller> I feel like I should hold a conference called WWCD down the street from there the same week, for the thousands of people who couldn't get tickets to WWDC.
[17:57] <snap-l> World Wide Convention Dyslexia?
[17:57] <devinheitmueller> HA!
[17:59] <snap-l> devinheitmueller: OK to post that to the intertubes w/ your name on it?
[17:59] <devinheitmueller> Be my guest.  :-)
[17:59] <snap-l> posted. :)
[18:09] <jrwren_> i think WWDC is about 10 times bigger than codemash, but I could be wrong.
[19:16] <greg-g> heya, anyone in here know an example of where a FLOSS project's community "elects" (for some value of elect) the release manager for the next X period of time?
[19:16] <greg-g> I was told django and python do, but I can't find any documentation on it.
[19:16] <jcastro> I believe Xorg does/did
[19:16] <jcastro> I think they rotate and choose at their conference
[19:16] <greg-g> OpenStack does, through the Tech Committee
[19:16] <brousch> greg-g: I don't think Python elects
[19:16] <greg-g> jcastro: cool
[19:16] <brousch> If they elect, it is just core devs who vote
[19:17] <greg-g> brousch: that's acceptable (I'm just looking for examples)
[19:17] <jcastro> I don't know the details, but I remember them (Xorg) announcing things like that on the mailing list.
[19:17] <greg-g> jcastro: coolio, I'll take a look
[19:18] <brousch> greg-g: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.devel/127733
[19:19] <greg-g> brousch: hah, thanks
[19:32] <snap-l> http://www.ismytwitterpasswordsecure.com/
[19:32] <flipsidecreation> Ha
[19:33] <flipsidecreation> Dam it! it won't let me check!
[19:33] <snap-l> turn off javascript and try it.
[19:34]  * greg-g viewed source on that page when he first saw it
[19:50] <greg-g> jcastro: what happened in March that caused the number of open blueprint items to jump so much? http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-raring/
[19:50] <greg-g> the whole "rolling release fiasco" was in feb
[19:50] <rick_h_> lol, fiasco?
[19:51] <greg-g> the email that Steve L sent suggesting the move to a rolling release that caused a lot of uproar
[19:51] <rick_h_> http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-raring/group/topic-raring-unity-apis.html seems to have hur but it's 13.10 for some api/backend stuff?
[19:53] <greg-g> rick_h_: yeah, looks like that's the only group that jumped in March
[19:53] <greg-g> blame it on Unity
[19:53] <greg-g> ;)
[19:53] <rick_h_> works for me! :)
[19:54] <greg-g> but...
[19:54] <greg-g> on the unity one, the jump was only like 20 work items, on that big overgraph, it's hundreds
[19:54] <jcastro> greg-g: yeah I think all the mir/unitynext crap got piled on
[19:54] <greg-g> oh, MIR!
[19:54] <greg-g> right!
[19:54] <greg-g> that makes sense
[19:54] <jcastro> that + moving to 3 month UDS cycles confused everyone I think
[19:55] <jcastro> I have no idea what the status of my raring items are
[19:55] <jcastro> I moved them all over to 13.03
[19:55]  * greg-g nods
[23:31] <brousch> Crap. A 2 year old SSD just died on me
[23:31] <rick_h_> :(
[23:31] <brousch> Gonna be a fun night installing windows
[23:33] <brousch> hm, 3 year warantee
[23:35] <rick_h_> brousch: what brand?
[23:35] <brousch> OCZ
[23:36] <snap-l> Ugh
[23:36] <snap-l> That's my biggest fear with SSD
[23:37] <rick_h_> I don't know why it's more than any other drive
[23:37] <rick_h_> but I will say I'm not an OCZ fan so I'm keeping quiet
[23:38] <brousch> The bad part is how suddenly it fails
[23:39] <brousch> With a hard drive you have weeks to years of grinding noises
[23:40] <brousch> This thing worked fine for 2 years, then one reboot it's totally gone
[23:40] <brousch> 3 year warranty is unexpected
[23:41] <rick_h_> good ones are 3 or 5
[23:41] <rick_h_> intel 520s are 5yr
[23:41] <rick_h_> crucial's are 3 I think
[23:42] <rick_h_> yea, 3yr on the m500 models and such
[23:43] <rick_h_> woot! expanding the nas volume now. from 1.79 to 2.72TB
[23:50] <brousch> nice