[05:32] <Symmetria> sup
[05:32] <Symmetria> wheeee, someone finally came out with a viable dirt cheap 8 port 10gig switch
[05:32] <Symmetria> copper switch that is
[05:32] <Symmetria> that you could actually use at home
[05:46] <Kilos> morning all
[05:46]  * Kilos waits to see if the power is going off again today
[05:58] <Symmetria> morning
[05:58] <Symmetria> lol, I just called in an electrician to fix my power against power outages
[05:58] <Symmetria> now got a diesel generator in the back yard and a UPS to clean the power outta it, hooked straight into the main board
[06:00] <Tinuva> morning Symmetria 
[06:00] <Tinuva> you back in SA?
[06:00] <Symmetria> Tinuva yeah till sunday I am
[06:01] <Tinuva> oh lovely
[06:01] <Symmetria> heh flying back to Kenya on sunday
[06:01] <Symmetria> for a week
[06:04] <Tinuva> interesting
[06:04] <Tinuva> and then?
[06:04] <Symmetria> heh then back to za for a few days
[06:04] <Symmetria> then we shall see
[06:04] <Symmetria> might have to go to london for 3 or 4 days
[06:05] <Tinuva> crazy
[06:05] <Symmetria> *shrug* I take it day at a time, fly whereever it says on whatever ticket lands in my inbox
[06:05] <Symmetria> I've spent a week at home in the last month ;p
[06:07] <Kilos> ouch
[06:12] <Symmetria> http://www.zdnet.com/netgear-launches-affordable-10-gigabit-switches-for-smes-7000013507/
[06:12] <Symmetria> I just ordered myself one of those :)
[06:14] <Kilos> Symmetria: how can i do a speedtest of my 3g without going to speedtest.com
[06:14] <Kilos> want to rev up 8ta a bit
[06:17] <Symmetria> kilos heh, dunno, aint done speed tests over low speed links in ages
[06:17] <Symmetria> and the methods I use for speed testing would half kill 8ta's network never mind a 3G modem
[06:18] <Kilos> ok
[06:18] <Symmetria> http://jesuschristsiliconvalley.tumblr.com/post/48596551224/nice-piece-of-glass
[06:18] <Symmetria> hahaha oh man thats a hilarious article
[06:18] <Kilos> hehe
[06:18] <Kilos> ai!
[06:25] <Kilos> morning superfly 
[06:29] <Squirm> morning
[06:31] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 Squirm 
[06:32] <superfly> hi Kilos!
[06:57] <Vince-0> heyo!
[07:02] <Symmetria> hrm
[07:02] <Symmetria> so juniper has this awesome cloud virtulization tool
[07:02] <Symmetria> so you can build a network in the cloud
[07:02] <Symmetria> to lab stuff
[07:13] <nuvolari> o/ hello's
[07:13] <nuvolari> does anyone have experience of training sites?
[07:13] <nuvolari> or have an opinion on lynda.com?
[07:15] <Kilos> lo nuvolari 
[07:33] <Kilos> ohi morgs wb
[07:33] <morgs> hi hi
[07:38] <superfly> hey hey morgs!
[07:38] <morgs> hi superfly
[07:39] <superfly> morgs: did I ask you what you thought of my boss's talk at ScaleConf?
[07:39] <superfly> nuvolari: have you looked at coursera?
[07:39] <superfly> nuvolari: https://www.coursera.org/
[07:39] <morgs> superfly: It was very interesting, rare to see the hardware and software all developed together
[07:39] <superfly> :-)
[07:40] <superfly> morgs: any constructive criticism (apart from: don't be so nervous!)
[07:41] <morgs> superfly: oh, the talk was great. We have some mutual interests in the purchasing of airtime across multiple countries - I have Dale's contact details, I'll get in touch
[07:41] <superfly> morgs: cool, thanks for the feedback
[07:44] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos 
[07:45] <nuvolari> thanks superfly, I'll have a look, I don't know training sites well, so I'll have a look
[07:47] <nuvolari> I found teamtreehouse.com which seems more focussed than lynda.com
[07:48] <nuvolari> superfly: coursera looks too much like 'formal' training. I don't know the exact requirements, but some of us were asked to comment on lynda.com from a dev's POV
[07:50] <superfly> nuvolari: coursera is content from various universities from around the world that you can do for free
[07:50] <superfly> nuvolari: you didn't tell me WYATTD
[07:50] <superfly> Maaz: WAYTTD
[07:50] <Maaz> superfly: WAYTTD is What Are You Trying To Do?
[07:54] <Symmetria> haha I was printing invoices and my mother was at my place, she picks up one of the invoices, looks at it and goes "errr, you got a typo on this" Im like, where, she's like, there is an extra zero at the end of the price, Im like, no mom, thats a real invoice
[07:54] <Symmetria> ;p so I got a lecture on the fact that from now on Im paying her cell phone, her car and everything else
[07:54] <Kilos> lol
[07:55] <Symmetria> I think if the invoice had been in rands she wouldnt have blinked
[07:57] <trender> (.)(.)
[07:58] <trender>   __
[08:09] <magespawn> Symmetria: in regards to that netgear switch, i think they use affordable in a non south african sense
[08:23] <Symmetria> magespawn, a thousand dollars for an 8 port 10gig switch is not bad
[08:23] <Symmetria> thats 8 grand
[08:23] <Symmetria> ooops 9 grand
[08:24] <magespawn> not questioning the value, just saying most small businesses i know would not want to spend that much on IT equipment
[08:36] <Kilos> tumbleweed: are they doing final fixing of 13.04 on #ubuntu-release
[08:58] <tumbleweed> Kilos: actually, haven't been very involved in this one
[08:58] <tumbleweed> been busy, recently (and sick, this week)
[08:59] <Kilos> aw sorry to hear that
[09:00] <Kilos> get well soon
[09:16] <Symmetria> heh sweet, Aruba coming to install my wifi gear at home
[09:16] <Symmetria> cant wait till I have DECENT wifi
[09:32] <Squirm> finally
[09:32] <Squirm> S3 coming this afternoon
[09:55] <Kilos> if they dont get lost Squirm 
[09:58] <Squirm> shush
[09:58] <Squirm> the "agent" sounded like he was capable of doing such a thing
[10:01] <Kilos> lol
[10:34] <nuvolari> sorry superfly 
[10:36] <Tinuva> Kilos, 13.04 is already spreading out to mirrors
[10:36] <Tinuva> for example I just pulled it on to ftp.wa.co.za
[10:36] <Tinuva> so you can just go visit http://za.releases.ubuntu.com/raring/
[10:36] <Kilos> will get it tonight with night surfer data ty Tinuva 
[10:37] <Kilos> arent those guys on #ubuntu-release still busy with it?
[10:38] <Tinuva> dont know
[10:38] <Tinuva> i just pulled it from the official rsync mirror
[10:39] <Kilos> hi not_found 
[10:39] <Kilos> you been a stranger hey
[10:39] <not_found> alo
[10:39] <not_found> yup
[10:39] <not_found> :/
[10:39] <Kilos> wb
[10:40] <Kilos> inetpro: you havent changed the date of next meeting yet
[10:40] <Tinuva> Kilos, i think they give the mirrors time to update before the officially announce it
[10:40] <Kilos> naughty
[10:40] <Kilos> ah that could be it ty Tinuva 
[10:40] <Tinuva> most mirrors that update from the official ubuntu repo will be set to update about every 4 hours
[10:40] <Kilos> will try stay awake tonight
[10:41] <Tinuva> and i think the iso was only released 10:38am SA time
[10:41] <tonberryE352> so this will be a rolling release?
[10:41] <tonberryE352> or were they all talk again?
[10:41] <Tinuva> its not rolling yet
[10:42] <tonberryE352> ah
[10:42] <tonberryE352> well 12.04 is still working fine for me
[10:42] <Kilos> i dont savvy what they mean by rolling release
[10:42] <Kilos> yeah my 12.04 kde rocks
[10:43] <Kilos> the unity only had 3g connection probs
[10:43] <Tinuva> hmm guys in ubuntu-release talking quite a bit atm, so i guess there will already be some updates
[10:44] <Kilos> yeah they been going all morning
[11:02] <Kilos> ty inetpro 
[11:04] <Kilos> hmm... no hype here yet for the new release
[11:05] <not_found> the interim releases have now lost there shine... not so important to Ubuntu...
[11:05] <not_found> no more real hype or anything
[11:05] <tonberryE352> "great more broken unity"
[11:06] <tonberryE352> needs a ,
[11:11] <Kilos> if 12.04 unity had have connected without probs here i woulda stayed on 12.04 completely
[11:11] <Kilos> but now will try new unity
[11:11] <Kilos> and stay with 12.04 kde
[11:16] <Kilos> ai! the time thing again. How does UCT compare to GMT
[11:17] <HawkiesZA> For most purposes they're the same
[11:17] <Kilos> ah ty so they also 2 hours behind us
[11:18] <superfly> Kilos: UCT is an absolute time whereas GMT is a timezone
[11:19] <Kilos> im lost
[11:20] <Kilos> surely it must centre somewhere or how do we know when it relates to our time
[11:20] <superfly> Kilos: a timezone is the time dependent on absolute time
[11:21] <superfly> Kilos: UTC is this "centre" you talk about
[11:21] <Kilos> so what is our time compared to 11:00 UTC
[11:21] <superfly> 13:00 SAST
[11:22] <Kilos> oh thats now
[11:22] <Kilos> ty superfly 
[11:22] <Kilos> hi HawkiesZA
[11:22] <HawkiesZA_> Hello again
[11:22] <HawkiesZA_> That was weird
[11:22] <Kilos> lol
[11:22] <HawkiesZA_> Someone kick my old self :P
[11:23] <Kilos> you just joined it says here
[11:23] <Kilos> there is a ghost command
[11:23] <Kilos> lol
[11:23] <HawkiesZA_> Thanks morgs :P
[11:24] <morgs> :)
[11:24] <morgs> but yes if you have a registered account with nickserv, you can use ghost to kick the old one
[11:25] <HawkiesZA_> My irc-fu is lacking
[11:27] <Kilos> just do /nick HawkiesZA
[11:27] <HawkiesZA_> Yeah...Just waiting a little for it
[11:27] <Kilos> or /msg nickserv identify "password"
[11:30] <HawkiesZA> Hurray!
[11:32] <Kilos> lol
[11:33] <inetpro> so there's a chance that the release will be announced at 15:04 SAST?
[11:33] <inetpro> that would be 13:04 UTC
[11:34] <HawkiesZA> meh. I'll need to update from 12.04 at home
[11:34] <HawkiesZA> Not sure if I want to go through all that trouble
[11:41] <Kilos> haha g+ just invited ubuntu-za to attend our own meeting
[11:41] <Kilos> inetpro: speel jy lekker
[11:42] <inetpro> Kilos: uh, speel?
[11:42] <Kilos> werk
[11:42] <Kilos> hehe
[11:43] <inetpro> ai!
[11:49] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za 
[11:49] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos
[12:13] <Kilos> looks like 13.04 is released
[12:14] <Squirm> lo
[12:26] <Tinuva> there seems to be a problem with 13.04 arm kde iso
[12:44] <nuvolari> \o/
[12:44] <nuvolari> xubuntu?
[12:45]  * nuvolari checks
[12:57] <Tinuva> isnt xubuntu on seperate mirrors?
[12:58] <inetpro> Tinuva: why?
[12:59] <Tinuva> dont see it on the official ubuntu mirrors
[12:59] <inetpro> Please note that it will take some time before all the mirrors will be updated with the new images. We will be updating this page as the mirrors have the new images up. http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/
[13:01] <Tinuva> yup
[13:39] <Symmetria> yay! I finally went and got me a notebook
[14:21] <charl> good afternoon
[14:23] <Kilos> hi charl 
[14:23] <charl> how's it going
[14:24] <Kilos> ok ty and you?
[14:25] <charl> good good
[14:26] <charl> just installed the stable of 13.04
[14:26] <charl> in a vm for now, i will install it on my laptop in a week or two
[14:26] <charl> but so far it's looking goood
[14:27] <Kilos> how good?
[14:27] <Kilos> whats improved over 12.04
[14:27] <charl> that would be hard to say :)
[14:27] <charl> over 12.04 - well i'm using 12.10 right now
[14:27] <Kilos> and is it better than 12.10
[14:28] <Kilos> i didnt enjoy everything fading in 12.10
[14:28] <Kilos> like to snap to next window not fade in and out
[14:29] <charl> is that in unity?
[14:29] <Kilos> ya
[14:29] <charl> i have never really used unity much, i'm glad to see canonical is experimenting but it is not my kind of thing
[14:29] <Kilos> i tried 12.10 but found 12.04 quicker
[14:29] <Kilos> what are you using then?
[14:30] <charl> i am still sticking to kde for the moment - 12.10 has kde 4.9.5 and 13.04 has kde 4.10.2
[14:30] <Kilos> ah and whats better?
[14:30] <Kilos> im on kde here
[14:30] <Symmetria> hrm, are there any non-apple notebooks that have retina displays on them?
[14:31] <Symmetria> (or equiv. of a retina display)
[14:31] <charl> for me it's mainly that and a bunch of updated software
[14:31] <charl> no radical improvements
[14:31] <magespawn> later all
[14:31] <Kilos> go safe magespawn 
[14:31] <charl> later magespawn !
[14:31] <Symmetria> my parents want a notebook and with them having worked on my macbooks they want a similar screen but I dont know if anything like that exists in non-apple world
[14:31] <Symmetria> later magespawn
[14:32] <charl> some of the latest tablets i believe have very good displays
[14:33] <charl> i don't know about pcs/laptops though
[14:35] <charl> wow unity is terribly slow inside vmware
[14:35] <charl> kde is snappy
[14:35] <charl> not hitting on unity btw, just an observation
[14:37] <Symmetria> the macbook pro I got has like, a 2500 x something display or something crazy
[14:37] <Symmetria> its pretty awesome
[14:37] <charl> why on the earth did they put an amazon link in the sidebar
[14:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://asia.cnet.com/roundup-laptops-with-high-resolution-screens-update-62219497.htm
[14:38] <charl> surely you don't start putting all your web links in a sidebar like on a tablet or phone
[14:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> i was reading a similar article earlier focused on tablets
[14:39] <charl> i'm impressed that the google chrome book is also there
[14:40] <charl> but the price is high
[14:44] <Squirm> S3 has arrived :)
[14:45] <nlsthzn> galaxy
[14:45] <nlsthzn> ?
[14:45] <Squirm> yep
[14:45] <Symmetria> S3 is a good phone, its what Im using at the moment
[14:45] <nlsthzn> <3 my s3,... just installed the aokp rom on i
[14:45] <nlsthzn> *it
[14:45] <Symmetria> my only whine about it is the battery life
[14:45] <Squirm> Symmetria: how long does it last you?
[14:45] <Symmetria> heh, I now carry a portable battery charger and 3 spare batteries with me 
[14:46] <Symmetria> squirm a day on a very quiet day
[14:46] <nlsthzn> smart phones != battery life
[14:46] <Symmetria> busy day? 6 hours 
[14:46] <Symmetria> if that 
[14:46] <Squirm> hmm
[14:46] <Squirm> ok
[14:46] <Symmetria> but keep in mind, Im not using it for a few calls a day, Im on the phone for hours at a time
[14:46] <Squirm> yeah
[14:46] <Squirm> 87Mb update :/
[14:46] <Symmetria> probably using the phone for voice calls for 3 to 4 hours a day minimum
[14:46] <Squirm> it's running 4.04
[14:46] <Squirm> ok
[14:47] <Squirm> that's good for me then
[14:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> 87mb is probably a prep-for-jellybean update
[14:47] <Symmetria> heh, tricks to save your battery life, unless you're actively using it, turn off 3G 
[14:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> the full jellybean update for my one x was around 300MB iirc
[14:47] <Squirm> ThatGraemeGuy: does it wipe your phone?
[14:47] <Symmetria> I have full wifi at home so unless Im actually gonna be outta the house for a while, I turn off the 3G in the settings 
[14:47] <Symmetria> squirm nah, didnt wipe mine when I upgraded it
[14:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> generally, no the OTA's preserve your stuff
[14:48] <Squirm> Symmetria: I can get HSDPA here
[14:48] <Squirm> but I live on campus
[14:48] <Squirm> and on campus we have wifi pretty much everywhere
[14:48] <Symmetria> yeah you're gonna get far bettery battery just using the wifi
[14:49] <Symmetria> and turning the 3G down to edge connectivity
[14:49] <Symmetria> turning off bluetooth also helps a lot if you aint using it (my phone always has it enabled because I use it pretty constantly getting in and out of the car)
[14:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> i have a one x now, upgrading in just under a year. was messing around with my sister-in-law's s2 the other day, and its pretty snappy, i'd say pretty much on par with my one x. so i'm probably going to upgrade to one of this year's flagships
[14:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> unless there's a new model next year with 128GB of storage and/or wireless charging
[14:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> but i don't think even that would be enough incentive
[14:56] <charl> ciao all!
[14:58] <Squirm> infinitely quicker than my Huawei Ideos X5
[15:17] <nuvolari> Vince-0: tonight is going to be a close call :-/ I can't promise that I'll make it
[15:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> 13.10, saucy salamander
[15:22] <Vince-0> Hey! nuvolari, that's ok - its going to be a news blitz anyways
[15:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> next up, 14.04 tantric turtle
[15:38] <Kilos> hi Mezenir 
[15:52] <Mezenir> hi kilos
[16:07] <Kilos> ai! im doff
[16:07] <Kilos> can never find where to download ubuntu iso's in south africa
[16:13] <Kilos> Maaz: get ubuntu
[16:13] <Maaz> Kilos: 301 Moved Permanently to http://www.ubuntu.com/, which gets a 206 Partial Content "Home | Ubuntu"
[16:14] <Kilos> in za twit bot
[16:48] <superfly> ohi Mezenir, long time no see
[16:59] <nlsthzn> saucy salamander...
[16:59] <nlsthzn> >.<
[16:59] <Cantide> yeah :)
[16:59] <Cantide> i like it
[16:59] <Cantide> i wonder what 14.04 will be
[17:00]  * Cantide waits 6 months to find out
[17:17] <Squirm> hmm
[17:17] <Squirm> lo
[17:17] <Cantide> hey Squirm :)
[17:27] <Kilos> you happy Squirm ?
[17:27] <Kilos> at last
[17:28] <Kilos> he is too wrapped up in his new fone
[17:28] <Cantide> hi Kilos :)
[17:28] <Cantide> Squirm, what phone did you get?
[17:29] <Kilos> hi Cantide 
[17:29] <Kilos> s3
[17:29] <Cantide> oh, nice :)
[17:29] <Cantide> i want one ._.
[17:29] <Kilos> lol
[17:29] <Cantide> but i will wait until I am in Asia
[17:29] <Cantide> i have a useless cheapo Android phone
[17:29] <Cantide> it gets the job done, but not nicely :p
[17:31] <Kilos> what job
[17:31] <Kilos> sms fone and mms
[17:31] <Kilos> what more you want
[17:31] <Cantide> email, irc, ssh, whatsapp, kakao and gtalk mostly
[17:32] <Kilos> mine just checks data and converts airtime to more data
[17:32] <Cantide> lol
[17:32] <Cantide> brb
[17:33] <Cantide> my friend showed me his airtime and data today - R 0 airtime and 0 MB data
[17:33] <Cantide> then he sent me a message on whatsapp o_O
[17:33] <Cantide> amazing o.o;;
[17:33] <Kilos> yeah doesnt it use anything
[17:35] <Squirm> S3
[17:35] <Cantide> it should use a minuscule amount of data
[17:36] <Cantide> :)
[17:51] <Squirm> Cantide: what phone?
[18:03] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight.
[18:12] <Cantide> Squirm, Kilos said you got a new phone
[18:12] <Cantide> so i asked which one
[18:12] <Cantide> and he said S3
[18:12] <Cantide> then 5 minutes later you also said S3 :p
[18:19]  * superfly has an S3
[18:23]  * Cantide has a terrible Vodafone 845 which is actually a rebranded Huawei
[18:32] <Squirm> .:Cantide:. i have a useless cheapo Android phone
[18:32] <Squirm> oh
[18:32] <Cantide> :p
[19:00] <Cantide> good night!
[19:31] <Vince-0> so here's my notes for Hangout in progress: 
[19:31] <Vince-0> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hExqHdUYXvaJkZu-AGPKipoF4oUOiPso11svgEPmlvk/edit#
[19:32] <Vince-0> almost done, talkin Bittorrent Labs Sync