[05:40] <ochosi> mr_pouit, micahg: there's a theming-problem for people who install gtk3.8 via a ppa (e.g. for gnome3), we have an unproblematic, backward-compatible fix in git for that (only a few lines long) – any chance to get that into Raring backports? (also known as bug #1163128)
[05:42] <ochosi> (it's not that i don't see the point of saying: it's the user's fault, because he added a ppa, but since the fix is so simple...)
[05:42] <ochosi> mr_pouit, micahg: this is the relevant commit: https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/commit/f371c7bd7a27351a6786b0eefee79074861cb9e2
[06:00] <micahg> ochosi: if it's a BC compatible fix and you'd like it in raring, please follow the SRU procedure (fill out paperwork) and I'll be happy to upload it over the weekend
[06:01]  * micahg is being redundantly redundant at 1am apparently, -> zzz
[06:02] <micahg> ochosi: backports are for features and/or really risky bugs that fail the SRU test
[08:37] <Noskcaj> can someone run the xubuntu upgrade tests? that and bug fixes are all we still have to do for release
[08:40] <Unit193> How old is the testcase?
[08:55] <Noskcaj> Unit193, i have no idea, probably very
[12:31] <Unit193> knome: Care to do the honors for s/12.10/13.04/ in #xonotic 
[12:31] <Unit193> #xubuntu rahter.
[12:38] <knome> Unit193, which factoids would those be?
[12:39] <Unit193> /topic
[12:39] <knome> oh.
[12:39] <knome> sure
[12:40] <knome> done.
[12:40] <gry> the homepage is ...
[12:41] <knome> updated.
[12:41] <gry> reloaded, seems so, ta
[12:42] <GridCube> :3
[12:43] <Unit193> http://xubuntu.org/help/ too.
[12:43] <knome> getting to it, just editing the download page
[12:44] <Unit193> Heh, alrightyo.
[12:44] <knome> are lucid and oneiric EOL already, or is there some other date?
[12:45] <knome> may 9, apparently
[12:48] <knome> if you see more (striked) mirrors at http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/ working, ping me and i'll update
[12:49] <knome> atm we seem to only have three of them up
[12:50] <Unit193> http://ubuntu.osuosl.org/releases/raring/ is always quick.
[12:50] <knome> why isn't that on our list?
[12:50] <knome> oh, it's just ubuntu
[12:50] <Unit193> ...Dropped Kubuntu too a while back.
[12:50] <knome> mhm
[12:55] <knome> i wonder if it's time to drop the commercial support section from our help
[12:56] <GridCube> i would ask them first
[12:57] <knome> i've asked several people in the past, nobody knows the answer
[12:57] <GridCube> then remove it
[12:58] <knome> probably later
[12:58] <GridCube> better not to put us in a predicament
[12:58] <gry> is the question along the  "do they do commercial support for xubuntu" lines?
[12:58] <knome> gry, yeah
[13:05] <gry> I don't see why not if the ubuntu repos have a xubuntu-desktop package in them
[13:06] <knome> well, canonical doesn't provide the support for xubuntu packages generally either
[13:06] <knome> so when the xubuntu team promises 3 years of lts support, we commit to help our community with the xubuntu-specific packages for that 3 years
[13:41] <GridCube> knome, :) when its the next community meeting
[13:42] <knome> may 2
[13:43] <GridCube> :) thanks
[13:57] <pjotr> Thanks for all the good work, people! Xubuntu Raring is a beauty. You can be proud of it. :-)
[14:01] <knome> thanks :)
[14:02] <pjotr> Free beer for all developers: http://www.cafe-de-engelbewaarder.nl/img/bierplaatjes/GlasPALM.jpg
[14:03] <knome> heh
[14:03] <pjotr> Now is time for some R&R... Party time!  :-)
[14:03] <knome> have fun
[14:20] <lderan> is there free juice for non-beer drinking developers?
[14:20] <lderan> :P
[14:21] <Unit193> Coffee?  Tea?
[14:21]  * genii-around makes a fresh pot and kettle
[14:21]  * knome send lderan some lingonberryjuice
[14:21] <Unit193> Hot chocolate?
[14:22] <lderan> all acceptable :P
[14:24] <skellat> Does anybody have credentials to make a post to the Google+ page so that I can echo it from the Ubuntu Ohio LoCo page?  I got Ubuntu but definitely want to ensure I catch Xubuntu.
[14:25] <knome> skellat, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing/
[14:25] <knome> we should have a better list with email addresses or that
[14:29] <skellat> I can't find the other person listed as being on Launchpad
[14:29] <skellat> Which leaves pleia2 as the only one with credentials
[14:29] <knome> she's away.
[14:29] <knome> i suppose the other person is on G+ "only"
[14:30] <skellat> Hunh.  I wonder how that works
[14:30] <knome> i'd imagine there's a way to contact the team admins
[14:31] <skellat> Google Plus is remarkably opaque in that regard
[14:32] <knome> i believe you
[14:32] <ochosi> skellat: i think you can publish a message and solely share it with the xubuntu team ther or something
[14:32] <ochosi> (but i'm no expert)
[14:32] <skellat> The only reason I'm using it is that I'm the Ohio Leader and have to keep charge of our LoCo page
[14:33] <skellat> ochosi: Done
[14:34] <knome> i hope it gets fixed
[14:34] <knome> no way i'm going to let any of you contact elizabeth now.
[14:34] <skellat> I wouldn't dare try
[14:35] <knome> skellat, how's the voting thing going on?
[14:36]  * skellat notes that the SABDFL has called the next cycle Saucy Salamander: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1252
[14:37] <knome> so it's not going to be "silent sabdfl"
[14:37] <skellat> Silent Submariner
[14:37] <knome> saucy
[14:37] <knome> meh
[14:37] <knome> :)
[14:38] <skellat> knome: I'm still on backup status.  May 7th is the poll and a bunch of precinct election officers have already called off.  I'm able to be called up through almost the closing of the polls on the 7th so it is mostly a sit back and wait for the call-up scenario.
[14:39] <knome> skellat, oh. i was talking about the voting, but good to have an update on that as well :]
[14:39] <skellat> Oh, for the Xubuntu shindig you mean?
[14:40] <knome> shin... what? :)
[14:40] <knome> Noisy party or festivities.
[14:40] <knome> okay
[14:40] <knome> yeah, i suppose so... :)
[14:40] <skellat> The Leader Election
[14:40] <knome> yup
[14:41] <knome> you okay with a quick PM?
[14:41] <skellat> Sure
[14:41] <knome> great
[14:49] <knome> so...
[14:49] <knome> what are the main arguments against public voting anyway?
[14:49] <knome> because of tecnical limitations, we can't do that with meetingology either
[14:52] <GridCube> ?
[14:52] <GridCube> what?
[14:53] <skellat> Hmm
[14:53] <skellat> Well, channel flooding was one plus ensuring we had a representative enough base was another
[14:54] <knome> channel flooding won't be a problem most probably :)
[14:54] <knome> can you elaborate a bit on the latter?
[14:55] <skellat> I need a second to log back into Launchpad
[14:55] <skellat> We've got 45 users in channel now, 694 claimed users in ~xubuntu-users on LP
[14:57] <skellat> With proper notice, nobody can complain they weren't told the vote was coming and that if they don't show up they forfeit having a choice
[14:57] <skellat> Otherwise, that's a pretty small cross-section of the membership of ~xubuntu-users
[14:57] <knome> the argument against that is different timezones
[14:57] <skellat> Yep
[14:58] <knome> which is why i would like to have some kind of possibility to vote during 24 hours
[14:58] <knome> not at all costs, though, the strategy document doesn't enforce that for a good reason
[14:59] <knome> the last time we voted for a project lead, we had 13 votes
[15:00] <skellat> Well, there is the LP poll facility
[15:00] <knome> that's meh. :)
[15:00] <knome> i wonder if all the members of -users get a mail when we do that?
[15:01] <knome> if they do, that would possibly raise some random votes
[15:01] <knome> "i'll just vote for any"
[15:01] <knome> and since the number of voters was 13 last time, it doesn't take much to throw that off
[15:01] <knome> i don't think a random vote is fair for anybody
[15:02] <skellat> Nope.  LP Poll kicks out no mail at all as I learned the hard way with the "Membership Awareness" bit I ran for ~ubuntu-us-oh last week
[15:02] <knome> ah
[15:02] <knome> so it's as useful as nothing really.
[15:02] <knome> well, it might be okay if we point people there
[15:03] <knome> that would also save us from checking if people are eligible
[15:03] <knome> we would only need to check against double votes
[15:03] <skellat> It doesn't allow double votes
[15:03] <knome> we're allowing voting on the irc meeting.
[15:03] <skellat> Ah, no way to check that then
[15:03] <knome> so theoretically one could vote in both
[15:04] <knome> or then we only allow people to vote in the poll.
[15:04] <skellat> I'd go poll only
[15:04] <skellat> If you do both, you can't remove the possibility of double voting as LP won't let you track
[15:04] <knome> that needs to be set 24 hours before the poll
[15:04] <knome> that's fine, but we need to remember that
[15:06] <skellat> Yep
[15:07] <knome> meh. one shouldn't do two things at the same time
[15:15] <knome> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2013-April/008845.html
[16:34] <knome> !saucy
[16:34] <elfy> I am sad - they promised me it was going to be silly sausage :p
[16:34] <knome> somebody said there's a similarly named uhm... "toy"
[16:35] <elfy> lol
[16:35] <knome> yeah, well done again
[16:40] <drc> wait...saucy or silly toy?
[16:41] <knome> as it was put by somebody else, a toy which is sold in certain "adult" shops.
[16:42] <drc> in "all" adult shpos, I've checked...not, about which name?
[16:42] <drc>  /replace fingers
[16:43] <knome> umm. let's not go deeper into this (no pun intended)
[16:43] <drc> yes bwana :)
[16:56] <maddernick> Grawling Gorilla
[16:56] <maddernick> Will be my favorite
[16:57] <maddernick> growling*
[22:08] <bluesabre> ...
[22:09] <bluesabre> did everyone just get kicked?