[01:10] Xubuntu installer keeps crashing D: [01:10] First it was about my 3TB Partition [01:11] now it just won't install on my SSD [01:12] check your iso integrity [01:12] !md5 [01:12] To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows [01:12] Gunna try the DVD version which has been verified [01:13] I used a USB stick [01:15] The iso integrity should be fine regardless of whe you are going to place it [01:22] MD5 (xubuntu-12.10-desktop-i386.iso) = bd87be6626efa4ebf7678f5e2c942b57 [01:26] Apparently the MD5 isn't correct -_- [01:26] You can zsync the rest. [01:26] wait no! It checks out [01:26] !zsync [01:26] Use zsync to update your Ubuntu CD image without needing to download the parts that didn't change. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ZsyncCdImage [01:27] bd87be6626efa4ebf7678f5e2c942b57 [01:27] xubuntu-12.10-desktop-i386.iso [01:40] Getting Dconf errors [01:40] "Unable to creat directory /root/.cache/dconf [01:50] DVD works it seems [02:23] if i try to remove tool called ifupdown, apt says i no longed need any packages [02:24] http://paste.ubuntu.com/5599909/ [02:25] hmm il ask ubuntu [02:25] Yep, that's because it's a core package, hence the WARNING: The following essential packages will be removed. [02:26] ifupdown? [02:27] i just installed it [02:27] It came with the system. [02:27] well i wrote ifdown eth0 and it said i didnt have it [02:27] I recently got a strange bug where setting my display brightness to the highest level turns my display off completely. Has anyone ever experienced something like that? [02:28] Also is the case with the very lowest brightness setting. [02:28] i could pretty much swear i downloaded with apt-get just a minute ago [02:33] i guess i just perhaps updated it [02:35] upstart depends on ifupdown, sooo. [02:35] yeah it makes sense now [02:37] casual_llama: I don't see any bugs on launchpad like that. [02:37] Redshift is supposed to be nice and helpful too. [02:38] i guess ifup and ifdown are not supposed to be used on ubuntu anyway? got a bit confused about that [02:39] *used from shell [02:39] Unit193: It's part of a recent batch of problems that appeared. The only thing I did differently, as far as I can tell, was log into Xfce session rather than Xubuntu session (I installed xubuntu-desktop after installing Ubuntu 12.04). [02:40] casual_llama: You can try moveing .config to .configgg, when you login to Xfce it kind of tends to overwrite some things, maybe only moving .config/xfce4 would help. I don't see this helping the brightness issue, though. [02:40] asenk: Why do you say that? [02:44] just a guess based on googling about the error it gives and people recommending to use ifconfig eth up [02:45] Unit193: Yeah, I already did some manual fixing in that folder for rainbow font rendering. [02:46] Rainbow as in similar to this: http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/9007/ffxfce.png [03:02] just got the dell 6430u ultrabook. Having odd random episodes of the machine suspending itself when I'm mid sentence or scrolling across the screen or using arrow keys on a terminal. Has anyone run in to what could be causing this? dmesg and kernel.log both show it was basically an acpi suspend call. Screen saver, power manager? scratching my head here... [03:02] something is calling suspend is all I'm driving at [03:59] stupid question, when creating past (say) 10 terminals inside the xfce terminal, little scroll arrows appear, how do I get the title to jst shrink and not have them appear ? [04:21] Hello [04:22] I have a couple of questions to ask about Xubuntu [04:22] xubuntu164, so ask ... [04:23] Sorry, I have Windows XP and was wondering if Xubuntu can be downloaded while still on XP? [04:24] if my internet connection is High Speed do I still need to download it with a CD or can I do a direct download [04:27] I've never used this type of OS before wanting to try something new and faster [04:28] You download the ISO, then burn to CD or USB. [04:28] xubuntu164, yes you can download the ISO. [04:28] !installation [04:28] Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall - Don't want to use a CD? See http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate [04:30] thank you for the info cfhowlett [04:31] xubuntu164, no worries. best of luck. [05:03] morning folks [05:04] can the 13.04 beta installer create encrypted LVMs? [05:21] how do I covert this sudo apt-get build-dep kvirc && sudo apt-get install subversion && svn co https://svn.kvirc.de/svn/trunk/kvirc && cd kvirc && mkdir build && cd build && cmake .. && make -j4 && sudo make installcommand so that it creates an uindtallable package ? [05:21] how do I covert this sudo apt-get build-dep kvirc && sudo apt-get install subversion && svn co https://svn.kvirc.de/svn/trunk/kvirc && cd kvirc && mkdir build && cd build && cmake .. && make -j4 && sudo make install command so that it creates an uindtallable package ? [05:22] *uninstallable [05:25] ? [05:29] aiena: replace sudo make install with sudo checkinstall [05:29] aiena: but you have to install checkinstall first ;-) [05:30] yes I replaced it with checkinstall but forgot to install it first [05:30] I guess the command wont build anything [05:30] which is ok [05:30] I'll rerun checkinstall after [05:30] installing it [05:30] di I need to install an svn package to pull the svn repo listed there ? [05:31] or is svn handling built into xubuntu ? [05:31] *do [05:31] no, you need to install subversion, just as you listed above [05:35] svn: OPTIONS of 'https://svn.kvirc.de/svn/trunk/kvirc': Certificate verification error: signed using insecure algorithm (https://svn.kvirc.de) [05:41] aiena: why do you want to compile kvirc yourself? [05:41] because the latest version is 4.1.3 which has loads of bugs 2) there is no ppa [05:42] the latest version was released last year and is 4.2 [05:42] heaven knows why xubuntu's repos are 2 years old [05:42] and I dont like xchat [05:43] So why pull from SVN? Why not pull the released tarball? [05:43] ah yes I can do that [05:44] whats the difference between tar.bz2 and tar.gz - compression algo ? [05:45] yes [05:45] ok so both can be compiled in xubuntu [05:47] ok getting the sources of the stable [05:48] where are actual program files located in xubuntu ? [05:50] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LinuxFilesystemTreeOverview [05:51] koegs: mkdir can be used to make a directory folder alone right [05:55] thanks koegs [05:56] mkdir worked this time [06:01] Unit193: Its building Yay :) [06:12] koegs checkinstall says that [06:13] Some of the files created by the installation are inside the home directory: /home [06:13] [06:13] You probably don't want them to be included in the package. [06:13] Do you want me to list them? [n]: [06:13] Should I exclude them from the package? (Saying yes is a good idea) [n]: [06:13] is it safe to exclude these files [06:16] yes [06:17] ok hmm the termimal seems to be stuck at "Copying files to the temporary directory..."maybe I sohuld wait a bit [06:17] *should [06:17] where is xubuntu's temp ? [06:21] TheSheep: canyou look at this http://pastebin.com/k4yDiXFL [06:21] why is checkinstall after creating the deb package asking me if I want to create a deb package [06:22] !checkinstall [06:22] checkinstall is a wrapper to "make install", useful for installing programs you compiled. It will create a .deb package, which will be listed in the APT database and can be uninstalled like other packages. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CheckInstall - Read the warnings at the top and bottom of that web page, and DO NOT interrupt CheckInstall while it's running! [06:26] TheSheep, koegs the full process worked fully now I can use the latest stable :) [06:36] TheSheep: is it save to remove the build dependencies of a program after it has been compiled ? [06:38] *safe [06:59] do apllications run in a sandbox in xubuntu like in ANdroid ? [06:59] *android [07:00] no [07:00] is it possible to have a sandbox inside xubuntu to test apllications in [07:02] aiena: you can try arkose or lxc OR just use virtualbox to emulate a whole pc and install your testing ubuntu there [07:04] no I want to test an application in a sandbox within xubuntu [07:04] for example an svn build for instance [07:16] you are looking for chroot? [07:33] Ok will check it out [07:33] thanks kRush [07:35] is it possible to isntall the latest linux kernel on xubuntu 12.0.4 Precise (Is it advisable or risky ?) [07:35] *install [07:39] brb [08:33] Hi I have a question about proxy setting. where to set the global proxy (socket/http(s))? [08:35] !proxy [08:35] Several Ubuntu channels prohibit access from open proxies and other anonymous connections due to a high level of abuse. The supported ways to hide your IP address on freenode are to use !Tor or get a !cloak [08:35] hmm [08:35] wrong fctoid [08:36] lewisou: generally you set it as an environment variable [08:36] lewisou: http_proxy [08:38] TheSheep: Got it. [08:38] Sometime you have to use a proxy :) [08:39] totally [10:43] hi there! I'm using the latest version of ubuntustudi with Xfce 4.10 [10:44] at startup, my home folder and also image viewer automatically open [10:44] I've checked startup applications preferences but I found nothing related to this [10:44] xubuntu701, ok ... [10:44] thanks [10:45] xubuntu701, look in session and startup > Session [10:45] ok [10:50] I see nothing related to this there, at least that I can understand [10:51] xubuntu701, create a new user and go into that to check the behavior. If it's happening there as well, it's a global setting [10:52] hi [10:52] jose-gregorio, greeting [10:52] ok [10:53] i have a litle problem with nvidia x server display settings [10:54] i which play warcraft 3 :( [10:55] I take it that 13.04 isn't out yet? [10:56] xubuntu358, it's out when the release announcement is out on xubuntu.org, [10:56] right, okay. [10:56] can anyone help me?! [10:56] hi again; I've check with another user and everything's normal [10:56] !ask | florentin [10:56] florentin: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience [10:56] then I check with my user again and the folder and the program opened again [11:00] xubuntu701, so you've got a setting there somewhere in your xfce. radical fix: display your hidden config files for xfce and delete them. reboot will then be as default. [11:00] xubuntu701, these would hidden in your /home [11:03] xubuntu701: most probably you have to delete ~/.cache/sessions === ubott2 is now known as ubottu === lderan_ is now known as lderan === knome changed the topic of #xubuntu to: Xubuntu support | Xubuntu 13.04 is out! Download from http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu | Pastes to http://paste.ubuntu.com | No one around? See the complete support methods list at http://xubuntu.org/help | Offtopic: #xubuntu-offtopic === phunyguy_ is now known as phunyguy [14:23] i have installed xubuntu on an empty hard drive , however it shows less than 10GB remained free out of 750Gb, please somebody help with this? [14:24] Arpad2, do df -h and df -H in a terminal [14:25] ok [14:26] http://paste.ubuntu.com/5601182/ [14:26] Arpad2, there is a difference between gigibytes and gigabytes [14:26] 8bit = 1 byte ? [14:27] hard drives are sold at gigabytes, that count multiples of 1000, while softare read gigibytes, thats multiples of 1024 [14:27] in large drives that difference counts a lot [14:27] Arpad2: your ubuntu-partition or root-partition is only 15G in size, not the whole 750GB [14:28] so, I will have to start from the beginning the whole installation? [14:28] what? [14:28] no [14:28] oh wait [14:28] Arpad2: just start the live-cd, use gparted and resize the partition [14:28] http://paste.ubuntu.com/5601185/ [14:29] you just need to use the unused space and give it to a /home partition [14:29] yeah Arpad2 do sudo fdisk -l [14:29] which partition should I resize? [14:29] none you have lots of empty space [14:29] somewhere, in theory [14:29] show us fdisk -l [14:30] i missunderstood you sorry [14:30] Arpad2, did you encrypted the installation? [14:30] http://paste.ubuntu.com/5601190/ [14:31] i only wanted [14:31] /dev/sda2 its unuse, and its huuuuuuuge [14:32] or maybe im sleepy and im not understanding a thing here [14:32] somewhere is a huge space [14:32] * GridCube will stop now, he is making silly mistakes [14:32] Arpad2, install gparted and see graphically [14:32] because this is a 750 GB hdd, and system sees only 10 GB left [14:33] ok [14:33] Arpad2: you did something wring while partitioning, will be clear as soon as you fire up gparted [14:34] theres something encrypted there [14:34] in the fdisk -l [14:34] koegs: I am using linux for few years now but I find it difficult it to grasp the basic things clearly b:( [14:34] i dont see what it is [14:34] Disk /dev/mapper/cryptswap1: 16.0 GB, 15999172608 bytes [14:34] it says [14:34] GridCube: it is an encrypted swap. automatically setup when you choose to encrypt your home-dir [14:34] oh, then there might be the problem [14:35] Arpad2, if it's a clean install and you still have the media at hand, i'd imagine a new install would be one of the easiest solutions there are [14:35] some encryption magic [14:35] ok [14:35] knome: you are right, might be easier :D [14:35] but I will need a hand to avoid this mass again [14:35] * GridCube its not really helping and is sorry :( [14:36] I just wanted 16GB for the OS and 16GB swap [14:36] because the RAM is 8GB [14:37] Arpad2, you can set up the partitions by hand using gparted in the installer, and then choose them [14:39] gparted says there is 668.83GB unallocated space [14:40] so may I delete the encrypted partition? [14:45] ok I will go for a new install, but it worked only with boot repair [15:22] Hi. I installed 12.10 on my sony laptop. updated and now it loads to blank screen. the live cd worked fine though. Anyone else have this problem? [15:22] No login, mouse or anything. just black/active screen [15:23] xubuntu421, do you get to a grub stage? [15:24] yes. and the disk loads as if its loading, but no login screen. with just 12.10 before updates. it installed but the screen was wrapped/offcenter after installation. [15:24] live cd was perfect. post-installation not so much. [15:25] xubuntu421, in the grub stage choose a previous linux version and boot with an older kernel [15:25] GridCube, ok let me try that. [15:27] GridCube, yes it worked. the .17 kernel works fine. all resolved. thank you. [15:28] no problem, report the issue please [15:28] to launchpad [15:28] GridCube, will do. I can find the issue tracker on xubuntu.org? [15:29] xubuntu421, its launchpad.net, you just need to have an account there, then use the ubuntu-bug program [15:29] Ok, I think I have an account. Will gather data and follow up. [15:29] xubuntu421, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/KernelTeamBugPolicies [15:32] thats fairly too complex [15:32] X13.04 out yet? [15:33] yes :3 [15:33] some people are just too lazy to look at the web site :( [15:33] !isout [15:35] or the topic... [15:35] !isitout [15:35] YES! It's out! [15:36] lol topic [15:36] noone reads topics [15:36] Today: "13.04! Yay!" Tomorrow: *whining* "When will 13.10 be released?" [15:45] SonikkuAmerica: It's always that way. [15:45] You don't say! [15:45] I used to be one of those peeps [16:13] hey guys, any gotchas that i need to know about when upgrading from 12.10 to 13.04? [16:13] ArchBeOS, as always, take backups. [16:14] k [16:15] i remember there were icon issues when i went 12.04 to 12.10 [16:15] you know what? im just gonna do it [16:15] thanks [16:17] Good afternoon! I'm running the latest xubuntu version. When I select text in my terminal, it doesn't automatically get copied to clipboard. Is this because of a setting somewhere? [16:19] jtreminio: it is copied, just paste it with the middle mouse button [16:19] koegs, what if there's a lack of middle button? [16:20] jtreminio, as i said, it works [16:20] emulation works too [16:20] Is there two, concurrent clipboards? One for middle-button and one for CTRL+V? [16:20] yes [16:20] * jtreminio sighs [16:20] one is xfce's and the other its xorg [16:20] jtreminio: IIRC, both mouse buttons normally mimics the middle mouse button. [16:20] Is there a way to merge these two? [16:21] its has been like that since the dawning of time [16:21] Maybe I've been corrupted by Windows. In putty, select text -> automatically in clipboard. I remember this happening in my previous experiences with linux desktops, too [16:21] Or maybe my memory is cloudy. [16:22] you can add a clipboard manager to the panel [16:22] but it wont still understand selected text as copy, thats just how xorg works [16:24] or use some tool like glippy [16:24] hot dog just installed parcellite - fixes it completely [16:24] it can synchronize both clipboards [16:24] or parcelite :) [16:40] hi guya [16:40] *guys [16:40] !hi | jadus [16:40] jadus: Hi!, Welcome to #xubuntu! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines. Enjoy your stay! [16:41] i have a problem with 13.04 x64 and fglrx [16:41] i have installed it from AMD drivers page, it seems OK [16:41] but X crashes on Failed to create screen resources [16:42] any help? [16:42] i can rewrite manualy xorg.conf if it is necessary [16:47] should i try to drivers from repo? [16:53] !patience [16:53] Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com/ or http://ubuntuforums.org/ or http://askubuntu.com/ [16:53] jadus, and yes, you can probably do that [16:55] sure there isnt an update for the driver in question listed @ additional drivers? [16:57] ok [17:04] from repos "aticonfig: No supported adapters" [17:12] and after switch to fglrx-updates it crashes again... [17:35] i am going to try install ubuntu only and then install xfce [17:35] i hope in miracle :D === Cheri703_ is now known as Cheri703 === G4MBY is now known as PaulW2U [19:28] I've got a question. Just today, I upgraded my laptop and desktop from 12.10 to 13.04. My laptop seems to be handling stuff fine, but my desktop has a minor issue. Whenever I click to go into Firefox, my screen freezes, and I'm presented with a squiggly picture. Does anybody have any suggestions as to how I can fix this? [19:30] Oh, and by the way, I also have Chromium/Chrome on my desktop, and I didn't get the squiggly picture when I clicked on that. [19:39] Hi Everyone! :) [19:45] I removed firefox for right now on my desktop, since I couldn't find a way of how to update it. [19:46] Ok, so I was just checking my other applications, and it happened again. [19:46] since 13.04 image doesn't fit on a single CD anymore, do I have to burn it on a DVD or can I install from flash too? [19:46] you can install from a usb drive [19:46] !install [19:46] Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall - Don't want to use a CD? See http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate [19:49] well_laid_lawn, thank u sir! [19:49] cheers [19:50] Ok, I seriously need some help here. [19:50] Please. [19:51] xubuntuLew: ? [19:51] well_laid_lawn, could you come to offtopic [19:51] carrera: nope I'm off to work now [19:51] bye [19:51] thanks [19:51] which city are u in? [19:52] xubuntuLew: try to clean the configuration of firefox [19:52] I seem to be getting a squiggly, messed up screen that freezes on my desktop whenever I click on a random app. I'm running Xubuntu 13.04, if that's any help. [19:52] xubuntuLew: all applications ? [19:53] firefox and mail reader, so far. I uninstalled firefox, so do you think that uninstalling mail reader would help? [19:53] I don't use it much anyways, and I also have Chrome/Chromium for web browsing. [19:54] xubuntuLew: remove the .cache folder [19:54] i mean the content of it [19:54] where can that be found? [19:55] xubuntuLew: /home/username/.cache [19:55] wouldn't it be under something like ~/.mozilla/firefox/yosqnmb1.default [19:56] ~/.mozilla/firefox/yosqnmb1.default/Cache [19:56] xubuntuLew: please try running firefox from terminal [19:56] xubuntuLew: or this email app [19:57] how? [19:57] xubuntuLew: open terminal, type firefox [20:00] xubuntuLew: problem sovled? [20:01] I uninstalled firefox earlier, and when I type "Mail Reader" in the terminal, it says "No command 'Mail' found." [20:01] xubuntuLew: of course, because you have to type the program name [20:01] That is the name, though. [20:01] no, it's not [20:02] was it thunderbird maybe? [20:03] nope. All I know is that the icon for it is an envelope with a red/blue dashed line on the edges. [20:04] xubuntuLew: and what about other programs? [20:04] are they working? [20:05] As far as I know, yes. [20:05] xubuntuLew: well, then install firefox again and try launching it from the command line [20:06] installing.. [20:07] I take back what I said about Thunderbird. I'm starting to think that Mozilla is having some un-resolved compatibility issues with Xubuntu. [20:08] i dont think so, because i didnt hear from anybody having this issue [20:10] maybe sudo apt-get update could take care of it. [20:16] baizon: I got briefly disconnected from here. I'm back. [20:18] can I install from a USB extrnal drive too or does it have to be a flash drive? [20:21] nope. didn't help. [20:24] I emptied the .cache folder. [20:24] didn't help, either. [20:31] stupid question, when creating past (say) 10 terminals inside the xfce terminal, little scroll arrows appear, how do I get the title to jst shrink and not have them appear ? [20:36] Same crap happened with Thunderbird. [20:36] brb [20:36] I'm risk adverse based on previous experiences with main ubuntu .. how long should I leave before upgrading to 13.04 xubuntu? :) [20:38] itz_, if you are risk averse, you should always run one release behind [20:40] or at least wait until the official release of the current system is out. [20:40] and when I say system, I mean version. [20:41] zodiak: the titles do shrink when tabs shrink (when there are more tabs). [20:41] xubuntuLew: 13.04 is out. [20:41] Is anyone available to help me debug a compiz focus bug? Xubuntu 13.04 x64 Basically, about half the time, if an application is fullscreen I won't be able to grab the title bar, the window manager acts as if I just clicked on the desktop behind it. [20:41] I know. I'm using it right now. [20:42] That's to Pici, btw. [20:42] David-A, not in 13.04.. they stay the same and the left/right arrows appear :( [20:42] I would try with Emerald but it crashes with Segfault instantly and it won't compile from source for me [20:44] Error fixed. Mozilla has some compatibility issues to resolve, and Mail Reader was going through Thunderbird. Uninstalled Firefox (again) and Thunderbird. Thanks, everyone (especially baizon)! :) [20:45] zodiak: if the titles are the current working dir, they are set via env.var. PROMPT_COMMAND. if you unset PROMPT_COMMAND and shorten the titles with echo -ne '\033]0;x\007' will that narrow the tabs? [20:46] David-A, no, sorry, the title at the TOP of the terminal .. you end up with (say) 10 terminals open with tabs, the 11th will cause left/right arrows to appear [20:48] hi [20:57] zodiak: I just tried with 11 tabs in xfce4-terminal 0.4.3. with at least one title longer than "x" there was the arrows, with all tab titles "x" the arrows disappeared. [20:57] zodiak: but with about 16 tabs, the arrows appear again, even with the short "x" titles in all of them. [20:58] xfce terminal 0.6.1 in 13.04 does it .. and I don't remember them appearing [21:02] why would an dist upgrade from xubuntu 12.10 to 13.04 would newly install things like gnome-control-center, gnome-desktop*, gnome-session-bin, libunity? i do not want gnome [21:03] seppi: You mean a [ do-release-upgrade ] right? [21:03] yes [21:03] One sec... [21:04] thanks [21:05] there are more gnome things in the update list, i was just picking a few ones [21:05] I just looked at the release notes... I see no reason why (it should install xfce4-settings-manager, xubuntu-desktop, xubuntu-session, xfce4-session, libxfce*) [21:06] seppi: It depends on GNOME for some things, though... [21:06] but not gnumeric for sure [21:06] seppi, uninstall xubuntu-desktop, then upgrade [21:07] is that normal behaviour? [21:08] we are reintroducing gnumeric and gimp for 13.04, and if you have xubuntu-desktop installed but not gnumeric, yes [21:08] ahh, ok [21:09] and i guess that is why it pulls in additional gnome-libs? [21:09] so as i said, uninstall xubuntu-desktop (it's a metapackage, it won't actually remove any apps) [21:09] that's most probably it. [21:09] ahh, thanks a lot [21:10] Ah, good call knome [21:10] That would do it [21:22] well, removing xubuntu-desktop and running do-release-upgrade did not really change anything since xubuntu-desktop is in the to-install-list now [21:23] He who wears the crown, shall be KING. [21:23] id wanted to save some time (slow interwebs here...) but i can do the upgrade and remove stuff later [21:23] Translation: Once you start an install, you must finish it. [21:23] seppi: Yeah. [21:23] no, i did not start [21:24] i restarted it after removing xubuntu-desktop [21:24] i stopped at the detail listing what would change [21:25] seppi: Well, xubuntu-desktop is in the preseed... [21:27] maybe someone totally without anything to da should look at that, but i am no more into distro building [21:27] to do [21:30] seppi: Why so? xubuntu-desktop pulls in everything you need. [21:33] not very important, you guys do a great job (i can not stand unity/gnome) but it pulls in some more gnome things and i was worried [21:33] seppi, i imagine the main culprit is gimp [21:33] i already have gimp [21:33] right :) [21:34] then it's probably gnumeric [21:34] that's part of the gnome office [21:35] a little note at the xubuntu rel. notes would have stopped me bugging you :P [21:35] seppi, you mean like "Gnumeric and GIMP are reintroduced on the ISO" :] [21:36] no more like "Gnumeric and GIMP are reintroduced on the ISO (that means on update some more gnome components are pulled in, no panik)" [21:36] mmh. though that's not true for many again [21:37] we want to keep the release notes as clean as possible and try not to be too technical [21:37]