[01:10] <Wally> Xubuntu installer keeps crashing D:
[01:10] <Wally> First it was about my 3TB Partition
[01:11] <Wally> now it just won't install on my SSD
[01:12] <GridCube> check your iso integrity
[01:12] <GridCube> !md5
[01:12] <Wally> Gunna try the DVD version which has been verified
[01:13] <Wally> I used a USB stick
[01:15] <GridCube> The iso integrity should be fine regardless of whe you are going to place it
[01:22] <Wally> MD5 (xubuntu-12.10-desktop-i386.iso) = bd87be6626efa4ebf7678f5e2c942b57
[01:26] <Wally> Apparently the MD5 isn't correct -_-
[01:26] <Unit193> You can zsync the rest.
[01:26] <Wally> wait no! It checks out
[01:26] <Unit193> !zsync
[01:27] <Wally> bd87be6626efa4ebf7678f5e2c942b57
[01:27] <Wally> xubuntu-12.10-desktop-i386.iso
[01:40] <Wally> Getting Dconf errors
[01:40] <Wally> "Unable to creat directory /root/.cache/dconf
[01:50] <Wally> DVD works it seems
[02:23] <asenk> if i try to remove tool called ifupdown, apt says i no longed need any packages
[02:24] <asenk> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5599909/
[02:25] <asenk> hmm il ask ubuntu
[02:25] <Unit193> Yep, that's because it's a core package, hence the WARNING: The following essential packages will be removed.
[02:26] <asenk> ifupdown?
[02:27] <asenk> i just installed it
[02:27] <Unit193> It came with the system.
[02:27] <asenk> well i wrote ifdown eth0 and it said i didnt have it
[02:27] <casual_llama> I recently got a strange bug where setting my display brightness to the highest level turns my display off completely. Has anyone ever experienced something like that?
[02:28] <casual_llama> Also is the case with the very lowest brightness setting.
[02:28] <asenk> i could pretty much swear i downloaded with apt-get just a minute ago
[02:33] <asenk> i guess i just perhaps updated it
[02:35] <Unit193> upstart depends on ifupdown, sooo.
[02:35] <asenk> yeah it makes sense now
[02:37] <Unit193> casual_llama: I don't see any bugs on launchpad like that.
[02:37] <Unit193> Redshift is supposed to be nice and helpful too.
[02:38] <asenk> i guess ifup and ifdown are not supposed to be used on ubuntu anyway? got a bit confused about that
[02:39] <asenk> *used from shell
[02:39] <casual_llama> Unit193: It's part of a recent batch of problems that appeared. The only thing I did differently, as far as I can tell, was log into Xfce session rather than Xubuntu session (I installed xubuntu-desktop after installing Ubuntu 12.04).
[02:40] <Unit193> casual_llama: You can try moveing .config to .configgg, when you login to Xfce it kind of tends to overwrite some things, maybe only moving .config/xfce4 would help.  I don't see this helping the brightness issue, though.
[02:40] <Unit193> asenk: Why do you say that?
[02:44] <asenk> just a guess based on googling about the error it gives and people recommending to use ifconfig eth up
[02:45] <casual_llama> Unit193: Yeah, I already did some manual fixing in that folder for rainbow font rendering.
[02:46] <casual_llama> Rainbow as in similar to this: http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/9007/ffxfce.png
[03:02] <neorosbob> just got the dell 6430u ultrabook. Having odd random episodes of the machine suspending itself when I'm mid sentence or scrolling across the screen or using arrow keys on a terminal. Has anyone run in to what could be causing this? dmesg and kernel.log both show it was basically an acpi suspend call. Screen saver, power manager? scratching my head here...
[03:02] <neorosbob> something is calling suspend is all I'm driving at
[03:59] <zodiak> stupid question, when creating past (say) 10 terminals inside the xfce terminal, little scroll arrows appear, how do I get the title to jst shrink and not have them appear ?
[04:21] <xubuntu164> Hello
[04:22] <xubuntu164> I have  a couple of questions to ask about Xubuntu
[04:22] <cfhowlett> xubuntu164, so ask ...
[04:23] <xubuntu164> Sorry, I have Windows XP and was wondering if Xubuntu can be downloaded while still on XP?
[04:24] <xubuntu164> if my internet connection is High Speed do I still need to download it with a CD or can I do a direct download
[04:27] <xubuntu164> I've never used this type of OS before wanting to try something new and faster
[04:28] <Unit193> You download the ISO, then burn to CD or USB.
[04:28] <cfhowlett> xubuntu164, yes you can download the ISO.
[04:28] <Unit193> !installation
[04:30] <xubuntu164> thank you for the info cfhowlett
[04:31] <cfhowlett> xubuntu164, no worries.  best of luck.
[05:03] <kblin> morning folks
[05:04] <kblin> can the 13.04 beta installer create encrypted LVMs?
[05:21] <aiena> how do I covert this sudo apt-get build-dep kvirc && sudo apt-get install subversion && svn co https://svn.kvirc.de/svn/trunk/kvirc && cd kvirc && mkdir build && cd build && cmake .. && make -j4 && sudo make installcommand so that it creates an uindtallable package ?
[05:21] <aiena> how do I covert this sudo apt-get build-dep kvirc && sudo apt-get install subversion && svn co https://svn.kvirc.de/svn/trunk/kvirc && cd kvirc && mkdir build && cd build && cmake .. && make -j4 && sudo make install command so that it creates an uindtallable package ?
[05:22] <aiena> *uninstallable
[05:25] <xjunior_xxx> ?
[05:29] <koegs> aiena: replace sudo make install with sudo checkinstall
[05:29] <koegs> aiena: but you have to install checkinstall first ;-)
[05:30] <aiena> yes I replaced it with checkinstall but forgot  to install it first
[05:30] <aiena> I guess the command wont build anything
[05:30] <aiena> which is ok
[05:30] <aiena> I'll rerun checkinstall after
[05:30] <aiena> installing it
[05:30] <aiena> di I need to install an svn package to pull the svn repo listed there ?
[05:31] <aiena> or is svn handling built into xubuntu ?
[05:31] <aiena> *do
[05:31] <koegs> no, you need to install subversion, just as you listed above
[05:35] <aiena> svn: OPTIONS of 'https://svn.kvirc.de/svn/trunk/kvirc': Certificate verification error: signed using insecure algorithm (https://svn.kvirc.de)
[05:41] <koegs> aiena: why do you want to compile kvirc yourself?
[05:41] <aiena> because the latest version is 4.1.3 which has loads of bugs 2) there is no ppa
[05:42] <aiena> the latest version was released last year and is 4.2
[05:42] <aiena> heaven knows why xubuntu's repos are 2 years old
[05:42] <aiena> and I dont like xchat
[05:43] <Unit193> So why pull from SVN?  Why not pull the released tarball?
[05:43] <aiena> ah yes I can do that
[05:44] <aiena> whats the difference between tar.bz2 and tar.gz - compression algo ?
[05:45] <koegs> yes
[05:45] <aiena> ok so both can be compiled in xubuntu
[05:47] <aiena> ok getting the sources of the stable
[05:48] <aiena> where are actual program files located in xubuntu ?
[05:50] <koegs> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LinuxFilesystemTreeOverview
[05:51] <aiena> koegs: mkdir can be used to make a directory folder alone right
[05:55] <aiena> thanks koegs
[05:56] <aiena> mkdir worked this time
[06:01] <aiena> Unit193: Its building Yay :)
[06:12] <aiena> koegs checkinstall says that
[06:13] <aiena> Some of the files created by the installation are inside the home directory: /home
[06:13] <aiena>  
[06:13] <aiena> You probably don't want them to be included in the package.
[06:13] <aiena> Do you want me to list them?  [n]:
[06:13] <aiena> Should I exclude them from the package? (Saying yes is a good idea)  [n]:
[06:13] <aiena> is it safe to exclude these files
[06:16] <TheSheep> yes
[06:17] <aiena> ok hmm the termimal seems to be stuck at "Copying files to the temporary directory..."maybe I sohuld wait a bit
[06:17] <aiena> *should
[06:17] <aiena> where is xubuntu's temp ?
[06:21] <aiena> TheSheep: canyou look at this http://pastebin.com/k4yDiXFL
[06:21] <aiena> why is checkinstall after creating the deb package asking me if I want to create a deb package
[06:22] <bazhang> !checkinstall
[06:26] <aiena> TheSheep, koegs the full process worked fully now I can use the latest stable :)
[06:36] <aiena> TheSheep: is it save to remove the build dependencies of a program after it has been compiled ?
[06:38] <aiena> *safe
[06:59] <aiena> do apllications run in a sandbox in xubuntu like in ANdroid ?
[06:59] <aiena> *android
[07:00] <koegs> no
[07:00] <aiena> is it possible to have a sandbox inside xubuntu to test apllications in
[07:02] <koegs> aiena: you can try arkose or lxc OR just use virtualbox to emulate a whole pc and install your testing ubuntu there
[07:04] <aiena> no I want to test an application in a sandbox within xubuntu
[07:04] <aiena> for example an svn build for instance
[07:16] <kRush> you are looking for chroot?
[07:33] <aiena> Ok will check it out
[07:33] <aiena> thanks kRush
[07:35] <aiena> is it possible to isntall the latest linux kernel on xubuntu 12.0.4 Precise (Is it advisable or risky ?)
[07:35] <aiena> *install
[07:39] <aiena> brb
[08:33] <lewisou> Hi I have a question about proxy setting. where to set the global proxy (socket/http(s))?
[08:35] <TheSheep> !proxy
[08:35] <TheSheep> hmm
[08:35] <TheSheep> wrong fctoid
[08:36] <TheSheep> lewisou: generally you set it as an environment variable
[08:36] <TheSheep> lewisou: http_proxy
[08:38] <lewisou> TheSheep: Got it.
[08:38] <lewisou> Sometime you have to use a proxy :)
[08:39] <TheSheep> totally
[10:43] <xubuntu701> hi there! I'm using the latest version of ubuntustudi with Xfce 4.10
[10:44] <xubuntu701> at startup, my home folder and also image viewer automatically open
[10:44] <xubuntu701> I've checked startup applications preferences but I found nothing related to this
[10:44] <cfhowlett> xubuntu701, ok ...
[10:44] <xubuntu701> thanks
[10:45] <cfhowlett> xubuntu701, look in session and startup > Session
[10:45] <xubuntu701> ok
[10:50] <xubuntu701> I see nothing related to this there, at least that I can understand
[10:51] <cfhowlett> xubuntu701, create a new user and go into that to check the behavior.  If it's happening there as well, it's a global setting
[10:52] <jose-gregorio> hi
[10:52] <cfhowlett> jose-gregorio, greeting
[10:52] <xubuntu701> ok
[10:53] <florentin> i have a litle problem with nvidia x server display settings
[10:54] <jose-gregorio> i which play warcraft 3 :(
[10:55] <xubuntu358> I take it that 13.04 isn't out yet?
[10:56] <knome> xubuntu358, it's out when the release announcement is out on xubuntu.org,
[10:56] <xubuntu358> right, okay.
[10:56] <florentin> can anyone help me?!
[10:56] <xubuntu701> hi again; I've check with another user and everything's normal
[10:56] <knome> !ask | florentin
[10:56] <xubuntu701> then I check with my user again and the folder and the program opened again
[11:00] <cfhowlett> xubuntu701, so you've got a setting there somewhere in your xfce.  radical fix:  display your hidden config files for xfce and delete them.  reboot will then be as default.
[11:00] <cfhowlett> xubuntu701, these  would hidden in your /home
[11:03] <koegs> xubuntu701: most probably you have to delete ~/.cache/sessions
[14:23] <Arpad2> i have installed xubuntu on an empty hard drive , however it shows less than 10GB remained free out of 750Gb, please somebody help with this?
[14:24] <GridCube> Arpad2, do df -h and df -H in a terminal
[14:25] <Arpad2> ok
[14:26] <Arpad2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5601182/
[14:26] <GridCube> Arpad2, there is a difference between gigibytes and gigabytes
[14:26] <Arpad2> 8bit = 1 byte ?
[14:27] <GridCube> hard drives are sold at gigabytes, that count multiples of 1000, while softare read gigibytes, thats multiples of 1024
[14:27] <GridCube> in large drives that difference counts a lot
[14:27] <koegs> Arpad2: your ubuntu-partition or root-partition is only 15G in size, not the whole 750GB
[14:28] <Arpad2> so, I will have to start from the beginning the whole installation?
[14:28] <GridCube> what?
[14:28] <GridCube> no
[14:28] <GridCube> oh wait
[14:28] <koegs> Arpad2: just start the live-cd, use gparted and resize the partition
[14:28] <Arpad2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5601185/
[14:29] <GridCube> you just need to use the unused space and give it to a /home partition
[14:29] <GridCube> yeah Arpad2 do sudo fdisk -l
[14:29] <Arpad2> which partition should I resize?
[14:29] <GridCube> none you have lots of empty space
[14:29] <GridCube> somewhere, in theory
[14:29] <GridCube> show us fdisk -l
[14:30] <GridCube> i missunderstood you sorry
[14:30] <GridCube> Arpad2, did you encrypted the installation?
[14:30] <Arpad2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5601190/
[14:31] <Arpad2> i only wanted
[14:31] <GridCube> /dev/sda2 its unuse, and its huuuuuuuge
[14:32] <GridCube> or maybe im sleepy and im not understanding a thing here
[14:32] <Arpad2> somewhere is a huge space
[14:32]  * GridCube will stop now, he is making silly mistakes
[14:32] <GridCube> Arpad2, install gparted and see graphically
[14:32] <Arpad2> because this is a 750 GB hdd, and system sees only 10 GB left
[14:33] <Arpad2> ok
[14:33] <koegs> Arpad2: you did something wring while partitioning, will be clear as soon as you fire up gparted
[14:34] <GridCube> theres something encrypted there
[14:34] <GridCube> in the fdisk -l
[14:34] <Arpad2> koegs: I am using linux for few years now but I find it difficult it to grasp the basic things clearly b:(
[14:34] <GridCube> i dont see what it is
[14:34] <GridCube> Disk /dev/mapper/cryptswap1: 16.0 GB, 15999172608 bytes
[14:34] <GridCube> it says
[14:34] <koegs> GridCube: it is an encrypted swap. automatically setup when you choose to encrypt your home-dir
[14:34] <GridCube> oh, then there might be the problem
[14:35] <knome> Arpad2, if it's a clean install and you still have the media at hand, i'd imagine a new install would be one of the easiest solutions there are
[14:35] <GridCube> some encryption magic
[14:35] <Arpad2> ok
[14:35] <koegs> knome: you are right, might be easier :D
[14:35] <Arpad2> but I will need a hand to avoid this mass again
[14:35]  * GridCube its not really helping and is sorry :(
[14:36] <Arpad2> I just wanted 16GB for the OS and 16GB swap
[14:36] <Arpad2> because the RAM is 8GB
[14:37] <GridCube> Arpad2, you can set up the partitions by hand using gparted in the installer, and then choose them
[14:39] <Arpad2> gparted says there is 668.83GB unallocated space
[14:40] <Arpad2> so may I  delete the encrypted partition?
[14:45] <Arpad2> ok I will go for a new install, but it worked only with boot repair
[15:22] <xubuntu421> Hi. I installed 12.10 on my sony laptop. updated and now it loads to blank screen. the live cd worked fine though. Anyone else have this problem?
[15:22] <xubuntu421> No login, mouse or anything. just black/active screen
[15:23] <GridCube> xubuntu421, do you get to a grub stage?
[15:24] <xubuntu421> yes. and the disk loads as if its loading, but no login screen. with just 12.10 before updates. it installed but the screen was wrapped/offcenter after installation.
[15:24] <xubuntu421> live cd was perfect. post-installation not so much.
[15:25] <GridCube> xubuntu421, in the grub stage choose a previous linux version and boot with an older kernel
[15:25] <xubuntu421> GridCube, ok let me try that.
[15:27] <xubuntu421> GridCube, yes it worked. the .17 kernel works fine. all resolved. thank you.
[15:28] <GridCube> no problem, report the issue please
[15:28] <GridCube> to launchpad
[15:28] <xubuntu421> GridCube, will do. I can find the issue tracker on xubuntu.org?
[15:29] <GridCube> xubuntu421, its launchpad.net, you just need to have an account there, then use the ubuntu-bug program
[15:29] <xubuntu421> Ok, I think I have an account. Will gather data and follow up.
[15:29] <GridCube> xubuntu421, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/KernelTeamBugPolicies
[15:32] <GridCube> thats fairly too complex
[15:32] <SonikkuAmerica> X13.04 out yet?
[15:33] <GridCube> yes :3
[15:33] <Guest52725> some people are just too lazy to look at the web site :(
[15:33] <GridCube> !isout
[15:35] <knome> or the topic...
[15:35] <SonikkuAmerica> !isitout
[15:36] <GridCube> lol topic
[15:36] <GridCube> noone reads topics
[15:36] <SonikkuAmerica> Today: "13.04! Yay!" Tomorrow: *whining* "When will 13.10 be released?"
[15:45] <genii-around> SonikkuAmerica: It's always that way.
[15:45] <SonikkuAmerica> You don't say!
[15:45] <SonikkuAmerica> I used to be one of those peeps
[16:13] <ArchBeOS> hey guys, any gotchas that i need to know about when upgrading from 12.10 to 13.04?
[16:13] <knome> ArchBeOS, as always, take backups.
[16:14] <ArchBeOS> k
[16:15] <ArchBeOS> i remember there were icon issues when i went 12.04 to 12.10
[16:15] <ArchBeOS> you know what? im just gonna do it
[16:15] <ArchBeOS> thanks
[16:17] <jtreminio> Good afternoon! I'm running the latest xubuntu version. When I select text in my terminal, it doesn't automatically get copied to clipboard. Is this because of a setting somewhere?
[16:19] <koegs> jtreminio: it is copied, just paste it with the middle mouse button
[16:19] <jtreminio> koegs, what if there's a lack of middle button?
[16:20] <GridCube> jtreminio, as i said, it works
[16:20] <GridCube> emulation works too
[16:20] <jtreminio> Is there two, concurrent clipboards? One for middle-button and one for CTRL+V?
[16:20] <GridCube> yes
[16:20]  * jtreminio sighs
[16:20] <GridCube> one is xfce's and the other its xorg
[16:20] <drc> jtreminio: IIRC, both mouse buttons normally mimics the middle mouse button.
[16:20] <jtreminio> Is there a way to merge these two?
[16:21] <GridCube> its has been like that since the dawning of time
[16:21] <jtreminio> Maybe I've been corrupted by Windows. In putty, select text -> automatically in clipboard. I remember this happening in my previous experiences with linux desktops, too
[16:21] <jtreminio> Or maybe my memory is cloudy.
[16:22] <GridCube> you can add a clipboard manager to the panel
[16:22] <GridCube> but it wont still understand selected text as copy, thats just how xorg works
[16:24] <koegs> or use some tool like glippy
[16:24] <jtreminio> hot dog just installed parcellite - fixes it completely
[16:24] <koegs> it can synchronize both clipboards
[16:24] <koegs> or parcelite :)
[16:40] <jadus> hi guya
[16:40] <jadus> *guys
[16:40] <GridCube> !hi | jadus
[16:41] <jadus> i have a problem with 13.04 x64 and fglrx
[16:41] <jadus> i have installed it from AMD drivers page, it seems OK
[16:41] <jadus> but X crashes on Failed to create screen resources
[16:42] <jadus> any help?
[16:42] <jadus> i can rewrite manualy xorg.conf if it is necessary
[16:47] <jadus> should i try to drivers from repo?
[16:53] <GridCube> !patience
[16:53] <GridCube> jadus, and yes, you can probably do that
[16:55] <maddernick> sure there isnt an update for the driver in question listed @ additional drivers?
[16:57] <jadus> ok
[17:04] <jadus> from repos "aticonfig: No supported adapters"
[17:12] <jadus> and after switch to fglrx-updates it crashes again...
[17:35] <jadus> i am going to try install ubuntu only and then install xfce
[17:35] <jadus> i hope in miracle :D
[19:28] <xubuntuLew> I've got a question. Just today, I upgraded my laptop and desktop from 12.10 to 13.04. My laptop seems to be handling stuff fine, but my desktop has a minor issue. Whenever I click to go into Firefox, my screen freezes, and I'm presented with a squiggly picture. Does anybody have any suggestions as to how I can fix this?
[19:30] <xubuntuLew> Oh, and by the way, I also have Chromium/Chrome on my desktop, and I didn't get the squiggly picture when I clicked on that.
[19:39] <carrera> Hi Everyone!  :)
[19:45] <xubuntuLew> I removed firefox for right now on my desktop, since I couldn't find a way of how to update it.
[19:46] <xubuntuLew> Ok, so I was just checking my other applications, and it happened again.
[19:46] <carrera>  since 13.04 image doesn't fit on a single CD anymore, do I have to burn it on a DVD or can I install from flash too?
[19:46] <well_laid_lawn> you can install from a usb drive
[19:46] <well_laid_lawn> !install
[19:49] <carrera> well_laid_lawn, thank u sir!
[19:49] <well_laid_lawn> cheers
[19:50] <xubuntuLew> Ok, I seriously need some help here.
[19:50] <xubuntuLew> Please.
[19:51] <baizon> xubuntuLew: ?
[19:51] <carrera> well_laid_lawn, could you come to offtopic
[19:51] <well_laid_lawn> carrera:  nope I'm off to work now
[19:51] <well_laid_lawn> bye
[19:51] <carrera> thanks
[19:51] <carrera> which city are u in?
[19:52] <baizon> xubuntuLew: try to clean the configuration of firefox
[19:52] <xubuntuLew> I seem to be getting a squiggly, messed up screen that freezes on my desktop whenever I click on a random app. I'm running Xubuntu 13.04, if that's any help.
[19:52] <baizon> xubuntuLew: all applications ?
[19:53] <xubuntuLew> firefox and mail reader, so far. I uninstalled firefox, so do you think that uninstalling mail reader would help?
[19:53] <xubuntuLew> I don't use it much anyways, and I also have Chrome/Chromium for web browsing.
[19:54] <baizon> xubuntuLew: remove the .cache folder
[19:54] <baizon> i mean the content of it
[19:54] <xubuntuLew> where can that be found?
[19:55] <baizon> xubuntuLew: /home/username/.cache
[19:55] <carrera> wouldn't it be under something like ~/.mozilla/firefox/yosqnmb1.default
[19:56] <carrera> ~/.mozilla/firefox/yosqnmb1.default/Cache
[19:56] <baizon> xubuntuLew: please try running firefox from terminal
[19:56] <baizon> xubuntuLew: or this email app
[19:57] <xubuntuLew> how?
[19:57] <baizon> xubuntuLew: open terminal, type firefox
[20:00] <baizon> xubuntuLew: problem sovled?
[20:01] <xubuntuLew> I uninstalled firefox earlier, and when I type "Mail Reader" in the terminal, it says "No command 'Mail' found."
[20:01] <baizon> xubuntuLew: of course, because you have to type the program name
[20:01] <xubuntuLew> That is the name, though.
[20:01] <baizon> no, it's not
[20:02] <baizon> was it thunderbird maybe?
[20:03] <xubuntuLew> nope. All I know is that the icon for it is an envelope with a red/blue dashed line on the edges.
[20:04] <baizon> xubuntuLew: and what about other programs?
[20:04] <baizon> are they working?
[20:05] <xubuntuLew> As far as I know, yes.
[20:05] <baizon> xubuntuLew: well, then install firefox again and try launching it from the command line
[20:06] <xubuntuLew> installing..
[20:07] <xubuntuLew> I take back what I said about Thunderbird. I'm starting to think that Mozilla is having some un-resolved compatibility issues with Xubuntu.
[20:08] <baizon> i dont think so, because i didnt hear from anybody having this issue
[20:10] <xubuntuLew> maybe sudo apt-get update could take care of it.
[20:16] <xubuntuLew> baizon: I got briefly disconnected from here. I'm back.
[20:18] <carrera> can I install from a USB extrnal drive too or does it have to be a flash drive?
[20:21] <xubuntuLew> nope. didn't help.
[20:24] <xubuntuLew> I emptied the .cache folder.
[20:24] <xubuntuLew> didn't help, either.
[20:31] <zodiak> stupid question, when creating past (say) 10 terminals inside the xfce terminal, little scroll arrows appear, how do I get the title to jst shrink and not have them appear ?
[20:36] <xubuntuLew> Same crap happened with Thunderbird.
[20:36] <xubuntuLew> brb
[20:36] <itz_> I'm risk adverse based on previous experiences with main ubuntu .. how long should I leave before upgrading to 13.04 xubuntu? :)
[20:38] <zodiak> itz_, if you are risk averse, you should always run one release behind
[20:40] <xubuntuLew> or at least wait until the official release of the current system is out.
[20:40] <xubuntuLew> and when I say system, I mean version.
[20:41] <David-A> zodiak: the titles do shrink when tabs shrink (when there are more tabs).
[20:41] <Pici> xubuntuLew: 13.04 is out.
[20:41] <jamireh> Is anyone available to help me debug a compiz focus bug? Xubuntu 13.04 x64 Basically, about half the time, if an application is fullscreen I won't be able to grab the title bar, the window manager acts as if I just clicked on the desktop behind it.
[20:41] <xubuntuLew> I know. I'm using it right now.
[20:42] <xubuntuLew> That's to Pici, btw.
[20:42] <zodiak> David-A, not in 13.04.. they stay the same and the left/right arrows appear :(
[20:42] <jamireh> I would try with Emerald but it crashes with Segfault instantly and it won't compile from source for me
[20:44] <xubuntuLew> Error fixed. Mozilla has some compatibility issues to resolve, and Mail Reader was going through Thunderbird. Uninstalled Firefox (again) and Thunderbird. Thanks, everyone (especially baizon)! :)
[20:45] <David-A> zodiak: if the titles are the current working dir, they are set via env.var. PROMPT_COMMAND. if you unset PROMPT_COMMAND and shorten the titles with  echo -ne '\033]0;x\007'  will that narrow the tabs?
[20:46] <zodiak> David-A, no, sorry, the title at the TOP of the terminal .. you end up with (say) 10 terminals open with tabs, the 11th will cause left/right arrows to appear
[20:48] <seppi> hi
[20:57] <David-A> zodiak: I just tried with 11 tabs in xfce4-terminal 0.4.3. with at least one title longer than "x" there was the arrows, with all tab titles "x" the arrows disappeared.
[20:57] <David-A> zodiak: but with about 16 tabs, the arrows appear again, even with the short "x" titles in all of them.
[20:58] <zodiak> xfce terminal 0.6.1 in 13.04 does it .. and I don't remember them appearing
[21:02] <seppi> why would an dist upgrade from xubuntu 12.10 to 13.04 would newly install things like gnome-control-center, gnome-desktop*, gnome-session-bin, libunity? i do not want gnome
[21:03] <SonikkuAmerica> seppi: You mean a [ do-release-upgrade ] right?
[21:03] <seppi> yes
[21:03] <SonikkuAmerica> One sec...
[21:04] <seppi> thanks
[21:05] <seppi> there are more gnome things in the update list, i was just picking a few ones
[21:05] <SonikkuAmerica> I just looked at the release notes... I see no reason why (it should install xfce4-settings-manager, xubuntu-desktop, xubuntu-session, xfce4-session, libxfce*)
[21:06] <SonikkuAmerica> seppi: It depends on GNOME for some things, though...
[21:06] <seppi> but not gnumeric for sure
[21:06] <knome> seppi, uninstall xubuntu-desktop, then upgrade
[21:07] <seppi> is that normal behaviour?
[21:08] <knome> we are reintroducing gnumeric and gimp for 13.04, and if you have xubuntu-desktop installed but not gnumeric, yes
[21:08] <seppi> ahh, ok
[21:09] <seppi> and i guess that is why it pulls in additional gnome-libs?
[21:09] <knome> so as i said, uninstall xubuntu-desktop (it's a metapackage, it won't actually remove any apps)
[21:09] <knome> that's most probably it.
[21:09] <seppi> ahh, thanks a lot
[21:10] <SonikkuAmerica> Ah, good call knome
[21:10] <SonikkuAmerica> That would do it
[21:22] <seppi> well, removing xubuntu-desktop and running do-release-upgrade did not really change anything since xubuntu-desktop is in the to-install-list now
[21:23] <SonikkuAmerica> He who wears the crown, shall be KING.
[21:23] <seppi> id wanted to save some time (slow interwebs here...) but i can do the upgrade and remove stuff later
[21:23] <SonikkuAmerica> Translation: Once you start an install, you must finish it.
[21:23] <SonikkuAmerica> seppi: Yeah.
[21:23] <seppi> no, i did not start
[21:24] <seppi> i restarted it after removing xubuntu-desktop
[21:24] <seppi> i stopped at the detail listing what would change
[21:25] <SonikkuAmerica> seppi: Well, xubuntu-desktop is in the preseed...
[21:27] <seppi> maybe someone totally without anything to da should look at that, but i am no more into distro building
[21:27] <seppi> to do
[21:30] <SonikkuAmerica> seppi: Why so? xubuntu-desktop pulls in everything you need.
[21:33] <seppi> not very important, you guys do a great job (i can not stand unity/gnome) but it pulls in some more gnome things and i was worried
[21:33] <knome> seppi, i imagine the main culprit is gimp
[21:33] <seppi> i already have gimp
[21:33] <knome> right :)
[21:34] <knome> then it's probably gnumeric
[21:34] <knome> that's part of the gnome office
[21:35] <seppi> a little note at the xubuntu rel. notes would have stopped me bugging you :P
[21:35] <knome> seppi, you mean like "Gnumeric and GIMP are reintroduced on the ISO" :]
[21:36] <seppi> no more like "Gnumeric and GIMP are reintroduced on the ISO (that means on update some more gnome components are pulled in, no panik)"
[21:36] <knome> mmh. though that's not true for many again
[21:37] <knome> we want to keep the release notes as clean as possible and try not to be too technical
[21:37] <seppi> ok
[21:37] <knome> but feedback is welcome and will be processed ;)
[21:38] <seppi> i come from a distro developing bg, i wonder about such things...
[21:38] <seppi> not a normal *buntu case, i know
[21:39] <SonikkuAmerica> seppi: I'm not a normal *buntu case, either.
[21:39] <knome> yeah. we didn't put too much effort in the notes this time as it is mostly a maintenance release
[21:39] <SonikkuAmerica> My buddy Will was using 9.10, he intro'ed me.
[21:40] <knome> most people don't even read the notes even if they should
[21:40] <knome> but this is getting offtopic, feel free to join #xubuntu-offtopic :)
[21:40] <SonikkuAmerica> I did! I did! I did! I did! I did! I did! I did! ... OK, I'll stop now. :)
[21:40] <seppi> i am an old fart, i used linux in 1995, when computers were made out of wood :D
[21:40] <seppi> hehe
[21:40] <SonikkuAmerica> !ot
[21:40] <seppi> i shut up now
[21:40] <SonikkuAmerica> We can go to -ot
[22:00] <newuserayudame> hola
[22:01] <newuserayudame> soy nuevo alguien que me ayude
[22:03] <knome> !es | newuserayudame
[22:03] <SonikkuAmerica> !es | newuserayudame
[22:52] <kai_andy> hi folks
[22:52] <SonikkuAmerica> Yo
[22:53] <nukke> hihi
[22:53] <kai_andy> I'm trying to set up 13.04 with an encrypted lvm, but I don't want to encrypt the entire drive.
[22:54] <kai_andy> so I chose "other" as my partitioning options
[22:55] <kai_andy> when I set up a partition as encrypted volume, the installer automatically creates an lvm with a single partition in it, so I can't add swap.
[22:56] <kai_andy> and I can't edit the lvm stuff. any suggestions?
[22:58] <kai_andy> this is a bit annoying, as resizing the lvm vgs later will be a pain
[23:14] <ftolentino> kai_andy: I don't use LVM, but TrueCrypt works great for me.. maybe it can be a good alternative for you
[23:15] <kai_andy> can that encrypt swap?
[23:16] <kai_andy> I mean, I've got the described setup working in Ubuntu 10.04...
[23:18] <kai_andy> oh well. just set up the lvm stuff manually. I hope the installer or boot loader is smart enough to grok this and do the right thing during boot
[23:19] <kai_andy> just a shame. it really was so easy in the Debian ncurses-based installer
[23:21] <Wally> if I grab the 32 bit versions of libraries on xubuntu and jam them into the lib32 directory on the 64 versions things should still work yeah?
[23:22] <ftolentino> kai_andy: yes, it encrypts any system drive you want: http://www.truecrypt.org/docs/?s=system-encryption
[23:22] <ftolentino> and it's pretty easy :)
[23:23] <kai_andy> ftolentino: that just talks about windows, though.
[23:25] <kai_andy> http://www.truecrypt.org/docs/?s=system-encryption only lists windows
[23:26] <kai_andy> the second page anyway
[23:26] <trickyhero> will my beta install of xubuntu update to 13.04?
[23:27] <kai_andy> trickyhero: it should
[23:27] <trickyhero> kai_andy great thanks
[23:28] <ftolentino> kai_andy: oh, I'm sorry.. you're right. But it's open here and it can apparently encrypt my swap volume as any other system device
[23:31] <kai_andy> I think I'll stay with lvm. that was working great for the last three years. :)
[23:31] <ftolentino> kai_andy: nice, and I'll research about it :)
[23:32] <kai_andy> it's just that if you don't want to encrypt the entire drive support in the current installer seems lacking
[23:34] <kai_andy> if the manual setup won't work, I'll see if I can use the Ubuntu installer and get it to not install that horrible DE
[23:35] <kai_andy> maybe just the server install :)
[23:39] <ftolentino> it seems to be a good idea :)
[23:43] <kai_andy> anyway, way past bedtime. bye