[05:59] good morning === yofel_ is now known as yofel [07:18] logging into kubuntu is awesome (no grub screen anymore?), but when I tried to add "ubuntu-desktop" to this laptop to demonstate stock ubuntu this weekend at LFNW, I can't log into it successfully [07:19] is it passwordless by default? [07:19] I thought it might have stuck when I used my kub. passw [07:42] Riddell: hello, could you poke someone to have a look at this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/+bug/1172859 on my machine I have kwin not starting after upgrading to 13.4, that is rather grave I'd say [07:42] Launchpad bug 1172859 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "KWin crashes on startup in 13.4 with nvidia driver" [Undecided,New] [08:06] soee: yes, "empty trash" has been implemented. Will be in 1.0 (aka, the new 0.3) [09:09] Hey guys. Printer doesn't work on clean 13,04 install ;( [09:10] i can add it, it's listed, i use the driver for it and it doesn't print [09:10] and btw, what happend to printer autoconfiguration ? [09:31] Hello Kubuntu devs [09:45] \o [09:48] morning [09:48] sheytan: in systemsettings ->printer checkif "reject print jobs" is ticked? [09:49] Hello Riddell:) [09:50] Riddell: it was. Thank you [09:50] but [09:50] i don't know which DUMBASS translated it into polish that way ;((( [09:51] btw, another bug is that when you have two graphics in your notebook, the kscreen manager shows two separated screens. [09:51] i think it's because of the two graphics chips [09:52] sheytan: You don't usually go around calling translators dumbasses since we don't have many of them [09:52] dantti: do you know why reject print jobs is on by default [09:52] ? [09:53] What's the exact translation problem sheytan? [09:53] Quintasan: sorry, but i'm dealing with it for about 2h [09:53] just got nervous [09:54] It's translated to 'ostatnie zatanie drukowania' [09:54] Yeah, happens but translators (usually) have nothing to do with it being set to reject jobs by default :P [09:54] Wow, seriously? [09:54] yea [09:54] Riddell: Is the printer applet Kubuntu specific or it's upstream magic? [09:54] it's dantti's upstream magic [09:54] I see. [09:54] even if, what should this mean? It's tragic ;( [09:55] sheytan: Can you give me a screenshot of where that line exactly shows up? [09:55] jus a sec [09:55] * Quintasan really needs to resume participating in KDE translations [09:57] Quintasan: http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/6105/zrzutekranu1yk.png [09:58] Wat [09:58] Seriously it's there [09:59] sheytan: I'll take a look at that [09:59] thank you [10:28] sheytan: I have submitted a bug fix [10:28] sheytan: Next time you should send an email to the kde-i18n-pl-uwagi mailing list [10:29] if i would knew what it does (the checkbox) i would [10:29] i didn't use the new printer manager in english :) [10:30] sheytan: Well, yeah but then you realised what's wrong so you could inform people there. I used to translate KDE actively but I stopped managing my time efficiently [10:30] Guess I gotta stop playing games [10:30] * Quintasan removes Team Fortress [11:18] Riddell: Teach me something: What necessary packages from KDE would I need if I work on a Ubuntu Studio KDE (official) edition? [11:33] Quintasan: i just realized it 10 seconds before you ping me about that :) [11:33] Hmm [11:33] That reminds me I have to do some stuff [11:33] Riddell: any know problem with installing google chrome.deb downloaded right from google page? It shows problems with deps [11:34] sheytan: You'll have to paste the exact error message [11:51] Riddell: I need to investigate but I think it's CUPS to blame since there is no code to make it reject jobs afair [12:00] ::qt-bugs:: [1173138] QT 4.8.4 bug: Arabic-indic numerals instead of Arabic numerals in Slovak localization @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1173138 (by phjr) [12:00] Launchpad bug 1173138 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu) "QT 4.8.4 bug: Arabic-indic numerals instead of Arabic numerals in Slovak localization" [Undecided,New] [12:01] dantti: nice problem, printing works from virtualbox, web browser, all apps like kate but doesn't from Okular :D === skfin__ is now known as skfini [12:02] got any idea? [12:08] shadeslayer: not much, since it's the app job to send it no print-manager involved [12:08] shadeslayer: have you tried different pdf or something? [12:13] Quintasan: google chrome depends on libgconf2-4 and libudev0, but both are unable to find in standard repos. I enabled the partner repo but still the same [12:14] libgconf2-4 depends ond libgconf-2-4 [12:15] ... [12:15] there is libudev0 and libudev1 [12:15] I don't see any missing stuff there [12:15] sheytan: apt-get update [12:15] apt-get show libudev0 [12:17] Quintasan: what's the adress to default kubuntu ppa? [12:17] ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa [12:17] not backports nor updates [12:25] Quintasan: so i have the repo, did update but no such packages still [12:25] i'm on x64 but this shouldnt be a reason [12:43] ::workspace-bugs:: [982889] X trying to start before plymouth has finished using the drm driver @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/982889 (by Tomas Vanderka) [12:43] Launchpad bug 982889 in OEM Priority Project precise "X trying to start before plymouth has finished using the drm driver" [High,In progress] [13:01] sheytan: that's release noted, wait for chrome 28 release. [13:01] you can add quantal repository as the lowest one and fetch libudev0 from there.... [13:04] Riddell: Er you here? [13:04] Hey all [13:06] xnox: you read release notes? isn't that highly frowned upon ;) [13:14] debfx: i contributed to write them...... ! [13:15] xnox: outrages! [13:20] smartboyhw: You can probably look at the Edubuntu seed history in Launchpad as they used to have exactly such a thing. [13:20] * ScottK waves to debfx. [13:22] ScottK: Oh OK [13:22] * debfx waves back [13:27] ScottK: Is Edubuntu seed once support KDE? [13:28] Yes. They had a separate metapackage for a KDE based edubuntu desktop. [13:29] ScottK: Hurray! (but will there be any differences now and then?) [13:34] smartboyhw_: hmm? [13:36] highvoltage: Oh I am just wondering how to make Ubuntu Studio supporting KDE as well and ScottK pointed to your old seeds... [13:48] Hmm the new KDE release proposal appearing on mailing lists is interesting… [13:51] Releasing 4.11 as an LTS then start to release KDE 5 and Plasma 2 [14:05] * yofel wonders what jessie will ship ^^ [14:15] yofel: if history is any indication kde 4.11 and 4.12 apps or whatever that will be called [14:20] probably, but I think they should just stamp 4.12 on everything so people stay sane [14:43] evening [14:43] Riddell: You saw my message? [14:45] Hmm I should probably rebuild Calligra with opencolorio [14:45] And do the first upload to Saucy [14:51] dantti: suse has the same issue of rejecting prints [14:51] smartboyhw_: I think the place to start would be to look at the seeds [14:52] Riddell: OK [15:49] yay [15:49] http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/release-team/2013-April/006925.html [15:50] for those of you not on kde-release ^^ [15:50] Right. Was that sarcasm or not? [15:50] not [15:51] I like the idea of having a long term supported KDE [15:51] plus, it's quite needed to go to FF5 IMHO [15:51] To me the proposal kind of adds up to, "if we stop working on stuff people use and start working on stuff we haven't released, people will take us more seriously" [15:51] he [15:51] heh [15:52] ScottK: To me it reads as, if we keep working on 4.x features, we'll never get frameworks 5 done [15:52] Why don't they do a frameworks release so there's stable API/ABI and THEN freeze the KDE4 workspace. [15:52] It's free software. [15:52] because they can't do the former without man power? [15:52] and currently all the man power is invested in 4.x [15:52] People are always free to not work on stuff. [15:53] That add up more like "If we prohibit people from working on what they are interested in, maybe they will work on what we are interested in" [15:53] FOSS manpower isn't fungible or arbitrarily redirectable. [15:54] well, they're not going stop working on the 4.x [15:54] + series [15:54] it's just not going to get new features [16:01] stop/reduce [16:01] But not that many devs are excited about fixing bugs. [16:01] They put up with it as part of the cost of doing business. [16:01] Stopping feature work is stopping people from working on what they want to. [16:04] hi all [16:05] if I am on 13.04 and install kdevelop will it pull in all the required Qt packages so that I can use QtCreator in 13.04 with Qt4 as well? [16:06] it doesn't look like it by what apt-get is pulling in? [16:06] georgelappies: I'm told you can. [16:06] (even though it pull in Qt5) [16:07] thanks ScottK [16:07] yofel: Bug #1102032 looks like a side effect of your synaptiks upload and is one of the top crashers on errors.ubuntu.com. Could you look into it? [16:07] bug 1102032 in synaptiks (Ubuntu) "synaptikscfg crashed with KeyError in __setitem__(): u'circular_touchpad'" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1102032 [16:08] I'll take a look at it later [16:09] Thanks. [16:26] oh, can we please remove synaptiks? at least in the new sauce [16:27] debfx: We lack a replacement. The only alternative we found was worse. [16:27] Maybe afiestas will solve that for us. [16:27] it's been unmaintained for quite some time and the bugs page is full of crashes [16:28] So just don't ship anything for touchpad configuration? [16:30] let me try it on my laptop [16:36] ScottK: GSoC will do [16:37] just got the proposal (30min ago) [16:38] great [16:39] debfx: ^^^ there we go. [16:39] yay [16:43] got the proposal doesn't mean accepted by google! [16:43] True. [16:45] I am getting kernel panics with drm_kms_helper [16:46] what is drm_kms_helper? [16:46] something to do with graphics [16:46] but you'd need to ask some linux people to debug that, we only do kde [16:47] sounds like something that interacts with Kernel Mode Setting ( KMS ) and Direct Rendering Manager? ( DRM ) [16:47] probably #ubuntu-kernel would know [16:47] thanks Riddell and shadeslayer [17:20] my time keeps on resseting itself to two hours earlier??? I am GMT+2 but I ensure to set the time to 19:15 and reboot, but it keeps going back to 17:15 [17:26] georgelappies: Is your timezone set properly? [17:26] rofl [17:26] the dogs on the street just rang the bell of our house [17:26] shadeslayer: The dogs did? [17:26] yes [17:27] sadandblue: yeah, I think so. I am in AFRICA/Johannesburg time zone which is GMT +2 [17:27] and the bell is at human height [17:27] shadeslayer: Clever dogs! [17:27] so about 4-5 feet [17:27] sadandblue: apparently :P [17:28] shadeslayer: it shows the correct public hilodays as well ;) [17:32] shadeslayer: :-) [17:42] shadeslayer: Any ideas why kde-telepathy is 0.6.0? [17:42] Good evening. [17:42] are you sure? [17:42] !info kde-telepathy-contact-list [17:42] kde-telepathy-contact-list (source: ktp-contact-list): Telepathy contact list for the KDE Plasma Desktop. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.1-0ubuntu1 (quantal), package size 151 kB, installed size 955 kB [17:42] !info kde-telepathy-contact-list raring [17:42] I mean kde-telepathy [17:42] kde-telepathy-contact-list (source: ktp-contact-list): Telepathy contact list for the KDE Plasma Desktop. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.1-0ubuntu1 (raring), package size 176 kB, installed size 1120 kB [17:42] the package [17:42] ^^ [17:43] !info kde-telepathy [17:43] Time to install Raring to my laptop :) [17:43] kde-telepathy (source: meta-kde-telepathy): metapackage for installing all the KDE Telepathy components. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.0ubuntu1 (quantal), package size 1 kB, installed size 26 kB [17:43] !info kde-telepathy raring [17:43] kde-telepathy (source: meta-kde-telepathy): metapackage for installing all the KDE Telepathy components. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.0ubuntu1 (raring), package size 1 kB, installed size 26 kB [17:43] sup [17:43] same goes for minimal [17:43] besides [17:43] Quintasan: the meta package depends on >= 0.6.0 [17:43] It's broken here [17:43] so it shouldn't really matter? [17:43] I get internal component error when trying to connect [17:44] debug it? [17:45] Just upgrade to 13.04. Now plasma-desktop does not start with kde, I have to manually start it from console. After it loads the mouse pointer is invisible. Any ideas? [17:45] weird [17:49] regarding the pointer, check in systemsettings if the mouse theme is set correctly [17:50] I dont think thats the problem. If I press CTRL-ALT-BP, the shutdown buttons shows up and the pointer [17:50] :S [17:51] Before starting plasma-desktop I only get the mouse pointer and a kwallet password popup [17:51] everything else is a black screen [17:51] I believe that plasma-desktop needs to do some related initialization work with the pointer [17:52] Just found this, not sure if kubuntu was hit by this: http://dilfridge.blogspot.com.br/2013/02/kde-4100-plasma-desktop-crashes-and-qt.html [17:56] shadeslayer: Also, I changed my jid to quintasan@quintasan.pl [17:56] okay? [18:01] Quintasan: sent you a request :P [18:02] hmm [18:02] Nothing here [18:02] I got yours [18:05] interesting enough, under unity, using konqueror, the pointer vanishes when over it [18:10] Quintasan: that doesn't look good http://i.imgur.com/LpknG3h.png [18:11] wat [18:11] telepathy [18:11] *shrug* [18:13] lol [18:13] Quintasan: removed and re-added you http://i.imgur.com/yi4Mb97.png [18:14] now? [18:17] Quintasan: yeah works [18:18] Good [18:26] shadeslayer or Quintasan: Could you have a look at Bug #1151620 - it's another common crasher on 13.04 (that I get regularly myself, I believe). [18:26] bug 1151620 in kdepim-runtime (Ubuntu) "akonadi_imap_resource crashed with SIGSEGV in q_func()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1151620 [18:27] looking [18:27] Thanks. [18:27] Unfortunately it loook like pim-runtime bugs are getting picked up by apport and not Dr. Konqi. [18:28] heh [18:29] Looks like it's crashing when disconnecting and there's some error generated [18:29] I guess crashing achieves the disconnect, but it's not idea. [18:30] Mmmm, trying to compile a test Qt gui app in kdevelop in 13.04 gives "Cannot find QtCore" error. How would one install Qt4.8 dev env on 13.04? [18:31] georgelappies: you want libqt4-dev [18:31] shadeslayer: thanks, will install it now [18:32] ScottK: sessionthread.cpp is in kdepimlibs not kdepim-runtime [18:32] Ah. [18:32] The application crash comes from akonadi_imap_resource which is though. [18:32] cloning that to have a look what happens [18:33] Thanks. [18:33] right, but the stacktrace shows that sessionthread.cpp is where the crash happens [18:33] #1999 0x00007effd019c0ba in KIMAP::SessionThread::socketError (this=0x256fcc0) at ../../kimap/sessionthread.cpp:232 === maco__ is now known as maco [18:38] damn, just had another kernel panic :( where can I completely switch off all desktop effects to see if that helps? [18:40] alt + shift + f12 should do that [18:40] Or System Settings -> Desktop effects [18:40] thanks sadandblue [18:42] wow, the effects does make a difference in how KDE looks... [18:42] georgelappies: Yup [18:57] Reinstall to Raring went smooth, great work Kubuntu dev-team!!! [19:00] New boot-splash is very nice, apachelogger :) [19:35] ScottK: do you have any steps to reproduce? [19:36] shadeslayer: Not reliable ones. It crashes about once every other hour while checking email. [19:37] I see [19:53] ScottK: patchy patchy from #kontact https://gist.github.com/anonymous/5469818 [19:54] You think? [19:54] ? [19:54] Do you think it's a good patch to try? [19:55] No idea, they'll try to contact the maintainer for a better patch [19:55] but you could try it out and see if it makes the issue go away [19:56] Thanks. [19:56] I'm a little reluctant to toss random patches onto my primary work machine. [19:57] :) [19:57] I can totally understand, but I'm not sure how we can fix the issue if the person who has the bug can't apply patches :P [19:58] you can talk to sergio to understand what's happening there in #kontact [19:58] he authored the patch [20:01] If you get an upstream "looks good", I'll do it. [20:01] (sorry, busy with $work) [20:01] okay :) === dantti_laptop|2 is now known as dantti_laptop [20:05] ::workspace-bugs:: [1173349] plasma-desktop crashes repeatedly since upgrading to 14.04 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1173349 (by abmoraz) [20:05] Launchpad bug 1173349 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "plasma-desktop crashes repeatedly since upgrading to 14.04" [Undecided,New] [20:07] what [20:07] we have a 14.04? [20:08] I guess the reporter is from the future :D [20:08] someone came from the future to report a bug and make sure the bug isn't in 14.04 after all ;P [20:09] :D [20:13] ^this was actually the true goal of Project Timelord. [20:17] making a time machine? [20:29] Don't we have one already? [20:36] dantti: Seems like the issue with the printer being disabled is only for the default printer. [20:42] Hmmm [20:43] ScottK: I think I know what is the problem but I'll have to check it out on a new machine [20:43] Cool. [20:43] Riddell: Do you have the Archos tablet? [20:46] ScottK: No luck, I thought it's a problem with the discovery protocol dnssd doing some magic but it turns out it's not that [20:47] OK. Hopefully shadeslayer gets some feedback on the patch he was looking at. [20:47] I found something about SELinux doing some magic [20:47] but we don't have that by default, do we? [20:48] SELinux is disabled by default AFAIK [20:48] Quintasan: whatcha doing? [20:48] No, we use apparmor instead. [20:48] That's on by default. [20:48] shadeslayer: Trying to think why is the default printer rejecting jobs by default [20:49] oh [20:49] checked the KCM? [20:49] because for some reason it was rejecting my jobs as well [20:49] Quintasan: It's turned off. [20:49] and turned out I had accidentally set it to reject jobs [20:49] ScottK: The printer? [20:50] It was set to reject jobs. [20:50] I just turned it on. [20:50] ^^ [20:50] That's not the behaviour we want, right? [20:50] No. [20:50] That's why Riddell was pining dantti earlier. [20:51] Yeah, that's what I'm also looking into [20:51] since [20:51] today I added a second printer on my laptop and it was alright [20:51] hurr [20:52] It looks like CUPS bug to me [21:17] Quintasan: yes I do [21:21] Riddell: Did you manage to get Active running on that? [21:26] Quintasan: no I've not had much chance to play around with it [21:27] if you think you'd do better I can send it to you [21:27] I see. [21:28] I'm not entirely inclined to say I'd do better but I have time to fiddle with it [21:29] would you know where to start? [21:29] Riddell: I'd say booting minimal install there would be the first step [21:31] Riddell: Where did you get with the process ? [21:31] Quintasan: nowhere on that one, I couldn't even work out how to boot the image from basyskom before I got distracted [21:32] nexus has been my priority and I've not been able to do much of that [21:32] I see [21:32] Where, at least I know where to look for help with that [21:32] booting minimal install will need a kernel that works on it [21:32] Well* [21:32] and I've no idea how to get one of those [21:33] I'll poke around and see if I can find one [21:33] If I do then I think I can get somewhere with it [21:34] e-mail me your address and I'll package it up [21:34] Riddell: What is the model of the device? [21:34] G9 101 [21:36] * Riddell snoozes [21:40] Riddell: Address sent [21:40] I've got some info how to boot Arch on that [21:50] Riddell: it's quite simple [21:50] you get the android kernel and build that, and try booting that :P [21:55] plus, the G9 101 has an OMAP SoC, should be trivial to get video drivers for that [22:57] Riddell: It seems there is something little different that localhost does when adding a printer, I'll do some more tests before I dive into CUPS source :P [22:58] at least CUPS access log are different when adding using localhost [23:35] wtf s-c-p adds the printer, then resume, then accept-jobs... this surely isn't what I had in mind :P