[00:00] <jcgs> Hi guys :) I just upgraded to raring and now I can't get lightdm/X to start :( I have a hybrid graphics card (AMD/Intel) and I wondered if anybody could give me a few tips? When I installed Quantal I installed some packages from a PPA and ran a couple of commands and then everything seemed to work fine, so fingers crossed it won't be to difficult this time :)
[00:03] <figure8car> I want to know how I can install the same QT development tools in 13.04 that were offered in 12.10
[00:03] <DarthFrog> figure8car:  Why can't you install the same packages?
[00:04] <jcgs> figure8car: will installing qt4-designer do it? command: sudo apt-get install qt4-designer
[00:04] <figure8car> Because I see bugs in the way certain widgets are drawn. I think it has to do with QT5x. I want to continue using QT4.8.3
[00:05] <figure8car> Pardon me
[00:06] <figure8car> I cannot install the same packages because Muon insists on uplifting to QT5x
[00:07] <jcgs> figure8car: The only version available to me is 4.8.4 would that be suitable
[00:08] <jcgs> figure8car: what do you mean 'keeps on uplifting me'? What is the version number of the package it's trying to install?
[00:10] <figure8car> In 12.10,  The tools I used were QtDesigner 4.8.3, Creator 2.5.2 and Qt Assistant 4.8.3
[00:11] <figure8car> The result in 13.04 is Creator 2.7.0
[00:12] <figure8car> I though the the resulting lib was the 5.x series. I'll check.
[00:14] <jcgs> figure8car: all my libqt4-* packages are version 4.8.4. Presumably yours are too?
[00:15] <figure8car> I'm on a 12.10 box now, all 4.8.3
[00:16] <jcgs> figure8car: Oh, well that's what they would be on raring/13.04
[00:16] <jcgs> figure8car: which means that raring isn't using qt5x
[00:17] <jcgs> figure8car: as far as I can see
[00:17] <figure8car> Creator has several "kits" you can configure, I thought I saw 5x in there.
[00:18] <figure8car> regardless, how would you approach getting the same packages from the 12.10 env into 13.04?
[00:19] <figure8car> I want out of the 12.10 box because its old and has other problems. I wanted to start fresh on a new box with 13.04
[00:20] <figure8car> I tried editing /etc/apt/sources.list but conflicts arrise...
[00:24] <jcgs> figure8car: what happens if you add the quantal sources as well?
[00:25] <jcgs> figure8car: i would probably use apt-get source and build from there
[00:25] <goodtime> thelionroars: i found it
[00:26] <goodtime> it is easy
[00:26] <jcgs> figure8car: but that's probably a much bigger task than i'd be able to complete
[00:26] <goodtime> Q: How do I run scripts automatically at startup?
[00:26] <goodtime>  A: Put them into ~/.irssi/scripts/autorun/ directory.
[00:26] <jcgs> figure8car: particularly since atm, my graphics aren't functional
[00:26] <figure8car> jcgs, have you ever built these packages? I was thinking of getting the source from Digia and building it...
[00:27] <goodtime>  ~/.irssi/scripts/autorun/dir
[00:27] <jcgs> figure8car: no, i don't have any particular experience with these apps at all.
[00:27] <goodtime> and thats it thelionroars
[00:28] <goodtime> its irssi too
[00:29] <goodtime> http://www.princessleia.com/tools/r2d2/weatherbot3.1.pl
[00:29] <figure8car> jcgs: thanks for the ideas, I'll try some stuff later tonight
[00:30] <jcgs> figure8car: just to warn you, all the qt4 libraries and the development apps are in one source package. that might mean you can't use different version together
[00:31] <figure8car> right, and it looks like I can get the series I want from Digia, but I have to manually install instead of using apt. I would rather use apt.
[00:31] <jcgs> figure8car: all the dev apps in the repo require the libraries to be the same version, so you will have to circumvent apt i think. Good luck :)
[00:32] <jcgs> figure8car: as above, apt will be very unhappy if the development apps are at different version from the libraries
[00:33] <jcgs> Sorry, I have to go to bed even though my computer's not fixed :( mainly because it's 0130 in London atm
[00:34] <figure8car> I will have to file a bug report on the rediculous bug I see in the new tool chain. It occurs with no code other than that created by the IDE, so I know its in the newer lib.
[00:49] <c2tarun> I installed Ubuntu 13.04 in a 5GB partition, its fast but I didn't like it. So I want to keep using Kubuntu12.04. The problem is GRUB is updated, how can I install grub back to Kubuntu's partiiton?
[00:55] <Obsidian1723> Well, usually everything is installed under / and on one physical hard drive, in one partition, so /var/ /boot (where GRUB is), /etc/ buin /sbin and so forth, all exist under /
[00:56] <Obsidian1723> You don't need to reinstall  GRUB. If you just want to remove the entry for 13.04 from the GRUB menu, you can do that.
[00:56] <Artakha> c2tarun, grub-install /dev/sdX
[00:56] <Artakha> obv must be root to do that
[00:57] <Artakha> Obsidian1723, if he nukes the partition, grub becomes unusable if it still is installed on that partition
[00:57] <c2tarun> Artakha: I think now the default grub must be in /dev/sda5 my Ubuntu partition. Are you sure that grub-install will enable it back from /dev/sda1 (kubuntu partition)?
[00:57] <Artakha> it should... it installs it there for me :P
[00:58] <Obsidian1723> If it's installed on the partition he nukes, yes.
[00:58]  * c2tarun trying
[00:58] <c2tarun> Artakha: just /dev/sda right? no digits
[00:58] <Obsidian1723> That's why I use VMs for testing. Less hassle, less mess.\
[00:59] <c2tarun> Obsidian1723: yeah, its just VMs are pretty slow on my machine :(
[01:00] <Artakha> c2tarun, yeah that'll install it on the mbr
[01:00] <Artakha> c2tarun, which os are you running right now? i guess it'd be most safe to do it while booted on the 12.04 partition
[01:01] <c2tarun> Artakha: yeah, I am in 12.04 only
[01:01] <c2tarun> installation finished, let me reboot and check
[01:01] <Artakha> ok then it should work
[01:03] <c2tarun> Artakha: it worked :) thanks
[01:03] <Artakha> yw :)
[01:05] <Obsidian1723> c2tarun: ah... could always get a spare PC to muck around on perhaps.
[01:05] <c2tarun> Obsidian1723: :) I am planning for Master from US, when I'll get there, I am thinking of buying a system76 Lappy :) it has pretty good reviews
[01:05] <Obsidian1723> I just have maxed my box out to 32GB... 16 isn't enough.
[01:06] <Obsidian1723> Those are nice, but expensive.
[01:06] <Obsidian1723> Check out ZAReason too...
[01:06]  * c2tarun checking
[01:07] <c2tarun> wow... I thought system76 is the only player with linux in market
[01:07] <Obsidian1723> My lappy is an olkd Dell D610 I paud $100 for. If it dies, I just buy another alppy, push out an image, run a script and life is good.
[01:07] <Obsidian1723> Nah, zareason and there's another one too, but I forget the name of it.
[01:08] <Obsidian1723> System76 is nice, but way pricey.
[01:08] <Obsidian1723> One of the guys at my last job spent $3,500 on a laptop from AlienWare. Unreal.
[01:09] <Obsidian1723> Of course I spent twice that amount on something else recently...
[01:10] <c2tarun> Obsidian1723: well Alienware's deserve it, its my dream laptop. But I don't know when I'll be able to afford them. ZAReasons have pretty nice configuration options
[01:10] <Obsidian1723> zareasomn does. I just have a hard time paying a lot of money for cars, computers, electronics in general,. because they don't hold value well at all.
[01:12] <c2tarun> Obsidian1723: yeah, but everyone has their passions :) I am sure yours is not cars or computers
[01:13] <Obsidian1723> Well, computers I've been at for a very long time. I enjoy them, work in them, but they are lousy investment vehicles.
[01:22] <c2tarun> technically for using, I don't think we need anything over i3 and 2/3gigs of RAM with integrated graphic card, those are pretty cheap. But for gaming purpose (and show off among friends) we have to invest some of our hard earned money  :(
[01:27] <Obsidian1723> I use all 16GB RAM in my PC.
[02:08] <noc1> test
[02:09] <noc1> :)
[03:16] <tcamdg> anyone have any issues upgrading 12.10 to 13.04 with full disk encryption?
[04:12] <goodtime> help
[04:13] <goodtime> does anyone know the command for flashplayer please
[04:13] <goodtime> this upgrade set me back their i guess
[04:14] <goodtime> hmm i forgot it
[05:28] <Macer> where can i file a bug?
[05:28] <Macer> obexftp still doesn't work
[05:28] <Macer> :-/
[05:28] <Macer> you can't write to a bt device
[05:28] <Macer> using dolphin
[05:31] <Macer> send file doesn't work either
[05:32]  * Macer facepalms
[05:32] <Macer> i give up
[05:32] <Macer> :-//topic
[05:47] <Macer> lol... easy to reproduce kernel panic
[05:47] <Macer> bt tether using bt dun
[05:47] <Macer> click the red x to disconnect in the network manager
[05:47] <Macer> kernel panic
[05:47] <Macer> system crashes
[05:53] <thomas____> ubuntu
[06:11] <nafg> What's new in the new kubuntu?
[07:29] <alvin> Hi. When using the new monitor settings thingie, what to do when you disable a monitor? I expected a timer that resets the settings when you don't confirm the settings within a certain amount of time. Apparently, there is no such timer. After logging in, the screen stays blank
[08:35] <luc4> Hi! Anyone using kubuntu on vmware?
[08:35] <luc4> In particular 13.04.
[09:07] <HeKToN> guys I can`t remove icons from the task bar. Is it a but or I`m doing something wrong ?
[09:10] <yahyaa> can some one please tell me why when I close Kubuntu it keeps hanging instead of properly shuting down?
[09:10] <yahyaa> I am using it on a macbook  pro
[09:13] <HeKToN> what do you mean by close it like closing the lid ?
[09:13] <esing> Do I have to compile this from source for kubuntu 13.04? http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Customizable+Weather+Plasmoid+%28CWP%29?content=98925&PHPSESSID=6a5400393f5ccb5207613942b3ac1a31
[09:13] <HeKToN> what do you mean by close it like closing the lid ? yahyaa
[09:16] <yahyaa> no, when I tell it to shut down, it freezes up at just a black screen and I then have to do a hard boot which throws me into the grub everytime I try to reboot!
[09:16] <HeKToN> it might be a lot of issues. I`m getting this when another user is also logged for example
[09:17] <ulysses> Hello, I made a bootable pendrive of Kubuntu 13.04 x64, set up the laptop to boot, but after I choose "Try Kubuntu" a login screen appears. How can I start the live session? there's a Windows 7 with UEFI and GPT already
[09:30] <mokush> any idea why i'm getting exact unity notifications on kde?
[09:32] <goodtime> did you install kde with unity desktop mokush?
[09:32] <mokush> goodtime: yeah, I installed kubuntu-desktop over unity.
[09:32] <goodtime> thats why
[09:32] <mokush> goodtime: how can i fix it?
[09:33] <goodtime> install kubuntu straight up that happend  to me also
[09:33] <mokush> goodtime: I can't do a fresh install right now. any way around it?
[09:33] <goodtime> so you apt-get kde-full with the unity desktop?
[09:34] <goodtime> sorry
[09:34] <goodtime> apt-get install kde-full with unity desktop
[09:34] <goodtime> hmmmm
[09:35] <goodtime> no you will alway get unity notifications
[09:35] <mokush> goodtime: i installed kubuntu-desktop, not kubuntu-full. and yeah, it was a fresh install of ubuntu
[09:35] <mokush> there must be some way to reverting to default kde ones without a fresh install
[09:36] <goodtime> reinstall kubuntu sorry that all i have
[09:36] <goodtime> i know its lame lol
[09:36] <goodtime> sorry man ill look into it because id like to know hoto now
[09:37] <goodtime> how to*
[09:48] <yahyaa> evertime I turn around there is a problem with this linux stuff, I am so tired of all these issues.
[09:49] <yahyaa> I am formatting and going back to windows where these issues don't exists!
[10:23] <nova_> I'm running Kubuntu as a vmware guest.  After the distribution upgrade from 12.10 to 13.04, I'm having a problem installing vmware-tools properly.  The driver that provides sharing folders with the host system fails to compile.  Here's the full text, lines 285-358 contain the errors.  http://pastebin.com/wE3L4Vxe.  Does anyone have any idea what might be wrong?
[10:24] <nova_> I verified that make, gcc, binutils, and kernel headers are installed as required.
[10:27] <luc4> nova_: kernel is 3.8 on 13.04. Maybe something changed.
[10:29] <nova_> yeah I'm not sure.  It seems to start falling apart with " error: implicit declaration of function ‘vmtruncate’"
[10:29] <CQ> hello, are there non-pae kernel packages in ubuntu, or do I need to compile my own kernel? I have an old pentium M laptop without PAE
[10:31] <monkeyjuice> CQ:  last thing i could get to run on non pae was linuxmint lxde
[10:31] <monkeyjuice> after 12.10 i think they went to pae
[10:34] <luc4> nova_: are you able to make the bottom task bar to appear with 13.04 on vmware?
[10:34] <nova_> the panel?
[10:36] <nova_> I haven't noticed any problems with panels, but mine is on the left side of the screen.
[10:43] <luc4> nova_: ah yes, there it works. Not on the bottom though.
[10:43] <nova_> really?
[10:43] <luc4> nova_: at least not here...
[10:44] <luc4> nova_: stopped working after the upgrade to 13.04.
[10:45] <nova_> I just added a new panel, and dragged it to the bottom..and it seems ok.  Not the "default" panel but jsut a blank one
[10:45] <nova_> do you jsut not see it?
[10:46] <nova_> Try it on the left with the "icons only task manager" widget
[10:47] <luc4> nova_: I mean the default panel. I see just the shadow.
[10:47] <luc4> nova_: yes, that works good.
[10:47] <luc4> nova_: I must have to 8 default panels on the bottom but I can't show those nor remove :-)
[10:47] <nova_> can you remove the dfault panel and add a blank one..then add in the widgets that are on the defautl panel?
[10:48] <luc4> nova_: but I can't remove the bottom panels cause those don't show up
[10:48] <nova_> as in manually reproduce it instead of using the "default"
[10:48] <luc4> if I place the panel on the bottom, I loose it :-)
[10:49] <nova_> what if you click where you think the panel toolbox button should be..does it rerender it when it adds controls?
[10:50] <luc4> nova_: no, it does not. It is like it is not showing at all. Clicking results as clicking on the desktop.
[10:51] <nova_> you installed vmware tools?
[10:52] <luc4> not yet, but I guess as you say it won't compile to this new kernel
[10:52] <luc4> what vmware are you using?
[10:52] <nova_> only the one modeule fails to compile..the one that allows for filesharing with the host directly
[10:52] <nova_> the latest vmware player
[10:53] <nova_> theres also the option of using openvm-tools from the repository..though i think it might not have all the same features
[10:53] <nova_> but the video drive stuff will work if you use the tar installer
[10:54] <luc4> nova_: vmware player on windows or linux? I'm on fusion. Let's see if anything changes...
[10:54] <nova_> in system settings/ desktop effects / advance, are you set to OpenGL ro XRender?
[10:55] <nova_> my host is windows 7
[10:55] <luc4> nova_: oops I did it again :-D
[10:55] <luc4> nova_: I was able to remove the panels, now I lost all of them :-D
[10:55] <nova_> its ok you can add one back in somewhere
[10:56] <nova_> right click, add panel
[10:56] <luc4> yes, now I have one to remove :-D ok, it will appear in some situations I saw, then I'll remove it. Anyway... not working on the bottom.
[10:57] <luc4> xrender in there, tried opengl but not working
[10:57] <nova_> yeah install vmware tools then check to see if its opegl
[10:57] <luc4> it used to work months ago, then it stopped
[10:57] <nova_> yeah when kde 4.10 released it broke
[10:58] <luc4> yeah, something like that
[10:58] <nova_> theres a way to force it to use opengl
[10:58] <nova_> let me find the thread
[10:58] <luc4> anyway here it works more or less the same with xrender
[10:58] <luc4> nothing really changes
[11:00] <nova_> yeah opengl is mobetta
[11:00] <nova_> http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=111&t=109963&p=258859&hilit=wobbly+windows#p258859
[11:00] <nova_> the kwin developer helped me fix it there
[11:00] <nova_> well work around it..he needs to fix it
[11:01] <nova_> but in the meantime
[11:01] <luc4> ooh! thanks!
[11:02] <nova_> its a pretty quick simple fix, and easily undone if you wanted to
[11:03] <luc4> isn't there a bugreport for this?
[11:04] <nova_> I'm not sure
[11:04] <nova_> I had a hard time finding any info on it when the problem accured
[11:04] <nova_> occured*
[11:05] <nova_> put "export KWIN_COMPOSE=O2" in a script like it says in the thread and youre good to go
[11:06] <nova_> if anything it should change how things are rendered..which may or may not change any panel rendering issue you're having
[11:06] <nova_> oh wait...what theme are you using
[11:07] <nova_> some custom themes work well one one edge, and not on another
[11:07] <nova_> set the plasma theme to the default
[11:08] <nova_> "desktop theme"
[11:08] <luc4> the vmware tools now are not finding the kernel headers
[11:12] <nova_> sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[11:12] <nova_> should do it
[11:14] <luc4> already installed
[11:15] <luc4> I get /usr/src/linux-headers-3.8.0-19-generic/include is not a valid path
[11:15] <nova_> hmm.."Detected the kernel headers at "/lib/modules/3.8.0-19-generic/build/include"
[11:16] <nova_> "The path "/lib/modules/3.8.0-19-generic/build/include" appears to be a valid
[11:16] <nova_> path to the 3.8.0-19-generic kernel headers."
[11:16] <luc4> "The path "/lib/modules/3.8.0-19-generic/build/include" is not a valid path"
[11:17] <luc4> "The path "/usr/src/linux-headers-3.8.0-19-generic/include" is not a valid path"
[11:17] <nova_> i wonder why yours comes up with a different path
[11:18] <luc4> it doesn't come up at all, I had to insert manually
[11:19] <nova_> I pretty much spam "enter" and accept most of the defaults..but all the paths seem to work out of the box
[11:20] <luc4> I commonly do that too... now it is finding an empty path as the kernel header path... but even entering seems not good. Let's try to reboot and see if something changes.
[12:00] <piksi> howdy. after upgrading to 13.04 the good old "can't stream video from smb shares to vlc" problem is back but now also appears in dragonplayer (can't find smb protocol source plugin) and via nautilus (streaming to vlc via nautilus used to work)
[12:00] <piksi> none of the fixes that worked for me in 12.10 have fixed it so far
[12:01] <goodtime> yeah i have the same prob piksi
[12:02] <goodtime> and also flash plugin isnt available in the software center does anybody know the command for flashplayer?
[12:03] <piksi> goodtime: for me installing restricted extras was enough to get flash
[12:03] <goodtime> ok ty :)
[12:05] <goodtime> E: Unable to locate package restrictedextras
[12:06] <piksi> kubuntu-restricted-extras
[12:06] <goodtime> ahhh ty
[12:18] <imgx64> I just installed 13.04, but plymouth doesn't run at boot (I'm getting ugly screens of text). How can I fix it?
[12:18] <imgx64> i checked, and plymouth and plymouth-theme-kubuntu-logo are both installed.
[12:18] <goodtime> let me try imgx64
[12:20] <goodtime> plymouth-theme-kubuntu-logo is already the newest version.
[12:20] <goodtime> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[12:20] <goodtime> hmmi guees i cant install it imgx64
[12:20] <goodtime> hmmm
[12:21] <piksi> yes i'm seeing the console bootup as well
[12:21] <goodtime> im not  idk
[12:21] <piksi> though it's only cosmetic so i don't care
[12:22] <goodtime> right
[12:22] <piksi> the date and time settings don't work either but there already seems to be a ton of bug reports on that
[12:22] <robwlo531> hi
[12:23] <robwlo531> i need a little help concerning controllbars in kubuntu 13.04. can somebody help?
[12:23] <imgx64> Looks like someone already reported it. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/1171099
[12:25] <robwlo531> I used to have 2 controllbars, a permanent one on the top of the screen and an "app" launcher at the bottom. Now, after upgrade from 12.10 to 13.04 the bottom one is not popping up on screen anymore
[12:26] <robwlo531> looks like it's popping up below the screen, as a slim blue shade appears when I move the mouse down
[12:26] <robwlo531> so: how can i get it shown on the screen again?
[12:26] <robwlo531> or disable it
[13:04] <BluesKaj_> Hey all
[13:29] <BluesKaj_> odd situation here, previously my onboard soundcard was recognized , it shows up in alsa , and i have it listed in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf as Card 1 , my maudio pci soundcard is Card 0/default . The 12.10 install still sees the onboard card as Card 1 gives me the option to use it if needed. Why is it suddenly greyed out in phonon?
[13:29] <BluesKaj_> on 13.04
[13:30] <BluesKaj_> searched for answers , but none seem to be available
[13:57] <yossarianuk> hi - there appears to be a bug in 13.04 - on a new install you have no taskbar and no kde menu.
[13:58] <smartboyhw_> ?
[13:58] <smartboyhw_> That is never reported…
[13:59] <genii-around> yossarianuk: Perhaps your screen resolution is set larger than your physical screen. If you move the cursor all the bay to the bottom , does the screen scroll?
[13:59] <genii-around> Bleh. Hit and runs.
[14:21] <jamil_1> hi all
[14:21] <jamil_1> I recently updated kubuntu
[14:21] <jamil_1> but now I get "OpenGL compositing (the default) has crashed KWin in the past."
[14:22] <jamil_1> This was most likely due to a driver bug.
[14:22] <jamil_1>  
[14:23] <jamil_1> I have "NVIDIA Driver Version: 304.54"
[14:36] <vista_killer> jamil_1 try the 313 nvidia driver
[14:38] <jamil_1> vista_killer: nvidia website has 310.44
[14:38] <vista_killer> reposiotires have the 313.30 driver available. Is beta version but very stable
[14:47] <iBelieve> I've been running Kubuntu 13.04 for a while and recently I've been getting errors while trying to upgrade packages. All packages upgrade except for libwagon2-java. Here is the error message: http://paste.kde.org/732764/. What should I do to fix this?
[14:54] <genii-around> iBelieve: sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/libwagon2-java_2.2-3+nmu1_all.deb
[15:00] <iBelieve> genii-around: Thanks, that worked.
[15:00] <genii-around> iBelieve: You're welcome.
[15:09] <bradlee> lsb_release -a shows I am on quantal but muon full upgrade is ghosted
[15:09] <bradlee> i think I figured it out, it's in the tray
[15:10] <bradlee> system tray
[15:38] <SonikkuAmerica> Kubuntu 13.04 (64-bit) - Apparently GRUB now wants to ignore the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash" in /etc/default/grub. How do we fix this?
[15:40] <SonikkuAmerica> Also, the font color doesn't change in Homerun when I switched to the Oxygen theme.
[15:41] <SonikkuAmerica> One sec...
[15:48] <tyrog> Is it normal to have no plymouth splashcreen with kubuntu 13.04?
[15:48] <tyrog> Besides that, this kubuntu release is masterful xD
[15:49] <genii-around> tyrog: I found for some reason first boot after update/upgrade was just text but subsequent boots seemed to have the splash screen.
[15:49] <imgx64> tyrog: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/1171099
[15:53] <tyrog> genii-around: Not my case. Always text :S . Not that I mind, I like it xD
[15:54] <tyrog> imgx64: so there is no fix atm?
[15:55] <imgx64> tyrog: None that I could find.
[15:56] <tyrog> imgx64: Thats ok. It will eventually be sorted by kubuntu devs, for 13.04 or in the Saucy cycle
[16:12] <Macer> omg
[16:12] <Macer> 13.04 is awful
[16:12] <Macer> my wifi stopped working
[16:12] <Macer> it randomly kernel panics
[16:12] <Macer> mostly everything with networking kernel panics kt
[16:12] <Macer> it
[16:12] <BlaXpirit> D:
[16:13] <Macer> i mean is any qa done on this stuff?
[16:13] <BlaXpirit> everything seems fine on my desktop computer
[16:13] <Macer> tinker with your network settings lol
[16:13] <BlaXpirit> maybe i will wait some time before installing it to my laptop, if you're saying things like this
[16:14] <Macer> i found that an easily reproducable one is
[16:14] <Macer> bt tether
[16:14] <Macer> then disconnect
[16:14] <Macer> kernel panic
[16:14] <Macer> shouldnt have updated
[16:15] <BlaXpirit> my setup is so weird: ssd, /tmp in RAM, tons of packages installed
[16:15] <BlaXpirit> and everything works fine
[16:15] <BlaXpirit> after upgrade
[16:16] <SonikkuAmerica> Kubuntu 13.04 (64-bit) - It seems like GRUB ignores the parameter GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash" inside /etc/default/grub. How do we fix this?
[16:16] <BlaXpirit> during upgrade i got a question
[16:17] <BlaXpirit> which basically asked if i want to leave my old GRUB config file or overwrite it with a new default one
[16:17] <Macer> my wifi wont connect lol
[16:17] <Macer> omg my laptop has turned into garbage
[16:17] <BlaXpirit> so if you chose new default file, then your config may be lost
[16:19] <BlaXpirit> the upgrade changed almost nothing actually
[16:19] <SonikkuAmerica> BlaXpirit: You call KDE SC 4.10.2 "almost nothing" then...
[16:19] <BlaXpirit> bah, i had it anyway
[16:20] <BlaXpirit> no, i think it was 4.10.1
[16:20] <BlaXpirit> big difference :|
[16:20] <BlaXpirit> OK. Homerun is very bad.
[16:21] <BlaXpirit> oh, maybe it's good in its own way
[16:21] <BlaXpirit> but definitely can't replace Kickoff
[16:22] <SonikkuAmerica> BlaXpirit: You can still use Kickoff!
[16:22] <SonikkuAmerica> I <3 Homerun
[16:23] <BlaXpirit> ok so right now I think Homerun is completely transparent, always on top
[16:23] <SonikkuAmerica> BlaXpirit: I'm pretty sure it's 4.10.2
[16:23] <BlaXpirit> so i can't use mouse
[16:23] <BlaXpirit> oh now it closed
[16:23] <BlaXpirit> SonikkuAmerica, yes, 13.10 has 4.10.2
[16:23] <SonikkuAmerica> No, 13.04
[16:23] <BlaXpirit> 13.04 dammit
[16:23] <BlaXpirit> yes
[16:24] <BlaXpirit> but I had 4.10.1 or 4.10.2 in 12.10
[16:24] <SonikkuAmerica> It would've still been 4.10.2 at 13.04 release time if you used the backprts.
[16:24] <SonikkuAmerica> *bakcposrt
[16:24] <SonikkuAmerica> Forget my pitiful pinkies.
[16:25] <SonikkuAmerica> B a c k p o r t s. That's what I meant.
[16:25] <BlaXpirit> and that's what i did...
[16:26] <BlaXpirit> i don't understand how to make Homerun not annoying
[16:26] <BlaXpirit> what's the worst, window special effects  affect it
[16:26] <Torch_> it's a brand new project, isn't it? so no surprise it's buggy still. can't you just remove it?
[16:27] <SonikkuAmerica> BlaXpirit: Hmmm...
[16:27] <Macer> well
[16:27] <SonikkuAmerica> Torch_: I tried to explain that earlier...
[16:27] <BlaXpirit> i mean, the window zooming in animation is not acceptable for a launching panel
[16:27] <BlaXpirit> it's supposed to be instant
[16:27] <Macer> dhcp doesn't work :)
[16:27] <Macer> i managed to connect to wifi manually tho
[16:28] <BlaXpirit> Macer, have you tried using Wicd?  (or how was it called)
[16:28] <BlaXpirit> i had to use Wicd in Kubuntu 11.10, cuz everything was broken there
[16:28] <BlaXpirit> no, it was 11.04  :|
[16:30] <BlaXpirit> so Ubuntu guys have their fullscreen panel instantly appearing when they press Meta
[16:30] <BlaXpirit> Kubuntu guys have it slowly appearing, when they click on some lame icon using mouse
[16:33] <Macer> 12.04 and 12.10 were fine
[16:33] <Macer> they were great actually :)
[16:33] <Macer> 13.04 is a beast
[16:33] <BlaXpirit> 11.10 was great
[16:33] <BlaXpirit> 12.04 not so much
[16:33] <BlaXpirit> then 12.10 great again
[16:34] <BlaXpirit> that's how i remember it
[16:50] <SonikkuAmerica> Kubuntu 13.04 (64-bit) - It seems like GRUB ignores the parameter GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash" inside /etc/default/grub. How do we fix this?
[16:50] <georgelappies> I really need a new machine with very linux friendly hardware
[16:56] <SonikkuAmerica> {ATT 2: 10 minute wait} Kubuntu 13.04 (64-bit) - It seems like GRUB ignores the parameter GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash" inside /etc/default/grub. How do we fix this?
[16:58] <Sir_Brizz> hi, I upgraded to 13.04 from 12.10 and removed my .kde folder. Now my default panel is completely empty except for an activities button. Anyone know what's up?
[17:06] <BlaXpirit> SonikkuAmerica, are you using your old GRUB config (from before the upgrade) or did you reset it to the new default?
[17:08] <BlaXpirit> or was it a fresh install even??
[17:10] <SonikkuAmerica> BlaXpirit: It was fresh
[17:10] <BlaXpirit> ok, SonikkuAmerica, what do you mean it ignores the parameter?
[17:11] <BlaXpirit> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash" is the default setting
[17:11] <BlaXpirit> how can default be "ignored"
[17:11] <SonikkuAmerica> BlaXpirit: Right. I even double-checked it in /etc/default/grub. But every time I boot up, I get a verbose boot - and no splash.
[17:11] <Sir_Brizz> that was stupid
[17:11] <SonikkuAmerica> Sir_Brizz: What was?
[17:11] <Sir_Brizz> my problem
[17:12] <Sir_Brizz> for some reason my KDE creates a custom panel when you remove your settings
[17:12] <SonikkuAmerica> I did [ sudo update-grub ] ... maybe I should reboot
[17:15] <SonikkuAmerica> Apparently the [ sudo update-grub ] fixed it. I like the new one. Has the breathing effect.
[17:22] <Gregor3000> hmmm ok updates messed up the computer again. need help - system taskbar or whatever is called is showing strange time 17:19, while the clock (widget) on desktop is showing 19:19 which is the correct time. if i click to change the time the time to which i should be changing is correctly written 19:19. so i can't do any changes - i.e. there is nothing to change there. if i click disable automatic time it doesn't work. what the hell?
[17:22] <Gregor3000> time was in sync before and it all worked ok.
[17:22] <Gregor3000> 12.04 LTS
[17:25] <georgelappies> Gregor3000: my time also keeps on resetting to two hours earlier???
[17:25] <georgelappies> I am on 13.04
[17:26] <sadandblue> georgelappies: Is your timezone set properly?
[17:28] <Gregor3000> yes time zone is set propperly
[17:30] <Gregor3000> ok now it crashed. i only changed the time server. reporting a bug....
[17:31] <georgelappies> Gregor3000: did you get the error with the '6' at the end?
[17:32] <georgelappies> "Unable to authenticate / execute the action: 6,"
[17:32] <georgelappies> that is error I get when changing time servers
[17:32] <Gregor3000> yes
[17:33] <georgelappies> yeah, I get it as well
[17:33] <sadandblue> georgelappies: Are the time/timezone set correctly on the console?
[17:34] <georgelappies> sadandblue: how would I check that?
[17:34] <sadandblue> georgelappies: Oh - sorry should have said that - "date", will show you the date and time.
[17:34] <sadandblue> "cat /etc/timezone" should show you the timezone
[17:35] <georgelappies> sadandblue: nope it tells me: Fri Apr 26 17:34:39 UTC 2013
[17:35] <georgelappies> gdl@kdebox:~$ cat /etc/timezone
[17:35] <georgelappies> Africa/Johannesburggdl@kdebox:~$
[17:35] <sadandblue> georgelappies: Is that the correct timezone for you?
[17:35] <georgelappies> yeah it is
[17:36] <sadandblue> Hmm weird - you could try the ntpdate command if the plasma widget doesn't work
[17:37] <sadandblue> sudo ntpdate pool.ntp.org
[17:37] <sadandblue> to do that
[17:37] <rsd> Just upgrade to 13.04..  Now plasma-desktop does not start .  It works if I manually run it, bu there is no visible pointer.
[17:38] <rsd> Any clue?
[17:38] <georgelappies> sadandblue: mmm, it gives this back: 26 Apr 17:38:03 ntpdate[2897]: adjust time server 41.216.193.18 offset 0.045732 sec
[17:39] <georgelappies> but I promise you it isn't 17:38 anymore ;)
[17:39] <georgelappies> in Johannesburg atleast
[17:40] <Gregor3000> it's a bug 317833
[17:40] <Gregor3000> but the bug is in KDE now Kubuntu
[17:41] <Gregor3000> not Kubuntu
[17:42] <Gregor3000> though the quesiton is how does this kind of bug get into LTS? it seems many people have this issue.
[17:42] <lordievader> Good evening.
[17:46] <Pici> Gregor3000: pm-utils is not a KDE specific package.
[17:47] <Gregor3000> ah ok. so even more upstream. anyway the KDE bug report is filled with this bug and duplicates
[17:47] <sadandblue> georgelappies: Odd - hmm
[18:08] <georgelappies> this is crazy, every time server (even the ones in South Africa) says the time is 26 Apr 18:07:16 ntpdate[3009]: adjust time server 196.4.160.4 offset -0.020057 sec
[18:09] <georgelappies> atleast google is still sane 8:08 PM Friday, April 26, 2013 (SAST) Time in Johannesburg
[18:10] <Gregor3000> wait pici: as mentioned the bug number is from kde bug tracking not ubuntu
[18:11] <Gregor3000> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=317833
[18:12] <sadandblue> georgelappies: I think NTP only supplies UTC time
[18:12] <sadandblue> Your system does the timezone part
[18:13] <georgelappies> ok, so how would one go ahead to fix this? having the correct time is important :p
[18:14] <OerHeks> georgelappies, with time issues, i always check the bios first, when time is set correct there, most issues are solved.
[18:15] <georgelappies> OerHeks: thanks, will reboot and check that. P.S. your name means "Ancient Witch" in Afrikaans ;) Are you Afrikaans?
[18:16] <OerHeks> No, Dutch.
[18:16] <OerHeks> same timezone :-D
[18:16] <georgelappies> aah our Mother language
[18:16] <georgelappies> Does it have the same meaning in Nederlands?
[18:17] <lordievader> georgelappies: Pretty much ;)
[18:18] <lordievader> Perhaps OerHeks secretly is a witch from the olden days...
[18:18] <Gregor3000> omg their site loads slow...
[18:18] <georgelappies> lol, ok well let me reboot and check the time in the bios
[18:18] <Gregor3000> the Dutch had a large presence in South Afrika. the Boer wars (sp?!) were between dutch speaking lokals and English i believe
[18:20] <OerHeks> True, De Kaap was important for us, to travel to the east
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[18:21] <Gregor3000> to the East Indies... AKA Indonesia
[18:22] <Gregor3000> offtopic - can one boot from external hard disk? is it better to buy external hard disk than USB key?
[18:22] <georgelappies> time in my bios was out by exactly 2 hours, going to see what happens if I run ntp commands now
[18:22] <Gregor3000> usb key 32 GB - 15EUR (in Hofer/Aldi), local online shop has small external USB disks for 50 EUR
[18:23] <Gregor3000> WD and verbatim
[18:23] <Gregor3000> oh USB disk has 500 GB
[18:23] <Gregor3000> is USB stick faster or what?
[18:23] <OerHeks> georgelappies, i still wonder if ntp can handle time adjustment only less than one hour
[18:24] <georgelappies> nope, if I update my time is reset to 18:24
[18:27] <esing> hi
[18:27] <esing> how do i remove a plasmoid relict which was uninstalled but is still on my desktop with the error message that the plasmoid can't be found  (upgrade from 12.10 to 13.04 :: regarding the plasmoid plasma_applet_cwp)
[18:34] <sadandblue> georgelappies: Only other thing I can think to check is that /etc/localtime is the right file
[18:35] <sadandblue> diff -s /etc/localtime /usr/share/zoneinfo/Africa/Johannesburg should do that
[18:36] <jaafar> hello friends.  How goes the upgrade?
[18:37] <jaafar> I am having "invisible emacs" on 13.04.  Never appears once launched from terminal.  Appears to be running, though.
[18:37] <jaafar> Any ideas?
[18:37] <jaafar> also, this color scheme, my God, I can't see anything.  Black on black text.
[19:04] <jaafar> so if anyone sees this same weird invisible emacs thing, try removing emacs, gtk2-engines-oxygen, gtk3-engines-oxygen, then reinstalling emacs
[19:05] <jaafar> strace showed oxygen themes were being read right before hang
[19:05] <jaafar> works for me!
[19:43] <keithzg> Hmm,  nepomuk file indexing is still disabled, even after upgrading to 13.04. I've been waiting for Nepomuk to work for the entirety of the 4.x series so far, heh.
[19:44] <bradlee> I just upgraded to kubuntu 13.04 and now kdm does not start and lightdm unknown job help.
[19:47] <Ashareth> anyone knows how to get rid of that hideous background colors-that-hurt-my-eyes background that is everywhere ? (login/lockscreen/background of the system settings)
[19:47] <Ashareth> i tried changing the login/lockscreen themes
[19:47] <Ashareth> the appearance of pretty much everything can't get rid of THAT HORROR :(
[19:48] <guestBGbjp6> hello from Paraguay!
[19:48] <Ashareth> and pretty much all the things i found about it on the net is for Ubuntu and Unity/Gnome, not KDE :(
[19:48] <genii-around> bradlee: Does apt-cache policy lightdm-kde-greeter     ...show that it it installed?
[19:50] <vitimiti> could somebody help me with making skype work on kubuntu 13.04?
[19:52] <bradlee> genii-around: yes
[19:52] <bradlee> genii-around:thank you
[19:53] <lordievader> vitimiti: What is the problem exactly?
[19:53] <vitimiti> lordievader, vitimiti@vitimiti-K53U:~/.xchat2/xchatlogs$ skype
[19:53] <vitimiti> Violación de segmento (`core' generado)
[19:53] <genii-around> bradlee: Try then: sudo restart lightdm
[19:53] <vitimiti> core generated
[19:54] <bradlee> genii-around: restart: unkown instance
[19:54] <genii-around> bradlee: Try just: sudo start lightdm
[19:55] <genii-around> bradlee: Before the upgrade were you using some p[roprietary video driver like nvidia or fglrx ?
[19:56] <bradlee> genii-around its possible I think it was nvidia-current
[19:59] <lordievader> vitimiti: You might be suffering from bug 1002187
[19:59] <genii-around> bradlee: OK. So then to try:  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install linux-headers-generic dkms linux-source build-essesntial    ( it might complain some are installed already, thats fine).  Then: sudo apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-current
[20:00] <lordievader> vitimiti: Are you using the Nvidia closed source drivers?
[20:00] <vitimiti> lordievader, no, I'm with an ATI-Radeon
[20:00] <bradlee> genii-around: the problem is I have a usb wireless dongle to the network and it was managed by knetworkmanager
[20:01] <bradlee> genii-around: can you help me to get the usb wireless dongle to unmanaged mode?
[20:01] <bradlee> genii-around:from the command line?
[20:01] <genii-around> bradlee: That's a whole other mess. No way to just plug it in with a network cord for the time being to the network?
[20:02] <lordievader> vitimiti: Try the following: LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/mesa/libGL.so.1 skype
[20:02] <vitimiti> lordievader, I'm on it
[20:02] <bradlee> genii-around: there's a problem with my network adapter and I don't know what the problem is...
[20:04] <bradlee> genii-around: I just tried plugging it in...lets see...
[20:04] <vitimiti> lordievader, it will work, with this warning Fontconfig warning: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/50-user.conf", line 9: reading configurations from ~/.fonts.conf is deprecated.
[20:04] <lordievader> vitimiti: Great that it works.. Too bad that this bug wasn't fixed before the release.
[20:05] <vitimiti> lordievader, I'll change the direct access and try, thanks
[20:05] <bradlee> genii-around:after plugging in the eth0 I get a bunch of messages and cannot type on the keyboard...something messed up with the hardware maybe???
[20:06] <bradlee> genii-around: it said forcedeth 0000:00:0a.0: eth0: link up...but...then...
[20:06] <genii-around> bradlee: That is very odd. Are you sure it is a network cord you used and not a telephone cord?
[20:07] <bradlee> genii-around:messages on the screen and cannot type...
[20:07] <blacksad> hello  it is normal dvd-rw do not boot kubuntu 13.04 in asus p5q deluxe ? all other linux boot with dvd-rw not kubuntu i download 3 kubuntu with torrent and try with 3 different dvd-rw ( verbatim sony memorex ), anybody have suggestion ? in order opensuse nutyx frugalware gparted live boot with same dvd-rw ?
[20:07] <bradlee> genii-around: lol
[20:07] <genii-around> bradlee: Can you hit alt-f2 to get a new console?
[20:08] <bradlee> genii-around: I am stuck at the command line console, cannot start gdm...
[20:08] <bradlee> genii-around: I unplugged the ethernet and plugged it back in and I can type now but ifconfig--no ip address.
[20:09] <genii-around> bradlee: Yes, I understood that already. But there is more than one command-line console available usually ( 6 default ones in fact) each accessible by ctrl-f1 through ctrl-f6
[20:10] <bradlee> genii-around:ctrl-f2 does not do anything....arghhhh!
[20:10] <genii-around> So if your first one is locked up you can often still just cycle to a new one and login
[20:10] <bradlee> genii-around:It is not locked...
[20:10] <bradlee> genii-around:I can type now...no problem...
[20:10] <genii-around> bradlee: Sorry, alt, not ctrl   ( need caffeine!)
[20:10] <bradlee> genii-around: ah yes
[20:11] <bradlee> genii-around: I can type now anyways no more locked system, but eth0 no link during initialization
[20:11] <genii-around> bradlee: OK, so then now to try: sudo dhclient eth0
[20:12] <genii-around> Work, back shortly
[20:13] <blacksad> ok solved i need to make ten reset for booting to dvd-rw ( very strange maybe ahci and ide dvd rom problem ) install in progress
[20:16] <bradlee> genii-around:thanks...
[20:19] <bradlee> genii-around:I had to do apt-get install -f
[20:19] <genii-around> bradlee: OK. Any connectivity now on the eth0 ?
[20:25]  * monkeyjuice hands genii-around a cup of coffee and a cookie
[20:25] <genii-around> monkeyjuice: Heh, thanks!
[20:29] <SonikkuAmerica> I know I've done this before; how do we fix that "code 6" date/time error again?
[20:37] <SonikkuAmerica> {ATT 2: 8 minute wait} I know I've done this before; how do we fix that "code 6" date/time error again?
[20:40] <lordievader> !patience | SonikkuAmerica
[20:44] <SonikkuAmerica> lordievader: The guide at Ubuntu's IRC page says 8 minutes is a reasonable amount of time to repeat a question.
[20:44] <SonikkuAmerica> XD
[20:44] <goodtime> lo lordievader
[20:49] <lordievader> SonikkuAmerica: Probably a guide made for #ubuntu ;)
[20:50] <SonikkuAmerica> lordievader: Apparently the #kubuntu mentality is "Ask once and come back in a week if we don't answer for 3 hours" :D
[20:51] <lordievader> SonikkuAmerica: That about sums it up, but actually it's a month :P
[20:51] <Ashareth> SonikkuAmerica: seems so yes
[20:51] <Ashareth> even more it's : ask once and don't come back, no one answer ever anyway
[20:52] <Ashareth> (unless it's a blue moon and you are lucky :/)
[20:52] <lordievader> SonikkuAmerica: Anyhow where did you get this code 6?
[20:53] <SonikkuAmerica> Time and Date, trying to connect to NTP...
[20:54] <SonikkuAmerica> And then, of course, it spits out UTC on all my time pisplays
[20:54] <SonikkuAmerica> *displace
[20:55] <SonikkuAmerica> SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF THE THING THAT APPEARS ON A MONITOR, YOU KNOW? Grrrr....
[20:56] <lordievader> Hmm that is odd, I cannot even enable "Set Date & Time automatically", anyhow when you enable that you get code 6, SonikkuAmerica?
[20:56] <SonikkuAmerica> Code 6 indeed. "Unable to authenticate/execute the action: 6,"
[20:57] <SonikkuAmerica> (What's the stupid comma for anyway?)
[21:03] <lordievader> SonikkuAmerica: Do you get the same error when you run the systemsettings program with sudo rights?
[21:04] <SonikkuAmerica> lordievader: I do.
[21:09] <lordievader> SonikkuAmerica: Hmm, I'm sorry I cannot help you with this, hopefully there is someone else around who can.
[21:11] <genii-around> SonikkuAmerica: Looks like something about it here http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=100641
[21:14] <SonikkuAmerica> OK
[21:27] <SonikkuAmerica> genii-around: That's what I looked at before. All the solutions are for ArchLinux and openSUSE, though.
[21:29] <SonikkuAmerica> But I remember, there was this solution that set some variable to "local"
[21:30] <OerHeks> sounds like same issue as georgelappies 3 hrs back
[21:30] <OerHeks> nos solution then
[21:32] <SonikkuAmerica> OerHeks: I know there's one, but I forgot what it was...
[21:33] <SonikkuAmerica> FOUND IT! /etc/localtime is what needs to change
[21:40] <SonikkuAmerica> However, the ntp problem can be remedied by installing rdate and setting the NTP server that way. (I use time.nist.gov).
[23:36] <bradlee>  what is the kde theme on this webpage:https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaringUpgrades/Kubuntu
[23:45] <tsimpson> bradlee: looks like Oxygeb
[23:45] <tsimpson> *Oxygen