[00:01] <phillw> subman: I can't help on that one.. I'd suggest asking on the lubuntu mailing list.
[00:02] <subman> phillw, thanks for the help!
[00:02] <phillw> if you installed lubuntu ONTO ubuntu, you need to ask on ubuntu area.
[00:02] <subman> Thanks.
[03:08] <SonikkuAmerica> Lubuntu 13.04 VBoxing complete.
[03:25] <phillw> SonikkuAmerica: 13.04 was running in VBox, KVM and LVM :)
[03:26] <SonikkuAmerica> XD. I'm going to set it to the 13.10 preliminary testing as soon as it's available. :)
[12:49] <TheMamboKing> Hello everyone
[14:17] <cristina> !ro
[14:21] <cristina> hello
[14:21] <cristina> any messenger with webcam?
[14:21] <cristina> pidgiin works?
[14:44] <dakine1> hello
[14:45] <dakine1> hi
[15:14] <Atum> Hey guys, I'm having issues on lubuntu 13.04. Everytime I reboot the computer, my desktop icons get all messed up, and the wallpaper gets back to default
[15:14] <holstein> explain "all messed up"
[15:14] <Atum> Am I missing something? any config..
[15:14] <Atum> well, I adjust them in a different order
[15:15] <Atum> everytime I boot up, it gets to the default position
[15:15] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1843824 might be relevant, though,, i might just use something like nitrogen
[15:16] <Atum> Hmm, I'll check it out
[15:16] <Atum> thanks dude :)
[15:16] <holstein> for me, if i wanted to use icons on the desktop like that, i would just not use LXDE..
[16:19] <cristina> hello
[16:19] <cristina> !ro
[16:27] <cerebrate> welcome
[16:27] <cerebrate> TO THE ICE CREAM
[16:29] <Myrtti> ok?
[16:30] <wxl> cerebrate: +1
[16:30] <wxl> fink ployd rulez.
[16:54] <Atum> Hey guys, I'm having issues on Lubuntu 13.04. I've created some desktop icons, and changed their position on the screen. Everytime I boot up those icons get back to their default position. How do I "set" em to a fixed position?
[16:59] <Atum> maybe I should use a script to do it?
[17:00] <holstein> Atum: i would just use a different file manager.. or DE in general
[17:02] <Atum> holstein, LXDE doesnt support those functions?
[17:03] <Atum> or it was not designed for icons?
[17:04] <holstein> Atum: what you are going to want to look for is thunar AFAIK.. getting thunar to draw the icons like that
[17:04] <holstein> Atum: and, what im suggesting is, maybe you would want something that is more "out of the box" the way you want it
[17:06] <holstein> i mean, its all open, so in theory, the answer is always "yes".. but, the goal of lxde in general is to be light.. not necessarily "pretty" or "persistent"
[17:13] <Pkot> Hi!
[17:13] <Pkot> Suomesta ketään?
[17:14] <Pkot> So quietly
[17:15] <Atum> Hmm I'll check thunar
[17:15] <Atum> thanks
[17:15] <holstein> !fi
[17:16] <Atum> So, PCmanFM is resposable for those icon positioning, right?
[17:17] <Atum> Thunar is a file manager like pcmanfm
[17:17] <Myrtti> too late
[17:17] <Myrtti> (for the !fi factoid)
[17:17] <holstein> yup.. missed :/
[17:17] <holstein> yeah, its pcmanfm.. not thunar.. my bad
[17:18] <Atum> oh, ok
[17:18] <holstein> http://blog.lxde.org/?p=804 is relevant
[17:19] <Atum> That's quite useful, thanks
[17:19] <holstein> i would have been quicker with that, but i was thinking thunar for some reason..
[17:23] <Atum> I love this lxde interface, its simple, useful and beautiful. Lubuntu its such a perfect mix..
[17:25] <phillw> holstein: seems "all quiet on the Western front" (i.e. installs and upgrades seem to be working well) :)
[17:26] <holstein> phillw: \o/
[18:21] <fordmechanic27> Has anyone used LXLE? That's what I'm on right now.
[18:22] <Unit193> Hopefully someone in #lxle has at least once. :P
[18:22] <fordmechanic27> Ha, you
[18:22] <fordmechanic27> you'd hope so
[18:47] <pmatulis> so anyone get any bruises from upgrading to 13.04 ?
[18:51] <Unit193> Only done one upgrade so far, but only thing I noticed was that I personally "needed" to hold a couple packages from upgrading, and for some reason it didn't pull in the kernel.  (Though, I use liquorix on that one, so I wouldn't use them anyway and they are easy to pull in.)
[19:25] <wxl> Unit193: needed?
[19:27] <Unit193> I had quotes on that...  In order to keep a feature functioning, and functioning without pulling in crazy depends.  (More than one package.)
[19:28] <wxl> hm, ok i'll take your word for it. i'm just trying to figure out what it might be? was it like a gtk app that went qt? (i have the opposite problem on the kubutnu machine at work; i want qalculator but they stopped qalculator-kde and now it's all qalculator-gtk)
[19:38] <wxl> ahhhh well that makes sense. did we get rid of indicators in raring?
[19:42] <Unit193> You combined channels, didn't you?  They went GTK3 in quantal, which isn't compatible with GTK2 panels.  Also, the raring indicators have silly depends that bring in a couple unity packages I wasn't interested in having on the computer, and bamf, another daemon.
[19:48] <wxl> ew
[21:22] <FrankieJ> hey, i install lubuntu on top of ubuntu 12.04 LTS because compiz/unity was using too much memory, but now i have lubuntu, i was wondering if i can remove compiz/unity without affecting the system?
[21:29] <Unit193> !purelubuntu
[21:30] <genii-around> I wonder if all those factoids are still applicable now ( !purelubuntu !purekde and so on)
[21:32] <Unit193> He hasn't updated it for raring yet, so it would appear.  I'm guessing he'll have it up soonish.
[21:33] <Unit193> FrankieJ: You'll of course want the 12.04 version linked at the top.
[21:33] <Unit193> genii-around: He also changed the URL, but put a redirect.
[21:57] <phillw> !flood
[21:58] <Unit193> Yes?
[22:11] <phillw> Unit193: the bot on ##phillw doesn't have the factiod and I needed the link for image adding :D
[22:25] <plugins> hello!
[22:26] <plugins> i need some help with plugins in browsers
[22:26] <plugins> can i ask to someone?
[22:27] <plugins> please, there's anybody?
[22:27] <wxl> !ask | plugins
[22:29] <plugins> so i have an old pc and today i decided to install lubuntu. first i tried chromium: java plugin was obsolete and flash doesn't work (java -version tell me I have java sun 8).
[22:29] <plugins> so i removed chromium and installed opera.
[22:29] <plugins> now java and flash crash.
[22:30] <plugins> opera see correct plugins (in options, etc.)
[22:30] <plugins> what's the problem?
[22:30] <wxl> which version of lubuntu?
[22:30] <plugins> the latest, 13.04
[22:30] <plugins> can i control with some command?...
[22:32] <wxl> what version of the plugins do you have in chromium? go to chrome://plugins/
[22:32] <wxl> of course you'd need to have chromium
[22:32] <wxl> i wouldn't touch opera with a 10 foot pole, but that's just me
[22:32] <plugins> i have only opera now
[22:32] <wxl> i can't help you with opera
[22:33] <wxl> here's where you can find help with opera: http://my.opera.com/chat/blog/
[22:36] <plugins> i'm installing chromium again
[22:51] <wxl> phillw: i had not
[22:51] <wxl> but really shouldn't have a bearing, unless it's a ppc
[22:51] <wxl> duh duh duh DUH
[22:53] <phillw> wxl: or a low spec intel
[22:53] <wxl> phillw: do they limit java/flash versions
[22:54] <phillw> wxl: xombrero may do.
[22:57] <wxl> phillw: you'd think that xombrero is going to change his plugin versions? :)
[22:58] <phillw> wxl: it comes with none :)
[22:58] <wxl> phillw: exactly my point silly :)
[23:00] <wxl> certainly would be lighter
[23:00] <wxl> but i suspect the issue is plugins more than anything
[23:00]  * wxl wonders
[23:00] <wxl> !info opera
[23:00] <wxl> yeah didn't think so
[23:01] <wxl> :)
[23:02]  * wxl wants the qt version of qalculate
[23:02]  * wxl whines
[23:02] <plugins> hi, i'm back again.
[23:02]  * wxl realizes this is quite offtopic
[23:02] <wxl> oh hai
[23:02] <plugins> i've removed java oracle
[23:02] <wxl> so install iced tea
[23:02] <plugins> and set openjdk with icedtea
[23:03] <plugins> and now java works
[23:03] <plugins> remain shockwave flash
[23:03] <wxl> !info adobe-flashplugin ! plugins
[23:03] <plugins> in english, the error could be something like: "impossible to load shockwave flash"
[23:03] <wxl> gr
[23:03] <wxl> !info adobe-flashplugin | plugins
[23:04] <wxl> really?>???
[23:04] <plugins> ?
[23:04] <phillw> wxl: adobe dropped support, it was well advertised
[23:04] <plugins> eh?
[23:05] <wxl> phillw: oh right but -installer and -downloader and -nonfree are still there?
[23:05] <plugins> yes
[23:05] <plugins> i've installed...
[23:05] <plugins> flashplugin-downloader adn installer
[23:05] <wxl> well you could always get chrome :/ or is that not a possibility either, phillw ?
[23:06] <plugins> in chrome://plugins ->  Adobe Flash Player - Versione: 11.2 r202 Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202
[23:06] <phillw> wxl: Chromium support is a mess. that is why I personally advise a non-ubuntu ppa; on the grounds that it works. BUT, it is not 'supported' by (l)ubuntu.
[23:06] <plugins> it seems to see this plugin
[23:06] <wxl> you could try gnash or lightspark
[23:07] <wxl> or phillw 's solution
[23:07] <wxl> afk
[23:07] <plugins> hum? i'm not so practice. i have to make this pc working for my parents and the only requests is browser everywhere without problems.
[23:08] <plugins> tell me what to do, and i'll do it.
[23:08] <plugins> it's all the day that i'm working and i'm really tired! xD
[23:09] <plugins> i have ubuntu on my laptop, and i have no problems with plugin. (i have opera)
[23:09] <phillw> plugins: I can chat better on #lubuntu-offtopic as my proposed solution requires you to use a ppa which is not officially supported.
[23:09] <plugins> it's a problem of lubuntu, so?
[23:09] <phillw> plugins: it seems an issue with you and chromium
[23:09] <plugins> lol
[23:10] <plugins> so, could you tell me what to do?
[23:10] <plugins> ppa will install a plugin for shockwave?
[23:10] <phillw> plugins: I will be on #lubuntu-offtopic if you want to try it.
[23:12] <phillw> shockwave causes 100% CPU time on my system on bad sites.
[23:13] <plugins> wxl what's the gnash solution?
[23:18] <wxl> plugins: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash#Free_Software_Alternatives
[23:33] <plugins> i'm testing gnash
[23:33] <plugins> and i have some problems.
[23:33] <plugins> the mai frame of facebook games doesn't load.
[23:33] <plugins> why?
[23:44] <plugins> wxl: i have to choose the plugin
[23:44] <plugins> or i have to install them both?
[23:45] <wxl> choose phillw
[23:45] <wxl> oops :)
[23:45] <wxl> plugins: i mean
[23:47] <plugins> ok let's change channel