[07:15] <popey> Good morning!
[07:20] <diplo> Morning all
[07:20] <bittin> top of the morning :>
[07:21] <bittin> listning to Ubuntu-UK Podcast before going to work :)
[07:21] <popey> yay
[07:21] <bittin> should install Ubuntu on my laptop instead of Windows 8 when i stop being lazy aswell as the wificard works now with 13.04
[07:21] <bittin> :p
[07:26] <popey> Yes, yes you should.
[07:27] <bittin> but i think i should save for a bigger SSD or macbook but i promised myself, to save all my money to go to US to meet one person i like :p
[07:27] <bittin> but well an 80GB SSD is okay in a laptop
[07:27] <bittin> should install Ubuntu on it when i stop being lazy and change Unity to Openbox or something proper :p
[07:28] <bittin> ah well have to go to work
[07:49] <brobostigon> good morning eveyrone,
[07:55] <MooDoo> morning
[07:56] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[07:56] <MooDoo> :)
[07:58] <brobostigon> :)
[07:59] <brobostigon> just found something interesting, arduinodroid, an arduino ide for android, just playing about with it.
[08:22] <MooDoo> how was the party last night?
[08:22] <brobostigon> not a clue.
[08:26] <NET||abuse> morning folks,,,
[08:26] <MooDoo> morning
[08:26] <NET||abuse> party was alright, we were outside on the decking and the weather was lovely.. so that was nice
[08:26] <MooDoo> lovely :)
[08:27] <NET||abuse> i got nicely sloshed and spouted alot of rubbish, so a success in my book :)
[08:29] <popey> haha ☻
[08:29] <popey> excellent, a typical release party
[08:30] <popey> I recall one of the first ones I went to, I was helping someone with their laptop. Mark Shuttleworth arrived, walked over and said "Hi, I'm Mark". I was like "DUUUUH I know who you are!" (in my head)
[08:30] <NET||abuse> :P hehe
[08:30] <NET||abuse> starstruck much :)
[08:30] <popey> yeah ☻
[08:30] <NET||abuse> yeh, no sign of him this time that's for sure
[08:30] <Laney> ahoy
[08:31] <NET||abuse> there wasn't really a tech help session and i didn't see anyone installing, mostly just chatting and boozing
[08:31] <popey> yeah, he's busy flying around the world marketing ubuntu to everyone ☻
[08:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning
[08:34] <popey> pip pip
[08:34] <popey> looking forward to beerex
[08:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> :-D
[08:34] <popey> my mate dave is coming too, and hugo
[08:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farnham_Beer_Exhibition
[08:36] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Hangover Day! >:-D
[08:37] <BigRedS> NET||abuse: well, there's less and less call for installfests these days. It tends to all just work...
[08:38]  * JamesTait turned into a babbling idiot fanboi upon (literally) bumping into Mark in Budapest.
[08:38] <JamesTait> Most embarassing.
[08:40] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:40] <popey> yo
[08:42] <MooDoo> JamesTait: did you tell him what day it was
[08:42] <JamesTait> MooDoo, nope. I opened with "Ooops, sorry!"
[08:43] <JamesTait> Before realising who he was, then proceeding to tell him why he's a massive celebrity in our house.
[08:43] <JamesTait> And finally getting a photo.
[08:43] <Laney> haha
[08:44] <JamesTait> He was very cool about the whole thing.  I think he was embarassed for me. :)
[08:44] <popey> ☻
[08:45] <popey> was that at a UDS?
[08:45] <JamesTait> It was.  I think I made a better impression at the Canonical All Stars gig on the Friday night.
[08:45] <Daviey> popey: I assume you mean this party, http://bootie.daviey.com/~dave/release_party.JPG ?
[08:46] <MooDoo> JamesTait: i'm sure people would be the same with meeting popey or czajkowski or Daviey or davmor2 they are celebs in my house :)
[08:46] <brobostigon> nice url. bootie.daviey.com :)
[08:46]  * JamesTait has a bag autographed by popey and Daviey. ;)
[08:46] <AlanBell> evil looking face on popey in that
[08:47] <JamesTait> As well as Laura, Tony and Ciemon, and Dan and Fab from Linux Outlaws.
[08:47] <Daviey> popey: what were you doing to Mark's behind?
[08:47] <MooDoo> JamesTait: yup and AlanBell and TheOpenSourcerer
[08:55] <Daviey> AlanBell: there used to be a page on the wiki that had some more photos.  Particularly of the 2008 release party.  Do you know where it went?
[08:57] <Daviey> damn, it was Adam Bagnalls photos - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/Gallery/HardyReleaseParty2008?action=recall&rev=2
[08:58] <popey> yes Daviey !
[08:59] <MooDoo> what about this one daviey it's you! - http://www.flickr.com/photos/secretlondon/2439356023/in/photostream/
[08:59] <Daviey> popey: Happen to know what happened?  He asked ubuntu-uk.org to mirror it
[08:59] <popey> nope
[08:59] <MooDoo> and the ubuntu cake  - http://www.flickr.com/photos/secretlondon/2440148340/
[08:59] <nigelb> oh wow. Daviey without a beard.
[08:59] <nigelb> I didn't know such a thing happened.
[08:59] <Daviey> erk
[08:59] <Daviey> I actually did shave it off last month :)
[08:59] <nigelb> wow
[09:00] <nigelb> Also, I might be in UK in July.
[09:00] <nigelb> We should try to met this time.
[09:00] <SuperMat1> ahoy
[09:02] <Daviey> nigelb: sounds good
[09:03] <Daviey> popey: looks like they were lost last year.. :(
[09:03] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:03] <bigcalm> Are we all sober after the release parties?
[09:04] <SuperMatt> yes yes
[09:04] <SuperMatt> I had mcdonalds breakfast
[09:04] <BigRedS> ish
[09:04] <SuperMatt> everything is now fixed
[09:04] <popey> Daviey: eh?
[09:04] <BigRedS> Liam got me very drunk again :/
[09:04] <popey> oh, they're on the box?
[09:04] <SuperMatt> /o\
[09:05] <bigcalm> I'm just back from the post office having had my passport renewal application checked. Glad I did as it failed due to my counter signatory making mistakes :(
[09:06] <popey> Daviey: not on my backups ☹
[09:06] <directhex> bigcalm, need to get an application done for the baby
[09:07] <bigcalm> directhex: I don't have a baby
[09:08] <directhex> bigcalm, well, i do. getting him to pose for a passport photo will be tricky
[09:08] <bigcalm> :D
[09:10] <nigelb> directhex: I still don't believe your passport has weather patterns oon it.
[09:10] <AlanBell> software updater is kinda nice now
[09:10] <directhex> nigelb, you saw the photo!
[09:10] <nigelb> directhex: I did!
[09:10] <bigcalm> I'm not sure about the new icons
[09:11] <bigcalm> And I'm struggling to get ATI drivers for the laptop - again
[09:11] <nigelb> meh, still on precise.
[09:11] <directhex> i just bought a geforce...
[09:11] <bigcalm> All future laptops will be geforce powered. ATI is nothing but trouble
[09:12] <directhex> nigelb, overcast on page 5-6,9-10, cloudy on page 7-8, rainy on page 11-12
[09:12] <Daviey> popey: it looks like it was removed from ubuntu-uk.org when we switched to WP site
[09:12] <JamesTait> Hm, interesting... it's sunny and hailing.
[09:12] <directhex> that's page 23-24
[09:13] <Daviey> popey: /srv/old.ubuntu-uk.org/www is now a dangling symling to /var/www/ubuntu-uk.org
[09:13] <popey> Daviey: yeah, bummer, sorry.
[09:13] <nigelb> directhex: Haha.
[09:13] <Daviey> popey: Don't know who it was, sorry, wasn't blaming you
[09:13] <Daviey> I just emailed Adam, to see if he still has them
[09:14] <Daviey> Would be a shame to lose critical artifacts :)
[09:14] <popey> it probably was me tbh
[09:18] <Laney> bah, no milk
[09:18]  * Laney grimaces at the thought of black tea
[09:19] <bigcalm> Laney: have a fruit tea or black coffee
[09:20] <Laney> bigcalm: I already made a pot :(
[09:20] <bigcalm> Doh
[09:20] <Laney> ho hum
[09:21] <directhex> moo juice!
[09:21] <directhex> do you live on or near a farm...?
[09:22] <Laney> i live quite firmly inside a city
[09:23] <Laney> not aware of any farms for several miles
[09:23] <directhex> how about urban cows?
[09:23] <Laney> do deer produce milk? there's deer in the park up the road
[09:23] <directhex> you hear urban farming is a thing, there must be urban cows
[09:23] <Myrtti> we've got about ten liters of UHT whole milk in our emergency cupboard :-P
[09:23] <Myrtti> (mainly used for making yoghurt)
[09:23] <directhex> UHT is not a job for the emergency cupboard. UHT is for use in the fallout shelter when you run out of fresh rat milk
[09:25] <Myrtti> well for it's main purpose in our household it works fine
[09:26] <Myrtti> (its)
[09:26] <Myrtti> I recon it's better to buy organic British UHT whole milk than to buy some New Zealand powdered milk with witch craft in it
[09:27] <Myrtti> (ie. use some old yoghurt as a culture and mix it in the UHT milk rather than using Easy-Yo packs and water)
[09:47] <popey> http://www.polygon.com/2013/4/25/4267978/left-4-dead-2-for-linux-public-beta-releasing-next-week
[09:48] <directhex> note: this is left 4 dead 2 beta, not left 4 dead 2. you cannot play with left 4 dead 2 players, only left 4 dead 2 beta players
[09:48] <directhex> much like tf2
[10:17] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:19] <SuperMatt> hey hey
[10:19] <davmor2> MooDoo: Celebs are we now, hmmm
[10:19] <davmor2> </best yoda impression>
[10:28] <MooDoo> davmor2: yes you are to me any way.....
[10:28] <MooDoo> davmor2: just take the compliment you :)
[10:29] <davmor2> MooDoo: hahaha Morning dude :)
[10:29] <MooDoo> morning :)
[10:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: What time are we meeting this evening and where?
[10:35] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: will get a train from Ash vale I think.. need to chase Dave
[10:43] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: hmm, i have 5 tickets, are 3 of them yours?
[10:43] <popey> you, AlanBell and A.N.Other?
[10:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> Don't think so.
[10:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> Not us.
[10:43] <popey> hm
[10:44] <popey> i may have a spare ticket then
[10:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> Is filace coming?
[10:44] <popey> yes
[10:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> what about cz<tab> then?
[10:44] <popey> dont fink so
[10:44] <czajkowski> I may pop down
[10:53] <Dave2> Too many Daves
[10:54] <davmor2> Dave2: you seem to be insinuating that, that is a bad thing
[10:55] <popey> be good to see you czajkowski
[10:55] <popey> would be nice if I could stay a bit sober
[10:55] <czajkowski> popey: shall we have a curry :)
[10:56]  * czajkowski wont bring pringles ;)
[10:56] <popey> ohh
[10:56] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: is there a plan to curry?
[10:56] <MooDoo> this sounds like a good evening ahead :)
[10:56] <popey> an alternative release party
[10:56] <MooDoo> :)
[10:56] <popey> Release Party II: I know what you did last night.
[10:57] <MooDoo> ha hahahaha
[10:57] <MooDoo> any extreame ironing popey ?
[10:57] <popey> I do hope not
[10:57] <MooDoo> lol
[10:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> Nom Nom, curry.
[10:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: I do nt have a plan but that sounds like a good one :-)
[10:58] <shauno> heh, that's an awkward default.  VM with 2gb disk, 1gb ram.  installer creates 1gb filesystem and 1gb swap.  so I've got roughly 250MB disk left out of the box
[10:58] <popey> useful
[10:59] <MooDoo> shauno: that's plenty enough space for minecraft, what's the issue?
[10:59] <MooDoo> ;)
[11:00] <shauno> hah, my world dir is 700MB
[11:00] <MooDoo> ouch lol
[11:01]  * popey wonders how big the home server one is
[11:01] <shauno> it shouldn't actually be an issue, the application gets mounted from a second disk.  it just feels a bit like ryanair.  technically enough space for 2 legs, but only on paper
[11:57] <mungbean> raid array suddendly thinks 4 disks are dead :(
[11:57] <mungbean> not sure who to believe
[13:07] <knightwise> hey everyone :)
[13:07] <knightwise> just downloading 13.04 , can"t wait to give it a spin on my Lenovo x212
[13:07] <redtape> hi .. there ...
[13:08] <brobostigon> afternoonings knightwise
[13:10] <knightwise> hey brobostigon how are ya
[13:10] <brobostigon> knightwise: overall pretty good today, and you?
[13:11] <knightwise> looong boring meetings today
[13:11] <brobostigon> :(
[13:13] <knightwise> bwa , its ok , mostly hiding behind my screen while doing  some IRC and downloading the 3 new ISO's :p
[13:13] <knightwise> and yell something intelligent once in a while
[13:14] <MooDoo> i installed 13.04 last night, nothing special, just worked as usual :D
[13:14] <knightwise> I'm thinking of doing a dist upgrade on my PROBOOK 6560b
[13:14] <brobostigon> knightwise: :)
[13:18] <knightwise> there you go .. all three ISO's going tot da Usb Stick :)
[13:20] <brobostigon> :)
[13:56] <celesteh> hello, I have a computer with a touchscreen and what I want to do is plug it into a project and mirror the display, so my main screen gets resized/letterboxed, but be able to keep using the stylus. So the calibration numbers for the stylus would adjust to the new screen geometry.  I have tried googling, but I don't know what terms to search for.
[14:40] <dwatkins> celesteh: what kind of computer is it?
[14:43] <andylock1an> hey guys
[14:44] <dwatkins> allo andylock1an
[14:44] <andylock1an> can anyone sort me out some help with an apache reverse proxy - I've forgotten how to get the page to return the URLs with the folder path's rewritten
[14:45] <andylock1an> http://dpaste.com/1074499/
[14:46] <andylockran> heya dwa
[14:46] <andylockran> heya dwatkins
[14:48] <mgdm> andylockran: ProxyPassReverse?
[14:48] <mgdm> andylockran: he says, without clicking the link
[14:54] <celesteh> dwatkins: a lenovo x220 tablet running ubuntu studio 13.04
[15:01] <dwatkins> celesteh: it should have fn keys you can use to switch display modes, although I have no idea if they're implemented in Raring; you might need to manually select the display option to mirror it.
[15:01] <dwatkins> ...assuming Raring picks up the secondary screen, of course.
[15:05] <celesteh> The problem I'm having is that if the screen resolution changes, say because of mirroring, the callibration for the touch screen does not compensate for this
[15:05] <celesteh> So the place where i'm touching the screen is not where the arrow is appearing
[15:06] <popey> celesteh: do you know what make of touch device it is?
[15:06] <popey> is it a wacom one?
[15:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: What's the plan dude?
[15:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> Cobbett at 6?
[15:11] <celesteh> popey: it's treated as a wacom by ubuntu, but i think this is not the actual make. there's some firmaware update i'm supposed to install which will effect how ubuntu sees it
[15:13] <andylockran> mgdm: I tell ye, running a reverse proxy is turning out to be miles harder than I'd have thought
[15:22] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: I should be on the train arriving at 17:25
[15:22] <popey> so will walk down to town, and should be at the cobbet before 6
[15:23] <mgdm> andylockran: apache isn't all that good at it
[15:24] <popey> celesteh: there's a wacom-tools package I think which has a tool you can use to recalibrate
[15:24] <popey> xsetwacom is the command
[15:25] <popey> you can use that to set the orientation, and resolution and such
[15:26] <celesteh> cheers
[15:26] <czajkowski> popey: when I come outta the train station where do I head to ?
[15:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: Grand/Champion. Will see thee there then.
[15:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> Or I might wait for you at the station ;-)
[15:28] <popey> czajkowski: william cobbet pub
[15:28] <celesteh> I'm not finding these tools in the ubntu software centre thing.  ...  I should also mention I'm using gnome
[15:28] <popey> or just ping me, or look me up on latitude
[15:28] <popey> !info wacom-tools
[15:28] <popey> bah
[15:28] <czajkowski> popey: cheers
[15:29] <popey> celesteh: i dont know what the package name is these days, sorry. and i need to go away from keyboard to catch a train
[15:31] <czajkowski> choooo chooo
[15:32] <ahayzen> popey, xserver-xorg-input-wacom - X.Org X server -- Wacom input driver?
[15:32] <andylockran> mgdm: would you reckon nginx would be better?
[15:33] <celesteh> Ok, thanks for your help. Have a good train trip
[15:33] <mgdm> andylockran: possibly - the only one I have real experience with is Varnish
[15:33] <mgdm> andylockran: but I've at least played with nginx doing that
[15:39] <bigcalm> 7.5MB/s to leech Solid Steel podcasts. This still amuses me
[15:41] <popey> → beer
[15:41] <popey> ttfn
[15:42] <SuperMatt> have fun
[15:45] <bigcalm> 1h15m remaining to the week
[15:45] <bigcalm> Don't think I'm going to get everything done. Looks like another working weekend.
[15:46] <bigcalm> Do I care too much about the job?
[15:46] <SuperMatt> only 45 left in my week
[15:46] <bigcalm> Slacker :P
[15:46] <SuperMatt> tonight shall mostly be comprised of sleeping
[15:46] <SuperMatt> you really have no idea what goes on here at work
[15:46] <bigcalm> Slacking? ;)
[15:47] <SuperMatt> mostly https://twitter.com/sprmtt/status/325266486224642049
[15:47] <bigcalm> :O
[15:47] <SuperMatt> admittedly that was last friday
[15:47] <SuperMatt> we didn't have the live music this week
[15:47] <MooDoo> later popey et all who's going tonight
[15:48] <SuperMatt> oh, and in 13 minutes the bar opens
[15:48] <bigcalm> Lass next to the pillar looks as though she is begrudgingly  sitting through the performance
[15:48] <bigcalm> You have a bar at work?
[15:48] <MooDoo> she asleep lol
[15:49] <SuperMatt> yes. yes we do
[15:50] <SuperMatt> just bad timing on the photo probably
[15:50] <brobostigon> just found a good name for an app that exists on android, "pubdar". :)
[15:54] <SuperMatt> can't decide if I wanna stay at work for a beer, or just head off home and sleep
[15:55] <bigcalm> Free beer?
[15:55] <SuperMatt> not free, no
[15:55] <SuperMatt> that was last night
[15:55] <bigcalm> Decent ales?
[15:55] <SuperMatt> alas no
[15:55] <SuperMatt> nothing on tap
[15:56] <bigcalm> Go home to sleep
[15:56] <SuperMatt> hah
[15:57] <MooDoo> nothing on tap....pah rubbish
[15:57] <SuperMatt> it's not a huge bar
[15:57] <SuperMatt> it's just... a bar
[15:57] <SuperMatt> ... in our office
[15:57] <MooDoo> what a metal bar
[15:57] <MooDoo> ?
[16:00] <SuperMatt> http://www.ahhhhh.com/
[16:00] <SuperMatt> MooDoo: it's a bar, as in alvohol
[16:01] <SuperMatt> *alcohol
[16:04] <bigcalm> SuperMatt: I thought that was going to be a link to your place of work and its bar
[16:07] <SuperMatt> http://www.dezeen.com/2008/09/01/engine-offices-by-jump-studios/ this is it
[16:07] <SuperMatt> or least some of the pictures are
[16:09]  * TheOpenSourcerer tidies up desk and heads to the train to meet popey (or just go straight to the pub).
[16:39]  * AlanBell heads to the pub
[16:42] <brobostigon> :D
[16:44] <ideas-hub> right can you guys help
[16:45] <ideas-hub> im trying to connect spring lobby using a LAN Network
[16:46]  * brobostigon googles spring lobby, as he has no clue what it is.
[16:47] <ali1234> spring is a game
[16:47] <ali1234> spring lobby is where you make game match ups
[16:47] <brobostigon> ah,
[16:48] <ideas-hub> yea
[16:48] <ideas-hub> i know
[16:48] <ideas-hub> i wanna know how to connect to localhost
[16:49] <ideas-hub> so i can host a LAN Network game
[16:50] <ideas-hub> without the internet
[16:51] <ideas-hub> right so you dont know then
[16:52] <ideas-hub> ......... great
[16:53] <brobostigon> ideas-hub: have you tried there irc channel, here on freenode?
[16:53] <brobostigon> their*
[16:53] <ideas-hub> i dont know what it is
[16:54] <brobostigon> it says on their site #springlobby
[16:54] <brobostigon> springlobby.info then to contact at the bottom of the page.
[16:57] <MartijnVdS> Why does the update-manager icon look like an "A" now?
[16:57] <MartijnVdS> The icon (with its green background) looks like some web site opened up something evil
[16:57] <directhex> very mac-like isn't it
[16:57] <MartijnVdS> directhex: "A" for Ubuntu Apdates?
[16:58] <dwatkins> Aptsnacks
[16:58] <Laney> Awesome software in here
[16:59] <MartijnVdS> the green background is suspicious as well
[16:59] <MartijnVdS> it looks like a poker chip
[16:59] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: somewhat ironically, your nick is green in my IRC client.
[17:00] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: hmm :)
[17:00] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: do I look suspicious too?
[17:00] <dwatkins> unless you mention me by name, then it's yellow.
[17:00] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: no, you look Dutch.
[17:00] <dwatkins> I imagine you're busy riding 14-fot tall bicycles in your offline time
[17:00] <dwatkins> *foot
[17:01] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ
[17:01] <dwatkins> ttha to you too ;)
[17:01] <dwatkins> ah, you disapprove
[17:02] <MartijnVdS> We're getting a king in a few days...
[17:02] <MartijnVdS> William IV
[17:02] <dwatkins> congratulations
[17:02] <MartijnVdS> or whatever he'll call himself :)
[17:03] <dwatkins> We've had a queen for so long, she's practically immortal.
[17:03] <MartijnVdS> William IV would be confusing if "your" William became king ;)
[17:03] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: We've had 3 queens in a row, since 1890
[17:03] <MartijnVdS> 3 queens and one "queen-regent"
[17:04] <dwatkins> What's the difference between a queen and a queen-regent, aside from 7 characters?
[17:04] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: the king died while his daughter was 10
[17:05] <dwatkins> oh dear :(
[17:05] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: so his wife (the queen, but not "by family" but "by marriage") took over for 8 years
[17:05] <MartijnVdS> 1890-1898
[17:06]  * dwatkins sighs
[17:06] <dwatkins> I wish I didn't have to deal with random people sometimes
[17:06] <dwatkins> Freecycle tends to bring out the people who don't use e-mail much
[17:07] <MartijnVdS> heh, I know the type
[17:07] <dwatkins> I got three consecutive replies asking the same thing but with a longer sentence each time
[17:31] <redtape> OT | oooh .. Looks like Winston not Maggie will get the new £5 note -age ... ::: http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/new-5-pound-note-to-feature-winston-churchill-portrait-102225247.html
[17:31] <redtape> [reposted]
[18:05] <redtape> popey, not sure it was you, however: someone mentioned about "Things todo after installing 13.04 "  .. | I found this article :::  http://itsfoss.com/things-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu-13-04/
[19:06] <redtape> I take it everyone is getting drunk ??
[19:08] <ali1234> sure, why not
[19:09] <diddledan> drunk? on a friday? the day after a big push? you must be mad
[19:09] <diddledan> need to be sober in the morning to do the weekly shopping :-p
[19:10] <redtape> diddledan: You and half of the working populus !
[19:10] <ali1234> cheers
[19:10] <redtape> salute !
[19:11] <diddledan> prost
[19:11] <diddledan> chinchin?
[19:11] <diddledan> :-p
[19:11] <redtape> i thnk that's italian, but it's along time since I spoke lasagne ^_^
[19:11] <diddledan> german
[19:11] <diddledan> or so my German friend tells me
[19:11] <redtape> ok . goodstuff.
[19:12] <diddledan> he might be deluding me
[19:12] <diddledan> wouldn't be the first time ;-)
[19:12] <redtape> Did you see Jono asking for weed on his weekly QnA on youtube ?
[19:12] <diddledan> lol, no?
[19:13] <redtape> i think its planetubuntu .. or ubuntu on air .. last one i saw anyways..
[20:19] <ali1234> http://pastebin.com/93TsirGC any ideas?
[20:27] <mungbean> http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/13/04/26/1619230/5-sensor-turns-lcd-monitors-into-touchscreens?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=twitter
[20:29] <mungbean> not really touchscreen, typical slashdot. understands a few gestures
[20:29] <mungbean> better getting a leap thingy
[20:31] <ali1234> how do you benchmark php/mysql code?
[20:39] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: using rm -rf
[20:39] <diddledan> which one was that the answer to, or was it for both? :-p
[20:41] <diddledan> oh facebook, why must you be so conflicted over whether I'm gay or whether I need a gf? latest advert "meet submissive women now"
[20:42] <diddledan> I really should unsubscribe
[20:42] <mungbean> i get the ripped abs inline ads
[20:42] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: you can close your account :)
[20:42] <MartijnVdS> or use an ad blocker
[20:42] <mungbean> inline ads on the phone ;(
[20:43] <MartijnVdS> I removed facebook from my phone.. it ate my battery
[20:43] <mungbean> disable push?
[20:44] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: nah, I like it better like this
[20:44] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: I use(d) FB too much anyway
[20:44] <mungbean> my close family of first cousins, uncles, nephews etc number around 100
[20:45] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: the website works fine :)
[20:45] <mungbean> fb is excellent place to put baby pics etc
[20:46] <mungbean> getting asked for help on setting up website, should i direct them to a person, or a website that helps this stuff?
[20:46] <mungbean> don'twanna get saddled with it
[20:46] <MartijnVdS> probably, yes
[20:46] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: do they want a blog? blogger or tumblr
[20:46] <mungbean> i don't even wanna ask
[20:47] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: Tell them your consulting rate ;)
[20:47] <diddledan> see, the problem is the critical mass phenomena - I stay on facebook because all my friends and family are on facebook. they stay on facebook because they're nieve and won't change now they're established; and besides all _their_ friends are on facebook.. ad infinitum
[20:47] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: £100/hr, £75 because you know them so wel
[20:47] <MartijnVdS> l
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: the only reason I haven't closed my account is that there are some people I only talk to using FB
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: and I don't want to NOT talk to them :)
[20:49] <diddledan> I don't actually have any idea as to the going rate for things like web consultancy. despite working along exactly those lines. the costing is up to my bosses, I just take my paycheque
[20:49] <diddledan> MartijnVdS, I know what you mean
[20:50] <diddledan> (take my cheque and do all the meaningful work :-p)
[20:50] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: £75-100/hr sounds nice though, right?
[20:50] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: (family rates)
[20:50] <diddledan> yes it does :-p
[20:52] <shauno> if you can get the hours, anyway.  I did a gig on $60/hr for a while.  it sounds great, until you find yourself sitting at home praying for something to break this week
[20:53] <diddledan> lol @ email I just got from hantslug: "One final note (and it's quite important), we have no Vodafone coverage on [southampton uni] campus at the moment, due to this blasted peregrine falcon up their mast, and therefore they can't fix it... (It broke)"
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> haha :)
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> ewps
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> I wonder what coverage will be like in Cornwall
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> probably 2G all the way.. 64kbit if I'm lucky
[20:53] <diddledan> ouch
[20:54] <diddledan> no fibre either, I guess
[20:54] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: I'm just visiting, for about a week, next month
[20:54] <diddledan> need to buy some weetabix
[20:54] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: so wired internet is probably out :)
[20:54] <diddledan> aah
[20:54] <diddledan> thank god for that - I had palpatations thinking about it
[20:55] <MartijnVdS> it's only a week
[20:55] <mungbean> weetabix? constipated/
[20:56] <diddledan> no fibre in cornwall = need to buy weetabix
[20:56] <MartijnVdS> ah
[20:56] <diddledan> sorry, my mind works weirdly
[20:57] <shauno> ain't that the truth
[20:57] <diddledan> shush you
[20:57] <MartijnVdS> 8-)
[20:57] <diddledan> :-p
[20:58] <MartijnVdS> Anyway.. I'm going to drive all the way from Harwich
[20:58] <MartijnVdS> Long drive is long.
[21:00] <diddledan> wave as you go past Basingstoke, and I'll wave back :-D
[21:00] <MartijnVdS> :)
[21:01] <MartijnVdS> I hope the weather stays/becomes great, so I can take pics like this one:
[21:01] <MartijnVdS> http://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks/8669835786/in/photostream
[21:02] <mungbean> i like the churchill £5 notes
[21:02] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: haven't seen them yet?
[21:02] <diddledan> good weather? in Britain? you're kidding, right?!
[21:03] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: I'm from the Netherlands, don't think I don't know weather ;)
[21:03] <diddledan> lol
[21:03] <shauno> cornwall isn't really in the UK as far as weather goes.  it's its own little world
[21:03] <diddledan> shauno, so's Basingstoke, to be fair
[21:03] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: just one perpetual rain cloud? :)
[21:04] <mungbean> my new tshirt is shipped \p/
[21:04] <diddledan> we actaully had some sunshine today
[21:04] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: lies!
[21:04] <diddledan> I was so shocked I had to open the window
[21:04] <mungbean> bears some resemblance to beefy miracle http://shirt.woot.com/offers/by-your-powers-combined
[21:04] <redtape> Marti
[21:04] <redtape> soz
[21:04] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: http://dftba.com/product/15x/Ceci-nest-pas-un-Corndog-Shirt
[21:05] <redtape> MartijnVdS: Has anyone got a site on the impending doom of the next big flood in Holland ?
[21:05]  * redtape loves doom etc ..
[21:06] <diddledan> doom is sooo passe
[21:06] <MartijnVdS> Quake is where it's at?
[21:06] <diddledan> or it will be afterwards
[21:07] <diddledan> nexuiz?
[21:07] <shauno> according to my extensive armchair research, doom mostly occurs in NYC, we're pretty much safe/boring
[21:07] <redtape> MartijnVdS: I was talking about the flodds ..
[21:07] <redtape> **floods...
[21:07] <MartijnVdS> redtape: we have more earthquakes than floods these days
[21:07] <diddledan> shauno, boston tried
[21:07] <diddledan> oh dear
[21:07] <diddledan> I went there
[21:07] <diddledan> too soon?
[21:07] <redtape> Whatever .. I mean when the dykes are breached etc ..
[21:07] <MartijnVdS> redtape: with the natural gas drilling and everything
[21:08] <redtape> is there a websites for that ?
[21:08] <MartijnVdS> redtape: not that I know.. but I haven't looked
[21:08] <redtape> crumbs .. ignorance is bliss..
[21:08] <MartijnVdS> redtape: nah, my house is above sea level
[21:08] <MartijnVdS> = care level :P
[21:09] <redtape> Sounds like you.
[21:10] <diddledan> I'm resisting a dyke joke.
[21:10] <shauno> I'm wondering if his precious fibre is all above sea level :p
[21:10] <redtape> i think robbin williams had the best thou..
[21:10] <MartijnVdS> shauno: most of it is :)
[21:11] <redtape> I dont think petrol cars will beat electric cars for popularity in 2020 thou .. [que the flamewar ...]
[21:11] <MartijnVdS> redtape: meh
[21:11] <redtape> hahahaha
[21:11] <diddledan> I think pizza is needed
[21:12] <redtape> i'm cooking one now actually
[21:12] <redtape> chicago town ...
[21:12] <shauno> uff.  I've been trawling for sound dampening material for cars without getting drowned in sites full of car fanatics.
[21:12] <shauno> (I don't need it for a car, but it made sense in my head)
[21:13] <redtape> egg cup boxes ?
[21:13] <diddledan> madonna's bra looks just like the material nassa uses
[21:13] <redtape> who's nassa ?
[21:13] <diddledan> probably cheaper, too
[21:13] <diddledan> erm.. nasa**
[21:14] <shauno> I'm trying to quieten an espresso machine far enough that it doesn't wake people up at 5am.  egg cartons won't go far in that little space, and won't last long at those temps
[21:14] <redtape> oh , thought you meant the egyptian , then.
[21:14] <diddledan> shauno, you totally need bras
[21:14] <mungbean> has a dilemma
[21:15] <mungbean> am the victim of bully boss at work
[21:15] <mungbean> hr done nothing
[21:15] <mungbean> :(
[21:15] <redtape> diddledan: Are you calling shauno fat ?
[21:15] <diddledan> lol
[21:15] <mungbean> what other channels are there when hr don't help?
[21:15] <diddledan> nono.. pointy-madonna-bra = the material that nasa uses for soundproofing
[21:16] <redtape> mm .. SuperMacs in Galway should be packed now ...
[21:16] <diddledan> but.. shauno you're fat :-p
[21:16] <shauno> mungbean, industrial tribunal if it can't be handled in-house, usually
[21:16] <diddledan> or should that be "phat"? I don't understand teentxtspk
[21:17] <shauno> supermacs is disturbing.  they actually do a pretty decent fish'n'chips, you just don't want to be seen going in there
[21:17] <redtape> mungbean: have you tried using an Olympus and actually getting some evidence ?
[21:19] <redtape> shauno: There are locals who mutter under their breath when I go there with a netbook .... that decree "It's not an internet Cafe !!"
[21:20] <redtape> Funny, any chance ppl get to say "NO" in a public place in IRL , they will.
[21:21] <redtape> pizza#'s ready..
[21:22] <shauno> complaining is a national sport here
[21:22] <dwatkins> so is queueing
[21:22] <ali1234> NO
[21:23] <shauno> queuing not so much, galway's too multicultural for traits like that to survive :/
[21:23] <shauno> I dread using the busses when miniature people are allowed outside
[21:24] <shauno> I gotta admit though, I'm getting just as bad as the locals.  this weather is getting me down.  I'll take any change I get to gripe about it.  and I grew up in scotland!
[21:24] <redtape> miniature people ??
[21:24] <diddledan> you have an abundance of little people over there?
[21:24] <diddledan> I know you like your midgets, but still
[21:25] <shauno> we do!  they keep them in prison camps until 3pm, and then unleash them all upon the public transport system.  it's pretty evil, because given a chance, I don't wake up until 2pm
[21:25] <dwatkins> in Vienna, the underground is free for children
[21:25] <diddledan> 2pm sounds about normal
[21:26] <diddledan> my boss doesn't seem to agree tho
[21:26] <shauno> ah yes.  the "unfair on the team" speech
[21:27] <diddledan> yup, that's the one
[21:27] <redtape> pizza be good  , thou  .
[21:27] <diddledan> also the "difficult to run a business" speach
[21:28] <diddledan> I fully appreciate his point of view, but then I also appreciate sleep
[21:28] <mungbean> i find it weird that one guy gets suspended sentence for tweeting an image, but the retweeters dont
[21:29] <mungbean> but the original tweet was from a blog, hence could be considered a retweet in itself
[21:29] <redtape> i only go on twitter once a week .. even then I only get 2 days of tweets before it doesn't scroll no more :(
[21:30] <diddledan> ok, I succumbed and turned the oven on
[21:30] <redtape> piza ?
[21:30] <diddledan> pizza will be had
[21:30] <redtape> ah -ha !
[21:30] <mungbean> some people follow 2000 people...i mean whats the point?
[21:30] <diddledan> I might have some beer around here someplace, too
[21:30] <redtape> i know.
[21:32] <redtape> i went onto website called http://www.circlecount.com/communities/  to see wat communities have blossomed .. but it's mostly mulch .
[21:33] <diddledan> twitter is all about finding out when z-list celeb snogs another z-list celeb, or to detail horrifying gore from the frontline of some war we shouldn't have started. facebook is all about finding out when your sister snogs joe down the road, or to detail horrifying gore from the frontline of bejeweled dash
[21:33] <redtape> glad i dont use either   , much !
[21:34] <diddledan> the resistance is strong, I sense. resist no more, you will.
[21:34] <diddledan> hands up who didn't read that with yoda's voice?
[21:35] <mungbean> twitter for me is not having to install an rss reader
[21:35] <redtape> If only Ubuntu lauched a proper website like plus.google.con then they would easily have a proper slice of activity on the net .. but they dont like making friends that wont pay .. or maynot pay at some point in the future ...
[21:36] <diddledan> speaking of ubuntu.. I need to upgrade
[21:36] <mungbean> ubuntu planet used to be popular
[21:36] <mungbean> i stoped reading after i stopped using rss reader
[21:37] <redtape> i'm just tired of being preached to .. :-(
[21:37] <diddledan> I occasionally read an omgbuntu article that gets shoved into my phone
[21:37] <diddledan> but that's not canonical owned
[21:37] <diddledan> so no revenue
[21:38] <diddledan> I sometimes wonder what life would be like with a Gentoo-phone
[21:38] <redtape> i only think that centup is the real way to get bloggiong revenue .. flattr is a fart.
[21:38] <diddledan> then I stop flogging myself with a pitchfork and come back to my senses
[21:38] <mungbean> does gentoo really exist?
[21:39] <mungbean> i thought it was a fake thing like arch
[21:39] <redtape> gentoo ?
[21:39] <diddledan> it's similar to arch. arch is a fork afaik
[21:39] <redtape> isn't that pendrive linux or sommit ?
[21:40] <mungbean> arch is just a fake linux that trolls invoke on blog comments
[21:40] <diddledan> nope, gentoo is a meta-distribution - it provides the means to compile a system from scratch
[21:40] <redtape> takes all night thou ..
[21:40] <diddledan> each gentoo installation is unique
[21:40] <mungbean> i'm making up a linux called barry
[21:41] <diddledan> barry island linux would totally take off
[21:41] <mungbean> i won't go to the bother of making isos
[21:41] <redtape> barry .. the one with brown hair   ??
[21:41] <mungbean> i'll just talk about it on g+ and the like
[21:41] <mungbean> soon there will be a following
[21:42] <redtape> may do if its GNU/Linux , i guess.
[21:42] <diddledan> I have to sysadmin a bunch of Gentoo servers at work
[21:42] <diddledan> really? who uses gentoo on a server?!
[21:43] <mungbean> 15 years runnig linux in the enterprise, i never saw anything but ubuntu/debian/centos/fedora/rhel on a server (ocassionally suse on an appliance)
[21:43] <mungbean> i would sack anyone for using gentoo in the enterprise
[21:43] <mungbean> sorry, gotta wait 3 days to install this mate
[21:44] <mungbean> barry linux fixes that anyway
[21:44] <mungbean> any problem with linux? barry is better
[21:45]  * redtape wonders where the other 100 distro's go wrong , then ?
[21:45] <redtape> **1000's
[21:45] <diddledan> well the Government don't seem to mind, at least. well they haven't complained yet.
[21:47] <diddledan> but then they'd probably pay through the nose for it to be "fixed" in so much as that means installing ubuntu instead.
[21:47] <redtape> anyone seen any good crowd-funders lately (projects etc ?)
[21:48] <directhex> in business, you need to quantify your risks
[21:48] <directhex> this includes the risks of your software failing
[21:48] <directhex> people opt for distros like suse and rhel not because they're good, but because there's a phone number for supportr
[21:48] <redtape> .. leaves for bed  .. bye bye ..
[21:48] <directhex> i.e. "a neck to choke"
[21:49] <diddledan> unless the business is freeloading
[21:51] <ali1234> right, u[grade tiem
[21:51] <mungbean> watches kubuntu video...still ugly
[21:52] <mungbean> kde on barry linux is much nicer
[21:53] <diddledan> we totally need to make barry popular
[21:54] <redtape> shauno: Oh, shauno .. there's a meetup in Dublin for Ubuntu on the 28th April for the release . I won't be there ,. but thought you'd like to know ...
[21:54] <mungbean> i like this subreddit http://www.reddit.com/r/Pareidolia/
[21:55] <redtape> mungbean: Is it about aliens ?
[21:56] <mungbean> nope, it's faces in everyday objects
[21:56] <ali1234> opensuse has the best kde
[21:56] <ali1234> and the worst everything else
[21:57] <directhex> diddledan, well, no, there are plenty of valid reasons for a business not to use a commercial distro
[21:57] <directhex> diddledan, e.g. we use debian at work... and a lot of the senior staff are debian developers
[21:58] <diddledan> what would be the freeloader's equivalent to landscape for ubuntu? e.g. I personally run three servers out and about, and several desktoppy things
[21:58] <diddledan> four servers even
[21:59] <diddledan> I've got nagios running for the monitoring aspect
[22:00] <diddledan> speaking of which. five servers. I have too many servers.
[22:00] <mungbean> spacewalk
[22:00] <mungbean> although its mainly for centos
[22:00] <diddledan> yeah, I got put off by it/s
[22:01] <diddledan> it's rhel/centos emphasis
[22:04] <diddledan> oh how annoying. OS X you suck! I turned off inverse scrolling so my mousewheel worked how it does everywhere else, but now other gestures on the trackpad are all back-to-front
[22:05] <diddledan> like swiping for a workspace on the right takes you left, and vice versa
[22:06] <diddledan> I really need ubuntu to run on here nicely.. it seems to have issue wiht my wifi card tho
[22:07] <diddledan> the issue manifests as silently dropping all packets destined for the network, but still saying the network is connected. happens after some time with where the connection has been working fine with no problems..
[22:08] <shauno> you inverted scrolling, and then complain scrolling is inverted?
[22:08] <diddledan> shauno, yup, that about sums it up
[22:08] <ali1234> update aborted because: the install iso won't boo
[22:08] <diddledan> I didn't say it was logical
[22:08] <ali1234> t
[22:09] <diddledan> ouch
[22:09] <shauno> the swipe behaviour actually makes sense.  imagine you're moving a scrollbar now, not the screen
[22:09] <diddledan> ali1234, bad burn or download? or is the copy on the mirror b0rked?
[22:10] <ali1234> download is fine
[22:10] <ali1234> md5 matches
[22:10] <ali1234> writing it again now
[22:10] <diddledan> try md5sum /dev/sr0
[22:11] <ali1234> i can't it's a usb device
[22:11] <shauno> probably not a good idea while it's burning anyway
[22:11] <ali1234> it's not burning
[22:12] <ali1234> the iso won't even fit on a cd any more
[22:13] <shauno> I should take another stab at raising openstack this weekend.  I wiped it in frustration last night
[22:14] <shauno> the only useful thing I've figured out so far, is that if the documentation is more than a month or two old, ignore it
[22:18] <ali1234> they just told me about devstack in #juju
[22:18] <ali1234> devstack.org
[22:19] <directhex> diddledan, i have about 70 vms, all told. maybe more. i'd need to count
[22:19] <shauno> yeah, I got that up, but with very little idea how.  and I'll need the how when I move it to more than one machine
[22:20] <shauno> although I've been reading the config files it created to fill in the gaps in online docs
[22:22] <diddledan> alot of it is database driven afaict
[22:22] <redtape> I'll leaves with a graphic :: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-raring/  Nite-all !
[22:26] <shauno> it seems most the interfaces are quite unstable.  so, eg, when ubuntu's serverguide tells you to create an admin user with "nova-manage user admin $username", nova-manage complains 'user' isn't a valid option
[22:28] <ali1234> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5606353/
[22:29] <ali1234> BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at 0000000000000030
[22:30] <diddledan> from my non-expert eye it looks to be related to power management
[22:31] <diddledan> caveat: I know nothing of the internals of the kernel, so it's purely a stab in the dark
[22:33] <diddledan> although, looking some more.. a bug in overlayfs, mayhaps?
[22:33] <diddledan> [   21.734982] IP: [<ffffffffa024e289>] ovl_permission+0x59/0x140 [overlayfs]
[22:34] <diddledan> something to do with permissions, as further down is:
[22:34] <diddledan> [   21.735209] Call Trace:
[22:34] <diddledan> [   21.735215]  [<ffffffff8119e7d5>] __inode_permission+0x85/0xe0
[22:35] <diddledan> obviously the kernel is allowed read and write everywhere so it's not a "not permissive" issue, but rather an implementation issue
[22:56] <ali1234> i think i'm going to try unity for a bit again
[23:00] <mungbean> http://i.imgur.com/Koly66s.jpg
[23:03] <diddledan> the pedant in me would turn that one the right way about
[23:04] <mungbean> go against the flow
[23:04] <diddledan> and put the other one back in the box iwth his friends
[23:07] <diddledan> I like things to be "just so" or alternatively for there to be a complete lack of "just so"iness
[23:08] <shauno> are they meant to look that happy?
[23:08] <diddledan> e.g. my house.. major disaster zone. lighters in a box.. just so
[23:08] <diddledan> they been smoking too much of the "good stuff"
[23:10] <mungbean> :D face
[23:17] <ali1234> hmmmmmm
[23:17] <ali1234> terminal is messed up
[23:17] <ali1234> http://imagebin.org/255539
[23:18] <ali1234> and now it's gone
[23:18] <shauno> I'm starting to suspect it's just not your day
[23:19] <diddledan_> wha? libreoffice can publish to mediawiki?!
[23:19] <shauno> wha? someone uses libreoffice?
[23:19] <ali1234> i see the bug where the installer hangs if there is already grub on the first partition has not been fixed
[23:20] <diddledan_> what should I use instead?
[23:21] <diddledan_> openoffice is evil oracle poo now, so I'm sure as funky not gonna use that
[23:21] <shauno> heh, I won't answer that, because I'm a heretic :)
[23:23] <diddledan_> you don't?!
[23:23] <shauno> I tend to use pages or word, depending on whether they're happy with a pdf, or need something they can edit later
[23:23] <ali1234> use google docs
[23:24] <ali1234> or gedit
[23:24] <shauno> I'm not allowed to use google docs :(
[23:24] <diddledan_> o_O
[23:24] <ali1234> gedit it is then
[23:25] <ali1234> hmm the title bar test fades out to transparent... you can see the window behind
[23:26] <ali1234> http://imagebin.org/255540
[23:26] <shauno> we do actually use it for a single spreadsheet that needs to be shared with an outside partner.  but the whole mess I have to go through to put inside info on an outside system isn't worth it.  I tried once, and discovered they want me to go through the same song and dance for each *document*
[23:27] <ali1234> 4 bugs found and i haven't finished installing it yet :(
[23:29] <AlanBell> evening all
[23:31] <diddledan_> I really must play c&c4 at some point.. how well does it run under wine, I wonder
[23:34] <diddledan_> ok, I've found something I don't know how to fix - my main user on ubuntu on my mac has uid of 501 to match with the uid on my os x partition. uids below 1000 aren't show by default in the login chooser, so I can't select my user account to login
[23:35] <shauno> I do the same, but my answer may be too oldschool for lightdm  (min & max values in /etc/login.defs)
[23:35] <diddledan_> oddness.. /etc/lightdm/users.conf says it's uids below 500 that aren't shown, so my uid should be visible
[23:41] <diddledan_> ok, lightdm users.conf is overridden by dbus' accountsservice
[23:47] <diddledan_> ergh.. setting the option in login.defs does work.. but only after a reboot (or figuring out the order to shut the multitude of dbussy services down and then start them back up again)
[23:48] <shauno> I honestly wasn't expecting that to be honored.  colour me surprised
[23:49]  * diddledan_ breaks out the colouring pencils
[23:49]  * diddledan_ stabs at the "paper"
[23:49] <diddledan_> by paper, I obviously mean you :-)
[23:50] <shauno> gotcha
[23:50] <diddledan_> I'm nice and friendly when I've got sharp pencils
[23:51] <ali1234> [    8.696039] swap_free: Bad swap file entry 400000000000000
[23:51] <ali1234> [    8.696085] BUG: Bad page map in process sleep  pte:00000004 pmd:410863067
[23:54] <ali1234> compiz is still unbelievably slow with nvidia-313 :(
[23:54] <diddledan_> there's something funky with the intel graphics on my mac in association with ubuntu
[23:55] <diddledan_> 13.04**
[23:55] <ali1234> how do i disable global menu?
[23:55] <diddledan_> weird jitteryness as though it's not filling the ram before it gets scrolled into view
[23:56] <ali1234> how do i stop it from trying to get me to install webapps?