=== Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za [05:41] morning [05:48] Tinuva ! [05:48] we meet again.. [05:49] TrollPig!!! [05:51] this is where we will have our final battle [05:51] prepare yourself Tinuva ! [06:22] morning superfly and others [06:22] ai! stupid konversation [06:22] morning Kilos [06:22] you're in late today [06:22] shame! [06:23] its cold squirm so i lay under cover a bit longer and read [06:24] :/ [06:24] I want to do that [06:25] but ive fed the chickens already and the grass is freezing on bare feet [06:27] chuckens! [06:27] what are you doing with chickens? [06:28] eggs the dogs dont steal [06:28] and sometimes roast chicken [06:29] :D [06:29] do you farm ? [06:29] i live on my sisters plot [06:29] awesome [06:29] I love the farm life style [06:29] she works and i look after the sheep and chickens [06:29] yeah [06:29] we used to have a family owned farm, would go there once a month for a weekend [06:30] now my uncle bought the whole farm and he's busy with chickens as well :O [06:30] like 60k chuckens per 'harvest' [06:30] there is money in broilers [06:31] quickest turnover of all livestock [06:31] if you can only score a nice contract [06:31] every 6 weeks [06:31] a bit more difficult if you have to sell it yourself [06:31] I cant remember the price, but he sold (I think 10 or 20k) to SPAR [06:31] for like R14 ea [06:32] already cut ofcourse [06:32] what most peeps i know did they allowed rainbow to build the sheds and supply everything then they fetch them too [06:33] but yeah, I like going to the farm [06:33] cleanest air and best sleep [06:33] hrm [06:33] how rough is an openvpn setup [06:33] its been years since I attempted that [06:33] on your own the input costs are heavy to build up and then as you say the market [06:33] yeah, he's on his own [06:33] but he has a nice set up [06:33] checks on them every hour or two [06:34] lol [06:34] even with a little 'hospital' section [06:34] where the ones that survived a near death drowning experience or trampled by the others [06:34] most guys then breed picks as well to feed the dead chicks to [06:34] pigs [06:35] not skillpiGs [06:35] oink oinks [06:35] :D [06:35] where is your plot ? [06:35] are you in the gauteng area ? [06:35] west of pretoria [06:36] how you enjoying the pressured prices these days ? [06:36] allow external farmers around ZA to bring their meat in at a stupid price [06:36] the what? [06:36] but farmers in ZA aren't allowed to take their meat out of ZA [06:36] ah we just keep stock for own use [06:37] few sheep and free range common fowls [06:37] heh, you arent even allowed to bring meat in as a private person normally [06:37] I almost got busted coming over the namibian border with 3 kilograms of dried wors in my boot once ;p [06:38] namibian dried wors > * [06:38] :P [06:39] aptitude just had an upgrade today [06:40] 2.3 meg. i winder what has been changed / improved [06:40] wonder [06:43] 13.04 is out [06:43] so probably something to do with that [06:44] i tried to find the download link for za but gave up and went to bed [06:45] we need to educate maaz [06:45] inetpro: teach the bot the right links man [06:45] Maaz: get ubuntu [06:45] Kilos: 301 Moved Permanently to http://www.ubuntu.com/, which gets a 200 OK "Home | Ubuntu" [06:49] lol Kilos i gave you the link yester day for za [06:50] or just use the official mirror link and add za. infront of it [06:50] you did? [06:50] oh my [06:50] http://za.releases.ubuntu.com/raring/ or http://ftp.wa.co.za/pub/ubuntu/releases/raring/ [06:50] both those are local [06:50] ty skillpiG [06:53] good morning all [06:53] hi N8Wulf [06:54] How you Kilos? [06:54] ok ty and you N8Wulf ? [06:55] good tnx, working like an Egyptian slave though [06:56] lol [06:58] Q: how do i reset / flush dns? I had issue a while ago, did mv resolve.conf resolv.conf.backup and that sorted me for about a month, now I'm sitting with same prob again [06:58] the mv trick only wotks once [06:59] N8Wulf, does your linux install make use of nscd? [07:00] i'm lying..... i just tried it again now, it worked. last night it did not wanna work [07:00] nscd nope [07:00] will install it now, seeing as i can connect again [07:01] hi morgs [07:01] hi Kilos [07:02] hi superfly [07:02] is it just me or is talking about my probs here just like going to a Psyc... i tend to figure my own linux probs out just by talking about them [07:03] my install is using somethign else again [07:03] hmm [07:13] here you can get experts to check that you do the right things N8Wulf [07:14] otherwise you can end up like me and do many clean installs [07:15] the problem is I havent run a regular ubuntu install in a long time [07:27] wb N8Wulf [07:27] what are you using Tinuva ? [07:28] i did a ubuntu minimal install, and then installed openbox + tint2 + some other cool stuff [07:28] aha [07:28] thats too much hard work for me [07:29] it pretty much looks like crunchbang, except its ubuntu not debian [07:29] heh, once it is set up, it is awesome [07:30] only other os i have tried since i came to ubuntu is tinycorelinux [07:31] i miss the up to dateness of archlinux, but THAT became to much daily work to keep it up to date [07:45] * nuvolari see we can start a fanclub for arch/minimalistic DE's [08:07] heh [08:07] technically any distro can be minimalistic :) [08:35] yo Vince-0 [08:36] yo Oom [08:36] hehe [08:38] going to Jo'burg for Metallica for tomorrow [09:15] hey all [10:34] finally! openvpn works [10:34] holy crap that was a bitch to configure properly [10:46] I wanted to go to Jo'burg for Metallica :/ [10:48] Symmetria what was the hang up? [10:48] hah see I did not even know they were coming till Vince-0 said something [11:16] Squirm: so if it is any comfort i won't be going either [11:26] awww === Guest5678 is now known as blak_rob [13:35] hello [13:37] someone? anyone? [13:38] Hi blak_rob [13:40] hi blak_rob [13:40] hey HawkiesZA you becoming almost regular [13:41] almost [13:41] disturbing, how am I supposed to cope after reading something about droëwors :-/ [13:42] good or bad nuvolari? [13:44] i would ask what but then we might no be able to cope [13:51] hmm... [13:52] you guys are supposed to welcome visitors [13:53] * HawkiesZA puts his welcome face on [13:53] lol [13:53] Welcome visitors! We're available and happy to help with all your questions! [13:53] we did, bit slow maybe [13:53] How's that? [13:54] thats the way no save that for the next one [13:54] so magespawn have you tried 13.04? [13:54] I wonder if I can script that for whenever a non-regular enters [13:55] we tried with an ibid bot HawkiesZA but the script needs working on [13:55] nah not yet, will do upgrade to the shop pc tomorrow [13:55] you good at python? [13:55] Well.... [13:55] I have to be careful what I say in here :P [13:56] I can take a lookie [13:56] i can paste the script [13:56] So it's basically a plugin for ibid? [13:56] lemme find it [13:56] ya [13:56] Neat [13:56] i sent my bot here and it greeted everyone 1 at a time [14:00] http://slexy.org/view/s204bYbQ3g [14:02] you will need to hear from the fly and/or the weed what needs doing [14:03] the super fly? [14:03] well duh! how many flies we got here [14:03] lol [14:03] Two :P [14:03] they both are too busy to work through the script [14:03] But kewl. I know the fly [14:04] the mrs one just lurks, she aint chatted for a long time [14:05] superfly: can you just tell HawkiesZA what need sdoing please [14:19] hi grantw [14:21] maybe it should remember all old nicks and only greet noobs the i dunno if the time factor is important anymore HawkiesZA [14:22] thats why you gotta talk to superfly or tumbleweed . i know nothing about scripting [14:28] I think the time factor could be important if someone times out [14:28] I wouldn't want to be greeted every time I timeout [14:28] not if it remembers old nicks ? [14:29] I think I have an idea what needs to happen. Might take me some time to get it right ;) [14:29] wasnt that idle time just for it to not greet if channel was busy? [14:29] In the meantime, it's probably a good idea to head home :) [14:30] go safe [14:30] Yupyup! [14:30] The idle time checks if the channel is busy, yeah. So it'll greet newcomers only if the channel is idle. [14:31] Which seems fine. If the channel is busy, people will probably notice the new guy [14:31] Aaaanyway [14:31] Chat later [16:00] later all [16:09] hi [17:03] hi [17:04] lo [17:15] superfly: cany you tell hawkiesza what to look for and change in the ibid greeter script sometime please [17:15] Kilos: yes, I will [17:16] ty [18:58] whew 2 more hours till night surfer [19:01] wbb need modem for a while on other machine === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za [19:25] good evening [19:25] oh and wb Kilos [19:26] ohi inetpro hows things your side [19:26] and ty [19:26] Kilos: somehow still breathing :-) [19:26] im gonna get 13.04 if i dont fall of the chair or fall asleep [19:26] was another hectic week [19:27] another one [19:27] they're all hectic these days [19:28] if it's not work it is family and friends [19:28] oh well only 20 years left for you [19:28] to little time to kuier in here [19:28] less if you retire at 55 [19:28] sjoe [19:28] ya me miss you man [19:28] ai! [19:29] i gotta take chances with wget and out internet without your help [19:29] * Kilos cries [19:29] haha [19:29] our internet [19:29] at least you have many others who can help [19:29] Kilos: Waiting to use your Midnight Surfer data to download the latest Ubuntu disc? [19:29] yes Trixar_za [19:30] :P [19:30] Kilos: oh and at least you can help others in here also [19:30] dunno if i will work on my pc but ive got 12.04 kde running lekker so too bad if it dont [19:30] jammer Kilos, I still haven't gotten to mailing you those disks - net nie kaans of geld gehad nie [19:30] I used mine to torrent You Don't Know Jack Volume III and the last Futurama Episode of Season 6 [19:30] :P [19:30] *kans [19:31] superfly: np 12.04 is great here [19:31] 13.04 is just so i dont lose all the night surfer [19:31] * inetpro is very sad that we have yet another holiday tomorrow [19:31] Oh and part of Katawasa Shoujo [19:31] ah yes [19:32] We have too many holidays [19:32] thought I would get a chance to visit Telkom to get the 10GB Promo deal [19:32] and too little bandwidth [19:32] inetpro: I doubt tomorrow will be much different to any other Saturday? [19:32] superfly: but sadly Telkom will be closed [19:32] tomorrow is a holiday? [19:33] inetpro: of course, Telkom is an extension of the goverment [19:33] inetpro: tell about the 10g promo [19:33] nm 2 still works [19:34] Kilos: still the same thing, 10+10 for R299 per month [19:35] but you have to sign up for 24 months [19:35] aha clever [19:35] but good price [19:36] our bandwidth will hopefully be cheaper than that by the end of the 24 months but I somehow doubt [19:36] but since 8ta and telkom did their bit my net is very slow [19:36] Kilos: yep, I can somehow agree on that [19:36] hardly ever goes above 100 kB/s [19:36] will fone monday and complain [19:37] maybe its time to start mailing CEO's again [19:37] but Kilos this after 23:00 data is very tough on us man [19:38] way to late to stay awake [19:38] yeah i agree, i suffer after 9pm [19:38] wanted to try with at [19:38] but dunno what will happen if im asleep [19:39] does wget work with at? [19:39] I have 1GB that I must use before Wednesday next week [19:40] lol im not even sure im gonna get 13.04 with wget [19:40] wget should work with at [19:40] whew you better get to some downloading [19:40] evening all [19:40] hi magespawn [19:40] magespawn: hello and eb [19:40] wb as well [19:41] haha [19:41] had me thinking there [19:41] here is something i just found http://thehackernews.com/2012/03/anonymous-os-01-anonymous-hackers.html [19:41] bad for head that man [19:43] just reading logs [19:43] clever guys hey got xchat and pidgin [19:43] i would not want to sign a 24 month now [19:44] Classical hackers or the media's misnomer? [19:44] magespawn: I also hate the idea but it's the best deal in Town [19:45] based on ubuntu with mate so back to gnome2 [19:45] I keep wasting money with the other prepaid deals [19:45] Trixar_za: seems to be classic [19:45] there's no way that I can even stretch 2GB for one month let alone two months [19:46] Then I will read it :P [19:46] lol [19:46] inetpro: do you do all your internetting on mobile? [19:47] magespawn: at home yes [19:47] inetpro: I'm at 300MB from my 2GB+1GB Promo deal [19:47] wow Trixar_za what you been doing [19:47] Torrents [19:47] :P [19:47] movies? [19:48] Games mostly [19:48] lol [19:48] You can find anything on the internet [19:48] if you're not careful it vanishes very quickly [19:48] i 'manage' on about 500mb on the tablet per month, but do most of mine over wifi [19:49] and if you add two teenagers and a wife it goes even quicker [19:49] hows you wifi plans going magespawn ? [19:49] wifi [19:49] eek inetpro ya then you need 10+10 [19:49] icasa's requirements are insane [19:50] only you will be the +10 [19:50] aw magespawn thats sad [19:50] magespawn: I noticed news about icasa but have not actually read any of it, what do they say? [19:51] to apply to the licence it is R10g up front [19:51] to=for [19:51] eish! [19:51] wow [19:52] that is very rough [19:52] Yeah, this 300MB has to last another week before I have enough for another bundle :P [19:52] and if they deny they keep it anyway [19:52] swines [19:52] Also it would be waste near the end of the month [19:52] indeed [19:52] money hungry swines [19:52] all about money [19:52] eish [19:52] Kilos: no, they're just control freaks [19:53] don't think it's about the money, but maybe I'm even wrong on that [19:53] how will thewy know if one sets up a wifi area [19:53] and the equipment would be another 50 to 60g, so those plans have been shelved [19:54] how much is 60g [19:54] Kilos: how will they know if you drive 160 on the highway? [19:54] 1800 [19:54] 60GB+60GB [19:54] But lasts like a year [19:54] they wouldn't, but there are players with networks already and they would loose business=incentive to report [19:55] no man magespawn equipment of 50 or 60g [19:55] i meant R60 000 [19:55] not k? [19:55] Trixar_za: 60 / 12 = 5GB per month [19:55] ah ty [19:55] Yeah, I did the math in my head too [19:55] :P [19:55] thought another new thing had come out [19:55] and 5GB midnight surfer per month too [19:55] that is not enough for me [19:56] wow inetpro 60+60 not enough [19:56] Kilos: nope [19:56] 5 gigs a month [19:56] whew [19:56] not if I have to stretch it over 12 months [19:57] 20GB per month would be comfortable for me [19:57] you need uncapped [19:57] uncapped is useless [19:58] because they slow you down after 3GB or some such [19:58] shaping [19:58] ai [19:58] at least MTN does that [19:58] evrything crooked everywhere [19:58] pity you aint got telkom lines [19:58] and the slowdown/shaping is ridiculous, goes down to something like 256kbps [19:59] lol thats fast man [19:59] 8ta not close at the moment [19:59] Kilos: 256kbps = 32 Kbps [20:00] why when i download do i see kB/s [20:00] when going good a meg in 5 secs or so [20:00] oops kBps [20:01] kBps = kB/s [20:01] ya 256 kB/s aint bad [20:01] but now 8ta dances right down to 45 kB/s [20:02] will definitely fone monday [20:02] eish... you have some other problem I think [20:02] mine is at 0.86 Mbps [20:02] They come and go [20:02] whats that in mB/s [20:03] Also sometimes 8ta jumps to MTN's network which means the Telkom Network bundles don't count [20:03] Telkom Mobile* [20:03] only when mobile Trixar_za [20:03] and if I test again I get 1.67Mbps [20:03] you testing how inetpro ? [20:03] Around midnight it does clear up massively [20:04] Kilos: b = bits per second and B = bytes per second [20:04] no man head too sore to think [20:04] 8 bits = 1 byte [20:04] Then I get about 300kb/s downloads. Which is faster than I used to get on GPRS or EDGE :) [20:04] 8 bits to i byte [20:05] ya Trixar_za mine was up to 300 kB/s a while back [20:05] when 8ta was 8ta [20:05] That's normal downloads, it's strangely faster using Transmission [20:05] that was a while ago... [20:06] Especially if it has lots of seeds [20:06] they even smsed me and said they increased memory to 12meg or something [20:06] then everything went slower [20:07] what is verbose [20:07] -v option in wget [20:08] Kilos: The default output is verbose [20:09] ? [20:09] what does it mean [20:09] what does it do [20:09] Kilos: you see stuff happening as it downloads [20:09] it tells you everything [20:09] aoh thats lekker [20:10] like rsync -av [20:11] Kilos: well, almost like the v option of rsync [20:11] ah ty [20:11] you see a progress bar et all [20:12] ya thats lekker [20:12] but if you do a download while you're asleep there's no point in having that [20:12] Is it true what I hear about Ubuntu going the Qt route? [20:12] lol im nosy man will keep peeking [20:12] then yo usually tell it to keep quiet with the -q option [20:13] Trixar_za: Qt is the way to go [20:13] Trixar_za: they've been talking about using QML with Ubuntu Touch, and in order to use QML you need to use Qt [20:14] It's amazing the adaption rate of something the moment it adopts a less restrictive license [20:15] Trixar_za: true enough. working with Qt/C++ is a dream compared to GTK [20:16] so I'm not surprised everyone is jumping on the band wagon since the less restrictive licensing [20:17] Should make the KDE fans happy at least. Most don't like the changes to the latest KDE [20:17] what changes are you talking about? [20:17]