[05:41] <Squirm> morning
[05:48] <skillpiG> Tinuva !
[05:48] <skillpiG> we meet again..
[05:49] <Tinuva> TrollPig!!!
[05:51] <skillpiG> this is where we will have our final battle
[05:51] <skillpiG> prepare yourself Tinuva !
[06:22] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[06:22] <Kilos> ai! stupid konversation
[06:22] <Squirm> morning Kilos
[06:22] <Squirm> you're in late today
[06:22] <Squirm> shame!
[06:23] <Kilos> its cold squirm so i lay under cover a bit longer and read
[06:24] <Squirm> :/
[06:24] <Squirm> I want to do that
[06:25] <Kilos> but ive fed the chickens already and the grass is freezing on bare feet
[06:27] <skillpiG> chuckens!
[06:27] <skillpiG> what are you doing with chickens?
[06:28] <Kilos> eggs the dogs dont steal 
[06:28] <Kilos> and sometimes roast chicken
[06:29] <skillpiG> :D
[06:29] <skillpiG> do you farm ?
[06:29] <Kilos> i live on my sisters plot
[06:29] <skillpiG> awesome
[06:29] <skillpiG> I love the farm life style
[06:29] <Kilos> she works and i look after the sheep and chickens
[06:29] <Kilos> yeah
[06:29] <skillpiG> we used to have a family owned farm, would go there once a month for a weekend
[06:30] <skillpiG> now my uncle bought the whole farm and he's busy with chickens as well :O
[06:30] <skillpiG> like 60k chuckens per 'harvest'
[06:30] <Kilos> there is money in broilers
[06:31] <Kilos> quickest turnover of all livestock
[06:31] <skillpiG> if you can only score a nice contract
[06:31] <Kilos> every 6 weeks
[06:31] <skillpiG> a bit more difficult if you have to sell it yourself
[06:31] <skillpiG> I cant remember the price, but he sold (I think 10 or 20k) to SPAR
[06:31] <skillpiG> for like R14 ea
[06:32] <skillpiG> already cut ofcourse
[06:32] <Kilos> what most peeps i know did they allowed rainbow to build the sheds and supply everything then they fetch them too
[06:33] <skillpiG> but yeah, I like going to the farm
[06:33] <skillpiG> cleanest air and best sleep
[06:33] <Symmetria> hrm
[06:33] <Symmetria> how rough is an openvpn setup
[06:33] <Symmetria> its been years since I attempted that
[06:33] <Kilos> on your own the input costs are heavy to build up and then as you say the market
[06:33] <skillpiG> yeah, he's on his own
[06:33] <skillpiG> but he has a nice set up
[06:33] <skillpiG> checks on them every hour or two
[06:34] <Kilos> lol
[06:34] <skillpiG> even with a little 'hospital' section
[06:34] <skillpiG> where the ones that survived a near death drowning experience or trampled by the others
[06:34] <Kilos> most guys then breed picks as well to feed the dead chicks to
[06:34] <Kilos> pigs
[06:35] <Kilos> not skillpiGs
[06:35] <Kilos> oink oinks
[06:35] <skillpiG> :D
[06:35] <skillpiG> where is your plot ?
[06:35] <skillpiG> are you in the gauteng area ?
[06:35] <Kilos> west of pretoria
[06:36] <skillpiG> how you enjoying the pressured prices these days ?
[06:36] <skillpiG> allow external farmers around ZA to bring their meat in at a stupid price
[06:36] <Kilos> the what?
[06:36] <skillpiG> but farmers in ZA aren't allowed to take their meat out of ZA
[06:36] <Kilos> ah we just keep stock for own use
[06:37] <Kilos> few sheep and free range common fowls
[06:37] <Symmetria> heh, you arent even allowed to bring meat in as a private person normally
[06:37] <Symmetria> I almost got busted coming over the namibian border with 3 kilograms of dried wors in my boot once ;p
[06:38] <Symmetria> namibian dried wors > *
[06:38] <skillpiG> :P
[06:39] <Kilos> aptitude just had an upgrade today
[06:40] <Kilos> 2.3 meg. i winder what has been changed / improved
[06:40] <Kilos> wonder
[06:43] <skillpiG> 13.04 is out
[06:43] <skillpiG> so probably something to do with that
[06:44] <Kilos> i tried to find the download link for za but gave up and went to bed
[06:45] <Kilos> we need to educate maaz
[06:45] <Kilos> inetpro: teach the bot the right links man
[06:45] <Kilos> Maaz: get ubuntu
[06:45] <Maaz> Kilos: 301 Moved Permanently to http://www.ubuntu.com/, which gets a 200 OK "Home | Ubuntu"
[06:49] <Tinuva> lol Kilos i gave you the link yester day for za
[06:50] <Tinuva> or just use the official mirror link and add za. infront of it
[06:50] <Kilos> you did?
[06:50] <Kilos> oh my
[06:50] <Tinuva> http://za.releases.ubuntu.com/raring/ or http://ftp.wa.co.za/pub/ubuntu/releases/raring/
[06:50] <Tinuva> both those are local
[06:50] <Kilos> ty skillpiG 
[06:53] <N8Wulf> good morning all
[06:53] <Kilos> hi N8Wulf 
[06:54] <N8Wulf> How you Kilos?
[06:54] <Kilos> ok ty and you N8Wulf ?
[06:55] <N8Wulf> good tnx, working like an Egyptian slave though
[06:56] <Kilos> lol
[06:58] <N8Wulf> Q: how do i reset / flush dns? I had issue a while ago, did mv resolve.conf resolv.conf.backup     and that sorted me for about a month, now I'm sitting with same prob again
[06:58] <N8Wulf> the mv trick only wotks once
[06:59] <Tinuva> N8Wulf, does your linux install make use of nscd?
[07:00] <N8Wulf> i'm lying..... i just tried it again now, it worked. last night it did not wanna work
[07:00] <N8Wulf> nscd nope
[07:00] <N8Wulf> will install it now, seeing as i can connect again
[07:01] <Kilos> hi morgs 
[07:01] <morgs> hi Kilos
[07:02] <Kilos> hi superfly 
[07:02] <N8Wulf> is it just me or is talking about my probs here just like going to a Psyc... i tend to figure my own linux probs out just by talking about them
[07:03] <Tinuva> my install is using somethign else again
[07:03] <Tinuva> hmm
[07:13] <Kilos> here you can get experts to check that you do the right things N8Wulf 
[07:14] <Kilos> otherwise you can end up like me and do many clean installs
[07:15] <Tinuva> the problem is I havent run a regular ubuntu install in a long time
[07:27] <Kilos> wb N8Wulf 
[07:27] <Kilos> what are you using Tinuva ?
[07:28] <Tinuva> i did a ubuntu minimal install, and then installed openbox + tint2 + some other cool stuff
[07:28] <Kilos> aha
[07:28] <Kilos> thats too much hard work for me
[07:29] <Tinuva> it pretty much looks like crunchbang, except its ubuntu not debian
[07:29] <Tinuva> heh, once it is set up, it is awesome
[07:30] <Kilos> only other os i have tried since i came to ubuntu is tinycorelinux
[07:31] <Tinuva> i miss the up to dateness of archlinux, but THAT became to much daily work to keep it up to date
[07:45]  * nuvolari see we can start a fanclub for arch/minimalistic DE's
[08:07] <Tinuva> heh
[08:07] <Tinuva> technically any distro can be minimalistic :)
[08:35] <Kilos> yo Vince-0 
[08:36] <Vince-0> yo Oom
[08:36] <Kilos> hehe
[08:38] <Vince-0> going to Jo'burg for Metallica for tomorrow
[09:15] <magespawn> hey all
[10:34] <Symmetria> finally! openvpn works
[10:34] <Symmetria> holy crap that was a bitch to configure properly 
[10:46] <Squirm> I wanted to go to Jo'burg for Metallica :/
[10:48] <magespawn>  Symmetria what was the hang up?
[10:48] <magespawn> hah see I did not even know they were coming till Vince-0 said something
[11:16] <magespawn> Squirm: so if it is any comfort i won't be going either
[11:26] <Vince-0> awww
[13:35] <blak_rob> hello
[13:37] <blak_rob> someone? anyone? 
[13:38] <HawkiesZA> Hi blak_rob 
[13:40] <magespawn> hi blak_rob
[13:40] <magespawn> hey HawkiesZA you becoming almost regular
[13:41] <HawkiesZA> almost
[13:41] <nuvolari> disturbing, how am I supposed to cope after reading something about droëwors :-/
[13:42] <magespawn> good or bad nuvolari?
[13:44] <magespawn> i would ask what but then we might no be able to cope
[13:51] <Kilos> hmm...
[13:52] <Kilos> you guys are supposed to welcome visitors
[13:53]  * HawkiesZA puts his welcome face on
[13:53] <Kilos> lol
[13:53] <HawkiesZA> <Huge smile> Welcome visitors! We're available and happy to help with all your questions!
[13:53] <magespawn> we did, bit slow maybe
[13:53] <HawkiesZA> How's that?
[13:54] <Kilos> thats the way no save that for the next one
[13:54] <Kilos> so  magespawn have you tried 13.04?
[13:54] <HawkiesZA> I wonder if I can script that for whenever a non-regular enters
[13:55] <Kilos> we tried with an ibid bot HawkiesZA but the script needs working on
[13:55] <magespawn> nah not yet, will do upgrade to the shop pc tomorrow
[13:55] <Kilos> you good at python?
[13:55] <HawkiesZA> Well....
[13:55] <HawkiesZA> I have to be careful what I say in here :P
[13:56] <HawkiesZA> I can take a lookie
[13:56] <Kilos> i can paste the script
[13:56] <HawkiesZA> So it's basically a plugin for ibid?
[13:56] <Kilos> lemme find it
[13:56] <Kilos> ya
[13:56] <HawkiesZA> Neat
[13:56] <Kilos> i sent my bot here and it greeted everyone 1 at a time
[14:00] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s204bYbQ3g
[14:02] <Kilos> you will need to hear from the fly and/or the weed what needs doing
[14:03] <HawkiesZA> the super fly?
[14:03] <Kilos> well duh! how many flies we got here
[14:03] <Kilos> lol
[14:03] <HawkiesZA> Two :P
[14:03] <Kilos> they both are too busy to work through the script
[14:03] <HawkiesZA> But kewl. I know the fly
[14:04] <Kilos> the mrs one just lurks, she aint chatted for a long time
[14:05] <Kilos> superfly: can you just tell HawkiesZA what need sdoing please
[14:19] <Kilos> hi grantw 
[14:21] <Kilos> maybe it should remember all old nicks and only greet noobs the i dunno if the time factor is important anymore HawkiesZA 
[14:22] <Kilos> thats why you gotta talk to superfly or tumbleweed . i know nothing about scripting
[14:28] <HawkiesZA> I think the time factor could be important if someone times out
[14:28] <HawkiesZA> I wouldn't want to be greeted every time I timeout
[14:28] <Kilos> not if it remembers old nicks ?
[14:29] <HawkiesZA> I think I have an idea what needs to happen. Might take me some time to get it right ;)
[14:29] <Kilos> wasnt that idle time just for it to not greet if channel was busy?
[14:29] <HawkiesZA> In the meantime, it's probably a good idea to head home :)
[14:30] <Kilos> go safe
[14:30] <HawkiesZA> Yupyup!
[14:30] <HawkiesZA> The idle time checks if the channel is busy, yeah. So it'll greet newcomers only if the channel is idle.
[14:31] <HawkiesZA> Which seems fine. If the channel is busy, people will probably notice the new guy
[14:31] <HawkiesZA> Aaaanyway
[14:31] <HawkiesZA> Chat later
[16:00] <magespawn> later all
[16:09] <Squirm> hi
[17:03] <Kilos> hi
[17:04] <superfly> lo
[17:15] <Kilos> superfly: cany you tell hawkiesza what to look for and change in the ibid greeter script sometime please
[17:15] <superfly> Kilos: yes, I will
[17:16] <Kilos> ty
[18:58] <Kilos> whew 2 more hours till night surfer
[19:01] <Kilos> wbb need modem for a while on other machine
[19:25] <inetpro> good evening
[19:25] <inetpro> oh and wb Kilos
[19:26] <Kilos> ohi inetpro hows things your side
[19:26] <Kilos> and ty
[19:26] <inetpro> Kilos: somehow still breathing :-)
[19:26] <Kilos> im gonna get 13.04 if i dont fall of the chair or fall asleep
[19:26] <inetpro> was another hectic week
[19:27] <Kilos> another one
[19:27] <inetpro> they're all hectic these days
[19:28] <inetpro> if it's not work it is family and friends
[19:28] <Kilos> oh well only 20 years left for you
[19:28] <inetpro> to little time to kuier in here
[19:28] <Kilos> less if you retire at 55
[19:28] <inetpro> sjoe
[19:28] <Kilos> ya me miss you man
[19:28] <inetpro> ai!
[19:29] <Kilos> i gotta take chances with wget and out internet without your help
[19:29]  * Kilos cries
[19:29] <inetpro> haha
[19:29] <Kilos> our internet
[19:29] <inetpro> at least you have many others who can help
[19:29] <Trixar_za> Kilos: Waiting to use your Midnight Surfer data to download the latest Ubuntu disc?
[19:29] <Kilos> yes Trixar_za 
[19:30] <Squirm> :P
[19:30] <inetpro> Kilos: oh and at least you can help others in here also
[19:30] <Kilos> dunno if i will work on my pc but ive got 12.04 kde running lekker so too bad if it dont
[19:30] <superfly> jammer Kilos, I still haven't gotten to mailing you those disks - net nie kaans of geld gehad nie
[19:30] <Trixar_za> I used mine to torrent You Don't Know Jack Volume III and the last Futurama Episode of Season 6
[19:30] <Trixar_za> :P
[19:30] <superfly> *kans
[19:31] <Kilos> superfly: np 12.04 is great here
[19:31] <Kilos> 13.04 is just so i dont lose all the night surfer
[19:31]  * inetpro is very sad that we have yet another holiday tomorrow
[19:31] <Trixar_za> Oh and part of Katawasa Shoujo
[19:31] <superfly> ah yes
[19:32] <Trixar_za> We have too many holidays
[19:32] <inetpro> thought I would get a chance to visit Telkom to get the 10GB Promo deal
[19:32] <Tonberry_> and too little bandwidth
[19:32] <superfly> inetpro: I doubt tomorrow will be much different to any other Saturday?
[19:32] <inetpro> superfly: but sadly Telkom will be closed
[19:32] <Tonberry_> tomorrow is a holiday?
[19:33] <superfly> inetpro: of course, Telkom is an extension of the goverment
[19:33] <Kilos> inetpro: tell about the 10g promo
[19:33] <Kilos> nm 2 still works
[19:34] <inetpro> Kilos: still the same thing, 10+10 for R299 per month
[19:35] <inetpro> but you have to sign up for 24 months
[19:35] <Kilos> aha clever
[19:35] <Kilos> but good price
[19:36] <inetpro> our bandwidth will hopefully be cheaper than that by the end of the 24 months but I somehow doubt
[19:36] <Kilos> but since 8ta and telkom did their bit my net is very slow
[19:36] <inetpro> Kilos: yep, I can somehow agree on that
[19:36] <Kilos> hardly ever goes above 100 kB/s
[19:36] <Kilos> will fone monday and complain
[19:37] <Kilos> maybe its time to start mailing CEO's again
[19:37] <inetpro> but Kilos this after 23:00 data is very tough on us man
[19:38] <inetpro> way to late to stay awake
[19:38] <Kilos> yeah i agree, i suffer after 9pm
[19:38] <Kilos> wanted to try with at 
[19:38] <Kilos> but dunno what will happen if im asleep
[19:39] <Kilos> does wget work with at?
[19:39] <inetpro> I have 1GB that I must use before Wednesday next week
[19:40] <Kilos> lol im not even sure im gonna get 13.04 with wget
[19:40] <inetpro> wget should work with at 
[19:40] <Kilos> whew you better get to some downloading
[19:40] <magespawn> evening all
[19:40] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[19:40] <inetpro> magespawn: hello and eb
[19:40] <inetpro> wb as well
[19:41] <Kilos> haha
[19:41] <Kilos> had me thinking there
[19:41] <magespawn> here is something i just found http://thehackernews.com/2012/03/anonymous-os-01-anonymous-hackers.html
[19:41] <Kilos> bad for head that man
[19:43] <magespawn> just reading logs
[19:43] <Kilos> clever guys hey got xchat and pidgin
[19:43] <magespawn> i would not want to sign a 24 month now
[19:44] <Trixar_za> Classical hackers or the media's misnomer?
[19:44] <inetpro> magespawn: I also hate the idea but it's the best deal in Town
[19:45] <Kilos> based on ubuntu with mate so back to gnome2
[19:45] <inetpro> I keep wasting money with the other prepaid deals
[19:45] <magespawn> Trixar_za: seems to be classic
[19:45] <inetpro> there's no way that I can even stretch 2GB for one month let alone two months
[19:46] <Trixar_za> Then I will read it :P
[19:46] <Kilos> lol
[19:46] <magespawn> inetpro: do you do all your internetting on mobile?
[19:47] <inetpro> magespawn: at home yes
[19:47] <Trixar_za> inetpro: I'm at 300MB from my 2GB+1GB Promo deal
[19:47] <Kilos> wow Trixar_za what you been doing
[19:47] <Trixar_za> Torrents
[19:47] <Trixar_za> :P
[19:47] <Kilos> movies?
[19:48] <Trixar_za> Games mostly
[19:48] <Kilos> lol
[19:48] <Trixar_za> You can find anything on the internet
[19:48] <inetpro> if you're not careful it vanishes very quickly
[19:48] <magespawn> i 'manage' on about 500mb on the tablet per month, but do most of mine over wifi
[19:49] <inetpro> and if you add two teenagers and a wife it goes even quicker
[19:49] <Kilos> hows you wifi plans going magespawn ?
[19:49] <Kilos> wifi
[19:49] <Kilos> eek inetpro ya then you need 10+10
[19:49] <magespawn> icasa's requirements are insane
[19:50] <Kilos> only you will be the +10
[19:50] <Kilos> aw magespawn thats sad
[19:50] <inetpro> magespawn: I noticed news about icasa but have not actually read any of it, what do they say?
[19:51] <magespawn> to apply to the licence it is R10g up front
[19:51] <magespawn> to=for
[19:51] <inetpro> eish!
[19:51] <Kilos> wow
[19:52] <inetpro> that is very rough
[19:52] <Trixar_za> Yeah, this 300MB has to last another week before I have enough for another bundle :P
[19:52] <Kilos> and if they deny they keep it anyway
[19:52] <Kilos> swines
[19:52] <Trixar_za> Also it would be waste near the end of the month
[19:52] <magespawn> indeed
[19:52] <Kilos> money hungry swines
[19:52] <Kilos> all about money
[19:52] <Kilos> eish
[19:52] <inetpro> Kilos: no, they're just control freaks
[19:53] <inetpro> don't think it's about the money, but maybe I'm even wrong on that
[19:53] <Kilos> how will thewy know if one sets up a wifi area
[19:53] <magespawn> and the equipment would be another 50 to 60g, so those plans have been shelved 
[19:54] <Kilos> how much is 60g
[19:54] <inetpro> Kilos: how will they know if you drive 160 on the highway?
[19:54] <Trixar_za> 1800
[19:54] <Trixar_za> 60GB+60GB
[19:54] <Trixar_za> But lasts like a year
[19:54] <magespawn> they wouldn't, but there are players with networks already and they would loose business=incentive to report
[19:55] <Kilos> no man magespawn equipment of 50 or 60g
[19:55] <magespawn> i meant R60 000
[19:55] <Kilos> not k?
[19:55] <inetpro> Trixar_za: 60 / 12 = 5GB per month
[19:55] <Kilos> ah ty
[19:55] <Trixar_za> Yeah, I did the math in my head too
[19:55] <Trixar_za> :P
[19:55] <Kilos> thought another new thing had come out
[19:55] <Trixar_za> and 5GB midnight surfer per month too
[19:55] <inetpro> that is not enough for me
[19:56] <Kilos> wow inetpro 60+60 not enough
[19:56] <inetpro> Kilos: nope
[19:56] <Kilos> 5 gigs a month
[19:56] <Kilos> whew
[19:56] <inetpro> not if I have to stretch it over 12 months
[19:57] <inetpro> 20GB per month would be comfortable for me
[19:57] <Kilos> you need uncapped
[19:57] <inetpro> uncapped is useless
[19:58] <inetpro> because they slow you down after 3GB or some such
[19:58] <magespawn> shaping
[19:58] <Kilos> ai
[19:58] <inetpro> at least MTN does that
[19:58] <Kilos> evrything crooked everywhere
[19:58] <Kilos> pity you aint got telkom lines
[19:58] <inetpro> and the slowdown/shaping is ridiculous, goes down to something like 256kbps 
[19:59] <Kilos> lol thats fast man
[19:59] <Kilos> 8ta not close at the moment
[19:59] <inetpro> Kilos: 256kbps = 32 Kbps
[20:00] <Kilos> why when i download do i see kB/s
[20:00] <Kilos> when going good a meg in 5 secs or so
[20:00] <inetpro> oops kBps
[20:01] <inetpro> kBps = kB/s
[20:01] <Kilos> ya 256 kB/s aint bad
[20:01] <Kilos> but now 8ta dances right down to 45 kB/s
[20:02] <Kilos> will definitely fone monday
[20:02] <inetpro> eish... you have some other problem I think
[20:02] <inetpro> mine is at 0.86 Mbps
[20:02] <Trixar_za> They come and go
[20:02] <Kilos> whats that in mB/s
[20:03] <Trixar_za> Also sometimes 8ta jumps to MTN's network which means the Telkom Network bundles don't count
[20:03] <Trixar_za> Telkom Mobile*
[20:03] <Kilos> only when mobile Trixar_za 
[20:03] <inetpro> and if I test again I get 1.67Mbps
[20:03] <Kilos> you testing how inetpro ?
[20:03] <Trixar_za> Around midnight it does clear up massively
[20:04] <inetpro> Kilos: b = bits per second and B = bytes per second
[20:04] <Kilos> no man head too sore to think
[20:04] <inetpro> 8 bits = 1 byte
[20:04] <Trixar_za> Then I get about 300kb/s downloads. Which is faster than I used to get on GPRS or EDGE :)
[20:04] <Kilos> 8 bits to i byte
[20:05] <Kilos> ya Trixar_za mine was up to 300 kB/s a while back
[20:05] <Kilos> when 8ta was 8ta
[20:05] <Trixar_za> That's normal downloads, it's strangely faster using Transmission
[20:05] <Tonberry_> that was a while ago...
[20:06] <Trixar_za> Especially if it has lots of seeds
[20:06] <Kilos> they even smsed me and said they increased memory to 12meg or something
[20:06] <Kilos> then everything went slower
[20:07] <Kilos> what is verbose
[20:07] <Kilos> -v option in wget
[20:08] <inetpro> Kilos: The default output is verbose
[20:09] <Kilos> ?
[20:09] <Kilos> what does it mean
[20:09] <Kilos> what does it do
[20:09] <inetpro> Kilos: you see stuff happening as it downloads
[20:09] <magespawn> it tells you everything
[20:09] <Kilos> aoh thats lekker
[20:10] <Kilos> like rsync -av
[20:11] <inetpro> Kilos: well, almost like the v option of rsync
[20:11] <Kilos> ah ty
[20:11] <inetpro> you see a progress bar et all
[20:12] <Kilos> ya thats lekker
[20:12] <inetpro> but if you do a download while you're asleep there's no point in having that
[20:12] <Trixar_za> Is it true what I hear about Ubuntu going the Qt route?
[20:12] <Kilos> lol im nosy man will keep peeking
[20:12] <inetpro> then yo usually tell it to keep quiet with the -q option
[20:13] <inetpro> Trixar_za: Qt is the way to go
[20:13] <superfly> Trixar_za: they've been talking about using QML with Ubuntu Touch, and in order to use QML you need to use Qt
[20:14] <Trixar_za> It's amazing the adaption rate of something the moment it adopts a less restrictive license
[20:15] <superfly> Trixar_za: true enough. working with Qt/C++ is a dream compared to GTK
[20:16] <superfly> so I'm not surprised everyone is jumping on the band wagon since the less restrictive licensing
[20:17] <Trixar_za> Should make the KDE fans happy at least. Most don't like the changes to the latest KDE
[20:17] <superfly> what changes are you talking about?
[20:17] <Trixar_za> Much like the GTK community doesn't like the direction GNOME is taking :P
[20:18] <Trixar_za> Couple of months ago they made some major changes to KDE. A part of the community didn't like the direction it was heading.
[20:18] <Trixar_za> So they started looking for alternatives
[20:19] <Trixar_za> This is from memory though
[20:19] <Trixar_za> It was why SliTaz started working on a Qt version
[20:19] <inetpro> Trixar_za: I'm not sure what you're referring to there
[20:20] <inetpro> that may have been like 3 years ago?
[20:20] <Trixar_za> pankso (SliTaz's Creator) mentioned it a year ago, so maybe
[20:21] <inetpro> AFAIK kde is on a pretty stable path at the moment 
[20:22] <inetpro> Nokia gave us a bit of a knock and then Canonical also became less serious about kde but all those have made kde stronger IMHO
[20:28] <magespawn> how is nokia involved? Qt?
[20:29] <Trixar_za> Nokia created Qt
[20:29] <Trixar_za> I think
[20:29] <Trixar_za> or did they just own the license? :P
[20:32] <inetpro> hmm... if I remember correctly they bought qt before they dropped the bomb to join MS
[20:33] <superfly> Trixar_za: no, Trolltech created Qt. Nokia bought Trolltech. Mr MS joined Nokia and started steering Nokia down the path to destruction, and Nokia sold off Qt to Digia.
[20:33] <superfly> Before Mr MS joined, and just after Nokia bought Trolltech, Nokia LGPLed Qt
[20:33] <inetpro> Trolltech was founded by Eirik Chambe-Eng and Haavard Nord on 4 March 1994
[20:33] <Trixar_za> Oh fun
[20:34] <Trixar_za> No wonder so many people were worried about the future of Qt
[20:34] <magespawn> had a look at it when nokia had it, thought they were going to us it for their phones
[20:34] <inetpro> luckily they did the LGPL at the right time
[20:35] <inetpro> On 28 January 2008, Nokia Corporation announced that they had entered into an agreement that Nokia would make a public voluntary tender offer to acquire Trolltech
[20:35] <inetpro> Nokia sold the commercial licensing business of Qt to Digia on March 2011
[20:36] <superfly> magespawn: they were going to, until Mr MS joined
[20:37] <superfly> Trixar_za: I think the project you're thinking of is the Trinity Desktop, which is a fork of KDE 3 when KDE 4 came out and people decided they didn't like the direction KDE was going in
[20:37] <superfly> similar to Gnome 2 and Gnome 3/Shell
[20:37] <magespawn> wonder at the choices sometimes
[20:38] <inetpro> the whole Mr MS saga makes me sick!
[20:39] <inetpro> I think those R&D guys at Nokia where in a very good position to come with something amazing just before he joined
[20:39] <Trixar_za> It's a FLOSS thing. There will always be a group going in another direction to the main group.
[20:39] <superfly> As of Qt 5.2, anyone who doesn't choose Qt must be braindead. Write your app in Qt, deploy it to Symbian, Windows Phone (I think), Android, and desktop
[20:39] <superfly> where desktop = Windows, Linux, OS X, FreeBSD, etc.
[20:40] <Trixar_za> Yeah, even I considered Qt a while back
[20:40] <Trixar_za> But I don't know C++ well nor do I like it that much :P
[20:40] <magespawn> i still like their designs and specs, os aside
[20:42] <magespawn> need to able to flash the lumia 980 to android
[20:46] <magespawn> good night all
[20:48] <inetpro> good night magespawn
[20:51] <Kilos> night magespawn 
[20:56] <inetpro> superfly: how stable is Kubuntu 13.04 now?
[20:56] <Kilos> inetpro: gaan slaap now
[20:57] <inetpro> Kilos: hoekom?
[20:57] <superfly> inetpro: it seems fairly stable
[20:57] <superfly> never had any serious problems
[20:57]  * inetpro is nog lekker wakker
[20:57] <Kilos> sjoe
[20:58] <inetpro> Kilos: hoe later dit word hoe moeilikker word dit om te gaan slaap
[20:58] <Kilos> lol
[20:58] <Kilos> amper wget tyd
[20:58] <inetpro> probleem is om in die oggend wakker te word
[20:59] <Kilos> ya
[21:00] <superfly> long past time for me to go to bed
[21:00] <superfly> bye
[21:00] <inetpro> good night superfly
[21:00] <Kilos> night superfly 
[21:04] <Kilos> night all , sleep tight
[21:06] <Kilos> whew 13.04 is 794 meg
[21:06] <Kilos> night