[00:00] <wilee-nilee> users*
[00:00] <gustav> OerHeks: Do you know how to use the new nVidia driver? It isn't actually new, but it doesn't need bumblebee.
[00:00] <OerHeks> gustav, i do not, unfortunatly, i run nvidia GT430
[00:01] <reduz> wilee-nilee, found people having success to different degrees on the forums, but nothing worked so far for me on anything they tried
[00:01] <reduz> so, so far, I just can't use ubuntu on the notebook.. despite working fine and regognizing all the hardware
[00:01] <OerHeks> gustav did you check out the #bumblebee channel here on #freenode?
[00:01] <wilee-nilee> reduz, Did you make a thread?
[00:01] <gustav> OerHeks: Nope. I might give up and try it later.
[00:02] <reduz> wilee-nilee, I'd do that, but at this point I don't want to try more stuff out as i don't want to screw up the windows partition like it happened before
[00:02] <gustav> OerHeks: I've been there before.
[00:02] <reduz> i was wondering, maybe 13.10 fixed uefi or something
[00:02] <reduz> er, 13.04
[00:02] <wilee-nilee> reduz, There is only one user there that I would trust, they are a mod and you will see them in any uefi thread.
[00:03] <wilee-nilee> that's a hint
[00:03] <reduz> wilee-nilee, ok
[00:04] <reduz> wilee-nilee, thanks for the info! I can't beleive microsoft made it so difficult to install alternate operating systems
[00:04] <subman> I've added quite a few desktop environments to my Ubuntu 13.04 machine and now there are too many to be shown on the login screen and there is no scrolling to be able to see them.  Is this a bug?
[00:06] <fragolari> ciao ciuccia bigoli
[00:06] <fragolari> vi piace prenderlo ar culo?
[00:06] <plainsMkr> my laptop was stolen that had my ssh priv key on it - that's been taken care of
[00:07] <Flmullers> Ubuntu е несомнено најдобриот
[00:07] <plainsMkr> but i'm trying get a new key workinging and for someone reaon i remember the ubuntu athorizied_keys fie had to be a specific format
[00:07] <Flmullers> Тоа педерче тука?
[00:07] <plainsMkr> i'm getting in puttygen for widows
[00:07] <wilee-nilee> reduz, Part of the problem is the manufactures have their own tweaked versions, so it becomes a hit and miss situation to get it done right for any specific computers at times.
[00:07] <plainsMkr> *genning
[00:09] <mkadin> My laptop won't detect its own screen when I boot it with an external connected...any ideas on how to debug?
[00:09] <plainsMkr> no end chars, or soething like that - any knoe?
[00:09] <Flmullers> kks
[00:11] <pseudonymous> Quick question - I've installed ubuntu via debootstrap and installed the os onto /dev/md1 -- At the end, do I just type 'grub-install /dev/md1', you think ? Both drives in /dev/md1 are mirrored and both have in their partition table a 1024K BIOS boot partition
[00:13] <SecretFire> can someone help? ubuntu won't recognize my iphone
[00:16] <nezzario> is ubuntu upgradable between releases the same as debian?
[00:16] <nezzario> 12.10 -> 13.04 just requires apt-get update upgrade dist-upgrade ?
[00:17] <subman> nezzario, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/ReleaseNotes?action=show&redirect=RaringRingtail%2FTechnicalOverview
[00:17] <subcool> ANyone... to any of my questsions. In fear of being flamed for asking tooo quickly..
[00:17] <rickborn> 289Shelby
[00:17] <wisey> can you help me get ubuntu for PowerPC?
[00:18] <SecretFire> how can I mount a device I see in lsusb?
[00:18] <subman> wisey, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCDownloads/
[00:18] <KurtKraut> What is the application name of the system configuration tools? I'm stuck in a Gnome session where compiz and Unity are not running. I need to change my NVIDIA driver and I what to call that system configuration app from gnome-terminal.
[00:18] <airtonix> SecretFire: you have to be sure it's a block device first
[00:18] <SecretFire> airtonix : It is a iphone
[00:19] <nezzario> subman: so it just has it's own pkg for upgrading?
[00:19] <airtonix> SecretFire: thats nice, but doesn't mean what you see in lsusb is a block device.
[00:20] <airtonix> SecretFire: I assume you're trying to access files on your internal storage ?
[00:20] <SecretFire> airtonix : yes, the photos on the iphone, here is lsusb output http://paste.ubuntu.com/5602870/
[00:20] <wisey> subman :: This is my machine => http://everymac.com/ultimate-mac-lookup/?search_keywords=PLX
[00:21] <wisey> subman :: what do you recommend
[00:21] <airtonix> SecretFire: have you tried this page yet? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PortableDevices/iPhone
[00:21] <subman> wisey, unfortunately I can only help you find the information.  I've never had a chance to personally use a powerpc machine.
[00:22] <SecretFire> airtonix : that doesn't seem to help me mount it
[00:23] <KurtKraut> Could anyone tell me the name of that application? My Unity is broken, I need to run it calling from gnome-terminal. Here is a screenshot: http://blog.sudobits.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/system-settings-ubuntu1110.jpg
[00:28] <subman> wisey, check here, you might be able to find something about compatibility.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/Apple_Macintosh
[00:29] <subman> wisey, this one seems close to your hardware (without being familiar with Apple products of course) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/ApplePowerbookG4_15in_1.25GHz
[00:32] <trism> kurtkraut: gnome-control-center
[00:34] <subcool> Ok- SO anyone. Im having issues with my ubuntu system. Its segmentfaulting nearly everything i have to use. THen. i was curious on why i cant "Stream" a movie from one of my computers to another using Samba. THird. Whats a great compression to use? im trying to compress useless pictures and videos. But- i dont see much gain from compressing them.
[00:34] <harris> i typed sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer and no error but wifi not showing up it worked with this code in 12.04
[00:36] <harris> i typed sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer and no error but wifi not showing up it worked with this code in 12.04
[00:36] <harris> and 12.10
[00:36] <Fishscene> subcool: You aren't going to see much gain at all from compressing pictures and videos because they are already compressed and optimized for the file. A generic "zip" compression isn't going to help much.
[00:36] <harris> anyone
[00:37] <Fishscene> subcool: Have you tried re-installing Ubuntu from scratch?
[00:38] <Fishscene> With SAMBA, there is no "streaming" per-say. Are you saying that, when you access a media file on another computer (over SAMBA), that it will not play? Or it has buffer underruns? or..?
[00:38] <subcool> Fishscene, lol - no i havent trid to reinstall the system yet. lol - im saving that for last.
[00:38] <harris> please help me
[00:39] <subcool> Fishscene, yea, for samba. - nothing with buffer or underruns or anything.
[00:39] <Rolenun> Does anyone know when Citrix ICA Client will have the patch available? I know it's day 1 hehe, maybe in two weeks?
[00:39] <harris> please help me
[00:39] <Fishscene> harris: Unfortunately, with IRC, you have to be patient as people will randomly and voluntarily address/ignore your issue. Your best bet is to keep looking into it and ask various questions as you go along.
[00:39] <subcool> harris, you have the same issue i had?
[00:39] <Fishscene> Rolenun: Might want to ask Citrix about that. or a reseller.
[00:40] <harris> what is yours
[00:40] <harris> wilee-nilee, please please please help me
[00:40] <Rolenun> Fishscene: I would, but the patched version is maintained thru the community help wiki. the official client from Citrix has always been borked :)
[00:40] <subcool> harris, my dmesg was going nuts with wifi issues.. so - i followed some guide .. i might still have
[00:41] <subcool> harris, but it said the same as yours. - Did you uninstall something?
[00:41] <harris> what dmesg
[00:41] <Rolenun> Fishscene: Each client release, some good samaritan patches it :)
[00:41] <subcool> harris, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1114281
[00:41] <Fishscene> Rolenun: lol. Fair enough. Virtualized clients on Linux has, for whatever reason, been terrible.
[00:41] <subcool> harris, dmesg is where a lot of the errors post during the functioning of the system.
[00:42] <harris> how do i run that
[00:42] <subcool> harris, sudo apt-get install pastebinthis
[00:42] <subcool> harris, you type dmesg - but it floods your screen
[00:42] <dank101> hi
[00:42] <subman> harris, dos this link help any?  http://www.howopensource.com/2012/10/install-broadcom-b43-legacy-wireless-driver-in-ubuntu-12-10-12-04/
[00:42] <Fishscene> The "pastebinthis" package allows you to dump the output of commands (dmesg) directly to pastebin so others can easily see what you see
[00:43] <cameronpeterson> how to i update ubuntu 13 alpha to the official release
[00:43] <harris> so sudo apt-get install dmesg
[00:43] <subcool> no- dmesg is apart of yoru system
[00:43] <subcool> pastebinthis is an app- which will make this easier
[00:43] <harris> so sudo apt-get install pastebinthis
[00:43] <harris> then what
[00:44] <subcool> dmeg |pastebinthis
[00:44] <subcool> dmesg |pastebinthis
[00:44] <harris> E: Unable to locate package pastebinthis
[00:44] <subcool> ugh
[00:44] <Fishscene> Is it called "pastebinit"?
[00:44] <subcool> you dont have interenet on that machine do you
[00:44] <harris> i do ethernet
[00:44] <Rolenun> Fishscene: Yeah, I generally dont upgrade Ubuntu until the patch is released on the wiki. Unfortunately, remote windows sessions are still needed :D
[00:44] <subcool> Fishscene, good call
[00:45] <subcool> my smartass subconsious stepped in
[00:45] <harris> pastebinit worked
[00:45] <subcool> yeah- my bad
[00:45] <harris> dmesg |pastebinit
[00:45] <harris> right
[00:46] <subcool> harris, now copy/paste what it printed
[00:46] <harris> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5602917/
[00:46] <harris> no errors
[00:47] <Daditos> hi, I'm following this guide to use ATI legacy drivers 13.1 (http://dottech.org/105987/how-to-install-amd-13-1-legacy-drivers-on-ubuntu-13-04-guide/comment-page-1/) and I'm stuck at find the version.h file  (in the locations pointed out by the article.  I did something similar for 12.10 and it worked fine but I don't remember this step.  Any ideas? other ways to do what I'm trying to do (I've already downgraded to xorg 1.2)?
[00:47] <subcool> harris, well you dont have my issue
[00:47] <mernilio> Why paste? You only do it for a 14 year old lamer with no experience or nothing.
[00:48] <subcool> harris, im a bit curious on why it goes from 23. to 467 ---
[00:48] <Fishscene> g2g. Good luck folks!
[00:49] <subcool> harris, ok.. well yea- no errors..
[00:49] <subcool> so y are you trying to install that file?
[00:49] <mernilio> Folks? call me mister mernilo!
[00:49] <harris> so why isnt it showing up in network applet
[00:49] <mernilio> and bow when you say it!
[00:50] <harris> wilee-nilee,
[00:50] <subcool> wilee-nilee, yea- please add ur awesome 2 cents..
[00:50] <Daditos> well, I'll avoid the article and just follow the repos launchpad instructions as per https://launchpad.net/~makson96/+archive/fglrx
[00:50] <subcool> harris, i was having wifi issues, and i used the link i provided to fix it
[00:50] <mernilio> That is the proper way to say tada to say godbuy!
[00:50] <subcool> which just so happen to install the same file ur trying to
[00:50] <lduros> hi I'm running the linux kernel 3.8 in ubuntu because it addresses certain issues. But now I'm trying to install virtualbox and I can't because DKMS fails
[00:51] <harris> it worked in 12.10
[00:51] <subcool> lduros, ha - try running vmware :/
[00:51] <lduros> or rather, I get * No suitable module for running kernel found
[00:51] <lduros> subcool: ok, i'll try vmware then
[00:51] <lduros> never tried
[00:51] <subcool> i was joking
[00:51] <lduros> ah, ok
[00:51] <Rigorm0rtis> Okay, so say I'm using UFW with dynamic IPs. How do I allow $LOCAL_NET, specifically with an IPv6 connection where $LOCAL_NET may change.
[00:51] <subcool> i moved to vbox because vmware is full of #$@
[00:52] <subcool> lduros id goto #vbox
[00:52] <lduros> ok thanks
[00:52] <harris> sudo apt-get remove --purge bcmwl-kernel-source
[00:52] <harris> sudo apt-get install linux-firmware-nonfree
[00:52] <harris> then reboot
[00:52] <subcool> harris, where did u get that- and for what?
[00:52] <subcool> harris, that has nothing to do with the applet
[00:53] <harris> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1997880
[00:53] <stevenroose> quick question, how well-supported by ubuntu is the Dell XPS 15?
[00:53] <stevenroose> I'm looking for a top laptop for using with Ubuntu
[00:53] <stevenroose> the dell xps looks great
[00:53] <stevenroose> any alternative Ubuntu-supporting laptops?
[00:54] <harris> system 76 preinstalled
[00:54] <stevenroose> i hate their trackpad
[00:54] <stevenroose> sorry
[00:54] <harris> and try to get one without broadcom wifi
[00:54] <subcool> harris, did u install b43-fwcutter
[00:54] <harris> yes
[00:54] <stevenroose> I'm using a macbook now (with ubuntu) and I really want a good trackpad in my next laptop
[00:54] <stevenroose> dell's are fine I believe
[00:54] <subcool> Nothing shows up under tha applet?
[00:55] <McGurk> I've just upgraded to 13.04 and for my main user, Unit doesn't load. I've added from te terminal a secondary user to my desktop and I can log in with it and use Unity fine. Anyone have a clue on what might be happening?
[00:55] <harris> im trying those commands
[00:55] <harris> sudo apt-get remove --purge bcmwl-kernel-source
[00:55] <harris> sudo apt-get install linux-firmware-nonfree
[00:55] <harris> brb restarting
[00:56] <DummyBook> Who knows how to install Tweepy on osx? from its python source/
[00:56] <jatakk> DummyBook: Why are you asking in #ubuntu?
[00:57] <DummyBook> jatakk: well its unix based terminal, same instructions i figure
[01:02] <harris> those two codes worked
[01:02] <harris> how do i restart nautilus
[01:03] <trism> harris: nautilus --quit
[01:03] <harris> is that it
[01:03] <trism> well, then you'd need to start it again
[01:03] <loculinux> hola
[01:03] <harris> with what
[01:04] <c2tarun> Canonical is doing great job in making Unity faster and smoother, but why can't they make it less resource hungry? with 30 mins of video streaming on Ubuntu my laptops temp was well over 80 degree Celsius
[01:04] <harris> subcool,
[01:04] <Highlander4fun> how i stop x server on ubuntu 11.04???
[01:04] <loculinux> como ven el sistemas es bueno
[01:04] <harris> trism, how do i start again
[01:05] <trism> harris: just nautilus, or start it from the launcher
[01:05] <subcool> subcool, hey
[01:05] <subcool> ok- i missed something
[01:06] <evbogue>  if I install Ubuntu 13 on my Macbook Pro will I brick it?
[01:06] <subcool> evbogue, sounds like a headache- y not something... stable?
[01:07] <evbogue> subcool: I'm debating whether I should attempt the install or not
[01:08] <Rolenun> he's got a brick mooooooouse, he's mighty mighty! letting it all burn out.....
[01:09] <Rolenun> :D
[01:10] <wilee-nilee> evbogue, I assume you can image that computer to a external, do that and you can be safe.
[01:10] <evbogue> wilee-nilee: good idea
[01:10] <subcool> evbogue, good luc? - lol
[01:11] <wilee-nilee> evbogue, Funny many come to the IRC without basic insurance of a reload option. ;)
[01:12] <subcool> no one has a backup, unless they have lost everything before.
[01:12] <evbogue> wilee-nilee: well I'm not so worried about losing everything. However, I am wondering if anyone has any success yet in installing the new version on a Macbook Pro
[01:12] <subcool> evbogue, virtualize it?
[01:14] <wilee-nilee> evbogue, I see here some info, I did not read through it though. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu1304_apple_osx1083&num=1
[01:15] <wilee-nilee> some here on  macpro http://askubuntu.com/questions/274149/trying-to-install-13-04-or-12-04-or-12-10-on-macbook-pro-2010-with-17-display
[01:20] <hays> what's the thing after quantal called?
[01:20] <sonOfRa> raring ringtail
[01:20] <quijote_desert> exactly
[01:20] <hays> so for sources.list its ... ringtail?
[01:21] <hays> I am trying to figure out if this is my new sources.list: cat /etc/apt/sources.list | sed -e 's/quantal/ringtail/g'
[01:22] <trism> hays: raring, it is always the adjective not the noun (so far anyway)
[01:22] <Quix86> I want to use a newer kernel in xubuntu, what is the newest 'stable' kernel available for ubuntu? 3.8.8?
[01:22] <hggdh> hays: replacing quantal for raring in the sources.list is not a good idea. Better to upgrade
[01:22] <jrib> Quix86: depends on your ubuntu version
[01:22] <bean> hays, dont do it that way
[01:22] <mikehaas763> This may not be the right channel for this but does anyone else have an issue with chrome on ubuntu (13.04, but it's been affecting me since 12.10) that certain hover states show random pieces of something that's like screenshot data?
[01:22] <hays> hggdh: have you done it?  can I do it over ssh without disaster
[01:23] <hays> from 12.10
[01:23] <Quix86> jrib, what command should I use to get this in terminal?
[01:23] <jrib> !version | Quix86
[01:23] <hays> the upgrade tool says its not recommended but I am lazy and don't want to walk into the other room :)
[01:23] <bean> hays, do_release_upgrade
[01:23] <bean> it'll probably work
[01:23] <Quix86> jrib it's 12.10 derived
[01:23] <hggdh> hays: I used -- *always use* 'sudo do-release-upgrade'
[01:24] <bean> oh yeah, dashes not _
[01:24] <bean> s
[01:24] <mikehaas763> .. it seems like it's always hover state of buttons that are for click to copy
[01:24] <Quix86> jrib would it be 3.6.3 then?
[01:24] <quijote_desert> mmmmhhh, i don't think its a good idea. But if you have a test computer there will be no problem
[01:25] <hays> my desktop ubuntu machine is kind of disposable. nothing on it that isn't somewhere else
[01:25] <hays> so even if I had to nuke the partition.. i could easily recover
[01:25] <hays> thank you git
[01:26] <rubic> Err http://security.ubuntu.com raring-security/universe Translation-en_GB this message came up (amongst others) while upgrading to raring ringtail via do-release-upgrade -d is that an issue?
[01:29] <OerHeks> "do-release-upgrade -d" is for the development version
[01:30] <subcool> how do you clear your ram?
[01:30] <subcool> i've got like .8gig being used.. it should be that high.
[01:30] <subcool> shouldnt*
[01:30] <OerHeks> subcool, look at the processes with top or htop
[01:31] <jrib> subcool: why do you care?
[01:31] <jrib> Quix86: would what be 3.6.3?
[01:31] <marco__> hi
[01:32] <Quix86> jrib, would 3.6.3 be the newest stable kernel I can use on a ubuntu 12.10 derived distro (xubuntu)?
[01:32] <MadMurkaa> I have a mail server that isn't working. I beleieve it to be a networking problem. How can I check whether there is an SMTP service listening on port 25?
[01:32] <MadMurkaa> believe
[01:33] <usr13> MadMurkaa: nmap
[01:33] <Rolenun> MadMurkaa: http://www.mxtoolbox.com/diagnostic.aspx ;)
[01:33] <usr13> MadMurkaa: nmap -p 25 ###.###.##.#
[01:33] <OerHeks> MadMurkaa, lsof -i :25  or netstat -an | grep ":25"
[01:34] <guest-Io6jvl> Hello, I have finished install  version, but my unit does not work. In guest account is ok, but in my account does not work! I use Ati radeon 6790
[01:34] <jrib> Quix86: why do you say 3.6.3?  I see 3.5.0 in official repositories for 12.10.   Also, why do you keep saying "12.10 derived" instead of "12.10"?
[01:35] <subcool> jrib, because - i ony have 2gig.. :/
[01:35] <subcool> OerHeks, i use top, but- i dont get to see the processes using the most about of ram. Never tried Htop though
[01:35] <quidnunc> How do I determine which UID a service run as? i.e. 'sudo service nginx start'
[01:35] <jrib> subcool: so you have 1.2 gig free.  RAM is to be used.  Free RAM is wasted ram
[01:35] <dfrey> Are there any serious issues I should be aware of before I upgrade to 13.04 (from 12.10)?
[01:35] <jrib> !notes | dfrey
[01:35] <Quix86> jrib I was looking at this link http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ also like I said in my above post I'm using xubuntu, not ubuntu vanilla
[01:35] <bean> now, is it being used, or is it cached.
[01:35] <bean> the ram that is.
[01:35] <marco__> I have a question about gksudo. I know sudo use tty_tickets. I want that when I run an application with a keyboard shortcut using sudo, it always use the same terminal (so sudo doesn't ask always for a password)
[01:35] <usr13> MadMurkaa: On the server itself you might do:  netstat -pantu |grep :25
[01:36] <subcool> jrib, its more than im willing to explain.
[01:36] <jrib> Quix86: xubuntu and ubuntu use the same repositories.  That link is for a ppa -- not from the official repositories
[01:36] <jrib> !ram | subcool
[01:36] <share> wow this is amazing http://www.ubuntu.com/tour/en/
[01:36] <rubic> Oerheks ;o so if its the development version what should I be using?
[01:36] <s5fs> !help
[01:37] <jrib> subcool: you shouldn't be concerned about ram usage unless you're running out of it (and you're not)
[01:37] <subcool> jrib, calm ur jets
[01:37] <subcool> i am concerned.. and thats my prerogative
[01:37] <Quix86> jrib well I'm already on 3.5.0, I'd like to use 3.6+ since it supports hybrid hibernation, but I'm not sure if I can use it without everything breaking or not
[01:38] <Unity-problem> My sidebar, after update does not work. I use Ati radeon 6790.
[01:38] <bean> subcool, what is the output of "free -m"
[01:38] <rubic> OOOH after checking the manpage I can see that devel release stands for development release. thanks anyway
[01:38] <jrib> Quix86: use PPAs at your own risk (but it should be ok to use what you linked and you should just keep the old kernel installed too so if something goes horribly wrong you can just pick the old one at the grub loading screen)
[01:38] <subcool> OerHeks, thanks.. nice app
[01:38] <jrib> subcool: I'm just trying to inform you about memory usage so that you don't waste your time
[01:39] <Quix86> jrib will it create a new grub option for the different kernel when I update it, or will I have to enter some command on boot?
[01:39] <subcool> bean i could pastebin it- but there really is no point.. -
[01:39] <jrib> Quix86: an entry will be created automatically once you install the new kernel
[01:40] <subcool> Its pretty simple, im about to watch a movie, and i want to be able to run something in the background. But- if i do- it pushes into swap, and everything laggs out
[01:40] <bean> subcool, sure there is, please do and i'll attempt to explain to you.
[01:40] <s5fs> I need help getting bluetooth working. Ubuntu 12.04, Dell XPS 15, Intel 6235 bluetooth/wifi.
[01:40] <subcool> bean http://paste.ubuntu.com/5603040/
[01:41] <Quix86> jrib oki, and "mkdir > wget > dpkg > update grub" is the correct way to do all of this?
[01:41] <F41L> Using mint, anyone have an idea as to what package the "Network Settings" button on the Cinnamon bar is? I think I need to purge it and reinstall.
[01:41] <bean> so, you'
[01:41] <jrib> Quix86: no, just add the ppa and use apt-get
[01:41] <jrib> !ppa | Quix86
[01:41] <usr13> subcool: You should do comparisons of memory management (OS vs OS).
[01:41] <Raptor05> F41L: You can always go to irc.spotchat.org #LinuxMint for support
[01:41] <rubic> the translation stuff on `do-release-upgrade` is still coming up with err. Any help would be appreciated.
[01:42] <jrib> Quix86: erm, unless the kernel ppa does something weird
[01:42] <nevyn> s5fs: what's the problem?
[01:42] <karjala> How do we make Pidgin appear in the system tray on 13.04?
[01:42] <F41L> raptoros, they didn't likey jokes
[01:42] <bean> subcool, so, 497 of that 1256 that is being used is cached. That means that it is not really being used and is just stuff from recently open programs that will free itself up when needed.
[01:42] <s5fs> nevyn: in a nutshell, my system does not see the bluetooth device when I launch the Bluetooth application.
[01:42] <karjala> I installed docker but no luck
[01:43] <Quix86> jrib: http://goo.gl/QxcYn is what I am going by, the URLs in the examples are outdated though
[01:43] <Raptor05> F41L: Too bad...they need a sense of humor
[01:43] <nevyn> s5fs: do you have a bluetooth hci in the laptop?
[01:43] <nevyn> intel 6235 is a wifi chipset.
[01:43] <jrib> Quix86: if they don't actually provide a repository, then sure just install the .deb as you said earlier.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds might be more recent (or not)
[01:44] <s5fs> nevyn: bluetooth should be built-in, it worked under windows.
[01:44] <harris> ubuntu 13.04 says battery not present but it is
[01:44] <nevyn> is it on?
[01:44] <nevyn> is the device discoverable ?
[01:44] <harris> wilee-nilee,
[01:44] <s5fs> nevyn: I do not have a separate control for bluetooth but have toggled wifi separately. it doesn't seem to help.
[01:44] <Raptor05> harris: 13.04 was just released today...you should expect a few bugs
[01:44] <subcool> bean its ok, i basically get it.
[01:45] <subcool> harris, doing better?
[01:45] <harris> i need my battery though
[01:45] <s5fs> nevyn: hcitool dev shows nothing
[01:45] <harris> subcool, yeah but battery not reconized
[01:45] <harris> subcool can we pm i have something for you
[01:45] <subcool> your battery is not recognized!?!?
[01:45] <harris> nope
[01:46] <nevyn> s5fs: that smells like it's off.
[01:46] <Raptor05> help quit
[01:46] <harris> can we subcool
[01:46] <Quix86> PMs are for hardcore yiff action
[01:46] <Quix86> don't do it subcool
[01:46] <s5fs> nevyn: maybe so, but I'm unsure how to switch it on.
[01:47] <share> guys
[01:47] <subcool> lol -
[01:47] <share> UBuntu download page links are messed up
[01:47] <subcool> ok
[01:47] <share> i choose the newest + 64bit and takes me to 32 + lts ...
[01:47] <subcool> i've seen a few spammer come through looking to pm- what do they get from the pm session?
[01:47] <share> even with cookies enabled
[01:47] <harris> subcool, yes or no
[01:47] <subcool> harris, nah. i keep forgetting about it anyways
[01:48] <harris> real quick
[01:48] <share> it should be this link http://www.ubuntu.com/start-download?distro=desktop&bits=64
[01:48] <subcool> harris, what r u trying to show me?
[01:48] <OerHeks> share known issue >>> http://askubuntu.com/questions/276297/why-does-ubuntu-give-the-wrong-download-link-to-people-who-dont-donate
[01:48] <share> ok
[01:48] <harris> i will get yelled at about offtopic so come to #harris
[01:49] <harris> you said you might have to do a reinstall right subcool
[01:50] <s5fs> nevyn: any thoughts on how to enable bluetooth or confirm that the device is present but turned off? the function keys don't appear to work.
[01:50] <OerHeks> share, use torrents, faster then ftp atm
[01:50] <share> OerHeks: im getting full speed no worry the only difference is that with ftp i need checksum
[01:50] <Deihmos1> is the new upcoming version still slow and buggy?
[01:51] <harris> OerHeks, 13.04 doesnt recognize my battery
[01:51] <subcool> harris, yea- supposedly- i doubt ill let it get that far. ill see in a bit.
[01:51] <Quix86> deihmos1 new versions are always slow and buggy, please refer to mac OS 7.7 if you want speed and stability
[01:51] <harris> so back up your stuff here http://db.tt/huZfKHd2 make a account and download dropbox app
[01:52]  * wilee-nilee fud flag goes up
[01:52] <OerHeks> harris, you know spam if not allowed on freenode.
[01:52] <harris> i not trying to help him backup his stuff
[01:52] <harris> and can you please help me
[01:53]  * Quix86 stands back as not to get hit by any banhammers
[01:53] <subcool> i back my stuff up locally
[01:53] <harris> ok
[01:53] <Quix86> I have my network back my files up automatically. I haven't lost files in years! - Steve Jobs, 1998ish
[01:53] <harris> ubuntu 13.04 says battery not present but it is
[01:57] <subcool> bbl  - im bored
[01:57] <Quix86> subcool link me to sum dat porn ty
[01:57] <IdleOne> !language | Quix86
[01:57] <subcool> Quix86, only the good stuff- ;)
[01:58] <nevyn> s5fs: umm it looks like it might be broken...
[01:58] <s5fs> nevyn: please define "broken"
[01:58] <Quix86> I find the word 'professional' to be offensively out of place in an IRC channel
[01:58]  * Quix86 shrugs 
[01:58] <joshl> I'm new and needing some assistance. My wifi connection on 12.10 only stays connected for about a half hour, then I have to restart my computer before it comes back up.
[01:58] <Oddity> Enterprise Quality
[01:59] <joshl> I've also tried to uninstall then install 12.04 to see if there was any change and nothing.
[01:59] <s5fs> nevyn: I mean, are you finding references that the device isn't supported? that would be good to know, haha!
[01:59] <joshl> Now it's worse. I can't even download simple things from the software center. I keep getting package dependencies error
[02:02] <joshl> Is support/help offered here?
[02:04] <Quix86> How do I get ubuntu to enable my swap partition on startup? For whatever reason it does not do this by default and I am not able to use hibernation because of it
[02:07] <bean> Quix86, its likely in your fstab
[02:08] <Quix86> !fstab
[02:08] <OerHeks> Quix86, did you creat the swap yourself?
[02:09] <Quix86> OerHeks, yes
[02:09] <wisey> How do I create a usb linux installer on a mac?
[02:09] <wisey> on usb
[02:09] <wisey> flash drive
[02:09] <OerHeks> then it might be too small, minimal is your ram + something, let the installer do that.
[02:09] <Quix86> OerHeks, it's large enough
[02:10] <Quix86> OerHeks, I can do some command to hibernate but when the system reboots it starts up normally because it can't find the hibernation file
[02:10] <F41L> Ok, anywho.. the linuxmint guys are all miffed I cracked some jokes and don't welcome me anylonger. I'm having the strangest of issues with my network stuffage. Anyone happen to know what package the "network settings" entry on the cinnamon menu in linux mint is associated with? I need to purge and reinstall it >.<
[02:10] <KommaH> Hey everyone
[02:10] <Quix86> f41l mint sucks, use ubuntu
[02:10] <Quix86> I like xubuntu
[02:10] <hazardous> how can i install ia32-libs?
[02:10] <F41L> Unity sucks.
[02:10] <hazardous> The following packages have unmet dependencies: ia32-libs : Depends: ia32-libs-multiarch
[02:10] <Quix86> yes unity does suck, use xubuntu or kubuntu
[02:10] <Quix86> or use debian
[02:10] <F41L> and linux mint for all intents and purposes, IS ubuntu
[02:10] <hazardous> i am on 12.04lts
[02:11] <KommaH> Is there a way I can set KDE in Kubuntu to only display the desktop background, nothing else, when logging in as a user?
[02:11] <Quix86> f41l but it breaks more often
[02:11] <F41L> quite possibly
[02:11] <F41L> But Cinnamon is the sexyness.
[02:11] <Quix86> I prefer xfce, when I used mint it was alright but when you try changing things it just breaks more and more
[02:11] <Quix86> I finally gave up and deleted the whole mess
[02:12] <F41L> I honestly think it was my fault when I treid to install fprintd and some custom drivers to drive my vf5011
[02:12] <F41L> may have shennanigan-ized my network management.
[02:14] <zgudino> hey some quick words
[02:14] <zgudino> congrats to canonical and the open source community
[02:14] <Ziber> So, I have 4x2 workspaces on my laptop (running 12.04, btw) and occasionally I connect it to my TV to use an external monitor. I don't like the default behavior of being forced to use to adjacent workspaces. Is there a way I can change this?
[02:14] <zgudino> of course the ubuntu community also :D
[02:14] <zgudino> and thats it
[02:14] <zgudino> brb
[02:14] <F41L> Quix86, debian uses dat old kernel. Unity sucks, Xubuntu is too bland, KDE panels drive me insane, gnome3 takes up too much screen realestate. Linux mint is quite delightful, and based on ubuntu just as much as ubuntu is based on Debian. Uses most of the same package repos, why can't we all get along and help me figger out mah network woes? :3
[02:15] <Quix86> Because mint breaks and I don't use it. If XFCE is bland then you require too much rice on your desktop for a healthy GUI diet
[02:15] <vivid> just to report, kernel panics in 3.8.0-19 with bcmwl and broken nvidia hdmi audio
[02:16] <Quix86> Also gnome 3 is horrific
[02:16] <F41L> xfce is just.. flat. basic. functional. I use it on my workstation to do manly things. But my nice APU laptop, I like a little transparency n shadows n stuff.
[02:16] <Quix86> xfce has transparency and shadows
[02:16] <F41L> Cinnamon is probably the best thing I've used so far.
[02:16] <F41L> The menu is like, the tits.
[02:16] <Quix86> you just have to enable composting
[02:16] <F41L> It's like KDE without being KDE
[02:16]  * wilee-nilee loves the ignore
[02:17] <Quix86> ignore is nice yeah
[02:17] <F41L> Getting mad at a friendly discussion on preference for desktop environments?
[02:17] <F41L> O.o
[02:18] <F41L> What is it with poeple that hang around in linux help channels. So friggin' touchy about the most insignificant thing.
[02:18] <F41L> Like, OMG YOU USED PASTIE INSTEAD OF PASTEBIN
[02:18] <F41L> omg you have a different opinion about something than I do!!
[02:18] <Quix86> F41L you can also install cinnamon on a regular ubuntu installation
[02:19] <F41L> That'd be nice.
[02:19] <Quix86> so the OS will actually work
[02:19] <F41L> hahah
[02:19] <F41L> I'd like to dot aht
[02:19] <OerHeks> F41L, stop the rant, you do not use ubuntu,.
[02:19] <F41L> New flavour, Cubuntu, usin' cinnamon
[02:19] <Quix86>  add-apt-repository ppa:gwendal-lebihan-dev/cinnamon-stable
[02:19] <OerHeks> !ot
[02:19] <harris> ubuntu 13.04 says battery not present but it is
[02:20] <F41L> OerHeks, I don't use ubuntu?? loooool where did you get that idea.
[02:20] <Quix86> harris define "Hardware"
[02:20] <Quix86> and ignored
[02:20] <F41L> I have numerous desktops, servers, laptops, all running some sort of ubuntu or another.
[02:20] <harris>  Fixtures, equipment, tools and devices used for general-purpose construction and repair of a structure or object.
[02:20] <JoseeAntonioR> hey guys, just did a version upgrade and unity doesn't load, any idea on why this can be happening?
[02:21] <F41L> Heck, even my nexus had ubuntu touch on it at one point.
[02:21] <F41L> Until I realized that the bit with docking wasn't included into the dev preview :(
[02:21] <F41L> My server's chassis is littered with various ubuntu stickers. Don't you dare say I don't use Ubuntu, you meanie!
[02:21] <IdleOne> F41L: This isn't a discussion channel, if you want to chat you can use #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:22] <F41L> Then maybe someone can help me and I'll stop filling the dead air with discussion?
[02:22] <harris> Quix86,  Fixtures, equipment, tools and devices used for general-purpose construction and repair of a structure or object.
[02:22] <Quix86> harris apt-get install "Context"
[02:23] <ThatOneRoadie> !help | F41L
[02:23] <Quix86> lol
[02:23] <F41L> I asked long ago.
[02:23] <F41L> ^_^
[02:23] <Quix86> !patience
[02:23] <harris> apt-get install "battery"?
[02:23] <F41L> I also didn't repeat any question either.
[02:23] <Quix86> harris define "hardware"
[02:23] <harris> i did
[02:24] <harris> Fixtures, equipment, tools and devices used for general-purpose construction and repair of a structure or object.
[02:24] <Quix86> harris define "system hardware"
 Using mint, anyone have an idea as to what package the "Network Settings" button on the Cinnamon bar is? I think I need to purge it and reinstall.
[02:24] <Quix86> and I wish I knew the commands for bug reports
[02:24] <IdleOne> mint is not supported here.
[02:24] <F41L> OerHeks, that's the one! It's the same package from a canonical repository.
[02:25] <Ziber> So, I have 4x2 workspaces on my laptop (running 12.04, btw) and occasionally I connect it to my TV to use an external monitor. I don't like the default behavior of being forced to use to adjacent workspaces. Is there a way I can change this?
[02:25] <harris> what do i type to get my battery reconized
[02:25] <F41L> Man, I feel bad about donating my money to canonical now if this is how fellow computer-goers are treated because their uname -a says something else, despite being based on said thing.
[02:25] <Quix86> harris what laptop are you using
[02:25] <ThatOneRoadie> F41L: This is #ubuntu, not #linux-mint. The Official Linux Mint support channel is #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org.
[02:26] <johnjohn1011> !release party
[02:26] <harris> hp pavilion dv6000 exactly
[02:26] <F41L> I'm ignoring you now, ThatOneRoadie, thanks.
[02:26] <wilee-nilee> !release
[02:26] <IdleOne> !mint > F41L
[02:26] <Neozonz> how do i get rid of a screen?
[02:27] <Neozonz> minimize it so to say
[02:27] <ThatOneRoadie> F41L: Sad, because a quick google of "Linux mint cinnamon package network manager" reveals: https://www.archlinux.org/packages/extra/i686/networkmanager/
[02:27] <F41L> I can spam bots at you all day too.
[02:27] <Quix86> harris and your battery works correctly under windows?
[02:27] <F41L> That's not the exact package I'm interested in, ThatOneRoadie
[02:27] <VanessaE> can someone help me work out an issue with a webcam?
[02:28] <F41L> I've already reinstalled network-manager after a purge and fixed one of my two issues.
[02:28] <SonikkuAmerica> VanessaE: What kind of an issue?
[02:28] <IdleOne> F41L: I'm tired after a very long release day. I am not really patient and I am not in the mood for putting up with a spoiled brat with a bad attitude.
[02:28] <harris> under 12.10
[02:28] <VanessaE> it worked okay in 12.04, but now the image is practically black.
[02:28] <harris> not 13.04
[02:28] <IdleOne> F41L: Mint is not supported in this channel.
[02:28] <ThatOneRoadie> To quote my Dad, "Smarten up!"
[02:28] <VanessaE> using cheese for example.  Turning up the bright/contrast just raises the image to visibility, but horrible quality
[02:29] <F41L> No one's spoiled here, IdleOne. I'm also not trying to portray a bad attitude. I love ubuntu, canonical, and donated money to the project. I also seek to help others and evangelise ubuntu to everyone I deal with.,
[02:29] <VanessaE> I think I need to change the actual hardware settings being passed to the cam, e.g. exposure and the like.
[02:29] <VanessaE> how?
[02:29] <Quix86> I will say, if I was looking for help and kept getting canned generic copypaste answers, I'd get annoyed
[02:29] <F41L> I'm simply trying to figure out a strange issue and the linux mint people are unhelpful.
[02:29] <harris> Quix86, under 12.10 yes
[02:29] <IdleOne> F41L: Great, now follow our channel rules please and seek help in the proper channel.
[02:29] <ThatOneRoadie> We support Ubuntu here. If you'd read the PM the bot sent you, it's plain as day: "Linux Mint is not a supported derivative of Ubuntu. Please seek support in #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org"
[02:29] <Quix86> but what he needs to do is drop mint and use ubuntu with his DM of choice instead of using a broken distro
[02:29] <SonikkuAmerica> VanessaE: OK, I might need a few things then... can you pastebin the output of [ lspci ]?
[02:30] <Quix86> harris I donno then, maybe try installing acpi but I really doubt that'll make any difference
[02:30] <harris> anyone
[02:30] <Ziber> So, am I just to believe that unity + external monitors is just a bad idea?
[02:30] <F41L> ThatOneRoadie, I'm +b in #linuxmint-help, just FYI
[02:30] <F41L> Cause I made some wisecracks about elderberry
[02:30] <Quix86> Ziber, I personally think unity is a bad idea in general, but that's me
[02:30] <SonikkuAmerica> F41L: You understand that the Spotchat channel is filled with humans, right? Have you tried Googling around?
[02:31] <VanessaE> SonikkuAmerica: I can't copy&paste from the affected machine right now, but if you need a specific bit of info, I can transcribe it over.
[02:31] <IdleOne> F41L: That is not our problem and does not mean you can get help here for Mint
[02:31] <Quix86> I haven't tried multiple monitors in linux yet
[02:31] <ThatOneRoadie> ^
[02:31] <Ziber> Quix86: I thought the same thing at first too, and honestly I've started to like it.
[02:31] <F41L> SonikkuAmerica, IRC is my last ditch effort.
[02:31] <F41L> I've spent 2 days googling.
[02:31] <Quix86> I'm content with xfce when it's not destroying my sessions
[02:31] <SonikkuAmerica> VanessaE: OK, go over to paste.ubuntu.com and transcribe it word-for-word then...
[02:31] <VanessaE> eek
[02:31] <Ziber> I played with different WMs for a day or so, but came back to unity. Might have to play around again.
[02:32] <SonikkuAmerica> VanessaE: If we have to get drastic... :) but at the least I need the line that your camera is listed under.
[02:32] <F41L> IdleOne, so where can I apply for my donation refund, then?
[02:32] <ThatOneRoadie> Ha
[02:32] <F41L> :3
[02:32] <SonikkuAmerica> lol
[02:32] <Quix86> I can't remember if fedora had KDE or gnome3 by default... whatever it was, it was terrible. I looked at untity and it seems to be designed to use some sort of dock on the side
[02:32] <IdleOne> F41L: ask Canonical, your donation to them does not entitle you to any help from us, especially for an unsupported derivative.
[02:33] <F41L> Course not, I was kidding.
[02:33] <Quix86> I'm very much used to using a top-taskbar layout
[02:33] <IdleOne> Well quit the kidding and stop wasting our time
[02:33] <VanessaE> SonikkuAmerica: it would be listed under lsusb, actually.  It's a Creative Webcam Live! Notebook pro (041e:4051), which appears to use the gspca/zc3xx driver
[02:33] <SonikkuAmerica> F41L: Perhaps you should just switch to Ubuntu then.
[02:33] <SonikkuAmerica> VanessaE: Didn't know it was USB. Good catch :)
[02:34] <F41L> What really gets me giggling.
[02:34] <VanessaE> SonikkuAmerica: been using Linux for about 15 years now.  Just can't figure this one out :-)
[02:34] <Ziber> Yes, Unity is dock-based. And I've gotten very used to that dock.
[02:34] <ThatOneRoadie> !ot | F41L
[02:34] <ThatOneRoadie> !ot > F41L
[02:34] <SonikkuAmerica> VanessaE: We've all run into that stage. Give me a second...
[02:34] <Quix86> Why do you guys keep spamming him the same messages?
[02:35] <ThatOneRoadie> Hammering the point across?
[02:35] <Quix86> if he didn't listen to them the first time he's not going to the next 20 times
[02:35] <IdleOne> Move on please. We got people here who actually need help with ubuntu
[02:35] <Quix86> I need to find my tab that had fstab info on it...
[02:35] <Quix86> !fstab
[02:35] <ThatOneRoadie> Quix86: I think fedora used KDE by default
[02:36] <ThatOneRoadie> I know Core 4 did, and it was a nightmare
[02:36] <Quix86> I want to say it was KDE, it was so awful that I removed fedora in about 15 min or so
[02:36] <enav1> Hello, what is the image i need to download for a 64b intel cpu ?????
[02:36] <ThatOneRoadie> enav1 : wait one
[02:36] <enav1> oh really ?
[02:36] <Quix86> lol I used core 4 when it came out, actually. I tried linux back in 2004-5 ish and core 4 and mandrake were the only distros that came close to working
[02:36] <SonikkuAmerica> VanessaE: And now for your hardware? (This is why I need [ lspci ], if you don't know what your hardware is; I'll assume you're familiar with it)
[02:36] <Quix86> I didn't like linux at the time and went back to windows
[02:37] <joshh99> Hey everyone. I updated my server to 13.04 using do-release-upgrade and all the packages appeared to update. I've also checked lsb_release -a and it shows 13.04. However, whenever I log in to my server, I'm told that there's a new version available and 494 packages to update
[02:37] <ThatOneRoadie> enav1: http://ubuntu-releases.wallawalla.edu//raring/ubuntu-13.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[02:37] <SonikkuAmerica> enav1: The amd64 image works on Intel x86-64 and x64 processors.
[02:37] <enav1> ok, i just was confused because it says AMD
[02:37] <SonikkuAmerica> enav1: The "amd64" termiage is a bit confusing though...
[02:37] <SonikkuAmerica> Yeah.
[02:38] <ThatOneRoadie> yeah, the amd64 package works on intel as well. i64 just sounds weird though :P
[02:38] <SonikkuAmerica> ThatOneRoadie: Exactly. The heck is i64. I know what i396 is...
[02:38] <Quix86> do I need to use the UUID in fstab or can I use /dev/sda?
[02:38] <joshh99> I updated my server to 13.04 using do-release-upgrade and all the packages appeared to update. I've also checked lsb_release -a and it shows 13.04. However, whenever I log in to my server, I'm told that there's a new version available and 494 packages to update. Anyone know what's going on
[02:38] <ThatOneRoadie> !patience | joshh99
[02:38] <SonikkuAmerica> joshh99: Are you on the daily build?
[02:38] <dougbb> SonikkuAmerica: hysterical raisins ... dates back to when amd was the only 64 bit version, and various FOSS developers wanted to give intel a little tweak
[02:39] <SonikkuAmerica> dougbb: Hysterical raisins? lol
[02:39] <trism> joshh99: sometimes the update info gets stale in the motd, it'll probably resolve itself eventually
[02:39] <Quix86> I asked this in debian I think, I think it counts here. If the i386 build isn't actually supported on i386 processors anymore, why isn't it called i486?
[02:39] <joshh99> I shouldn't be on a daily build. I just upgraded like 20 minutes ago as per standard update procedures -- from 12.10 to 13.04
[02:39] <SonikkuAmerica> Quix86: We got lazy.
[02:39] <Quix86> I think there are some distros that refer to it as 'i686'
[02:40] <SonikkuAmerica> Quix86: And called it for all x86 hardware.
[02:40] <Quix86> ...oh, is ubuntu supported on 68k by chance?
[02:40] <Quix86> I was just digging through the debian hardware support list a few min ago but didn't remember to look... but I didn't see it either
[02:41] <Quix86> I'd assume not
[02:41] <SonikkuAmerica> Quix86: That would be awesome; I'd flash my Palm Pilot with it...
[02:41] <JoseeAntonioR> hey guys, has anyone been having troubles with not being able to run unity in raring? I simply can't run it, says 'Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0"'
[02:41] <SonikkuAmerica> Quix86: It has a Motorola Dragonball 68k... but I'm getting a little !ot here.
[02:42] <Quix86> I was thinking more mac hardware... I've spent too much time looking up old apple laptops, and ordered a G3 powerbook that I'm gonna have to figure out how to squeeze ubuntu or deb onto
[02:42] <Quix86> Was it here or debian that I asked what bootloader is used for new world rom?
[02:42] <lemuel> exit
[02:43] <quijote_desert> quit
[02:43] <Quix86> I want to say I read somewhere that they use a different loader than x86
[02:43] <Quix86> quijote_desert, "/quit" is what you want
[02:43] <enav1> thanks for the help guys
[02:44] <quijote_desert> i'll try to write in the terminal but xchat get focus
[02:44] <quijote_desert> i made a mistake
[02:44] <SonikkuAmerica> Quix86: Maybe a PowerPC image then?
[02:44] <Iordanis> what mistake?
[02:44] <Quix86> SonikkuAmerica, that's what the install would be, but I'm not sure what bootloader it's going to use
[02:45] <Quix86> the laptop I'm getting will already have OS something on it... I think if it's OSX or newer I'll find out how to get 8.1 or 8.5 on there alongside linux
[02:45] <jordan__> Is there a way of disabling unities global menu bar without removing the actual package?
[02:45] <Noskcaj> Quix86, PowerPC uses Yaboot
[02:45] <VanessaE> SonikkuAmerica: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5603174/
[02:45] <VanessaE> sorry that took so long
[02:45] <jordan__>  Is there a way of disabling unities global menu bar without removing the actual package?
[02:45] <Quix86> also what is in charge of shutting down programs when I click shutdown in the menu, is it my window manager or something in ubuntu?
[02:45] <Quix86> thank you Noskcaj
[02:45] <VanessaE> had to get ssh up and running on the affected box.
[02:46] <jordan__> oops said that twice, my bad
[02:46] <Senor> ?
[02:46] <Senor> my harddisk is 20G , then I mount it at / , but the disk check tool tell me there is 4G available for / ,why?
[02:46] <SonikkuAmerica> VanessaE: No problem. Do you have the proprietary AMD drivers installed?
[02:46] <Quix86> senor is there a different partition for /home by chance?
[02:47] <VanessaE> SonikkuAmerica: yes.
[02:47] <Ziber> What's the command to upgrade to 13.04?
[02:47] <VanessaE> (the open source drivers are inadequate for that machine's normal use)
[02:47] <Ziber> from 12.04, that is?
[02:47] <Quix86> lol
[02:47] <quijote_desert> exit
[02:47] <Senor> Quix86:no
[02:47] <VanessaE> Ziber: you have to go through the Update Manager.
[02:47] <VanessaE> or re-install from scratch
[02:47] <SonikkuAmerica> Ziber: There isn't - you have to go through 12.10 first...
[02:47] <Quix86> senor what does gparted say?
[02:47] <SonikkuAmerica> VanessaE: Actually, yes there is?
[02:48] <SonikkuAmerica> VanessaE: It's called [ do-release-upgrade ].
[02:48] <SonikkuAmerica> Ziber: ^
[02:48] <VanessaE> SonikkuAmerica:  oh yes, forgot about that
[02:48] <SonikkuAmerica> VanessaE: Is this 12.10 or 13.04?
[02:48] <ThatOneRoadie> Ziber: 12.10 is recommended if you're going to do-release-upgrade. see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaringUpgrades
[02:48] <Ziber> Ah, right.
[02:48] <VanessaE> 13.04
[02:48] <VanessaE> just installed a few hours ago.
[02:48] <Ziber> No release found. Oh well.
[02:48] <Ziber> 12.04 is lts.
[02:48] <Ziber> works for me.
[02:49] <Senor> no enough space to use .but I only use 2G ,it report the total is 19G
[02:49] <SonikkuAmerica> Ziber: You can upgrade by messing with Software Sources.
[02:49] <Quix86> uh... the fstab page is kinda confusing. I would like my swap partition and another ext4 partition to mount on boot. How do I do this?
[02:49] <Ziber> Eh, don't care that much.
[02:49] <Ziber> Thanks though!
[02:49] <MartynKeigher> hey all…having an issue with apache default file, and every time i post something there..i get a bot response and its not helping. basically what i want to do is drop the :303 from the following URL… lab.martynkeigher.com:3030 and replace it with /mklab
[02:49] <SonikkuAmerica> Ziber: In the Updates tab, select "For any new version."
[02:49] <MartynKeigher> **i mean drop 3030…the port.
[02:50] <Ziber> Oh, look at that. :D
[02:50] <SonikkuAmerica> VanessaE: Can you use any other programs correctly with your webcam?
[02:50] <Senor> Quix86: do you mean my swap partion consume my space ?
[02:50] <Senor> how to check that ?
[02:51] <dougbb> MartynKeigher: the reason you get the bot response is that your question isn't related to ubuntu :)
[02:51] <Quix86> senor I'm wondering about my own swap partition. See if you have "gparted" install to look at your hard drive's partitions
[02:51] <SonikkuAmerica> Senor: Yes. It's like virtual memory on Windows. In GParted, search for the portion of the device labeled "swap."
[02:51] <VanessaE> SonikkuAmerica: under 12.04, cheese and skype worked fine.  Under 13.04, no programs that can access a webcam are able to produce a viable image (tried cheese, skype, gstreamer-properties)
[02:51] <SonikkuAmerica> Senor: Excuse me; I meant the virtual memory page file.
[02:51] <MartynKeigher> the URL right now is lab.martynkeigher.com:3030/mklab  but i want it to be lab.martynkeigher.com/dashing …is this do-able?
[02:51] <Quix86> SonikkuAmerica, he is saying he has something like 10-16gb missing, swap isn't going to take up that much space on a system with a 20gb hard drive
[02:51] <VanessaE> SonikkuAmerica: it's as though the driver's auto-exposure control no longer works.
[02:52] <SonikkuAmerica> VanessaE: It could be that no one has tested your camera under 13.04. After all, it's still rather new.
[02:52] <SonikkuAmerica> Quix86: Ouch.
[02:52] <Quix86> I think my webcam doesn't have auto exposure working either... but I'm not in a terribly new version of the OS
[02:52] <Quix86> I also don't have my webcam hooked up right now to check
[02:53] <Senor> SonikkuAmerica:that is memory related
[02:53] <SonikkuAmerica> Quix86: Is it a Creative Labs Live! 0250?
[02:53] <Quix86> SonikkuAmerica, no it's some off brand junk I bought for cheap a long time ago
[02:53] <Senor> SonikkuAmerica:how to verify what you say?
[02:53] <Quix86> it might have the same driver, idk
[02:53] <ThatOneRoadie> MartynKeigher: You can use VirtualHosts and ProxyPass in apache to do that I think. Check out http://apache-http-server.18135.x6.nabble.com/Virtual-Host-port-forwarding-td4763633.html
[02:53] <Quix86> senor "sudo apt-get gparted"
[02:53] <johnjohn1011> do you think ubuntu will run  on a beagle bone?
[02:53] <Birdo> Hey everyone, I've noticed that load times for web pages in 13.04 was sluggish. I go to speedtest and my download is at 5mb. On another laptop running OS X Lion right next to me, I'm getting 20mb down. What could be causing this?
[02:53] <Senor> what is that?
[02:54] <SonikkuAmerica> Senor: Actually that's [ sudo apt-get install gparted ]. It's a partition manager for storage devices.
[02:54] <SonikkuAmerica> Quix86: Oh.
[02:54] <SonikkuAmerica> !info gparted | Senor
[02:55] <Quix86> johnjohn1011, just looking at the specs it should be fast enough, but it comes down to driver support. Have you tried google?
[02:55] <SonikkuAmerica> Birdo: It could be a host of things...
[02:55] <VanessaE> SonikkuAmerica: how do I access the hardware controls for a webcam (generically)?  Is there some program for that purpose?  (v4l-gtk seems long dead)
[02:55] <AnonSudo> hi
[02:55] <AnonSudo> hi
[02:55] <Zantox> Can anyone help me with: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2138527
[02:55] <AnonSudo> i finally got my irssi to work
[02:56] <johnjohn1011> Quix86: it was just released.  i'll keep an eye out for it. thanks for the ARM support
[02:56] <sysRPL> 2 questions in 13.04 here .... 1) why isn'tF3 showing me split panes in nautilus ... and 2) typing smb://x.x.x.x (or the ip of my windows pc) is doing nothing ... why on both 1 and 2?
[02:56] <SonikkuAmerica> AnonSudo: Looks like.
[02:56] <AnonSudo> i am now an official 1337 h4x0r
[02:56] <AnonSudo> don't all congradulate me at once now
[02:56] <SonikkuAmerica> !info v4l
[02:56] <SonikkuAmerica> !info v4l-gtk
[02:57] <Birdo> SonikkuAmerica: Ridiculous. 12.04 my Internet was just fine. I don't understand how the OS could be holding my back my download speed
[02:57] <Birdo> holding back*
[02:57] <Zantox> Can anyone help me with: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2138527
[02:57] <Birdo> not only holding it back, but 1/4 of what it should be.
[02:57] <wilee-nilee> Zantox, You need to identify the graphics card/chip there and here.
[02:58] <Zantox> I don't have a graphics card
[02:58] <SonikkuAmerica> Birdo: It's possible that Ubuntu hates your network interface device, or that something's wrong inside your computer, or that... well, the other options are beyond me.
[02:58] <Zantox> I have a little tiny thing that came on my motherboard for vga, thats it
[02:58] <SonikkuAmerica> VanessaE: Good question.
[02:58] <SonikkuAmerica> Zantox: [ lspci ] should list it then...
[02:58] <Senor> how to check swap partiton's situation?
[02:58] <Birdo> SonikkuAmerica: I see, well thanks for your insight. I'll keep digging to fix this problem..
[02:58] <Zantox> when do I type that in
[02:59] <Zantox> I'm new
[02:59] <jatakk> Zantox: In a terminal window
[02:59] <wilee-nilee> Senor, situation?
[02:59] <Zantox> ok let me try that
[02:59] <SonikkuAmerica> Zantox: What jatakk said. Look for the line that says "VGA."
[03:00] <jatakk> Zantox: Run this command: lspci | grep 'VGA'
[03:00] <Senor> data
[03:00] <WhitePelican> does anyone know why facebook chat is brokem for pidgin?
[03:00] <WhitePelican> broken*
[03:00] <Senor> statics
[03:00] <Zantox> ok and to get to the terminal (because error is preventing it) I hold shift at startup then hit ctrl+x right?
[03:01] <vivid> Birdo, try an older kernel, maybe from quantal.  i had to revert to stop 3.8.0-19 from panics involving the network
[03:02] <Senor> how to check the size of my swap partition ?
[03:03] <Gallomimia> memstat usually gives you a good idea. it's listed in top also
[03:03] <SonikkuAmerica> WhitePelican: Pidgin has an answer in their FAQ.
[03:03] <SonikkuAmerica> WhitePelican: If you have any other problems involving Pidgin, try the #pidgin channel.
[03:03] <vivid> Senor, system monitor -> resources tab
[03:03] <Gallomimia> guys. how many days has 13.04 been out?
[03:03] <SonikkuAmerica> Gallomimia: Almost one.
[03:04] <ThatOneRoadie> ~0.8
[03:04] <Gallomimia> thanks
[03:04] <ubuntuaddicted> :)
[03:04] <SonikkuAmerica> XD
[03:04] <Gallomimia> i'll wait a few more before changing over a running server
[03:04] <SonikkuAmerica> Gallomimia: Why would you not use 12.04 LTS for a server?
[03:04] <Gallomimia> it is 12.04
[03:04] <Gallomimia> is 13.04 not LTS?
[03:04] <ThatOneRoadie> nope
[03:04] <SonikkuAmerica> nope
[03:04] <Gallomimia> oh.
[03:04] <SonikkuAmerica> Every 2 years.
[03:05] <dougbb> .04 releases are usually not
[03:05] <dougbb> .10 releases usually ar
[03:05] <dougbb> e
[03:05] <ThatOneRoadie> EOL on 13.04 is January `14
[03:05] <SonikkuAmerica> dougbb: Other way around.
[03:05] <Gallomimia> read topic
[03:05] <aneks> 14.04 will be LTS
[03:05] <VanessaE> HAH!  WhitePelican = my husband, the guy whose webcam I'm trying to sort out :D
[03:05] <Gallomimia> 08 10 and 12 are LTS
[03:05] <VanessaE> didn't even realize he signed on :D
[03:05] <Gallomimia> well then. that's something to think about
[03:05] <SonikkuAmerica> VanessaE: lol.
[03:05] <Birdo> Ok, this website http://test-ipv6.com/ says I'm not IPv6 ready - is this possibly why in 13.04 my Internet is slow?
[03:05] <dougbb> SonikkuAmerica: err, right
[03:05] <dougbb> strike that, reverse it
[03:06] <subcool> ok, i dont get it- some files i can stream via samba to watch instantly and others.. i get an error
[03:06] <Gallomimia> Birdo: no it shouldn't affect your speed at all
[03:06] <SonikkuAmerica> WhitePelican: I think your wife has run into a dead end with your machine's Creative Labs webcam.
[03:06] <dougbb> Birdo: that wouldn't be relevant unless you actually had ipv6
[03:06] <dougbb> Birdo: what kind of internet connection are you dealing with that is slow right now?
[03:06] <Birdo> Gallomimia, dougbb: darn, then I just don't understand.
[03:07] <Gallomimia> that's okay. ipv6 isn't much to worry about. i guess you might have a different problem
[03:07] <Birdo> dougbb: Just regular cable Internet? I've never had a problem like this with Ubuntu until 13.04.
[03:08] <dougbb> Birdo: I mean, how is your host connected?
[03:08] <dougbb> wire? wireless?
[03:08] <Senor> it report the total space used by filesystem is 99%,but I have no so many files on
[03:09] <Birdo> dougbb: Sorry, wireless.
[03:09] <usr13> Birdo: Look at output of   iwconfig  particularly signal report.
[03:09] <dougbb> Birdo: is the other host (that is going fast) also on wireless?
[03:10] <Birdo> usr13: Signal level? says -61 dBm, bit rate 5.5mb/s
[03:10] <Birdo> dougbb: yes.
[03:10] <usr13> Birdo: Link Quality?
[03:10] <dougbb> Ok ... have you checked the settings between the 2 of them?
[03:10] <Birdo> usr13: 49/70
[03:10] <franco> UEFI/Secure boot issue? - http://pastebin.com/6333yQZn
[03:10] <usr13> Try improving location
[03:11] <VanessaE> SonikkuAmerica: v4l2ucp -> turned off auto gain, turned it back on.  Set line frequency to 60 Hz.  FIXED!
[03:11] <Quix86> !fsta b
[03:11] <Quix86> !fstab
[03:11] <VanessaE> now to see if the setting stays
[03:11] <usr13> Birdo: You have weak wireless connection
[03:12] <SonikkuAmerica> VanessaE: Excellent! And, of course, persistence test time.
[03:12] <WhitePelican> brb
[03:12] <Birdo> usr13: I don't understand - both this laptop and my other laptop are sitting right next to each other. one is getting 20mb down and this one 5 mb down
[03:12] <Birdo> and earlier today on 12.04 I was just fine.
[03:12] <VanessaE> he's rebooting to see if that setting sticks.  if not, I have a file I saved that v4l2ctrl can reload that should set it.
[03:13] <usr13> Birdo: I don't know either, I only know that the signal report is not good, (have no way of knowing why).
[03:14] <Birdo> usr13: at least you got me to narrow the problem that much, I'll try to test some things out here. Thank you.
[03:14] <aszurom> Q: I have an NFS server behind a NAT firewall. What ports must I forward to the NFS server so that I can mount exports through it?  Currently I have 111, 2049, 4000-4002 but showmount -e <ip address> isn't working
[03:15] <swan1> Hello.  I am running mythbuntu 12.04.2, w/mythtv .26 and have configured audio so that it is sent to my tv via HDMI. Unfortunately, if I leave the system idle for a while (>1h) the video gets shut off and when I move the mouse/press the keyboard the HDMI audio no longer works.  If I reboot, it works again.  How do I 1) Turn off the power saving (mis)feature and 2) fix the audio issue?
[03:15] <swan1> I am running the ATI/AMD Proprietary FGLRX graphics driver.
[03:15] <SonikkuAmerica> swan1: Did you try the #mythbuntu channel?
[03:15] <franco> UEFI/Secure boot issue? - http://pastebin.com/6333yQZn
[03:17] <usr13> aszurom: Are you sure you have the right IP address?
[03:17] <swan1> SonikkuAmerica, yes, no seems to be alive there today, I have tried for about 8 hours now
[03:17] <aszurom> yes
[03:17] <aszurom> I have other mappings going through the firewall to this server, just can't get NFS to work
[03:17] <SonikkuAmerica> swan1: It uses XFCE right?
[03:17] <aszurom> SSH etc works fine
[03:17] <usr13> aszurom: Scan via nmap
[03:17] <Gabboz> Hi. Ubuntu 13.04(64 bit).  How can I move the window control buttons back to the right?  Ubuntu Tweak doesn't have that tweak in 13.04....
[03:17] <swan1> SonikkuAmerica yes
[03:18] <aszurom> it shows open
[03:18] <SonikkuAmerica> swan1: Poke around in Settings Manager...
[03:18] <SonikkuAmerica> swan1: for the power issure.
[03:18] <SonikkuAmerica> *siireusr
[03:18] <SonikkuAmerica> **ISSUE
[03:18] <usr13> aszurom: nmap -p 111 ###.###.##.#
[03:18] <aszurom> I'm wondering if I'm missing ports or 111 and 2049 are really all that is required
[03:19] <SonikkuAmerica> Gabboz: Try using [ dconf-editor ] maybe, can't assure you of anything...
[03:19] <swan1> SonikkuAmerica, I haven't been able to find any power saving settngs or screen saver settings
[03:19] <VanessaE> SonikkuAmerica: it does not persist across a reboot, but I saved a v4l2ctrl file which, when reloaded makes the cam work.
[03:19] <Gabboz> SonikkuAmerica, yeah that will probably do it.
[03:19] <aszurom> usr13, 111/tcp open  rpcbind
[03:19] <usr13> aszurom: I think you are correct, 111 and 2049 tcp and udp comes to mind.  (Not positive but...)
[03:20] <SonikkuAmerica> VanessaE: Beautifule.
[03:20] <SonikkuAmerica> VanessaE: I can't type tonight... :\
[03:20] <aszurom> if I try showmount -e from a linux VM that is also behind the NAT, it shows the exports fine
[03:20] <usr13> aszurom: Maybe it is not a network problem.
[03:20] <SonikkuAmerica> Gabboz: I'm poking around in it myself...
[03:20] <aszurom> I'm thinkng so... there's a double nat going on here
[03:20] <Gabboz> SonikkuAmerica, you're probably right it should be in there.
[03:21] <aszurom> [client]->[nat]--network--[nat]-->[server]
[03:21] <usr13> aszurom: /etc/exports ?
[03:21] <aszurom> the exports show fine and mount fine from the other linux VM, so they're known good
[03:22] <franco> can someone say my name so i can test the highlighting on my irc client?
[03:22] <usr13> aszurom: And you know that you have to restart the NFS server if you make any changes, right?
[03:22] <aszurom> the server is actually a Netapp VSim filer, but it doesn't matter because it's basically a BSD box
[03:22] <Gabboz> SonikkuAmerica, i searched for button.. no dice.
[03:23] <aszurom> usr13, yeah, the server itself being the problem has been throroughly ruled out
[03:23] <aszurom> it's a nat port forwarding network issue for sure
[03:23] <Gabboz> franco,
[03:23] <SonikkuAmerica> Gabboz: I'm doing a full toothcomb.
[03:23] <Gabboz> ok
[03:23] <VanessaE> SonikkuAmerica: thanks for attempting to help anyways :-)  Someone should document that bit I did, if possible in case someone else runs into the same issue
[03:23] <aszurom> usr13, I can mount and browse the exports fine if I'm behind the same NAT
[03:23] <usr13> aszurom: read   man nfs
[03:23] <Gabboz> SonikkuAmerica, we cant be the only ones annoyed by it. :P
[03:24] <usr13> aszurom: Oh ok
[03:24] <Quix86> http://pastebin.com/8hcGhnEv why isn't my swap mounting on startup?
[03:24] <aszurom> usr13, that's why I was asking if there were any other ports that might be involved.  It must be a NAT issue
[03:24] <usr13> aszurom: So are you sure you have those ports farworded to the correct IP on your NAT firewall?
[03:25] <dank101> now i can watch full screen YT vids without lagg
[03:25] <dank101> dat quality
[03:25] <aszurom> usr13, yeah, because the rule for forwarding SSH does work fine
[03:25] <usr13> *forward*
[03:25] <aszurom> usr13, and I just cloned it and changed the port #
[03:25] <SonikkuAmerica> Gabboz: Try installing gconf2
[03:25] <SonikkuAmerica> Gabboz: and running gconf-editor instead.
[03:25] <VanessaE> be back next time I get stuck ;)
[03:25] <johnjohn1011> dank101, what did you do?
[03:25] <usr13> aszurom: That's about all I can think of.
[03:26] <dank101> johnjohn1011, get on 13.04
[03:26] <johnjohn1011> how is flash better than 12.04?  i missed the converstation
[03:26] <franco> UEFI/Secure boot issue? - http://pastebin.com/6333yQZn
[03:26] <usr13> aszurom: https://access.redhat.com/site/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html/Storage_Administration_Guide/s2-nfs-nfs-firewall-config.html
[03:26] <aszurom> usr13, only thing I can think is that the windows machine that is hosting the VMs and running the NAT (vmware workstation v9) is intercepting port 111 as itself and not forwarding
[03:26] <usr13> reading ...
[03:26] <dank101> johnjohn1011, unity is more lightweight now, making it lagg less
[03:27] <Gabboz> SonikkuAmerica, found it.
[03:27] <Aww> Gosh updating takes forever...
[03:27] <WhitePelican> SonikkuAmerica, I went to the FAQ for pidgin and it's set up properly
[03:27] <SonikkuAmerica> Gabboz: Mess with it and see if anything changes.
[03:27] <usr13> aszurom: You may be on to something there....
[03:27] <Gabboz> sec..
[03:27] <johnjohn1011> thanks dank101
[03:27] <SonikkuAmerica> WhitePelican: Wrong password maybe?
[03:28] <dank101> updating to 13.04
[03:28] <dank101> WORTH THE WAIT AND HASSLE
[03:28] <swan1> SonikkuAmerica, any other places to check?
[03:28] <Ponch0> Would anyone know how to fix ubuntu software center, it keeps crashing with SIGSEGV
[03:28] <Gabboz> SonikkuAmerica, works... in dconf, ---> org/gnome/desktop/vm/preferences  Then, type :minimize,maximize,close
[03:28] <dank101> everyting works as buttery smooth as windows now
[03:29] <dank101> bye windows
[03:29] <dank101> Hi linux
[03:29] <Ponch0> hi
[03:29] <Ponch0> I'm linux how can I help u
[03:29] <Quix86> GNU to you too dank101
[03:29] <Quix86> ps but unity D:
[03:30] <SonikkuAmerica> Gabboz: Shiny. Maybe Joey Sneddon needs to see that.
[03:30] <Gabboz> SonikkuAmerica, dont know who he is but pass it on :P
[03:30] <dank101> unity used to lagg like all HELL
[03:30] <SonikkuAmerica> Gabboz: He's the chief writer for OMG! Ubuntu!
[03:30] <Gabboz> SonikkuAmerica, ah i see.
[03:30] <dank101> now it's 100% made of genuine smooth BUTTER!
[03:31] <SonikkuAmerica> dank101: It's Qt butter, I can assure you.
[03:31] <franco> dank101: so 13.04's good?
[03:32] <aszurom> usr13, thanks for the help. I'm giving up for the night.
[03:32] <dank101> franco; i'm prasing it after the 9 hours of me failing to install it
[03:32] <Quix86> dank101, but it's still ugleh
[03:32] <dank101> you KNOW IT'S GOOD
[03:32] <johnjohn1011> dank101: 32 or 64 bit?
[03:32] <WhitePelican> SonikkuAmerica, I use the same password as the one I use on the facebook page
[03:33] <dank101> johnjohn1011, really shouldn't matter, both use Qt butter
[03:33] <johnjohn1011> i think it was gtk. not qt
[03:33] <dank101> Same thing
[03:33] <johnjohn1011> next one is qt, right?
[03:33] <WhitePelican> I suspect facebook changed the protocol
[03:34] <dank101> and i haven't even gotten started
[03:34] <dank101> my power surged while installing
[03:34] <SonikkuAmerica> WhitePelican: You username is correct, right?
[03:34] <dank101> so i need to get back
[03:34] <WhitePelican> yes
[03:34] <SonikkuAmerica> WhitePelican: Like if your page was facebook.com/badger, it's "badger"
[03:34] <franco> usr13: if you're bored, you could always apply your god-level trouble shooting to my secure boot issue... :P http://pastebin.com/6333yQZn
[03:35] <WhitePelican> brb
[03:35] <johnjohn1011> franco. yikes  good luck
[03:35] <dank101> lol how do i open friends?
[03:38] <wilee-nilee> franco, The best uefi support is at the ubuntu forums, post a thread there.
[03:38] <Ponch0> anyone has had issues with ubuntu software center crashing with sigsegv and was able to fix it?
[03:39] <franco> wilee-nilee, thanks
[03:39] <dank101> guys
[03:39] <WhitePelican> back
[03:40] <SonikkuAmerica> WhitePelican: Any luck?
[03:40] <WhitePelican> not s yret
[03:40] <WhitePelican> as yet*
[03:40] <Quix86> http://pastebin.com/8hcGhnEv why isn't my swap mounting on startup?
[03:41] <Ponch0> maybe it's booting too fast
[03:41] <wilee-nilee> Quix86, Have you run sudo blkid and checked the uuid
[03:42] <Ponch0> anyone know how to fix sigsegv crashing ubuntu software center?
[03:42] <Quix86> wilee-nilee, I didn't think to check if they were different
[03:42] <Quix86> ty
[03:42] <wilee-nilee> sure
[03:43] <Ponch0> also
[03:43] <Ponch0> thats it
[03:44] <Ponch0> banana
[03:45] <WhitePelican> SonikkuAmerica, I'm online but my friends list is not appearing. this started happening about 3 days ago (before the 13.04 install)
[03:45] <Quix86> My swap file is mounted and large enough to hold all of my ram, why can't I hibernate? Also, where are the options for hibernation? I want to try out that fancy new hybrid hibernation thing
[03:45] <h00k> Quix86: hibernate is a bit different than sleep/suspend
[03:45] <johnjohn1011> wtf, can't use onboard and dash
[03:45] <SonikkuAmerica> WhitePelican: That's happening in Empathy too... I dunno if that's a GTK+ <-> Qt problem or what that is.
[03:45] <SonikkuAmerica> !wtf | johnjohn1011
[03:46] <h00k> Quix86: Hibernate is when it saves the state to your HD and shuts down, Suspend is when it saves your state to memory and powers off (mostly), but keeps the RAM alive. Hibernate uses zero power, suspend uses a little.
[03:46] <johnjohn1011> is there an issue where you can't use onboard and dash in 12.04?
[03:47] <h00k> Quix86: resuming from hibernate roughly takes as long as a fresh boot, but suspend is much quicker
[03:47] <Quix86> h00k yes, I heard something about the 3.6 kernel introducing something where the computer hibernates using the ram and hard drive so it can start up faster if it's not been left on long enough that it has to shut down and reload from the disk
[03:47] <MissValeska> hey
[03:47] <Quix86> h00k that aside, my hibernation option isn't available in the shut down menu
[03:47] <WhitePelican> happens in kopete too
[03:47] <MissValeska> My Ubuntu 13.04 upgrade is hanging
[03:47] <MissValeska> I have teamviewer, Can someone help?
[03:47] <dank101> MissValeska, wait, it works
[03:48] <wilee-nilee> Quix86, You have to enable hibernate
[03:48] <dank101> it tooks me a few hours
[03:48] <h00k> Quix86: ah, I don't know much about the 3.6 kernel and that feature, but that doesn't mean it's not true
[03:48] <MissValeska> I've waited over an hour
[03:48] <dank101> i said HOURS
[03:48] <Quix86> h00k check the 3.6 changelog, that's where I saw it
[03:48] <MissValeska> It hung at cabextract
[03:49] <johnjohn1011> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/739812
[03:49] <MissValeska> It's been saying installed cabextract for over an hour or two
[03:49] <h00k> Quix86: I don't know if this applies exactly to 13.04, but https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/ubuntu-help/power-hibernate.html
[03:49] <h00k> Quix86: but suspend is much nicer ;)
[03:50] <Quix86> h00k I might use it if I knew exactly how much power my system used while suspended
[03:50] <Quix86> and got an idea of battery life and such
[03:50] <Quix86> oh I was supposed to look into an ultrabay battery today....
[03:50] <h00k> Quix86: probably > 1 day, but I guess it depends on how long you're looking to suspend for
[03:51] <jameh> ~_~
[03:51] <h00k> Quix86: my chromebook can suspend for a half a week easily, same with my work laptop, likely more but I haven't had a use case to test them
[03:51] <johnjohn1011> it's not fixed in 12.04
[03:51] <Quix86> >1 day on a properly working system, I still don't entirely trust linux' power saving yet
[03:52] <jameh> mmmm
[03:53] <dingdong_> trying to backup my files using ubuntu one works on my laptop but not on my desktop, anyone have an idea why?
[03:53] <h00k> dingdong_: do you get any errors, or crashes, any more details?
[03:55] <dingdong_> h00k: yeah i get a bad request error on my desktop
[03:55] <h00k> dingdong_: ah, you may be having this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/deja-dup/+bug/1161599
[03:56] <h00k> dingdong_: see if that applies
[03:56] <InteliWasp> since vsftpd is preventing logins, is there an alternative ftp daemon?
[04:00] <harovali> hi, I'm getting this error a lot : *ERROR* EDID checksum is invalid, remainder is (number)
[04:00] <harovali> how can I fix it?
[04:01] <akis> hi. alhough i have installed on my 12.04 xubuntu, ubuntu's sounds today i realized that i lost ubuntu's incoming message sound and the system gives me xubuntu default sound. any advise or idea to fix it?
[04:01] <SonikkuAmerica> akis: Is #xubuntu alive?
[04:02] <Quix86> no one was pointing me to xubuntu earlier... I think I looked and didn't see it
[04:02] <Quix86> xubuntu is close enough though
[04:02] <Quix86> either that or #xfce
[04:02] <Quix86> er
[04:02] <Quix86> #ubuntu
[04:02] <Quix86> and Xxfce
[04:02] <FloodBot1> Quix86: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:02] <Quix86> floodbot1 get stuffed like a turkey
[04:03] <pvaahees> mmm turkeyyy
[04:03] <akis> what do you mean wint "is it Xubuntu alive"?
[04:03] <josePHPagoda> Hello everyone!
[04:04] <Quix86> am I going to have to patch kernel 3.5-3.6 for hdaps support?
[04:04] <josePHPagoda> Anyone have any ideas how I could fix my wacom tablet mouse?  Since the upgrade to 13.04 it doesn't register any clicks.  It still moves the mouse and such, but doesn't actually register any clicks.
[04:04] <SonikkuAmerica> akis: Is anyone in the #xubuntu channel responsive?
[04:04] <SunSoul> Hi all, in Ubuntu Gnome 13.04, I added the Gnome PPA to install Gnome 3.8, but I do not know how to enable classic mode. Anyone know?
[04:05] <josePHPagoda> Hi SonikkuAmerica, how are you doing?
[04:05] <SonikkuAmerica> Ohai
[04:05] <Quix86> SonikkuAmerica, there isn't an xubuntu channel (in freenode)
[04:05] <Quix86> oh nevermind there it is
[04:05] <SonikkuAmerica> SunSoul: It doesn't exist.
[04:05] <akis> SonikkuAmerica: i am not there. only here. do i have to ask the same question there?
[04:05] <SonikkuAmerica> akis: You should.
[04:05] <akis> ok. i went already
[04:05] <Quix86> akis you might try #xfce as well
[04:06] <SonikkuAmerica> Quix86: I'm part of Xubuntu's community IRC support staff. kthx :)
[04:06] <SunSoul> SonikkuAmerica At all? I could have swore Gnome 3.8 has a classic mode? It is in the release notes.
[04:06] <Quix86> I didn't see it in the channel list when I was looking earlier because it was so far down (in users)
[04:06] <johnjohn1011> onboard still broken in 12.04 works correctly with dash in 13.04. annoying
[04:07] <Quix86> Oh!
[04:07] <Quix86> How do I disable these silly splash screens and do a verbose start up/shut down like debian default?
[04:08] <akis> thank you guys!
[04:08] <SonikkuAmerica> SunSoul: Yes, not at all. GNOME dumped it in 3.8
[04:08] <lotuspsychje> Quix86: you mean text style boot?
[04:09] <Quix86> sunsoul if you want something like that you might try the MATE dm
[04:09] <Quix86> lotuspsychje, yes
[04:09] <SunSoul> SonikkuAmerica So Gnome Team, announced Gnome Classic for 3.8, and has release notes on it, and even shows screenshots on it, and dumped it?
[04:09] <lotuspsychje> Quix86: remove 'quiet splash' from grub
[04:09] <SonikkuAmerica> SunSoul: According to Wikipedia, GNOME Fallback was removed from 3.8.
[04:09] <SunSoul> Quix86 Alright, but doesn't Mate look kind of not so pretty currently? Maybe I saw 1.3
[04:09] <SunSoul> Right
[04:10] <SunSoul> Because they introduced Gnome Classic
[04:10] <LinDol> i was using 12.10, how do i install gnome 3.8 on my ubuntu?
[04:10] <SunSoul> In 3.8
[04:10] <SunSoul> Supposedly anyways
[04:10] <Quix86> sunsoul I don't know what gnome3 classic looks like, I'm assuming it looks more like gnome 2 and MATE is basically an offshoot of gnome 2
[04:10] <johnjohn1011> gnome classic in 3.8 looks and feels horrible. mate is still better
[04:10] <SonikkuAmerica> SunSoul: Oh, excuse me! Just found the more recent article on Softpedia... :\
[04:11] <benno123> how do i make my taskbar transparent?
[04:11] <Quix86> lotuspsychje, which grub file do I change?
[04:12] <Quix86> /etc/grub.d/05?
[04:12] <AndroUser2> hello everyone
[04:12] <SunSoul> SonikkuAmerica I am trying to find how to enable it....
[04:12] <SunSoul> I have no idea how to do it
[04:13] <wilee-nilee> SunSoul, There is no stable 3.8
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> !grub | Quix86
[04:13] <SunSoul> So, 3.8.1 is not stable then?
[04:13] <Quix86> You could say there is no stable 3.x if you wanna get edgy
[04:13] <benno123> i want to make my Taskbar transparent.can anybody know,how would that be possible?
[04:14] <SunSoul> Hmmm
[04:14] <lotuspsychje> Quix86: you on raring or still 12.10?
[04:14] <AndroUser2> has anyone messed around with 13.04 and the Nexus 7?
[04:14] <DatKid> Umm sorry but whats the topic?
[04:14] <Quix86> 12.10
[04:14] <SunSoul> So currently no real way to see Gnome 3.8 in classic implementation then.
[04:14] <lotuspsychje> !touch | AndroUser2
[04:14] <wilee-nilee> AndroUser2, #ubuntu-touch
[04:15] <Campfire> hi guys who is in charge
[04:15] <StevenX> me
[04:15] <Campfire> just curios of the structure
[04:15] <SonikkuAmerica> SunSoul: Looks like Classic Mode got itself an overhaul.
[04:15] <DatKid> what happens if i install Ubuntu then Windows?
[04:16] <DatKid> just wondering
[04:16] <wilee-nilee> Campfire, Then read the channel header.
[04:16] <Quix86> datkid windows overwrites the linux bootloader
[04:16] <Campfire> ty steven
[04:16] <AndroUser2> well touch is not thoroughly fleshed out yet,  over last weekend i had 13.04 running fine on nexus but it felt like a laptop for an Oompa Loompa
[04:16] <DatKid> ok ty quix
[04:16] <SunSoul> SonikkuAmerica Overhaul? As in, going to rework it then?
[04:16] <AndroUser2> ps how do i change my nick please?
[04:16] <Campfire> ty wilee its been awile
[04:16] <Quix86> lotuspsychje, grub2 is a mess and has configuration files everywhere, I'd appreciate it if you told me what folder the file was in instead of giving me a link describing the big mess
[04:16] <SonikkuAmerica> SunSoul: I saw the screenshot on the release notes...
[04:16] <wilee-nilee> AndroidBeing, that channel has desktops for android devices not just the touch
[04:17] <SunSoul> SonikkuAmerica, yeah I saw that as well.
[04:17] <SonikkuAmerica> SunSoul: It looks almost nothing like the old GNOME 2.
[04:17] <DatKid> umm I installed 12.04 on a computer but the install messed up, can i just use a live CD to reinstall Ubuntu on top of it?
[04:17] <lalondong> I'm running Ubuntu 12.04 LTS
[04:17] <SonikkuAmerica> DatKid: Yes
[04:17] <lalondong> but because it's too slow i've changed them to XFCE desktop environment..
[04:17] <bitblt> any idea why if, on an already running service, you issue "service X start" they return 0, except for mysql, which returns 1?
[04:17] <lotuspsychje> Quix86: its not very hard to read the ubuntu trigger urls...No /boot/grub/menu.lst. It has been replaced by /boot/grub/grub.cfg.
[04:18] <SunSoul> SonikkuAmerica hmmm, yeah it looks odd. I just wantd to try it out for myself, but I could not find an actual way to enable it, or how exactly to enable it. So I keep pokingg around the net to find a solution.
[04:18] <lalondong> everythings fine, until i try to use my Pidgin. and it's not showing online buddies
[04:18] <DatKid> thx sonikku
[04:18] <lalondong> but when i type the name to new conversation it's actually online .
[04:18] <SunSoul> SonikkuAmerica Apparently, it has Gnome 3 behind it, with Gnome 2esque ideas on top of it.
[04:18] <lalondong> Damned whats my problem
[04:18] <SonikkuAmerica> SunSoul: Yeah... one sec...
[04:19] <freaky[t]> hi all i have a question. I have Win8Pro on my laptop and I have it encrypted with Bitlocker. What do I need to do if I want to install the latest Ubuntu 13.04 on my laptop now?
[04:19] <Endafy`> you have to remove the encrypted partition
[04:19] <freaky[t]> u sure?
[04:20] <Endafy`> windows 8 sucks anyway so ur doing urself a service
[04:20] <F41L_> OK, I'm now on raring and not mint. Now will you help me? :)
[04:20] <Endafy`> yes once something is encrypted it has to be deleted
[04:20] <Quix86> lotuspsychje, so what I actually need to be editing is /etc/default/grub
[04:20] <freaky[t]> i want to dualboot
[04:20] <freaky[t]> i mean
[04:20] <freaky[t]> have it alongside windows8
[04:20] <Endafy`> you cant shrink an encrypted partition
[04:20] <Endafy`> impossibru
[04:20] <freaky[t]> hm
[04:20] <Endafy`> not mentioning Windows 8's filesystem is locked
[04:21] <Endafy`> you so much as touch it, and Windows 8 wont boot
[04:21] <freaky[t]> ok thanks
[04:21] <Endafy`> dualboot 7 and Ubuntu
[04:21] <freaky[t]> ok then i wont install ubuntu thanks ;D
[04:21] <Endafy`> or remove windows 8
[04:21] <Endafy`> ofr windows 7
[04:21] <Endafy`> for*
[04:21] <Quix86> Endafy`, that sounds terrible
[04:21] <freaky[t]> no i will not install ubuntu then
[04:21] <dank101> remove 8
[04:21] <freaky[t]> thanks
[04:21] <Endafy`> well whatever
[04:21] <dank101> it sucks in comparison
[04:21] <Endafy`> enjoy the hell of 8
[04:22] <Quix86> freaky[t], you really should use 7 instead
[04:22] <F41L_> On Ubuntu 13.04, replaced unity with cinnamon. Trying to figure out why my when my windows are maximized, they extend below the threshold of the taskbar and go behind it. Any ideas?
[04:22] <dank101> use 7 and ubuntu
[04:22] <freaky[t]> no i should not use win7 instead i want win8 ;D
[04:22] <lotuspsychje> Quix86: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash" edit to ""   (remove quiet splash)
[04:22] <Endafy`> I mean even if you never use Ubuntu use windows 7 at least
[04:22] <betrayd> or play with the liveCD
[04:22] <Endafy`> 8 is horrible
[04:22] <Biomechd> hey, so i'm having a bit of a problem. when i booted up my laptop just a few minutes ago, and finally got to my desktop, i noticed the ubuntu dash along the left side of the screen is leaving behind this obscuring brown bar down the side of the screen. how do i get rid of this?
[04:22] <lotuspsychje> Quix86: then update-grub after
[04:22] <dank101> freaky[t], if you use 8 over 7 you sre retarded and are a disgrase to man kind
[04:22] <Quix86> lotuspsychje, yes I saw that, but I needed to know what file it was, the file was /etc/default/grub. I'll check it after I get hibernation sorted
[04:22] <Endafy`> not bc of the UI, no it is flat out incompatible with every piece of hardware I own
[04:22] <sysRPL> 2 questions in 13.04 here .... 1) why isn't F3 showing me split panes in nautilus ... and 2) typing smb://x.x.x.x (or the ip of my windows pc) is doing nothing ... why on both 1 and 2?
[04:23] <wilee-nilee> freaky[t], You can resize W8 encrypted ask in ##windows
[04:23] <Endafy`> wilee-nilee: not if its bitlocked
[04:23] <lotuspsychje> Quix86: to undo if not like: set quiet splash again and update-grub
[04:23] <wilee-nilee> Endafy`The web says otherwise
[04:23] <freaky[t]> i can unbitlock it but its all a lot of work
[04:23] <Endafy`> bitlocker is a pita to unlock
[04:23] <Quix86> Why would anyone use W8 instead of W7
[04:23] <freaky[t]> and then i have the problem with the linux bootloader cuz its not the bitlocker screen
[04:23] <Endafy`> Quix86: ikr
[04:24] <Endafy`> even without bitlocker windows 8's FS is locked because of the stupid way it boots
[04:24] <Quix86> W7 is good for another 8 years anyway
[04:24] <Endafy`> I used Windows 8 all of 10 days before I puked all over it
[04:24]  * Quix86 shrugs
[04:24] <wilee-nilee> !ot
[04:24] <Endafy`> the UI is fine
[04:24] <lotuspsychje> stick to ubuntu support guys
[04:24] <Endafy`> wilee-nilee: this is support
[04:24] <Endafy`> shove it
[04:24] <dank101> freaky[t], ...
[04:24] <Quix86> I wonder how multiscreen support in linux is
[04:25] <dank101> Quix86, pretty good
[04:25] <Endafy`> Quix86: I use 3 displays
[04:25] <Quix86> I'm imaging it's a pain, because I'm going to be using a dock if I do
[04:25] <freaky[t]> ok so i have no idea how it will work with win8 and ubuntu ill better not install ubuntu then
[04:25] <Quix86> so I'm going to be switching between one display and 2/3
[04:25] <lotuspsychje> !poll
[04:25] <Endafy`> for multidisplays though I highly suggest KDE over Unity though
[04:25] <Quix86> Endafy`, I use XFCE
[04:25] <wilee-nilee> freaky[t], Put it in a virtual.
[04:25] <SonikkuAmerica> SunSoul: Try adding the GNOME 3 PPA and installing gnome-session-fallback...
[04:26] <Endafy`> you can assign different desktops to different monitors in KDE no other DE on earth can do that not even Windows
[04:26] <Endafy`> or OSX
[04:26] <RobbyF> omg I hate how it brakes unity on upgrade
[04:26] <Quix86> is KDE the default WM in fedora 18?
[04:26] <Endafy`> idk I use Kubuntu
[04:26] <SonikkuAmerica> Quix86: I didn't think so.
[04:26] <Quix86> if it is that was disgusting and I'm not touching it
[04:26] <Quix86> might have been gnome3 tho
[04:26] <SunSoul> soahccc, ok
[04:26] <wilee-nilee> RobbyF, come again, details.
[04:26] <SonikkuAmerica> Quix86: I thought it was GNOME 3
[04:26] <Quix86> was bad enough to be gnome3 that's for sure
[04:26] <SunSoul> Doing that right now.
[04:26] <Endafy`> friends dont let friends use Gnome
[04:26] <SonikkuAmerica> Quix86: Fedora ~= GnomeOS
[04:26] <SunSoul> SonikkuAmerica, I mean
[04:26] <SonikkuAmerica> Endafy`: Don't go there.
[04:27] <Endafy`> so glad 13.10 is going full Qt
[04:27] <Quix86> yeah, last time I tried fedora it was KDE tho
[04:27] <Endafy`> let GTK die in fire
[04:27] <RobbyF> wilee-nilee, on the 13.04 update same with 12.10 update my unity session brakes on boot. I think it's partial to nvidia.
[04:27] <lotuspsychje> !ot | Quix86
[04:27] <Quix86> hmmm
[04:27] <F41L_> I've got 13.04, and a weird issue is occuring where my windows extend behind the task bar when maximised, cutting off that portion of the window.
[04:27] <Quix86> !ot | lotuspsychje
[04:27] <Endafy`> lolz
[04:27] <Quix86> actually, you know that
[04:27] <Quix86> I'm putting ubottu on ignore
[04:27] <Endafy`> this is support and we are helping him make an educated decision
[04:28] <Quix86> why didn't I think of that before
[04:28] <SonikkuAmerica> Endafy`: Flaming GTK+ is rather biased, don'tcha think"
[04:28] <SonikkuAmerica> ?
[04:28] <Quix86> those auto wall-o-texts get right up my butt
[04:28] <lotuspsychje> Endafy: this is not the channel to talk about fedora
[04:28] <wilee-nilee> RobbyF, every release update needs nvidia reloaded that is your responsibility, rather then random;y complaining.
[04:28] <Endafy`> my bias isnt unfounded though
[04:28] <RobbyF> wilee-nilee, http://askubuntu.com/questions/285627/unity-does-not-start-in-ubuntu-13-04 < this resolved it
[04:28] <Endafy`> there's a reason Ubuntu is going full Qt
[04:29] <Endafy`> its just far superior, always has been always will be
[04:29] <RobbyF> wilee-nilee, it should at least give me an interface to work with.
[04:29] <Quix86> what's the package I'm looking for that should be "kde"
[04:29] <RobbyF> I didn't come here to complain, I'm here to post the results incase someone else needed help.
[04:29] <Endafy`> Kubuntu
[04:29] <Quix86> also is there a way to install kde that doesn't involve the billion kapps I don't need
[04:30] <Endafy`> Quix86: use Kubuntu try it for a few days if you dont fall in love with it shoot me
[04:30] <wilee-nilee> er not update but upgrade
[04:30] <lotuspsychje> !info kubuntu-desktop | Quix86
[04:30] <Quix86> I'd rather try the WM without doing a whole reinstall
[04:30] <F41L_> Endafy`: I have kubuntu installation discs, but trying to avoid it and use cinnamon instead.
[04:30] <Quix86> lotuspsychje, I've got ubottu on ignore
[04:30] <Endafy`> it takes a minute to grasp its technological advances, but once you do you will soon realize "why didnt I use KDE sooner?"
[04:31] <Quix86> I might go try it on debian if I can't just do a package install on xubuntu
[04:31] <Endafy`> F41L_: lmao @ anything GTK have fun with your disappearing task bar in anything 2s
[04:31] <Endafy`> 2d rather
[04:31] <Quix86> I shouldn't have to install a whole new distro to change my WM, you know
[04:31] <Quix86> I only have xubuntu on here becaues that means I never had to use unity
[04:31] <Endafy`> its not a new distro its Ubuntu with GTK shaved off and Qt in place
[04:32] <Endafy`> just try Kubuntu trust me
[04:32] <Endafy`> its like night n day like going from an arm based device to an i7
[04:32] <Quix86> I'll try KDE on debian later
[04:32] <Endafy`> it will blow ur mind how good it really is
[04:32] <Endafy`> get over the settings, there are lots for a reason, it gives you power where other DEs try to take your power away
[04:33] <Endafy`> they force their vision on you, where KDE just is what you want it to be
[04:33] <SonikkuAmerica> SunSoul: I think metacity pooped on me.
[04:33] <SunSoul> SonikkuAmerica Nope, that is something different. That's the one from Gnome 3x, before the .8 release.
[04:33] <SunSoul> SonikkuAmerica Yeah
[04:33] <Quix86> does KDE show an auto-hide taskbar when an application blinks the taskbar?
[04:33] <SonikkuAmerica> SunSoul: I can see that. It messed everything up.
[04:33] <SonikkuAmerica> One sec.
[04:34] <Endafy`> http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/5954/kde42zr0.jpg
[04:34] <Endafy`> my desktop
[04:34] <Endafy`> from a while ago
[04:34] <Quix86> Endafy`, I don't do desktop rice
[04:34] <Endafy`> still looks like that
[04:34] <Endafy`> naked kde theme
[04:34] <F41L_> the problem with KDE Endafy`, is how friggin' rediculous panels are.
[04:34] <rebelrebel> Does anyone have any experience with ralink 5370 driver, is there any kind of prebuilt package. I am trying to use it on easypeasy which i know is built on ubuntu. thanks
[04:34] <Endafy`> F41L_: you can download new ones
[04:34] <Endafy`> or write your own
[04:34] <Endafy`> its all plug and play
[04:35] <F41L_> it's just so friggin' customizable it's obtuse.
[04:35] <Endafy`> right you make it your own without having to use the terminal or dirty hacks
[04:35] <F41L_> cinnamon, I slap a nice looking theme on it and boom, it's -perfect-, to me.
[04:35] <Endafy`> it says "use me im awesome"
[04:35] <Endafy`> F41L_: learn to think for yourself
[04:36] <Quix86> Endafy`, can we stop arguing about DMs now?
[04:36] <Endafy`> all these cookie cutter DEs make me wanna puke
[04:36] <F41L_> It says "hey, configure every single pixel one by one zomgiggles"
[04:36] <F41L_> Then go puke?
[04:36] <F41L_> Like, what's wrong with something be delightful out of the box. Not having to fiddle too much with it.
[04:36] <Endafy`> go use a mac
[04:37] <Endafy`> lol
[04:37] <wilee-nilee> rebelrebel, Take a look here for general info. http://askubuntu.com/questions/99373/building-driver-for-ralink-rt5370-usb-wifi-wlan-dongle
[04:37] <F41L_> mac = digital handcuffs.
[04:37] <F41L_> Also, BSD.
[04:37] <F41L_> *cough*
[04:37] <Quix86> I've got a mac coming
[04:37] <Quix86> G3 powerbook
[04:38] <Endafy`> nice I love the old pbooks I have a g4 on my desk
[04:38] <Endafy`> tiger is awesome
[04:38] <wilee-nilee> rebelrebel, and here. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/Tenda_W311M
[04:38] <lotuspsychje> !offtopic
[04:38] <Endafy`> ya know all these people getting their panties in a twist about "OT WAH" need to learn what human beings do, they talk
[04:39] <Endafy`> first rule about us
[04:39] <Endafy`> were not robots
[04:39] <rebelrebel> Is ubuntu and its derivatives planning to have this baked in anytime soon?
[04:39] <lotuspsychje> Endafy: there are seperate channel to talk human
[04:39] <ThatOneRoadie> Ummm
[04:39] <ThatOneRoadie> wait, nevermind.
[04:39] <Endafy`> lotuspsychje: noone wants to go there because there is nobody in them
[04:39] <Quix86> I'd agree about it being off topic but it is annoying getting messages thrown at you instead of just being told something. Anyway, I think I'd prefer deb on that mac instead of ubuntu but I'm not sure
[04:39] <lotuspsychje> Endafy: thats not the problem of ubuntu's support channel
[04:40] <Endafy`> learn to accept people as they are or ur gunna have headaches the rest of your life
[04:40] <Quix86> I guess it minus well be debian, the whole point of the thing is to mess around and figure it out. I use (x)ubuntu on my main laptop so that it actually works more often than not
[04:40] <Endafy`> stop being such a control freak
[04:40] <Quix86> and I'm not spending all time working on it
[04:40] <lotuspsychje> Endafy: now give it a rest plz and discuss this in ot
[04:40]  * Quix86 waves goodbye to Endafy` 
[04:40] <wilee-nilee> rebelrebel, I doubt it.
[04:41] <Endafy`> freenode, ya know FREEnode, freedom of speech
[04:41] <Endafy`> kinda FREEness and all
[04:41] <Endafy`> dont be china
[04:41] <Endafy`> or worse north korea
[04:41] <rebelrebel> wilee-nilee: isnt this a pretty common wifi module though?
[04:42] <Campfire> endafy can you pm me
[04:42] <Quix86> so where are the hibernate settings again? Are they in a menu somewhere or will I have to do commands?
[04:42] <lotuspsychje> rebelrebel: is this a linksys dongle?
[04:42] <SonikkuAmerica> So now I have this gorgeous white screen with Unity running on top of it in 13.04! What should I do?
[04:42] <rebelrebel> lotuspsychje: its a ralink one
[04:42] <Quix86> SonikkuAmerica, sudo apt-get xfce4 :3
[04:43] <SonikkuAmerica> Quix86: :P
[04:43] <Campfire> endafy just got baned if i,m correct
[04:43] <lotuspsychje> rebelrebel: did you try look in additional drivers in your system?
[04:43] <Quix86> part of me wants to try xubuntu 13.4 but I sit in here and watch everyone else say how they are having problems with it
[04:43]  * Quix86 shrugs
[04:44] <Quix86> gonna try hibernation...
[04:44] <ubu> i'm loving xubuntu 12.04
[04:44] <SonikkuAmerica> Is it possible to reinstall 13.04 without touching anything else on the hard drive?
[04:44] <rebelrebel> lotuspsychje: how would i go about doing that, i havent really had much experience with modern linux. Seems things have changed abit
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> Quix86: if you dont ignored triggers, you would see easy ways to install kubuntu desktop or xubuntu
[04:44] <ubu> i'm going to be trying out xubuntu 13.04 on a usb stick
[04:44] <wilee-nilee> rebelrebel, could be but it needs a wrapper that is a bit beyond a easy install, and needs drivers downloaded.
[04:45] <Campfire> i heard the new ubuntu slow but good for gaming
[04:45] <lotuspsychje> !drivers > lotuspsychje
[04:46] <rebelrebel> lotuspsychje: was that directed to me?
[04:46] <lotuspsychje> Campire: ubuntu is very fast, but plz discuss this in #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:46] <Campfire> ok
[04:46] <Campfire> ty
[04:46] <lotuspsychje> rebelrebel: i was testing if there was a trigger for additional drivers
[04:47] <Quix-A> :\
[04:47] <ubuntuaddicted> how can i tell if im running 64bit or 32bit? ubuntu
[04:47] <Quix86> ubuntuaddicted, uname -a
[04:48] <ubuntuaddicted> Quix86, thanks
[04:48] <Campfire> is the command to join ubuntu offtopic /j #ubuntu-offtopic i,m new to this xchat client
[04:49] <SonikkuAmerica> Campfire: Yes
[04:50] <rebelrebel> where does ubuntu mount flash drivers, i am on easy peasy but i cant seem to find my flash drive. I did ask in the easypeast specific channel but iits empty
[04:50] <ubuntuaddicted> does anyone know if 13.04 works with multisystem?
[04:50] <ubuntuaddicted> multisystem allows you to boot several different iso's all from the same usb stick
[04:51] <rohan_> what is the role of /etc/fstab during bootup? i saw two machines with broken fstab entry for the root "/" partition, and yet both of them booted up correctly
[04:51] <Quix86-> right
[04:51] <Quix86-> why is my hibernation broken
[04:51] <ubuntuaddicted> rohan_, fstab has the partition and where to mount that partition information
[04:52] <rohan_> ubuntuaddicted: i know, but i am surprised why the systems are booting up even with a broken root partition entry
[04:52] <ubuntuaddicted> rohan_, when you say "broken fstab entries for / root" what do you mean exactly?
[04:52] <doomlord> i like the mousewheel launcher icon winows switching, but I wish you also use the mousewheel to change desktops
[04:52] <rohan_> the entry reads "/dev/sda" instead of a proper line
[04:52] <doomlord> like in classic gnome
[04:52] <Quix86-> when I do pm-hibernate the system acts like it's dumping things to ram at least
[04:52] <ubuntuaddicted> rohan_, /dev/sda is acceptable to fstab
[04:53] <ubuntuaddicted> rohan_, OH, without a number you mean?
[04:53] <Quix86-> but then when it boots up it boots up like it normally would
[04:53] <rohan_> ubuntuaddicted: how? how would it find the root partition?
[04:53] <rohan_> ubuntuaddicted: exactly
[04:53] <Quix86-> as if I had not used hibernate
[04:53] <rohan_> ubuntuaddicted: on my current VM, the line is "/dev/sda / ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 1"
[04:53] <ubuntuaddicted> rohan_, are you sure there wasn't a UUID line in the fstab file as well?
[04:53] <rohan_> ubuntuaddicted: i'm sure, i deleted the UUID line
[04:53] <SonikkuAmerica> Sooo glad Ubuntu 13.04 has a "reinstall" option.
[04:54] <rohan_> ubuntuaddicted: is a backup of fstab stored somewhere? or does it get root partition info from initrd or grub params?
[04:54] <ubuntuaddicted> rohan_, maybe the system has a fallback and auto boots the 1st primary partition?
[04:54] <SonikkuAmerica> rohan_: It's in /etc/fstab... you may wish to create a fstab.backup
[04:55] <rohan_> ubuntuaddicted: no, this worked for a system where the root partition is /dev/sda6 also
[04:55] <ubuntuaddicted> rohan_, i have no idea then.
[04:55] <rohan_> SonikkuAmerica: what is?
[04:55] <MissValeska> hey
[04:55] <MissValeska> I need help
[04:56] <SonikkuAmerica> rohan_: That's where the fstab file (the mount list) is...
[04:56] <rohan_> SonikkuAmerica: yes, but i am talking about boot up with a broken fstab file
[04:56] <SonikkuAmerica> rohan_: You can specify what to boot in GRUB.
[04:56] <MissValeska> Hey um
[04:57] <MissValeska> The Ubuntu 13.04 upgrade thing is hanging
[04:57] <rohan_> SonikkuAmerica: yes, but is that mounted as the root partition, taking precedence over your fstab?
[04:57] <wilee-nilee> Quix86-, Your swap slightly bigger then your ram amount?
[04:57] <SonikkuAmerica> rohan_: Can you get to GRUB?
[04:57] <Quix86-> wilee-nilee, yes swap is 4.84 ram is 4
[04:58] <rohan_> SonikkuAmerica: yes, and the system is booting just fine, in spite of the broken entry
[04:58] <wilee-nilee> Quix86-, You sure the swap is mounting?
[04:58] <SonikkuAmerica> rohan_: Well then what's the problem?
[04:58] <sysRPL> typing smb://192.168.1.150 (or the ip of my windows pc) in nuatilus does nothing ... why? on my other linux pc i can see shared folders on my windows server?
[04:58] <Quix86-> it's mounted by the time I'm in the DM at least
[04:58] <rohan_> SonikkuAmerica: there is none, i am trying to understand why the system is booting up inspite of the broken entry
[04:58] <Guest67070> wow ubuntu 13.04 is freaken fast XD
[04:59] <Quix86-> right after I booted up I checked gparted and it was mounted
[04:59] <SonikkuAmerica> Guest67070: That's the whole idea!
[04:59] <Quix86-> and I believe I saw it getting mounted at boot, but I'm not entirely sure.
[04:59] <SonikkuAmerica> rohan_: It prob has to do with the "linux" and "initrd" lines more than anything.
[04:59] <Guest67070> SonikkuAmerica, its even faster then windows 7 I daresay holy crap XD
[05:00] <SonikkuAmerica> Guest67070: You can say that again. I expect 14.04 LTS to be wicked fast.
[05:00] <woo> hey, ubuntu.  Having a really hard time with kismet on Ubuntu 12.04 lts
[05:00] <Morph4me> Quix86-: how big is your swap ?
[05:00] <Quix86-> SonikkuAmerica, only if it's running on a macintosh IIix...?
[05:01] <Quix86-> Morph4me, 4.8gb
[05:01] <Morph4me> k
[05:01] <Guest67070> SonikkuAmerica, hopefully I can customize the theme more. Never liked Ubuntu's orangness
[05:01] <SonikkuAmerica> Quix86-: What?
[05:01] <SonikkuAmerica> Guest67070: I can let you in on a little secret about that...
[05:01] <wilee-nilee> Quix86-, I'm not familiar with hibernate at all, however I found this. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PowerManagement/Hibernate
[05:01] <Morph4me> Quix 86 you might  want to look at this  from 13.04 help guide http://i.imgur.com/XOcrz54.png?1
[05:01] <Quix86-> SonikkuAmerica, excuse me, macintosh IIfx
[05:01] <SonikkuAmerica> Guest67070: It takes the middle pixel of the background image and uses that color as the dash color.
[05:02] <shashi> hu
[05:02] <sysRPL> okay, how the fuck do you split windows in nautilus (F3) in 13.04?
[05:02] <SonikkuAmerica> Quix86-: This 6-year-old clunker I'm on should be running Xubuntu by now, but my, my, Shuttlebay did it again.
[05:02] <Baker> So I've got Ubuntu Studio, but I don't like Xfce. Is there a way I can use GNOME with it?
[05:03] <Tm_T> sysRPL: language, please
[05:03] <wilee-nilee> Baker, Which gnome?
[05:03] <Quix86-> SonikkuAmerica, if it's properly old then it should be running debian
[05:03] <SonikkuAmerica> Baker: Install Ubuntu GNOME and then run [ sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-audio* ubuntustudio-graphics ubuntustudio-video ]
[05:03] <Baker> Whichever version is running on 12.04.
[05:04] <wilee-nilee> Baker, Gnome 3 which is underneath unity, the gnome-shell and fallback.
[05:04] <sysRPL> okay, how the flunk do you split windows in nautilus (F3) in 13.04?
[05:04] <SonikkuAmerica> Baker: On 12.04 it's Unity, although you can install GNOME Shell instead.
[05:04] <SonikkuAmerica> Baker: Still, same process.
[05:04] <Quix86-> sysRPL, "how the beef stick"
[05:04] <Baker> Ah, so is Unity the name of the environment with the pretty sidebar?
[05:05] <Baker> Sorry for the noob questions. I'm a bit new to this whole thing.
[05:05] <SonikkuAmerica> Baker: Yep
[05:05] <SonikkuAmerica> Baker: Beginners come in all the time.
[05:05] <ltrottier> I'm having this weird error where vim is claiming it can't open a temporary file on startup. Google provides no answers.
[05:05] <ltrottier> (though perhaps I should ask on #vim ?)
[05:06] <Baker> So would I have to install ubuntu 12.04, then just download the studio packages? Would that be the easier process?
[05:06] <SonikkuAmerica> Baker: That's the only process.
[05:06] <Baker> Alright, thanks for the help.
[05:06] <SonikkuAmerica> Baker: You can select them in Software Center or Synaptic, of course.
[05:06] <Tm_T> SonikkuAmerica: Baker: any reason you couldn't just install ubuntu-desktop?
[05:06] <Tm_T> on that ubuntustudio already installed
[05:06] <SonikkuAmerica> Tm_T, Baker: That too.
[05:07] <WormFood> I'm trying to install 13.04 on a laptop with an nvidia gpu, but it locks up shortly after it switches to graphics mode, and leaves me with a blank screen with the mouse pointer in the middle of the screen (if i don't move it ,before it locks up)...anyone have any suggestions/tips for making this work?
[05:07] <harovali> virtualbox is failing to compile kernel modules in ubuntu 12.04 LTS. I've been trying to solve this for hours without any luck. Here is the build log. Any hint is welcome http://pastebin.com/SarbeW6h
[05:07] <SonikkuAmerica> Baker: If you can live with lightdm-gtk-greeter (the XFCE login screen) of course.
[05:07] <ubuntuaddicted> Baker, you can just install ubuntu-desktop and then just choose that as your session when you login
[05:07] <Baker> I couldn't because I only had one burnable DVD at the time of downloading studio. I didn't know at the time that it ran X though.
[05:07] <Baker> It's a dumb reason, haha.
[05:08] <Tm_T> Baker: I mean, you have ubuntustudio installed, just install ubuntu-desktop package
[05:08] <Tm_T> no reason to reinstall the whole system
[05:08] <Baker> Is it really that easy?
[05:08] <SonikkuAmerica> Yeah
[05:08] <Tm_T> Baker: yes
[05:08] <ubuntuaddicted> WormFood, try the grub boot option nomodeset
[05:08] <wilee-nilee> that easy, click it and fahget it
[05:09] <kirang89_> Stameni, The nvidia drivers are quite unstable with ubuntu. 12.04 on my system crashed as well.
[05:09] <Baker> Groovy. So what's the command that I put into terminal to get ubuntu-desktop?
[05:09] <Tm_T> Baker: "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop"
[05:09] <ubuntuaddicted> im running 12.04 with an nvidia 8400gs and running 304.88
[05:09] <Guest67070> SonikkuAmerica, I know that much. I mean all the orangness in everything else. The gnome colors I want to change. hopefully 13.04 has something like that already or I can find one
[05:10] <ltrottier> for the record, the nice people at #vim figured out that it's fish shell
[05:10] <WormFood> ok ubuntuaddicted, I'll give it a shot, thanks for the suggestion
[05:10] <ubuntuaddicted> Guest67070, changing colors is easy.
[05:10] <Guest67070> ubuntuaddicted, you sure on 13.04?
[05:11] <pqatsi> Install Issue: DMRAID devices while using auto install + lvm does not boot.
[05:11] <pqatsi> Someone checked something like this
[05:11] <pqatsi> ?
[05:11] <Quix86-> yaaay
[05:11] <Quix86-> it worked
[05:12] <rebelrebel> so in order for me to use make i need GCC but how do i install GCC if i dont have a working wifi conenction
[05:12] <kirang89_> Stameni: In the end, I had to reinstall ubuntu all over again
[05:12] <ubuntuaddicted> Guest67070, any version of linux you can change colors
[05:13] <WormFood> wow ubuntuaddicted, that made it boot really fast, and it seems to work. Thanks a lot! ;)
[05:13] <Guest67070> ubuntuaddicted, but ubuntu has been a pain about it for me. Specailly when I tried to install ubuntu tweak. Wich doesn't seem to work with 13.04 yet
[05:13] <Quix86-> uh oh
[05:13] <Quix86-> now my taskbar is stuck
[05:14] <ubuntuaddicted> WormFood, glad it's working. don't forget to permanently update grub so it always has nomodeset
[05:14] <wilee-nilee> Guest67070, You using the tweak ppa? https://launchpad.net/~tualatrix/+archive/ppa
[05:14] <WormFood> right.
[05:14] <ubuntuaddicted> Guest67070, you don't need ubuntu tweek to change your theme colros
[05:15] <SuperDefenderX> I got Ubuntu Tweak running fine
[05:15] <SuperDefenderX> Mind you, some of the repos are unavailable
[05:15] <Quix86-> guess it's time to go try kde on debian
[05:16] <SuperDefenderX> Skype is still giving me headaches. Anyone got it working on 13.04 yet?
[05:16] <WormFood> downgrade to skype 4.0
[05:17] <Senor> help with disk full filled
[05:17] <wilee-nilee> SuperDefenderX, Is this relevant? http://www.webupd8.org/2013/04/fix-skype-not-working-in-ubuntu-1304.html
[05:17] <wrinklemonster> i dont suppose anyone could help me a little with a proxy problem
[05:18] <SuperDefenderX> About to find out! Cheers. :)
[05:18] <wrinklemonster> i've tried entering a manual proxy multiple times and my network doesnt work after that
[05:19] <wilee-nilee> Senor, Does it boot in?
[05:19] <WormFood> can I change ubuntu to use an encrypted hard drive, after I've installed ubuntu, or must that be done at the install stage?
[05:19] <Senor> my /dev/sda1 is 19G , mount at / , but the tools report / is only 4G ,what is the reason?
[05:20] <ubuntuaddicted> Senor, maybe 4G is all that's used or maybe all that's left
[05:20] <ubuntuaddicted> WormFood, for your /home/ partition?
[05:20] <wilee-nilee> WormFood, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostInstallationEncryption
[05:20] <Senor> but it report the / is 100% used
[05:21] <ubuntuaddicted> Senor, oh, when / is full, you can get funny reports from various programs
[05:21] <WormFood> yeah, should just need to be the /home partition
[05:22] <WormFood> I'm installing this for a friend, and he mentioned he wanted it encrypted, but when considering the additional overhead, he was giving it 2nd thoughts....so maybe he'll want to convert it in the future.
[05:22] <ubuntuaddicted> Senor, did you run sudo apt-get autoclean and sudo apt-get clean and sudo apt-get autoremove?
[05:22] <uroyanme> Hi, how do I find out what version of ubuntu I am running. Lol. I am using command line like a secomd semester student and I am te eh newb today
[05:22] <ubuntuaddicted> uroyanme, cat /etc/issue
[05:22] <Senor> ubuntuaddicted:what what is that?
[05:22] <uroyanme> ubuntuaddicted: thanks
[05:22] <Quix86-> ubuntuaddicted, there is a simple command for it
[05:23] <Quix86-> I was told it earlier today but I don't remember it
[05:23] <ubuntuaddicted> Senor, if your / is full, you need to clear out some space. i'm shocked your system even booted up
[05:23] <Quix86-> I remember uname -a but that's for kernel
[05:23] <Senor> you mean I should clean some temp files?
[05:23] <ubuntuaddicted> Quix86-, for what?
[05:23] <cfhowlett> uroyanme, lsb_release -a in a terminal will tell you
[05:23] <Quix86-> system version number
[05:23] <Quix86-> distro wise
[05:23] <wrinklemonster> any idea why ubuntu would be showing that every proxy i try is not functional?
[05:23] <WormFood> ok, I see now....I can encrypt the entire disk, or just the home directory...that's a nice feature to have (that is easily accessible by normal users)
[05:23] <Jdp123321> I have an inspiron 1300 and when i install ubuntu i do not get wireless. Cant find anything thatll work. Please help
[05:24] <cfhowlett> !wifi|Jdp123321, d
[05:24] <WormFood> wrinklemonster, did you check the proxy logs?
[05:24] <Quix86-> uroyanme, "lsb_release -a"
[05:24] <Senor> If one directory occupy large space ,the tools can report it
[05:24] <rebelrebel> cant get ethernet working, so i cant get online to get anything. This is a catch 22, how do you make anything wokr?
[05:24] <wrinklemonster> not sure how to private chat wormfood sorry still learning ircs
[05:24] <vnc786> i have added passwd command  in a file and saved it as a script but when i click on the script it ask me for three option "Run in terminal" "Display" "Cancel" "Run"
[05:24] <ubuntuaddicted> Quix86-, that no different then cat/etc/issue except i guess it does show you the codename
[05:24] <vnc786> how can i make it always "Run in terminal"  ???
[05:24] <k1l> Senor: first of all delet older kernels if you have several old ones still installed
[05:25] <WormFood> rebelrebel, download network drivers on another machine, and use sneakernet (usb) to get it on the machine.
[05:25] <Quix86-> ubuntuaddicted, it's easier :p
[05:25] <Senor> I have not
[05:25] <wrinklemonster> i've checked to make sure they are online, and i've tried about 40 ptoxies...
[05:25] <wrinklemonster> they cant all be offline
[05:25] <WormFood> wrinklemonster, type "/query username" to start a private chat with someone
[05:25] <rebelrebel> well how do i get the ethernet drivers? It seems everything needs to be complied by the machine doesnt have GCC
[05:25] <ubuntuaddicted> Quix86-, how? by 1 letter? lol
[05:26] <Quix86-> yes
[05:26] <mcc> Hi... here's one. I have a server with Ubuntu 10.04. I want python 2.6 on it. I search google. It says, use add-apt-repository to add a ppa. I try that. It says there's no such program as apt-add-repository. I check Google. It says, install the python-software-properties package. I do. It makes no difference whatsoever, and I still don't have add-apt-repository
[05:26] <mcc> How can I get dead snakes
[05:26] <CaptainShanks> Hi all, got a rather silly thing. I installed the fglrx-updates driver, and it works with my 7850 on 13.04, but I have a blinking cursor over my Unity session on the upper left... It's just very odd. Any others with the same issue?
[05:26] <CaptainShanks> I can get a screen if needed.
[05:26] <ubuntuaddicted> mcc, i think it's apt-add-repository
[05:26] <cfhowlett> !ppa|mcc,
[05:26] <Guest67070> I love the new window snap on ubuntu 13.04. hope compiz will let me change the color of that too
[05:27] <Senor> ubuntuaddicted:how can I do ?
[05:27] <ubuntuaddicted> Senor, do what?
[05:27] <Senor> my / is full
[05:27] <thomas____> 12.04 has window snap
[05:27] <Senor> I do not know the reason
[05:28] <mcc> ubuntuaddicted:neither are installed. the line i found on stackoverflow was sudo add-apt-repository ppa:fkrull/deadsnakes
[05:28] <mcc> !addppa
[05:28] <Jdp123321> Ubottu; have tried this before on 12.04lts will try again on 13.04
[05:28] <mcc> ok, yes. that is exactly the command which i am running and which is not working
[05:28] <uroyanme> If I lock myself out of ubuntu, can i change the splash rw init=/bin/bash set gfxpayload=$text ?
[05:28] <ubuntuaddicted> huh, that's weird because on my 12.04 install, it's sudo apt-add-repository
[05:29] <mcc> ubuntuaddicted: as mentioned, neither of these programs appears to exist on my machine
[05:29] <mcc> also to my confusion if i run "apt-file list python-software-properties"
[05:29] <uroyanme> mcc: check using terminal?
[05:29] <mcc> it doesn't appear to install anyting at all except documentation
[05:29] <ubuntuaddicted> mcc, then sudo apt-get install add-apt-repository
[05:29] <mcc> uroyanne: check what? i only have a terminal
[05:29] <mcc> the machine is headless
[05:30] <ubuntuaddicted> Senor, can you boot into recovery mode?
[05:30] <mcc> ubuntuaddicted, there is no such package; according to every source i've found, the program is installed by the apt-file list python-software-properties package
[05:30] <mcc> Considering hand-editing /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:30] <mcc> How much will i regret this
[05:31] <CaptainShanks> ah, never mind, sorted my problem by logging out and in :P gotta love the IT Crowd methodology
[05:31] <mcc> even more annoyingly, i appear to have already done this once on my other ubuntu 10.04 server and i can't remember how
[05:32] <Ben64> CaptainShanks: 1. have you tried turning it off and on again? 2. are you definitely sure it's plugged in?
[05:32] <mcc> if i do, like, apt-cache
[05:32] <mcc> does that draw from any sources besides /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[05:32] <Loshki> mcc: well make a quick backup first and you'll regret it much less. Just a quick cp -r /etc/apt /tmp may save you hours..
[05:32] <ak5> hey guys, how do I get easy_install on 12.04? It says to install python-setuptools but when I try it says that has no installation candidate
[05:32] <Guest67070> hope ubuntu adopts a more transparent aeroglass theme soon. Then they would tottally be more awsome to look at then 7. And I heard 13.04 handles windows pc games better then any  linux distro before it
[05:33] <uroyanme> I am going to school for Micro computer  tech. We dont do security till next semester. Can someone tell me where I can get back track or something to penetration test my pc?
[05:33] <ubuntuaddicted> Guest67070, can you link to where you think 13.04 will handle windows games better?
[05:33] <ak5> uroyanme: google?
[05:33] <uroyanme> A legit version.
[05:33] <mcc> Oh. No wonder.
[05:34] <ubuntuaddicted> uroyanme, back track or the newest fork of back track is free isn't it?
[05:34] <mcc> This isn't 10.04. It's 8.04.
[05:34] <Loshki> mcc: yes, I think it also reads /etc/apt/*.d
[05:34] <Ben64> uroyanme: backtrack is free, check google. it's not supported in here though
[05:34] <ubuntuaddicted> mcc, lol
[05:34] <uroyanme> Ok, Guys
[05:34] <uroyanme> you are assuming
[05:34] <Baker> So yeah, I ended up trying the regular ubuntu desktop environment with Unity. And I didn't like it, haha.
[05:34] <CaptainShanks> @Ben64 bahaha,  always gotta force those unexpected reboots
[05:34] <rebelrebel> where can i get a gcc.deb package, the debian website is not working for me
[05:34] <uroyanme> I am asking because I got a bad version last time, I don't know who makes backtrack
[05:34]  * mcc generally does not think she should have to upgrade anything ever :(
[05:34] <woo> Ben64: Kali-Linux is the new bt.  BT is gone.
[05:34] <Ben64> uroyanme: sorry, but we can't help you with that
[05:34] <ubuntuaddicted> uroyanme, http://www.backtrack-linux.org/
[05:34] <uroyanme> thanks
[05:34] <Guest67070> ubuntuaddicted, no. I just know this guy on youtube was showwing off world of warcraft and how smoothly it was running on ubuntu 13.04 like never before on the ubuntu's before. If this is true it is fantastic news.
[05:35] <woo> uroyanme: pm me
[05:35] <uroyanme> ubuntuaddicted: thanks.
[05:35] <sgo11> just read ubuntu 13.04 release notes. it says 13.04 will only ship with python3. But most of programs support python2 only. If I install python2 and switch to python2, is that OK? are there any instructions on how to handle this situation in 13.04? thanks.
[05:35] <Guest67070> I love windows 7. But wow raring ringtale has caught my attention. running off live usb right now
[05:35] <Ben64> Guest67070: wow has worked for quite a long time in linux
[05:36] <Guest67070> Ben64, oh...well I thought I heard pc games will run much smoother now on this distro. And yeah wow appearently runs very smoothly now
[05:36] <ntzrmtthihu777> anyone here can tell me if they got wxruby working on 12.04/ruby-1.9.3? I know its kinda a better question for #ruby, but the channel is not moving at all and this seems to be an ubuntu-specific bug
[05:37] <Senor> ubuntuaddicted: which command can tell the total size of one directory?
[05:38] <Ben64> Senor: df
[05:38] <Ben64> Senor: oh wait i read that wrong... du
[05:38] <Senor> directory
[05:39] <Senor> what is full name of du?
[05:39] <Ben64> du
[05:39] <Senor> disk u...?
[05:39] <MissValeska> I need help! Someone please help me!
[05:39] <Ben64> Senor: nope, du
[05:39] <ubuntuaddicted> MissValeska, ask your question
[05:39] <ntzrmtthihu777> !ask | MissValeska
[05:39] <MissValeska> I've waited like, Four or five hours! The Ubuntu 13.04 upgrade is not worknig
[05:39] <Senor> patience
[05:40] <Senor> my disk is full
[05:40] <ntzrmtthihu777> and this is why I never use the in-install upgrade.
[05:40] <ubuntuaddicted> WOW, startup disk creator says my 4GB flash drive isn't large enough for 13.04 xubuntu which is only 804MB in size
[05:40] <ntzrmtthihu777> ubuntuaddicted: needs 4.3
[05:40] <MissValeska> It has stalled at about half way, It just says installed cabextract
[05:40] <Ben64> Senor: "ls -hoSr" "du" and "find" are your friends
[05:40] <k1l> MissValeska: what does "lsb_release -r" give you in terminal?
[05:40] <ubuntuaddicted> Senor, are you booted into recovery mode?
[05:41] <MissValeska>  13.04
[05:41] <MissValeska> I have teamviewer
[05:41] <k1l> MissValeska: oh, the upgrade had started and is not finished?
[05:41] <Guest67070> omg this ubuntu rocks. Its insanely fast on my 2 gb laptop. Hope power cunsomption is less then 12.04 and 12.10 was.
[05:41] <MissValeska> yeah
[05:41] <Jdp123321> Trying to install b43 driver for wifi on ubuntu. I entered the command sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-install and it says unable to locate package. Help
[05:41] <k1l> ubuntuaddicted: live-system takes more space than the iso file
[05:42] <wilee-nilee> Jdp123321, You on the web with ethernet?
[05:42] <Jdp123321> Yes
[05:42] <ubuntuaddicted> k1l, but 4GB isn't enough? WOW
[05:43] <k1l> ubuntuaddicted: that should be enough
[05:43] <wilee-nilee> Jdp123321, You have run a update and upgrade?
[05:43] <k1l> ubuntuaddicted: are you sure its set up properly?
[05:43] <theadmin> Okay, I'm on Raring. Is there a way to get rid of the "legal notice" on the bottom of the dash?
[05:43] <wilee-nilee> !b43
[05:44] <ubuntuaddicted> k1l, using startup disk creator within 12.04, i click erase disk on my 4Gb flash drive, choose my 13.04 iso and the GUI says the 4GB flash drive isn't enough space
[05:45] <ubuntuaddicted> k1l, oh, i just read this, "When you install Xubuntu from the Desktop CD, you need 4.4 GB of free space on your hard disk"
[05:45] <k1l> so its a xubuntu iso
[05:45] <theadmin> k1l: That's not related to the image. You'll need exactly as much space as the image size for creating a LiveUSB
[05:45] <ubuntuaddicted> k1l, yeah, i said xubuntu from the start
[05:45] <theadmin> Err
[05:45] <theadmin> ubuntuaddicted: ^
[05:46] <wilee-nilee> ubuntuaddicted, Have you hit ctrl-h and checked if the trash has anything in it?
[05:46] <ubuntuaddicted> ntzrmtthihu777, i didn't notice you answered, thanks
[05:46] <ntzrmtthihu777> ubuntuaddicted: no problem.
[05:47] <ubuntuaddicted> theadmin, obviously something isn't working. let me check the trash but i don't see how that would matter
[05:47] <ubuntuaddicted> theadmin, trash is empty
[05:47] <jdp123321_> wilee-nilee: what do i do? i got cut off so if you said anything i didnt see it.
[05:47] <theadmin> ubuntuaddicted: Eh. I never used usb-creator to create bootable USBs. My solution is of simple: sudo dd if=ubuntu-13.04-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/sdb
[05:47] <stoogle> Hello everyone, I have a dell MD1000 ( HDD Raidaray ) which is plugged into my ubuntu server. It's mounted at 4tb in total. I have just put in an extra 10tb worth of HDD's into the array. However its not recognising them. I take it i have to reallocate the mount, is that correct?
[05:47] <wilee-nilee> !b43 | jdp123321_ is all I know
[05:48] <jdp123321_> wilee-nilee: thats the guide im following
[05:48] <MissValeska> :(  ugh
[05:48] <theadmin> ubuntuaddicted: Make sure "sdb" really is your stick, though.
[05:48] <wilee-nilee> jdp123321_, I see some specifics on the web with 13.04, however I have never had to install these drivers.
[05:48] <ThatOneRoadie> Anyone know if 12.10 -> 13.04 writes any GRUB changes?
[05:49] <wilee-nilee> ThatOneRoadie, What s the problem?
[05:49] <wilee-nilee> is*
[05:49] <k1l> ThatOneRoadie: since it got a new kernel it will update grub, yes
[05:49] <ThatOneRoadie> wilee-nilee: Upgrading a SAN-Boot linux box
[05:49] <ThatOneRoadie> awesome, I'll re-edit grub before I restart
[05:50] <stoogle> dont mean to spam and post again: I have a dell MD1000 ( HDD Raidaray ) which is plugged into my ubuntu server. It's mounted at 4tb in total. I have just put in an extra 10tb worth of HDD's into the array. However its not recognising them. I take it i have to reallocate the mount, is that correct?
[05:50] <ubuntuaddicted> theadmin, it's not "sdb", where did you get that from? here's a screenshot https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-3XoOevcDX4U/UXoVhysWIRI/AAAAAAAABv4/-rePbswzIUw/s523/Screenshot%2520-%252004262013%2520-%252012%253A49%253A35%2520AM.png
[05:50] <ntzrmtthihu777> theadmin: thanks for the command, but still makes no diff on a too small device.
[05:50] <k1l> ThatOneRoadie: just change the grub config in /etc/defaults to your need. so you dont need that every time
[05:51] <theadmin> ntzrmtthihu777: I installed Raring from a 4GB stick, it worked fine
[05:51] <ntzrmtthihu777> ubuntuaddicted: sdb is used for an example here; usually you are currently booted into /dev/sda, so the next device would be sdb
[05:51] <ntzrmtthihu777> theadmin: is that so?
[05:51] <ubuntuaddicted> theadmin, well, look at the pic i provided. pictures dont lie. ;)
[05:51] <theadmin> ubuntuaddicted: The picture doesn't have device names...
[05:52] <wilee-nilee> ubuntuaddicted, If you right click the usb what does it say for data amount?
[05:52] <comradekingu> http://www.ubuntu.com/tour/ this doesnt work in newest iceweasel or opera
[05:52] <ntzrmtthihu777> ubuntuaddicted: hit the eraise disk button on the lexar and see about it.
[05:52] <ubuntuaddicted> ntzrmtthihu777, i did that already, i also erased it using gparted
[05:52] <ubuntuaddicted> wilee-nilee, right click where, when it's shown in the desktop?
[05:52] <ntzrmtthihu777> ubuntuaddicted: and did you listen? I said in the usb creator
[05:53] <ThatOneRoadie> k1l: I have changed it. every update-grup doesn't add the [ ip=dhcp ISCSI_INITIATOR ... ]
[05:53] <bateee> Hi, Can we install a certification authority on Ubuntu Server?
[05:53] <ubuntuaddicted> ntzrmtthihu777, i said I ALREADY DID THAT
[05:53] <ThatOneRoadie> update-grub*
[05:53] <stoogle> anyone able to assist?
[05:53] <ntzrmtthihu777> !shouting | ubuntuaddicted
[05:53] <wilee-nilee> ubuntuaddicted, Where ever it is showing
[05:53] <ubuntuaddicted> ntzrmtthihu777, and ALSO used gparted
[05:53] <ntzrmtthihu777> !caps | ubuntuaddicted
[05:53] <ubuntuaddicted> ntzrmtthihu777, i wouldn't shout if you'd read
[05:53] <ubuntuaddicted> anyway, later guys. thanks for trying to help
[05:54] <theadmin> ubuntuaddicted: FWIW, does your stick have multiple partitions on it? If so, that may be the problem.
[05:54] <ubuntuaddicted> theadmin, no, it doesn't.
[05:54] <theadmin> ubuntuaddicted: Hm... Hamsters.
[05:54] <stoogle> no one knows how to introduce extra HDD's to a raid?
[05:55] <ThatOneRoadie> stoogle: whether you can or not depends wholly on your raid card
[05:55] <ThatOneRoadie> Some RAID Cards allow expansion, others require an array rebuild
[05:55] <makara> hi. Is there any way to rename a virtual terminal. I always end up with like 8 terminals all called 'mar@sol' and have to click through them to find wot Im lookin 4
[05:55] <stoogle> its a md1000 raidarray
 ubuntuaddicted: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[05:55] <skillpiG> I enjoyed that
[05:55] <skillpiG> :D
[05:55] <stoogle> and a 2950 dell server
[05:56] <ntzrmtthihu777> makara: yeah, I forget the method but it was a function inserted in my .bashrc
[05:56] <ThatOneRoadie> stoogle: Raid version?
[05:56] <stoogle> i think its a raid 1......
[05:56] <stoogle> i think, not sure how to check
[05:57] <jdp123321> wilee-nilee:i left out the sudo part and it worked. wierd
[05:57] <jdp123321> how do i find out what wifi driver the system autoloads and blacklist it. than make the b43 wifi driver autoload
[05:58] <wilee-nilee> jdp123321, If you open the terminal do you see a # opr $
[05:58] <wilee-nilee> or*
[05:58] <jdp123321> $
[05:58] <wilee-nilee> cool
[05:58] <ThatOneRoadie> stoogle: Dell OpenManage will tell you what RAID ## your MD1000 is, and is also the tool to use for expanding (if possible) the array
[05:59] <ThatOneRoadie> I know Raid 10 and Raid 6 can't be expanded
[05:59] <jdp123321> wilee-nilee: wifi still doesnt work though. i need to blacklist the current one it says. how do i figure out which one is in use now?
[05:59] <stoogle> Thank you Roadie, is that the one also known as "DRAC?
[06:00] <wilee-nilee> jdp123321, Not sure to be honest I have never had to mess with wireless stuff luckily.
[06:00] <makara> ntzrmtthihu777, not just a way to rename the prompt?
[06:00] <ThatOneRoadie> No, the DRAC is Lights-out management on dell servers
[06:00] <jdp123321> anyone know how to see the currently loaded wifi driver and blacklist it?
[06:01] <Immatix> Does anyone know if the vulnerability in tinc (http://www.debian.org/security/2013/dsa-2663) affects Ubuntu as well?
[06:01] <makara> that could get ugly
[06:01] <theadmin> jdp123321: If in a GUI, click the Network Manager's icon and choose "Connection information", then look at the driver field
[06:01] <ThatOneRoadie> stoogle: see http://en.community.dell.com/techcenter/systems-management/w/wiki/1757.dell-openmanage-systems-management-tools.aspx
[06:03] <theadmin> Immatix: Considering Ubuntu imports Debian upstream, it's likely. I'd check the changelog for the package in Ubuntu just to be sure, though.
[06:06] <Immatix> theadmin: I'm guessing no, the most recent entry in the changelog for Precise is from 23 Jul 2011
[06:06] <theadmin> ...I don't even, Precise was released in 2012 so how is that even possible
[06:07] <theadmin> Oh well
[06:07] <jdp123321> trying to connect to wifi. it sees the network, i click it, enter the password, but it wont connect?
[06:07] <ntzrmtthihu777> makara: not one that I know of right off hand
[06:07] <MissValeska> I am on my macbook, I am upgrading from Ubuntu 12.10 to 13.04. The upgrade went fine, Up until about half way, Where it just stopped. No error message, And it is no frozen. Nothing is happening, It just says installed cabextract
[06:07] <Immatix> theadmin: It looks like the same version used in Oneiric
[06:07] <Immatix> I guess I'll just have to build it manually
[06:08] <sploit> what is the best way to reverse 'sudo chown -R user:group /'
[06:08] <wilee-nilee> MissValeska, Did you install ubuntu from windows?
[06:09] <marcusk> sploit: restore from backup
[06:09] <ntzrmtthihu777> sploit: why would you do that XD
[06:09] <Immatix> I think checkinstall will work for this
[06:09] <sploit> ntzrmtthihu777: I was trying to copy some files.
[06:10] <k1l> MissValeska: you mentioned teamviewer before. are you connecting through it?
[06:10] <theadmin> sploit: Well... Your best option is probably to reinstall, honestly
[06:10] <MissValeska> No, i didn't
[06:10] <theadmin> sploit: I mean, most of data in / is owned by root:root, but not all of it
[06:10] <jdp123321> trying to connect to wifi. it sees the network, i click it, enter the password, but it wont connect? any help?
[06:10] <wilee-nilee> MissValeska, Heh I missed the apple refrence my bad.
[06:11] <ntzrmtthihu777> !patience | jdp123321
[06:11] <MissValeska> No, I am not
[06:11] <k1l> MissValeska: what does "sudo apt-get update&&sudo apt-get upgrade" give you? (please pastebin)
[06:11] <MissValeska> I have teamviewer, Which you can connect to if you want.
[06:11] <jdp123321> sorry my internet is screwy. didnt know if it sent or not.
[06:11] <ntzrmtthihu777> MissValeska: not a good idear to just let random folk teamview you.
[06:12] <MissValeska> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to lock directory /var/lib/apt/lists/ E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[06:12] <skillpiG> ubottu - I like you
[06:12] <skillpiG> for a digital being
[06:12] <marcusk> theadmin: Like for example any home directoy that might be on the system. Just reinstalling the system won't give them back, you'll have to recover from backup in that case.
[06:12] <skillpiG> i love you ubottu
[06:12] <theadmin> marcusk: Well, home folders are an easy fix
[06:13] <theadmin> marcusk: Because you always know who exactly owns them
[06:13] <ntzrmtthihu777> theadmin: exactly
[06:13] <theadmin> marcusk: But... Stuff like apache's directories are owned by weirdos like www-data etc...
[06:13] <Immatix> geez, tinc in raring isn't even updated
[06:14] <fluo75> Hi all, problem with CD of Ubuntu-gnome 13.04, impossible de go any further than Grub, I get a blank screen and then nothing. I tried nomodeset with any success. It's a brand new PC with only crappy win8. Any ideas? (try booting from CD & USB)
[06:15] <wilee-nilee> fluo75, You familiar with the uefi wiki?
[06:15] <theadmin> fluo75: Is it 64-bit?
[06:15] <marcusk> theadmin: It depends. I have several files in my home directory that have different group owners by design.
[06:15] <theadmin> fluo75: Only 64-bit versions of Ubuntu support UEFI.
[06:15] <theadmin> marcusk: Ah, well, that's a rare case
[06:16] <fluo75> Yes 64 bit version. (ubuntu-gnome version)
[06:17] <theadmin> fluo75: Where did you find that, by the way? I can't find any wobsite for that edition of any sort
[06:18] <wilee-nilee> theadmin, There is gnome only spin
[06:18] <theadmin> wilee-nilee: Yeah I know, which is what I'm asking, what's the site/page for it?
[06:18] <wilee-nilee> I figured you probably knew. ;)
[06:19] <ntzrmtthihu777> you may like xubuntu. I've fallen in love, its soooooo lightweight and customizable
[06:19] <theadmin> Oh, hamsters. No website.
[06:19] <theadmin> ntzrmtthihu777: Nay, I like Unity myself, I just try to keep track of all the official editions to be able to provide support
[06:20] <ntzrmtthihu777> blech. oh well, to each his own ;)
[06:23] <jimg> Hi, upgrading from 12.10 to 13.04 and machine has frozen (mouse and keyboard). It happened at "Replace the customised configuration file '/etc/gnome/defaults.list'?" while I was scrolling through the diff
[06:23] <jimg> Any advice?
[06:24] <theadmin> jimg: Happened to me too. What I did was a hard reset, followed by "sudo dpkg --configure -a ; sudo apt-get -f install ; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade". It may not work well for you, though, but it did for me
[06:25] <skillpiG> theadmin - you appear to be a guru in these quarters
[06:25] <ntzrmtthihu777> jimg: yes. have a separate /home partition and never use the upgrade. re-install, do *not* tell it to use the /home partition, then after install is complete edit the fstab to automount the /home partition.
[06:25] <theadmin> skillpiG: Well, I've been using Ubuntu a lot since Intrepid
[06:25] <skillpiG> I recently upgraded my mobo/cpu etc and I ran into some problems
[06:25] <jimg> theadmin: thanks. I thought I might be able to try something before a hard reset but I'll give that a try
[06:25] <skillpiG> the one core is at 100% the whole time and I struggle to use the mouse :/
[06:25] <skillpiG> this was in 12.10 x64
[06:26] <skillpiG> CPU is the FX-8350
[06:26] <Immatix> hmm https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tinc
[06:26] <skillpiG> top reported no service or application utilizing much of the processor, but the overall information at the top said 100% CPU utilization
[06:27] <ThatOneRoadie> for 13.10, the default kernel is 3.8.0-19 yes?
[06:27] <jimg> ntzrmtthihu777: just so I'm clear are you saying that it is much safer to reinstall Ubuntu every release, rather than upgrade?
[06:28] <tomreyn> is it correct that the ubuntu-partner repository no longer provides adobe-flash?
[06:28] <skillpiG> don't worry theadmin - I'm sure it will be patched or fixed with 13.04, I was dual booting win8 and 12.10
[06:28] <Ben64> ThatOneRoadie: #ubuntu+1 for 13.10
[06:28] <tomreyn> ...starting with raring
[06:28] <ntzrmtthihu777> jimg: I have lost track of how many folk I see in here asking the very same question you did.
[06:28] <skillpiG> so I'll just wait it out, atleast my laptop is running ubuntu fine at work :>
[06:28] <skillpiG> <:
[06:28] <skillpiG> >:
[06:28] <theadmin> tomreyn: Seems so :(
[06:28] <theadmin> tomreyn: The main repos still have flashplugin-installer
[06:28] <ThatOneRoadie> %s/13.10/13.04
[06:28] <tomreyn> theadmin: yes, i was just wondering whether anyone is aware of a strategic decision by canonical there
[06:28] <ThatOneRoadie> for 13.04, the default kernel is 3.8.0-19 yes?
[06:29] <jimg> ntzrmtthihu777: Interesting to know.  Thanks
[06:29] <theadmin> ThatOneRoadie: Indeed.
[06:29] <ntzrmtthihu777> jimg: and make sure you do *not* choose to use the /home partition durin the partitioning; as it will overwrite your $HOME dir if you chose the same username.
[06:29] <Ben64> ThatOneRoadie: good, because 13.10 isn't even started yet
[06:29] <jimg> ntzrmtthihu777: got it
[06:30] <theadmin> ntzrmtthihu777: Huhwha? No it won't, the installer reuses existing user directories if possible. Well, unless you tell it to format /home of course.
[06:30]  * ThatOneRoadie prays the SAN install completed
[06:30] <cebor> how can i activate ubuntu-webapps @ 13.04, must i install the ppa ?? with google-chrome
[06:31] <ThatOneRoadie> otherwise this upgrade is going to be a royal pain
[06:31] <ntzrmtthihu777> theadmin: I was very specific in not telling it to format it, but still my stuff vanished.
[06:31] <theadmin> ntzrmtthihu777: That's very odd, I did an install a while ago and it kept everything, same username
[06:31] <ntzrmtthihu777> perhaps a bug, or maybe a human error on my part, but it takes very little skill to change a line in /etc/fstab
[06:31] <theadmin> cebor: Chrome isn't supported by Ubuntu at all
[06:32] <ntzrmtthihu777> and so I feel much safer with it in my hands than in the hands of the machine.
[06:32] <ThatOneRoadie> theadmin: there's a version of chrome out for ubuntu o.O
[06:32] <docvell> is 13.04 out now or later on today?
[06:32] <theadmin> ThatOneRoadie: Yes, but it's not supported *by* Ubuntu, as in the Ubuntu developerss.
[06:32] <ThatOneRoadie> ah
[06:32] <theadmin> docvell: Yesterday :P
[06:32] <ThatOneRoadie> ^
[06:32] <theadmin> cebor: They work fine in Chromium though.
[06:33] <ThatOneRoadie> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[06:33] <docvell> ah ok
[06:33] <ThatOneRoadie> whoops, VM didn't focus. sorry.
[06:33] <helmut_> hi
[06:33] <cebor> thx
[06:33] <we6jbo> Hi
[06:34] <cebor> theadmin: ok i installed gmail with firefox, now works with chrome
[06:34] <theadmin> Is there a way to bring the dual-pane mode for Nautilus back in 13.04?
[06:34] <docvell> thanks for the info
[06:35] <ntzrmtthihu777> theadmin: dual pane? whazzat, and is raring gonna take it from me?
[06:35] <crimsonmane> theadmin: you mean F3 ?
[06:35] <exeter> i have installed ralink rt3290 driver(for ubuntu 12.10) on my laptop dual booted wih win 8 as my wi-fi wasnt working , but after installation as soon as i enable my wifi my system crashes . What should i do>>>
[06:35] <theadmin> crimsonmane: Yep, doesn't work on Raring :/
[06:35] <theadmin> ntzrmtthihu777: It's kind of like what mc, FAR, Norton Commander and such others do
[06:35] <crimsonmane> theadmin: check the settings in nautilus...
[06:35] <ntzrmtthihu777> theadmin: I have no idea what/who any of that is XD
[06:36] <theadmin> crimsonmane: Where exactly? I can't find anything related.
[06:36] <crimsonmane> theadmin: i wouldn't know. perhaps google will help us
[06:37] <theadmin> Seems the GNOME team decided to remove a very useful feature. Again.
[06:37] <ntzrmtthihu777> /bin/sh: 1: emote: not found
[06:38] <ntzrmtthihu777> ah shit!!!! I forgot about backing up my script *cries*
[06:38] <theadmin> ntzrmtthihu777: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthodox_file_manager
[06:38] <crimsonmane> theadmin: i thought it was a Nautilus feature not gnome. i have the feature in Dolphin
[06:38] <belgianguy> hi, I'm still not able to execut .sh scripts from within Nautilus
[06:38] <theadmin> crimsonmane: Nautilus is part of the GNOME project
[06:39] <crimsonmane> belgianguy: right click the .sh file, select "allow execute as program"
[06:39] <theadmin> belgianguy: Right click them, go to Properties, Permissions, allow executing file as program
[06:39] <belgianguy> I used to get a prompt whether I wanted to open it or run it
[06:39] <ntzrmtthihu777> theadmin: ah, gotcah.
[06:39] <ntzrmtthihu777> belgianguy: it needs x permissions.
[06:39] <sirronb> quit
[06:39] <theadmin> belgianguy: Also, now Nautilus defaults to displaying them. Preferences -> Behaviour -> Executable text files -> Ask each time to bring back the old one
[06:40] <belgianguy> crimsonmane theadmin I set it to executable, but it won't do it
[06:40] <belgianguy> theadmin: ahh, that might be it
[06:41] <belgianguy> http://i.imgur.com/PnnaOZI.png
[06:41] <theadmin> belgianguy: I don't speak Finnish or whatever that is
[06:42] <belgianguy> theadmin: that'd be Dutch, but you were right
[06:42] <crimsonmane> theadmin: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/07/nautilus-patch-brings-missing-file-manager-features-back-to-ubuntu
[06:42] <belgianguy> it's the 'ask each time' flag
[06:43] <theadmin> crimsonmane: 'tis for 12.04, but thanks anyway. Not like I really need that feature, it was just handy. Eh well.
[06:43] <crimsonmane> yeah i use it constantly
[06:45] <ntzrmtthihu777> heh. I rather am glad I was able to get the "desktop grid" feature without compiz
[06:45] <tomreyn> theadmin: i guess flashplugin-installer is of limited use:    "flashplugin-installer: downloading http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/adobe-flashplugin_11.2.202.280.orig.tar.gz"
[06:46] <theadmin> tomreyn: It's still the original Flash plugin and will work all the same
[06:46] <nitin_> hii... how to change settings of laptop web cam
[06:46] <ntzrmtthihu777> tomreyn: it downloads it and automates the install.
[06:46] <theadmin> tomreyn: Except you won't get the Flash Player Settings app, but you can use the web-based settings manager adobe provides anyways
[06:46] <tomreyn> ntzrmtthihu777: it downloads it from the ubuntu partner repository, which, we assume, will not get any updates.
[06:46] <theadmin> nitin_: Details?
[06:46] <ntzrmtthihu777> nitin_: what you trying to do?
[06:47] <ntzrmtthihu777> tomreyn: it works fine with me :P
[06:47] <nitin_> i want to set the brightness
[06:47] <theadmin> tomreyn: Flash for Linux has been dropped by Adobe. It won't get any updates ever, at all
[06:47] <tomreyn> theadmin: i'm referring to security updates
[06:47] <theadmin> tomreyn: Except some security fixes (which will be added)
[06:47] <theadmin> tomreyn: Ah, never mind then
[06:48] <nitin_> theadmin, ntzrmtthihu777 i want to set the brightness
[06:48] <exeter> Ubuntu 13.04 supports new machines .. better than 12.10??
[06:48] <theadmin> exeter: Likely.
[06:48] <ak5> what are "new machines"
[06:48] <theadmin> Anyway, I'll be back soon.
[06:48] <theadmin> Maybe.
[06:49] <tomreyn> theadmin, ntzrmtthihu777: so my point is: if canonical dropped support via their partner repositories, then, to get security updates, they would need to be downloded from adobe, not canonical's partner repository. but flashplugin-installer loads it from canonicals' partner repository, at least currently.
[06:51]  * ThatOneRoadie smacks GRUB
[06:54] <ct529> hi everybody! I am finding difficult to control cpu frequency .... in the past your use cpufreq-set .... what can you use now?
[06:55] <wilee-nilee> ct529, install indicator-cpufreq
[06:55] <ct529> wilee-nilee: done already, but how do you use from CLI? I hate using applets ....
[06:55] <ThatOneRoadie> damn, pre-upgrade 2GB free on a 6GB drive. Post-13.04 install, ~407mb left
[06:56] <ThatOneRoadie> is there a post-install cleanup command somewhere
[06:57] <wilee-nilee> ThatOneRoadie, sudo apt-get autoremove && sudo apt-get autoclean && sudo apt-get clean
[06:57] <ThatOneRoadie> lol
[06:58] <ThatOneRoadie> I managed to typo sudo differently all three times in that line
[06:58] <ThatOneRoadie> time for bed soon I think
[06:58] <ntzrmtthihu777> XD
[06:58] <wilee-nilee> copy and paste
[06:58] <ntzrmtthihu777> also, bitbleach will clear a buncha crud too
[06:58] <ThatOneRoadie> first, audo, then sudp, then suso
[06:58] <ThatOneRoadie> XD
[06:58] <ThatOneRoadie> fat fingers
[06:58] <ThatOneRoadie> thaaat's better, 1.8gb free
[06:59] <ntzrmtthihu777> don wory, we all had the sudo blues before
[07:04] <bender> hello
[07:04] <bender> i kinda need help
[07:04] <ntzrmtthihu777> ask away
[07:05] <bender> i have the issue that i cannot upgrade to the new 13.04 release
[07:05] <bender> issue is, that i cannot add the gpg key
[07:05] <stoogle> Does anyone know anything about virtual disks in Dell OpenManage web based????????????? i just need to confirm an option to choose as i have added additional HDD's
[07:05] <ntzrmtthihu777> bender: 1. you would be better off with a reinstall.
[07:05] <bender> hmmm
[07:06] <ntzrmtthihu777> bender: 2. do you have a separate /home partition?
[07:07] <bender> well that would be a solution, just to reinstall it
[07:07] <bender> and no i don't
[07:08] <bender> but i don't have really productive data on it.. so... i guess i'm better off doing a reinstall
[07:08] <bender> was hoping to get around it
[07:08] <ntzrmtthihu777> I can't tell you how many times I've seen folk in here with issues doing an upgrade. it never works in my experience.
[07:08] <bender> thanks for the help
[07:08] <Thete> is tightvnc still a good vnc server on Ubuntu?
[07:16] <Kartagis> when is the next LTS? 14.04?
[07:16] <ntzrmtthihu777> Kartagis: lts are released a year apart from each other.
[07:17] <Ben64> 2 years
[07:17] <ntzrmtthihu777> Kartagis: the release number reflects their release date.
[07:17] <ntzrmtthihu777> Ben64: whut? I thought the .04 line were all lts?
[07:17] <Ben64> nope
[07:17] <Ben64> every two years. 8.04, 10.04, 12.04, 14.04, 16.04, etc
[07:18] <ntzrmtthihu777> sho right. so 13.04 is not lts? more reason to stick with precise :P
[07:18] <Ben64> yep, i'm still on 12.04
[07:18] <Thete> The odd # releases have never been LTS
[07:19] <Kartagis> so, I'm right to assume 14.04 is LTS
[07:19] <Thete> probably
[07:19] <ntzrmtthihu777> assuming policy does not change. it can happen.
[07:20] <ThatOneRoadie> aaand ubuntu successfully upgraded and SAN-booting
[07:20] <ThatOneRoadie> kickass
[07:21] <cfhowlett> Kartagis, 14.04 will be LTS
[07:21] <Shogoot> Hi people!. The issue: I got a server that i installed vsftpd on, made a user and connected to the server. When the server connects it connects to root... and i have been trying to make /var/www/html as default ftp root and that the user has write/read to that folder as this person is going to upload/download its own html pages and resources...  Another strange  thing is that when i change directory i can change to any directory that is not /var/www/html (
[07:21] <Shogoot> ???) - Anyone that can help me find the solution to this?
[07:21] <cfhowlett> Shogoot, perhaps ask in #ubuntu-server
[07:22] <sw> Hi, can someone explain what the --delete-after option does in rsync as I don't quite understand the man. Does it mean that files/folders that are on the destination but not source any longer are removed?
[07:22] <Thete> so much easier to just use sftp
[07:24] <ntzrmtthihu777> maybe so, but easier and what a person wants/needs are often two entirely different things.
[07:24] <Shogoot>  Thete I need the Jailing to be problem hasse free
[07:24] <marcusk> sw: It deletes extraneous files after the transfer instead of before
[07:25] <marcusk> Thete: Maybe easier, but does something different.
[07:25] <sw> marcusk, So files that are on the destination but no longer in the source?
[07:25] <marcusk> sw: yep
[07:25] <sw> marcusk, Thanks!
[07:25] <crimsonmane> sw: it means it deltes after the transfer is done, not during
[07:26] <crimsonmane> oh you got an answer
[07:26] <crimsonmane> n/m
[07:26] <SecretFire> why doesn't iphone mount in 12.10 if i see it in lsusb?
[07:26] <auronandace> !iphone | SecretFire
[07:27] <ntzrmtthihu777> better yet, avoid iAnything.
[07:27] <slezy> hey everyone. im having a hell of a time with the software center and authentication . im not sure how to fix. if someone could assist me i would be your best friend
[07:27] <ntzrmtthihu777> slezy: sup
[07:28] <slezy> hey!
[07:28] <ntzrmtthihu777> !details
[07:29] <Gops> Hi i am having ubuntu 10.4
[07:29] <Gops> finding difficulties in installing wireless driver
[07:29] <cfhowlett> Gops, on the desktop ?
[07:29] <ntzrmtthihu777> !eol | Gops
[07:29] <Gops> dwa525
[07:29] <cfhowlett> Gops, 10.04 has reached end of life ... no further support will be forthcoming
[07:29] <cfhowlett> Gops, as of 05/09/13
[07:30] <Gops> but one of my product will work on this version only
[07:30] <cfhowlett> Gops, consider your upgrade options ...
[07:30] <Kquarkq> Hello!, is possible to convert ntsf to ext4?
[07:30] <ntzrmtthihu777> Gops: what product
[07:30] <cfhowlett> Gops, what?  ONLY works on 10.04?
[07:30] <Gops> openbravo
[07:30] <ntzrmtthihu777> Kartagis: short answer, no. long aswer, no.
[07:30] <Ben64> Kquarkq: no, you have to backup, format, and put the files back on
[07:30] <ntzrmtthihu777> Gops: and what is openbravo
[07:31] <Kquarkq> thank
[07:31] <Gops> it is an opensource erp application
[07:31] <ntzrmtthihu777> and erp is?
[07:31] <cfhowlett> Gops, are you running 10.04 on the server or desktop?
[07:31] <vlt> cfhowlett: Isn’t a wifi driver part of the server edition and supported until 2015?
[07:31] <Gops> desktop
[07:32] <cfhowlett> Gops,  contact openbravo.  pretty sure they have a method to install on a supported version of ubuntu....
[07:32] <cfhowlett> vlt, depends on the wifi driver
[07:33] <slezy> im pretty sure im on the latest ubuntu 13.4. when i try to install most software i get this error  "Requires installation of untrusted packages The action would require the installation of packages from not authenticated sources." right now im trying to install a mtp program so i can trasfer music to my droid
[07:33] <Ben64> https://launchpad.net/~openbravo-isv/+archive/ppa
[07:33] <Ben64> openbravo has a ppa with precise supported
[07:33] <cfhowlett> Gops, in other words, you can and should update to 12.04 then install open bravo.
[07:33] <cfhowlett> Ben64, thanks.
[07:34] <Ben64> little bit of google-fu
[07:34] <cfhowlett> slezy, as stated, the package is unsigned and untrusted.  your choice
[07:35] <slezy> i went to this page http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1626757 and used Synaptic Package Manager and fallowed the detections and still cant figure it out.
[07:36] <ItsMeLenny> in the network manager, what is "link local only" and "shared to other computers", I've google link local only over and over and returned nothing helpful
[07:36] <Shogoot> Hi people!. The issue: I got a server that i installed vsftpd on, made a user and connected to the server. When the server connects it connects to root... and i have been trying to make /var/www/html as default ftp root and that the user has write/read to that folder as this person is going to upload/download its own html pages and resources...  Another strange  thing is that when i change directory i can change to any directory that is not /var/www/html (
[07:36] <Shogoot> ???) - Anyone that can help me find the solution to this?
[07:37] <ItsMeLenny> slezy,  thats because you dont have the gpg key for whereever the packages are coming from
[07:38] <slezy> i dont know what that is. let me do some googleing and i will be back. thankyou
[07:38] <lapdis> I was ssh:ing in to my server while upgrading. I was on the screen "do you want to restart some packages" when the ssh session died. Can I just reboot the server and be fine, or how do I continue the upgrade?
[07:38] <ItsMeLenny> Shogoot, usually with ftp you can change into any directory, always has happened when I've connected to other peoples ftps, the thing is if it has read write access, one can still change directories, just not see in it or write to it
[07:39] <stoogle> i have 4x 1tb drives running in an external raidarray. It's mounted. I have just slotted in another 8x 1tb drives. However they are listed as "inactive" obviously because they have not been mounted. What is the best way to add them into the mount with out losing any data?
[07:39] <chaos7theory> Anyone else having trouble executing shell scripts via double-clicking on 13.04?
[07:39] <Gops> txs was able to get the drivers up
[07:39] <Gops> txs for all the support
[07:39] <Gops> now i am going to have a beer
[07:39] <ItsMeLenny> wow, nowonder there is no help in this irc, everyone just has problems
[07:39] <vlt> !details | stoogle
[07:39] <Thete> Is steam not x64?
[07:40] <chaos7theory> Steam isn't x64 even on Windows.
[07:40] <Shogoot> ItsMeLenny, I get to change directory AND se its conntent on all of the directory tree eexcept /var/www/html ....
[07:40] <stoogle> vlt: what details are you after? it's a md1000 raid array. im not sure how to tell what type of raid its running???
[07:40] <Thete> lame
[07:41] <vlt> stoogle: /proc/mdstat, blkid, fdisk, fstab, mount
[07:42] <stoogle> wow i dont remember, it was that long ago. how do i tell?? so sorry <--- nub here. I set it up with a little help from someone over chat and it was a long time ago.
[07:42] <Neozonz> how do i set something up so it automatically runs at start up?
[07:42] <ntzrmtthihu777> startup programs
[07:42] <Neozonz> from console?
[07:42] <abi_> any one who can help me on heroku app?
[07:42] <Neozonz> like add a daemon type service
[07:43] <vlt> Neozonz: Have a look at rc.local
[07:43] <slezy> so if i wanna install this gmtp program (or any non authenticated program) i need to find its gpg key and add it to the authenticated source?
[07:44] <stoogle> vlt: there is nothing in rc.local
[07:44]  * vlt shrugs
[07:44] <sonofzeus> hey
[07:45] <sonofzeus> Hey there
[07:45] <sonofzeus> anyone knows how to enter these commands in the terminal: cd /usr/src svn co [https://xbtt.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/xbtt/trunk/xbt/misc][7]{: target=”_blank”} xbt/misc svn co [https://xbtt.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/xbtt/trunk/xbt/Tracker][8]{: target=”_blank”} xbt/Tracker
[07:45] <sonofzeus> I'd really appreciate any help.
[07:46] <vlt> sonofzeus: First clean the URL
[07:46] <stoogle> vlt: this is what dell openmanage shows me currently: http://www.freweb.com.au/whatitscurrentlyshowing.txt
[07:49] <Jonne> anyone else have an issue connecting to cifs drives mentioned in /etc/fstab ?
[07:49] <Jonne> sudo mount -a just hangs
[07:50] <Jonne> used to work great until i upgraded this morning (still on 12.10, but all the latest updates)
[07:50] <chaos7theory> ... Wow, there's no way to scroll up in X-Chat :/
[07:51] <Anpu> heya, where can I find Ubuntu evolving circle (the one on ubnutu mobile) countdown that was sitting on Ubuntu site before reveal ubuntu phone?
[07:51] <Anpu> it was kind of animated js stuff
[07:51] <al-maisan> Installed ubuntu 13.04 this morning with an encrypted partition but /etc/crypttab is apparently ignored i.e. there is no password prompt upon boot-up
[07:51] <ntzrmtthihu777> chaos7theory: try pg up and pg dwn
[07:51] <al-maisan> any ideas why that might be?
[07:51] <XATRIX> Hi guys, i seemingly received a message on screen
[07:51] <chaos7theory> ntzrmtthihu777: Thanks
[07:51] <XATRIX> Welcome to Ubuntu 13.04 'Raring Ringtail'
[07:51] <XATRIX> It asks me to upgrade
[07:52] <XATRIX> Is it ok to ?
[07:52] <XATRIX> Or it is very alpha
[07:52] <chaos7theory> There seems to be a lot of annoying idiosyncrasies with 13.04 that I didn't expect.
[07:52] <bentinata> hello
[07:52] <ntzrmtthihu777> XATRIX: I wouldnt, even if it is stable. upgrade works poorly in my experience
[07:52] <XATRIX> chaos7theory: so, you don't advice to , do you ?
[07:52] <XATRIX> ntzrmtthihu777: you mean, it's better to complete reinstall ?
[07:52] <chaos7theory> It's just too buggy overall at the moment.
[07:53] <bentinata> I accidentally "sudo rm /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf"
[07:53] <bentinata> any help?
[07:53] <ntzrmtthihu777> XATRIX: yup.
[07:53] <chaos7theory> "Don't fix it if it ain't broke."
[07:53] <XATRIX> hm
[07:53] <ntzrmtthihu777> XATRIX: but again, its kinda buggy still I hear
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[07:54] <chaos7theory> I did it out of necessity unfortuantely. Dell backup and Recovery ruined my bootloader, and 12.04.2 doesn't have native drives for Intel HD Graphics 4000
[07:54] <bentinata> is it a big problem?
[07:55] <bentinata> anyone?
[07:56] <al-maisan> bentinata: wanna me to pastebin a copy of that file somewhere?
[07:56] <bentinata> al-maisan: sure!
[07:56] <al-maisan> I don't think I ever edited it i.e. it should be the default one ..
[07:57] <bentinata> :D
[07:57] <al-maisan> bentinata: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5603736/
[08:00] <cebor> my screen does not dim after while idling on battery mode  ubuntu 13.04
[08:00] <spacepoet> how do I mount something??
[08:01] <ntzrmtthihu777> spacepoet: sudo mount what where
[08:01] <spacepoet> so would "sudo mount your-mom" bed  work?
[08:04] <ntzrmtthihu777> spacepoet: only if you
[08:04] <ntzrmtthihu777> re  a necrophiliac
[08:04] <spacepoet> whats a necrophiliac
[08:04] <spacepoet> is that a flower?
[08:04] <ntzrmtthihu777> =_= are you serious?
[08:04] <ssadab> My computer has an ambient light sensor, can this be made to work in Ubuntu?
[08:07] <bergqvistjl> Hi, is there any way to use the new Gwibber without using the gnome-control-centre-signon package (I use Arch Linux, yet it appears that gwibber now has hard-coded ubuntu only dependencies?
[08:07] <Kartagis> ntzrmtthihu777: I have a rather delayed question because my CPU load was high. I say I assume 14.04 will be a LTS, and some people here confirm, but you say I'm wrong. that leaves me confused
[08:08] <ssadab> ntzrmtthihu777: Yes I am serious
[08:09] <Kartagis> ssadab: no need to be rude. you could have given another example of sudo mount. you could also have looked necrophiliac up.
[08:10] <ssadab> Kartagis: ??? Where was I rude and where did I give an example of sudo mount?
[08:10] <Ben64> ssadab: he's confusing you with someone else
[08:10] <Kartagis> ssadab: sorry, I got disconnected
[08:11] <ssadab> Kartagis: Ah ok, I was just asking about an ambient light sensor on my computer used to auto adjust brightness and whether it can be configured to work in Ubuntu
[08:11] <Kartagis> that's spacepoet
[08:12] <Kartagis> spacepoet: no need to be rude. you could have given another example of sudo mount. you could also have looked necrophiliac up.
[08:12] <Kartagis> we are all volunteers here
[08:12] <spacepoet> Kartagis: was that rude? that was just a funny banter to lighten the mood
[08:12] <ntzrmtthihu777> ssadab: I was not speaking to you.
[08:12] <jony> how can I change the "save as" keyboard shortcut?
[08:13] <Kartagis> spacepoet: yo momma jokes are never funny. well, maybe in '90s
[08:13] <spacepoet> Kartagis: I find them quite amusing myself and from my experience other people do too
[08:13] <esing> Hey
[08:13] <spacepoet> Kartagis: must be where you're from
[08:14] <sonofzeus> Washington usa kartagis
[08:14] <Kartagis> jony: you can't, unless you dig into the source of whatever software
[08:14] <Kartagis> sonofzeus: ?
[08:14] <spacepoet> ssadab: who made the light sensor?
[08:15] <kai> hi folks
[08:15] <sonofzeus> Hi kai
[08:15] <kai> is there a trick to setting up an encrypted LVM in 13.04 that only spans part of the disk?
[08:15] <ssadab> Lenovo
[08:16] <kai> Basically I really want /etc, /home, /var, /tmp and swap and other sensitive areas encrypted, but I don't want to pay the performance penalty for /data
[08:16] <chaos7theory> I hate this computer right now ;-;
[08:16] <hero616> when i in xfce DE and shutting down the computer, I can see some process cannot being killed. this is not a big problem. but when i in gnome3 or unity, the shutting down process hung there.
[08:17] <kai> my old 10.04 setup had that, using the ncurses installer. at least the Xubuntu installer doesn't seem to get it right
[08:17] <celso> hi people! does someone knows where is the shutdown log file and its name?
[08:18] <celso> hero616 is it related to atombios error?
[08:18] <crazyj> installed ubuntu alongside windows. whats best way to remove windows, merge partitions, remove promt whether i want to bott ubuntu or windows
[08:18] <crazyj> boot*
[08:18] <hero616> no, it's related to fglrx-legacy driver
[08:18] <chaos7theory> I got the wireless adapter driver to work, it recognizes SSIDs in the top menu, but when I try to connect to the router, it's just sitting there constantly trying until it stops a minute later with no message or anything..
[08:18] <celso> ahhh ok. i am having issues on shutdown but related to atom bios.
[08:19] <jony> how can I change the "save as" keyboard shortcut? in 12.04 I had changed, so it can be done...
[08:19] <wilee-nilee> crazyj, This a uefi windows?
[08:20] <crazyj> 32bit
[08:20] <cfhowlett> crazyj, if you're sure you no longer want windows, you can boot ubuntu from cd/usb, then use disk utilities to remove windows partitions and reassign the freed spaced
[08:21] <chaos7theory> Is there some sort of setting I should change?
[08:21] <crazyj> cfhowlett: will that remove  the choice between ubuntu and windows? (i have dual booted to windows oses before and removed one, had to manually remove the option to boot into it.
[08:21] <hero616> i want find a way to shutting down computer even S20sendsigs failed.
[08:21] <Neozonz> Anyone know what this means 2013-04-26 08:21:32.602748 > twisted.web.error.Error: 401 Authorization Required
[08:21] <Neozonz> I keep getting that error when running p2pool
[08:22] <Neozonz> it was working earlier... not sure what happened
[08:22] <Ben64> Neozonz: thats a http error code
[08:22] <cfhowlett> crazyj, update grub should remove the windows option
[08:22] <crazyj> cfhowlett: thanks
[08:23] <cebor> my screen does not dim after while idling on battery mode  ubuntu 13.04, anybody else has this problem
[08:25] <Walex> cebor: please note that on IRC support channels the convention is to take questions literally...
[08:25] <chaos7theory> So, for some reason, Ubuntu 13.04 says that the Wifi eth1, when it should be wlan0
[08:25] <Walex> chaos7theory: thanks for letting us know.
[08:26] <chaos7theory> Not sure if sarcasm.
[08:26] <Foowie> Hello, I've tried to install 13.04 on my ASUS M50V notebook. I've created bootable USB, plugged in and restarted PC. When I selected USB device to boot from the message "bug: soft lockup - cpu#0 stuck for 22s!" shown and I'm not able to do anythink with that. Anybody can help? I've read something about use of older versions of kernels, but how?
[08:26] <Walex> chaos7theory: you have made two statements :-)
[08:26] <Ben64> Walex: be helpful if you're going to respond
[08:30] <Walex> Foowie: it could be any sort of slight compatibility issue between the laptop chipset and the kernel. There are very many variants. You can rebuild the bootable USB image with a different kernel version, but it is not trivial. If possible try to disable as many peripherals as you can in the BIOS in case the bug is related to accessing one of them.
[08:31] <bentinata> can somebody give me little help?
[08:32] <JonasF_> Hi, after upgrade to 13.04 and pm-suspend + wakeup, my fan doesn't turn off any more. How can I fix this?
[08:33] <Foowie> Walex: Thanks, I'll try this. Is it also solution to install 12.10 and do upgrade to 13.04 or the problem after upgrade will remain?
[08:33] <Walex> JonasF_: either by debugging the related kernel module, or by checking whether you can turn it off manually and then putting that command in a script run on wakeup. Suspend is often a tricky operations....
[08:33] <skillpiG> hapl :[
[08:33] <skillpiG> Walex, hapl
[08:34] <bentinata> can somebody give me little help?
[08:34] <skillpiG> do you know the degrees of requiring aid ?
[08:34] <skillpiG> it starts with 'help'
[08:34] <Walex> Foowie: if it is a kernel bug in the 13.04 kernel it will happen no matter how you install it.
[08:34] <skillpiG> then forms over time to 'halp'
[08:34] <bentinata> what is the permission for /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf
[08:34] <JonasF_> Walex: alright, thank you.
[08:34] <skillpiG> then ends up on the fast typed 'hapl'
[08:34] <Foowie> Walex: ok, thanks :]
[08:34] <Neozonz> ok so I added two sh scripts to /etc/rc.local
[08:35] <Neozonz> but it doesnt look like they are executing?
[08:35] <bentinata> what is the permission for /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf
[08:35] <Walex> bentinata: usually u=rw,og=r
[08:35] <Walex> Neozonz: have they 'x' permission and usually '#!/bin/sh' as the first line?
[08:36] <bentinata> Walex: so 644?
[08:36] <skillpiG> Walex - do you have some knowledge about hardware support of ubuntu (specifically 12.10)?
[08:36] <skillpiG> specifically about processors
[08:36] <Walex> skillpiG: it is usually considered rude to ask specific questions to specific people. Ask the channel a question and if someone wants to answer you are lucky...
[08:36] <Neozonz> Walex, both scripts have +X, and the rc.local has #!/bin/sh -e
[08:37] <Neozonz> do the scripts have to have #!/bin/sh -e in the top too?
[08:37] <Walex> Neozonz: yes, and usually without the '-e' (which I think should not be in '/etc/rc.local' either).
[08:37] <Speiros> Can someone help me with installation of a new printer to my computer.  I run Ubuntu 10.4, and I'm trying to install a canon mx396.  WINE doesn't execute the exe. files.
[08:37] <Walex> Neozonz: actually "yes" is a bit too strong.
[08:38] <skillpiG> Walex - apologies, I enjoyed your quick responses to the people in here and didn't want to bother the rest
[08:38] <skillpiG> not too much :]
[08:38] <Walex> Speiros: why are you asking a question about MS-Windows EXEs in an ubuntu channel?
[08:38] <bentinata> Walex: thanks :)
[08:38] <Neozonz> Walex, ? is there anyway I can test the rc.local script without rebooting?
[08:38] <Walex> Neozonz: $ /etc/rc.local
[08:38] <Walex> Neozonz: actually more properly
[08:39] <Walex> Neozonz: $ sudo /etc/rc.local
[08:39] <Speiros> Walex, I have ubuntu installed, and I want to load a printer.  I have used WINE before, which would open the drivers (the exe. files) which are windows operated, but it doesn't work.
[08:39] <skillpiG> anyone in here using an AMD FX-8350 on Ubuntu (specifically 12.10) and having problems with 100% utilization after a fresh installation?
[08:39] <Walex> Speiros: why do you want to use MS-Windows drivers for a Ubuntu system?
[08:40] <Speiros> walex I don't.  But the printer comes with exe. files, and wine used to open them once upon a time.
[08:40] <Speiros> walex I just want my printer and scanner to work.
[08:40] <[deXter]> SpindizZzy, Printers/scanners generally work automatically, if they don't you'll have to look for a linux version of the driver. you can't install windows drivers in linux (not directly, anyways)
[08:41] <Walex> Speiros: that's rather the wrong approach.... The Ubuntu prin system is CUPS, and the scanner system is SANE, so you want a CUPS driver and a SANE driver.
[08:41] <endiny> Hello everyone
[08:41] <Speiros> walex thanks.  So I type them into the ubuntu software centre?
[08:41] <Walex> Speiros: however some MFP manufacturer like HP and IIRC also Canon supply integrated packages that contain Ubuntu drivers.
[08:42] <Walex> Speiros: so if printer/scanner are not configured automatically you need to do some web search with the keywords above.
[08:42] <Walex> Speiros: the CUPS drivers are also called sometimes "foomatic" drivers or "PPD"s.
[08:43] <Neozonz> how to i port forward using ufw?
[08:43] <Walex> Speiros: Software Centre might help actually. Just search for canon drivers and look into the list of what is found.
[08:43] <Speiros> walex I see.  Thanks, I'll have a look, and come back:)
[08:43] <Neozonz>  /sbin/iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 9327  I ran this on a machine, but after reboot it doesnt seem to stick... should i add it to rc.local?
[08:44] <Walex> Neozonz: '/etc/rc.local' is one way.
[08:44] <Speiros> walex Thanks mate.
[08:44] <Neozonz> what is the proper way?
[08:44] <Neozonz> lol
[08:44] <jony> how can I install the "gs-esp" package?
[08:44] <Walex> Neozonz: BTW i particularly like 'ferm' rather than 'ufw'.
[08:45] <gustav> Upgrading to Raring was not a good idea...
[08:45] <Walex> Neozonz: ideally as you surmised you would use a package that configures all of 'iptables' for you, as direct use is a bit tricky.
[08:45] <Walex> JonasF_: 'sudo apt-get install ...'
[08:46] <Neozonz> so there is no ufw command for port forwarding?
[08:46] <endiny> Neozonz: btw, you can watch about /etc/iptables.rules
[08:46] <Walex> Neozonz: no idea here, perhaps someone else would know, but 'ufw' questions are a bit of a narrow subject.
[08:46] <Neozonz> endiny, that file doesnt exist on my machine
[08:47] <Walex> Neozonz: on IRC success in getting answers is proportional to how popular the topic of the question is.
[08:47] <antonio__> hey folks
[08:47] <antonio__> Has anyone found a way to use www.gotowebinar.com with Linux?
[08:47] <endiny> Neozonz: u can create it with rules
[08:48] <endiny> and add to /etc/network/interfaces
[08:48] <endiny> pre-up iptables-restore < /etc/iptables.rules
[08:48] <Steam> hi all i have problem with my wireless adapter on laptop, ubuntu cant see it
[08:48] <endiny>   post-down iptables-save > /etc/iptables.rules
[08:48] <endiny> Steam: c'est la vie
[08:48] <Steam> english?
[08:50] <Evolve> okay, I've googling this all morning and can't get a clear answer, I've installed Ubuntu 13.04 on my box that has an SSD drive. What do I need to do in terms of protecting my drive? There seems to be a lot of conflicting information out there!
[08:50] <endiny> Steam: r u serious?
[08:50] <Ben64> Steam: it may help you get support here if you provide more details. lspci and/or lsusb to find chipset, what version ubuntu, what brand/model laptop, etc
[08:50] <Steam> yes?
[08:50] <Ben64> endiny: that's not helpful
[08:50] <Steam> ok
[08:50] <endiny> Steam: "that's life" i think
[08:50] <endiny> Ben64: about?
[08:51] <drasko_> where is the stty conf file located? I want to set the nb of rows manually
[08:51] <Ben64> Evolve: if you have enough ram, one thing i would suggest is moving /tmp to ram
[08:52] <Steam> Broadcom BCM4311  802.11  it worked before i updated software with software updater. I am new at Ubuntu so..., at this moment i am using an usb wireless adapter to chat with you
[08:52] <Evolve> Ben64, oh good to know. I've left it on the SSD :$
[08:52] <ct529> anyone who knows about acronym generators applications under ubuntu
[08:52] <ct529> ?
[08:52] <Evolve> I've got a spinning drive where I've put /var /tmp and /home
[08:52] <Ben64> Evolve: it's not a really big deal, but the less useless writes on an ssd the better
[08:53] <Evolve> some sources say it's not good to enable trim and others say you should … I'm at a loss
[08:53] <Ben64> !broadcom | Evolve
[08:53] <Ben64> err...
[08:53] <Ben64> Steam: that broadcom thing is for you
[08:54] <Evolve> lol
[08:54] <Ben64> Evolve: yeah i'm not sure on the trim stuff either
[08:55] <Evolve> Ben64, bit of a dark art it seems
[08:55] <Evolve> hell I might just leave it to its fate! It's only a 64GB crucial drive
[08:55] <drasko_> where is the stty conf file located? I want to set the nb of rows manually, not using stty but writing directly in some file
[08:58] <Rompoy> hi
[08:58] <skillpiG> Hi
[08:59] <ThatOneRoadie> Evolve - Trim is optional. I'd enable it automatically, but that's just me
[09:01] <Evolve> ThatOneRoadie, thanks
[09:04] <Speiros> walex Thanks for your input mate.  The scanner and printer still isn't working from the computer, but I have it saying there're no devices available.
[09:04] <Speiros> walex printer/scanner is on, and connected
[09:05] <karjala> I installed pidgin on Ubuntu 13.04 from the default repo (didn't add PPA) - I'm not getting a system tray icon - What should I do?
[09:05] <ThatOneRoadie> restart nautilus. failing that, reboot
[09:06] <Walex> Speiros: but what kind of driver have you tried to install? BTW not all printers or scanners are supported...
[09:06] <karjala> ThatOneRoadie: I rebooted
[09:06] <Speiros> walex no problem mate.  I'll let you know.  I just got the printer app up, and it seems to be searching for the drivers.
[09:06] <ThatOneRoadie> Remove and reinstall? If that doesn't work, it's possible the 13.04 gmone update borked the systray icon
[09:07] <ThatOneRoadie> My dropbox icon still came up in 13.04... weird
[09:07] <jony> I got the following erron when I want to install a printer driver: Dependency is not satisfiable: gs-esp. Please help!
[09:07] <Walex> Evolve: there are two types of trimming -- constant trimming with mount options like 'discard' and period bu suing the 'fstrim' command. The first slows down disk accesses a bit but is automatic, the second neeeds to be done and a lot of people forget...
[09:07] <ThatOneRoadie> Let me throw pidgin on my 13.04 image. sec
[09:07] <denet> Hello, can someone please post the ubuntu signing key fingerprint? Thank you.
[09:07] <HeKToN> guys I can`t remove icons from the task bar. Is it a but or I`m doing something wrong ?
[09:07] <code-ph0y> hey guys am having a problem with stopping apache2
[09:07] <code-ph0y> apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName
[09:08] <karjala> ThatOneRoadie: I don't think you know what you're talking about
[09:08] <karjala> ThatOneRoadie: Sorry for that comment.
[09:08] <Walex> Speiros: if your printer/scanner are connected by USB, do a search for the USB codes. You can list them with 'lsusb'
[09:08] <code-ph0y> has anyone ran into this problem?
[09:08] <ThatOneRoadie> denet: gpg's are available at http://ubuntu-releases.wallawalla.edu/raring/
[09:09] <denet> ThatOneRoadie, yes, I know, I just wanted to verify the fingerprint using a 2nd channel
[09:09] <Evolve> Walex, yeah just been reading about that and the pros/cons - think I'll live with the slower disk access option
[09:09] <Speiros> walex do you mean on terminal?  so, something like "sudo lsusb"?
[09:10] <Walex> Speiros: yes, put the output on 'paste.ubuntu.com' or equivalent
[09:10] <ThatOneRoadie> karjala: The pidgin icon loaded into the tray on min-- aaand he's gone
[09:10] <Evolve> I just think it's bizarre, SSDs have been out for years, why do we still have all this uncertainty and hacking to do???
[09:10] <Walex> Evolve: that's what I do as well, 'discard' is indeed slower but I don't mind too much. I still do 'fstrim' occasionally.
[09:11] <yahyaa> can some one please tell me why when I close Kubuntu it keeps hanging instead of properly shuting down?
[09:11] <yahyaa> I am using it on a macbook  pro
[09:11] <Speiros> walex thanks
[09:12] <Walex> Evolve: as to uncertainty and hacking: SSDs have a very "anisotropic" performance envelope, and storage firmware is *very* complex, a disk or SSD can rquire hundreds of thousands of lines of code to work, often more than Linux.
[09:13] <Evolve> Walex, lol! crazy. Guess the KISS principle is not an option when it comes to SSDs
[09:13] <Tm_T> Evolve: you mean "paint your face and play crappy disco music"?
[09:14] <Walex> Evolve: most peripherals and standards are developed on Microsoftian principles.
[09:14] <HeKToN> guys I can`t remove icons from the task bar. Is it a but or I`m doing something wrong ?
[09:14] <ThatOneRoadie> HeKToN: Right click and undock from launcher
[09:14] <HeKToN> but = bug in my sentence :D
[09:14] <HeKToN> yeah I did that but still nothing
[09:14] <HeKToN> since I just upgraded ...
[09:14] <ThatOneRoadie> it'll still stay there if the program is still running
[09:15] <HeKToN> well it`s definiteely not because it`s skype which was broken after the upgrade
[09:15] <HeKToN> I removed it like uninstalled it so I wanted to remove the icon... but none of my icons is removable now
[09:16] <SanMysterious> Hi, I am trying to install maven but there are conflicting packages: package libwagon2-java 2.2-3 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/java/wagon-tck-http.jar', which is also in package libwagon-java 1.0.0-2ubuntu2    is there a way to solve this
[09:16] <Evolve> just on a side, what is a reasonable amount of space to allocate to /var and /tmp? I'm thinking of having them on my HDD
[09:17] <SanMysterious> I am @ubuntu 13.04
[09:17] <Walex> Evolve: '/tmp' should really be 'tmpfs' not on disk/SSD. 'var' "depends".
[09:17] <slezy_> hello!
[09:17] <HeKToN> hi
[09:17] <Walex> Evolve: for personal PCs I don't bother with a separate '/var'. Just a separate '/home'.
[09:18] <Walex> yahyaa: it is usually some small ACPI/BIOS bug, it happens a lot with PCs too.
[09:18] <Evolve> Walex, got it … the var bit at least
[09:18] <yahyaa> is there anyway to fix that?
[09:18]  * Evolve is googling tmpfs
[09:19] <Walex> yahyaa: there are many many boot options for various little issue like that, you got to web search...
[09:20] <HeKToN> what this path to folder is changed :~/.kde4/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc
[09:20] <HeKToN>  on 13.04 ?
[09:20] <yahyaa> I thoght this was a support chat forum!
[09:20] <yahyaa> is it not?
[09:20] <Walex> Evolve: 'tmpfs' is the same as for '/dev/shm' or '/run'
[09:20] <HeKToN> yahyaa,  it is but unfortunatelly In PC`s world when there is an issue the possible reasons are not just one
[09:20] <Walex> yahyaa: have you got a Platinum Account number? :-)
[09:21] <ANub> !help
[09:21] <yahyaa> no I don't what is that?
[09:21] <hke> hi folks, 12.04 here. i have unity and xfce installed, but only use unity. however, it keeps using the xfce notifyd, how can i make it use notify-osd?
[09:22] <ANub> !isitout
[09:22] <Walex> yahyaa: it is a way to remind you of what HeKToN says... that only a Platinum Account entitles you to an answer within four hours :-), or else you got to do a bit of work too :-)
[09:24] <yahyaa> so if you did not know the answer, then y r you responding to my question?
[09:24] <jony> I got the following erron when I want to install a printer driver: Dependency is not satisfiable: gs-esp. Please help!
[09:24] <yahyaa> If I could figure this out myself I would, however I am new to Linux!!!
[09:25] <HeKToN> me too but after 5 times of hearing what Walex is saying you start actually trying to ask more straight questions after some basic research or more advanced if possible
[09:26] <hke> jony: try sudo "apt-get install -f" in a terminal
[09:26] <hke> jony and do a "sudo apt-get update" before that
[09:27] <Walex> yahyaa: sure, but like with MS-Windows you have to do some bit of work yourself, or else pay a lot of money for someone to do it for you. For example searching for:  shutdown ubuntu macbook pro
[09:27] <jony> hke, it does not help
[09:27] <Walex> yahyaa: what we can do is to put you in the right direction
[09:28] <denet> To confirm, this is the fingerprint of the ubuntu signing key: C598 6B4F 1257 FFA8 6632 CBA7 4618 1433 FBB7 5451
[09:28] <Walex> yahyaa: what we can do is to put you in the right direction if it is a narrow question, or give a straight answer if it is a more generic one.
[09:28] <nxt_> hi
[09:28] <HeKToN> on 13.04 what this folder direcotory`s path is ~/.kde4/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc?
[09:28] <Walex> denet: would you trust a key fingerprint given by a random user on IRC? :-)
[09:29] <HeKToN> found it
[09:30] <denet> Walex: yes, if it matches some other sources that I have. My ISP does MitM for SSL (all https traffic is decrypted and reencrypted using ISP's key) "for usability studies", so I need to verify things numerous times.
[09:30] <slezy_> this is awesome . you guys rock. i will be back
[09:31] <jolaren> I'm trying to join #apache but I can't .. so I'll ask the question here since it's a Ubuntu system. I have problems with UTF-8 in domain name.. and I've added charset.. and system locales
[09:32] <Walex> denet: your ISP is pretty sleazy!
[09:32] <voytas> hey guys
[09:32] <HeKToN> me too If after I restart now my drivers are not screwed up :D
[09:32] <voytas> I really need your help
[09:32] <Walex> jolaren: what makes you think that you can use UTF-8 in domain names?
[09:33] <voytas> I have just installed Ubuntu from a USB stick but it was installed on the same disk  partition as windows 8, I want to uninstall Ubuntu
[09:33] <voytas> how can i do it?
 you can use windows 8 installation disk to remove partition
[09:34] <Walex> w 2
[09:34] <jolaren> Walex: IDN characters can't be displayed as utf-8? :/ how are they displayed otherwise without punny Walex ?
[09:34] <voytas> you mean run this usb again ?
 No. I mean if you want to have Windows again .....then use Windows setup DVD / CD
[09:35] <voytas> I have windows because I installed Ubuntu along Windows
[09:35] <voytas> I just want to get rid of ubuntu
[09:36] <HeKToN> ok I managed to remove it from the task bar by dragging it on the desktop but now I can`t remove it from the desktop and this drives me crazy!
[09:36] <Walex> jolaren: IDN is not UTF-8, it is ASCII.
 you can go to windows Control-panel-----Disk- Management option and remove ubuntu partition
[09:37] <voytas> But the problem is that I have installed it on the Windows partition
[09:37] <jolaren> Walex: So how would you go on solving that?
[09:38] <Walex> jolaren: depends what the problem is. Probably the problem is that your browser cannot *display* IDN domains in non-ASCII form.
 yeah this is what i said earlier..........your windows is out.....and you want it back......then install Windows again
[09:38] <jolaren> Walex: works fine in everything but IE
[09:38] <voytas> No, no, no. You don't get it. I am now using Windows. I have two systems on 1 partition.
[09:39] <Walex> jolaren: ahhahahahhahahahahahahahaha please don't mention IE in this channel. Oh my! :-)
[09:39] <HeKToN> :D
 2 systems on 1 partition.......hmm.........thats new to me.....how did you do that
[09:39] <jolaren> Walex: My customeers might be using it :D Chrome 17 says has no support for idn in characters?
[09:39] <Walex> jolaren: also anyhow there are very many variants of that-which-shall-not-be-mentioned, who knows what each does
[09:40] <jolaren> but I agree.. why choose windows when linux offers you a full house
[09:40] <HeKToN> I`ll tell you ANub - it`s VMware :D
[09:40] <jolaren> better terminal yourself with 'whatis microsoft' from time to time
 lol.....yeah may be
[09:40] <voytas> I chose to install it along Windows and chose my hard drive (there was no option to choose which partition to use) and just intalled it
[09:41] <voytas> and when I start my computer I can choose between which system I want to use
[09:41] <Walex> jolaren: if for example your IDN domain name looks good in ASCII and then gets diseconded correctly by Firefox etc. then it is good, and then it is a bug in other browsers.
[09:42] <Walex> jolaren-jobb: consider also testing it with 'http://ipduh.com/dns/'
 if your loader is Windows ...then go to boot.ini and see how many boot lines options there....and what are the partitions
 I think Ubuntu boot disk auto-created partition for you ....but you are unaware of it
[09:43] <jolaren> Walex: It looks really strange
[09:43] <Walex> jolaren-jobb: consider also looking at these tests: http://idn.icann.org/
[09:43] <jolaren> Walex: like it can't display my signs
[09:43] <Walex> jolaren: for me both display fine in the address bar and page content in Firefox
[09:45] <Walex> jolaren: but they display encoded in 'chromium-browser'. Obviously the latter does not support IDN or has it switched off.
[09:45] <jolaren> Walex: if you type in "xn--kbenhavntmrer-bnbi.dk" in there it displays really funky
[09:46] <yahyaa> forget I asked, I am just going to format and reinstall windows 8, then I won't have to worry about these problems!
[09:46] <Twenty-three> hi guys, i upgraded to 13.04 this morning and the upgrade was aborted when the progress bar(?) was around 60%. it claimed "desktop had failed". anyway, after rebooting i didn't notice any problems at all, i opened the software manager and it said some things were broken and it wouldn't install anything new until that was fixed, i clicked on the button to fix and then everything went back to...
[09:46] <Twenty-three> ..."normal" no issues at all, but i'm concerned about it being aborted and i wish to know whether there is a way to verify the install has succeeded or whether it can be finalised properly
[09:46] <yahyaa> good bye liux!
[09:46] <Walex> jolaren: http://www.chromium.org/developers/design-documents/idn-in-google-chrome "all browsers try to protect against homograph attacks by displaying punycode instead of the original IDN if the hostname does not fulfill certain properties"
[09:47] <jolaren> thanks alot Walex
[09:47] <jolaren> Will read up on that*
[09:48] <Kquarkq> Hi
[09:49] <Kquarkq> when us click on unity dash de taskbar stay transparent, how to do it permanent?
[09:49] <Walex> jolaren: BTW reading down on that page Chrome displays the URLs depending on the language the page claims to be.
[09:51] <Kquarkq> when us click on unity dash de taskbar stay semi-transparent, how to do it permanent?
[09:52] <kklaine_> o
[09:52] <iMart1n> hi
[09:53] <niners> hey... I keep having this odd problem with wine (netflix)... evertytime I try and get onto my netflix it tells me it can update the new sivlerlight but doesn't give me an option to say no. I've updated it a few times and it crashes and I have to go into the terminal reupdate it (my roommate helps me out) I'm not Linix or unbuntu savvy quite yet so I'm lost. please help.
[09:53] <Kquarkq> hi
[09:58] <Speiros> walex thanks anyway.  I couldn't get the printer/scanner working.  I don't understand enough of anything typed in here, as to where to type it, what to type,...too much info.  I'm burnt out by the stupid companies doing this to linux, and believe a class action should be started by linux against organisations such as canon, hp, microsoft, apple, and anyone else for deliberately causing frustration by not putting the drivers on an autorun prompt on a cd wi
[09:58] <Speiros> th their products.
[09:59] <BlueEagle> niners: To me this sounds like an issue with Netflix. Have you tried their home page or support channel for info?
[09:59] <denet> Is it still supported to boot ubuntu like this: http://pastebin.com/b3cmD3xX
[10:00] <niners> BlueEagle: no I have not... They dont support linix so I never figured there was a point ya know
[10:00] <BlueEagle> niners: Ahh. Well you could also try #wine if noone in here gives anything useful.
[10:01] <niners> BlueEagle: #wine...? huh?
[10:01] <Speiros> walex I appreciate your knowledge and time, help and assistance mate.  I just don't understand enough, and am burnt out.
[10:06] <A7> I would like to ask if anyone with Intel/AMD hybrid graphics has tried to update to 13.04? So far the only thing that has worked for me on 12.10 are the updates from the Andrikos PPA (http://askubuntu.com/a/207270/82517). The only info I have found on the subject indicates failure https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/1112695
[10:16] <CQ> hello, are there non-pae kernel packages in ubuntu, or do I need to compile my own kernel?
[10:16] <CQ> I have an ols Pentium M processor on a laptop
[10:17] <bdman32> i have a question, is their a flavour of ubuntu that will run on i686 Architechture with 512MB of ram??
[10:18] <jrib> bdman32: xubuntu, lubuntu, ubuntu with your choice of lightweight applications
[10:19] <bdman32> jrib:thanks, will give it a go
[10:20] <subthalamus> y does aplay -l say I don't have any sound cards when I'm playing sound through it right now?
[10:21] <tga> greetings
[10:21] <tga> is there a preferred way of installing libreoffice 4 on 12.04?
[10:21] <tga> I don't want pre release stuff, just the regular releases
[10:22] <hyperborean_ro> hello
[10:23] <hyperborean_ro> i got a problem loading gnome 3 session,is there a way to add gnome clasic to session manager tab ?
[10:23] <Sagitt> hi
[10:23] <Sagitt> what is this error at the end of apt-get update?
[10:23] <Sagitt> W: Impossibile recuperare http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/raring/Release.gpg  Si è verificato qualcosa di anormale nella risoluzione di "archive.canonical.com:http" (-11 - Errore di sistema)
[10:23] <Sagitt> E: Impossibile scaricare alcuni file di indice: saranno ignorati o verranno usati quelli vecchi.
[10:23] <hyperborean_ro> atm running session gnome no effects
[10:24] <hyperborean_ro> i`m using Pinguy OS based on ubuntu 12.04,will be any problems ?
[10:25] <tkmostt> hello people
[10:25] <hyperborean_ro> hai
[10:25] <tkmostt> my bluetooth is not working in 13.04
[10:26] <tkmostt> it was working in 12.10 but after some updates or something it was also not working on 1.120
[10:26] <tkmostt> *12.10
[10:26] <tkmostt> in the setiing options  under bluetooth everything is faded
[10:27] <hyperborean_ro> i dont use bluetooth + i`m in need of help aswell,sorry tk
[10:28] <tkmostt> ok :)
[10:28] <hyperborean_ro> gl anyway :D
[10:29] <amitprakash> Hi, post login on my eeePC, my keyboard mappings get messed up and instead of normal keyboard output, i see fn+keyboard output
[10:29] <amitprakash> This happens only post login into gnome
[10:31] <varikonniemi> against what package should the bug report be filed when drag&drop does not work into chromium?
[10:31] <varikonniemi> i had the problem with ubuntu 12.10, lubuntu 12.10 did not have the problem
[10:31] <varikonniemi> but now again ubuntu 13.04 has
[10:33] <tkmostt> bluetooth settings image  http://imagebin.org/255449
[10:37] <Walex> tkmostt: for Bluetooth settings to work the bluetooth service must be running *and* as your screenshot shows there must be at least one recognized adapter. Probably the latter is the issue.
[10:37] <Neozonz> this is strange, everytime i run my rc.local script to execute my daemon... my daemon runs and creates a new data directory under \<daemondatadir>
[10:37] <Walex> Neozonz: that is probably how you dæmon is configured to do
[10:37] <tkmostt> Walex: anything that i should do...i don't know much regarding this
[10:38] <Neozonz> Walex, so I should move my files to
[10:38] <Neozonz> \ instead of run it from home?
[10:38] <tkmostt> Walex: i am running dual boot with win7 and in win7 bluetooth is working
[10:38] <michael_irc> hi
[10:38] <Neozonz> the thing is if i run /etc/rc.local after logging in, it starts fine
[10:39] <Walex> tkmostt: well, you should make sure that there is a working Bluetooth driver for your device, what kind of device is that?
[10:39] <chuckly> I trying to install ubuntu on old monitor with HDMI.  The screen says no signal  after the splash. The VGA boot works OK and also works using another more recent monitor
[10:39] <tkmostt> Walex: the PC is a laptop and it has broadcom bluetooth chip
[10:39] <Dr_willis> chuckly,  the grub menu is usinbg some res the monitor dosent like. change it in /etc/default/grub
[10:40] <tkmostt> Walex: it was working in ubuntu 12.04 and for sometime in 12.10 as well iirc
[10:40] <chuckly> there is command I used in grub which helped me resolve resolution issues started with d
[10:40] <chuckly> I think
[10:41] <Dr_willis> chuckly,   /etc/default/grub  mentions some tools like that. Or just set grub to use a text type menu
[10:41] <Walex> tkmostt: have you tried searching with "brodcom bluetooth ubuntu"? there are a few entries that might be relevant.
[10:42] <tkmostt> Walex: ok i will check more on it and then return.....thanks :)
[10:42] <michael_irc> hi
[10:42] <Walex> tkmostt: as for many/most peripherals questions there are so many variants, and so many are not supported that it is usually necessary to do a fair bit of investigation. Usually it is best to choose peripherals that are known to work easily rather than find ways to get random variants to work.
[10:43] <chuckly> Dr_willis: found this link. Will try it http://askubuntu.com/questions/127851/change-boot-screen-resolution
[10:43] <Walex> tkmostt: for example consider this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/193482/broadcom-bluetooth-device-remains-undetected-bcm2046-widcomm
[10:44] <chuckly> Dr_willis - The monitor is quite old so not sure if it supports HDCP. Is this a problem?
[10:45] <Walex> tkmostt: or for example also http://freedomandlinux.wordpress.com/2010/02/23/quick-fix-for-broadcom-sta-wifi-bluetooth-in-ubuntu-9-10/
[10:45] <tkmostt> Walex: you are right.....one more thing that rfkill list used to show wifi and bluetooth previously now it only shows wifi
[10:45] <michael_irc> clear
[10:45] <michael_irc> nick
[10:46] <andrew_46> michael_irc: Don't forget the / :)
[10:46] <Walex> tkmostt: if you really need Bluetooth a very cheap option is a USB dongle, they can be very small and nearly all use a chipset with a standard driver
[10:46] <michael_irc> thank yo1u
[10:47] <michael_irc> michael_irc
[10:48] <michael_irc> NICK <michael_irc>
[10:48] <tkmostt> Walex: no i need it but not that much for now....and that solution is also in my mind(usb dongle)....just wanted to know why does it not work....nothing that serious though but would have still liked it to work :)
[10:49] <Walex> tkmostt: the usual reason is indeed that hw manufacturers do too many slightly incompatible variants of the same stuff, without any good reason
[10:49] <tkmostt> ok :)
[10:50] <tkmostt> Walex:  i ran this command "sudo service bluetooth status"  and it showed "bluetooth start/running, process 1162"
[10:51] <xgeek> hello, why i can't change any permission in mouted partition?
[10:51] <xgeek> i change with chmod +x AA but nothing happen!
[10:51] <Dr_willis> and what filesystem is the partition using?
[10:51] <BlueEagle> xgeek: Is the partition mounted with noexec?
[10:51] <xgeek> ntfs
[10:51] <xgeek> BlueEagle, don't know
[10:51] <Dr_willis> xgeek,  thats why.... ntfs cant do that
[10:52] <tapas> hi, i'm trying to use gtk-recordmydesktop here. for some reaon the tray icon to stop recording doesn't work under kde
[10:52] <tapas> is there a known workaround for that?
[10:52] <xgeek> Dr_willis, so ? should i install something?
[10:52] <BlueEagle> xgeek: ntfs needs a mount option to allow for execution of files iirc.
[10:52] <Dr_willis> xgeek,  ntfs/vfat does not support the linux standard permissions, or ownership
[10:52] <xgeek> BlueEagle, how can i do that?
[10:53] <aseegs> whats best way for install kde enviroment on raring ringtail?
[10:54] <Dr_willis> aseegs,  use the kubuntu iso image. or install the kubuntu-desktop package on a ubuntu install
[10:54] <Derfol> hi
[10:54] <Walex> tkmostt: then if the service is running it is really a driver problem.
[10:55] <BlueEagle> xgeek: If you mount it from the command line add the appropriate options wiht the -o flag. If it is listed in fstab then add it to the list of options there.
[10:55] <Derfol> where official canonical forums
[10:55] <Derfol> ?
[10:56] <BlueEagle> xgeek: `man mount` for a list of options.
[10:56] <Walex> xgeek: you use mount options to give default ownership of NTFS files to you and default permisions.
[10:56] <tkmostt> Walex: ok i will try to sort it out ..  :)
[10:56] <xgeek> but i simply mount using nautilus
[10:56] <Walex> xgeek: Nautilus will use default options from '/etc/fstab'
[10:57] <BlueEagle> xgeek: Yeah, with Nautilus it is not mounted with execution privileges by default. Which is sensible tbh.
[10:57] <cfhowlett> !forums|Derfol,
[10:57] <michael_irc> msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER michael_irc bwiyvmibgmse
[10:57] <Walex> xgeek: I don't use Nautilus, but perhaps there is some kind of way to tell Nautilus to use options if they are not in '/etc/fstab'
[10:57] <andrew_46> michael_irc: Try prepending your commands with a /
[10:57] <Walex> michael_irc: OOPS about the password :-)
[10:57] <xgeek> nothing related to ntfs in fstab
[10:58] <Walex> xgeek: then add it perhaps.
[10:58] <Derfol> i want canonical forums
[10:58] <michael_irc> thank you ! and*
[10:58] <zenal> gud nite all :D
[10:58] <Dr_willis> !forums
[10:58] <Dr_willis> Derfol,  did you even try  just typing in ubuntu forums in any search engine? ;)
[10:59] <Dr_willis> Derfol,  askubuntu.com is also a good place to bookmark
[10:59] <Derfol> http://www.canonical.com
[10:59] <Derfol> where there are forum?
[10:59] <Derfol> i was see it in last year
[10:59] <Derfol> not cant found
[11:01] <tkmostt> Walex: would the normal dongles would do fine or would i need some by particular brands that would work out of the box with ubuntu
[11:01] <BlueEagle> Derfol: Are you looking for information regarding the company Canonical, or the product Ubuntu?
[11:01] <Dr_willis> tkmostt,  the chipset used by the dongle is more imporntant then the company selling it
[11:01] <michael_irc> ubuntu
[11:01] <Derfol> i want canonical forum
[11:01] <tkmostt> Dr_willis: ok then
[11:02] <BlueEagle> Derfol: The ubuntuforums.org are owned and operated by Canonical.
[11:02] <Derfol> no
[11:02] <BlueEagle> hint: whois `ubuntuforums.org`
[11:02] <tkmostt> Dr_willis: is there any site that shows incompatibilty lists or problem devices
[11:02] <Derfol> they was have official canonical forum
[11:03] <BlueEagle> Derfol: Yes. They did have them at canonica.com before. They have since been moved.
[11:03] <Dr_willis> tkmostt,  when shopping - i tend to check the reviews at amazon.com  i picked up several usb wifi dongles that work out of the box.
[11:03] <BlueEagle> Derfol: Is there something incomprehensible about that consept?
[11:03] <Derfol> cry
[11:03] <Derfol> where forum?
[11:04] <BlueEagle> Derfol: If you are not looking for the Canonical ubuntu support forums, please specify the type of information you are looking for in the forum you are looking for.
[11:04] <tkmostt> Dr_willis: yeah normally everything works fine with ubuntu ..in some cases just adding some repositaries does the job as well....so won't be a big problem...i would check out review there and then decide if i pick one
[11:04] <tkmostt> thanks for the help Walex  Dr_willis
[11:04] <tkmostt> have a good time all :)
[11:05] <BlueEagle> !ru|Perhaps you can explain better to the people here:
[11:05] <BlueEagle> Derfol: (see above)
[11:05] <paluchlab-iMac> I would like to burn the ubuntu iso to a cd so that I can boot from it. This mac will not mount the disk image and I am not sure if it means the file is corrupt or there is another error.
[11:06] <BlueEagle> !md5sum | paluchlab-iMac: Please check the MD5 sum
[11:06] <Dr_willis> paluchlab-iMac,  use a disk burning tool that can handle image files.. theres no need to mount the iso.  be sure to verify the md5 sum of the ISO to prove its a good download
[11:07]  * cfhowlett ... "Saucy Salamander" ?????
[11:08] <paluchlab-iMac> I ran md5 ubuntu...iso and it gave me a result, but now I'm not sure where to find the provided value.
[11:08] <cfhowlett> paluchlab-iMac, hash sum's are on the ISO download page.
[11:09] <paluchlab-iMac> cfhowlett: link please? The download page I am on does not have the sum on it.
[11:13] <paluchlab-iMac> So the standard download page does not have the hashes. You have to go to releases.ubuntu.com
[11:14] <papachan> hi, i have upgrading to 13.04. but unity doesnt accept my icons like Eclipse, Aptana software
[11:15] <papachan> so i cannot launch these apps
[11:15] <Dr_willis> 'dosent accept' ? what you mean by that
[11:19] <papachan> i try to drag it to the launcher
[11:19] <papachan> but unity doesnt add it to the list
[11:20] <Dr_willis> how did you install eclipse and aptana?
[11:21] <papachan> i always download the source, and add my own shortcuts
[11:21] <papachan> in 12.10 ubuntu recognize my apps in the Dash
[11:21] <papachan> but it didnt show the app in the dash anymore
[11:25] <papachan> hmmm i see
[11:26] <papachan> it seems this launcher icon  is not working anymore
[11:27] <paluchlab-iMac> The server disk is not a live cd?
[11:27] <ActionParsnip> paluchlab-iMac: it can be, in CLI only though
[11:27]  * SuperLag wonders if he'll stick out like a sore thumb going to a Linux tech conference with a Macbook Pro in hand? :)
[11:27] <paluchlab-iMac> ActionParsnip: how would I go about doing it.
[11:28] <ActionParsnip> paluchlab-iMac: as soon as you are asked for input, hit CTRL+ALT+F2 or F3 and you will get a TTY
[11:28] <g105b> I am booting Ubuntu iso from Grubmenu. There is only one HDD in the system. Is it possible to install Ubuntu and format the drive like this, even though the iso is on that same drive?
[11:28] <paluchlab-iMac> Thank you
[11:28] <ActionParsnip> SuperLag: some users install Ubuntu on Mac, they are weird
[11:28] <Derfol> hepo plz
[11:28] <Derfol> help
[11:29] <ActionParsnip> g105b: You will need to make a small partition to hold the ISO, you can then install to the remaining space
[11:29] <Derfol> here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2138576&page=2
[11:29] <hubx> anyone else experiencing a 1000e driver powersave issue?
[11:29] <paluchlab-iMac> Didn't go, thanks for the info. Does the desktop fit on a cd?
[11:29] <Derfol> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2138576
[11:29] <ActionParsnip> paluchlab-iMac: yes it does
[11:29] <hubx> i have to disable the powersave option in powertop to make eth0 work
[11:30] <Derfol> Can i use ubuntu official repository in my ow OS?
[11:30] <g105b> ActionParsnip: thanks
[11:31] <Derfol> own
[11:31] <Amnuriak> I'm having issues with my graphics drivers resulting (12.04, ATI FirePro 2770) so that my monitors are not detected properly. See http://askubuntu.com/questions/285354/graphics-driver-for-ati-firepro-2770-not-working-properly-on-12-04 for details
[11:31] <Amnuriak> ignore the "resulting", typo :-/
[11:32] <Hermes1111> hi, newb here seeking help
[11:32] <bhuey> How do I remove the cloud-init support packages and get a normal ubuntu installation ?
[11:32] <Hermes1111> would be eternally grateful if anyone can help me fix this issue
[11:32] <Derfol> help please
[11:33] <Hermes1111> does anyone know how I can disable ctrl+alt function? It resizes your current window
[11:33] <Hermes1111> I cannot find ctrl+alt in any of the keyboard layouts....
[11:33] <Hermes1111> lots of ctrl+alt+ other keys but nothing for just ctrl+alt
[11:34] <Hermes1111> anyone there at all? >_<
[11:35] <Hermes1111> anyone home?
[11:35] <snql> yeah
[11:37] <Derfol> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2138576&page=2 go on forum please and help
[11:37] <Hermes1111> snql do you know how I can disable ctrl + alt hotkey function?
[11:37] <Derfol> bb
[11:37] <ur0pl> for thepiratebay, i am trying to search for the movie "O" 2001, the modern otthelo remake with julia stiles . Do any of you know the synthex that allows me to do that without getting every movie out there? I tried " o " 2001 ... but that didn't work
[11:37] <Hermes1111> there is no option for it in keyboard mapping
[11:37] <Hermes1111> im on ubuntu 11.10
[11:37] <snql> Hermes1111 << no ideas
[11:37] <Hermes1111> hmmm ok, thanks anyhow
[11:38] <BlueEagle> !ot|r0pl
[11:38] <wdonkey> hello ! trying to access my alsamixer controls but it will say "no such file or directory" in the terminal
[11:38] <wdonkey> fresh 13.04 install
[11:39] <BlueEagle> wdonkey: Ubuntu+1 and make sure you're in the Audio group.
[11:39] <BlueEagle> wait, 1304 should be released by now. Forget the above +1 reference. ;)
[11:39] <purplerain> i cannot three fingers tapping if not executing synclient tapbutton3=2.
[11:39] <wdonkey> how do i get into the audio group ?
[11:40] <BlueEagle> wdonkey: man usermod
[11:40] <Hermes1111> BlueEagle, did you see me question earlier? and if so, any ideas?
[11:40] <Hermes1111> my*
[11:40] <marcusk> wdonkey: usermod -a -G audio wdonkey
[11:40] <BlueEagle> wdonkey: You want something... as marcusk writes above :)
[11:41] <Hermes1111> I really need to disable ctrl+alt, it changes window size
[11:41] <BlueEagle> Hermes1111: We do not use the same window manager.
[11:41] <wdonkey> ok
[11:41] <wdonkey> let me try
[11:41] <Hermes1111> i see, thanks anyhow blue ^^
[11:41] <aseegs> "apt-get install kde-workspace", has other way of installing it?
[11:42] <wdonkey> gets me to a liust of options, but i still cant figure out
[11:43] <aseegs> what's about Kde-full?
[11:46] <wdonkey> marcusk: do i have to enter my password or username or something ? tells me the correct form is "usermod options LOGIN"
[11:46] <Kqwarkq> what's about Kde-full?
[11:59] <g105b> how do I use gparted or similar to have a separate partition for a particular directory?
[11:59] <usr13> g105b: Do you have some free space to put it on?
[11:59] <brodymcd> hi all - after MUCH frustration with UEFI on a new Dell XPS 8500 preinstalled with Win8, I just turned the bios to legacy mode and blew out the Win8 drive. I added a second SATA drive to put linux on. It worked (grub was in effect) but then for some reason after an update or what not it stopped working. I'm starting over. What do I need to know to avoid problems? I thought I'd have to choose the HD from the bios boot order each tim
[11:59] <theadmin> g105b: Create a partition. Assign a mountpoint via /etc/fstab
[11:59] <g105b> usr13: yeah, I've made a partition in gparted, but I don't know how to tell it to mount the directory
[12:00] <brodymcd> How does grub kick in across 2 different HDs and such? This is my first new computer in 5 years - is this because of SATA?
[12:00] <Shogoot> So, I installed vsftp.  chroot_local_user=YES, chroot_list_enable=NO ,anonymous_enable=NO, local_enable=YES .  Then i added user and made password. i connect to ftp via plan old ftp and im looking at an empty directory and i cannot change that directory. that is fine, but where in my directory structure am I? I Made a test file in the users homedirectory, but i cannot see that on the ftp client. Is it because i dont have rights to the directory as user or
[12:00] <Shogoot> am i looking at an entirely different directory? A helping had helpt me a bit, conversation here:http://paste.ubuntu.com/5604363/
[12:00] <usr13> g105b:  You'll need to edit /etc/fstab and make an entry for it, (if you want to permanently mount it.
[12:00] <brodymcd> Ultimately I just want to dual boot Win8 and Linux off the 2 drives... can anyone help?
[12:00] <ActionParsnip> brodymcd: do you mean a RAID?
[12:00] <theadmin> g105b: The syntax is similar to this: /dev/sda1 /mnt ext4 defaults (filesystem_location mount_point filesystem_type mount_options)
[12:01] <ActionParsnip> brodymcd: or do you have one OS on one, and another OS on the other
[12:01] <wdonkey_> brodymcd: i've user bootrepair and it fixed my problem once
[12:02] <wdonkey_> having ubuntu on the SSD and win8 on the HDD
[12:02] <usr13> g105b: But if you just want to temporarily mount it, create a mount point, (something you need to do anyway), and mount it with command: sudo mount /dev/sda6 /home/g105b/data
[12:02] <wdonkey_> you gotta make sure the grub partition is on the same drive as the win8s'
[12:02] <brodymcd> ActionParsnip: It isn't on raid, and yes, I want one OS on each drive - tried doing the boot repair thing before and it drove me nuts couldn't get it to work under uefi
[12:02] <g105b> theadmin: what's dump and pass?
[12:02] <usr13> g105b: sda6 and /home/g105b/data   are hypotheticals
[12:03] <theadmin> g105b: Optional things and I have no idea what they mean
[12:03] <g105b> theadmin, usr13: thanks a lot
[12:04] <usr13> g105b: The mount point is just a directory that you create, (and name appropriately), like /home/g105b/data  or  /home/g105b/Videos  etc...
[12:04] <Tha_Duck> Hi. I have downloaded ubuntu-13.04-desktop-amd64+mac.iso. Can't get it on an USB stick using the Pen Drive Linux USB Installer. Only the normal amd64 is recognized. Is there a workaround for that?
[12:04] <iorweth> My hdmi sound-output doesnt work. I an see picture on my tv but no sound - it doesnt show in the settings. Yesterday I was using 13.04 daily build and there it worked, upgraded this morning, and now it doesnt work.
[12:05] <usr13> Tha_Duck: Why can't you get it on a USB stick?
[12:05] <theadmin> Tha_Duck: Not with that tool. Use this: https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer
[12:05] <theadmin> usr13: It has a predefined set of supported distributions and the image used must be one of those
[12:05] <usr13> theadmin: I see.  Thanks for the information
[12:06] <Tha_Duck> usr13; the .iso is not recognized. I renamed it to remove the +mac and then it is found by the tool. After putting it on the USB stick i can't boot :(
[12:06] <usr13> Tha_Duck: You might find http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/  interesting.
[12:07] <Kquarkq> I do with Rmprepusb with easy2boot v1
[12:08] <Tha_Duck> usr13: looks nice. Also tried the linux live usb creator in the meanwhile and that is also working. But today I have a Windows client, tomorrow a Mac again :P
[12:08] <Tha_Duck> And unetboot is also for the mac
[12:08] <brodymcd> i would think that having win8 on one hd and linux on #2 would work if you just picked which one to boot from the bios boot order but i guess not? frustrating
[12:09] <brodymcd> would it work better if i installed linux first?
[12:09] <Kquarkq> i removed the dot from 13.04 from the name im preparation for rmprepusb and easy2boot
[12:09] <yeats> brodymcd: much easier to install Windows first, then use grub for booting both
[12:09] <theadmin> brodymcd: No, Windows would overwrite the bootloader
[12:10] <usr13> brodymcd: Another alternative might be to just run MS Windows in virtualbox.
[12:10] <emocan> saaa
[12:10] <usr13> !virtualbox | brodymcd
[12:11] <Kquarkq> omg, i do smart update command ;O
[12:11] <brodymcd> yeats - so if i have 2 hds and really don't care about anything other than dual booting win8 and linux, what's my order or business? I did the boot repair thing before and it only lasted as long as through one reset cycle, then windows would somehow eat things up and leave me broken again
[12:12] <usr13> brodymcd: Does this PC have options to boot to more than just one drive?
[12:13] <usr13> brodymcd: (May be that it just reverted to boot the other drive.)
[12:15] <brodymcd> usr13 - it just has in the boot order "internal hdds"
[12:17] <DarsVaeda> how do I properly install programs manually? In my case I want to install eclipse juno...so I copy the downloaded folder to "/usr/lib/eclipse" then make a symlink to "/usr/bin/eclipse" for the executable and setup a link for the launche (don't know how to do that yet)
[12:17] <DarsVaeda> is that an appropriate way?
[12:18] <theadmin> DarsVaeda: Don't touch /usr, use /usr/local for stuff outside of packages.
[12:18] <brainwash> or /opt
[12:19] <usr13> DarsVaeda: ln -s
[12:19] <DarsVaeda> ok so I also do not symlink to usr/bin?
[12:19] <usr13> DarsVaeda: see man ln
[12:19] <usr13> DarsVaeda: That's up to you.
[12:19] <usr13> DarsVaeda: Just be sure it's in your path.
[12:20] <DarsVaeda> in my path?
[12:20] <usr13> $PATH
[12:20] <theadmin> DarsVaeda: /usr/local is better for several reasons. Packages won't overwrite it, shall you decide to reinstall Ubuntu to the same partitition, the installer won't touch it either.
[12:21] <DarsVaeda> okay I see thanks
[12:21] <ActionParsnip> DarsVaeda: or /opt
[12:23] <usr13> Ok, gotta gota work c u all later
[12:23] <wctaiwan> I'm using Ubuntu 12.10 on a ThinkPad X220i with Intel Wireless-N 1000. At school we have a WPA2 / PEAP network. I can connect to it fine when the computer boots, but after a few minutes it drops. dmesg shows that it's timing out authenticating.
[12:23] <wctaiwan> I can't  reconnect unless I reboot--restarting network-manager or bringing wlan0 down and then up don't work
[12:23] <ActionParsnip> wctaiwan: what driver module does the wifi use?
[12:23] <wctaiwan> iwlwifi.
[12:24] <wctaiwan> I tried using wicd instead of network manager, but that one didn't connect when I woke the computer up from suspend (says bad password)
[12:24] <ActionParsnip> wctaiwan: tried:  echo "options iwlwifi 11n_disable=0" | sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/iwlwifi.conf > /dev/null
[12:25] <wctaiwan> tried that, don't think it helps :/
[12:25] <ActionParsnip> wctaiwan: or try with =1   if it's not good (unload and reload the module file to apply changes)
[12:25] <wctaiwan> the thing is that this is hard to reproduce, so it's hard to know if something's part of the issue >.<
[12:25] <ActionParsnip> wctaiwan: tried bt_coex_active=0 too?
[12:25] <wctaiwan> I tried =1. I think it enables 802.11n by default.
[12:25] <wctaiwan> nope.
[12:26] <wctaiwan> I think it has to do with it trying to authenticate with a base station, timing out, and instead of trying again, it hops to another base station (with the same ESSID), ad nauseum
[12:26] <wctaiwan> any way to stop it from doing that?
[12:26] <ActionParsnip> wctaiwan: not all wifi adapters can do n speed solidly under Linux in my experience
[12:26] <wctaiwan> yeah, I don't think disabling 802.11n helped..
[12:27] <ActionParsnip> wctaiwan: could maybe increase fidelity, so that it stays on the same point (if possible)
[12:27] <wctaiwan> how can I do that?
[12:28] <alecat> Hi
[12:28] <alecat> Is there a channel for unity ?
[12:28] <wctaiwan> if I were better at scripting I would try to write something that records the BSSID at login and then switches to that network, instead of trying to connect to the common ESSID..
[12:28] <ActionParsnip> alecat: Ubuntu community supports Unity
[12:28] <pdors> !ciao
[12:29] <alecat> ok
[12:29] <ActionParsnip> alecat: on Ubuntu, of course
[12:30] <alecat> so here is my problem. I installed 13.04 on a rather old computer here (3 or 4 years). Unity is so slow at opening. I suspect the fade in effect
[12:31] <alecat> i removed every effect i can: blur, transparency and so on but i did not see any switch for fade in effect
[12:31] <ActionParsnip> alecat: if you have an older system, consider using LXDE or XFCE instead of Gnome + Unity
[12:31] <wisey> Can you create an installer for a flash drive on a mac?
[12:31] <cfhowlett> !mac|wisey, yes
[12:31] <ActionParsnip> wisey: sure
[12:33] <Techno_Wizard> infosec-ninjas
[12:33] <alecat> ActionParsnip, ok, but everything is ok except unity... so
[12:36] <pip__>  hi, when did non LTS releases only become supported for 9 months?  This is news to me
[12:37] <theadmin> pip__: Since 13.04.
[12:37] <wisey> ActionParsnip :: how do I put the installer on a flash drive?
[12:37] <pip__> so it's quote a new thing then ? :)
[12:37] <pip__> quite even
[12:37] <theadmin> pip__: Well, yes.
[12:37] <cfhowlett> pip__, as of this version ... yes.
[12:37] <cfhowlett> !usb|wisey,
[12:37] <pip__> lol, thanks I've not been keeping up TBH
[12:37] <ubuntuaddicted> is there a difference between sudo -s and sudo -i?
[12:38] <pip__> shame, I'm not sure I want to install for only 9 months, I like what I've seen from a live usb though
[12:39] <cfhowlett> pip__, LTS is supported for 5 years with 12.04
[12:39] <Darshi> hi I installed LAMP and it works fine except that localhost always hows it works ! . I want directory listing instead of it works page. If I rename/remove index.html I get 403 forbidden. What should I do ?
[12:39] <pip__> yah, that's what I'm running ATM, & it's working well
[12:40] <pip__> how are AMD drivers for 13.04?
[12:40] <cfhowlett> pip__, I switched to LTS only and I'm loving me some ubuntu.
[12:40] <chop1n> Darshi, check if you have "Options +Indexes" enable for your directories
[12:41] <pip__> I went back from 12.10 to 12.04 & everything has been sweet, I think I may stick with LTSs
[12:41] <chop1n> Darshi, please, take a look at this: http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/DirectoryListings
[12:41] <pip__> I have one rig I can "play" with, so there's an option
[12:42] <cfhowlett> pip__, absent a real NEED for the latest/greatest/shinest ubuntu, I'd say LTS for everyone ...
[12:42] <Darshi> chop1n, I have Options Indexes in default file of sites-available
[12:43] <pip__> Yeah, I tend to agree, I was curious about 13.04, moving up may be more hassle than it's worth, & I suppose if it isn't broken why fix it?
[12:45] <chop1n> Darshi, could you please paste me your config on pastebin.org?
[12:45] <pip__> that's great, thanks guys, cy'all soon
[12:46] <Darshi> chop1n, sure 1 min please
[12:47] <chop1n> Darshi, thanks buddy
[12:47] <un2him> How can I make documents, music, and other folders show up in dash?
[12:48] <chop1n> Darshi, also, please check if you don't have any .htaccess files in the directories where you want to create the indexes ;-)
[12:48] <wisey> cfhowlett :: I tried this => "hdiutil convert -format UDRW -o /Users/colinwiseman/Desktop/ubuntu.img /Users/colinwiseman/Downloads/ubuntu-5.10-install-powerpc.iso"
[12:48] <wisey> but it didn't work
[12:49] <wisey> have i got the usage wrong?
[12:49] <Darshi> chop1n, thank you so much I had .htaccess file
[12:49] <Darshi> chop1n, thank you so much for pointing to it
[12:50] <cfhowlett> !mac|wisey, I'm going to have to bail as I've never done a mac install and I understand so little of what you just posted.  sorry.
[12:51] <DarsVaeda> how do I add a program to that unity search panel thing?
[12:51] <MonkeyDust> !isitout
[12:52]  * cfhowlett ...ubottu seems to be loosing patience with that question ...
[12:55] <demonoid_me> hello to all
[12:56] <demonoid_me> i have Intel® Core™2 Quad CPU Q9550 @ 2.83GHz × 4 with 4GB ram
[12:56] <lapdis> demonoid_me: that is not enough to run angular
[12:56] <demonoid_me> and my ubuntu 12.04 isn't work fast
[12:56] <demonoid_me> if i compile my kernel it will be more fast?
[12:57] <c2tarun> demonoid_me: try google, Linux From Scratch I doubt any usable linux can be faster then that
[12:57] <c2tarun> demonoid_me: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/
[12:58] <demonoid_me> c2tarun: but i need gnome i use my ubuntu for desktop
[12:58] <c2tarun> demonoid_me: Linux from scratch will help you the minimal linux with a desktop environment. DE can be gnome, KDE or anything you want.
[12:59] <c2tarun> in building the minimal linux**
[12:59] <demonoid_me> c2tarun: yes i know but i never make linux from scrath and i don't know if i can do it :)
[12:59] <MonkeyDust> demonoid_me  140+ people in #ubuntu-kernel
[13:00] <c2tarun> demonoid_me: well thats why geeks invented virtualbox :) to experiment ;)
[13:00]  * c2tarun or created
[13:01] <demonoid_me> c2tarun: yes i know :)
[13:01] <demonoid_me> c2tarun, how much time you spend for linux from scratch?
[13:01] <c2tarun> demonoid_me: 1 week before I realized that preparation for GRE requires more time and will do me more good :)
[13:02] <cropcircle> hi, i upgraded to 13.04 and now i have problem with skype it wont starts : Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[13:02] <c2tarun> demonoid_me: anyway since you were interested in compiling linux then I told you about LFS.
[13:03] <demonoid_me> c2tarun,yes 10x :)
[13:03] <c2tarun> demonoid_me: if you want you can try other lightweight distros (crunchbang my fav) of try Unity 2D or Ubuntu fallback session, they are pretty fast as compared to Unity
[13:03] <demonoid_me> c2tarun, i use unity 2D
[13:03] <c2tarun> demonoid_me: and you really like Unity and don't want to leave it?
[13:04] <DarsVaeda> how do I add a program to the launcher?
[13:04] <demonoid_me> c2tarun, nooooo :)))) i don't
[13:04] <c2tarun> DarsVaeda: launcher means sidebar?
[13:04] <BluesKaj_> Hey all
[13:04] <Hammerhead2011-S> java plugin for mozilla 7 or 8 howto? Is there such a thing?
[13:04] <demonoid_me> c2tarun, i don't know may be i will try LFS
[13:04] <DarsVaeda> when you hit that icon in the sidebar and type an application name
[13:05] <c2tarun> demonoid_me: great :) I guess they have pretty detailed tutorial which will make you a real real linux geek for sure.
[13:05] <MonkeyDust> !java | Hammerhead2011-S start here
[13:05] <Hammerhead2011-S> just the plugin part....Java install complete....plugin in Chromium still saying blocked because of outdataed plugin
[13:05] <linux> how can i know the character  that is Uppercase or lowercase
[13:06] <BlueEagle> linux: By looking at it?
[13:06] <c2tarun> linux: you dont know the difference b/w upper and lower case?
[13:06] <Hammerhead2011-S> ASCII value
[13:06] <c2tarun> +1 to BlueEagle
[13:06] <demonoid_me> c2tarun, if i need help can i ask you :)
[13:07] <BlueEagle> linux: I am sorry. In which context are you asking? Linux shell commands are usually always lowercase all the way.
[13:07] <ActionParsnip> Hammerhead2011-S: how did you install java?
[13:07] <DarsVaeda> I can't believe how ridiculously difficult it seems to be to add a program to the launcher -.-
[13:07] <Hammerhead2011-S> apt-get
[13:07] <ActionParsnip> Hammerhead2011-S: what package name?
[13:07] <DarsVaeda> I read several tutorial but they take several minutes, why isn't there a "add to launcher" context menu O_o
[13:07] <Hammerhead2011-S> I'm sorry.....it's Oracles version
[13:07] <BlueEagle> linux: If you are createing a shell script and want to compare two strings without case sensitivity it is usually good enough to convert both strings to either upper or lower case.
[13:07] <Hammerhead2011-S> 7 and 8
[13:08] <tyong> hi
[13:08] <c2tarun> demonoid_me: well, you can always ask me, but I don't know how much I will be able to help :) but there is a mailing-list and IRC for lfs http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/support.html  I prefer IRC but subscribing to ML will not hurt
[13:08] <ActionParsnip> Hammerhead2011-S: so you used the Webupd8 ppa?
[13:08] <uvala> is there a way to increase screen brightness of lenovo thinkpad? the brightness setting is at maximum, but it's much less bright than my other laptop's.
[13:08] <Hammerhead2011-S> correct
[13:08] <ActionParsnip> Hammerhead2011-S: then I suggest you contact the PPA maintainer
[13:08] <michael_irc> correct
[13:08] <cfhowlett> uvala, maxed out is maxed out ...
[13:08] <ActionParsnip> uvala: what is the full model please?
[13:08] <Hammerhead2011-S> Chromium is telling me the plugin is outdated....Mozilla is just "not working"
[13:08] <Hammerhead2011-S> something is screwed
[13:08] <ActionParsnip> uvala: sudo dmidecode -t 1    will tell you
[13:09] <ActionParsnip> Hammerhead2011-S: mozilla isn't a browser
[13:09] <demonoid_me> c2tarun, yes you are right :) i will subscribing :)
[13:09] <Hammerhead2011-S> firefox...you know what I mean
[13:09] <Hammerhead2011-S> :-)
[13:09] <Hammerhead2011-S> Mozilla used to be a browser
[13:09] <ubuntuaddicted> does anyone know how I get nvidia-current to install a certain version? original nvidia-current was 295.40 BUT now it's 304.88
[13:09] <Hammerhead2011-S> showing my age now.
[13:10] <BlueEagle> ubuntuaddicted: The 'current' part of the package name indicates that this installs the lastest officially supported version (ie the current version).
[13:10] <demonoid_me> c2tarun, many things you learn when you do LFK?
[13:10] <uvala> ActionParsnip, it is a Lenovo Thinkpad R400
[13:10] <ActionParsnip> Hammerhead2011-S: not seeing any sites about a mozilla browser, its a company
[13:10] <BlueEagle> ubuntuaddicted: The question then becomes "how do I install nvidia 295.40 instead of nvidia-current.
[13:11] <Hammerhead2011-S> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Firefox#Naming
[13:11] <r00t-err0r> can i install ubuntu without unity?
[13:11] <ActionParsnip> uvala: what is the output of:  lsb_release -a
[13:11] <ubuntuaddicted> BlueEagle, well, crystalbuntu originally came with 295.40 using nvidia-current, i uninstalled nvidia-current and installed nvidia website version 304.88. i'd like to revert to 295.40
[13:12] <auronandace> r00t-err0r: of course you can
  I'm old so it's what we used to call it.
[13:12] <ActionParsnip> Hammerhead2011-S: yes, phoenix was the first publicly available....
[13:12] <c2tarun> demonoid_me: yes you'll learn many many things. You can start here: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/hints/downloads/files/essential_prereading.txt
[13:12] <r00t-err0r> how? auronandace
[13:13] <r00t-err0r> i want new relase of unbuntu without unity
[13:13] <r00t-err0r> and without gui, i want install all my self
[13:13] <ActionParsnip> r00t-err0r: then install Xubuntu or Kubuntu
[13:13] <BluesKaj_> ubuntuaddicted, just instll nvidia-current again , it should remove the present driver install the current , then reboot
[13:13] <cfhowlett> r00t-err0r, lubuntu/xubuntu are both non-unity
[13:13] <demonoid_me> c2tarun, 10x man!!!!
[13:13] <ActionParsnip> r00t-err0r: then install minimal for no UI
[13:13] <ubuntuaddicted> r00t-err0r, install ubuntu minimal
[13:13] <MonkeyDust> !mini | r00t-err0r
[13:13] <auronandace> r00t-err0r: you could use the mini iso and install just what you want or just install a supported derivative such as xubuntu if you want xfce
[13:13] <r00t-err0r> tnx 2 all
[13:13] <ubuntuaddicted> BluesKaj_, i did and as I said it has installed 304.88 NOT 295.40
[13:14] <BlueEagle> ubuntuaddicted: Uninstall the new version and then install nvidia-current, if that gives the version you want.
[13:14] <Paddy_NI> Hey I installed Ubuntu on a newly fitted second HDD, I have other operating systems installed on the original first hdd which is currently the one which grub is loading from.. How do I have my currently running ubuntu install its own GRUB which will be the main bootable GRUB from which the rest of the OS's load from
[13:15] <BlueEagle> ubuntuaddicted: I do not know how  you got 304.88 if it was not in the repo.
[13:15] <linux> linux:leave now
[13:15] <ubuntuaddicted> BlueEagle, i removed the Nvidia website installed 304.88 version using the script, I then issued sudo apt-get install nvidia-current and it installed Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-security/restricted nvidia-current i386 304.88-0ubuntu0.0.2 [38.4 MB]
[13:15] <ubuntuaddicted> Get:2 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-security/main nvidia-settings i386 304.88-0ubuntu0.0.2 [2082 kB]
[13:15] <Paddy_NI> Oh deary me my grammer is awful
[13:16] <uvala> ActionParsnip, this is the output; http://paste.ubuntu.com/5604568/
[13:17] <BlueEagle> ubuntuaddicted: Do you have something like nvidia-295 and nvidia-295-updates in the repositories?
[13:17] <ubuntuaddicted> BlueEagle, weird hey?
[13:17] <leojohn> I am a fish.
[13:17] <ubuntuaddicted> BlueEagle, no, that's what's weird. I am using Ubuntu 12.04
[13:19] <leojohn> full of English ，My god.
[13:19] <skillpiG> wut.
[13:19] <Stameni>  hello, i have tried to install python3-numpy but it says this : http://paste.debian.net/421/      earlier i didnt faced those problems ever
[13:19] <Stameni>  ( ubuntu 13.04 )
[13:21] <BlueEagle> ubuntuaddicted: After an update and a query my nvidia-current also sports 304
[13:21] <BlueEagle> ubuntuaddicted: And the highest version spesific I have is 173. :/
[13:22] <rynop> apt noob q - anyone know what the 'key' param referrers to in https://github.com/puppetlabs/puppetlabs-apt#aptkey ? How would I get that value if I have the .key file URL and repo URL?
[13:25] <BlueEagle> Stameni: My best guess is to apt-get install liblapack3gf and then try numpy
[13:26] <ubuntuaddicted> BlueEagle, so, is there a way to revert to 295.40?
[13:26] <Stameni> BlueEagle, it brings up dependecies and "unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages"
[13:27] <Stameni> and it is a clean install
[13:27] <Stameni> i didnt mess up with anything
[13:28] <BlueEagle> ubuntuaddicted: try http://www.geforce.com/drivers/beta-legacy
[13:28] <BlueEagle> 3gf brings up dependency issues too?
[13:28] <ChemicalToilet> does anyone here run 12.04 with an ati radeon hd 4200
[13:28] <ubuntuaddicted> rynop, the keys for repositories are used for authentification
[13:29] <ChemicalToilet> amd*
[13:30] <ChemicalToilet> some unacceptable language going on here, I'll call back later
[13:30] <darkshadow> hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
[13:30] <rynop> ubuntuaddicted, yep - how would I find the 8 char key for a repo?  I have the .key file and I know the repo. I'm not sure where to get the 8 chars to pass to that puppet module.
[13:33] <ubuntuaddicted> rynop, they aren't always 8 characters I don't think, that's the non-hashed version of the key I think.
[13:33] <ubuntuaddicted> rynop, what's the repo and key you're referring to?
[13:33] <ubuntuaddicted> BlueEagle, under the beta and legacy drivers it doesn't show 295.40. hmmmmm
[13:34] <ubuntuaddicted> BlueEagle, thanks anyway for trying to help
[13:34] <rynop> ubuntuaddicted, https://github.com/puppetlabs/puppetlabs-apt#aptkey is the example. 'jenkins':  key        => 'D50582E6',  key_source => 'http://pkg.jenkins-ci.org/debian/jenkins-ci.org.key'. Where are they getting 'D50582E6' from?
[13:35] <ubuntuaddicted> rynop, that's the keyname, see this ppa here, how the key is named AA836CA8 but when you click on the link it's a hashed key. https://launchpad.net/~sunab/+archive/ppa
[13:36] <ubuntuaddicted> rynop, what is the repo you're trying to use? isn't there a key associated with it?
[13:36] <ActionParsnip> ChemicalToilet: there is a known issue with 12.04/.10  and Radeo 2xxx, 3xxx and 4xxx GPUs
[13:36] <hggdh> shalom01
[13:36] <rynop> ubuntuaddicted, yea - http://s3tools.org/repo/deb-all and key file is http://s3tools.org/repo/deb-all/stable/s3tools.key. How do I find the key name?
[13:36] <ActionParsnip> ChemicalToilet: https://launchpad.net/~makson96/+archive/fglrx
[13:37] <CyL> Hi, I believe 13.04 install program might have overwritten my previous bootloader with grub. Does it make a backup of the previous bootloader of any kind?
[13:37] <rynop> ubuntuaddicted, deb http://s3tools.org/repo/deb-all stable/ is the full
[13:37] <ChemicalToilet> cool, thank tou for the info, I was just trying to do my research before upgrading actionparsnip :)
[13:37] <ActionParsnip> CyL: I don't believe so
[13:38] <hggdh> CyL: if grub was told to install on the MBR, your previous bootloader is gone
[13:38] <ubuntuaddicted> rynop, that is the keyname. s3tools.key
[13:38] <hggdh> CyL: no backups
[13:38] <papachan> well ubuntu 13.04 dont open my software center include my ubuntu one panel
[13:39] <rynop> ubuntuaddicted, I think what i'm really looking for is the 'signing key' value.  How do you find that for a given repo?
[13:39] <CyL> hggdh: Well, look who I found here ;) That's another issue, I think there might be a big in the 13.04 install program, since my main harddisk is /dev/sda, and I told grub too be instaled on the MBR of /dev/sdc which is a thumbdrive I was installing Ubuntu onto
[13:39] <rynop> ubuntuaddicted, ex your sunab ppa has a 'signing key' of 1024R/AA836CA8
[13:39] <CyL> s/big/bug
[13:40] <ubuntuaddicted> rynop, im pretty sure yours is s3tools
[13:40] <ubuntuaddicted> rynop, can't you try it and see if it works?
[13:40] <rynop> ubuntuaddicted, yea i'll give it a try thx.
[13:40] <CyL> hggdh: I've done pretty intricate repartitioning of the thumbdrive though
[13:41] <hggdh> CyL: :-) so it *is* you. I wondered...
[13:42] <hggdh> CyL: indeed it sounds like a but. You should have logs under /var/log/install
[13:42] <hggdh> CyL: s/but/bug/
[13:42] <CyL> hggdh: Yes, indeed. I'll take a look at them;
[13:43] <rynop> ubuntuaddicted, actually its 'C762B6E6' - I know this cuz i added the repo via synaptic on another box of mine  - if u look @ authentication tab is shows the signing key val.
[13:44] <rynop> ubuntuaddicted, and just verified that case by using the puppet module and passing in that val and the url to key - and it worked. no clue how u get that 8 char val beforehand tho.
[13:44] <ubuntuaddicted> rynop, huhhh? not sure but at least you figured it out
[13:45] <maodun> I upgraded to 13.04 and no longer have wired or wireless network adapters
[13:45] <maodun> what should I do to restore networking?
[13:45] <rynop> ubuntuaddicted, not really - cuz i want to know how to do it in general cuz i dont want to have to manually add to fig out the signing key every time. Reason im using puppet is to avoid manual stuff.
[13:46] <papachan> how i can reinstall my sowftare center? and ubuntu one?
[13:47] <CyL> hggdh: Well, since the logs are safe on the thumbdrive, I'll work this bootloader issue first, we talk later.
[13:47] <hggdh> CyL: ack
[13:47] <fragz> good morning
[13:47] <ixio2> trying to use ubuntu to recover a windows box that wont boot.. whe I try mount the NTFS disk I get "failed to read NTFS $bitmap: input/output error NTFS is either inconsistent, or there is a hardware fault, or its softRAID/fakeRAID.......... its not fakeraid or softraid.. any suggestions ?
[13:47] <papachan> oh i found this: Warning in file "/usr/share/applications/sublime-text-2.desktop": usage of MIME type "x-directory/normal" is discouraged ("x-directory" is an old media type that should be replaced with a modern equivalent)
[13:48] <cfhowlett> fragz, greetings
[13:48] <papachan> thats my problem i think
[13:52] <subthalamus> this error is bugging me http://askubuntu.com/questions/191862/hdio-get-identity-failed-for-dev-sdb-invalid-argument
[13:52] <ubuntuaddicted> rynop, hopefully someone else can help as I am not sure at all
[13:52] <harris> how do i turn off the mower managment from command line
[13:52] <subthalamus> that isn't my post but basically the exact same problem except non-fatal
[13:52] <subthalamus> it has just done that since precise (now raring)
[13:53] <subthalamus> at every boot
[13:53] <rynop> ubuntuaddicted, ok that at least makes me feel better. If/when i find out I'll post back here.
[13:53] <rynop> ubuntuaddicted, sounds like there is no standard way to find per 'How to find and add a key' in http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt
[13:54] <rynop> i find that hard to belive tho
[13:55] <guest-AK7HkY> hi
[13:55] <ubuntuaddicted> rynop, yeah, the apt key. you;d think it was standardized
[13:59] <papachan> oh i think some guy hacve the same problem here -> http://askubuntu.com/questions/283895/software-center-reinstallation-fails
[14:00]  * cfhowlett looking forward to Saucy Salamander
[14:01] <Slaizer> hi all, i am using Ubuntu 12.10 on a computer, and having difficulties finding my wlan. Any help would be appreciated.
[14:02] <michael_irc> can it just do't show sb's sign in or out
[14:02] <UbuNoob> Cannot write to a newly installed hard drive.. Can I get some help olease?
[14:03] <UbuNoob> I've installed Ubuntu 12.10.  My computer has 2 hard drives. The OS is on one and I want to use the second for movies and music.  I formatted the the second drive ( dev/SDC1) as Ext4 with the label Media1.  I cannot create a folder on the Media1 drive. I also want all users to have read, write, and execute permissions.
[14:04] <genii-around> UbuNoob: You will need to make a folder on the root of that drive and make it accessible for al the users you want to be able to write there.
[14:05] <UbuNoob> That I think is my problem, I cant create a folder
[14:06] <michael_irc> you have formatted it ,so you have the permission ,
[14:06] <michael_irc> do you think so
[14:10] <UbuNoob> I tried to add "Video" folder with sudo mkdir /media/Media1/Video
[14:12] <Paddy_NI> UbuNoob, This guide works beautifully on ubuntu too http://www.elementaryupdate.com/2013/04/share-folder-among-various-local-users.html
[14:12] <yeats> UbuNoob: is the drive monunted?
[14:13] <SonikkuAmerica> Guess Google Chrome users lose out in 13.04..
[14:13] <SonikkuAmerica> Depends on libudev0 and libxss1, but they aren't installable.
[14:13] <everestt> What kind of wireless network is "12"? ? The icon beside it is different. http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=k0olqv&s=5
[14:13] <yeats> SonikkuAmerica: chromium-browser?
[14:14] <subthalamus> http://paste.debian.net/439/
[14:14] <SonikkuAmerica> yeats: Blechhhh. I prefer the proprietary one... it has Flash 11.7/
[14:14] <yeats> SonikkuAmerica: ah - ok
[14:15] <SonikkuAmerica> It's because Ubuntu ditched libudev0 for libudev1
[14:15] <yeats> SonikkuAmerica: http://www.webupd8.org/2013/04/fix-google-chrome-cant-be-installed-in.html
[14:16] <SonikkuAmerica> Spotted it. thx
[14:16] <UbuNoob> ok.. I've successfully created a folder .. I had to use mkdir /media/zam/Media1/Video  (I saw the full path while hovering over the Mdeia1 drive
[14:17] <cristina> slart hello
[14:17] <everestt> *bump* Hey guys, anyone know what kind of connection is '12' shown in the screenshot? http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=k0olqv&s=5
[14:18] <Espen> Hey! Do anyone here know what driver is included with Ubuntu 13.04? Im curious if fglrx-updates for AMD, is the latest AMD driver Catalyst 13.4?
[14:18] <sw> everestt, A very odd one :b
[14:18] <UbuNoob> Cannot add anything to it. Looking at PADDY_NI's link in permissions now
[14:19] <everestt> sw, you think? :)
[14:19] <Slaizer> hi all, trying to get Ubuntu wireless on a: Atheros Communications Inc. Device 002c (rev 01) card. Any help would be appreciated.
[14:19] <cristina> any yahoo messenger with webcam?
[14:20] <cristina> pidgin works?
[14:21] <Caroline19> Hey guys, need a little bit of help. I want to set up an ssh server at home so I can connect to it from my workplace. However, I have more than one machine running linux. How do I specify which server am I connecting to when I do ssh?
[14:21] <subthalamus> is there a way to tell hdparm to just not run on external usb hdd?
[14:21] <Espen> Hey! Do anyone here know what driver is included with Ubuntu 13.04? Im curious if fglrx-updates for AMD, is the latest AMD driver Catalyst 13.4?
[14:22] <papachan> what is this error i have? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5604786/
[14:22] <DJones> Caroline19: I have mine set up via the adsl router, so that that receives the ssh request on a specific port and then that forwards to the specific ip address of the machine thats running ssh server
[14:22] <papachan> any idea about fix it?
[14:22] <michael_irc> 12.9
[14:23] <Caroline19> DJones, I see, I'll look up some more info about it then. Thank you very much.
[14:24] <yeats> papachan: see bug 1068680
[14:24] <papachan> ubottu thanks
[14:27] <UbuNoob> Thanks ALL... got it sorted    sudo chmod -R 777 /Media/zam/Media now allows me add files and folders...
[14:27] <zero_coder> hello
[14:29] <BlueEagle> UbuNoob: Oh.. World readable is most likely not the best option from a securtiy point of view. Perhaps making the files group writable and add them and yourself to the media group?
[14:29] <BlueEagle> s/readable/writable/
[14:32] <soahccc> Shouldn't that route the IP through the VPN connection or did I missed something?    1.2.3.4/32  10.10.10.201       UGSc            0       13    ppp0
[14:33] <UbuNoob> BlueEagle how can I undo what I did and If I have 2 users "plex" and "david", how can I give those two permissions?
[14:33] <ubuntuaddicted> UbuNoob, whos the owner and group of the folder?
[14:34] <UbuNoob> Im sorry... how can I find out who the owner is?
[14:35] <stercor> is there a way to upgrade from 12.10 13.04 without reformatting the hard drive?
[14:35] <jrib> !upgrade | stercor
[14:35] <ActionParsnip> !upgrade | stercor
[14:35] <penk> hi folks, my auto-upgrade in cron.daily has been throwing "Package 'mysql-common' has conffile prompt and needs to be upgraded manually - so I log into the host and do "sudo aptitude upgrade mysql-common" - which upgrades fine without any conffile prompt problems.
[14:35] <penk> Any ideas?
[14:35] <ActionParsnip> stercor: Raring has shorter support than Quantal, just so you know
[14:35] <stercor> Thanks!
[14:35] <ubuntuaddicted> UbuNoob, ls -la /media/zam/
[14:35] <ubuntuaddicted> UbuNoob, enter that in a terminal
[14:35] <jrib> penk: apt-cache policy mysql-common
[14:36] <ActionParsnip> penk: I suggest you use apt-get , it handles mutiarch better
[14:36] <penk> jrib: mysql-common:
[14:36] <penk>   Installed: 5.5.31-0ubuntu0.12.04.1
[14:36] <penk>   Candidate: 5.5.31-0ubuntu0.12.04.1
[14:36] <penk> it updated :)
[14:36] <penk> jrib: do you want the full output?
[14:36] <jrib> penk: when was the last time you got the message?  Are there any other versions available in the output?
[14:37] <penk> yes, sec
[14:37] <penk> last time was this morning
[14:37] <penk> jrib: http://pastebin.stonekeep.com/12668
[14:38] <UbuNoob> root i slisted in the third and fourth column
[14:38] <penk> ActionParsnip: my understanding is that 'aptitude' is the preferred way to manage updates and upgrades.  is that no longer the case?
[14:38] <ubuntuaddicted> UbuNoob, what's your user's name?
[14:38] <jrib> penk: on 12.04 aptitude will cause you issues with multi-arch.  In 12.10 and later, it should be okay
[14:39] <penk> interesting.
[14:39] <Espen> Anyone care to explain fglrx to me? Is it open-source or AMD's own driver blob? Because cchtml.com refers xorg edgers ppa as open-source drivers, but yet you find fglrx drivers there? + Whats up with those fglrx version numbers? Why aren't they called 13.4? etc?
[14:39] <penk> should i do the update with apt-get here?
[14:39] <jrib> penk: I don't really see why you would be getting the message.  Maybe pastebin what you are seeing in the logs?
[14:39] <ubuntuaddicted> jrib, huh? what do you mean issues with multi-arch?
[14:39] <penk> one moment.
[14:39] <NetFlam> Hi
[14:39] <jrib> ubuntuaddicted: as in it gets confused and wants to remove half of your packages if you use multi-arch
[14:39] <jrib> !aptitude | ubuntuaddicted
[14:40] <ubuntuaddicted> jrib, what is "multi-arch"?
[14:40] <codephobic> hi
[14:40] <jrib> ubuntuaddicted: you can have an amd64 system with i386 packages
[14:40] <ubuntuaddicted> jrib, ah, i see.
[14:40] <jrib> !aptitude =~ s/and higher/and 12.04/
[14:41] <jrib> !aptitude =~ s/currently//
[14:41] <codephobic> I'm having a few issues getting my mounts to work in 13.04. I used cifs to access my readyNAS duo previously, in 12.10, but in 13.04 it doesn't seem to work
[14:41] <codephobic> I tried a clean install of 13.04 and I can't even get smbfs to install
[14:41] <codephobic> apt-get doesn't recognise the package at all
[14:41] <lotuspsychje> !info smbfs
[14:42] <lotuspsychje> codephonic: was that the correct package name?
[14:42] <codephobic> !info smbfs
[14:42] <penk> jrib: very odd.  nothing in the history.log file showing mysql-common being touched until i ran the aptitude upgrade mysql-common
[14:42] <theadmin> codephobic: cifs-utils
[14:42] <penk> which successfully upgraded.
[14:42] <theadmin> codephobic: "smbfs" is ages old, it's "cifs" as of now.
[14:42] <Espen> Anyone care to explain fglrx to me? Is it open-source or AMD's own driver blob? Because cchtml.com refers xorg edgers ppa as open-source drivers, but yet you find fglrx drivers there? + Whats up with those fglrx version numbers? Why aren't they called 13.4? etc?
[14:42] <codephobic> theadmin, ah, thanks.
[14:43] <adamk> Espen: fglrx is proprietary, not open source.
[14:43] <theadmin> Espen: fglrx is propretiary, as for version numbers, eeh... Ask AMD
[14:43] <Espen> then is the x.org edgers not open source?
[14:43] <theadmin> Espen: I think it has more than just fglrx, no?
[14:44] <vak> hi all, will be the /home/myuser/Documents preserved after upgrade?
[14:44] <stercor> Thanks!
[14:44] <theadmin> vak: Everything is preserved if you upgrade using the Update Manager, including apps, files, etc
[14:44] <designbybeck> So if I download the 13.04 iso...and compare it to the checksum and they both are the same, that means it downloaded correctly and isn't corrupt?
[14:44] <adamk> Espen: They have two different version numbers, one presumably for internal use and one for consumer use.  Makes things extra complicated.
[14:44] <vak> theadmin: ok, thanks!
[14:44] <UbuNoob> would it be something like   sudo chown -R 777 $plex:$david /media/zam/Media1 ?
[14:44] <theadmin> designbybeck: Yep
[14:44] <designbybeck> gotcha...thank you theadmin
[14:45] <adamk> Espen: X.org Edgers is a repo for various X related pcakages, both open source and not.
[14:45] <jrib> designbybeck: very probably :)
[14:45] <Espen> ah alright
[14:45] <theadmin> UbuNoob: "chown" changes ownership, not permissions, 777 has nothing to do there.
[14:45] <theadmin> UbuNoob: Also $ refers to environment variables, you likely don't want that there.
[14:45] <designbybeck> I think I had a problem with the USB drive itself I am using and/or unetbootin
[14:46] <ubuntuaddicted> UbuNoob, no, do you have a video group?
[14:46] <helmut_> hi
[14:46] <lotuspsychje> does 13.04 have the choice to remove usernames at login screen?
[14:46] <UbuNoob> Video group .. no
[14:46] <nxt_> hi
[14:46] <Espen> last question: ubuntu lists this for 13.04, Package: fglrx-updates (2:9.012-0ubuntu1) [restricted]. and xorg edgers:  fglrx-installer-12 	2:12.104-0ubuntu1~xedgers~raring1
[14:46] <Espen> the xorg edgers is newer yes?
[14:46] <codephobic> theadmin, is it still correct to use //xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/directory /media/mydirectory cifs -o username=...,password=...,file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777,iocharset=utf8 0 0?
[14:47] <theadmin> lotuspsychje: hidden-users option under [UserAccounts] in /etc/lightdm/users.conf
[14:47] <lotuspsychje> theadmin: it still needs manually config right?
[14:47] <ubuntuaddicted> UbuNoob, ok, what's your users name?
[14:47] <theadmin> codephobic: If you mean in fstab, then almost... -o isn't supposed to be there.
[14:47] <theadmin> lotuspsychje: Well yeah, can't find it in the GUIs
[14:47] <lotuspsychje> theadmin: tnx
[14:48] <codephobic> theadmin, yes and thanks
[14:48] <theadmin> codephobic: -o is used to specify options for the "mount" command
[14:48] <rAnd0m> Hello World!
[14:48] <Eit8> I'm having a problem with unity, I can't seem to apply changes to unity behaviour/icon size from the appearance menu
[14:49] <lotuspsychje> Eit8: older hardware? did you try a reboot?
[14:49] <UbuNoob> I have two users right now   plex and David  I eventually see adding Sue John and Alex so maybe I should create a group, give the group permissions to read write execute and add the new users to that group?
[14:49] <Eit8> lotuspsychje: long story short, I had to reinstall my legacy ATI driver to make it work after 13.04 upgrade, then it worked but I'm having some flaws
[14:49] <ubuntuaddicted> UbuNoob, i would suggest changing the group of the /media/zam/Media1 to match your users group name. sudo chgrp -R username /media/zam/Media1
[14:50] <lotuspsychje> Eit8: did you check additional drivers section if you installed correct one?
[14:50] <ubuntuaddicted> UbuNoob, that would work as well. you may have a video group already. what does entering "groups" return in the comand line?
[14:50] <ActionParsnip> ubuntuaddicted: you can use chown to set groups too :)
[14:51] <uroyanme> what format should I format my external H-drive so its universal format?
[14:51] <ActionParsnip> chmod .groupname folder
[14:51] <ActionParsnip> uroyanme: NTFS can be read by both Windows and Ubuntu
[14:51] <UbuNoob> zam  adm  cdrom  sudo  dip  plugdev  lpadmin  sambashare
[14:51] <uroyanme> ActionParsnip: Once again, Thanks!
[14:52] <Eit8> lotuspsychje: drivers are ok, I've checked that
[14:52] <uroyanme> ActionParsnip: What utility again?
[14:52] <jrib> ActionParsnip: it's 2013 use ':' not '.' :)
[14:52] <ActionParsnip> uroyanme: if you want to format to NTFS, use a windows box
[14:52] <theadmin> ActionParsnip: And chown... Not chmod :P
[14:52] <codephobic> theadmin, I'm still getting an error "mount error(95)". I created a credentials file under /root, then stored my username and password as "username=xxxx, password=xxxx"
[14:52] <lotuspsychje> Eit8: did the default driver not work properly (the one that setup choose)?
[14:52] <uroyanme> ActionParsnip: Using ubuntu.
[14:52] <ActionParsnip> theadmin: d'oh, thanks :)
[14:53] <uroyanme> ActionParsnip: I figured it out, thanks
[14:53] <ActionParsnip> uroyanme: its a proprietary file system, I believe there is a tool in Ubuntu but the only real people who know how to format ntfs properly are microsoft
[14:53] <Eit8> lotuspsychje: the default driver never worked for me, because I'm using an HD4890, the support was dropped many months ago
[14:53] <lotuspsychje> Eit8: maybe a clean install would sort the correct driver for you?
[14:53] <ubuntuaddicted> ActionParsnip, yes but don't you also have to specify the username with it, example sudo chown foo:groupname /mount/
[14:54] <uroyanme> ActionParsnip: Fat is universal?
[14:54] <Eit8> lotuspsychje: you mean I should reinstall ubuntu ?
[14:54] <ubuntuaddicted> UbuNoob, ok, you may want to create a video group, change the group for that folder to video, then add your users to that group
[14:54] <ActionParsnip> uroyanme: yes but not very robust, fat32 is a lot better but has a 4Gb file size limit
[14:54] <ActionParsnip> ubuntuaddicted: that does it too :)
[14:54] <lotuspsychje> Eit8: im gonna clean install for sure, yes..
[14:55] <uroyanme> Ok, going to do some reasearch, thanks pal
[14:55] <codephobic> anyone got a working method for permanently mounting NAS/windows network folders in 13.04?
[14:55] <ubuntuaddicted> UbuNoob, OR, like me, i just made the folders with /media/ group be my username and then i add other users to my group BUT it depends how you want to control users access
[14:56] <lotuspsychje> Eit8: maybe someone in channel knows a trick to reinstall the driver that 13.04 would go for by default?
[14:56] <Eit8> lotuspsychje: it's a compiz config problem for sure
[14:56] <uroyanme> ActionParsnip: I have ext2 and ext4 as an option. Ext4 is better?
[14:56] <lotuspsychje> Eit8: you dont use unity?
[14:56] <joalland> \join #ubuntu-fr
[14:57] <Eit8> lotuspsychje: I'm using distros way more unstable than this and I never had any problem that I had to sort reinstalling, this is just ridicolous
[14:57] <UbuNoob> to create a group ... groupadd Video  ?
[14:58] <ubuntuaddicted> UbuNoob, sudo groupadd video
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> Eit8: im just sugesting what i would do mate, clean install
[14:58] <ubuntuaddicted> UbuNoob, linux is very sensitive with capital and lowercase
[14:58] <ubuntuaddicted> UbuNoob, i think. ;)
[14:58] <UbuNoob> I found that the hard way :\
[14:59] <ActionParsnip> uroyanme: windows can't read ext4
[14:59] <uroyanme> can it read 2?
[14:59] <ackbahr> Hi! I've got Ubuntu 12.10 and ran "sudo update-manager -d". It offers to install the ALPHA release of 13.04. What should I do?
[14:59] <Bostoman> it's not that linux is very sensitive it's just that some other OS is insensitive ;)
[15:00] <ubuntuaddicted> uroyanme, with a driver windows can read ext3
[15:00] <theadmin> ackbahr: You shouldn't run it with -d
[15:00] <ackbahr> theadmin: Ok, I'll try that.
[15:00] <adelaidePChealth> heya all ;-)
[15:01] <uroyanme> How do I delete lost and found on my 1 terabyte hdrive?
[15:01] <ackbahr> theadmin: Ok, I don't see the alpha warning anymore... Thanks!
[15:02] <theadmin> uroyanme: Uh, you don't, it's an essential part of extfs
[15:02] <ubuntuaddicted> UbuNoob, then sudo usermod -G video david plex
[15:02] <uroyanme> theadmin: Thank you.
[15:02] <uroyanme> You guys are great!
[15:02] <jrib> ubuntuaddicted, UbuNoob: do not run that usermod command
[15:02] <genii-around> ubuntuaddicted: If you do that without -a  then "video" will be the *ONLY* group they belong to
[15:03] <genii-around> ubuntuaddicted:
[15:03] <ubuntuaddicted> UbuNoob, OOPS, sorry, wrong command
[15:03] <Vampir3> hi, i install ubuntu 13.04 alongside win 7, install cmplete and i restart the system, but still only boot win 7
[15:03] <UbuNoob> ok.. I havent
[15:03] <Bostoman> Vampir3,  did you configure grub correclty?
[15:04] <ubuntuaddicted> UbuNoob, once you have your video group created, you could use the users and group GUI.
[15:04] <ubuntuaddicted> UbuNoob, but in order for changes to take effect, you'll have to log out and log back in
[15:04] <Vampir3> where??? not option for do that
[15:05] <Bostoman> hmm did you upgrade or did a fresh install?
[15:05] <UbuNoob> so.. create a GUI group?
[15:05] <Vampir3> fresh install
[15:06] <ubuntuaddicted> UbuNoob, no, i didn't say that. did you create the video group yet?
[15:06] <Vampir3> 2 gig for swap, 30 for / and 40 for /home
[15:06] <ubuntuaddicted> UbuNoob, GUI stands for Graphical User Interface.
[15:06] <Vampir3> i tried to reinstall but still same problem
[15:07] <Bostoman> yes but the problem is that your MBR of the disk you boot from only knows about windows probably
[15:07] <Random_> Greetings.
[15:07] <Bostoman> if I'm not mistaken the installer should ask you if you want to use grub
[15:07] <Vampir3> only for knowing, i have not problem with dualboot openSUSE
[15:07] <nugroho> WHA420355-SOC155694-YMH297433-WHA800477-JPL749250-APB800779
[15:08] <Vampir3> no, not askin anything
[15:08] <UbuNoob> ah .. ok .. I tried to groudadd video but, group 'video' already exists
[15:08] <Bostoman> hmmm
[15:09] <ubuntuaddicted> UbuNoob, i was merely stating that after you do sudo groupadd video
[15:09] <brian__> Hi All. I just installed 13.04. I live in China but am not Chinese. My language settings are for English, yet my 'back' and 'next' buttons for UbuntuOne are in Chinese. How can I fix this?
[15:10] <codephobic> other than cifs-utils, what else needs to be installed before you can mount windows folders in ubuntu 13.04? I think my fstab is 100% correct - it's now a direct copy of the one that is working in ubuntu 12.10
[15:10] <ubuntuaddicted> UbuNoob, that's what I thought, you could just open the GUI within system settings called Users and Groups, then modify the video group so it includes david and plex
[15:10] <uroyanme> Using my terminal, how do I get into my external hdrive?
[15:10] <Vampir3> how can in install grub manually?
[15:11] <ubuntuaddicted> uroyanme, is it mounted?
[15:11] <ubuntuaddicted> uroyanme, using mount you can see if it is and where
[15:11] <subthalamus> it is possible there are some bad hdparm settings in my startup files somewhere, how can I find them?
[15:11] <uroyanme> its mounted
[15:12] <ubuntuaddicted> uroyanme, so what do you mean by "get into it"
[15:12] <UbuNoob> Oh.. Ive got you but I can only see User accounts in all Settings User Accounts.. I dont see a way to add a user to a group
[15:12] <ubuntuaddicted> UbuNoob, you still with me?
[15:12] <uroyanme> not click into it, but terminal into it
[15:12] <uroyanme> /dev/sdf1 on /media/Terabyte 1 type ext4 (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=udisks)
[15:12] <uroyanme> is that it?
[15:12] <ubuntuaddicted> UbuNoob, at the bottom, manage groups
[15:13] <ubuntuaddicted> uroyanme, i don't know, is your external drive 1TB?
[15:13] <uroyanme> I wish to shred a file.
[15:13] <uroyanme> yes
[15:13] <Bostoman> Vampir3 with a linux live cd you can do it, there's also a project called grub4dos
[15:13] <ubuntuaddicted> uroyanme, ok, whats the file name?
[15:13] <Bostoman> they claim they can do it from windows... :D
[15:14] <uroyanme> lol. dont ask why. kali-linux-1.0.2-i386.torrent
[15:14] <ubuntuaddicted> subthalamus, sudo hdparm -i
[15:14] <UbuNoob> I dont see manage groups/// Backup, Details, Landscape Service, Softwatre and updates, Date & Time, Universwal Access and User Accounts
[15:14] <Vampir3> :D why the reason of this problem? i cant really understand!
[15:14] <carif> is the Compiz Setting Manager deprecated for changing Unity settings? Should I use gconftool-2 or gconf-editor?
[15:14] <ubuntuaddicted> subthalamus, and then the device name
[15:14] <uroyanme> no such file or directory
[15:15] <UbuNoob> that was the last row of System Settings
[15:15] <subthalamus> ubuntuaddicted: my question was how to find possibly erroneous hdparm options/parameters in startup files
[15:15] <subthalamus> ubuntuaddicted: the reason for the question is in fact because of an error thrown when the command hdparm -i is run
[15:15] <ubuntuaddicted> subthalamus, oh, not sure if any hdparm options are set automagically
[15:18] <ubuntuaddicted> UbuNoob, you still with me?
[15:19] <uroyanme> Ubuntuaddicted: How do I access my external hardrive using Terminal? sry
[15:19] <uroyanme> cd... cat?
[15:19] <mjbshaw> I'm having a weird issue with Ubuntu 13.04. If I "sudo shutdown -r now" from an ssh session, it fails to boot unless I have a keyboard plugged into the physical device... I'm puzzled. Any clues from anyone?
[15:19] <UbuNoob> Im here ... I dont see manage groups only Backup, Details, Landscape Service, Softwatre and updates, Date & Time, Universwal Access and User Accounts
[15:19] <DogLover> Would a 32-bit version run faster on a 64-bit machine than the 64-bit version?
[15:19] <llutz> DogLover: no
[15:20] <nibbler_> in very rare cases it might ;-)
[15:20] <uroyanme> Ubuntuaddicted: I figured it out =/
[15:20] <ubuntuaddicted> uroyanme, cd /path/
[15:20] <ubuntuaddicted> uroyanme, ls to show all the contents of that directory
[15:20] <DogLover> Ok. Just wondering. the download page says that if the PC has a Win8 logo on it to use the 64-bit. It also says the 64-bit is for newer machines. My machine is about 5 years old or more.
[15:20] <uroyanme> ubuntuaddicted: Yea I was trying to find the path
[15:20] <uroyanme> I understand ls, I am a newb, sory. it was /media
[15:21] <uroyanme> Awesome you. Thanks gusy
[15:21] <tyrog> DogLover: You probably need the 32bit version
[15:21] <zvacet> DogLover: if you don´t have win8 install 32 bit version
[15:21] <llutz> DogLover: if your CPU supports 64bit, go for 64bit. (no idea what the win8-logo has to do with it)
[15:22] <DogLover> ok. how can I find out what the CPU supports in Ubuntu?
[15:22] <tyrog> llutz: The win8 logo has to do with secureboot, not the number of bits your processor supports
[15:22] <zvacet> llutz: I think it is about uefi or secure boot
[15:22] <tyrog> all processors nowadays support 64bits
[15:22] <zvacet> DogLover: how much ram do you have?
[15:23] <tyrog> DogLover: what is your processor?
[15:23] <DogLover> 2.9
[15:23] <krabador> hi, why with ATI Radeon HD 2350 and 13.04 with fglrx-updates i've only the wallpaper????
[15:23] <ubuntuaddicted> DogLover, cat /proc/cpuinfo
[15:23] <purplerain> this is silly question, but where can i find the alternate cd for raring?
[15:23] <DogLover> I have a Intel® Celeron(R) CPU 420 @ 1.60GHz
[15:23] <llutz> purplerain: you can't, it was dropped with 12.10 afaik
[15:23] <tyrog> krabador: afaik fglrx doesn't support cards older than hd5x series
[15:23] <DJones> purplerain: It doesn't exist anymore, you have to use either the desktop or the minimal iso's
[15:23] <zvacet> krabado: I don´t think that gpu is supported
[15:24] <zvacet> krabador: use radeon driver
[15:24] <tyrog> DogLover: How much RAM?
[15:24] <krabador> zvacet, how can i come back?
[15:24] <zvacet> DogLover: install 32 bit version
[15:24] <brian__>  Hi All. I just installed 13.04. I live in China but am not Chinese. My language settings are for English, yet my 'back' and 'next' buttons for UbuntuOne are in Chinese. How can I fix this?
[15:24] <DogLover> 2.9GB RAM
[15:24] <zvacet> krabador: downgrade?
[15:25] <m4gnus> Does anyone know if it's still possible to upgrade to the next version in command line?
[15:25] <purplerain> llutz: ugh ok. but then how do i install raring in an encrypted hdd? theres no options to mount the drive in regular cd.
[15:25] <tyrog> DogLover: You can install either 32 or 64 bits
[15:25] <tyrog> ubuntu
[15:25] <llutz> purplerain: doesnt the desktop-cd have a boot-menu option for that? sry idk
[15:26] <theadmin> m4gnus: sudo do-release-upgrade
[15:26] <theadmin> m4gnus: (provided by update-manager-core)
[15:26] <DogLover> My current version is 64-bit. I am wondering would a 32-bit be faster cause 64 is kinda slow.
[15:26] <krabador> zvacet, yes, i would reuse radeon,
[15:26] <krabador> zvacet, i installed fglrx-updates
[15:26] <tyrog> DogLover: What is your current OS?
[15:26] <krabador> zvacet, and now i would come back
[15:26] <Vampir3> not any solution except reainstall grub?
[15:26] <krabador> zvacet, ubuntu 13.04
[15:27] <zvacet> krabador: and they  don´t work?
[15:27] <m4gnus> theadmin, thank you
[15:27] <ubuntuaddicted> UbuNoob, you still there?
[15:27] <m4gnus> theadmin: Apparently I have no new release
[15:27] <DogLover> I installed Ubuntu 12.04 originally. For some reason I added kubuntu. And then yesterday I upgraded to 13.04.
[15:27] <UbuNoob> I dont see manage groups only Backup, Details, Landscape Service, Softwatre and updates, Date & Time, Universwal Access and User Accounts
[15:27] <krabador> zvacet, only wallpaper
[15:27] <ubuntuaddicted> DogLover, if anything, get rid of unity and go with xubuntu or another window manager
[15:27] <theadmin> m4gnus: Eh, what version are you on and what do you want to upgrade to?
[15:27] <krabador> zvacet, how can i reinstall open drivers?
[15:27] <m4gnus> 12.10 to 13.04
[15:28] <DogLover> I already tried kubuntu and it was no faster, probablt a bit slower.
[15:28] <purplerain> llutz: idk either
[15:28] <theadmin> m4gnus: Hm... Verify that Prompt=normal in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[15:28] <m4gnus> theadmin: $ lsb_release -a
[15:28] <m4gnus>  Release:        12.10
[15:28] <tyrog> DogLover: I recommend Xubuntu 13.04 32-bit for your machine
[15:28] <zero_coder> hello
[15:29] <DogLover> I hope xubuntu is faster than Kubuntu was.
[15:29] <m4gnus> theadmin: cool! thank you!
 ar eyou geting my responses?
[15:29] <yeats> m4gnus: you could try 'sudo do-release-upgrade'
[15:29] <tyrog> krabador: You have 2 options. Use the radeon driver that is supplied by default with ubuntu, or install fglrx legacy from the PPA
[15:29] <purplerain> the only option from the live cd is to create new encrypted drive, and thats by deleting exisiting data on the drive :/
[15:29] <tyrog> DogLover: definitely, no question on that :)
[15:29] <krabador> tyrog, i would reuse the radeon driver
[15:29] <zero_coder> i have been trying to install ubuntu along side windows. SO i used gparted and resized windows 8 partition . Now i can't use windows anymore :)
[15:29] <DogLover> Ok I will look into it. Thanks!
[15:29] <zero_coder> what should I do
[15:29] <zero_coder> ??
[15:29] <krabador> tyrog, i haven't xorg.conf to delete
[15:30] <yeats> zero_coder: you can usually fix that with the Windows install/repair disc (but that is a non-ubuntu topic)
[15:30] <tyrog> krabador: Go to your "Software Sources" and "Additional drivers" tab, select the option for Opensource Radeon driver
[15:30] <User_007> Hello, i got some problems with my sd card reader
[15:30] <zero_coder> yeats : people at windows are lame . I dont use windows . its for my roomies laptop
[15:30] <User_007> (raring amd64)
[15:31] <tyrog> DogLover: How did 12.04 lts with unity ran for you?
[15:31] <zero_coder> yeats : its not working  . I tried
[15:31] <yeats> zero_coder: sorry - that's all I've got :-/
[15:31] <ubuntuaddicted> UbuNoob, there haven't been any
[15:31] <m4gnus> theadmin: for my notes, you wouldn't happen to know why that entry in
[15:31] <m4gnus> /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades was set to never would you?
[15:31] <User_007> Hello, i got some problems with my sd card reader (raring amd64). It doesn't mount the device /dev/mmcX
[15:31] <theadmin> m4gnus: I have no idea, it's your system not mine
[15:32] <krabador> tyrog, i only want to come bacj
[15:32] <krabador> tyrog, i only want to come back
[15:32] <UbuNoob> ubuntuaddicted    I dont see manage groups only Backup, Details, Landscape Service, Softwatre and updates, Date & Time, Universwal Access and User Accounts
[15:33] <tyrog> krabador: come back to what?
[15:33] <ubuntuaddicted> UbuNoob, hmm, what version of ubuntu are you using?
[15:33] <krabador> tyrog, come back to mesa
[15:33] <UbuNoob> 12.10
[15:33] <tyrog> krabador: Do as I said then
[15:33] <ubuntuaddicted> UbuNoob, you don't have a "Users and Groups" within system?
[15:34] <krabador> tyrog, default drivers
[15:34] <m4gnus> theadmin: true. thank you again.
[15:34] <UbuNoob> no.. only User accounts
[15:34] <ubuntuaddicted> UbuNoob, oh, i am on 12.04. they must have gotten rid of that in 12.10
[15:35] <ubuntuaddicted> UbuNoob, ok, install gnome-system-tools
[15:35] <tyrog> krabador: Are you with unity?
[15:35] <barneygale> Hey. How do I change my login session in ubuntu 13.04?
[15:35] <WolfeZ> Who can help me with pygtk?
[15:36] <Rand0m> Hai.
[15:36] <theadmin> barneygale: Click the Ubuntu logo near the username and choose whichever you want
[15:36] <Pessimist> How to fix the boot splash under nvidia-304 drivers?
[15:36] <barneygale> theadmin: I don't see an ubuntu logo near my username
[15:36] <theadmin> barneygale: Click the username, then. %)
[15:36] <barneygale> clicking the username does nothing.
[15:36] <tyrog> Pessimist: use the startup manager
[15:36] <theadmin> barneygale: On the login screen, that is
[15:36] <barneygale> aye.
[15:36] <theadmin> Hms.
[15:36] <ubuntuaddicted> UbuNoob, here's the guide http://handytutorial.com/manage-users-and-groups-in-ubuntu-12-10-12-04/
[15:37] <theadmin> barneygale: I suppose you only have one session available
[15:37] <Pici> WolfeZ: programming with it? If so, use #python
[15:37] <UbuNoob> It ran but I still only see Users.. I wonder if I need to reboot
[15:37] <barneygale> theadmin: ah how weird, I thought it'd at least package unity-2d
[15:37] <Pessimist> tyrog, what's the command? My Ubuntu isn't in English
[15:38] <UbuNoob> AH.. there it is .. I didnt use dash
[15:38] <User_007> Hello, i got some problems with my sd card reader (raring amd64). It doesn't mount the device /dev/mmcX. Can you please help me?   dmesg returns "mmc0: error -110 whilst initialising SD card"
[15:39] <ActionParsnip> User_007: when you last ejected it, did you use the safe remove option in your OS
[15:39] <ActionParsnip> User_007: what file system do you use in the device?
[15:39] <zvacet> krabador:  did you install fglrx from Software Sources" > "Additional drivers
[15:40] <User_007> ActionParsnip,  yes. ext3/4 (really don't remember). It used to work fine with 12.10
[15:40] <ubuntuaddicted> UbuNoob, did you follow this? http://handytutorial.com/manage-users-and-groups-in-ubuntu-12-10-12-04/
[15:40] <krabador> zvacet, not, apt-get install fglrx-updates
[15:40] <ubuntuaddicted> UbuNoob, also, i don't see your responses IF you don't put my name first. you can start to type a name and use tab to have it auto-complete
[15:40] <ActionParsnip> User_007: have you fsck'd it?
[15:40] <zvacet> krabador: see if ypi can see it on Software Sources" > "Additional drivers
[15:40] <zvacet> *you
[15:41] <krabador> zvacet, not
[15:41] <User_007> ActionParsnip,  it doesn't appear on /dev.
[15:41] <i4c> hello does anyone know of a fullscreen, selectable rectangular region magnifier for linux
[15:41] <ActionParsnip> User_007: if you run:  sudo fdisk -l    do you see the device and/or the partition?
[15:41] <barneygale> I need help selecting a desktop session - I don't see any way of doing it from the login screen. Clicking my username does nothing. Screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/OnGgJqk.jpg
[15:41] <ActionParsnip> i4c: mag
[15:41] <krabador> zvacet, but the fglrx-updates, it's the 13.1 ati
[15:41] <Kuwanger> Is there any way to make a log of all exec syscalls that occur?
[15:41] <krabador> zvacet, that's compatible with the board
[15:41] <ActionParsnip> i4c: or it may be xmag
[15:41] <User_007> ActionParsnip, nope. it is not in /dev either
[15:41] <ActionParsnip> !info xmag
[15:41] <UbuNoob> ubuntuaddicted wow.. there are a boatload of Groups here... So.. USing this tool, I need to add my users to the video group, And give the video group permissions to read write and execute to the /media/zam/Media1 folder... right?
[15:42] <User_007> ActionParsnip, it used to mount in /dev/mmc0
[15:42] <ubuntuaddicted> UbuNoob, you don;'t need to make it executable but you have the right idea.
[15:42] <i4c> ActionParsnip: it isn't fullscreen nor dynamic :/
[15:42] <zvacet> krabador: it is not about board it is about graphic card ati doesn´t support it any more
[15:43] <ubuntuaddicted> UbuNoob, change the group of that folder to video, and have group permissions be read/write
[15:43] <ActionParsnip> i4c: if you use Compiz, I believe it has that feature
[15:43] <ubuntuaddicted> UbuNoob, and make sure users david and plex are in the video group
[15:43] <zvacet> krabador: do you have synaptic installed?
[15:43] <ubuntuaddicted> UbuNoob, after you add those users to that group, you'll have to log out and back in again for the group changes to take effect i think
[15:43] <ubuntuaddicted> UbuNoob, i have to run, im sure you got it from here
[15:43] <ActionParsnip> User_007: does windows see a partition on it (if you have windows available)
[15:43] <UbuNoob> ubuntuaddicted I think Im creal close.. How can I undo the golbal 777 thing I did earlier
[15:43] <krabador> zvacet, i only have the terminal working
[15:43] <i4c> thx ActionParsnip i will try
[15:44] <tyrog> krabador: sudo apt-get purge fglrx*
[15:44] <tyrog> then reboot and voila
[15:44] <User_007> ActionParsnip, probably. Ubuntu yesterday did
[15:44] <UbuNoob> ubuntuaddicted .. THank you so much for staying with me and for your help..
[15:45] <ubuntuaddicted> UbuNoob, you don't have to undo it, just sudo chmod -R 0760 /media/foldername
[15:45] <zerick> HI! Anybody knows a plugin or a way to get sound alerts for specific senders, or content (headers of  mail maybe) ? I use  mailboxalert for Thunderbird but is not enough !
[15:45] <UbuNoob> ah.. Ok
[15:45] <ubuntuaddicted> UbuNoob, here's a chmod calculator: http://www.onlineconversion.com/html_chmod_calculator.htm
[15:45] <User_007> ActionParsnip, the card is fine. Just opened it from another computer
[15:45] <ubuntuaddicted> UbuNoob, just a suggestion but i chown everything in my /media/folders to my username instead of root but that's just me
[15:46] <User_007> ActionParsnip, any idea about changes on linux kernel?
[15:46] <barneygale> Is Unity2D pre-installed on 13.04?
[15:46] <tyrog> barneygale: no
[15:46] <ubuntuaddicted> UbuNoob, got it? i have to go
[15:46] <UbuNoob> ubuntuaddicted  .. THANK you so much!!!
[15:46] <tyrog> Unity 2D was dropped since 12.10, latest release to have it is 12.04
[15:47] <ubuntuaddicted> UbuNoob, no problem, that's what we're here for
[15:47] <UbuNoob> enjoy your weekend
[15:47] <ubuntuaddicted> UbuNoob, U2
[15:48] <barneygale> tyrog: how do I install it?
[15:48] <zvacet> krabador: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI  under Installing via the command line
[15:48] <DogLover> == tyrog 12.04 lts with unity was just as slow as 13.04 is.
[15:48] <HuKo> go /Server irc.underunix.net
[15:49] <zvacet> krabador: you have instructions how to remove fglrx from terminal
[15:49] <deadweasel> how do I get 12.04 x64 to play nice with two pci-e AMD video cards?
[15:50] <krabador> zvacet, i removed it
[15:50] <tyrog> barneygale: You cant install it in 12.10 or further releases
[15:50] <krabador> zvacet, but now i'm not using mesa
[15:51] <mikebot> Is there a channel for privacy-related things (like vpns)?
[15:52] <tyrog> krabador: If you remove fglrx and reboot, Ubuntu should fallback to Mesa
[15:53] <ActionParsnip> User_007: not sure, maybe its a bug
[15:53] <g105b_> Hey everyone, you're all awesome!
[15:54] <ActionParsnip> g105b_: thanks
[15:55] <g105b_> ActionParsnip: you in particular, seeing as you helped me out a lot earlier.
[15:55] <g105b_> Just got set up full and I'm very grateful to everyone here
[15:55] <ActionParsnip> g105b_: i try, its a community thing though :)
[15:56] <g105b_> Very happy with 13.04's capability with ATI drivers
[15:57] <zvacet> krabador k:lspci -nnk | grep -iA3 vga to see witch driver you use
[15:58] <drsmith> So, I'm having issues installing games from Steam for Linux onto my Windows partition: http://i.imgur.com/EwHzGuU.png (I dual-boot, and the Windows side has more space because reasons.)
[15:58] <tyrog> drsmith: You should never try to install anything from Linux in an NTFS partition
[15:58] <tyrog> therefore your problems
[15:59] <tyrog> so the best thing to do is resize your windows partition, giving more space to Ubuntu's
[15:59] <drsmith> Worked before I upgrading to 13.04. The changes I made to my fstab file via pysdm seemed to have been undone in the upgrade, though.
[15:59] <HuKo> Go /Server irc.underunix.net
[16:00] <aneks> hey guys, I have a hard drive where I store my data etc. I can access it and I have permissions to obviously create files etc. but every time I try to download a torrent and save it to that drive, it comes up with an error message permission denied.
[16:01] <zero_coder> hey, how to make a bootable usb from a CD in ubuntu?
[16:01] <ActionParsnip> aneks: does the user launching the process have write access to the partition too?
[16:01] <BlueEagle> zero_coder: Google pendrive linux
[16:01] <tyrog> zero_coder: use the Startup Creator
[16:01] <Novimundus> #join java
[16:01] <Novimundus> whoops
[16:02] <ActionParsnip> zero_coder: once you boot the CD you can make the live USB there if you want
[16:02] <aneks> ActionParsnip, I'm guessing you mean if the torrent software has access to write to the partition?
[16:02] <BlueEagle> zero_coder: Yeah, what ActionParsnip sais makes more sense if you have the ISO burned already to a CD. :)
[16:03] <zero_coder> but , laptop hasn't a CD drive
[16:03] <ActionParsnip> aneks: no, the access is dictated by the user running the app, that;s why you need to use gksudo to run nautilus to get access to things your user doesn't have access to
[16:03] <ActionParsnip> aneks: the process will run as root and you will get the access
[16:03] <pirep> ciao raga
[16:04] <ActionParsnip> aneks: the process itself is just a process, it's access is dictated by the user executing it
[16:04] <pirep> !listù
[16:04] <zero_coder> diskpart is not working
[16:04] <pirep> !list
[16:05] <aneks> ActionParsnip, the process is not being run by root, it's run by me.
[16:06] <ActionParsnip> aneks: then does your user have write access to the location?
[16:06] <Eit8> anyone can help me with compiz/unity issues ? I can't get them to work, enabling window decorations on ccsm doesn't add headers
[16:06] <ActionParsnip> Eit8: ask in #compiz too
[16:07] <Quix86> some chump in here told me the other day that I should try KDE
[16:07] <Quix86> and I did, and it was awful
[16:07] <Eit8> ActionParsnip: I'm having issue after 13.04 udpgrade by the way
[16:07] <aneks> ActionParsnip, this is what the partition looks like when I run ls -l drwx------ 1 igor igor 24576 Apr 27 01:54 New Volume
[16:07] <ActionParsnip> aneks: if you close transmission, then rename the config folder for it (in ~/.config) then restart it to get default configs, does it work ok?
[16:07] <ActionParsnip> Quix86: no bad thing to try new stuff
[16:08] <Quix86> ActionParsnip, trying new things is alright but sometimes you try something that is horrible
[16:08] <zvacet> zero_coder: what os do you have installed?
[16:08] <ActionParsnip> Quix86: you can't get gold everytime dude
[16:08] <aneks> ActionParsnip, I'm running Qbittorrent
[16:08] <ActionParsnip> !away > fought_away
[16:09] <Quix86> I think I'm just gonna stick with XFCE.
[16:09] <Ubuntu-Lover> Hey all having a small issue with ubuntu 12.04 desktop 64bit on my home server i need to share my wifi connection with my ethernet connection i have read a few guides and "i think" set it all up right but still not working :/
[16:09] <ActionParsnip> aneks: then I'd check the config etc make sure it's all ok
[16:09] <ActionParsnip> !ics | Ubuntu-Lover
[16:09] <Ubuntu-Lover> I read that before
[16:09] <Ubuntu-Lover> no luck :/
[16:10] <Ubuntu-Lover> and thats also for making a wifi connection so quite the oposite although the guide for the older stuff cleared some of it up but still no luck
[16:11] <Ubuntu-Lover> anyone?
[16:12] <ActionParsnip> Ubuntu-Lover: doesn't firestarter give a GUI to making that happen?
[16:12] <Quix86> I'm so glad I blocked the copypaste bot
[16:12] <ActionParsnip> Ubuntu-Lover: have you checked videos on YouTube etc?
[16:12] <Ubuntu-Lover> yes
[16:12] <Ubuntu-Lover> OHWAIT
[16:12] <Ubuntu-Lover> it working :3
[16:13] <Ubuntu-Lover> had to check that it requires dhcp something
[16:13] <ActionParsnip> Ubuntu-Lover: cool
[16:13] <Ubuntu-Lover> and firestarter?
[16:13] <ActionParsnip> Ubuntu-Lover: if its working, no need to touch it
[16:13] <Ubuntu-Lover> thank you for the help although i fixed it myself but thanks for trying :D
[16:13] <Ubuntu-Lover> oh 1 more thing
[16:13] <ActionParsnip> Ubuntu-Lover: you got the goal, that's all we need
[16:13] <tapas> hmm, upgrading phpmyadmin failed miserably
[16:14] <tapas> correct password not accepted
[16:14] <tapas> ts ts ts
[16:14] <Pici> tapas: For the 13.04 upgrade?
[16:14] <tapas> Pici: yeah..
[16:14] <LtHummus> is the 12.10 -> 13.04 upgrade path stable for ubuntu server?
[16:14] <tapas> i skipped it now..
[16:14] <Pici> tapas: Did you go through the migration procedure that came  up during the upgrade process?
[16:14] <Ubuntu-Lover> i installed ubuntu on my server because its great with drivers and my server is OLD and unfortunatly i cant actually get any drivers for it anyways :( just wondering if there are any driver finding tools available on ubuntu im sure you will say goto manafacture but its a "SUN" fire v20z i.e. not about anymore
[16:14] <tapas> Pici: yeah, there were some GTK dialogs that asked for the administrative db user password
[16:14] <SonikkuAmerica> LtHummus: I see no reason why it shouldn't be.
[16:15] <Eit8> is ther any chance I can install from scratches unity, it got totally screwed after 13.04
[16:15] <Pici> tapas: Thats the password for the database, not for your admin user.
[16:15] <Ubuntu-Lover> sun is now orcial :(
[16:15] <LtHummus> SonikkuAmerica: i've had some bad luck with previous ugrades, but that was a while ago (around the 8.xx times) so I'm hoping upgrades are more stable and less risky
[16:15] <LtHummus> :)
[16:15] <tapas> Pici: that's what i entered.. i checked with the mnysql commandline client
[16:16] <Pici> tapas: weird, it worked for me, albeit from an ssh session.
[16:16] <tapas> Pici: yeah.. i can configure it lateron, or maybe just reinstall from a usb stick..
[16:16] <tapas> Pici: i have all my data and home etc. backup'ed anyways
[16:16] <me-1> hi...I am looking for a tool to customize my unity DE
[16:16] <Sp3ctr4L> :D
[16:16] <tapas> me-1: the tool is apt.. and it goes like this: sudo apt-get install kde ;D
[16:17] <theadmin> me-1: MyUnity offers a decent amount of customization
[16:17] <SonikkuAmerica> LtHummus: There's always some sort of risk involved with any update; why should this be different?
[16:17] <ravyn> http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19121-01/sf.v20z/
[16:17] <tapas> scnr
[16:17] <Eit8> exit
[16:17] <ravyn> Ubuntu-Lover: that has a lot of documentation on your server
[16:17] <lotuspsychje> !info myunity > lotuspsychje
[16:17] <SonikkuAmerica> tapas, me-1: Why not [ sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ]?
[16:17] <me-1> tapas,  I like unity
[16:17] <LtHummus> SonikkuAmerica: not sure why it would be different...that's why I'm asking :)
[16:18] <SonikkuAmerica> !update
[16:18] <chro> how do I remove the cloud icon on the unity top bar?
[16:18] <Myrtti> tapas: "when helping, be helpful." if they've chosen to try to do something with Unity, the first step shouldn't be telling them to get another one.
[16:18] <Eit8> LtHummus: my experience is that this is my last upgrade of ubuntu
[16:18] <ravyn> chro: you can uninstall ubuntu One
[16:19] <SonikkuAmerica> Myrtti: You should stick around when people tell me "Get Xubuntu and shut up" when I have Unity problems. :)
[16:19] <Myrtti> SonikkuAmerica: sadly I can't be omniscient
[16:19] <SonikkuAmerica> Myrtti: Aren't we all human.
[16:19] <cristina> slart are you on?
[16:19] <chro> ravyn, I don't want to do that, I just want to get rid of the icon on the top bar
[16:20] <avrelaun> Hi guys, after upgrading a 12.10 with gnome-shell to 13.04, the default wallpaper is replaced by grey. I tried replacing it in the settings, but nothing works. Any idea?
[16:20] <Eit8> it's like 2 days I'm trying to sort those unity problems and ppl keep telling me "go for fresh install" no wonder ppl are thinking about xubuntu
[16:20] <SonikkuAmerica> avrelaun: My guess is that metacity is still involved somehow... (By the way, why not try Ubuntu GNOME?)
[16:21] <avrelaun> SonikkuAmerica: To avoid fresh install...
[16:21] <SonikkuAmerica> avrelaun: Then possible [ sudo apt-get install ubuntu-gnome-desktop ]
[16:21] <SonikkuAmerica> *possibly
[16:21] <SonikkuAmerica> avrelaun: But first,...
[16:21] <chro> why weather indicator is not working anymore on 13.04?
[16:22] <SonikkuAmerica> !info indicator-weather
[16:22] <SonikkuAmerica> chro: That's why ^
[16:22] <SonikkuAmerica> chro: It's miserably deppede
[16:22] <SonikkuAmerica> *depped
[16:23] <chro> SonikkuAmerica, why did they remove it?
[16:23] <Pici> chro: Because the weather service that it depended on (run by yahoo) was discontinued. There is no replacement yet.
[16:23] <chro> Pici, it can also work with the google weather
[16:23] <Pici> chro: See https://bugs.launchpad.net/weather-indicator/+bug/1162485
[16:24] <Pici> chro: You may also want to see this mailing list thread: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2013-April/037042.html
[16:24] <avrelaun> SonikkuAmerica: By the way, Ubuntu GNOME is just another flavor of Ubuntu, too much for my taste
[16:24] <avrelaun> SonikkuAmerica: Fedora
[16:24] <avrelaun> SonikkuAmerica: Fedora's more consistent
[16:25] <ActionParsnip> chro: there may be a PPA....doubt it
[16:25] <SonikkuAmerica> SonikkuAmerica: Possibly; being a DEB fan I never tried the Fedora
[16:25] <SonikkuAmerica> avrelaun: ^ That,.
[16:25] <avrelaun> SonikkuAmerica: Why deb > rpm ?
[16:26] <ideas-hub> hallo
[16:26] <Sp3ctr4L> alive here ?
[16:26] <SonikkuAmerica> avrelaun: I might discuss that in #ubuntu-offtopic, in front of the Gentoo users.
[16:26] <SonikkuAmerica> Sp3ctr4L: Oh believe me, we're all alive in her.e
[16:26] <SonikkuAmerica> *here.
[16:26] <Sp3ctr4L> hahahha
[16:26] <ideas-hub> i need help hosting a game on spring lobby
[16:26] <ideas-hub> can anyone help
[16:26] <p0wn3d> Anyone thinking about going to 13.04? save yourself a few hours and stick with 12.04.  13.04 is not done yet :)
[16:26] <tapas> ok, it seems kde lost its monitor setup settings in the upgrade.. or they moved somewhere else..
[16:26] <Pici> p0wn3d: 13.04 is done and released.
[16:26] <tapas> hmm
[16:27] <mzaza> Are ther issues with Ubuntu 13.04, like extremly slow login and nautlius is very sluggish??
[16:27] <mzaza> p0wn3d: I agree
[16:27] <Sp3ctr4L> which Distro do you have Snokku :D
[16:27] <ideas-hub> HALLO
[16:27] <Pici> !tab | Sp3ctr4L
[16:27] <ideas-hub> IS ANYONE GONNA HELP
[16:27] <Pici> ideas-hub: I have no idea what you are asking. What is Spring? What does it have to do with Ubuntu?
[16:27] <tapas> ideas-hub: the way to get an answer to a question is to ask the concrete question.. also what Pici  said
[16:28] <avrelaun> Thanks SonikkuAmerica, apt-get install ubuntu-gnome-desktop solved it.
[16:28] <ideas-hub> im trying to connect springlobby to my local host
[16:28] <ideas-hub> so i can host a network game
[16:28] <ideas-hub> network not internet
[16:28] <tapas> what is springlobby? is it an ubutu package?
[16:28] <Pici> !details | ideas-hub
[16:28] <ideas-hub> its a game engine
[16:28] <tapas> oh yeah, it is
[16:28] <Sp3ctr4L> ubottu why ?
[16:29] <homerj> is there anything to know before just doing an upgrade to 13.04? a doc out there to read or something?
[16:29] <alien2050> Hey guys, simple question, anyone knows how to write a script (in bash) that will write a script (in bash) again? Everytime I use cat > file <<EOF, my bash variables are removed and replaced by their values for some reason in 'file'... maybe there's a better way? like echo but for some reason echo doesn't take multiple lines unless I'm mistaken.... also tried escaping the variables, but it sucks because I need to modify my shell script 
[16:29] <ideas-hub> REALLY
[16:29] <Pici> Sp3ctr4L: because our clients won't hilight your messages if you mispell our nicks.
[16:29] <Pici> alien2050: Thats probably a better question for the gurus in #bash
[16:29] <Sp3ctr4L> ok it's my bad, I'll change it
[16:31] <wilee-nilee> homerj, Are you backed up?
[16:31] <homerj> yeah
[16:32] <artt> now are we good -4-
[16:32] <homerj> wilee-nilee, I'm always iffy on in-place upgrades vs. a new reinstall
[16:32] <wilee-nilee> homerj, Cool, personally I would wait a little while, the servers may be running many right now, and there is a higher chance of a fail, but that is a personal opinion. ;)
[16:32] <uroyanme> My dads computer is from 2000, has xp on it. Its a dell. I can;'t call him right now and find out any more specifics.... Could I should have made a boot cd, not a boot dvd.. Cause when I was there ubuntu did not work.
[16:32] <uroyanme> I mean it didnt install... didnt recognize the dvd
[16:33] <homerj> yeah, let everyone else test this for a bit
[16:33] <uroyanme> Don't think it even tried.
[16:34] <wilee-nilee> homerj, Personally I always fresh install, but I have system that gets me all apps installed that I had faster then a upgrade.
[16:34] <siovene> Hi. I just upgraded to 13.04 on my Lenovo X230. There's only one problem: the trackpoint doesn't work anymore. Can anyone help me solve the problem?
[16:34] <homerj> upgrade went ok with a pre-release 13.04 on my laptop, because I wanted pulseaudio 3
[16:34] <homerj> wilee-nilee, that's what I should do
[16:34] <homerj> get a script and add packages I use on it
[16:34] <artt> who has a backtrack OS here ?~
[16:35] <Myrtti> !backtrack | artt
[16:35] <wilee-nilee> homerj, There is a dpkg save installed script you can run in a fresh install, I use some 3rd party repos, so I load thise and the keys and run the script.
[16:36] <wilee-nilee> !backtrack > artt
[16:36] <wilee-nilee> opps sorry Myrtti I see you ran the bot
[16:37] <lotuspsychje> !info kazam > lotuspsychje
[16:39] <wizard_A> my documentviewer in changing its pid frequently.. i'm not able to kill it?? plz help...
[16:39] <tyrog> !mint
[16:40] <alien2050> if anyone is interested , the solution is to put EOF with single quotes, just tested it, it works!
[16:41] <thomas___> alien what does that do you lost me i can't find an earlier reference
[16:42] <dsathe> is there any commandline utiltiy to figure out the mirror currently being used
[16:42] <dsathe> ?
[16:42] <dsathe> cat /etc/apt/sources.list | grep '^deb ' | head -1 | tr " " "\n" | head -2 | tail -1
[16:43] <dsathe> this does it but not the best of ideas
[16:43] <theadmin> dsathe: Eh. cat /etc/apt/sources.list | grep -v '#' | grep -v '^$' | awk '{print $2;}' | head -n 1
[16:43] <theadmin> Well that works too
[16:43] <dsathe> naything neater
[16:44] <dsathe> or where it is tored
[16:44] <wizard_A> my documentviewer in changing its pid frequently.. i'm not able to kill it?? plz help...
[16:44] <llutz>  awk -F/ '{print $3}' /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}
[16:44] <dsathe> nope that doesnt work
[16:44] <kostkon> wizard_A, "pkill documentviewer" if that is the name of the process
[16:44] <dsathe> i coukld head
[16:45] <dsathe> xkill
[16:45] <dsathe> click on it :)
[16:45] <wilee-nilee> !enter > dsathe
[16:45] <wizard_A> nope, prob still exists
[16:46] <drchaos1> How do I sync Unix passwords with Samba passwords?
[16:46] <drchaos1> I want to authenticate as user drchaos with his unix password to mount cifs shares
[16:47] <arttos> ,.user
[16:47] <arttos> .user
[16:47] <wizard_A> dsathe: something did happen for a moment but prob exists
[16:50] <wizard_A> dsathe: thanks problem solved... i was actually clicking on the taskbar icon on the right...
[16:50] <MonkeyDust> in virtualbox, which setting is it to run a6
[16:50] <MonkeyDust> in virtualbox, which setting is it to run a 64bit guest? i dont seem to find it
[16:51] <wizard_A> btw was this normal??
[16:51] <thomas___> wiz are you new to linux?
[16:52] <thomas___> no problem if that is the case, I think I know your question well
[16:52] <iceroot> MonkeyDust: vt-x
[16:53] <MonkeyDust> iceroot  where exactly?
[16:54] <iceroot> MonkeyDust: in the vm settings
[16:55] <wizard_A> not exactly
[16:55] <thomas___> its sounds normal though, in answer to your question wizard
[16:56] <MonkeyDust> iceroot  i don't seem to to find the exact section in the settings
[16:56] <JeremyinNC> chromium-browser crashed while I was at lunch with a message that I don't have enough free memory to evaluate the dump :(
[16:57] <iceroot> MonkeyDust: its enabled by default so there is no need to change something
[16:57] <thomas___> windows 7 apps close on top right, as opposed to 12.04 ubuntu, apps close top left is that what you are referring to wizard?
[16:58] <wizard_A> i tried that, also i tried to kill it using the terminal using kill -9 pid but that was not happening,
[16:58] <bb_> hello? i am going insane trying to get cron to actually do ANYTHING in ubuntu 13.4 ?  help?
[16:59] <wizard_A> once i issued that command and after that ps aux | grep documentviewer would give me a pid two more than the previous one...
[16:59] <bb_> hello cron help? =)
[16:59] <JeremyinNC> bb can you be a little more specific
[16:59] <llutz> !details | bb_
[17:00] <bb_> yes i can.  I use crontab -e to setup a standard entry for automated bash file called "mc" which i have in /usr/local/bin and cron does NOTHING.
[17:00] <bb_> =) ??
[17:00] <llutz> bb_: call your script with full pathes, cron uses limited environment
[17:00] <lotuspsychje> someone knows a gui lightdm conf tweaker?
[17:00] <Pici> bb_: Can you pastebin your crontab?
[17:00] <bb_> i am trying to automate some messages and a backup and a minecraft game restart.
[17:01] <llutz> bb_: also make sure, you don't have midnightcommander installed
[17:01] <nerfball> can this channel be accessed through an irc client? what are the settings?
[17:01] <JeremyinNC> make sure you use full path to everything
[17:01] <JeremyinNC> #ubuntu
[17:01] <JeremyinNC> at freenode.net
[17:01] <bb_> im not familiar with pastebin usage but i did this in the edit     * * * * * mc command say this is a test
[17:02] <bb_> i also tried the path on the mc
[17:02] <thomas___> wizard is it possible you have multiple instances of documentviewer running and are simply closing them one at a time?
[17:02] <llutz> bb_: call your script with full pathes, cron uses limited environment    "* * * * * /usr/local/bin/mc"
[17:02] <bb_> mc is a working bash file
[17:02] <MonkeyDust> bb_  that's every minute of every hour on every day
[17:02] <bb_> yes it is every minute just to get it going.
[17:03] <bb_> once i can schedule ANYTHING that starts on any schedule im good to go with the rest.
[17:03] <MonkeyDust> bb_  meainning: that starts mc every minute of every hour on every day
[17:03] <theadmin> bb_: "mc" is a bad name choice, as there is an Ubuntu package providing a same-name binary. If you have that package installed, you'll be having issues (because mc is interactive)
[17:03] <m4gnus> Does anyone know how to stop having apt-get from trying to look for binary-i386 packages?
[17:03] <JeremyinNC> so is it running "mc" at all? Who are you running the cron job as and who owns the file? Is it executable, does it work if you run it as that user manually?
[17:04] <bb_> i want to have it use that message every minute forever for now.  then i want to change it to be useful after that.
[17:04] <bb_> its not running mc or anything i schedule at all
[17:04] <llutz> bb_: did you test it with full path? did it work?
[17:04] <cristina_> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[17:04] <cristina_> E: _cache->open() failed, please report.
[17:04] <JeremyinNC> First step to me would be change it to /usr/share/bin/mc instead of just mc
[17:04] <bb_> ive researched this a while.  I seem to be setting up the schedule fine but nothing ever starts from it.
[17:05] <JeremyinNC>  bb_: did you test it with full path? did it work?
[17:05] <bb_> full path does not work from the cron
[17:05] <Linuks83> good day all! i'm needing to get a USB 3.0 card. any advice on card or chipset to look at?
[17:05] <wizard_A> that is what i'm actually surprised of!!!!
[17:05] <JeremyinNC> when run manually (not through cron)
[17:05] <bb_> jeremy    yes i tried that
[17:05] <RubyJ> has anyone had issues running a sudo apt-get update after update to raring?
[17:05] <llutz> bb_: then check your mc-script , does it need a terminal?
[17:06] <bb_> jeremy manual works perfectly with or without the path
[17:06] <Artpicre> Hello
[17:06] <nerfball> Hello everyone. I'd like to ask for help with my sound setup. I cant get my desktop to playback in 5.1.
[17:06] <JeremyinNC> is it executeable as the user whos crontab is running it
[17:06] <bb_> llutz  it doesnt need a terminal it can hide if it wants.
[17:06] <nerfball> Ive tried forums searches, but if anyone can provide a link to an article or something?
[17:06] <mkanyicy> what is the command to run  to upgrade quantal to raring?
[17:07] <bb_> jeremy its works for anyone
[17:07] <RubyJ> does anyone know how to fix apt-get update issues in the new build? i feel like it didne set up the repos correctly during updat
[17:07] <bb_> if you just type it in  a terminal
[17:07] <wilee-nilee> mkanyicy, Should be showing in the update manager.
[17:07] <tekonivel> ringtailed cat appreciation week https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring-tailed_cat. Cute little bugger awwww :'-}
[17:07] <wilee-nilee> mkanyicy, Make sure software sources is set for all upgardes
[17:07] <tekonivel> anyone of you seen one?
[17:07] <bb_> its as of cron isnt doing anything but its running and i can   restart cron also and still doesnt
[17:08] <bazhang> !ot | tekonivel
[17:08] <RubyJ> do software sources for apt-get update need t obe updated manually?
[17:08] <RubyJ> *to be
[17:08] <JeremyinNC> sudo do-release-upgrade
[17:08] <JeremyinNC> not the standard Ubuntu repos RubyJ
[17:08] <RubyJ> im already updated
[17:08] <bb_> im still stuck with cron not processing any scheduled items.
[17:08] <tekonivel> bazhang: ok sorry
[17:08] <RubyJ> no new release found
[17:09] <yashh> can ubuntu be installed in android??
[17:09] <bb_> about cron. i read the man pages.  this is a simple desktop 13.4
[17:09] <excervo> hello guys, whats the best ipscanner for ubuntu?
[17:09] <RubyJ> JeremyinNC: After the update from 12.1 to raring im unable to do an apt-get update. I get IP redirects and stuff like that during the execution of the command
[17:09] <JeremyinNC> sudo apt-get install update-manager-core
[17:10] <nerfball> Apologies if Im spamming from a new Ubuntu user if Im spamming the wrong channel. Where is a good place to get help for n00bs?
[17:10] <bb_> anyone know why cron jobs arent running at all? yet the service seems to be there?
[17:10] <RubyJ> nerfball: whatsup?
[17:10] <JeremyinNC> So you already updated?
[17:10] <bb_> jeremy yes i just updated to 13.4 this morning.
[17:10] <JeremyinNC> bb you have to answer questions to get answers
[17:10] <Pici> bb_: Is there an entry in /var/log/auth.log for the event?
[17:10] <bb_> jeremy i have answered every question
[17:11] <RubyJ> anyone know how to update the repos?
[17:11] <RubyJ> for 13.4
[17:11] <thomas___> nerfball, right click sound icon(top right side) choose sound settings from bottom of that menu, go from there, let us know what you find in there
[17:11] <JeremyinNC> if you are at 13.04 you are pointing at the 13.04 repositories
[17:12] <bb_> jeremy im sure i am unless the automatic update fails to update that
[17:12] <JeremyinNC> what does sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get upgrade tell you?
[17:12] <nerfball> msg thomas__ just see the two outputs, digi and analog. I only get stero, no 5.1
[17:12] <Pici> bb_: Is there an entry in /var/log/auth.log for the event?
[17:12] <bb_> jeremy ill try it... brb
[17:12] <JeremyinNC> If so then the whole thing should have failed
[17:13] <JeremyinNC> that was @RubyJ
[17:13] <thomas___> click on that, where it says stereo, can change it to 5.1
[17:13] <RubyJ> JeremyinNC: "E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with —fix-missing"
[17:13] <Heavenstorm> I am planning on creating a transparent proxy for a home network for web filtering on kid's PCs. Is there an anyone who has done this before?
[17:13] <nerfball> msg thomas__  when I do a sound test w/ 5.1 selected, sound comes out of wrong channels or no sound from certain channels.
[17:13] <JeremyinNC> look at squid Heavenstorm
[17:13] <RubyJ> JeremyinNC: and half the time it says Redirect [IP ……] when trying to connect to a repo
[17:14] <thomas___> maybe your connection at back of computer are incorrect?
[17:14] <RubyJ> doesnt seem like it connect to any honestly
[17:14] <RubyJ> nahh
[17:14] <RubyJ> thats verified working
[17:14] <Heavenstorm> okay JeremyinNC I'll do that
[17:14] <JeremyinNC> thats not necessarily a bad thing
[17:14] <bb_> jeremy 0 for all;... upgraded fully
[17:14] <JeremyinNC> RubyJ he was talking about the surround sound
[17:14] <Renzatic> Has anyone else found the Ubuntu Software Center to be a little buggy on 13.04 with Gnome 3.8 installed?
[17:15] <JeremyinNC> bb I was talking to RubyJ for that, I don't think cron has changed much
[17:15] <bazhang> Renzatic, the PPA?
[17:15] <Renzatic> yup
[17:15] <bb_> jeremy ok
[17:15] <Xergo92> Hi
[17:15] <Xergo92> A;
[17:15] <Xergo92> all
[17:15] <bazhang> Renzatic, staging?
[17:15] <Renzatic> staging? explain what you mean, I'm still a bit of a linux noob here
[17:15] <JeremyinNC> Are you specifying the paths to the commands in your "mc" script? cron does not get all of your environment when it runs
[17:15] <Xergo92> i am new to ubuntu is there any replacement of Adobe Photoshop in ubunut
[17:15] <Xergo92> ubuntu*
[17:15] <bazhang> Renzatic, its a known issue, they in fact warn you about that particular ppa
[17:15] <bb_> anyone having problems setting up cron jobs?  I cant seem to get it to run anything from cron
[17:15] <JeremyinNC> gimp
[17:15] <Renzatic> what it's doing is flaking out the shell UI whenever I install an app
[17:16] <Pici> !who | JeremyinNC
[17:16] <bb_> jeremy the mc script specifies all paths and even uses cd in it
[17:16] <RubyJ> JeremyinNC: gotcha, for example when trying to hit repo based off of "http://security.ubuntu.com raring-security" I get the redirect
[17:16] <bazhang> Renzatic, thats the risk of such a significant PPA. contact the maintainers and help bug fix
[17:16] <RubyJ> *any repo
[17:16] <Renzatic> well I need to know if it's a bug, and not a problem with my setup first
[17:16] <bb_> jeremy the mc script is well tested at this point and works well from terminal
[17:16] <llutz> bb_: "pgrep cron"   any output?
[17:16] <bazhang> Renzatic, most certainly a bug
[17:17] <bb_> jeremy yes im learning this channel
[17:17] <Renzatic> I've tried finding info on it on google, but so far I haven't found anything
[17:17] <bb_> llutz checking
[17:17] <bazhang> Renzatic, the ppa page should have some info on where to file bugs for it
[17:17] <Renzatic> how would I bring up information as to what's causing it to flake out?
[17:17] <nerfball> !tab /msg thomas__ any walkthroughs that you know of on getting sound setup in 13.04? Thanks.
[17:17] <p0wn3d> Xergo92:  They have a program called gimp that is very much like photoshop
[17:17] <Renzatic> k, I'll look it up
[17:17] <bb_> llutz it shows an id number
[17:17] <JeremyinNC> RubyJ: Did you update after upgrading?
[17:18] <Heavenstorm> Xergo92 check out Krita as well
[17:18] <llutz> bb_: add a cronjob " * * * * * /bin/date >>/tmp/crontest"  then check " /tmp/crontest" after 1-2 mintes.
[17:18] <Xergo92> Thanks
[17:18] <RubyJ> JeremyinNC: Did I update after upgrading? Isn't that what I;m trying to do now? :/
[17:18] <bb_> llutz what would i be looking for?
[17:19] <llutz> bb_: if the file exists, cron works properly
[17:19] <Renzatic> hmm, seems I used a different PPA to install 3.8 than what's showing on the Gnome3 staging page
[17:19] <JeremyinNC> bb_: Running it from a terminal gets the users environment settings, running it from cron does not. Just because it runs from the terminal does not mean it will run from cron. For instance the cron job may not get your JAVA_OPTS which the mindcraft jar file will need
[17:19] <llutz> bb_: it just will contain date/time lines, every minute
[17:19] <bb_> llutz i have used crontab -e -u bb       to create one schedule and it doesnt activate
[17:19] <auronandace> Renzatic: you need to get support from the ppa maintainer
[17:20] <JeremyinNC> RubyJ: I am not sure, I thought you said that upgrading alreay finished. What version are you currently running?
[17:20] <RubyJ> JeremyinNC: sorry for the confusion
[17:20] <llutz> bb_: pastebin the output of "crontab -l" and "cat /usr/local/bin/mc" please
[17:20] <RubyJ> JeremyinNC: I am on raring
[17:21] <RubyJ> JeremyinNC: I already upgraded the OS
[17:21] <Renzatic> I need to look some things up. I'll be back with more dumb questions in a sec
[17:21] <JeremyinNC> RubyJ: no worries, I thuoght you were saying it upgraded and then was having issues
[17:21] <thomas___> nerfball had you been able to get 5.1 sound working in an earlier ubuntu version?
[17:21] <bb_> llutz it may take me a min.  i do not know how to pastebin yet
[17:21] <RubyJ> JeremyinNC: its the apt-get update that im having issues with
[17:21] <llutz> !pastebin | bb_
[17:21] <Xergo92> @heavenstrom thanks
[17:21] <Xergo92> Man
[17:21] <RubyJ> JeremyinNC:  I fail to fetch from any repo that "http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/raring-updates/.…
[17:21] <JeremyinNC> RubyJ: Ok so upgrade again, sometimes the repos get changed expecially right after the release
[17:21] <bb_> i will brb
[17:21] <RubyJ> upgrade the os again?
[17:21] <RubyJ> how?
[17:22] <JeremyinNC> RubyJ: sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:22] <wilee-nilee> sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:22] <JeremyinNC> That's not a version upgrade, it will update any outdated repository info for the default repos though
[17:22] <wilee-nilee> I think it needs those spaces
[17:22] <genii-around> wilee-nilee: Might want && instead of ; there
[17:23] <wilee-nilee> thats how I run it but the one I altered works as well
[17:25] <RubyJ> JeremyinNC: wilee-nilee: I srill see a lot of redirects and get "some index files failed to download…."
[17:25] <JeremyinNC> So does what I wrote! just makes sure the first command succeeds
[17:25] <Renzatic> one quick question, since I have to make sure I've installed the right version of gnome 3.8 here
[17:25] <RubyJ> maybe some of the repos are having issues?
[17:25] <sirronb> JeremyinNC: I see you are chatting w.r.t upgrading. Well it's my turn to go "Raring" too. I have dl'd the iso (amd64) and burnt the dvd. So I'm ready to roll. Any tips or pointers I should know before I do the big deed? BTW Backups are complete.
[17:25] <bb_> llutz    http://pastebin.com/7ZQ0q7yy
[17:26] <Renzatic> adding "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3" then updating from the terminal is the same as adding "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/gnome3-team/gnome3-staging/ubuntu raring main" from the software sources, correct?
[17:26] <llutz> bb_: man 5 crontab
[17:26] <llutz> bb_: users crontab does not contain a "user" field
[17:26] <bb_> back   cron probs still
[17:26] <OerHeks> RubyJ, servers are on high load, maybe changing the mrror solves those errors, or try again laters
[17:26] <bb_> llutz ive read the man and checked for allow and deny etc......
[17:26] <OerHeks> c/mrror/mirror
[17:26] <JeremyinNC> sirronb: I am probably the wrong person to ask, I just pulled the trigger and did it from the command line. Everything turned out well after I updated post install though
[17:27] <trism> Renzatic: using add-apt-repository also adds the signing key for the ppa
[17:27] <bb_> llutz im sure it does let me verify
[17:27] <JeremyinNC> RubyJ: What does cat /etc/lsb-release say?
[17:27] <llutz> bb_: man 5 crontab
[17:27] <nerfball> is there like an ultra-noob channel to join and ask for help?
[17:27] <Renzatic> so I've got the proper packages, correct?
[17:27] <Renzatic> nerfball: wish there were :P
[17:27] <wilee-nilee> RubyJ, I have not follwed your problem, but always pastebin errors.
[17:27] <bazhang> !manual | nerfball have a read
[17:27] <sirronb> JeremyinNC: Ok thx. Any body else with some advise.
[17:27] <bb_> llutz it does contain the user field and it is optional
[17:27] <bazhang> !rute | nerfball and this
[17:27] <JeremyinNC> It did take me a white to get all the new package info just now
[17:28] <bb_> cron still not running any scheduled items
[17:28] <nerfball> thanks guys, Ive read some manuals and stuff, just trying to troubleshoot an issue, not general usage questions.
[17:28] <lotuspsychje> whats that hide users line again to hide usernames at login?
[17:28] <llutz> bb_: man 5 crontab   "EXAMPLE SYSTEM CRON FILE" you want to read the line below that
[17:28] <JeremyinNC> Sound is pretty tricky, I had to manually edit some files to get it right with SPDIF out
[17:29] <Renzatic> well, I'm off to do some research, and maybe possibly submit my first bug. thanks for the help everyone o/
[17:29] <bb_> anyone?  cron issue : not running anything...  are DESKTOP versions of ubuntu restricted from cron?
[17:29] <RubyJ> JeremyinNC: DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu, DSTRIB_RELEASE=13.04, DISTRIB_CODENAME=raring....
[17:29] <JeremyinNC> hidden-users=
[17:29] <RubyJ> JeremyinNC: no issue there
[17:29] <JeremyinNC> Darn RubyJ, I have no idea except maybe they are just busy
[17:29] <JeremyinNC> I did an update myself 30 sec ago and it went through fine
[17:30] <RubyJ> JeremyinNC: Im thinking maybe I have some extra sources? what are the correct sources int he software center
[17:30] <bb_> llutz   ideas?
[17:30] <JeremyinNC> but if you were able to ugprade yuu were hittung those repos
[17:30] <JeremyinNC> IT should have disabled them
[17:30] <RubyJ> im sure it did
[17:30] <RubyJ> but i dont think it added the right ones
[17:30] <MonkeyDust> bb_  i use cron for my backups - to hav e it backup, i just leave the pc switched on
[17:30] <RubyJ> or maybe i reenabled them by accident
[17:30] <JeremyinNC> bb_: Try adding it to /etc/crontab ?
[17:30] <llutz> bb_: you also were asked to use full pathes in your  /usr/local/bin/mc, you didn't.
[17:31] <JeremyinNC> RubyJ: That could be an issue, most PPAs etc won't have ringtail updates yeat
[17:31] <bb_> monkey  are you using ubuntu regular version? or server?
[17:31] <feudin> 13.04 looking and running nice for me atm which is good, whats with the horrid 'files' icon though? :s
[17:31] <bb_> jeremy how do i add it to there?
[17:31] <bb_> jeremy just  a text file?
[17:31] <llutz> bb_: SERVICE='ftbserver.jar'     path missing, ... INVOCATION="java..." path missing
[17:31] <JeremyinNC> 12.10 > 13.04 went painlessly for me from the command line
[17:31] <Jrtojo> I was installing 13.04, and my pc suffered a power failure, Now I've got 'half' of a 13 install, and it seems to be corrupted. Is there anything I can do other than just reinstalling ubuntu from scratch?
[17:32] <bb_>  hello?
[17:32] <bb_> everyone stopped talking lol?
[17:32] <JeremyinNC> bb_: I'd read llutz answer first, I really think your missing some environment, java especially needs that stuff
[17:33] <Pici> bb_: The users crontab absolutely does not have a user field.
[17:33] <bb_> jeremy llutz mc works well from terminal from any folder
[17:34] <llutz> bb_: cron is different from terminal. how often should we tell you that
[17:34] <bb_> jeremy so perhaps default path is missing???\
[17:34] <llutz> bb_: if you don't want our help, stop asking
[17:34] <JeremyinNC> Jrtojo: Do you have a live CD
[17:34] <llutz> bb_: you have been told what to do, what to check and where it might hang.
[17:34] <JeremyinNC> bb_: "sudo apt-get install update-manager-core" yes
[17:34] <JeremyinNC> oops
[17:34] <JeremyinNC> ignore that
[17:35] <bb_> pici i just did man crontab and it DOES have a user parameter!!!
[17:35] <Pici> bb_: No it does not. Make sure you are reading the correct section.
[17:35] <JeremyinNC> the system crontab is not the same thing
[17:35] <llutz> bb_: it doesn't and it breaks cronjobs
[17:35] <Pici> bb_: "The  following  lists  the content of a regular system-wide crontab file. Unlinke a user's crontab, this file has the username field, as used by /etc/crontab."
[17:35] <bb_> llutz im NOT ignoring you i am trying to comprehend what is needed.  really.
[17:36] <llutz> bb_: you aren't
[17:36] <Pici> bb_: The user's crontab (crontab -e) does not have a user field.
[17:36] <JeremyinNC> one is /etc/crontab (old school, root, reqs user) the other is crontab -e as a normal user which goes (if I remember) in spool
[17:36] <Pici> It is not optional. It does not exist.
[17:36] <Spazturtle> Is there a way to install ubuntu without loading the os?
[17:36] <JeremyinNC> Define the difference between loading and installing?
[17:37] <JeremyinNC> You can boot off a live CD
[17:37] <sfan5> I've just updated to 13.04 and now bumblebee doesn't work, any tips?
[17:37] <bb_> SYNOPSIS
[17:37] <bb_>        crontab [ -u user ] file
[17:37] <bb_>        crontab [ -u user ] [ -i ] { -e | -l | -r }
[17:37] <FloodBot1> bb_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:37] <Pici> bb_: And? That doesn't say anything about the content of the file, which is what we are discussing.
[17:38] <JeremyinNC> bb_: there re two different kinds of crontab
[17:38] <llutz> bb_: still, read "man 5 crontab"   not man cron, not man crontab
[17:38] <JeremyinNC> bb_: one for users and one for root
[17:38] <pr_confidential> I'm trying usb 12.04 with no hd. I've gone to "try ubuntu" and tried turning on nomeset. I'm still getting error messages. Any one help:)?
[17:38] <bb_> jeremy     ok im trying very hard still...   im reading back this conversation now...
[17:38] <Pici> bb_: this is what your crontab should look like: * * * * * /usr/local/bin/mc
[17:39] <Pici> bb_: do not put in a username.
[17:39] <JeremyinNC> bb_: that is when creating it with crontab -e
[17:39] <Spazturtle> There used to be a instller that didn't load the live os, now It seams you have to load the live os
[17:40] <jeck> dragon
[17:40] <lotuspsychje> pr_confidential: what do you mean with 'no hd'?
[17:40] <pr_confidential> I am getting an ubuntu screen then an error "can not mount /dev/ loop1 on/cow
[17:40] <Pici> Spazturtle: You can use the minimal CD if you want something like the alternate CD
[17:40] <JeremyinNC> Spazturtle: There is the alternative CD
[17:41] <pr_confidential> the hd is broken so I removed it. I put ubuntu 12.04 on a usb and selected option "try ubuntu before installing". Not working for me :'(
[17:41] <JeremyinNC> weird, I am running 12.10 off a USB stick at home
[17:41] <pr_confidential> (I'm not on that computer now obviously)
[17:41] <bb_> JEREMY and LLUTZ  !!  THANK YOU.  i finally comprehend what you are talking about... =)  tested and WORKING!  thanks!
[17:42] <bb_> thankyou thank you!!
[17:42] <lotuspsychje> pr_confidential: i think the live usb needs an internal hd
[17:42] <llutz> things tend to work, if you do them right
[17:42] <pr_confidential> what am I doing wrong JeremyinNC?
[17:42] <bb_> its working im out... thanks all  =)
[17:42] <pr_confidential> it does not need an inturnal hd
[17:43] <pr_confidential> perhaps I could use an earlier version? is 12.04 compatiable with that option? I'm still a new user in general
[17:43] <JeremyinNC> pr_confidential: I am not sure, has this comp run Ubuntu before ?
[17:44] <thomas___> with 13.04, wubi is no longer used, is this the problem pr_confidential?
[17:44] <pr_confidential> yes, had 12.04 on the hd that was broken
[17:44] <JeremyinNC> He's just trying to boot to Live from USB
[17:44] <pr_confidential> I have 12.04 on the usb
[17:44] <pr_confidential> *she
[17:44] <JeremyinNC> wubi shouldnot matter, that's inside Windows only afaik
[17:45] <pr_confidential> I don't have windows on it
[17:45] <xrq> are there ubuntu images for the mini android PCs like the MK802?
[17:45] <lotuspsychje> !touch | xrq
[17:45] <pr_confidential> it was ubuntu only with the hd, now no hd and I'd like to try this usb option. Seems interesting as it is only a little netbook for browsing :)
[17:46] <thomas___> (her) pr_confidential,,,,what is the system you are running before attempting 13.04...windows and linux in a shared system perhaps?
[17:46] <pizzakingme> hi!
[17:46] <pr_confidential> thomas, there is no system on the one I'm trying to use the usb with.
[17:47] <thomas___> and, no hard drive
[17:47] <pr_confidential> currently a netbook that is displaying the 12.04 ubuntu screen, allowing me to choose options after F6 then displaying failure :'(
[17:47] <aaron__> Anybody have any ideas on the viability of mounting a sound device from the /dev of another ubuntu box via ssh, maybe with sshfs or udev or something?
[17:48] <pr_confidential> after enabling nomodeset, I'm getting can not mount /dev/ loop1 on/com
[17:48] <Slaizer> hi all, I have installed ubuntu 12.10 today. Got everything together now except the sound system option which is managing the volume is not functioning. any help?
[17:48] <pr_confidential> before running the 12.04 on usb there was 12.04 on hd
[17:49] <thomas___> pr_confidential, this is beyond my limited abilities, someone will help though
[17:49] <aaron__> I tried to mount /dev/snd over /dev/snd but that didn't work, it must be more complicated than that.  Does anybody know how to write udev rules?
[17:50] <RubyJ> does anyone get IP redirects when trying to do a sudo apt-get update
[17:50] <thomas___> pr just one other thing do you have 12.04 on cd?
[17:50] <pr_confidential> I'm seeing a lot of hiv faggotry happening in here, could be the root of my problem.
[17:50] <thomas___> aha!
[17:50] <hide_> hi all
[17:50] <pr_confidential> eitherway, thanks for the tips thomas, I'm a new user.
[17:51] <pr_confidential> I had seen these options on ubuntu forum so I'm sure it is out there
[17:51] <pr_confidential> hivs
[17:52] <pr_confidential> there are hivs all across the internet due to 42 so we have to stay safe :)
[17:52] <pr_confidential> good night :)
[17:52] <thomas___> pr, I was having a deuce of a time getting Linux to work, but with 12.04, everything smooth.  I would suggest using 12.04 as it is a long term (lts) version and let them work out the kinks with 13.04
[17:52] <Slaizer> anyone with knowledge in sound options in Ubuntu?
[17:52] <pr_confidential> I am using 12.04 lts
[17:53] <codephobic> hi
[17:53] <thomas___> on another computer?
[17:53] <pr_confidential> as long as there is nothing tara or jacob in there, it's safe and clean :)
[17:53] <codephobic> Anyone found a solution to the cifs mounting problem with Ubuntu 13.04?
[17:53] <RubyJ> wohooooooooo
[17:53] <RubyJ> fixed it
[17:53] <thomas___> roomies, lookout
[17:53] <chop1n> thomas___, I agree. I am still on 12.04. Will hold on updating for 13.04 for a couple of months
[17:53] <codephobic> I've been googling it all afternoon, can't find a solution yet
[17:54] <pr_confidential> I'm on a work related laptop inquiring about my netbook after breaking the hd :) Sorry for the confusion
[17:54] <thomas___> chop adds supports for my theories
[17:54] <JeremyinNC> RubyJ: What was the fix?
[17:54] <lotuspsychje> chop1n: i did a clean install 13.04, 64bit on ssd netbook, everything working flawless here
[17:54] <JeremyinNC> pr_confidential: I had the same issue with several intel on board boxes
[17:54] <thomas___> if the harddrive has failed, the machine, for all extents and purposes, is mostly useless until the hard drive is replaced, or errors with it addressed
[17:54] <JeremyinNC> pr_confidential: onboard video that is
[17:55] <codephobic> lotuspsychje, do you have any remote NAS folders you mount at boot? Are they working in 13.04?
[17:55] <RubyJ> JeremyinNC: No particular fix lol, I just tried connecting to some different netowkrs
[17:55] <RubyJ> *networks
[17:55] <JeremyinNC> thomas___: I boot a box at home with no HDD using Xbuntu 12.04 off a USB
[17:55] <oconnore> Hey, what tool should I use in 13.04 to add an icon/launcher to Unity?
[17:55] <RubyJ> JeremyinNC: I guess the connection I was using wasnt supporting it for some reaso
[17:55] <RubyJ> reaosn
[17:55] <vooze> If i'm going to install ubuntu on a hybrid drive (I want to install / on the 16GB SSD) Then i'm going to use the harddrive to /home, is there somthing else thats a good idea to have on the harddrive to save space on the 16 GB SSD?
[17:55] <pr_confidential> no thomas, people are doing it :) you select "try ubuntu before install". I'm curious as to if it will only work with earlier versions or if it is just me
[17:55] <Pici> codephobic: iirc, credentials files should have each field on a seperate line. i,e:  username=xxx\npassword=xxx
[17:55] <lotuspsychje> codephonic: im not using nas, but im sure it will work
[17:56] <thomas___> Jer, how is the thing speedwise and otherwise...it starts and operates perhaps, but what of saved work, etc
[17:56] <codephobic> Pici, I tried a few variants, with and without commas, on separate lines etc... not having any luck
[17:56] <lotuspsychje> oconnore: open a program and right mouse on the icon 'add to launcher'
[17:56] <oconnore> lotuspsychje: but I can't add the icon that way
[17:56] <oconnore> lotuspsychje: firefox looks ugly
[17:57] <pr_confidential> I tried getting the pendrive linux but my machine started having seisures or something so I went the pre-installed ubuntu way from cd to usb, then tried "try"
[17:57] <JeremyinNC> thomas___: /home is an NFS mount, it's "ok" over n-wireless but not great
[17:57] <thomas___> pc, I understand that people are using it thataway but to what great purpose?
[17:57] <pr_confidential> because I had a parasite in my files
[17:57] <belgianguy> there's something wrong with Unity in 13.04
[17:58] <OerHeks> belgianguy, you tell us ?
[17:58] <SanMysterious> and with maven
[17:58] <belgianguy> it locks up on me, and the snap (orange transparancy animations) sometimes remain
[17:58] <pr_confidential> I only used it for browsing so it should keep any taraisms out of my little netbook :)
[17:58] <lotuspsychje> belgianguy: did you check your additional drivers?
[17:58] <oconnore> lotuspsychje: is it possible?
[17:58] <asleo> hi, I am using ubuntu 12.10 and postgresql 9.1. I accidentaly removed the /etc/init.d/postgresql. How can I get this file back?
[17:59] <belgianguy> lotuspsychje: it's all default stuff, it uses fglrx-updates
[17:59] <thomas___> pc, as an example, I played around with 13.04 last nite, using a virtualbox setup, but that did not come close to the experience I have with 12.04 running with the full capabilities of my quite husky desktop.  Not even close.
[17:59] <JeremyinNC> pr_confidential: sounds like a video card driver problem to me but I'm not exactly clear on the error, is it just going blank after a certian point?
[17:59] <codephobic> Is there any method for downgrading to 12.10 from 13.04?
[17:59] <belgianguy> Unity still works, but won't collapse (while it should)
[17:59] <myersg> how to I upgrade to the new release of ubuntu 13.04 from the beta version?
[17:59] <pr_confidential> I have 12.04 on this one, Full capabilities when I have a private connection
[17:59] <BA7> how to create a windows iso bootable on usb stick? I don't find any program on ubuntu for it
[17:59] <pr_confidential> I'd like to disable wireless and import via netbook tbh
[18:00] <lotuspsychje> belgianguy: did you upgrade or clean install?
[18:00] <belgianguy> lotuspsychje: upgrade
[18:00] <pr_confidential> the hivs that got in my last netbook caused quite the storm
[18:00] <belgianguy> but the 12.10 was a clean one, few months ago
[18:00] <lotuspsychje> belgianguy: was fglrx also the default driver on 12.10?
[18:00] <SanMysterious> can i force a package to install, when it collides with another one? in my case: libwagon-java and libwagon2-java. maven unfortunately depends on both versions
[18:01] <Umair> how can I ssh to Android ICS tablet from ubuntu?
[18:01] <aaron__> BA7: unetbootin is clutch
[18:01] <pr_confidential> BA7, start up disk creator in dash
[18:01] <belgianguy> lotuspsychje: yeah
[18:01] <lotuspsychje> belgianguy: not sure then, i installed clean today all works flawless
[18:02] <llutz> Umair: install/run a ssh-server like sshdroid/dropbear on your tablet, then "ssh user@ip-of-tablet" in a ubuntu-terminal
[18:02] <JeremyinNC> Umair: You need an SSH server on your android device
[18:02] <Umair> ah I thought it already had OpenSSh
[18:02] <pr_confidential> I wanted to try the usb route, I don't want any more shit in my system. I want something to browse.
[18:02] <myersg> hey I need help
[18:02] <lotuspsychje> !polite pr_confidential
[18:02] <MonkeyDust> myersg  start with a question
[18:02] <codephobic> /LANIP/Folder/ /media/Folder cifs credentials=/root/.acccreds,iocharset=utf8,file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777 0 0 << works perfectly for a folder shared by Windows 7 but not for a folder shared by ReadyNAS duo. Even though both work in 12.10.
[18:03] <pr_confidential> sorry for the descriptive language, :S
[18:03] <myersg> Monkeydust I upgraded to the 13.04 beta version of ubuntu, how to I upgrade to the full release version?
[18:04] <pr_confidential> I don't want any little things hiding in there so I wanted to browse at cafes safely. I think the usb option may be easiest
[18:04] <MonkeyDust> myersg  no, simply sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get upgrade should do the trick
[18:04] <myersg> ok
[18:05] <pr_confidential> I am also tired of buying new HD everytime I have a parasite in there
[18:06] <pr_confidential> thanks for the tips.
[18:06] <BA7> disk creator doesn't work. i can't add the iso, maybe because it isn't a ubuntu iso?
[18:07] <BA7> as I said i will add windows iso
[18:07] <codephobic> woohoo! found a solution
[18:07] <pr_confidential> I went from disk to usb, couldnt get the download to go there but, I'm a new user. Not the best port for advice
[18:08] <codephobic> Anyone experiencing mount issues with NAS/cifs in 13.04, try this: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=160047
[18:09] <pr_confidential> hopefully I didn't let more taras and jacobs in here today. Off to another cafe to find a hivs free solution
[18:09] <x2> Hello there! When I tap my touchpad with two fingers, my mouse pointer doesn't move. How can I configure it so that it will interpret multitouch like singletouch?
[18:10] <zman099> how do you remove the toolbar at the top in gnome
[18:11] <zman099> or i mean the top menu bar
[18:11] <zman099> how do i remove it
[18:15] <spiff_> Hello all, what is the verdict on 13.04? Good?
[18:15] <darthanubis> yup
[18:15] <darthanubis> so far so good
[18:15] <earspliT> be wary with nvidia card though
[18:15] <blazemore> I like it, it's what 11.10 should have been
[18:15] <darthanubis> my one box lost dual screen though
[18:16] <earspliT> *12.10?
[18:16] <blazemore> 11.10
[18:16] <darthanubis> still working on that
[18:16] <sect0r> Upgraded to 13.04, what would stop my background from being displayed and prevent me from "right" clicking on the desktop?
[18:16] <spiff_> Ok, sounds promising.
[18:16] <darthanubis> nvidia sees the TV but won't output to it
[18:16] <blazemore> sect0r: The application "nautilus" draws the wallpaper and deals with the desktop
[18:16] <p0wn3d> spiff: I would try it in a VM first before trashing 12.04 .
[18:16] <spiff_> Is virtualbox and 13.04 as a client friends?
[18:17] <Gnea> darthanubis: you should be able to re-enable it with nvidia-settings
[18:17] <blazemore> sect0r: Not sure exactly how to deal with your specific issue but I hope that allows you to look in the right direction
[18:17] <blazemore> spiff_: Yes
[18:17] <spiff_> blazemore, ok
[18:18] <sect0r> hmm
[18:18] <x2> uh, is there any way to make ubuntu treat events when I put both my fingers on touchpad as just a usual mouse movement?
[18:19] <darthanubis> Gnea, I did. I even rm'd the xorg file, ran nvidia-xconfig. I think the cards hdmi port must be defective. But it was working. I'll have to figure it out.
[18:19] <x2> and not scrolling and etc
[18:19] <Gnea> darthanubis: is the cord rf-blocked on both ends?
[18:19] <sect0r> My displays are also being mirrored even though I have that turned off.
[18:20] <sect0r> fixed that
[18:20] <sayaga> halo
[18:20] <sayaga> anybody can speak indonesia?
[18:20] <sayaga> :D
[18:20] <Gnea> darthanubis: that is, do they have ferrite cores?
[18:21] <Gnea> darthanubis: also, nvidia-settings is the command to use
[18:22] <OerHeks> !indonesia
[18:22] <sayaga> thx ubottu
[18:22] <sayaga> :D
[18:22] <darthanubis> Gnea, yes
[18:23] <Gnea> darthanubis: I doubt it's the cable's fault then
[18:23] <Gnea> darthanubis: I'd make sure they're fully plugged in, at the very least
[18:24] <Gnea> darthanubis: you might also want to do a hard reset - power off completely, then start up again
[18:25] <x2> is there any way to make ubuntu treat events when I put both my fingers on touchpad as just a usual mouse movement?
[18:25] <darthanubis> Gnea, I appreciate it. Done that multiple times:)
[18:25] <sayaga> how can i change DNS easyli
[18:25] <Gnea> darthanubis: :-)
[18:25] <x2> My click buttons are also touchpad-sensible so it's quite annoying - mouse pointer freezes when I click something
[18:26] <comjf_> Question: My computer freezes and dies about once a day on very version of ubuntu since 12.04 (it doesn't do it on arch linux) I can't seem to find steps to consistantly reproduce it. All I want to know is, where in the /var/log can help me troubleshoot this issue. Can't find anything in dmesg, or syslog. The computer completely freezes, unable to ssh in or do anything
[18:26] <comjf_> every version of ubuntu since*
[18:26] <hirru27> anyone know how to show a popup from pc1 to pc2 via popup using shell script?
[18:27] <lykwydchykyn> comjf: hard freezes like that are usually a graphics driver crash
[18:27] <comjf_> lykwydchykyn: is that in the log somewhere?
[18:27] <spiff_> x2, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad
[18:27] <hirru27> anyone know how to show a popup from pc1 to pc2 via popup using shell script? its a message popup
[18:27] <lykwydchykyn> comjf_: might be in /var/log/Xorg.0.log, but I've had some where I had to go through some arduous process to turn on verbose logging for X
[18:28] <lykwydchykyn> hirru27: do you have ssh access between the systems?
[18:29] <Cornwallis> Would anybody be willing to help troubleshoot a problem with installation of IDLE? I think it's more a Ubuntu issue than being IDLE specific...have the error codes.
[18:29] <TheMan1101> hirru27: As always, that depends on your specific problem, simplest solution would be to use pdigin with local bonjour
[18:29] <x2> spiff_: but I have openbox instead of gnome
[18:30] <x2> I used to play with synclient proerties, but the behaviour is still the same
[18:30] <Cornwallis> http://textdump.net/raw/1976/ These errors keep my IDLE3 from running upon starting it. Any idea how to fix it?
[18:31] <blazemore> Cornwallis: That looks like a bug in the application, Cornwallis, not something specific to Ubuntu. How did you install IDLE3?
[18:31] <hirru27> i want to do is, i can send a popup message(like an alert popup) to a pc in a network and the user will only click ok on the dialog box
[18:32] <Cornwallis> blazemore: i installed it via terminal sudo apt-get install idle3
[18:32] <excervo> hirru27, are you reffering to network popups?
[18:32] <lykwydchykyn> hirru27: if you have remote shell access (e.g. ssh) the simplest way is to pipe a message into "wall" on the remote box.
[18:33] <hirru27> the thing is i want it to be just a popup..the "Wall" send messages through terminal
[18:33] <blazemore> Cornwallis: Sorry, I don't know enough about it to help you :c
[18:33] <hirru27> excervo, what do mean by network popup?
[18:33] <lykwydchykyn> hirru27: most DE's also do a popup for wall
[18:34] <Cornwallis> blazemore: i appreciate it. :) do you know of any way i could help troubleshoot this though, maybe by even restoring ubuntu to default settings?
[18:34] <hirru27> lykwydchykyn, im using gnome3
[18:34] <blazemore> Cornwallis: Has it ever worked?
[18:34] <Cornwallis> cornwallis: idle? nope, i just installed it today actually.
[18:34] <hirru27> can we do like a shell script to make a popup from pc1(admin) to pc2(user)?
[18:35] <blazemore> What is it? A python IDE?
[18:35] <Cornwallis> blazemore: idle? nope i just installed it today actually. and yeah it's a python ide.
[18:35] <blazemore> Cornwallis: See if they have an IRC channel of their own
[18:35] <hirru27> its only popup so the user will only click ok
[18:35] <Cornwallis> blazemore: will do. thank you very much sir. :)
[18:36] <excervo> hirru27, you may want to use popup notification
[18:36] <hirru27> excervo, how to do it?
[18:36] <lykwydchykyn> hirru27:  You can do something like zenity, but you'll have to set DISLAY and all that nonsense.  Are you sure GNOME3 doesn't display wall as a notification?
[18:36] <excervo> hirru27, just intsll it
[18:36] <hirru27> nope, i tried it. lykwydchykyn
[18:36] <jhutchins_wk> It'd be nice to have something basic for station-to-station chat on a LAN.
[18:37] <Dr_willis> http://askubuntu.com/questions/61995/chat-over-lan-from-linux-to-linux
[18:37] <hirru27> excervo, how to install it?
[18:37] <Dr_willis> Empathy supports this, but you need to activate it. It is called people nearby
[18:38] <excervo> hirru27, try to read this guide http://ospa.arvat.org/pop-up-notification-from-command-line/
[18:38] <hirru27> lykwydchykyn, i used zenety but it can only be used in your own box
[18:38] <blazemore> hirru27: notify-send foo
[18:39] <cebor> my screen does not dim after while idling on battery mode  ubuntu 13.04, anybody else has this problem and has a way to fix this ?
[18:39] <blazemore> cebor: Is it set to dim when idle?
[18:39] <systemclient> what is a quick way to retrieve battery percentage on the command line?
[18:39] <hirru27> blazemore, try using notfy-send to send popup to another pc foo
[18:40] <cebor> blazemore: yes its checked by default in the settings
[18:40] <blazemore> hirru27: ssh user@host notify-send foo
[18:40] <hirru27> blazemore, connection refused foo
[18:41] <hirru27> blazemore, the problem with ssh is that i configured the port to my home port 1212 but it still using port 22..why is that?
[18:41] <blazemore> hirru27: do you use ssh already?
[18:42] <spiff_> hirru27, have you restarted or HUPed the server?
[18:42] <adamk> hirru27: How did yu configure it to use 1212?
[18:42] <hirru27> spiff_ yes
[18:42] <blazemore> hirru27: you can specify the port with ssh user@host -p 1212 I think
[18:42] <hirru27> and yes
[18:42] <genii-around> systemclient: upower -i /org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/battery_BAT0 | grep percent
[18:42] <systemclient> genii-around: thanks!
[18:42] <genii-around> systemclient: You're welcome
[18:42] <blazemore> systemclient: the folder /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0 contains info too
[18:43] <hirru27> sshd_config adamk
[18:43] <systemclient> blazemore: I see, maybe I write a small program to compute something with it for me
[18:43] <blazemore> systemclient: Google for "battery percentage linux command line"
[18:43] <genii-around> systemclient: If you omit the | grep percent     part you get a lot of other info too
[18:43] <spiff_> hirru27, tried executing a netstat -4n?
[18:43] <blazemore> systemclient: There are lots of examples, including how to get the percentage and time remaining on your console prompt, which I just found and am going to use :)
[18:45] <Dr_willis> blazemore,  i belive tmux/byobu has a way to have that in a status bar at the bottom of the console
[18:45] <hirru27> spiff_ not yet
[18:46] <hirru27> spiff_, done
[18:46] <trinity_matrix> :(
[18:46] <hirru27> why is it saying connection refused
[18:46] <hirru27> ssh error using unable to connect user@ip using port 22: connection refused
[18:47] <hirru27> ssh error unable to connect user@ip using port 22: connection refused
[18:47] <llutz> hirru27: "connection refused" means: nothing listening on this port
[18:47] <systemclient> hirru27: sounds like there is no SSH server or a firewall blocking
[18:47] <llutz> hirru27: so if you changed ssh-server to listen on 1212, use "ssh -p 1212 user@host"
[18:48] <hirru27> i didnt setup a firewall yet
[18:48] <llutz> hirru27: or just change the host/port settings in ~/.ssh/config
[18:49] <llutz> hirru27: on server, do "sudo lsof -i :1212" . does it show ssh listening there?
[18:49] <hirru27> lsof -1?
[18:49] <llutz> hirru27: lsof -i :1212
[18:50] <genii-around> hirru27: lowercase letter that goes between H and J
[18:50] <hirru27> yup port 1212
[18:50] <Dr_willis> heh.. time to change fonts if i and 1 look the same
[18:51] <llutz> .. in morsecode
[18:51] <llutz> hirru27: "ssh -p 1212 user@host"  on client
[18:51] <llutz> hirru27: replace user@host of course to your actual settings
[18:51] <as2000> how do I change the system color scheme?
[18:51] <x2> well, maybe there should be an ability to make my touchpad interpret two fingers on touchpad as just mouse move???
[18:52] <hirru27> llutz, ssh -p 1212 user@ip notify-send "messge"?
[18:52] <MonkeyDust> as2000  try changing the theme
[18:52] <llutz> hirru27: whatever command
[18:53] <llutz> hirru27: i'd first try if the connect succeeds
[18:53] <Zane> Hi, I have a question about upgrading from Ubuntu 12.10, to 13.04.
[18:53] <as2000> MonkeyDust I just want to edit the colors, not the scheme
[18:53] <Zane> Do I need to get a CD with the new Ubuntu version (13.04), or could I find an upgrade online to add in addition to Ubuntu 12.10 & my OS Windows 7?
[18:53] <hirru27> ssh: connect to host ip port 1212 :connection refused
[18:54] <lkjadsmsd> hello I'm using ubuntu 12.10. server , but I don't get internet access.  http://pastebin.com/SMwM8z6q  ping 192.168.2.1, works.... ifconfig doesn't show the gateway. any ideas?
[18:54] <llutz> hirru27: on client: nmap -p1212 host"
[18:54] <llutz> hirru27: host= server-ip or -hostname
[18:54] <x2> argh, this multitouch kills me.
[18:55] <x2> maybe it's possible to unload touchpad driver? and make it behave just likem ouse?
[18:55] <lykwydchykyn> lkjadsmsd: usually "route" shows the default gw
[18:55] <Zane> So, do I need to get a CD of Ubuntu 13.04's iso file to install, or can I upgrade from 12.10 to 13.04? I cannot find my 13.04 upgrade under the software manager. Am I doing something wrong?
[18:56] <hirru27> llutz, what data do you want to know
[18:56] <johnjohn1011> zane:    update-manager -d
[18:56] <llutz> hirru27: does it report the port as open?
[18:56] <hirru27> yes
[18:56] <genii-around> lykwydchykyn: broadcast 192.168.2.255
[18:56] <Zane> Type that in the command line? Terminal, I mean..
[18:57] <genii-around> kjcristiano, rather: broadcast 192.168.2.255
[18:57] <hirru27> llutz, yes
[18:57] <johnjohn1011> Zane: yes use terminal
[18:57] <Zane> I tried sudo update-manager -d in terminal, and its loading something.
[18:58] <llutz> hirru27: did you use "ssh -p 1212 user@host"  or did you add the "notify-send...."?
[18:58] <hirru27> llutz, i didnt add the notify-send
[18:59] <Zane> I don't actually see an Ubuntu 13.04 upgrade, but I'll just install the recommended updates I guess? I'll take a snapshot & show you..
[18:59] <lkjadsmsd> lykwydchykyn: where do I see the default gateway? first line ?http://pastebin.com/qdciRxs7
[18:59] <ni291187> I hosed my machine again...  having trouble getting reinstallation to succeed around boot issues....  booting from remastersys iso.
[19:00] <ni291187> installation kinda strokes out at the end...
[19:00] <genii-around> lkjadsmsd: Also, if you're setting it static like that, adding some nameservers to resolv.conf might not hurt
[19:00] <ni291187> I get single blinking cursor from sda1
[19:01] <ni291187> reinstalling again now...  likely will fail to fix boot sector like before..
[19:02] <jordan4ibanez> Help; I was not having this issue when I installed 13.04 yesterday, and it seems to have started happening only today, I really don't understand this: http://youtu.be/Vgg9C6IcpIM
[19:02] <Zane> Am I not noticing the update? http://oi44.tinypic.com/11a8q4l.jpg I apologize, feel free to call me a noob..
[19:02] <Zane> I'll also show what I typed in the command line:
[19:02] <Zane> alan@alan-VPCEE31FX:~$ sudo update-manager -d [sudo] password for alan:
[19:02] <jordan4ibanez> I can't click the menu modification buttons when the applications are full-screened.
[19:02] <blazemore> jordan4ibanez: Wow that is... weird
[19:03] <Zane> Please tell me what I'm doing wrong for the update..
[19:03] <lkjadsmsd> genii-around: you mean adding something like dns-nameservers ip.addresse.des.nameservers to interfaces?
[19:03] <blazemore> Zane: You don't need to use -d, because 13.04 isn't a development version any more, but you could try running sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade first?
[19:03] <blazemore> Zane: that is, "sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade" (without the quotes)
[19:03] <vitimiti> could somebody help me with making skype work on ubuntu 13.04?
[19:03] <Zane> Oh, I'm sorry. I was given that command from someone here.
[19:04] <Zane> Should I use sudo do-release-upgrade -d instead?
[19:04] <Zane> *without -d sorry.
[19:04] <termospullo> hello
[19:04] <genii-around> lkjadsmsd: No, i mean adding some line like nameserver 8.8.8.8  to the /etc/resolv.conf file
[19:04] <Zane> sudo do-release-upgrade
[19:04] <termospullo> anyone managed to get monaco to run under wine?
[19:04] <jordan4ibanez> I know, it's starting to get really irritating. I think the unity launcher has gone to the top of the screen or something.
[19:04] <blazemore> Zane: Maybe. I've never upgraded so I don't know. I'd say, try installing all available updates before doing a full version upgrade?
[19:04]  * vitimiti gas to go
[19:04] <lkjadsmsd> genii-around: the file content says, that it should not be manually overwritten
[19:04] <genii-around> lkjadsmsd: You're not using dhcp
[19:04] <blazemore> jordan4ibanez: Does it happen every time, or is it fixed upon logging out and in again?
[19:05] <jordan4ibanez> Let me try.
[19:05] <Zane> Based on all the details, I only have 2 security upgrades dealing with firmware. Thanks for the help, though. Means alot.
[19:06] <ni291187> my install gets stuck on the choose a picture step......
[19:06] <jordan4ibanez> Yes it has been fixed, that is very strange, thank you.
[19:06] <jordan4ibanez> ni291187, redownload the .iso
[19:06] <lkjadsmsd> genii-around: well, i had a closer look and this line already was there, because I formerly had dhcp configuration , even working
[19:06] <jordan4ibanez> Your iso must have not been seeded correctly.
[19:07] <Biomechd> so i'm currently upgrading to raring. is there anything i should be aware of?
[19:07] <genii-around> lkjadsmsd: Can you ping 8.8.8.8 ?  It's a Google public nameserver IP
[19:07] <MonkeyDust> Biomechd  plenty reviews tell you what's new
[19:07] <Zane> Took a while, but terminal detected the upgrade with the command do-release-upgrade . Thank you, all.
[19:08] <Zane> & upgrading just will add the system, not affecting my already installed ones, right?
[19:08] <lkjadsmsd> genii-around: yes, this is possible
[19:08] <ni291187> this is a backup iso
[19:09] <wilee-nilee> ni291187, remastersys ISO?
[19:09] <Biomechd> MonkeyDust: i was just asking if there are any severe, immediate bugs that anyone's found right after upgrading.
[19:09] <genii-around> lkjadsmsd: Then the problem is the nameservers in that /etc/resolv.conf file
[19:09] <fdr> did someone else get problems with notify-osd. Mine is showing blue squares at the left side of the screen, instead of the usual bubbles
[19:10] <ni291187> yes
[19:10] <Zane> Upgrading will NOT delete any other systems I already have installed I'm pretty sure. Correct?
[19:10] <Zane> Okay, thanks.
[19:10] <ni291187> wilee-nilee
[19:10] <Zane> See ya on ubuntu 13.04. :D
[19:10]  * genii-around ponders if p9p1 is a valid interface 
[19:11] <wilee-nilee> ni291187, Those can be tricky to use, at least I found that to be the case.
[19:11] <lkjadsmsd> genii-around: how can I check whether this is a valid interface?
[19:11] <ni291187> yeah my boot is broken even after reinstall...
[19:11] <ni291187> how do I fix my boot.
[19:11] <ni291187> .
[19:11] <ni291187> ?
[19:12] <hirru27> is it possible to integrate shell script in a website?
[19:12] <wilee-nilee> !grub | ni291187
[19:12] <anivar> can someone fix this long standing bug ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ttf-indic-fonts/+bug/958345
[19:12] <genii-around> lkjadsmsd: If you do: ifconfig -a      ..does it show more than p9p1 and lo ?
[19:12] <bryguy_> I'm running 12.04 32 bit in a virtualbox vm, and when I try to log in there's a *long* delay, 15-30 seconds. Any idea what's causing this and/or how to fix it?
[19:12] <genii-around> lkjadsmsd: A pastebin of the rusults may be good.
[19:13] <wilee-nilee> ni291187, The bootrepair too will generate a bootinfo summary alone if you want to run it and post the url for help.
[19:13] <anivar> raring contains 3 year old versions of most of the indian language  fonts
[19:13] <wilee-nilee> tool*
[19:14] <Zane> I have Windows 7 64 BIT, & Ubuntu 12.10 which I am currently using as a dual-boot. I am about to install Ubuntu 13.04, through terminal. This will NOT affect My other systems, & I will still have my GRUB boot screen. I'm sorry for being so cautious, I'm just triple-checking I won't have to use my recovery discs again. So Windows & my older ubuntu version will be left completely alone, except i'll have a choice to boot to Ubuntu 13.04. 
[19:14] <ni291187> paste.ubuntu.com/5605660/ wilee-nilee
[19:15] <lkjadsmsd> genii-around: http://pastebin.com/ywHDjiia
[19:15] <r0lfi> Need some help here. After I have installed the Nvidia driver my screen goes black when i loggin. I have remove the nvidia driver and installed the stock driver. Any tips?
[19:15] <bryguy_> hrm, so if I do "sudo bash" it gives me the delay, if I do "sudo sh" it doesn't, so it must be something in bash startup
[19:16] <Zane> Installing Ubuntu 13.04 through terminal won't affect my 2 other systems Window 7, & ubuntu 12.10. Correct, or not? Please respond.
[19:16] <Zane> *Windows
[19:16] <messa4> how do I run Visual Studio on Ubuntu?
[19:16] <Zane> You cannot.
[19:16] <alecs77> Just updated to 13.04, and now WiFi no longer works with my Broadcom BCM4313 device. What to do? On http://paste.ubuntu.com/5605785/, I pasted /var/log/syslog
[19:16] <jexmex> is there a easy way to get rid of the unity launcher?
[19:16] <Slart> messa4: wine? or a vm
[19:16] <genii-around> lkjadsmsd: Thats fine then. I suggest to just add in the /etc/resolv.conf then:  nameserver 192.168.2.1     then new line: nameserver 8.8.8.8  then new line:  nameserver 8.8.4.4
[19:16] <Zane> Alec, I'm sorry for bothering you, but did u upgrade from 12.10?
[19:16] <Slart> messa4: I doubt there is a native linux version so you'll end up doing something "windowsy" =)
[19:17] <messa4> So linux cannot be used for programming? [no visual studio and no visual basic then?!]
[19:17] <Zane> There isn't, but there is probably a close alternative.
[19:17] <Zane> Visual Basic is meant for WINDOWS applications. And I highly doubt Wine could run it.
[19:17] <MonkeyDust> messa4  ask in #ubuntu-app-devel
[19:17] <alecs77> messa4: nah, can't program on Linux. Nobody does it…
[19:17] <Slart> messa4: if you think programming requires visual studio and visual basic.. then yes, you shouldn't be programming on linux
[19:17] <Zane> Really? Over 1,000 apps and no one does it. LOL
[19:17] <Zane> There are many languages.
[19:17] <pztrick> there is Mono Develop
[19:17] <Zane> PHP, you name it.
[19:17] <MonkeyDust> !info glade | messa4
[19:18] <Zane> Tons of things support it.
[19:18] <lkjadsmsd> genii-around: why are the two last lines needed?
[19:18] <alecs77> messa4: the apps all came from god ;-)
[19:18] <pztrick> messa4: http://monodevelop.com/
[19:18] <Zane> :(
[19:18] <messa4> Im intrested in Visual Basic, Delphi and C#
[19:18] <eduhat> hey guys, i have a dell inspiron 1525 with a bcm4312 wireless card in it. Im having trouble with all the various documented methods online. The wierd thing is with the ubuntu 12.10 live cd it works when i select the proprietary driver under software sources.
[19:18] <Zane> I'm not sure if my other operating systems will be erased so I'll just go on the Ubuntu forums.
[19:18] <_fdr_> messa4: if you want vb, you can try gambas2
[19:19] <alecs77> eduhat: me too (reg. problems with bcm4312)
[19:19] <MonkeyDust> messa4  VB is a Windows thingy
[19:19] <_fdr_> messa4: is a vb like environment for basic that run on linux
[19:19] <pztrick> messa4: "Multiple language support -  C#, Visual Basic.Net, C/C++, Vala"
[19:19] <genii-around> lkjadsmsd: In case the router has some problem with it's own DNs setup. So it will use router first, then fall back to Google dns machines if the router can't find the website you want
[19:19] <eduhat> alecs77: so im out of luck huh. Wow ubuntu what a let down
[19:19] <Slart> messa4: mono is the linux version of .net afaik.. delphi has something similar.. lazarus? I'm not sure about that one.. for visual basic you might just be better of using windows
[19:19] <johnjohn1011> vala will soon have a ide that mimics vb
[19:19] <eduhat> alecs77: why would it work under the livecd though?
[19:19] <messa4> ok. so linux cant run any software then. thx
[19:19] <johnjohn1011> lazarus is ok on linux.
[19:19] <pztrick> ....
[19:19] <Zane> Going on forums, my question wasn't answered here.
[19:20] <alecs77> eduhat: dunno. I bet, it's got something to do with the fact, that it's an update and not plain install
[19:20] <wilee-nilee> jexmex, the left panel?
[19:20] <Artpicre> Hello, I'm using wget to download a file from one URL. I would like ta save the file as the name that is in the URL
[19:20] <jexmex> wilee-nilee, yeah
[19:20] <Artpicre> But not the URL that I enter
[19:21] <Artpicre> The URL that the first URL redirects
[19:21] <wilee-nilee> jexmex, No really you can have it hide, you might consider a diffrent dektop.
[19:21] <wilee-nilee> not really*
[19:21] <johnjohn1011> Artpicre:   use the -o filename to name the file
[19:22] <Artpicre> Example, I have http://example.com/dl-latest/file.txt that redirects to http://dl.example.com/file-1.5.txt
[19:22] <wilee-nilee> jexmex, The unity desktop is a plugin in compiz running on top of gnome 3.
[19:22] <jexmex> wilee-nilee, was thinking of trying to install gnome3
[19:22] <Artpicre> I would like to save as file-1.5.txt
[19:22] <jexmex> the original gnome 3 look I should say
[19:22] <sirronb> Where can I get the XChat client for 13.04 (amd64)? Please.
[19:22] <Pessimist> Can anyone recommend a good English vocabulary  learning program on Ubuntu? If there is
[19:22] <wilee-nilee> jexmex, YOU have it already install the gnome-shell, and you can choose the gnome 3 desktop or the fallback.
[19:23] <johnjohn1011> wget  -O file-1.5.txt    ( rest of command line)
[19:23] <Artpicre> johnjohn1011> It's not waht I want
[19:23] <Slart> sirronb: it's not in the repos?
[19:23] <jexmex> ok thanks
[19:23] <Artpicre> But I don't know the name of this file
[19:24] <mickey12> hey, does anyone have suggestions on how to get rid of dns queries for "local" at startup? someone suggested editing /etc/resolv.conf, but it did not help
[19:25] <Slart> !info xchat | sirronb
[19:25] <sirronb> Slart: I get an error during the install - something about "libsexy".
[19:26] <lkjadsmsd> genii-around: okay, but what kind of problems could that be? From the router configuraiton I can read the first dns-nameserver: 217.0.43.97 I can ping this server, so what should go wrong?
[19:26] <Slart> sirronb: can you pastebin the error?
[19:26] <Slart> !pastebin | sirronb
[19:26] <hirru27_> anybody know how to auto enter a passwd using script?
[19:27] <genii-around> lkjadsmsd: Ideally nothing should go wrong. But if 217.0.43.97 for instance has some unforseen problem one day then the other numbers will kick in
[19:28] <Slart> hirru27_: enter a password where? on a web page? in a terminal? for a sudo prompt? ssh connection?
[19:29] <ispirto> hey, is it dangerous to make tune2fs -m 0 on a partition that contains data?
[19:29] <ispirto> or irrelevant?
[19:29] <Guest39021> Hi, I have a problem with gksudo under ubuntu. I have keyboard shortcuts for open programs in super user mode but everytime I use gksu (that act as gksudo under ubuntu) it asks me the password
[19:30] <Guest39021> I'm used to use debian and I have root user enabled. With gksu I can remember the password during the time of the X session. With ubuntu gksudo using tty_ticket authentication method, it asks the password if I run comand from different tty
[19:30] <ni291187> paste.ubuntu.com/5605660/ wilee-nilee
[19:30] <_fdr_> did someone had problems with notify-osd after upgrading to raring ? Mine shows a blue square at the left side, instead of the usual buble
[19:30] <genii-around> ispirto: It's fine because you're reducing it.
[19:31] <mickey12> hey, does anyone have suggestions on how to get rid of dns queries for "local" at startup? someone suggested editing /etc/resolv.conf, but it did not help
[19:31] <ispirto> thanks genii-around
[19:31] <genii-around> ispirto: You're welcome.
[19:31] <Guest39021> How can I save sudo password with gksudo for the time of my X session and only for my X session?
[19:32] <lkjadsmsd> genii-around: one day? it didn't work before adding these additional nameservers. is there a way to make it work without these two lines (for me it seems "only" to be some (good!) work-around)
[19:32] <Slart> Guest39021: was this the thing you tried? http://embraceubuntu.com/2006/01/25/make-sudogksudo-remember-passwords/
[19:32] <wilee-nilee> sorry shutdown hexchat who sent the bootinfo summary url.
[19:33] <wilee-nilee> ni291187, Try the bootrepair basic fix you just need the grub bootloader in the mbr.
[19:34] <wilee-nilee> the sda mbr thatis
[19:34] <ni291187> mbr is hosed I think
[19:34] <sirronb> Slart: SW centre is now saying that it is available from the universe source.
[19:34] <wilee-nilee> ni291187, There is nothing there.
[19:34] <ni291187> I don't think so
[19:35] <Slart> sirronb: oh.. so the problem fixed itself? =)
[19:35] <genii-around> lkjadsmsd: Just add a # at the beginning of the line to disable them if you like.
[19:35] <vlt> Hello. On 12.04 LTS an rtorrent process stopped due to running out of disk space. Now I have some <HASH>.meta files left. Does anyone know whether I can use these .meta files to continue the torrent transfer?
[19:35] <sirronb> Slart: Nope it hasn't installed.
[19:35] <wilee-nilee> ni291187, No boot loader is installed in the MBR of /dev/sda.  you can chroot in and load it, but the bootrepair toll can do this I think.
[19:35] <wilee-nilee> tool*
[19:36] <Slart> sirronb: what happens if you type in "sudo apt-get install xcxhat" in a terminal?
[19:36] <ni291187> I'll try it again..  that last paste crashed bootrepair
[19:36] <ni291187> wilee-nilee
[19:36] <alex-s-77> Any ideas how to get bcm4313 to work again?
[19:36] <ni291187> I'll try again
[19:36] <sirronb> Slart: I'll try that - Just a minute
[19:37] <wilee-nilee> ni291187, Here is a chroot link all you have to do is get in and run grub-install /dev/sda  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing#via_ChRoot
[19:37] <synnyster> Greetings! Does anyone know why my Transmission downloads are pausing themselves at ~4.5MB? I then can't unpause them
[19:37] <sirronb> Slart: E: Unable to locate package xchat
[19:38] <wilee-nilee> ni291187, Then run a update-grub in the chroot, leave the chroot and reboot
[19:38] <Biomechd> do my dropbox contents take up any space on my harddrive? i need to free space so i can upgrade.
[19:38] <ni291187> wilee-nilee could you post again this ipadnirc Pp is giving me hell
[19:38] <Slart> sirronb: hmm, odd.. try this first.. "sudo apt-get update"
[19:38] <Slart> sirronb: then try the other command again
[19:38] <synnyster> Biomechd: yes
[19:39] <synnyster> Biomechd: they will be stored on the dropbox cloud if you choose to delet now, and redownload after updating
[19:39] <mexia> hello guys need some help with my Toshiba C850-1JW. The problem is that I'm trying to install ubuntu 13.04 and I pen drive with ubuntu the screen starts flashing(dont know if this is the best definition, its more like lights turning on and off very fast). Really need to install  it!!!
[19:39] <Biomechd> synnyster: so if i uninstall dropbox, it will clear those files off my computer until i re-install?
[19:40] <wilee-nilee> ni291187, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing#via_ChRoot
[19:40] <ni291187> thx
[19:40] <Zonark> if you delete dropbox files on one device will they be deleted in the cloud too?
[19:40] <mexia> start the pen drive*
[19:40] <wilee-nilee> Zonark, Yes but there are backups, be careful.
[19:40] <alex-s-77> Zonark: that is the whole point of it :-)
[19:42] <synnyster> Biomechd: your dropbox files are stored at ~/Dropbox
[19:43] <synnyster> Biomechd: I am unsure if removal of the Dropbox client will delete your dropbox documents. Check there and on the Dropbox website before and after removal of the client
[19:43] <sirronb> Slart: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5605876/
[19:44] <A-Lo-81_> @synnnyster: if you unlink your Computer from Dropbox first the files on the Dropbox Servers stay how they are regardless what you do with the files on the client PC
[19:45] <synnyster> @Biomechd
[19:45] <Slart> sirronb: ah.. either the repository you're using is down or there's something else wrong with your internet connection.. Try another mirror and see if that fixes things (run Software Sources from the app menu to switch mirrors)
[19:45] <lkjadsmsd> genii-around: hm, after restarting networking services, the two lines disappeared automatically, but now ping google.com works, I don't understand, but as long as its working ... thank you!
[19:45] <Biomechd> so i can temporarily uninstall dropbox and i'll have enough space to upgrade, then?
[19:46] <synnyster> Biomechd Click on the dropbox applet indicator (top right) and it should tell you how much space your Dropbox files are currently using
[19:47] <martin_> Привет
[19:48] <MonkeyDust> !ru
[19:51] <cypher__>  
[19:52] <elisa87> Hi Do you know why am I receiving an error containing this ? called from: main[scripts/crosstool-NG.sh@598
[19:53] <elisa87> when I am installing a software which needs cross-compiler I receive this error : http://paste.ubuntu.com/5605903/
[19:53] <fabio> salve
[19:53] <fabio> !list
[19:54] <sirronb> Slart: Internet connection seems to be fine as I am using the webchat. Plus I dl'd 10 other packages after upgrading to 13.04; I'm lost - It doesn't make sence.
[19:55] <Slart> sirronb: nope.. it's odd.. did you get any error message when doing "sudo apt-get update"?
[19:55] <brendan-_> anyone know how to actually get a hold of canonical for their enterprise stuff like landscape?
[19:56] <blazemore> sirronb: There's an error in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Change "http://za.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ raring/main" to "http://za.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/raring/main" (notice there is a space which shouldn't be there)
[19:56] <sirronb> Slart: None at all that I saw. Want a paste again?
[19:56] <Slart> sirronb: sure
[19:56] <battlehands> Is there a way for me to write the output of a simulation that I'm running using MEVBench to a text file?
[19:57] <genii-around> brendan-_: http://www.canonical.com/enterprise-services/ubuntu-advantage/landscape looks interesting.
[19:57] <blazemore> battlehands: Does MEVBench output its output to the command line?
[19:58] <systemclient> battlehands: yourcommand > output.txt
[19:58] <battlehands> blazemore: yeah
[19:58] <blazemore> battlehands: If so you can redirect the results of a command "foo" to a file "bar" with "foo > bar"
[19:58] <brendan-_> yeah genii-around i filled out their contact form and never heard back
[19:59] <sirronb> Slart: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5605919/
[19:59] <battlehands> I seem to be getting errors when I run this simulation.
[19:59] <gpaXding> hello there
[19:59] <tinay> Hi, I have the problem, that everytime I run dpkg or aptitude it gets stuck Setting up gconf2 (3.2.5-0ubuntu2). Does anyone have an idea how to fix this? Thanks I am on Ubunut 12.04 LTS and the problem began this morning when updating via update manager
[19:59] <gordonjcp> hello, after PXE booting the Ubuntu installer I get no network connection, and Network Manager says "device not managed" - this is on 12.04, 12.10 and 13.04 and possibly others.  What have I missed?
[20:00] <sirronb> blazemore: command to get there please?
[20:00] <Slart> sirronb: odd.. that seems to work.. wonder what's wrong with the xchat package then... of course it might just be something wrong with that package
[20:00] <systemclient> battlehands: do you want to capture the errors as well
[20:00] <blazemore> sirronb: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[20:00] <blazemore> sirronb: Also please run sudo apt-get update after making these changes
[20:00] <Slart> sirronb: weirded things have been known to happen.. did you try another mirror? just to rule out any local problems at that specific mirror
[20:01] <cebor> just upgraded my server to 13.04, my ppa(s) didnt work correctly, i readded them and now it cant update source lists
[20:01] <gpaXding> Are there any tools available to handle mode of the usb ports and to mount directories to share on usb as mass storage device(s) ?
[20:01] <battlehands_> http://pastebin.com/m3vnd0fK  systemclient: I'd like to resolve them :)
[20:01] <blazemore> cebor: The owner of the PPA needs to build their software for the new version of Ubuntu. If a PPA doesn't work, you need to contact the owner of the PPA and ask them to do this
[20:02] <systemclient> battlehands_: I fear that I cannot help you, since I have  no idea what the simulation does
[20:02] <mickey12> hey, does anyone have suggestions on how to get rid of dns queries for "local" at startup? someone suggested editing /etc/resolv.conf, but it did not help
[20:02] <systemclient> blazemore: I have the same issue with my PPA. Is there some easy way to do this? Or build them all by hand again?
[20:02] <sirronb> blazemore: I see there is a few that have the space before "raring" . Should I remove them all?
[20:02] <blazemore> sirronb: Yes, it's just like a URL. You can't have a space in there
[20:03] <jeroen-> how to fix facebook chat in empathy?
[20:03] <cebor> blazemore: i used nodejs ppa, it has already a raring release
[20:03] <blazemore> systemclient: You can just replace "raring" with "quantal" in the PPA sources line for now
[20:03] <Pessimist> jeroen-, I have the same problem
[20:03] <blacksad> it is normal dvd-rw do not boot kubuntu in asus p5q deluxe ? all other linux boot with dvd-rw not kubuntu il download 3 kubuntu and try with 3 different dvd-rw , anybody have suggestion ?
[20:04] <jeroen-> Pessimist: and have you a solution?
[20:04] <systemclient> blazemore: I am up a dev, I am asking how to migrate my PPA
[20:04] <blazemore> blacksad: Try asking in #kubuntu
[20:04] <blazemore> systemclient: I don't know then
[20:04] <systemclient> blazemore: okay, thx anyway
[20:04] <gpaXding> I do not really know what to search for about this (what i think should be a simple issue) to mount a dir to share on usb as mass storage device,,, I mean lots of android phones doesthis
[20:04] <blacksad> blazemore ok i don't now #kubun tu thinks
[20:04] <Pessimist> jeroen-, no. Empathy tells me that there are no contacts online when there are.
[20:05] <jeroen-> Pessimist:  some to me
[20:05] <jeroen-> also in pidgin, same problem
[20:05] <jeroen-> facebook changed something
[20:05] <jeroen-> I presume
[20:09] <Guest39021> Slart: sure, I say this link http://embraceubuntu.com/2006/01/25/make-sudogksudo-remember-passwords/ but it implies security problems. If I close my X session and I login again I haven't to retype password. This show that tty_ticket doesn't depend on my X session but allow to every shell with my user to execute commands
[20:09] <mexia> hello guys need some help with my Toshiba C850-1JW. The problem is that I'm trying to install ubuntu 13.04 and when I launch the installation through pendrive with ubuntu the screen starts flashing(dont know if this is the best definition, its more like lights turning on and off very fast). Really need to install  it!!! ps. it works well on my desktop
[20:10] <Guest39021> *to execute command as rooy
[20:11] <sirronb> blazemore: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5605938/
[20:11] <blazemore> sirronb: OK so do you get any errors now when running apt-get update
[20:12] <Slart> Guest39021: I don't really know how the tty_ticket stuff works.. perhaps it stays until you restart the X-server
[20:12] <sirronb> blazemore: Just saved now - will try again.
[20:12] <Slart> Guest39021: I don't know of any other solutions for making sudo act the way you want
[20:13] <satellit_e> why do the arrow keys not readout on cinnamon menu when arrow keys are used in Orca
[20:14] <sirronb> blazemore: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5605960/
[20:16] <NewBee22> hi, I want to run micro_httpd, I added an entry to /etc/inetd.conf and /etc/services and did a pskill -HUP initd, but the daemon is not working. what could be wrong?
[20:17] <blazemore> OK sirronb do "sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list" again, select and delete everything, and replace it with this http://paste.ubuntu.com/5605976/
[20:19] <sirronb> blazemore: Done - must I apt-get update again?
[20:20] <blazemore> sirronb: Indeed
[20:20] <blazemore> yes
[20:22] <Biomechd> hey, when i first installed ubuntu (in like 10.10 or so) i was able to transfer files between my desktop and laptop through the wireless network. but for the past couple upgrades or so, i haven't been able to do that. i go to log into an account on my desktop and it just keeps popping the thing up.
[20:23] <sirronb> blazemore: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5605986/
[20:23] <wiggy1234> I just installed lubuntu 12.10 on an old dell inspiron 1150 laptop which has a broadcom network, and i can't get the wireless working, i guess the driver isnt installed
[20:23] <blazemore> OK sirronb now try to install the package again
[20:24] <Guest39021> Slart: no problem, thanks for your help
[20:24] <sirronb> blazemore: From terminal or SW centre?
[20:25] <SurrealFox> wiggy1234: Try to see if you have anything under "additional drivers" (settings -> additional drivers)
[20:26] <theadmin> wiggy1234: He means Settings -> Software and Updates -> Additional Drivers
[20:27] <theadmin> SurrealFox: 'twas moved in Quantal
[20:27] <Dr_willis> Biomechd,  for simple file transfers. i tend to use ssh on linux and winscp on windows. easier then fighting with samba/windows shares. Or check out that Unison program to sync  things
[20:27] <Dr_willis> !info unison
[20:28] <Biomechd> Dr_willis: before, it could be done with just the built-in network thing.
[20:28] <sirronb> blazemore: Error is - Failed to fetch http://zm.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libs/libsexy/libsexy2_0.1.11-2build3_amd64.deb  503  Service Unavailable [IP: 41.185.24.23 80]
[20:30] <Dr_willis> Biomechd,  thats samba. and it can be a pain
[20:31] <Dr_willis> !samba | Biomechd  if you want to trouible shoot it- theres tons of docs out..
[20:31] <sirronb> blazemore: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5606013/
[20:33] <cebor> always when i login via ssh to my root: it says "New release '13.04' available." but im already on 13.04 how ca i fix this motd ?
[20:34] <Slaizer> hi all, i installed firestarter and it is blocking a lot of Ip:s, anyone here who could give me advice?
[20:34] <Abrer> cebor: /etc/motd
[20:35] <gordonjcp> Slaizer: uninstall it?
[20:35] <Slaizer> gordonjcp: what do you mean with "ininstall it"?
[20:36] <gordonjcp> Slaizer: remove firestarter and all its weird rules
[20:36] <gordonjcp> Slaizer: you don't need it
[20:36] <Slaizer> gordonjcp: why not use firestarter? it is a good firewall from what I have read.
[20:36] <gordonjcp> Slaizer: are you on a normal desktop machine, with a normal NAT broadband router?
[20:37] <Biomechd> Abrer: could you change the motd to say something funny every time you log in?
[20:37] <theadmin> /etc/motd is generated dynamically on Ubuntu, see /etc/update-motd.d/
[20:37] <Biomechd> not that i'm interested in doing it, but i'm a little curious.
[20:37] <Abrer> Biomechd: Yea
[20:37] <Slaizer> gordonjcp: I am on a normal desktop machine running Ubuntu 12.10. Broadband, with wlan router.
[20:37] <gordonjcp> Slaizer: then you don't need a firewall
[20:37] <opieng> I have upgrade from 12.10 to 13 through the update prompt, I seem to have no end of problems :(
[20:38] <gordonjcp> Slaizer: get rid of it, it'll just cause you bother
[20:38] <Abrer> Forgot Ubuntu has some script to show stats in motd, but you can change it to whatever you want. Cowsay for example.
[20:38] <SonikkuAmerica> !details | opieng
[20:38] <Slaizer> gordonjcp: ok, so i am secured from viruses? the built in ubuntu firewall handles my issue.
[20:38] <gordonjcp> Slaizer: there's no firewall.  There are no viruses.
[20:38] <SurrealFox> I have a sound blaster usb card (sb0270)  that was working on Ubuntu before. Now after I reinstalled 12.04, the card stopped working. It is recognised by Alsa, but no sound can be heared.
[20:39] <gordonjcp> SurrealFox: output unmuted, volume up, correct output socket selected?
[20:39] <ThatOneRoadie> gordonjcp: There are always viruses
[20:39] <theadmin> gordonjcp: Well, Ubuntu does have a built-in firewall (ufw)
[20:39] <opieng> My ubuntu software centre wont open up, version 13.04.
[20:39] <gordonjcp> ThatOneRoadie: there aren't any practicable ones on Linux
[20:39] <sirronb> SonikkuAmerica: Please check this paste and tell me what is wrong ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/5606013/
[20:39] <Slaizer> gordonjcp: it must be some kind of firewall, controling in and out internet activity?
[20:39] <opieng> It just keeps thinking about it, then nothing happens
[20:39] <SurrealFox>  gordonjcp: Checked all this in the Sound Settings gui.
[20:39] <gordonjcp> theadmin: does anyone use that though?
[20:40] <theadmin> gordonjcp: Some people do
[20:40] <gordonjcp> Slaizer: why would it?
[20:40] <ThatOneRoadie> opieng: in terminal do [ sudo do-release-upgrade && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade ]
[20:40] <gordonjcp> theadmin: wonder why?
[20:40] <Slaizer> gordonjcp: used linux mint before, and it has a simple firewall module. why do linux mint use one if that is the case as you say.
[20:40] <ThatOneRoadie> gordonjcp: I use iptables (I prefer it, just out of old habit).
[20:40] <theadmin> sirronb: Try setting a different mirror.
[20:40] <gordonjcp> Slaizer: <shrug>
[20:40] <SonikkuAmerica> sirronb: You ran the wrong command; try [ sudo apt-get -f install ]
[20:41] <theadmin> gordonjcp: Corporate environments, for instance. Limiting outside access...
[20:41] <theadmin> Just one example.
[20:41] <gordonjcp> theadmin: yeah but you wouldn't use a firewall on a desktop machine for that
[20:41] <SonikkuAmerica> ThatOneRoadie: (I see you've adopted my method for referencing terminal commands! lol)
[20:41] <theadmin> gordonjcp: True enough
[20:41] <gordonjcp> theadmin: you'd use ingress and egress filtering on your router...
[20:41] <gordonjcp> theadmin: well now, I say that, *buuuut*... you know how crazy some places are
[20:41] <theadmin> gordonjcp: I have no idea what my router filters or whatever, it just works (tm) :P
[20:42] <gordonjcp> theadmin: let me amend that and say that anyone with a reasonable grasp of networking would have filtering on their firewall/router
[20:43] <SonikkuAmerica> sirronb: If that returns nothing, try installing XChat again.
[20:43] <opieng> ThatOneRoadie, ok, doing that now
[20:43] <celso> people, is it normal, on ubuntu 13.04, after login, the firefox takes 7 or 8 seconds to open while on 12.04 only took half of time( at maximum)? It seems this version uses more the hdd.
[20:43] <opieng> It says No new release found
[20:43] <theadmin> celso: The poblem may be the new extensions Ubuntu introduced to FF - the webapps service etc
[20:44] <Guest77497> Ok so I am trying to run hamatchi in ubuntu 13.04 and My problem is not that its not installed its that I click on configure, When it asks me to configure hamatchi, and nothing pops up at all to allow me to configure hamatchi. and i need to know how to fix it.
[20:44] <woo> I have been on 12.04 for a year and its supported until 2017.  Should I upgrade to 13.04.  Im running steam, spotify and google earth; will these all run correctly under 13.04 x64?
[20:44] <Biomechd> my internet sucks lol. this upgrade's probably going to take all afternoon or something lol
[20:44] <sirronb> SonikkuAmerica: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5606039/
[20:44] <theadmin> woo: You should only upgrade if you need/want the latest Ubuntu features. If that's not the case, and your system works well for you, just keep it as it is.
[20:44] <gordonjcp> gah, this network manager thing is annoying
[20:45] <celso> theadmin: but its not only that.... opening rhythmbox, the nautilus...  on the first use after startup, it takes lots of time to open...
[20:45] <woo> thank you | theadmin
[20:45] <opieng> theadmin, thats what I should have done :(
[20:45] <gordonjcp> when I boot Ubuntu 13.04 via PXE into the "live" desktop, I get no network and Network Manager says "device not managed"
[20:45] <ThatOneRoadie> gordonjcp: I use iptables (I prefer it, just out of old habit), and I log every dropped packet. this is why: http://pastebin.com/G2qZi6V8
[20:45] <gordonjcp> ThatOneRoadie: I don't really know what I'm looking at there
[20:46] <gordonjcp> ThatOneRoadie: looks like some sort of firewall log
[20:46] <ThatOneRoadie> yup
[20:46] <gordonjcp> and what's the significance?
[20:46] <ThatOneRoadie> and that's everything it's blocking. Mostly port probes
[20:46] <gordonjcp> mmm
[20:46] <theadmin> FWIW, I'm on 13.04. It's stable enough but has issues here and there. Surely, the lack of support for a longer period of time is an annoying issue and therefore I wouldn't really recommend anyone to run the intermid releases
[20:46] <ThatOneRoadie> people trying to find a hole in my system and exploit it
[20:46] <gordonjcp> ThatOneRoadie: you couldn't pay me to care about that
[20:46] <celso> well, i am going to reformat it to see if it wass some installation deffect
[20:47] <celso> brb
[20:47] <alexThunder> anyone having hybrid graphics (intel/amd) already upgraded to raring?
[20:47] <Guest77497> Ok so I am trying to run hamatchi in ubuntu 13.04 and My problem is not that its not installed its that I click on configure, When it asks me to configure hamatchi, and nothing pops up at all to allow me to configure hamatchi. and i need to know how to fix it.
[20:47] <SonikkuAmerica> sirronb: The libsexy2 repo may be down for maintenance or overloaded. You can wait and try later, install another client, or use webchat.freenode.net to connect to IRC.
[20:47] <gordonjcp> ThatOneRoadie: the most secure machine is one that is airgapped
[20:47] <ThatOneRoadie> lol
[20:47] <ThatOneRoadie> love that term
[20:47] <gordonjcp> ThatOneRoadie: but that's not hugely useful, for a server
[20:48] <ThatOneRoadie> Guest77497: open a terminal, and type in [ sudo hamachi [
[20:48] <ThatOneRoadie> ]*
[20:48] <ThatOneRoadie> what version do you get?
[20:48] <celso> alexThunder i have intel/ati and its working fair well.
[20:48] <wiggy1234> theadmin: when i go to additional drivers it says Unknown - Unknown
[20:48] <ThatOneRoadie> SonikkuAmerica: What can I say, it's a handy way to mark terminal commands :D
[20:48] <theadmin> ThatOneRoadie: Why would you run some crazy app as root? I doubt it's necessary.
[20:49] <alexThunder> mhmpf
[20:49] <celso> alexThunder i only have issues on shutting down, having a kernel panic but only for 7 or 8 seconds
[20:49] <ThatOneRoadie> theadmin: because the hamachi daemon installs as root, so you need to be root to return a version
[20:49] <alexThunder> celso: are you using catalyst? if so, which version?
[20:49] <sirronb> SonikkuAmerica: I am thinking the same. I'll try again in the morning. Greetings from ZA.
[20:49] <Guest77497> ThatOneRoadie version    : 2.1.0.86
[20:49] <SonikkuAmerica> ThatOneRoadie: I would've used black on gray mIRC colors but we're set to +c
[20:50] <celso> alexThunder no, no. i use the open source drivers with vgaswitcheroo to shutdown ati card.
[20:50] <ThatOneRoadie> it's weird that we're set to +c and I can still send bold and italics
[20:50] <alexThunder> celso: oh, ok
[20:50] <celso> alexThunder although i didn't try disabling the intel one.
[20:50] <Dr_willis> I dident see any bold or italics
[20:51] <ThatOneRoadie> Guest77497: You're on the right version... hmm. Try to remove and reinstall it? It's possible a dependancy was missed
[20:51] <Dr_willis> !info hamachi
[20:51] <ThatOneRoadie> Guest77497: I do most of my hamachi configurations through command line though, so other than making it work via CLI, I'll not be much help
[20:52] <wiggy1234> what do i do in Additional Drivers to get my wifi working?
[20:52] <Dr_willis> wiggy1234,  if it suggests any drivers.. install them
[20:53] <aleks_> Hey! Good Afternoon
[20:53] <Guest77497> ThatOneRoadie: I can do it either way, as long as i got some sort of steps or something, I use hamachi for minecraft and I have reinstalled it twice now to see if that would work and its still doing the same thing
[20:54] <aleks_> i have a problem with my wireless connection
[20:54] <ThatOneRoadie> Guest77497: Do you have your network ID (###-###-###) Handy?
[20:54] <wiggy1234> Dr_willis: it doesnt it just says Unknown Unknown, continue using a manually installed driver
[20:54] <Guest77497> the ip?
[20:54] <Dr_willis> wiggy1234,  and whats your wifi chipset?
[20:54] <wiggy1234> broadcom something
[20:54] <Dr_willis> !broadcom | wiggy1234
[20:55] <Guest77497> ThatOneRoadie: the ip?
[20:55] <aleks_> my wireless network connect and disconnect everytime, can someone help me?
[20:55] <ThatOneRoadie> Guest77497: Check your PM's
[20:55] <Dr_willis> some broadcoms require you to download drivers from their web site. several questions about them on askubuntu.com
[20:55] <dick> hey guys iv got ugly black boxs around my menus
[20:55] <Guest77497> ThatOneRoadie: Ok yeah I will need some steps for that.
[20:56] <explodes> (Ubuntu Server 12.10) How do I configure my user's email address and whatever so that mpt-statusd can email me it needs to? ..it may help to know there is a setting called MAILTO=explodes
[20:56] <aleks_> how can i detect my system drivers?
[20:56] <Jckf> My laptop running 13.04 spins down the harddrive every 10 or so seconds, and then up again after another 10 or so seconds, and keep doing this over and over
[20:56] <silvering> what can be the reason linux wouldnt install from usb stick? when i select install third party.. and click Continue, the flash drive stops blinking and its loading like forever
[20:56] <Jckf> Can I increase this timeout?
[20:57] <ThatOneRoadie> Guest77497: Check your private messages (If you're using the web client, tab at the top that says "ThatOneRoadie")
[20:57] <explodes> silvering: If you dd'd the image to the drive it could've failed. Happened to me last week.
[20:57] <dick> no help on the web
[20:58] <silvering> explodes: not to the drive, i used Universal USB Installer
[20:58] <SonikkuAmerica> silvering: What image did you dd?
[20:59] <silvering> ubuntu-12.10-desktop-i386.iso
[21:00] <fincan> hi, I have a problem with online account&friends app, I cant sign in twitter account
[21:00] <spiff_> Hi all, Is 13.04 so much better than 12.04 will ever be, so it is worth the struggle to upgrade 13.04 in 9 months?
[21:01] <theadmin> spiff_: Nah, not really worth it in my opinion. Yes, it has nice features, but I'd wait for 13.10 when Mir is implemented. Or maybe 14.04, which is the next LTS.
[21:01] <Aww> spiff_, I upgraded from 12.04 to 13.04, I haven't notice a single change.
[21:01] <deadweasel> how to kill the blinking system load indicator?
[21:01] <silvering> whats Mir?
[21:01] <theadmin> silvering: Xorg replacement by Canonical
[21:02] <silvering> i though it doesnt use Xorg anymore, except for manual configuring
[21:02] <theadmin> silvering: Not xorg.conf. The whole graphical system.
[21:02] <theadmin> So far Ubuntu still uses X11
[21:02] <blackstar> hello everyone
[21:03] <silvering> oh.. i see, and whats the df's in mir?
[21:03] <theadmin> silvering: Well, the built-in Gtk/Qt support is one major feature. Search around to find more details, haven't really bothered to look into it too much
[21:04] <silvering> later, im still struggling with installing this sh*t
[21:04] <blackstar> can some one help me to map a command in vim the comm is: ****     :;wq!          **** whenever I miss typo this it deletes the lines
[21:04] <silvering> it runs perfectly from LiveUSB, but it doesnt want to install
[21:04] <spiff_> theadmin, Aww ok.
[21:05] <theadmin> spiff_: I run 13.04, upgraded from 12.04 but ehh, not much changed.
[21:05] <soulflare3> So I'm having a problem with Ubuntu 13.04 and a random disconnect issue. If I run iwconfig I can see the adapter is trying to use 5GHz, but the network I'm connecting to is running at 2.4GHz. If I manually tell it to use 2.4GHz it connects fine, but it will reset itself back to 5GHz. How can I stop this resetting?
[21:06] <fincan> any1 here who can connect twitter with online accounts?
[21:06] <spiff_> thadmin ok. But for a fresh install, would you go for 12.04 or 13.04?
[21:06] <dank101> hi
[21:06] <theadmin> spiff_: Depends. For myself? 13.04, because I prefer to be up-to-date and with the latest features and I'd update as soon as the new release is out anyways. For someone else? 12.04, because longer support is a major advantage.
[21:07] <spiff_> theadmin ok.
[21:07] <shankstaBytes> why isnt
[21:07] <mexia> can anyone here help me with installing ubuntu 13.04 on toshiba C850
[21:07] <shankstaBytes> why isnt jockey installed in 13.04?
[21:07] <shankstaBytes> am i suppose to install Nvidia drivers some other way now?
[21:08] <soulflare3> shankstaBytes, you need bumblebee for nvidia drivers
[21:08] <auronandace> shankstaBytes: through software sources
[21:08] <theadmin> shankstaBytes: It's been integrated into software-properties, see System Settings -> Software & Updates -> Additional Drivers
[21:08] <soulflare3> and install with the repo
[21:08] <theadmin> soulflare3: That's not always necessary, don't suggest things like that without even knowing the exact card
[21:09] <mickey12> hey, does anyone have suggestions on how to get rid of dns queries for "local" at startup? someone suggested editing /etc/resolv.conf, but it did not help
[21:10] <mickey12> no one?
[21:10] <mickey12> :/
[21:11] <lykwydchykyn> mickey12:  What's causing the queries and why is it a problem?
[21:11] <shankstaBytes> ubuntu uses nepomuk?
[21:11] <shankstaBytes> that was a kde thing wasn't it
[21:11] <theadmin> shankstaBytes: No, I don't think that comes with the base setup. Certain KDE apps seem to pull it in, though.
[21:11] <mickey12> lykwydchykyn: i dont know what is causing it
[21:11] <shankstaBytes> ahh
[21:12] <savid> Grr.  I go to install ppasearch, no quantal pkgs >:(
[21:12] <rasengan> Hi, what are some options for improving visibility on or within HiDPI (such as "retina") display devices?
[21:13] <shankstaBytes> 13.04 is feeling more intergrated
[21:13] <shankstaBytes> although it not asking me about Additional Drivers/ Jockey kind of through me off
[21:13] <lmat> I have two partitions, one using Windows, teh other is unformatted. How can I install a dual-boot ubuntu on the free partition?
[21:13] <fincan> I cant connect twitter with online accounts, is there any1 who can connect in 1304?
[21:13] <shankstaBytes> just put the cd in the drive and your off
[21:14] <lmat> (Of course, a link will be fine :) )
[21:14] <theadmin> lmat: Simple enough, boot the LiveDVD and choose "Install Ubuntu alongside Windows", it'll let you use the free space
[21:14] <Biomechd> so is there anything i can install in ubuntu that will allow me to access/transfer files on my windows machine without having to tinker with anything on it?
[21:14] <shankstaBytes> Imat it is seriously easy bro
[21:14] <shankstaBytes> just pick the last option which is "Something Else" when it asks about install choices
[21:14] <soulflare3> So I'm having a problem with Ubuntu 13.04 and a random disconnect issue. If I run iwconfig I can see the wireless card is trying to use 5GHz, but the network I'm connecting to is running at 2.4GHz. If I manually tell it to use 2.4GHz it connects fine, but it will reset itself back to 5+GHz. How can I stop this resetting?
[21:14] <lmat> theadmin: Okay. I tried running the ubuntu CD in windows, and it doesn't give me this option. I should boot the live dvd? It's different?
[21:14] <soulflare3> lmat, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot
[21:14] <blazemore> !patience | soulflare3
[21:14] <shankstaBytes> and then put the root "/" on that unformmated selection
[21:14] <theadmin> lmat: What do you mean, running the CD in Windows?
[21:15] <aleks_> hi
[21:15] <aleks_> my wireless card sucks :( set me offline everytime
[21:15] <aleks_> someone can help me?
[21:15] <FloodBot1> aleks_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:15] <theadmin> lmat: ...Oh, like... wubi.exe thing? Meh, that's not going to be of any help for actual installs anymore
[21:15] <shankstaBytes> you dont run the cd in windows
[21:15] <shankstaBytes> you boot from theCD
[21:15] <lmat> theadmin: Ahh, good to know.
[21:15] <lmat> theadmin: Can I do this on USB?
[21:15] <shankstaBytes> press like F8 or ESC at your POST screen
[21:15] <shankstaBytes> if you can boot from it sure
[21:15] <Biomechd> theadmin: upgrading with a wubi install is fine though, right?
[21:16] <shankstaBytes> the wubi install is gone now
[21:16] <theadmin> lmat: Yes, see this page: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows
[21:16] <shankstaBytes> which it should be
[21:16] <lmat> theadmin: And of course, this will do what I want? ^_^
[21:16] <theadmin> lmat: That'll give you an installable Ubuntu USB stick.
[21:16] <soulflare3> There was a post saying WUBI has issues with 13.04
[21:16] <lmat> theadmin: excellent :)
[21:17] <koushik> hi there
[21:17] <Biomechd> i initially installed ubuntu from wubi, but i've been upgrading from like 11.04 or something.
[21:17] <theadmin> soulflare3: It doesn't "have issues", it simply does't exist anymore, they killed the project
[21:17] <lmat> theadmin: So I can just put the image that I ran wubi from on the usb drive?
[21:17] <theadmin> lmat: Yes
[21:17] <koushik> yes use Unetbootin
[21:18] <koushik> for making the bootable pendrive
[21:18] <lmat> theadmin: Would it offend you if I use yumi? ^_^
[21:18] <theadmin> koushik: unetbootin fails half the time. Ubuntu recommends to use PendriveLinux's Universal USB Installer instead. So follow recommendations.
[21:19] <theadmin> lmat: If it works for you, use that...
[21:19] <lmat> theadmin: I love you.
[21:19] <theadmin> lmat: But it's not the recommended tool so don't blame me if it fails
[21:19] <lmat> nm
[21:20] <fincan> indeed I am the 1 has a problem with twitter online account login?
[21:20] <wiggy1234> Dr_willis: i followed those instructions, they say to apt-get update and then apt-get install b43-fwcutter, and then under Additional Drivers the b43 drivers can be activated. But I don't see any b43 drivers to be activated
[21:21] <subcool_> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install lvm2 E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (5: Input/output error) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[21:21] <Dr_willis> wiggy1234,  the whole extent of my broadcom knowledge.. is the existance of that url.. i dont use them
[21:21] <wiggy1234> Dr_willis: :p ok
[21:21] <Slaizer> hi all, i have minor problem. Not finding my keyring in the seahorse manager. I want to get rid of the question bar which is showing when logging in to Ubuntu. any help is appreciated.
[21:22] <Jpmh> theadmin: when you say "Ubuntu recommends..." where do you find that recommendation, and where do I find that product.  I have always used unetbootin and been happy but if there is something recommended then I would like to give it a try
[21:22] <Dr_willis> subcool,  Input/Output error = disk or fs may be having issues
[21:22] <theadmin> Jpmh: It's linked to from the Ubuntu download page, that's enough of a recommendation for me
[21:22] <Jpmh> theadmin: ty - heading there now
[21:22] <soulflare3> "Windows installer is not compatible with Windows 8 or UEFI firmware, and is not available for Ubuntu 13.04."
[21:22] <soulflare3> found here http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/install-ubuntu-with-windows
[21:23] <Dr_willis> soulflare3,  WUBI is getting killed off basically.. best to avoid it anyway
[21:23] <soulflare3> Dr_willis, I don't use WUBI, I have a native install - was for a post above about WUBI
[21:23] <Jpmh> theadmin: I find no such link there, where should I look?
[21:24] <Dr_willis> I imagine this channel will be a happier place when wubi is just a faint memory.
[21:24] <alejandro_> hello, I need help with my presonus audiobox interface
[21:24] <blazemore> Dr_willis++
[21:25] <silvering> i managed to start the installation
[21:25] <theadmin> Jpmh: Um, like, here: http://i.imm.io/145aK.png
[21:26] <Biomechd> so, anyone?
[21:26] <koushik> yes
[21:26] <koushik> Biomechd
[21:27] <mrbagginsjff> hello all, anyone here know something about nvidia 319-12 driver ?
[21:27] <Pbwizkid> hello all
[21:28] <Dr_willis> !anyone
[21:28] <mrbagginsjff> !details
[21:28] <mrbagginsjff> !gc
[21:29] <wiggy1234> i can't get my wifi working, it's a broadcom network card and I tried the instructions and they didn't work
[21:29] <mrbagginsjff> !poll
[21:29] <Biomechd> koushik: is there anything that i can install to ubuntu that will allow me to access/transfer files between my laptop and windows machine without having to install/tinker with said machine?
[21:29] <Dr_willis> wiggy1234,  broadcom makes a varity of cards/chipsets. You sure those docs were for your chipset?
[21:30] <gar_onn> Biomechd, is it dualboot ?
[21:30] <mrbagginsjff> @Biomechd --> try smb
[21:30] <Jpmh> theadmin: when I go to that page I DO NOT GET the usb pendrive product recommended but the Startup Disc Creator.  I also do not see the pendrive product in the reporitories, whereas I do see startup disc creator and unetbootin.  What am I missing here?
[21:30] <wiggy1234> yup, i got the precise model, chip id, pci id , revision
[21:30] <theadmin> Jpmh: Eeeh, wait, that's the tool recommended for Windows users, not Ubuntu users.
[21:30] <wilee-nilee> mrbagginsjff, The drivers are in the raring release.
[21:30] <theadmin> Jpmh: It's Windows-only.
[21:30] <Biomechd> gar_onn: my laptop is a dualboot, but my windows machine is not.
[21:30] <Dr_willis> wiggy1234,  i would check askubuntu.com for info on that device.  there may be some newer guides
[21:31] <theadmin> Jpmh: On Ubuntu, the usb-creator utility is recommended (although I personally just dd the images to sticks -_-)
[21:31] <wilee-nilee> mrbagginsjff, In a ppa
[21:31] <mrbagginsjff> wilee-nilee, do you know what ppa I have to activate ?
[21:32] <soulflare3> Samba is awesome for transferring between Ubuntu and Windows
[21:32] <Dr_willis> some of the tools from the Pendrivelinux site are nice how they can download and verify the iso. and put more then one ISO on a single flash.
[21:32] <Dr_willis> soulflare3,  when it works.  ;)
[21:33] <Biomechd> soulflare3: problem is, (if samba is the default program that comes automatically included with ubuntu) i can't connect to my windows machine with the built-in networking thing.
[21:34] <wilee-nilee> mrbagginsjff, It is a unstable one and honestly if you can't find it and do it yourself I am hesitant here.
[21:34] <Dr_willis> Samba is not automacially included/installed by default (for a server) but i think the default file manger can access windows shares.
[21:34] <Jpmh> theadmin: ty - glad we are on the same track - I can ceryainly believe that unetnbootin may not be great for Windoze
[21:34] <mrbagginsjff> hehe, I installed it once already, but think that one of my kernel modules wasn't compiled properly
[21:35] <mrbagginsjff> didn't know it was in raring already.
[21:35] <Biomechd> Dr_willis: i'm running the desktop version of ubuntu 12.10 (currently upgrading to 13.04)
[21:35] <mrbagginsjff> I'll look into that, thx for the advice
[21:35] <seberg> so... is there any trick to get a Radeon HD 3450 to just work? ;)
[21:35] <subcool> seberg, nothing just works.
[21:36]  * Biomechd slaps subcool.
[21:36] <seberg> not for me
[21:36] <Biomechd> YES IT DOES!!! it just requires that you perform a magical ritual and sell your soul to the ubuntu overlords.
[21:36] <jbud> Anybody here use the logitech wireless headset? I've upgraded to 13.04 and it doesnt seem to be recognized in the sound devices
[21:36] <seberg> just a bit annoyed :), all ears Biomechd... I faintly remember doing some voodoo for 12.10...
[21:37] <seberg> I mean it works, but transparency is broken for example
[21:37] <aliendude5300> Hi, I installed Ubuntu 13.04 over my working 12.10 install and my system is now broken. It is notable that I dual-boot with Windows 8.
[21:37] <k1l_> Biomechd: are you mixing samba and gvfs?
[21:37] <aliendude5300> when I boot I get this: "error: file /boot/grub/i386-pc/normal.mod not found"
[21:37] <blackstar> I need some help in vim, can someone help e to map a command *** :;wq! *** to something else, my issue is whenever I miss typo this command is deletes all lines in between
[21:38] <Biomechd> k1l_: what's the default program that comes installed on ubuntu that allows you to view and access other machines on the network?
[21:38] <aliendude5300> Now I can't boot into Ubuntu or Windows and I don't know how to fix it. Can someone please help me?
[21:38] <Dr_willis> Biomechd,  ssh gives you a remote shell. but ssh server is not installed by default
[21:38] <bazhang> !find remmina
[21:38] <Biomechd> aliendude5300: is it possible that your boot thing is messed up?
[21:38] <bazhang> !info remmina
[21:39] <Dr_willis> Biomechd,  the file manger can access remove servers. but theres no default services.
[21:39] <k1l_> Biomechd: gnome based desktops use nautilus and gvfs
[21:39] <gar_onn> aliendude5300, can you get to the GRUB of the windows bootloader ?
[21:39] <aliendude5300> Biomechd, I know that my boot thing is messed up. I don't know how to fix it
[21:39] <gar_onn> *or
[21:39] <aliendude5300> gar_onn, I can't even get to the GRUB menu
[21:39] <aliendude5300> I get a grub rescue prompt when booting
[21:39] <Biomechd> k1l_: it seems like after going from gnome to unity, that aspect started messing up.
[21:40] <aliendude5300> I installed 13.04 from the CD on top of 12.10 without formatting, since I didn't want to lose my /home
[21:40] <aliendude5300> 13.04 broke GRUB and I can't boot at all now
[21:40] <Biomechd> aliendude5300: there's a program you can install and run from a liveboot that will allow you to fix the boot manager.
[21:41] <Dr_willis> aliendude5300,  a live cd + the boot-repair tool works for many people
[21:41] <Dr_willis> !fixgrub
[21:41] <Dr_willis> perhaps someday they will include boot-repair by default. ;P
[21:41] <gar_onn> aliendude5300, can you run update-grub in the  rescue prompt ?
[21:41] <yeats> aliendude5300: do you have /home on a separate partition?
[21:41] <aliendude5300> Yeats: no
[21:41] <aliendude5300> gar_onn, I'll try
[21:42] <soulflare3> Biomechd, you need to check several settings in the Samba Server Configuration to make sure that Windows is being allowed access to the shares, as well as making sure the computers are on the same workgroup, whether or not the shares are visible, etc
[21:42] <soulflare3> Biomechd, are you doing shares or machines?
[21:42] <yeats> aliendude5300: then you'll need to back it up and reinstall - if you don't format anything, you aren't really upgrading :-/
[21:42] <aliendude5300> gar_onn, no, that does not work
[21:42] <yeats> aliendude5300: when you reinstall, put /home on its own partition
[21:42] <gar_onn> can you run ubuntu from your live-CD ?
[21:43] <deadweasel> where can I save a file on an usb-creator made liveUSB with  4GB persistence partition?
[21:43] <aliendude5300> gar_onn: yes, I can
[21:43] <Biomechd> yeats: does that mean that upgrading from 12.10 to 13.04 will cause problems? i have a wubi install.
[21:43] <wilee-nilee> deadweasel, what file?
[21:43] <MonkeyDust> wubi :(
[21:43] <jbud> Biomechd: I don't think it'd work? 13.04 doesn't support wubi anymore
[21:43] <deadweasel> a 1.1mb trucrypt file wilee-nilee
[21:44] <yeats> Biomechd: upgrading is different
[21:44] <Dr_willis> Biomechd,  you upgraded a wubi install to 13.04 ?
[21:44] <MonkeyDust> Biomechd  IIRC, it's not possibe to upgrade wubi
[21:44] <Biomechd> soulflare3: i'm into conveniences, and don't like having to get up and go to my other computer to transfer files.
[21:44] <yeats> Biomechd: and I can't speak to wubi - I would recommend dual booting
[21:44] <wilee-nilee> deadweasel, Copy and paste it to somewhere else.
[21:44] <gar_onn> aliendude5300, you could try to install again over your failed instalation
[21:44] <k1l_> Biomechd: wubi will cause problems. no matter what you do. go for a native install
[21:44] <Biomechd> to everyone talking to me about wubi, it's a wubi dualboot.
[21:44] <deadweasel> anywhere on the USB?
[21:44] <deadweasel> wilee-nilee:
[21:44] <aliendude5300> I think I'm just going to copy my /home to my 1TB external, wipe it, and reinstall
[21:45] <Dr_willis> Wubi dual boot is a little redundant.. a 'normal' dual boot has its own seperate partions. a 'wubi' install installs to a file on the windows drive
[21:45] <Dr_willis> Upgradeing wubi installs has always been problematic
[21:45] <deadweasel> or the .disk folder?
[21:45] <MonkeyDust> Biomechd  wubi is a pseudo-installation inside windows
[21:45] <wilee-nilee> deadweasel, If it is a file only where ever you want it. A persistent usb will fill up the casper-rw eventually so beware of being bricked.
[21:45] <deadweasel> gotcha, that's all I need on there.
[21:45] <gar_onn> aliendude5300, I think that might actually be the best thing you can do
[21:46] <Biomechd> MonkeyDust: it's a school laptop and i didn't wanna mess it up by native-dualbooting it.
[21:46] <yeats> Biomechd: dual-booting isn't messing it up any more than wubi :-)
[21:47] <MonkeyDust> Biomechd  a dual boot is more normal and efficient than a wubi pseudo-installation
[21:47] <Dr_willis> Ive ran full installs from a 8gb+ sized usb flash drives. ;) seems to work ok.. not super fast. but good enough for 'work'
[21:47] <MonkeyDust> Biomechd  wubi means 'will ultimately be inefficient'
[21:48] <Physicist> greetings. how can I access a windows pc from linux?
[21:48] <aliendude5300> off topic: they really should make the live environment run faster. maybe copy the essentials to ram or something :/
[21:48] <Physicist> I mean, HACK..
[21:48] <k1l_> Physicist: wrong channel for that
[21:48] <Physicist> I already have the IP
[21:48] <MonkeyDust> Physicist  open nautilus, click on the windows paritition on the left
[21:48] <Dr_willis> alien2050,  there used to be a 'toram' option. but with 12.10+ being on DVD..  thats a lot of ram
[21:49] <Physicist> MonkeyDust: Another PC.. not mine
[21:49] <Biomechd> yeats and MonkeyDust: i figured it would be far easier and safer to just install wubi as a program since it allowed me to have ubuntu on my laptop without having to mess with anything that complex and wubi just handled most of the stuff for me.
[21:49] <Physicist> k1l_: ..|.
[21:49] <theadmin> Physicist: That's illegal and nobody on Freenode will help you with that.
[21:49] <Dr_willis> Physicist,  if the other pc is on the lan and working as a file server.  You can use the connect to server feature of nautilus
[21:49] <MonkeyDust> Biomechd  true, but it's only pseudo, it's not 'real', wubi is for testing purposes, not for production
[21:49] <theadmin> Dr_willis: (s)he did say "hack"
[21:49] <yeats> Biomechd: it's totally up to you, but you will probably need to uninstall 12.10 wubi, then install 13.04 wubi
[21:50] <yeats> Biomechd: or just stay on 12.10 until you're on your own machine
[21:50] <Dr_willis> there is no 13.04 wubi last i heard...
[21:50] <theadmin> yeats: There's no 13.04 wubi, it's killed off, the last supported release was 12.10
[21:50] <Biomechd> yeats: people have been saying wubi was killed for 13.04
[21:50] <yeats> oh?
[21:50]  * yeats didn't know that
[21:50] <bcbc2> Biomechd: you can upgrade it.
[21:50] <k1l_> wubi is removed from support for 13.04
[21:50] <Dr_willis> and we jump  up and down on it to make sure it dont come back  ;)
[21:50] <MonkeyDust> Biomechd  if you like messing with your pc
[21:50] <Vampir3> hi everybody, i try to install ubuntu 13.04 from usb twice, in both of them the installation was complete but grub dont install and system boot only windows
[21:51] <yeats> Dr_willis: :-D
[21:51] <bcbc2> There is a 13.04 wubi.exe on releases.ubuntu.com/13.04
[21:51] <OerHeks> there is 13.04 wubi, it will be discontinued in 13.10 AFAIK
[21:51] <Vampir3> how can i solve this problem?
[21:51] <MonkeyDust> Biomechd  wubi is utterly inferior to a 'real' installation
[21:51] <Biomechd> bcbc2: so upgrading a 12.10 wubi ubuntu to 13.04 will be fine?
[21:51] <Dr_willis> 'wubi and fine' in the same sentance. rarely seems to happen
[21:51] <gar_onn> Biomechd, you can just do `sudo do-release-upgrade`
[21:51] <bcbc2> Biomechd: yeah. Take precautions. The upgrade tool underestimates the space required so make sure you have 3 GB free
[21:51] <yeats> Biomechd: pretty much everybody in here is recommending against that ;-)
[21:52] <wilee-nilee> bcbc2, Thanks for confirming that I had thought it was discontinued. ;)
[21:52] <gar_onn> tor use the updater
[21:52] <theadmin> bcbc2: wubi.exe on the ISO is just a tool to reboot nowadays, basically. It also includes the CD boot helper which can include the CD in the Windows bootloader.
[21:52] <bcbc2> Biomechd: also, you can backup the \ubuntu\disks\root.disk from Windoows first if you run into probs
[21:52] <soulflare3> WUBI info: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/install-ubuntu-with-windows
[21:52] <bcbc2> wilee-nilee: I think it is officially discontinued
[21:52] <bcbc2> don't know why it's there. but it is and it's signed by canonical
[21:53] <MonkeyDust> even now wubi is 'dead', it still upsets people
[21:53] <Dr_willis> MonkeyDust,  its like a dead goldfish no one wants to scoop out of the tank...
[21:53] <theadmin> MonkeyDust: I personally am glad. WUBI installs are slow because very few ever heard of defragmentation.
[21:54] <aliendude5300> theadmin, I thought you didn't have to defrag a Linux install
[21:54] <Dr_willis> alien2050,  wubis disk files exist ON a fragmented NTFS (or can)
[21:54] <Biomechd> so i freed about 1.9gb before upgrading (since i only had around .9 before), so i thought i'd be fine.
[21:54] <bcbc2> theadmin: ok that makes sense. Don't think many people use the cd boot helper, but interesting to know
[21:54] <theadmin> Dr_willis: They don't "can", they do because they're over 4GB and Windows supports only FAT and NTFS, so... NTFS is the only option for wubi
[21:55] <darren> hi all, can anyone offer some advice on setting iptables rules to block incoming traffic?
[21:55] <soulflare3> I always noticed that WUBI was a lot slower than a true Ubuntu install on an EXT3/EXT4 partition
[21:55] <yeats> darren: try using UFW
[21:55] <Vampir3> hi everybody, i try to install ubuntu 13.04 from usb twice, in both of them the installation was complete but grub dont install and system boot only windows
[21:55] <wilee-nilee> bcbc2, Yeah I'm in W8 not a uefi right now it is downloading 13.04
[21:55] <bcbc2> Biomechd: 1.9  might work but it's cutting it fine
[21:56] <bcbc2> Biomechd: I'd say minimum of 3GB
[21:57] <Biomechd> bcbc2: is it okay to pause the "getting new packages" process so i can get my laptop wirelessly connected to my desktop and backup my files?
[21:57] <bcbc2> Biomechd: if it's still getting new packages you can cancel and resume later. It's only once it starts the upgrade that you're in trouble
[21:58] <soulflare3> Vampir3, Try this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[21:58] <Biomechd> bcbc2: it's only like 1/4 done with package-getting anyway.
[21:59] <bcbc2> Biomechd: then cancel. It's better to make a backup before upgrading.
[21:59] <Elephant454> How long is the update supposed to take, excluding the download time.
[22:00] <darren> yeats: thank you I will have a look at that
[22:00] <theadmin> Elephant454: Depends on how much extra software you installed/removed and also what kind of hard drive you have. Hard to tell.
[22:00] <Elephant454> Ok. In most cases, is it hours like it says? A completely fresh installation would take hours to update?
[22:01] <Kion> is it ok to update to 13.04 now or are the servers very busy and I shold wait a couple weeks or so?
[22:01] <Dr_willis> Elephant454,  it has in the past for me yes..
[22:01] <Dr_willis> Kion,  i would wait a few days. or use the torrents to get the iso and upgrade that way
[22:01] <Elephant454> Ok, I better hold off on it for now then. Thank you!
[22:01] <bazhang> Elephant454, of the latest? via http or torrent? or did you mean an online version upgrade
[22:01] <Kion> Dr_willis: how do I upgrade with the iso?
[22:01] <Elephant454> I meant through an existing installation.
[22:01] <darren> yeats: i originally looked at ufw but I attempting to block all incoming access on a certain port and filter on MAC address to only allow a couple of devices access
[22:01] <Dr_willis> Kion,  mount it and i belive it asks..   I always do clean installs
[22:01] <Kion> Dr_willis: sounds like torrent is the way to go
[22:02] <darren> not sure if that is possible on ufw
[22:02] <Elephant454> I'm going to try that too! :D
[22:02] <bazhang> Elephant454, well, it was released yesterday, so the servers would be slower
[22:02] <Kion> Dr_willis: is there a particular reason to do clean installs instead of upgrading?
[22:02] <Dr_willis> upgrades take longer..
[22:02] <Dr_willis> and can be problematic
[22:03] <Dr_willis> I also beta test a LOT of things during beta so it gives me a clean slate
[22:03] <Elephant454> Yea. That makes sense. I'm going to try and get a .iso from torrent. Thank you everyone. :)
[22:03] <Kion> Dr_willis: I see, for me it will be an upgrade since I have so much software and configurations that would not like to start over
[22:03] <Dr_willis> i rarely have any fancy configs that are not allreay backed up to UbuntuOne
[22:03] <Kion> Dr_willis: Are the isos available at the main ubuntu site?
[22:03] <Biomechd> so the program i've been talking about this whole time for accessing/transferring files over the network wirelessly is the default "browse networks" thing
[22:03] <yeats> darren: yeah - I don't see per-MAC address options in gufw
[22:04] <SN3> hi
[22:04] <Dr_willis> Biomechd,  thats  the nautilus file manager 'server browse' feature.
[22:04] <SN3> does ubuntu 13.04 come with gnome 3.18?
[22:04] <SN3> 3.8*
[22:04] <wilee-nilee> SN3, no
[22:05] <wilee-nilee> a full 3.8 is pointed at 11.10
[22:05] <wilee-nilee> 13.10*
[22:05] <SN3> wilee-nilee is it possible to install it?
[22:05] <Dr_willis> i belive theres some 3.8 ppa's out there.
[22:05] <aliendude5300> my ubuntu live cd feels really unstable. it frequently freezes and I get loads of kernel error messages. really odd. I verified the integrity of it too. :/
[22:06] <wilee-nilee> SN3, NOt a stable version as far as I have read.
[22:06] <darren> yeats: that is a shame I will have to see if I can think of a way around it. Thanks for your help
[22:06] <Elephant454> Would an upgrade from a DVD be faster than updating it from inside Ubuntu?
[22:06] <aliendude5300> maybe my hardware is too new for 13.04
[22:06] <SN3> then I am looking for another distro
[22:06] <SN3> I love to use gnome
[22:06] <Dr_willis> Elephant454,  since the iso is allready downloaded (via the blazeing fast torrents) i would think so
[22:06] <Elephant454> Why not just use gnome with ubuntu?
[22:06] <yeats> darren: some examples are here: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/iptables-mac-address-filtering.html
[22:06] <SN3> any one knows a distro with gnome 3.8 as default?
[22:06] <Dr_willis> SN3,  i dont think any exist yet. since 3.8 is so new
[22:07] <k1l_> !ot | SN3
[22:07] <wilee-nilee> Elephant454, I don't think you can do a upgrade and save data with a disc anymore used to be the alternative disc did
[22:07] <Dr_willis> SN3,  try the 3.8 ppa and see if it works.
[22:07] <Elephant454> Hmm...
[22:07] <Dr_willis> !upgrade
[22:07] <Elephant454> I might have to wait then. Darn. :/
[22:07] <Dr_willis> I thought the desktop cd had that feature since 12.04
[22:08] <k1l_> Elephant454: there is a gnome ubuntu since 13.04
[22:08] <Elephant454> I'll see if I can update from the CD anyways. I bet the torrent is almost done anyways. XD
[22:08] <Dr_willis> Elephant454,  yep. they are fast for now
[22:08] <bazhang> wilee-nilee, sure you can
[22:08] <bazhang> wilee-nilee, I just did it a few hours ago
[22:09] <wilee-nilee> bazhang, I was just reading that yeah, my mistake.
[22:09] <bazhang> Elephant454, you most assuredly CAN
[22:09] <Biomechd> Dr_willis: okay, so now how do i get it connecting to my windows machine?
[22:10] <Dr_willis> Biomechd,  i just use the connect to server dialog. or browse the windows network and click..
[22:10] <darren> yeats: cheers. That is one of the pages I was reading trying to get this working but it wasnt having it :). I could block specific devices but then when i blocked all traffic and added an accept for a certain mac it still got dropped
[22:10] <Dr_willis> or enter the server name/share  -> smb://ip.of.server.orname/sharename
[22:10] <k1l_> Biomechd: like i told you before. that is gvfs
[22:10] <Dr_willis> !manual | Biomechd
[22:11] <Kion> Dr_willis: seems to me like the iso torrent is for a clean install
[22:11] <Biomechd> urg. it's saying it can't mount the file shares.
[22:11] <Dr_willis> Kion,  the desktop cd can do a upgrade.. from what was mentioned above
[22:11] <darren> yeats: it seems as though if there is a drop all on a certain port it will drop everything even if there is an accept higher in the list. If that makes sense
[22:11] <Dr_willis> Biomechd,  you made some guest shares on the windows box? tried disabling its firewall to test?
[22:12] <Kion> Dr_willis: Ok I hope I do not mess up my system because it is a production machine for me!
[22:12] <Biomechd> Dr_willis: no, i haven't made any guest shares. i'm just trying to access my account on it.
[22:12] <Dr_willis> Kion,  then you should have backups befor you upgrade
[22:12] <bazhang> Kion, the iso can do a version upgrade
[22:12] <Dr_willis> Biomechd,  make a guest share and see.. could be a windows settin thats causing the issues
[22:12] <Kion> Dr_willis: for my past experience the download through the update manager is waaay bigger than the iso image
[22:13] <soulflare3> Biomechd, Are you using Windows 7 by any chance?
[22:13] <Kion> bazhang: So I mount it and it will guide me?
[22:14] <bazhang> Kion, you would need some kind of media, such as dvd or usb stick
[22:14] <Dr_willis> I thought ive mounted the iso file befor and got asked to upgrade..
[22:14] <Dr_willis> but it might have seen the ISO file i had just imaged to the usb..
[22:14] <Kion> bazhang: Ok got that I will burn it to a usb via unetbootin and start from it right?
[22:15] <bazhang> Kion, correct
[22:15] <Kion> bazhang: Thanks! I guess I will go the torrent way, so That I also seed the iso for other people
[22:17] <soulflare3> Was there someone before asking about twitter in 13.04?
[22:20] <Michael87> wow 13.04 is impressive. beats 12.10 by a mile. so question. Ubuntu tweak doesn't seem to open on ubuntu 13.04 on live mode. how do I change the window theme without ubuntu tweak? I just made a .theme folder in home after showwing hidden and I don't know what to do from here
[22:21] <pantza> Michael87, i think there was a post about unity tweak on noobslab
[22:22] <abhi_> \server irc.irchighway.net
[22:23] <Michael87> pantza I opened up theme with unity tweak and still can't find the theme I set up in .theme folder
[22:24] <Kion> What are the major improvements between 12.10 and 13.04 ?
[22:25] <jrib> !notes | Kion
[22:25] <pantza> Michael87, hmm i think there are two ways to get themes to work
[22:25] <Michael87> Kion, speed. Damn sure about that. So much so I am thinking about switching from windows 7.
[22:25] <Kion> ubottu: Thanks for the link
[22:26] <Barnabas> windows vs ubuntu - speed is not the issue - ubuntu is faster ..
[22:26] <Kion> Michael87: I would not dare to return to windows ever !
[22:27] <onr> Barnabas: not on my netbook
[22:27] <Michael87> well I am thinking about it for the 3rd time on my laptop. I love windows 7 but 8 is an insalt and open source has so many options. Including kde. but I love the unity toolbar
[22:28] <onr> i read on forums people using Unity on their netbooks, mine is horribly slow
[22:28] <Michael87> onr, try 13.04 in live mode. it might surprise XD
[22:29] <Kion> Michael87: I have foud all sourts of great and productive software for linux , besides I will let me fully control my computer!
[22:29] <onr> Michael87: tried both live and installed. there's a driver issue
[22:31] <jontyyandroid> Hi, ive just upgraded to 13.04 and im getting kernel panic, would somebody please be able to help
[22:31] <Michael87> onr, sad. Well it just came out. It will need time to settle. your probably one of the ones using cinnamon
[22:35] <Kion> I just read in the ubuntu page: Offline upgrade options via alternate CDs are no longer offered for Ubuntu Desktop and Ubuntu Server. Please ensure you have network connectivity to one of the official mirrors or to a locally accessible mirror and follow the instructions above
[22:35] <Michael87> dang, has anyone figured out how to install a new theme on ubuntu 13.04?
[22:35] <Dr_willis> The alternative cd - is no longer around since 12.04
[22:36] <Poisoned_Dragon> Dr_willis, It depends on the flavor.
[22:37] <Kion> Dr_willis: Ok but then that does not mean we cant do it from the iso ...
[22:37] <MonkeyDust> Michael87  extract to ~/.themes, use unity-tweak to select it <== wild guess
[22:37] <robertzaccour> If I install Cinnamon desktop will it function the same as it does in Mint?
[22:37] <Dr_willis> robertzaccour,  try it and see.. since its not an official ubuntu package.. we dont know
[22:37] <theocdethinker> woah
[22:37] <Michael87> MonkeyDust, did that. Unity-tweak not reading the folder :
[22:37] <theocdethinker> there are a lot of people in here today
[22:38] <Poisoned_Dragon> Although, I did do xubuntu via the min install.
[22:38] <Michael87> MonkeyDust, p.s. I am running 13.04 in live mode
[22:38] <MonkeyDust> Michael87  try gnome-tweak-tool
[22:38] <woah> yes?
[22:38] <theocdethinker> Did they switch to that new XServer replacement in 13.04?
[22:38] <Michael87> MonkeyDust, hmmm ok I will try that next
[22:38] <Dr_willis> theocdethinker,  no.
[22:38] <jontyyandroid> Is it possible to fix kernel panic not syncing without a live cd?
[22:38] <theocdethinker> Dr_willis: did they drop that idea?
[22:39] <iLogical> in the last ubuntu my internal mic worked perfectly
[22:39] <iLogical> now it's not
[22:39] <Dr_willis> theocdethinker,  which idea re you refering to. with their move towards the mobile/phone/tablet. i think they are develping 'mir'
[22:39] <wilee-nilee> !details > iLogical
[22:40] <iLogical> ubuntu 13.04, pulseaudio, i change the volume of all the mixer on pulseaudio mixer
[22:40] <iLogical> but nothing
[22:40] <iLogical> select controls etc
[22:42] <iLogical> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/1127699
[22:43] <sylank> hy
[22:48] <tat-> Someone should add the ubuntu 13.04 isos to ipv6.torrent.ubuntu.com :-)
[22:49] <Dr_willis> !torrents
[22:49] <Dr_willis> cant say ive ever notced an ipv6 torrent. ;)
[22:51] <Dr_willis> bbl
[22:51] <tat-> Dr_willis: the torrent-files points to the tracker on http://ipv6.torrent.ubuntu.com/ in addition to http://torrent.ubuntu.com/, but they doesnt exist on the ipv6-tracker :-)
[22:51] <dn4> what is the command to see a list of the /dev/sdX ?
[22:51] <dn4> lsblk ?
[22:51] <tat-> dn4: lsblk works, ls /dev/sd? should also do the trick :-)
[22:52] <wilee-nilee> dn4, sudo fdisk -l
[22:53] <Guest95375> lll
[22:53] <Biomechd> so i'm reading through my smb.conf file trying to get things set up (hopefully) and it refers me to /usr/share/doc/samba-doc/htmldocs/Samba3-HOWTO/ServerType.html, but the directory in my system stops at /usr/share/doc because "samba-doc" doesn't exist.
[22:54] <n47781> how do I reach the terminal from Ubuntu desktop?
[22:55] <Biomechd> n47781: ctrl-alt-t, i think, or alt-t if that doesn't work, or ctrl-t if neither works.
[22:55] <n47781> thanks!
[22:55] <wilee-nilee> n47781, ctrl-alt-t or hot the windows key and type terminal or click the top button in the left panel and type terminal
[22:55] <wilee-nilee> hit*
[22:55] <Biomechd> i just have a shortcut for it in my unity dash
[22:56] <n47781> ctrl-alt-t worked, should be fine to memorize and use just that then.
[22:57] <Biomechd> i can never remember which one it is, so i just try them all until one works when i can't just click on my "terminal" shortcut
[22:57] <n47781> havent really used linux much before but right now considering to replace my windows8 with ubuntu, been thinking about it for a while..  I just tried the "try ubuntu" before installing it now..   think I will succeed installing it and all if I try installing it now? Ive got 2 harddisks, not sure how Id tell Ubuntu how to assign the space correctly and all,but mayb it shouldnt be a problem, or
[22:57] <n47781> can be done after install..?
[22:57] <Biomechd> (like when unity decides to crash on me, for example)
[22:57] <n47781> windows7*^^
[22:58] <Biomechd> n47781: once you go ubuntu, you'll pretty much only use windows for gaming.
[22:59] <n47781> yeah cool.  im hoping to find ways to play some games on linux too, to hopefully avoid win completely
[22:59] <Biomechd> n47781: you'll probably encounter issues with that. i don't think wine can play windows games.
[23:04] <n47781> Biomechd: yeah maybe a bit tricky and impossible with many games.. but Im gonna try. I think most/all games I plan on playing for a while will work on Linux with some tweaking.. I also think Steam is released for Linux/Ubuntu now, with a bunch of Linux-compatible games aswell
[23:05] <bobolopolis> Steam is available and has worked quite well for me
[23:06] <RanD0m> Greetings.
[23:06] <compdoc> bobolopolis, for games?
[23:07] <bobolopolis> compdoc: Yeah, although the selection is much more limited than Windows.
[23:07] <compdoc> bobolopolis, what vid card?
[23:09] <bobolopolis> compdoc: I'm using an AMD 7970 in my desktop, Intel HD 3000 in my laptop.  The AMD works fine with the fglrx driver, haven't tried games on the open source driver.
[23:09] <pantza> steam works very well for me
[23:09] <compdoc> bobolopolis, thanks
[23:12] <n47781> im in Ubuntu12.04 desktop install now and for "Installation Type" I can choose to install Ubuntu "..alongside Win7", "Replace Win7 with Ubuntu" and "Something else".  I have 2 disks, one 2TB-sized one, and another 500gb one.. any idea if it will take use of them both if I pick "Replace Win7 with Ubuntu" ?     Afraid I dont understand enough to use the partition manager thing in "Something
[23:12] <n47781> else".. but will try if its the best way
[23:12] <Malgorath> n47781, are you wanting to completely remove windows?
[23:13] <n47781> yes, and removing all files on both disks is also fine
[23:13] <n47781> ( i have backup on an external disk i hope to reach after installing Ubuntu )
[23:13] <Malgorath> n47781, Which drive is your 'primary' drive? As in which one boots?
[23:13] <n47781> 500gb
[23:14] <n47781> but uh, i think something weird happened with it once.. so some of the boot files (boot manager?) is on the 2tb disk..  :s  not all sure bout it..
[23:14] <Malgorath> It will most likely just install it all to that drive and skip the 2TB drive
[23:14] <n47781> oh.. k, so Ill have to figure out the 'Someting else'-option then.. k.. thanks, will try..
[23:15] <Malgorath> If you want to use both hard drives, click te something else. Make 1 swap partition on it, make the rest a root partion (mount: /)
[23:15] <Jordan_U> n47781: To have Ubuntu make use of both disks for the actual installation you'd need to use the "Something else" option, though of course you can always just install to one disk and use the other however you'd like.
[23:15] <asadpakistani> where can i find a collection of 1980x1080 grub background images....or how can make my own
[23:15] <Malgorath> n47781, then make the 2TB drive 1 partition and mount it as /home
[23:15] <Jordan_U> asadpakistani: Find a 1980x1080 PNG file, or make your own.
[23:15] <timh> guys anyone has toshiba brightness working with intel videocard?
[23:16] <asadpakistani> Jordan_U: i tried saving it as a tga in gimp...no luck
[23:16] <Malgorath> that way your directhas the most storage capacity and if you have to reinstall, you have the option to do so without formatting and loosing everything
[23:16] <n47781> k,thanks.. will try..
[23:16] <Jordan_U> asadpakistani: I really meant PNG. Grub supports PNG files (unless you mean grub legacy, in which case you're on your own).
[23:17] <Malgorath> n47781, there are a few articles on multipe drive setup for ubuntu out there on google
[23:17] <Anti-Sleep> Greetings.
[23:18] <Biomechd> go to sleep Anti-Sleep.
[23:18] <Anti-Sleep> Heh.
[23:19] <Jordan_U> asadpakistani: grub also supports jpeg, but why go with a lossy format :)
[23:20] <Biomechd> Jordan_U: because it's like "glossy" without the "g", yo!
[23:20] <Biomechd> lol
[23:21] <AndChat|15> Ubuntu is slower than suse
[23:23] <AndChat|15> Nvidia problem
[23:24] <Biomechd> gawd dayum envideeuh!
[23:24] <AndChat|15> Why is ubuntu so slow
[23:24] <alien2050> ne1 knows if there is a way to dynamically change the title of any gnome window, for example I want to add the time a certain app was started or some other info, at the end of, for example, "firefox" app, or "pidgin", or "vnc" application? I can see it's feasible with gnome-terminal but only because the application has the option to do it... is there a generic way that would wrap around gnome (like some other tool...) ? thx
[23:24] <macwolf74> AndChat|15, maybe wrong video drivers?
[23:24] <aliendude5300> were workspaces removed in 13.04?
[23:25] <Jordan_U> AndChat|15: Can you pastebin the output of "glxinfo"? (You may need to install glxinfo first).
[23:25] <Jordan_U> aliendude5300: No.
[23:25] <macwolf74> aliendude5300, no, just go into appearance on the settings, and then go in that other tab
[23:25] <AndChat|15> Opensuse is faster
[23:25] <macwolf74> the option will be there
[23:25] <crash_cy> Trying to get a usb wireless Logitech mouse working on my laptop (running Ubuntu 12.10).  It shows up under lsusb as "Logitech Unifying Receiver"
[23:25] <papachan> AndChat|15: disagree
[23:25] <macwolf74> that tab is behavior aliendude5300
[23:26] <Amin> Hello all
[23:26] <aliendude5300> ah, thanks
[23:26] <macwolf74> =)
[23:26] <macwolf74> yw
[23:26] <papachan> AndChat|15: ubuntu is faster, i really appreciate the change to 13.04
[23:26] <Awolf> hello all I just upgraded to Ubuntu 13.04
[23:27] <AndChat|15> Wireless keyboards work here logitech
[23:27] <AndChat|15> Is 13.04 beta
[23:27] <Jordan_U> AndChat|15: No, it has been released.
[23:27] <macwolf74> nope
[23:27] <macwolf74> released just yesturday
[23:27] <crash_cy> AndChat, did you have to do anything special to set it up?  Did you set it up post install?  Really don't want to have to reinstall Ubuntu to get it setup
[23:28] <Awolf> Empathy isnt connectig to fb
[23:28] <macwolf74> crash_cy, you can just use the update manager and upgrade if you are on 12.10
[23:28] <Awolf> authentication failure
[23:28] <Awolf> i checked everything on fb
[23:28] <Awolf> and otherthings
[23:28] <Awolf> nothings wrong
[23:28] <Awolf> any sollutions
[23:28] <macwolf74> did you restart?
[23:28] <Awolf> no solution
[23:29] <macwolf74> that helped for me
[23:29] <macwolf74> oh
[23:29] <Awolf> still after restart
[23:29] <crash_cy> macwolf, I've not done an upgrade before (very new to ubuntu).  Do I need to backup my files beforehand?
[23:29] <macwolf74> crash_cy, it is VERY recommended to
[23:29] <Biafra> Okay, trying to do a clean install of Ubuntu 13.04 is not working for me. It either shoots out what looks like either an oops or a panic (without nomodeset) or locks the screen (with nomodeset).
[23:29] <AndChat|15> crash_cy: i just had receiver pluged in during install i think
[23:29] <Jordan_U> crash_cy: You should always have backups of important files, no matter what you do.
[23:29] <crash_cy> And that's the only way to get a new mouse recognized in the os?
[23:29] <macwolf74> I don't believe so o.o
[23:29] <papachan> crash_cy: no, the upgrade wont affect your file in Home directory
[23:30] <papachan> crash_cy: only the things in the trash :D
[23:30] <macwolf74> you can just probably plug in the mouse and it will work
[23:30] <n47781> I've set my 2TB disk to be 'ext4' and Mount: /home   Now I have the 500gb disk remaining, should I split it into similar-sized partitions and setup Mount points: / , /boot , /tmp etc on it (do I need all these?)?  and besides 'Ext4' I can pick 'swap area', I guess thats required? can I make it any size or should be minimum X gigabytes?
[23:30] <AndChat|15> Does 13.04 outof box install nvidis
[23:30] <papachan> after upgrate to 13.04 i suggest to execute sudo apt-get clena
[23:30] <papachan> sudo apt-get clean
[23:31] <lucas_> hey guys, I kinda have a question but it's Xfce related so I don't know if this is the place to ask and it seems kinda busy right now in here.
[23:31] <Biafra> n47781, the only requirements are /boot, /, and swap
[23:31] <wilee-nilee> n47781, Most have at the most a separate home and root and swap
[23:31] <Jordan_U> lucas_: It's always busy in here, don't let that deter you :)
[23:31] <Biafra> anything else is optional
[23:31] <crash_cy> macwolf, mouse is plugged in (or the usb receiver anyway), and it shows under lsusb, but the mouse isn't working
[23:31] <n47781> k thanks
[23:32] <Jordan_U> Biafra: n47781: A speparate /boot/ is both not required, and not recommended. Keep /boot/ as part of your root filesystem unless you have a compelling reason not to (like a buggy BIOS).
[23:32] <lucas_> alright Jordan_U :) does anyone knows what's going on here? I have two sound indicators http://i.imgur.com/8HOrcnU.png I had only one at first (ubuntu netinstall 13.04) but in the process of installing all of my stuff It seems to be a duplicate now and I have no idea what it could be
[23:32] <Tanshin> I gotta question real quick for anyone who can answer... Does the Linksys WMP54G wireless card have good linux support?
[23:32] <AndChat|15> crash_cy: try changing batteries or usb port.
[23:32] <Tanshin> Well, Ubuntu specifically.
[23:33] <Jordan_U> n47781: If you want to be able to suspend to disk (hibernate) you should either have a swap file or swap partition the same size as your physical RAM.
[23:33] <Biafra> Jordan_U, I've always found most times it is with BIOSes, as they are rarely non-buggy from my experience
[23:33] <AndChat|15> crash_cy: do you have to pair devices.
[23:34] <autibyte> Hi, I'm having trouble mapping what's normally <super> + <s> with Compiz settings on 13.04. No matter what I change it to, the shortcut <super> + <s> always works
[23:34] <crash_cy> AndChat, I've tried swapping it to different usb ports, no change
[23:34] <n47781> so if I assign "/home" the whole 2tb disk, then give "/" 460gb of the 500gb disk (and both 'ext4' file system), and 40gb swap (RAM is only 4gb though..).. sounds fine?
[23:34] <Jordan_U> Biafra: It's true that it's extremely rare to find non-buggy boot firmware, but it's still rare to find boot firmware that is buggy in a way that requires you to have a separate /boot/ partition (especially on newer machines).
[23:35] <crash_cy> Hold on... I found the problem and am so ashamed and disgraced I will never be able to return
[23:35] <Jordan_U> n47781: 40 GiB of swap is overkill, not that it hurts anything (it just means that you have 36 GiB of your hard drive essentially waisted).
[23:35] <AndChat|15> crash_cy: are the batteries ok switched on
[23:35] <Biafra> okay, going to try this one more time, then I'm going to assume it's Canonical's fault
[23:36] <GI_Jack> you should never need more than 8GB of swap, ever and that is excessive
[23:36] <n47781> k, if I really dont need any more than the size of my RAM.. then Ill just assign SWAP 4gb then
[23:36] <GI_Jack> I have 16GB of physical memory with /temp mounted on tmpfs and I never run out of memory
[23:36] <Jordan_U> GI_Jack: If you have 16 GiB of RAM and want to suspend to disk, you'll want 16 GiB of swap.
[23:37] <GI_Jack> also why does rhythmbox like to crash in 13.;04 when I try syncing my media player
[23:38] <AndChat|15> Whatever happened to dynamic swap
[23:39] <GI_Jack> and rhythmbox segfaults
[23:39] <n47781> "Device for boot loader installation",  should I pick the /home  (2TB-disk) or / (500gb-disk),  or any is fine?
[23:40] <macwolf74> I'd pick the /
[23:40] <n47781> or even just /dev/sda1 or sdb1  (don't know what that is tho)
[23:40] <n47781> k, thanks
[23:40] <macwolf74> those are your different hard drives
[23:40] <macwolf74> just named like C:/ or E:/
[23:41] <n47781> oh.. k.. thanks.  Ill just use the / then
[23:41] <Jordan_U> n47781: Wait.
[23:41] <n47781> uh,I mean the 2TB one..
[23:41] <n47781> hm
[23:42] <danilo> ola
[23:42] <n47781> sry I cant pick partition (/, /home), but rather  /dev/sda  (my 2tb disk),  /dev/sda1  (doesnt say anything next to that), /dev/sdb  (500gb disk), and /dev/sdb1   (nothing next to this either)..     so... /dev/sdb  (500gb disk)  sounds fine?
[23:43] <Jordan_U> n47781: macwolf74: Grub's boot sector should always be installed to the MBR of a disk, not to a partition boot record. So if you have disks "sda" and "sdb" you want to have grub installed to either (or both) of those devices, *not* to a partition like "sda1" or "sdb1".
[23:43] <danilo> hi, everyone
[23:43] <macwolf74> ?
[23:43] <macwolf74> oh ah
[23:43] <n47781> Jordan_U: k, thanks!  Ill pick the  /dev/sdb   (500gb disk) then,  it was my old  c:\ for Windows
[23:44] <Jordan_U> n47781: Yes, just be aware that if your BIOS is configured to boot from 2 TiB disk then booting will fail untill you change that, or install grub's boot sector to sda.
[23:44] <macwolf74> thanks for telling me lol
[23:44] <macwolf74> I always just did the default option
[23:44] <Jordan_U> n47781: You're welcome.
[23:45] <micahcowan> Long-standing issue across many versions of Ubuntu (now running Raring): I have some stuff in ~/.Xmodmap, mainly to swap the functionality of Esc and CapsLock. If I plug in a USB keyboard, they revert to their originals, until I run the modmap again (unplugging the keyboard has no apparent effect)
[23:47] <micahcowan> Was going to try to see if it was a Hal thing (don't know much about hal), but can't find hal stuff anywhere (has that been replaced by some other system?)
[23:48] <micahcowan> Just got "you stupid prick" in PM from AndChat|15 ...
[23:49] <macwolf74> must be doing that to everyone
[23:49] <macwolf74> I'd ignore it
[23:49] <cristina> Slart,
[23:49] <micahcowan> Will, but given that this is a support channel, I figure I'd bring it up
[23:50] <micahcowan> I seem to remember this channel being way, WAY more active (fire hose) in the past.
[23:51] <micahcowan> (been a couple years, probably)
[23:51] <Vivekananda> shoot I mistakenly shift deleted a file
[23:51] <micahcowan> shift-Delete = rm immediately? not familiar with that
[23:52] <cristina> any good configuration for lubuntu?
[23:52] <cristina> a link or something?!
[23:52] <macwolf74> michaelni, It passes the trash afaik
[23:53] <micahcowan> (assume that was for me)
[23:53] <micahcowan> That was my guess
[23:53] <micahcowan> cristina, that seems... vague :) what sorts of configuration are you looking for?
[23:53] <Vivekananda> anyways to get it back anyone ?
[23:53] <Tanshin> I gotta question real quick for anyone who can answer... Does the Linksys WMP54G wireless card have good Ubuntu support?
[23:54] <MonkeyDust> !hardware | Tanshin start here
[23:54] <cristina> micahcowan,  all apps need`ed ...i don`t know..first time when i use linux.
[23:55] <micahcowan> Vivekananda, as far as I know, you'd need a filesystem-level unerase tool. Haven't used any on Ubuntu, so can't really help there.
[23:55] <macwolf74> cristina, for apps I'd browse the lubuntu software center and check out some you may like :)
[23:55] <cristina> check what...
[23:55] <cristina> tell me  one app like office
[23:55] <cristina> ?
[23:56] <micahcowan> LibreOffice
[23:56] <cristina> i can`t find there?
[23:56] <Vivekananda> hmmm
[23:56] <Vivekananda> I am trying to get something
[23:56] <cristina> and it`s good for lubuntu?
[23:56] <micahcowan> Look for LibreOffice, definitely. Abiword is possible, too, but I like LibreOffice much better. Abiword is somewhat less resource-intensive as far as I know.
[23:57] <micahcowan> Yes, both are available on Ubuntu variants.
[23:58] <cristina> ok ..install now
[23:58] <cristina> tell me how to use synaptic packege manager?
[23:58] <cristina> i don`t understand it very well
[23:58] <Vivekananda> anyone else
[23:58] <longcat_> click click click
[23:59] <micahcowan> If you like graphic apps and desktop publishing, you might also look at scribus, gimp (somewhat advanced, rather like photoshop), tuxpaint (much less advanced, but lots of fun), and... something, can't remember what, looking for it...
[23:59] <semitones> so what's that folder
[23:59] <Vivekananda> cristina: when you have ubuntu on your desktop you have two ways of automatic installation
[23:59] <micahcowan> cristina, you mark which ones you want to install, and then choose "apply changes" or something along those lines
[23:59] <semitones> that becomes a part of your $PATH by default if you put executables in it?
[23:59] <micahcowan> use the search bar or browse the sections to find interesting apps
[23:59] <Vivekananda> apart from it you of course have ways of manual installation. For automatic install look for either synaptic package manager
[23:59] <Anti-Sleep> Hello World!