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holsteinrelax.. its updated02:59
holstein!vanilla03:18
zequenceholstein: Try chokolate ;)05:49
zequencechocolate*05:50
ttoinehello08:17
zequencettoine: hi09:03
ttoinezequence, I am testing ubuntu phone09:04
zequencettoine: Ah, how is it?09:04
ttoinea demo...09:08
smartboyhwHello IRC09:31
ttoinehello09:44
smartboyhwHey ttoine:)09:48
zequencettoine: How's your new life coming along?09:57
smartboyhwzequence, ttoine: What new life? And zequence, help me change the chan topics in here;P09:58
zequencesmartboyhw: didn't you get op status?10:06
zequenceI can't seem to get it10:06
zequenceI don't have time for this right now10:06
smartboyhwzequence: What? 10:06
smartboyhwI have...10:06
smartboyhwzequence: /msg ChanServ OP #ubuntustudio-devel10:06
smartboyhwHurray!10:07
=== ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntustudio-devel to: Ubuntu Studio Development Channel | https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio | Ubuntu Studio 12.04.2 LTS is released: ISO- http://goo.gl/FEAxP Notes-http://goo.gl/29QaS | Please test the 13.04 RC images in http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/dvd/current | Release status in http://etherpad.ubuntu.com/2bq42lItlT
zequencedammit10:10
smartboyhw:O10:12
=== ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntustudio-devel to: Ubuntu Studio Development Channel | https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio | find Ubuntu Studio stable Releases at https://ubuntustudio.org/download/ | latest current ISO http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/dvd/current/ |
zequenceNow noone needs to change the topic ever again :D10:14
smartboyhwzequence: :D10:15
DarkEramorning10:33
DarkEraafternoon actually but i just woke up10:33
* DarkEra pokes smartboyhw and zequence : http://mathiusquest.blogspot.be/2013/04/the-time-has-come-its-finally-here.html10:35
smartboyhwDarkEra: :)10:44
zequenceDarkEra: You misspelled my name. It's Ailomaa :)10:45
* smartboyhw does have one too at http://smartboyhw.tk/wordpress_smartboyhw10:45
smartboyhwlol10:45
DarkErazequence, oh shi-!10:48
DarkErafixing it10:48
zequenceI realize we should make sure to thank people helping test our images10:49
zequenceLet's make sure to do that in the future10:49
DarkEra+110:50
zequenceI've been thinking about the possibility to create more than one desktop base for Ubuntu Studio. 10:50
DarkErawhat? really?10:50
zequenceWe'd still only have one default, but users could get some Ubuntu Studio specific stuff against LXDE, KDE, Gnome3 and Unity10:51
zequenceI'm thinking LXDE would be a good addition for people with old machines10:51
smartboyhwzequence: +1 on thanking testers, +0 for the DEs.10:51
zequenceOr, something even less RAM and CPU hungry10:51
smartboyhwzequence: Let me work on a Lubuntu Studio:P10:51
smartboyhwLOL10:51
smartboyhwWe have Dream Studio as base for Unity, KXStudio as base for KDE10:52
DarkErawe should have a meeting and discuss the various aspects10:53
DarkEra:)10:53
zequenceDarkEra: I don't think it is something that requires a vote. 10:53
zequenceWe have one default, but if someone would like to expand to other desktops, it would be that persons choice10:54
DarkErathat's true10:54
zequenceAs long as the work is in the spirit of UBuntu Studio10:55
smartboyhwzequence: Will that be in a PPA or official archive?10:55
DarkErai was thinking about how ubuntu studio would be if it was a Gnome 3 distro10:55
zequencesmartboyhw: We have no need for PPAs for this kind of thing10:55
zequenceA PPA is a personal package archive. Not an official Ubuntu flavor repository10:56
smartboyhwTry not to go with too many big targets, we have already linux-rt & ubuntustudio-controls to care about10:56
zequenceGnome3 could be tweaked a lot, if someone has some javascripting skills10:56
smartboyhwzequence: You really think you can cope with it? (If no new devs comes in)10:56
zequencesmartboyhw: I didn't say I was going to do it10:57
zequenceFirst, we put out the ideas. Then, each of us start working on what we think is most important10:57
smartboyhwzequence: Eh…:P10:57
zequenceThe work that is completed will go in. The work that is not done, will not go in. Simple as that10:57
zequenceI can't force anyone to do anything. This is a volunteer project, after all10:58
zequenceIt's always best to work on the things that you like to work on10:58
zequenceI think the main priority for me will be improving the audio plumbing in Debian and Ubuntt10:59
smartboyhwzequence: So linux-rt or ubuntustudio-controls or other DE support which is your priority?10:59
smartboyhwDamn I missed10:59
zequenceI will be very busy now until Monday afternoon. From Monday and onwards, I'll start working on blueprints and workitems11:00
smartboyhwzequence: Oh?11:01
zequenceYou are all free to discuss what you would like to work on for the next cycle. I can't participate until after Monday11:01
smartboyhwAnyway it's weekends 11:01
smartboyhwzequence: For me it will be either linux-rt or KDE support 11:03
DarkErasmartboyhw, nice blog post :)11:09
zequencesmartboyhw: If you like, start working on a ubuntustudio-desktop-kde meta package, and if you need to add settings for it, either add them to a branched custom ubuntustudio-default-settings, or create a new one called ubuntustudio-kde-default-settings11:12
zequenceOnce it is in a workable state, we do testing. Then, we add them to the Ubuntu repo. This does mean that you will be required to do maintenance on those packages also for the future11:14
zequenceDarkEra: If you want to learn more about development, and if you are motivated about Gnome3, I could help you with that, as that is interesting to me also11:14
zequenceDarkEra: I could set up the barebones in a PPA. Then, we collaborate on defining what we need and don't need for a ubuntustudio-desktop-gnome package11:15
smartboyhwzequence: Sure do. After all, I'm also a Kubuntu member, so I can ask the Kubuntu experts when necessary:)11:15
zequenceDarkEra: It's not that technical really. Just takes a bit of time to do everything11:16
zequencesmartboyhw: Have you yet built a -rt kernel against the ubuntu kernel source?11:19
zequenceor, patching the ubuntu kernel source with the -rt patch11:20
smartboyhwzequence: Not yet. Building kernels needs a lot of time even with -j411:20
DarkErazequence, that would be great and very interesting to because i know zero, i'm just a so called basic user who knows some stuff and finds his way :)11:20
DarkEras/to/too11:20
* smartboyhw can't afford going over -j411:21
zequenceDarkEra: Great. We could start working on something next week11:21
zequencesmartboyhw: You can upload to PPA and have them built there11:21
DarkErazequence, cool, i'm very excited about it already11:22
smartboyhwzequence: Even the source uploading will damn fail. I need to set up sftp then.11:22
zequencesmartboyhw: If it fails, you're doing something wrong. But, we'll get to that.11:23
smartboyhwzequence: The kernel source is too big to be uploaded using ftp11:24
smartboyhwFor me at least (like Calligra)11:24
smartboyhwCalligra only failed once, and that's a backport:P11:24
smartboyhwThat's a known bug11:25
zequencesmartboyhw: You should only need to upload the diff11:26
zequenceSince you base it on a ubuntu kernel, there will be a .orig file to base it on11:26
smartboyhwzequence: I may not be able to spend so much time in Saucy cycle, I have school exams in early June, study tour to UK in July and piano exam in August-September11:26
zequencesmartboyhw: piano exam? What will you be playing?11:27
zequencesmartboyhw: piano exam? What will you be playing?11:27
smartboyhwzequence: Grade 811:27
smartboyhwA piece from J.S. Bach, one from Beethoven and one from Chopin11:28
zequencesmartboyhw: Not decided yet?11:28
smartboyhwzequence: Date not11:29
zequencesmartboyhw: Yes, but the actual pieces?11:29
smartboyhwIt will be told when I'm in UK11:29
smartboyhwzequence: Yes11:29
zequencesmartboyhw: I was just curious on which exact pieces you would be playing and what you thought of them. I play a bit of piano myself, all though, I don't consider myself a pianist11:38
ttoinezequence, smartboyhw, a bit too much busy, this week ;-)12:08
smartboyhwzequence: Er let me list it12:08
smartboyhw1st movement from Partita No.5 in G, BWV 829 by J.S. Bach12:09
smartboyhwAnd damn it it wasn't Beethoven for the 2nd piece, it is Clementi12:10
smartboyhw3rd movemet from Sonata in G, Op. 37 No.2, by Muzio Clementi12:11
smartboyhwGrande Valse Brilliante, Op. 34 No. 3 by Frederyk Chopin12:11
zequencesmartboyhw: Very good pieces for learning finger technique I suppose. A lot of scales up and down. Soft playing12:14
zequenceI've never played any of those. Now that I hear them, makes sense for learning better technique12:15
zequencesmartboyhw: Do you have any favorite piece you like to play just for fun?12:15
smartboyhwzequence: Eh let me take a shower first. My answer is the theme song of "You are the Apple of my eye", the Taiwanese movie which has gained the most box office in films made in the Greater China Region.12:19
zequencesmartboyhw: I see why that movie might be so popular :)12:25
zequenceThis is one of my favorite pieces on piano. From Bachs Art of the Fugue, Contrapunctus 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmxMel8HHN812:28
zequenceA bit nerdy music, if I say so myself12:28
zequencebut also very beautiful12:28
zequenceNot really a piano piece, but you can play it fine on a piano12:29
contrapunctusThanks, zequence ;)12:35
DarkEraand off he went into another dimension12:38
zequenceHere's a guy that plays half a note down (they think d minor in those days was actually closer to c# minor, I guess) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFYLBwbXFXE12:51
zequenceSounds like walking in a hall of mirrors somehow12:51
smartboyhwlol13:01
DarkEragoing for a walk, when i get back i'm going to install Ubuntu Gnome next to ubu studio and have a look around in preperation for next week13:06
smartboyhwDarkEra: thx!13:06
DarkErahmm?13:07
smartboyhw_zequence: Sounds like Edubuntu did the KDE thing once13:40
zequencesmartboyhw_: The main thing for us will be to ensure good performance for all our workflows13:58
zequencesmartboyhw_: Well, that and a sane list of dependencies. We don't need libre office, etc13:58
holsteini dont mind having libre office13:59
smartboyhw_zequence: I will keep the apps the same13:59
zequenceActually, anything automatic in the background may need to be investigated, also for XFCE13:59
zequenceholstein: It's not a Ubuntu Studio application suite14:00
zequenceUnless, one considers it a part of publishing14:00
zequencewe don't need it for a desktop base anyway14:00
holsteini think its just what folks expect to have..14:00
holsteini mean, i could get behind not having an office suite14:00
smartboyhw_zequence, holstein: I don't mind adding it. 14:01
holsteinbut, trading libreoffice for something lighter is not necessarily something i agree with14:01
holsteinthe iso is already *not* a CD size, and wont ever be14:01
holsteinbut, as always.. im with you guys14:01
* smartboyhw_ suggests Calligra, since Krita is packaged within Calligra14:02
holsteinjust seems libreoffice is the flagship office suite, and is well supported14:02
holsteinsmartboyhw_: i would entertain using/testing that14:02
smartboyhw_holstein: sudo apt-get install calligra14:02
zequenceAbout 350MB extra space. Well, it's an idea14:03
zequenceBut, my point was not about libreoffice14:03
zequenceIt was about what is important for a desktop base. not the choice of default installed packages for Ubuntu Studio14:03
zequenceIF we will be having additional desktop bases, each of them needs to be optimized for multimedia, or there's no point in making special packages for them at all14:04
smartboyhw_zequence: A word processor and spreadsheet software:P14:04
holsteinalso, it could be about sneaking in a good set of wanted packages.. to give us an edge14:04
holsteingood is a matter of opinion.. but if folks want "light" ubuntu with a certain set of packages installed, they might come to ubuntustudio14:04
zequenceholstein: We're discussing adding new desktop metas, adding to the existing one14:04
zequenceso, doing one based on LXDE would be light14:05
zequenceone based on Unity, would not be14:05
holsteincool14:05
zequenceBut, all of them needs to be optimized for multimedia14:05
holsteini'll go on record as saying i think its uncessary14:05
zequenceThat is the point I'm trying to get across right now14:05
holsteinand again, im with you guys14:05
smartboyhw_zequence, so only GNOME, KDE and LXDE?14:05
zequencesmartboyhw_: It's up to anyone who wants to do the work14:06
holsteinlibreoffice works fine in LXDE14:06
zequenceholstein: Again, I wasn't talking about default installed backages, but about the desktop base14:06
holsteinright14:06
smartboyhw_zequence: For a strange thing nobody ever suggested using LXDE for a multimedia distro at all14:07
holsteinhaving an ubuntustudio-LXDE-desktop or whatever14:07
holsteinand other ones...14:07
zequenceIf we do add more choices, we could make them choosable when installing from the DVD14:07
smartboyhw_zequence: OK14:07
zequenceBut, we can't ship the actual binaries on DVD14:07
zequenceThe user will need to be connected to the internet14:08
zequenceOnly the default desktop will be on DVD, which is XFCE14:08
smartboyhw_But we need to remind them that they need internet connections… (Ah damn you said it already)14:08
zequenceWe don't need to remind them. We make the installer be aware of it14:08
zequenceAs it is already for updates and restricted extras14:09
smartboyhw_zequence: OK14:09
zequencelibre office is about 350 MB extra space. I'm not for adding it right now anyway. I do however think some of it relates to our publishing workflow. Exactly what could be investigated14:11
zequenceIf anyone wants to start sketching on blueprints, you are free to start now14:11
smartboyhw_zequence: Sketching i.e. = ?14:11
smartboyhw_How to define?14:12
zequencesmartboyhw_: whiteboard text, and workitems14:12
smartboyhw_zequence: What blueprints do we have now? I would rather add a DE support blueprint14:12
zequencehttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-s-flavor-ubuntustudio14:13
zequenceWe have a desktop blueprint14:13
smartboyhw_zequence: OK14:14
zequenceBut, if you really want to start a KDE desktop meta, you can start a new blueprint14:14
zequenceFor the Ubuntu project, with the same sort of naming14:14
zequenceI'll add it as a dependency later14:14
zequenceNothing is written in stone yet, so we can move things around14:14
CoCo|Hi I'm new 0.o see you guys are arguing about libre office??14:15
zequenceubuntustudio-s-meta means the meta source package, where all of our metas are defined14:15
zequenceCoCo|: Not really arguing yet14:15
smartboyhw_zequence: OK. Do you think it's gd or not to actually add DE-specific blueprints?14:15
smartboyhw_Hello CoCo| :)14:16
zequencesmartboyhw_: As I said, if you really want to do a KDE desktop base, start a new blueprint for it14:16
zequenceCall it ubuntustudio-s-desktop-kde14:16
smartboyhw_zequence: OK 14:16
* smartboyhw_ goes does that14:16
zequencesmartboyhw_: I'll add it as a dependency14:16
zequencesmartboyhw_: You'll be responsible for that blueprint, but I will still want to assure quality on whatever ends up in the Ubuntu repo and our DVD under the Ubuntu Studio name14:17
zequenceSo, I might have occasional remarks, or suggestions14:18
zequenceThe goal is for each desktop base to be optimized for multimedia14:18
zequenceIf it is not, then there's no point in doing one for Ubuntu Studio14:18
smartboyhw_zequence: Assignee, Drafter and Approver?14:19
smartboyhw_zequence: OK;)14:19
zequencesmartboyhw_: Make ubuntustudio-core the approver, the rest is for you14:19
smartboyhw_ok14:20
smartboyhw_zequence: Hmm why is there a "dev" sprint?14:21
smartboyhw_Back14:22
zequencesmartboyhw_: Don't worry about the sprints. We can fix any details later too14:22
smartboyhw_zequence: OK14:22
zequencesmartboyhw_: You'll need to create a bzr branch for the desktop meta. You can add one to the ubuntustudio-dev repos14:23
zequenceubuntustudio-desktop-kde seems like a proper name. I'm not comfortable using kubuntustudio as of yet, anyway. that is something that could be discussed14:24
* holstein +1 on ubuntustudio-desktop-***14:26
zequenceWe'll need to add a file for it in our seeds too14:26
zequenceThe metas get all their dependencies from the seeds14:26
holsteini guess the question is, what does it change?14:27
smartboyhw_zequence: Check. The blueprint is in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntustudio-s-desktop-kde14:27
zequenceholstein: What does what change?14:27
holsteinlets say i have kubuntu installed.. what does that change? and do i want to have anything changed?14:27
zequenceholstein: We'll be introducing ubuntustudio-controls to the mix later on. There will be differences, in optimization, package selection, settings, and theming14:28
zequenceJust changing the theme is not going to be reason enough anyway14:29
smartboyhw_Hello DarkEra:)14:29
DarkErahi smartboyhw_ 14:29
zequenceThe differences don't need to be huge. They just need to be improvements for multimedia14:30
zequenceAnd preferably, installable from the main ISO14:30
zequenceOne of the most obvious things one might want to change is desktop effects14:33
zequenceAnother, background processes, like file indexing, or checking for updates. Anything automatic might cause problems, and may need to be shut off14:34
zequenceProbably many of those processes are the same on many of the flavors14:34
zequenceMight be worth to make the switchable, using -controls14:35
smartboyhw_yep14:35
CoCo|Anyone have a link to most recent developmental ISO?? I keep getting a broken link. 14:53
smartboyhw_CoCo| just refer to the channel topic, the download link has 13.0414:54
zequenceCoCo|: Are you interested in helping out with development?14:54
CoCo|I've been a Linux user for 10 years I think its time to help lol14:54
smartboyhw_We don't have saucy ISOs14:54
zequenceCoCo|: Development of the next release has not really started yet, as 13.04 was just released. We'll be mostly doing planning for a couple of weeks14:54
smartboyhw_CoCo| \o/14:54
zequenceCoCo|: You're most welcome to join us14:55
CoCo|Yeah I figured I just got back into coding I've been working on my Indy game projects mostly14:55
zequenceCoCo|: next week planning will start more seriously. In May, there will be a virtual Ubuntu Developer Summit. After that, you could say, development really starts14:55
zequenceCoCo|: What sort of things are you most interested in concerning Ubuntu Studio?14:56
CoCo|I was studying OS X and iOS recently a14:57
CoCo|Looking at connectivity and how things work. I'd really like to incorporate some of those things into this distro14:57
CoCo|I feel like that's never been done properly along any distro14:58
CoCo|Like the argument earlier about libre office. Its better to have a office suite standard but open office and Google docs are a better fit in my opinion 15:00
zequenceCoCo|: Why is Open Office preferable to Libre Office, do you think?15:00
zequenceCoCo|: Connectivity, if you're talking about account related stuff, you should talk to ubuntu one devs, and also, DE devs15:01
zequenceWe don't really develop much software here. We do some, but most of the work is in administering sources, fixing bugs, and communication upstream about bugs and ideas15:02
CoCo|Outside of accounts. With android and soon ubuntu phone I feel there should be more to flow15:03
CoCo|Airplay on apple being a perfect example. HiFi music is amazing and I miss it15:04
zequenceOk, so Apps?15:04
CoCo|Yeah I suppose15:04
zequenceCoCo|: Ubuntu is looking for people who want to code apps, and you should be able to find support on both IRC and mail lists. Here's a good place to start http://developer.ubuntu.com/15:05
zequenceApp coding is still pretty new15:05
zequenceI mean, apps for Unity. And I'm not sure how that works between the phone and the destop yet15:06
zequenceI will want to look at what we can do on a phone or a table later on, but probably that will mostly be about adding a linux-lowlatency for arm, and maybe some kind of jack control app15:06
CoCo|That would be awesome id love to help with that. 15:07
zequenceWe are actually among the least DE orientated among all the distros, as we focus mostly on multimedia15:07
CoCo|Yeah I understand. But since I develop multimedia I use studio. 15:09
smartboyhw_zequence: linux-lowlatency on ARM? That's new15:09
zequenceCoCo|: falktx who made KXStudio has a jack controls library in python, if you're interested15:10
zequenceCoCo|: Also, I'm going to start working on ubuntustudio-controls this summer, which in the best scenariou would be a all-in-one audio control application, also one which tunes all sorts of multimedia related settings15:11
zequenceYou are welcome to help with that. It will be written in python. 15:11
CoCo|Hell yeah I'm down15:11
CoCo|I don't speak the snake much. But I'd be willing to catch up to help out15:12
zequenceI'm not a big coder myself. So, if anyone wants to take the lead on the hands on work, I don't really care what language it is, as long as it's not too obscure15:13
zequencec could work too15:13
zequenceNot sure about GTK or QT yet15:13
smartboyhw_zequence: one good thing I'm learning Python at sku15:13
CoCo|I speak C. I'm going to take lessons for python I've gotten big on expanding I'm knowledge15:14
CoCo|Coursera has a lot of classes in coding and that's what I'm learning from currently15:14
zequenceCoCo|: If you stick around for a couple of weeks, I'm sure there will be some concrete ideas to start working from15:15
CoCo|I'll be here I really want to dedicate to this15:15
CoCo|I'm overall impressed with how serious people in a volunteer community work. 15:16
zequenceCoCo|: Since the development release right now is basically 13.04, it is fine to start from that. I don't care which DE you use for development, but if you want to do testing, I recommend installing a pure Ubuntu Studio 13.04, which you keep only for testing things15:17
zequenceCoCo|: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/JoinTheTeam15:17
zequenceInstalling a development release means, installing 13.04, no matter which DE. 15:17
CoCo|But I love cinnamon :(15:18
zequenceNext https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/SetupDeveloperEnvironment15:18
zequenceCoCo|: Use it if you want. No problem15:18
zequenceCoCo|: Just make sure, that if you do testing later on, you have a specific install only for that15:18
zequenceI do development on Gnome3 myself15:18
zequenceYou'll need a Launchpad account, a GPG key, and a SSH key15:19
zequenceCoCo|: Once you got all of that, let me know. 15:19
CoCo|Right-O I'll get started.15:19
zequencemadeinkobaia: Hey man15:25
madeinkobaiazequence : Hi :) 15:25
zequencesmartboyhw_: I didn't know python was that common in school. What other languages do you learn?15:26
smartboyhw_zequence: Currently in school only Python, we voted it over C, Pascal and Java. I did learn C and C++ a bit before15:28
zequencesmartboyhw_: The students had a vote, and chose pythong? wow15:28
smartboyhw_zequence: Actually that's because our teacher showed an example that will stop showing inputs when n = 42, and Python uses the least lines;P15:31
smartboyhw_I really want to learn Python though15:32
zequencettoine: Do you have any good advice on how to set up the homepage so that people can comment easily, and we don't get too much spam?15:32
smartboyhw_Testdrive and all that15:32
zequencepython is really handy when developing on Debian based for sure15:32
smartboyhw_zequence: I seemed to be more focusing on dev for 13.10 :O15:33
zequencesmartboyhw_: That is Debian based15:33
ttoinezequence, the homepage ?15:34
zequencettoine: Well, any homepage, but in this case, ubuntustudio.org15:34
ttoinewith wordpress ?15:34
zequencettoine: Yes15:34
smartboyhw_zequence: You mean Testdrive or 13.10?15:35
ttoinezequence, you want people to comment on the frontpage ? not on article ?15:35
zequenceRight now, only people who are members of the Ubuntu Studio team are supposed to be able to post, but we're getting a lot of spam. I might have bad settings, need to check15:35
zequencettoine: I'm just referring to the security approach15:36
zequenceWe get comments from all sorts of sites15:36
zequenceIt's like some kind of a loopback15:36
zequenceWhen someone mentions Ubuntu Studio somehwere15:37
zequenceAh, I found the setting15:37
zequence"Allow link notifications from other blogs"15:37
zequenceI think that solves it :P15:38
zequenceWhy would we want that?15:38
ttoinezequence, yes, you should disable pingback15:38
ttoineIt should be that15:38
ttoinezequence, is akismet enabled for spam management ?15:38
smartboyhw_ttoine: Yes15:39
zequencettoine: Yes15:39
ttoineok so it should work well now if pingback is disabled15:40
smartboyhw_Signing off for night. Goodbye zequence and ttoine. /me needs to remind self to get rid of pingbacks.15:41
ttoineI am very sorry to be so busy and be able to help you a lot.15:41
DarkEradon't be sorry ttoine :)15:42
ttoinefor information, I chatted a bit with Echo developers and their new USB high end sound card (2 i/o) should work out of the box on linux15:42
zequencettoine: Great news15:42
DarkErathat's great news indeed15:42
zequencettoine: We should post things like that. If you don't have the time, could you just give us the quick details, and I can do it15:42
zequenceWe really need more people working with PR15:43
ttoinebut... it should. it means we have to try! and it costs 450€15:43
ttoineit is great that we start to post news!*15:43
zequenceYes, it will really make a difference, I think. It will draw more people towards our distro, and make it richer15:44
zequencemore users, more developers, more everything15:44
ttoinefor you to dream, debian based inside https://twitter.com/HarrisonMixbus/status/327483055289815040/photo/115:45
ttoineit runs a software with the same engine as mixbus15:45
ttoinezequence, more everything ;-)15:45
ttoineand the branded stuff shop is on the road!15:45
ttoinemadeinkobaia, if you are here, can I just have some news from you ?15:46
zequenceWow15:46
madeinkobaiattoine : I am here15:46
ttoineeverybody's here15:46
madeinkobaiattoine : How are you ?15:47
ttoinebusy ;-)15:47
ttoineand you15:47
DarkEraheya madeinkobaia ;)15:47
madeinkobaiattoine : Cool :)15:47
madeinkobaiadarkera : Hi : )15:48
zequencemadeinkobaia: I'd like to add a small html box in the sidebar of our homepage15:51
zequencemadeinkobaia: I was thinking of your banner for the social sites, but one which more or less only has the notion of 13.04 is out, and maybe the background logo. Something similar to the social graphics anyway15:52
madeinkobaiazequence : Ok, no problems. Tell me the details, the size mainly. I will do that15:53
madeinkobaiazequence : By size I mean dimensions of the box.15:54
zequencemadeinkobaia: Yes. I will look at that right away15:55
madeinkobaiazequence : Great. Bbl :)15:56
zequencemadeinkobaia: I think width, at the most, 250px. This example is almost the proportions of a CD, but you are free to do whatever you like. http://www.ubuntustudio.mousike.me/16:05
zequenceThis is my staging site, btw. Where we can do experimentations if we want to change something on the site16:07
DarkEracool^16:08
madeinkobaiazequence : Good idea the staging site : ) If we're agree on the dimensions (250x200) I will do the box background this we.16:59
zequencemadeinkobaia: I don't care about the height. 250px is not too wide anyway17:05
madeinkobaiazequence : I just ask my self...a 250² px could be more interesting. A square format is more multipurpose and could usable in other contexts.17:05
zequencemadeinkobaia: Sure17:06
zequencemadeinkobaia: We could develop that into a imbedded code idea, for people to use on their websites, if they want to17:07
zequenceembedded*17:08
madeinkobaiazequence : Perfect idea.So, ok for the square. The main element you want to focus on is "13.04 available now ? "17:08
zequencemadeinkobaia: Yeah, basically. But it's nice to keep the same style over everything17:08
zequencemadeinkobaia: I feel it's starting to grow. And I'm eager to see what we can come up for 14.04 on these ideas17:09
zequenceThis seems like practice before the big event17:09
madeinkobaiazequence : One thing is sure...that will rocks ! : )17:10
zequencemadeinkobaia: :D17:10
madeinkobaia8-)17:10
madeinkobaiazequence : I will do the square with round borders (.png + transparency). Normally that works on any navigator now. (Maybe still not with iexplorer 8>10, has they don't respect W3C standards). I must check that.17:15
zequencemadeinkobaia: cool17:18
madeinkobaiazequence : I am back from forums and I have an instant headache when I try to understand how IE works ;) So, I think it will be Ok, anyway people have to use a good internet browser (who said Firefox ?)...no middle-age computing.17:23
madeinkobaiaIMO17:25
zequenceI think this is an interesting picture http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Countries_by_most_used_web_browser.svg17:28
zequenceThey say people who use IE has the lowest IQ :P17:28
madeinkobaialooool17:29
zequenceAnd Opera has the highest (Belarus??)17:29
madeinkobaiaDamn I think Belgium is in...blue : /17:31
DarkEraO_o17:31
zequenceSeems like Chromium is winning the war http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-ww-daily-20130327-20130425-map17:31
zequenceThis is a more recent one (last 30 days)17:32
zequenceEven Belarus is using Chrome more17:32
DarkEraIE is used by all the spammers and their bots17:32
zequenceBelgium is green, you are sage :) http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-eu-daily-20130327-20130425-map17:32
zequencesafe*17:32
zequenceIt's just the Dutch and the Swizz who are behind17:33
madeinkobaiadarkera : We have escaped from the shame :D17:35
DarkEramadeinkobaia, wooohoo!17:35
DarkEra:D17:35
zequencemadeinkobaia: This is a bit of a pedantic request, but do you think you could remove the white background from the COF? It only works when there is a white background17:51
madeinkobaiazequence : Sure I can, I already tried on G+, works fine. We are on a telepathic creative wave :D17:57
zequencehehe17:57
Len-nbzequence, there has been some talk above that seemed to be headed in the using unity for Studio. My only comment is that there have been a number of people who have done audio with unity and were asking for help because of problems. As I recall all of the problems went away when unity was not used.21:16
Len-nbUnity may work well for some people with audio.21:16
Len-nbbut there have been more support requests with unity than without.21:16
zequenceLen-nb: Unity makes sense also since it will be converged between desktop and phone later on21:20
Len-nbMore support problems never makes sense21:21
zequenceI don't think desktop related problems are that much of a worry for us though21:21
zequenceAnd not a big variable when it comes to multimedia problems21:21
Len-nbunity seems to have been a problem. People have switched away from unity and their problems have gone away21:22
zequenceWhat kind of problems are you talking about?21:22
Len-nbAudio problems... which are our worry21:22
Len-nbstability , xruns etc21:23
zequenceI dont' see how Unity can cause audio problems21:23
Len-nbShouldn't21:23
Len-nbI have seen three or four cases where it has.21:23
zequenceIncreased graphics activity will of course make a difference21:23
zequenceBut, it's still more about the kernel. From doing some cyclic tests, I've noticed one thing21:24
zequenceThe chance for getting xruns may be high, but you swon't get them21:24
zequenceSo, you are fooled21:24
zequenceThe cyclic test shows the headroom a bit more clearly21:25
zequenceIf you add stress to the system, you are likely to get more xruns, if you're below the headroom that your system and your latency settings allow21:25
zequenceIf you have very little stress, you might not get any xruns, but that's all21:26
zequenceI mean, you haven't improved the headroom for xruns. You've just relaxed the system enough for them to not happen as often21:26
Len-nbYup.21:26
Len-nbMaybe with the move to MIR there will be more headroom21:27
zequenceMay be the other way around too21:28
zequenceThey might not be focusing on low latency21:29
zequenceRather on long battery life21:29
Len-nbYa, gotta pick up son now21:31
DarkEraplaying around a bit with Gnome 3, this one looks nice21:45

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