[02:59] <holstein> relax.. its updated
[03:18] <holstein> !vanilla
[05:49] <zequence> holstein: Try chokolate ;)
[05:50] <zequence> chocolate*
[08:17] <ttoine> hello
[09:03] <zequence> ttoine: hi
[09:04] <ttoine> zequence, I am testing ubuntu phone
[09:04] <zequence> ttoine: Ah, how is it?
[09:08] <ttoine> a demo...
[09:31] <smartboyhw> Hello IRC
[09:44] <ttoine> hello
[09:48] <smartboyhw> Hey ttoine:)
[09:57] <zequence> ttoine: How's your new life coming along?
[09:58] <smartboyhw> zequence, ttoine: What new life? And zequence, help me change the chan topics in here;P
[10:06] <zequence> smartboyhw: didn't you get op status?
[10:06] <zequence> I can't seem to get it
[10:06] <zequence> I don't have time for this right now
[10:06] <smartboyhw> zequence: What? 
[10:06] <smartboyhw> I have...
[10:06] <smartboyhw> zequence: /msg ChanServ OP #ubuntustudio-devel
[10:07] <smartboyhw> Hurray!
[10:10] <zequence> dammit
[10:12] <smartboyhw> :O
[10:14] <zequence> Now noone needs to change the topic ever again :D
[10:15] <smartboyhw> zequence: :D
[10:33] <DarkEra> morning
[10:33] <DarkEra> afternoon actually but i just woke up
[10:35]  * DarkEra pokes smartboyhw and zequence : http://mathiusquest.blogspot.be/2013/04/the-time-has-come-its-finally-here.html
[10:44] <smartboyhw> DarkEra: :)
[10:45] <zequence> DarkEra: You misspelled my name. It's Ailomaa :)
[10:45]  * smartboyhw does have one too at http://smartboyhw.tk/wordpress_smartboyhw
[10:45] <smartboyhw> lol
[10:48] <DarkEra> zequence, oh shi-!
[10:48] <DarkEra> fixing it
[10:49] <zequence> I realize we should make sure to thank people helping test our images
[10:49] <zequence> Let's make sure to do that in the future
[10:50] <DarkEra> +1
[10:50] <zequence> I've been thinking about the possibility to create more than one desktop base for Ubuntu Studio. 
[10:50] <DarkEra> what? really?
[10:51] <zequence> We'd still only have one default, but users could get some Ubuntu Studio specific stuff against LXDE, KDE, Gnome3 and Unity
[10:51] <zequence> I'm thinking LXDE would be a good addition for people with old machines
[10:51] <smartboyhw> zequence: +1 on thanking testers, +0 for the DEs.
[10:51] <zequence> Or, something even less RAM and CPU hungry
[10:51] <smartboyhw> zequence: Let me work on a Lubuntu Studio:P
[10:51] <smartboyhw> LOL
[10:52] <smartboyhw> We have Dream Studio as base for Unity, KXStudio as base for KDE
[10:53] <DarkEra> we should have a meeting and discuss the various aspects
[10:53] <DarkEra> :)
[10:53] <zequence> DarkEra: I don't think it is something that requires a vote. 
[10:54] <zequence> We have one default, but if someone would like to expand to other desktops, it would be that persons choice
[10:54] <DarkEra> that's true
[10:55] <zequence> As long as the work is in the spirit of UBuntu Studio
[10:55] <smartboyhw> zequence: Will that be in a PPA or official archive?
[10:55] <DarkEra> i was thinking about how ubuntu studio would be if it was a Gnome 3 distro
[10:55] <zequence> smartboyhw: We have no need for PPAs for this kind of thing
[10:56] <zequence> A PPA is a personal package archive. Not an official Ubuntu flavor repository
[10:56] <smartboyhw> Try not to go with too many big targets, we have already linux-rt & ubuntustudio-controls to care about
[10:56] <zequence> Gnome3 could be tweaked a lot, if someone has some javascripting skills
[10:56] <smartboyhw> zequence: You really think you can cope with it? (If no new devs comes in)
[10:57] <zequence> smartboyhw: I didn't say I was going to do it
[10:57] <zequence> First, we put out the ideas. Then, each of us start working on what we think is most important
[10:57] <smartboyhw> zequence: Eh…:P
[10:57] <zequence> The work that is completed will go in. The work that is not done, will not go in. Simple as that
[10:58] <zequence> I can't force anyone to do anything. This is a volunteer project, after all
[10:58] <zequence> It's always best to work on the things that you like to work on
[10:59] <zequence> I think the main priority for me will be improving the audio plumbing in Debian and Ubuntt
[10:59] <smartboyhw> zequence: So linux-rt or ubuntustudio-controls or other DE support which is your priority?
[10:59] <smartboyhw> Damn I missed
[11:00] <zequence> I will be very busy now until Monday afternoon. From Monday and onwards, I'll start working on blueprints and workitems
[11:01] <smartboyhw> zequence: Oh?
[11:01] <zequence> You are all free to discuss what you would like to work on for the next cycle. I can't participate until after Monday
[11:01] <smartboyhw> Anyway it's weekends 
[11:03] <smartboyhw> zequence: For me it will be either linux-rt or KDE support 
[11:09] <DarkEra> smartboyhw, nice blog post :)
[11:12] <zequence> smartboyhw: If you like, start working on a ubuntustudio-desktop-kde meta package, and if you need to add settings for it, either add them to a branched custom ubuntustudio-default-settings, or create a new one called ubuntustudio-kde-default-settings
[11:14] <zequence> Once it is in a workable state, we do testing. Then, we add them to the Ubuntu repo. This does mean that you will be required to do maintenance on those packages also for the future
[11:14] <zequence> DarkEra: If you want to learn more about development, and if you are motivated about Gnome3, I could help you with that, as that is interesting to me also
[11:15] <zequence> DarkEra: I could set up the barebones in a PPA. Then, we collaborate on defining what we need and don't need for a ubuntustudio-desktop-gnome package
[11:15] <smartboyhw> zequence: Sure do. After all, I'm also a Kubuntu member, so I can ask the Kubuntu experts when necessary:)
[11:16] <zequence> DarkEra: It's not that technical really. Just takes a bit of time to do everything
[11:19] <zequence> smartboyhw: Have you yet built a -rt kernel against the ubuntu kernel source?
[11:20] <zequence> or, patching the ubuntu kernel source with the -rt patch
[11:20] <smartboyhw> zequence: Not yet. Building kernels needs a lot of time even with -j4
[11:20] <DarkEra> zequence, that would be great and very interesting to because i know zero, i'm just a so called basic user who knows some stuff and finds his way :)
[11:20] <DarkEra> s/to/too
[11:21]  * smartboyhw can't afford going over -j4
[11:21] <zequence> DarkEra: Great. We could start working on something next week
[11:21] <zequence> smartboyhw: You can upload to PPA and have them built there
[11:22] <DarkEra> zequence, cool, i'm very excited about it already
[11:22] <smartboyhw> zequence: Even the source uploading will damn fail. I need to set up sftp then.
[11:23] <zequence> smartboyhw: If it fails, you're doing something wrong. But, we'll get to that.
[11:24] <smartboyhw> zequence: The kernel source is too big to be uploaded using ftp
[11:24] <smartboyhw> For me at least (like Calligra)
[11:24] <smartboyhw> Calligra only failed once, and that's a backport:P
[11:25] <smartboyhw> That's a known bug
[11:26] <zequence> smartboyhw: You should only need to upload the diff
[11:26] <zequence> Since you base it on a ubuntu kernel, there will be a .orig file to base it on
[11:26] <smartboyhw> zequence: I may not be able to spend so much time in Saucy cycle, I have school exams in early June, study tour to UK in July and piano exam in August-September
[11:27] <zequence> smartboyhw: piano exam? What will you be playing?
[11:27] <zequence> smartboyhw: piano exam? What will you be playing?
[11:27] <smartboyhw> zequence: Grade 8
[11:28] <smartboyhw> A piece from J.S. Bach, one from Beethoven and one from Chopin
[11:28] <zequence> smartboyhw: Not decided yet?
[11:29] <smartboyhw> zequence: Date not
[11:29] <zequence> smartboyhw: Yes, but the actual pieces?
[11:29] <smartboyhw> It will be told when I'm in UK
[11:29] <smartboyhw> zequence: Yes
[11:38] <zequence> smartboyhw: I was just curious on which exact pieces you would be playing and what you thought of them. I play a bit of piano myself, all though, I don't consider myself a pianist
[12:08] <ttoine> zequence, smartboyhw, a bit too much busy, this week ;-)
[12:08] <smartboyhw> zequence: Er let me list it
[12:09] <smartboyhw> 1st movement from Partita No.5 in G, BWV 829 by J.S. Bach
[12:10] <smartboyhw> And damn it it wasn't Beethoven for the 2nd piece, it is Clementi
[12:11] <smartboyhw> 3rd movemet from Sonata in G, Op. 37 No.2, by Muzio Clementi
[12:11] <smartboyhw> Grande Valse Brilliante, Op. 34 No. 3 by Frederyk Chopin
[12:14] <zequence> smartboyhw: Very good pieces for learning finger technique I suppose. A lot of scales up and down. Soft playing
[12:15] <zequence> I've never played any of those. Now that I hear them, makes sense for learning better technique
[12:15] <zequence> smartboyhw: Do you have any favorite piece you like to play just for fun?
[12:19] <smartboyhw> zequence: Eh let me take a shower first. My answer is the theme song of "You are the Apple of my eye", the Taiwanese movie which has gained the most box office in films made in the Greater China Region.
[12:25] <zequence> smartboyhw: I see why that movie might be so popular :)
[12:28] <zequence> This is one of my favorite pieces on piano. From Bachs Art of the Fugue, Contrapunctus 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmxMel8HHN8
[12:28] <zequence> A bit nerdy music, if I say so myself
[12:28] <zequence> but also very beautiful
[12:29] <zequence> Not really a piano piece, but you can play it fine on a piano
[12:35] <contrapunctus> Thanks, zequence ;)
[12:38] <DarkEra> and off he went into another dimension
[12:51] <zequence> Here's a guy that plays half a note down (they think d minor in those days was actually closer to c# minor, I guess) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFYLBwbXFXE
[12:51] <zequence> Sounds like walking in a hall of mirrors somehow
[13:01] <smartboyhw> lol
[13:06] <DarkEra> going for a walk, when i get back i'm going to install Ubuntu Gnome next to ubu studio and have a look around in preperation for next week
[13:06] <smartboyhw> DarkEra: thx!
[13:07] <DarkEra> hmm?
[13:40] <smartboyhw_> zequence: Sounds like Edubuntu did the KDE thing once
[13:58] <zequence> smartboyhw_: The main thing for us will be to ensure good performance for all our workflows
[13:58] <zequence> smartboyhw_: Well, that and a sane list of dependencies. We don't need libre office, etc
[13:59] <holstein> i dont mind having libre office
[13:59] <smartboyhw_> zequence: I will keep the apps the same
[13:59] <zequence> Actually, anything automatic in the background may need to be investigated, also for XFCE
[14:00] <zequence> holstein: It's not a Ubuntu Studio application suite
[14:00] <zequence> Unless, one considers it a part of publishing
[14:00] <zequence> we don't need it for a desktop base anyway
[14:00] <holstein> i think its just what folks expect to have..
[14:00] <holstein> i mean, i could get behind not having an office suite
[14:01] <smartboyhw_> zequence, holstein: I don't mind adding it. 
[14:01] <holstein> but, trading libreoffice for something lighter is not necessarily something i agree with
[14:01] <holstein> the iso is already *not* a CD size, and wont ever be
[14:01] <holstein> but, as always.. im with you guys
[14:02]  * smartboyhw_ suggests Calligra, since Krita is packaged within Calligra
[14:02] <holstein> just seems libreoffice is the flagship office suite, and is well supported
[14:02] <holstein> smartboyhw_: i would entertain using/testing that
[14:02] <smartboyhw_> holstein: sudo apt-get install calligra
[14:03] <zequence> About 350MB extra space. Well, it's an idea
[14:03] <zequence> But, my point was not about libreoffice
[14:03] <zequence> It was about what is important for a desktop base. not the choice of default installed packages for Ubuntu Studio
[14:04] <zequence> IF we will be having additional desktop bases, each of them needs to be optimized for multimedia, or there's no point in making special packages for them at all
[14:04] <smartboyhw_> zequence: A word processor and spreadsheet software:P
[14:04] <holstein> also, it could be about sneaking in a good set of wanted packages.. to give us an edge
[14:04] <holstein> good is a matter of opinion.. but if folks want "light" ubuntu with a certain set of packages installed, they might come to ubuntustudio
[14:04] <zequence> holstein: We're discussing adding new desktop metas, adding to the existing one
[14:05] <zequence> so, doing one based on LXDE would be light
[14:05] <zequence> one based on Unity, would not be
[14:05] <holstein> cool
[14:05] <zequence> But, all of them needs to be optimized for multimedia
[14:05] <holstein> i'll go on record as saying i think its uncessary
[14:05] <zequence> That is the point I'm trying to get across right now
[14:05] <holstein> and again, im with you guys
[14:05] <smartboyhw_> zequence, so only GNOME, KDE and LXDE?
[14:06] <zequence> smartboyhw_: It's up to anyone who wants to do the work
[14:06] <holstein> libreoffice works fine in LXDE
[14:06] <zequence> holstein: Again, I wasn't talking about default installed backages, but about the desktop base
[14:06] <holstein> right
[14:07] <smartboyhw_> zequence: For a strange thing nobody ever suggested using LXDE for a multimedia distro at all
[14:07] <holstein> having an ubuntustudio-LXDE-desktop or whatever
[14:07] <holstein> and other ones...
[14:07] <zequence> If we do add more choices, we could make them choosable when installing from the DVD
[14:07] <smartboyhw_> zequence: OK
[14:07] <zequence> But, we can't ship the actual binaries on DVD
[14:08] <zequence> The user will need to be connected to the internet
[14:08] <zequence> Only the default desktop will be on DVD, which is XFCE
[14:08] <smartboyhw_> But we need to remind them that they need internet connections… (Ah damn you said it already)
[14:08] <zequence> We don't need to remind them. We make the installer be aware of it
[14:09] <zequence> As it is already for updates and restricted extras
[14:09] <smartboyhw_> zequence: OK
[14:11] <zequence> libre office is about 350 MB extra space. I'm not for adding it right now anyway. I do however think some of it relates to our publishing workflow. Exactly what could be investigated
[14:11] <zequence> If anyone wants to start sketching on blueprints, you are free to start now
[14:11] <smartboyhw_> zequence: Sketching i.e. = ?
[14:12] <smartboyhw_> How to define?
[14:12] <zequence> smartboyhw_: whiteboard text, and workitems
[14:12] <smartboyhw_> zequence: What blueprints do we have now? I would rather add a DE support blueprint
[14:13] <zequence> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-s-flavor-ubuntustudio
[14:13] <zequence> We have a desktop blueprint
[14:14] <smartboyhw_> zequence: OK
[14:14] <zequence> But, if you really want to start a KDE desktop meta, you can start a new blueprint
[14:14] <zequence> For the Ubuntu project, with the same sort of naming
[14:14] <zequence> I'll add it as a dependency later
[14:14] <zequence> Nothing is written in stone yet, so we can move things around
[14:15] <CoCo|> Hi I'm new 0.o see you guys are arguing about libre office??
[14:15] <zequence> ubuntustudio-s-meta means the meta source package, where all of our metas are defined
[14:15] <zequence> CoCo|: Not really arguing yet
[14:15] <smartboyhw_> zequence: OK. Do you think it's gd or not to actually add DE-specific blueprints?
[14:16] <smartboyhw_> Hello CoCo| :)
[14:16] <zequence> smartboyhw_: As I said, if you really want to do a KDE desktop base, start a new blueprint for it
[14:16] <zequence> Call it ubuntustudio-s-desktop-kde
[14:16] <smartboyhw_> zequence: OK 
[14:16]  * smartboyhw_ goes does that
[14:16] <zequence> smartboyhw_: I'll add it as a dependency
[14:17] <zequence> smartboyhw_: You'll be responsible for that blueprint, but I will still want to assure quality on whatever ends up in the Ubuntu repo and our DVD under the Ubuntu Studio name
[14:18] <zequence> So, I might have occasional remarks, or suggestions
[14:18] <zequence> The goal is for each desktop base to be optimized for multimedia
[14:18] <zequence> If it is not, then there's no point in doing one for Ubuntu Studio
[14:19] <smartboyhw_> zequence: Assignee, Drafter and Approver?
[14:19] <smartboyhw_> zequence: OK;)
[14:19] <zequence> smartboyhw_: Make ubuntustudio-core the approver, the rest is for you
[14:20] <smartboyhw_> ok
[14:21] <smartboyhw_> zequence: Hmm why is there a "dev" sprint?
[14:22] <smartboyhw_> Back
[14:22] <zequence> smartboyhw_: Don't worry about the sprints. We can fix any details later too
[14:22] <smartboyhw_> zequence: OK
[14:23] <zequence> smartboyhw_: You'll need to create a bzr branch for the desktop meta. You can add one to the ubuntustudio-dev repos
[14:24] <zequence> ubuntustudio-desktop-kde seems like a proper name. I'm not comfortable using kubuntustudio as of yet, anyway. that is something that could be discussed
[14:26]  * holstein +1 on ubuntustudio-desktop-***
[14:26] <zequence> We'll need to add a file for it in our seeds too
[14:26] <zequence> The metas get all their dependencies from the seeds
[14:27] <holstein> i guess the question is, what does it change?
[14:27] <smartboyhw_> zequence: Check. The blueprint is in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntustudio-s-desktop-kde
[14:27] <zequence> holstein: What does what change?
[14:27] <holstein> lets say i have kubuntu installed.. what does that change? and do i want to have anything changed?
[14:28] <zequence> holstein: We'll be introducing ubuntustudio-controls to the mix later on. There will be differences, in optimization, package selection, settings, and theming
[14:29] <zequence> Just changing the theme is not going to be reason enough anyway
[14:29] <smartboyhw_> Hello DarkEra:)
[14:29] <DarkEra> hi smartboyhw_ 
[14:30] <zequence> The differences don't need to be huge. They just need to be improvements for multimedia
[14:30] <zequence> And preferably, installable from the main ISO
[14:33] <zequence> One of the most obvious things one might want to change is desktop effects
[14:34] <zequence> Another, background processes, like file indexing, or checking for updates. Anything automatic might cause problems, and may need to be shut off
[14:34] <zequence> Probably many of those processes are the same on many of the flavors
[14:35] <zequence> Might be worth to make the switchable, using -controls
[14:35] <smartboyhw_> yep
[14:53] <CoCo|> Anyone have a link to most recent developmental ISO?? I keep getting a broken link. 
[14:54] <smartboyhw_> CoCo| just refer to the channel topic, the download link has 13.04
[14:54] <zequence> CoCo|: Are you interested in helping out with development?
[14:54] <CoCo|> I've been a Linux user for 10 years I think its time to help lol
[14:54] <smartboyhw_> We don't have saucy ISOs
[14:54] <zequence> CoCo|: Development of the next release has not really started yet, as 13.04 was just released. We'll be mostly doing planning for a couple of weeks
[14:54] <smartboyhw_> CoCo| \o/
[14:55] <zequence> CoCo|: You're most welcome to join us
[14:55] <CoCo|> Yeah I figured I just got back into coding I've been working on my Indy game projects mostly
[14:55] <zequence> CoCo|: next week planning will start more seriously. In May, there will be a virtual Ubuntu Developer Summit. After that, you could say, development really starts
[14:56] <zequence> CoCo|: What sort of things are you most interested in concerning Ubuntu Studio?
[14:57] <CoCo|> I was studying OS X and iOS recently a
[14:57] <CoCo|> Looking at connectivity and how things work. I'd really like to incorporate some of those things into this distro
[14:58] <CoCo|> I feel like that's never been done properly along any distro
[15:00] <CoCo|> Like the argument earlier about libre office. Its better to have a office suite standard but open office and Google docs are a better fit in my opinion 
[15:00] <zequence> CoCo|: Why is Open Office preferable to Libre Office, do you think?
[15:01] <zequence> CoCo|: Connectivity, if you're talking about account related stuff, you should talk to ubuntu one devs, and also, DE devs
[15:02] <zequence> We don't really develop much software here. We do some, but most of the work is in administering sources, fixing bugs, and communication upstream about bugs and ideas
[15:03] <CoCo|> Outside of accounts. With android and soon ubuntu phone I feel there should be more to flow
[15:04] <CoCo|> Airplay on apple being a perfect example. HiFi music is amazing and I miss it
[15:04] <zequence> Ok, so Apps?
[15:04] <CoCo|> Yeah I suppose
[15:05] <zequence> CoCo|: Ubuntu is looking for people who want to code apps, and you should be able to find support on both IRC and mail lists. Here's a good place to start http://developer.ubuntu.com/
[15:05] <zequence> App coding is still pretty new
[15:06] <zequence> I mean, apps for Unity. And I'm not sure how that works between the phone and the destop yet
[15:06] <zequence> I will want to look at what we can do on a phone or a table later on, but probably that will mostly be about adding a linux-lowlatency for arm, and maybe some kind of jack control app
[15:07] <CoCo|> That would be awesome id love to help with that. 
[15:07] <zequence> We are actually among the least DE orientated among all the distros, as we focus mostly on multimedia
[15:09] <CoCo|> Yeah I understand. But since I develop multimedia I use studio. 
[15:09] <smartboyhw_> zequence: linux-lowlatency on ARM? That's new
[15:10] <zequence> CoCo|: falktx who made KXStudio has a jack controls library in python, if you're interested
[15:11] <zequence> CoCo|: Also, I'm going to start working on ubuntustudio-controls this summer, which in the best scenariou would be a all-in-one audio control application, also one which tunes all sorts of multimedia related settings
[15:11] <zequence> You are welcome to help with that. It will be written in python. 
[15:11] <CoCo|> Hell yeah I'm down
[15:12] <CoCo|> I don't speak the snake much. But I'd be willing to catch up to help out
[15:13] <zequence> I'm not a big coder myself. So, if anyone wants to take the lead on the hands on work, I don't really care what language it is, as long as it's not too obscure
[15:13] <zequence> c could work too
[15:13] <zequence> Not sure about GTK or QT yet
[15:13] <smartboyhw_> zequence: one good thing I'm learning Python at sku
[15:14] <CoCo|> I speak C. I'm going to take lessons for python I've gotten big on expanding I'm knowledge
[15:14] <CoCo|> Coursera has a lot of classes in coding and that's what I'm learning from currently
[15:15] <zequence> CoCo|: If you stick around for a couple of weeks, I'm sure there will be some concrete ideas to start working from
[15:15] <CoCo|> I'll be here I really want to dedicate to this
[15:16] <CoCo|> I'm overall impressed with how serious people in a volunteer community work. 
[15:17] <zequence> CoCo|: Since the development release right now is basically 13.04, it is fine to start from that. I don't care which DE you use for development, but if you want to do testing, I recommend installing a pure Ubuntu Studio 13.04, which you keep only for testing things
[15:17] <zequence> CoCo|: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/JoinTheTeam
[15:17] <zequence> Installing a development release means, installing 13.04, no matter which DE. 
[15:18] <CoCo|> But I love cinnamon :(
[15:18] <zequence> Next https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/SetupDeveloperEnvironment
[15:18] <zequence> CoCo|: Use it if you want. No problem
[15:18] <zequence> CoCo|: Just make sure, that if you do testing later on, you have a specific install only for that
[15:18] <zequence> I do development on Gnome3 myself
[15:19] <zequence> You'll need a Launchpad account, a GPG key, and a SSH key
[15:19] <zequence> CoCo|: Once you got all of that, let me know. 
[15:19] <CoCo|> Right-O I'll get started.
[15:25] <zequence> madeinkobaia: Hey man
[15:25] <madeinkobaia> zequence : Hi :) 
[15:26] <zequence> smartboyhw_: I didn't know python was that common in school. What other languages do you learn?
[15:28] <smartboyhw_> zequence: Currently in school only Python, we voted it over C, Pascal and Java. I did learn C and C++ a bit before
[15:28] <zequence> smartboyhw_: The students had a vote, and chose pythong? wow
[15:31] <smartboyhw_> zequence: Actually that's because our teacher showed an example that will stop showing inputs when n = 42, and Python uses the least lines;P
[15:32] <smartboyhw_> I really want to learn Python though
[15:32] <zequence> ttoine: Do you have any good advice on how to set up the homepage so that people can comment easily, and we don't get too much spam?
[15:32] <smartboyhw_> Testdrive and all that
[15:32] <zequence> python is really handy when developing on Debian based for sure
[15:33] <smartboyhw_> zequence: I seemed to be more focusing on dev for 13.10 :O
[15:33] <zequence> smartboyhw_: That is Debian based
[15:34] <ttoine> zequence, the homepage ?
[15:34] <zequence> ttoine: Well, any homepage, but in this case, ubuntustudio.org
[15:34] <ttoine> with wordpress ?
[15:34] <zequence> ttoine: Yes
[15:35] <smartboyhw_> zequence: You mean Testdrive or 13.10?
[15:35] <ttoine> zequence, you want people to comment on the frontpage ? not on article ?
[15:35] <zequence> Right now, only people who are members of the Ubuntu Studio team are supposed to be able to post, but we're getting a lot of spam. I might have bad settings, need to check
[15:36] <zequence> ttoine: I'm just referring to the security approach
[15:36] <zequence> We get comments from all sorts of sites
[15:36] <zequence> It's like some kind of a loopback
[15:37] <zequence> When someone mentions Ubuntu Studio somehwere
[15:37] <zequence> Ah, I found the setting
[15:37] <zequence> "Allow link notifications from other blogs"
[15:38] <zequence> I think that solves it :P
[15:38] <zequence> Why would we want that?
[15:38] <ttoine> zequence, yes, you should disable pingback
[15:38] <ttoine> It should be that
[15:38] <ttoine> zequence, is akismet enabled for spam management ?
[15:39] <smartboyhw_> ttoine: Yes
[15:39] <zequence> ttoine: Yes
[15:40] <ttoine> ok so it should work well now if pingback is disabled
[15:41] <smartboyhw_> Signing off for night. Goodbye zequence and ttoine. /me needs to remind self to get rid of pingbacks.
[15:41] <ttoine> I am very sorry to be so busy and be able to help you a lot.
[15:42] <DarkEra> don't be sorry ttoine :)
[15:42] <ttoine> for information, I chatted a bit with Echo developers and their new USB high end sound card (2 i/o) should work out of the box on linux
[15:42] <zequence> ttoine: Great news
[15:42] <DarkEra> that's great news indeed
[15:42] <zequence> ttoine: We should post things like that. If you don't have the time, could you just give us the quick details, and I can do it
[15:43] <zequence> We really need more people working with PR
[15:43] <ttoine> but... it should. it means we have to try! and it costs 450€
[15:43] <ttoine> it is great that we start to post news!*
[15:44] <zequence> Yes, it will really make a difference, I think. It will draw more people towards our distro, and make it richer
[15:44] <zequence> more users, more developers, more everything
[15:45] <ttoine> for you to dream, debian based inside https://twitter.com/HarrisonMixbus/status/327483055289815040/photo/1
[15:45] <ttoine> it runs a software with the same engine as mixbus
[15:45] <ttoine> zequence, more everything ;-)
[15:45] <ttoine> and the branded stuff shop is on the road!
[15:46] <ttoine> madeinkobaia, if you are here, can I just have some news from you ?
[15:46] <zequence> Wow
[15:46] <madeinkobaia> ttoine : I am here
[15:46] <ttoine> everybody's here
[15:47] <madeinkobaia> ttoine : How are you ?
[15:47] <ttoine> busy ;-)
[15:47] <ttoine> and you
[15:47] <DarkEra> heya madeinkobaia ;)
[15:47] <madeinkobaia> ttoine : Cool :)
[15:48] <madeinkobaia> darkera : Hi : )
[15:51] <zequence> madeinkobaia: I'd like to add a small html box in the sidebar of our homepage
[15:52] <zequence> madeinkobaia: I was thinking of your banner for the social sites, but one which more or less only has the notion of 13.04 is out, and maybe the background logo. Something similar to the social graphics anyway
[15:53] <madeinkobaia> zequence : Ok, no problems. Tell me the details, the size mainly. I will do that
[15:54] <madeinkobaia> zequence : By size I mean dimensions of the box.
[15:55] <zequence> madeinkobaia: Yes. I will look at that right away
[15:56] <madeinkobaia> zequence : Great. Bbl :)
[16:05] <zequence> madeinkobaia: I think width, at the most, 250px. This example is almost the proportions of a CD, but you are free to do whatever you like. http://www.ubuntustudio.mousike.me/
[16:07] <zequence> This is my staging site, btw. Where we can do experimentations if we want to change something on the site
[16:08] <DarkEra> cool^
[16:59] <madeinkobaia> zequence : Good idea the staging site : ) If we're agree on the dimensions (250x200) I will do the box background this we.
[17:05] <zequence> madeinkobaia: I don't care about the height. 250px is not too wide anyway
[17:05] <madeinkobaia> zequence : I just ask my self...a 250² px could be more interesting. A square format is more multipurpose and could usable in other contexts.
[17:06] <zequence> madeinkobaia: Sure
[17:07] <zequence> madeinkobaia: We could develop that into a imbedded code idea, for people to use on their websites, if they want to
[17:08] <zequence> embedded*
[17:08] <madeinkobaia> zequence : Perfect idea.So, ok for the square. The main element you want to focus on is "13.04 available now ? "
[17:08] <zequence> madeinkobaia: Yeah, basically. But it's nice to keep the same style over everything
[17:09] <zequence> madeinkobaia: I feel it's starting to grow. And I'm eager to see what we can come up for 14.04 on these ideas
[17:09] <zequence> This seems like practice before the big event
[17:10] <madeinkobaia> zequence : One thing is sure...that will rocks ! : )
[17:10] <zequence> madeinkobaia: :D
[17:10] <madeinkobaia> 8-)
[17:15] <madeinkobaia> zequence : I will do the square with round borders (.png + transparency). Normally that works on any navigator now. (Maybe still not with iexplorer 8>10, has they don't respect W3C standards). I must check that.
[17:18] <zequence> madeinkobaia: cool
[17:23] <madeinkobaia> zequence : I am back from forums and I have an instant headache when I try to understand how IE works ;) So, I think it will be Ok, anyway people have to use a good internet browser (who said Firefox ?)...no middle-age computing.
[17:25] <madeinkobaia> IMO
[17:28] <zequence> I think this is an interesting picture http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Countries_by_most_used_web_browser.svg
[17:28] <zequence> They say people who use IE has the lowest IQ :P
[17:29] <madeinkobaia> looool
[17:29] <zequence> And Opera has the highest (Belarus??)
[17:31] <madeinkobaia> Damn I think Belgium is in...blue : /
[17:31] <DarkEra> O_o
[17:31] <zequence> Seems like Chromium is winning the war http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-ww-daily-20130327-20130425-map
[17:32] <zequence> This is a more recent one (last 30 days)
[17:32] <zequence> Even Belarus is using Chrome more
[17:32] <DarkEra> IE is used by all the spammers and their bots
[17:32] <zequence> Belgium is green, you are sage :) http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-eu-daily-20130327-20130425-map
[17:32] <zequence> safe*
[17:33] <zequence> It's just the Dutch and the Swizz who are behind
[17:35] <madeinkobaia> darkera : We have escaped from the shame :D
[17:35] <DarkEra> madeinkobaia, wooohoo!
[17:35] <DarkEra> :D
[17:51] <zequence> madeinkobaia: This is a bit of a pedantic request, but do you think you could remove the white background from the COF? It only works when there is a white background
[17:57] <madeinkobaia> zequence : Sure I can, I already tried on G+, works fine. We are on a telepathic creative wave :D
[17:57] <zequence> hehe
[21:16] <Len-nb> zequence, there has been some talk above that seemed to be headed in the using unity for Studio. My only comment is that there have been a number of people who have done audio with unity and were asking for help because of problems. As I recall all of the problems went away when unity was not used.
[21:16] <Len-nb> Unity may work well for some people with audio.
[21:16] <Len-nb> but there have been more support requests with unity than without.
[21:20] <zequence> Len-nb: Unity makes sense also since it will be converged between desktop and phone later on
[21:21] <Len-nb> More support problems never makes sense
[21:21] <zequence> I don't think desktop related problems are that much of a worry for us though
[21:21] <zequence> And not a big variable when it comes to multimedia problems
[21:22] <Len-nb> unity seems to have been a problem. People have switched away from unity and their problems have gone away
[21:22] <zequence> What kind of problems are you talking about?
[21:22] <Len-nb> Audio problems... which are our worry
[21:23] <Len-nb> stability , xruns etc
[21:23] <zequence> I dont' see how Unity can cause audio problems
[21:23] <Len-nb> Shouldn't
[21:23] <Len-nb> I have seen three or four cases where it has.
[21:23] <zequence> Increased graphics activity will of course make a difference
[21:24] <zequence> But, it's still more about the kernel. From doing some cyclic tests, I've noticed one thing
[21:24] <zequence> The chance for getting xruns may be high, but you swon't get them
[21:24] <zequence> So, you are fooled
[21:25] <zequence> The cyclic test shows the headroom a bit more clearly
[21:25] <zequence> If you add stress to the system, you are likely to get more xruns, if you're below the headroom that your system and your latency settings allow
[21:26] <zequence> If you have very little stress, you might not get any xruns, but that's all
[21:26] <zequence> I mean, you haven't improved the headroom for xruns. You've just relaxed the system enough for them to not happen as often
[21:26] <Len-nb> Yup.
[21:27] <Len-nb> Maybe with the move to MIR there will be more headroom
[21:28] <zequence> May be the other way around too
[21:29] <zequence> They might not be focusing on low latency
[21:29] <zequence> Rather on long battery life
[21:31] <Len-nb> Ya, gotta pick up son now
[21:45] <DarkEra> playing around a bit with Gnome 3, this one looks nice