[00:15] Well, looks like in a couple releases, it may just be Xubuntu on GTK? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/lubuntu-users/2013-April/003941.html [01:01] not to worry, elementary 0.3 might be released in a few years [01:01] :D === yofel_ is now known as yofel === lool- is now known as lool [08:06] i am the only one regretting not running the upgrade tests? [08:11] what are they? [08:24] gry, in the iso tracker, we were meant to test upgrading 12.10 to 13.04, no one did, and as a result it's super buggy [08:29] can someone confirm that 13.04 has 2 bluetooth icons if you upgrade? [08:29] think i've also seen that in clean installs before [08:30] blueman and some other bluetooth applet [08:41] gnome bluetooth [08:42] also, my grub and linux images didn't install properly :( [10:28] micahg, you around? [10:32] micahg, bug 1173114 [10:32] bug 1173114 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Xubuntu Raring uses Quantal wallpaper by default" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1173114 [11:14] unit193 knome micahg noskcaj -- Considering the GTK issue raised by unit193 last night, we should start logging issues to discuss here: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/xubuntu-desktop/+spec/client-xubuntu-1305 [11:16] I already threw a couple issues on the whiteboard as is [12:59] can i suggest to add a topic to the saucy issues, for the consideration of HUD integration? [13:02] GridCube, you are free to add any items to the whiteboard [13:02] :) excellent [13:02] do you want me to make a wiki with rationalization about it? [13:02] not at this point [13:03] we're preparing/planning the uds session, where we'll disuss there further [13:03] :) [13:03] *these [13:03] after we've done that session, we should look at specifications [13:05] :) [13:05] done === daim2k5_Zzz is now known as daim2k5 [17:54] knome: when you are about - should I add system setting description change against blueprint, or just create a bug? [18:00] or of course anyone else with an opinion :) [19:06] elfy, i'd say just a bug is fine [19:06] ok - as soon as I've got it intsalled as smug smaug I'll report it [19:07] evening Noskcaj [19:07] morning [19:13] Noskcaj: Upgrade went fine for me, only didn't install new kernels (I use liquorix on that one anyway.) And I also had to hold a couple more packages for sane Indicator support. [19:13] mmh [19:13] the upgrades haven't been disastrous for me neither [19:13] -n [19:14] ok, then i need to try and fix some things [19:14] I still have proper indicators too. :D [19:15] knome: I find the sound one even more helpful on a desktop, that way you have an easy way to change volume. [19:15] i don't use indicators at all on the desktop [19:15] i have an small external box for changing the volume though [19:18] meh, we didn't update our countdown banners [19:18] * knome doesn't care tonight [19:18] time to do non-FOSS things [19:18] my issues: upubuntu hasn't got it's PPAs working, i had 2 bluetooth indicators to start with, then i deleted the network manager. i'm missing: grub-pc, linux-image-extra-3.8.0-19-generic, linux-image-generic, linux-generic, initramfs-tools [19:20] there's no promises about PPA's anyway [19:34] What's everyones opinion on how many alpha/beta/candence releases we run? [19:38] it's entirely possible that everyone's opinion is glad that's over for 6 months and are taking a well earned rest [19:38] however - as I took a 6 month break ... [19:38] Noskcaj, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/xubuntu-desktop/+spec/client-xubuntu-1305 [19:38] I don't think that alpha's help much - better to call for testing as and when they are wanted [19:39] knome, that's what i was working off, didn't know where to put comments. [19:40] if i took a break i'd just spend more time modding my PC, so i'm staying here. [19:40] Good to know generally if the CDs work, and then targetted applications that are ours, like gmusicbrowser, catfish, themes, etc. [19:41] i think we should have one alpha, just to try and set an actually target half way through the series [19:41] Unit193: which shouldn't need an alpha/beta or anything - just people testing regularly [19:41] and get a bigger focus on the upgrade tests since we missed them entirely [19:42] elfy, exactly, although oversized images are a different matter [19:42] it's certainly easy enough for me to make people aware that are regular testers on the forum [19:42] Noskcaj: not following that [19:43] elfy, although not really a testing thing, many flavours released oversized or only fixed it in the last few days [19:43] is it not only lubuntu now that fits on a cd? [19:44] knome: Would it help if I did what I did about a week ago, only much earlier? :P [19:44] the size shouldn't matter if it's going to need a dvd or usb [19:44] Unit193, yeah. [19:47] (I did it for my own purposes, but if it actually helps I should be doing it earlier.) [19:48] * elfy is curious [19:48] elfy, looking at the seeds [19:49] ok [19:49] elfy: Nothing much, just doing a diff on what's actually installed on the CD so I can update my script for a respin. [19:49] elfy, lubuntu, netboot and server fit on cd [19:50] although server PPC didn't for 13.04 [19:51] this is the xubuntu development channel [19:51] indeed [19:51] so afaik - we don't need to even think about oversize [19:52] yep [19:52] mrrr, why isn't my translation working [19:54] tired and irritable? [19:54] knome: Ah, that reminds me, mind publishing plop? [19:54] Unit193, should do that soon [19:55] yay, poedit in raring shows context [19:55] Danke. [19:56] * knome puts on the new von hertzen brothers album and starts fighting the translation [19:56] elfy, ^ you might like that, progish rock [19:57] looks [19:59] sounds ok - or at least the one on their website does [19:59] :) [20:17] lol [20:17] lolwut? [20:17] that shows how much I know about wireless and *buntu [20:17] gaaah [20:17] how long has it remembered wireless passwords from live to install for :p [20:18] do you know any more about gettext? :P [20:18] probably not :p [20:18] heh [20:18] i'm baffled. [20:19] so was I [20:20] That's alright, the auto(re-)connect feature is broken for me, you too? [20:21] I'd not have the first idea [20:34] night === daim2k5 is now known as daim2k5_Zzz [21:32] Noskcaj: If you have comments on the blueprint, edit the whiteboard. Follow the pattern and add discussion questions perhaps or maybe a view of alternatives from the testing perspective. [21:33] * skellat disappears since he cannot walk and type on his netbook around Cleveland Clinic's main campus [21:38] knome: not feeling so great, won't be able to look at it until tomorrow night [21:40] micahg, that's fine. get well soon :) [21:47] If we do follow up on the idea of a "HUD" for xubuntu, we should try and get Studio and Lubuntu involved as it would help all of the projects [21:50] That'd be a long way off anyway, but Lubuntu is lightweight and wouldn't (or shouldn't) be interested. [21:51] Something to note about it, since Unity is going the way of Qt, wouldn't this? [22:03] 1. Lubuntu being involved would require it to be really light. 2. I assume so