[00:15] <Unit193> Well, looks like in a couple releases, it may just be Xubuntu on GTK?  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/lubuntu-users/2013-April/003941.html
[01:01] <bluesabre> not to worry, elementary 0.3 might be released in a few years
[01:01] <bluesabre> :D
[08:06] <Noskcaj> i am the only one regretting not running the upgrade tests?
[08:11] <gry> what are they?
[08:24] <Noskcaj> gry, in the iso tracker, we were meant to test upgrading 12.10 to 13.04, no one did, and as a result it's super buggy
[08:29] <Noskcaj> can someone confirm that 13.04 has 2 bluetooth icons if you upgrade?
[08:29] <ochosi> think i've also seen that in clean installs before
[08:30] <ochosi> blueman and some other bluetooth applet
[08:41] <Noskcaj> gnome bluetooth
[08:42] <Noskcaj> also, my grub and linux images didn't install properly :(
[10:28] <knome> micahg, you around?
[10:32] <knome> micahg, bug 1173114
[11:14] <skellat> unit193 knome micahg noskcaj -- Considering the GTK issue raised by unit193 last night, we should start logging issues to discuss here: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/xubuntu-desktop/+spec/client-xubuntu-1305
[11:16] <skellat> I already threw a couple issues on the whiteboard as is
[12:59] <GridCube> can i suggest to add a topic to the saucy issues, for the consideration of HUD integration?
[13:02] <knome> GridCube, you are free to add any items to the whiteboard
[13:02] <GridCube> :) excellent
[13:02] <GridCube> do you want me to make a wiki with rationalization about it?
[13:02] <knome> not at this point
[13:03] <knome> we're preparing/planning the uds session, where we'll disuss there further
[13:03] <GridCube> :)
[13:03] <knome> *these
[13:03] <knome> after we've done that session, we should look at specifications
[13:05] <GridCube> :)
[13:05] <GridCube> done
[17:54] <elfy> knome: when you are about - should I add system setting description change against blueprint, or just create a bug?
[18:00] <elfy> or of course anyone else with an opinion :)
[19:06] <knome> elfy, i'd say just a bug is fine
[19:06] <elfy> ok - as soon as I've got it intsalled as smug smaug I'll report it 
[19:07] <elfy> evening Noskcaj 
[19:07] <Noskcaj> morning
[19:13] <Unit193> Noskcaj: Upgrade went fine for me, only didn't install new kernels (I use liquorix on that one anyway.)  And I also had to hold a couple more packages for sane Indicator support.
[19:13] <knome> mmh
[19:13] <knome> the upgrades haven't been disastrous for me neither
[19:13] <knome> -n
[19:14] <Noskcaj> ok, then i need to try and fix some things
[19:14] <Unit193> I still have proper indicators too. :D
[19:15] <Unit193> knome: I find the sound one even more helpful on a desktop, that way you have an easy way to change volume.
[19:15] <knome> i don't use indicators at all on the desktop
[19:15] <knome> i have an small external box for changing the volume though
[19:18] <knome> meh, we didn't update our countdown banners
[19:18]  * knome doesn't care tonight
[19:18] <knome> time to do non-FOSS things
[19:18] <Noskcaj> my issues: upubuntu hasn't got it's PPAs working, i had 2 bluetooth indicators to start with, then i deleted the network manager. i'm missing:  grub-pc, linux-image-extra-3.8.0-19-generic, linux-image-generic, linux-generic, initramfs-tools
[19:20] <knome> there's no promises about PPA's anyway
[19:34] <Noskcaj> What's everyones opinion on how many alpha/beta/candence releases we run?
[19:38] <elfy> it's entirely possible that everyone's opinion is glad that's over for 6 months and are taking a well earned rest
[19:38] <elfy> however - as I took a 6 month break ... 
[19:38] <knome> Noskcaj, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/xubuntu-desktop/+spec/client-xubuntu-1305
[19:38] <elfy> I don't think that alpha's help much - better to call for testing as and when they are wanted
[19:39] <Noskcaj> knome, that's what i was working off, didn't know where to put comments.
[19:40] <Noskcaj> if i took a break i'd just spend more time modding my PC, so i'm staying here. 
[19:40] <Unit193> Good to know generally if the CDs work, and then targetted applications that are ours, like gmusicbrowser, catfish, themes, etc.
[19:41] <Noskcaj> i think we should have one alpha, just to try and set an actually target half way through the series
[19:41] <elfy> Unit193: which shouldn't need an alpha/beta or anything - just people testing regularly
[19:41] <Noskcaj> and get a bigger focus on the upgrade tests since we missed them entirely
[19:42] <Noskcaj> elfy, exactly, although oversized images are a different matter
[19:42] <elfy> it's certainly easy enough for me to make people aware that are regular testers on the forum 
[19:42] <elfy> Noskcaj: not following that
[19:43] <Noskcaj> elfy, although not really a testing thing, many flavours released oversized or only fixed it in the last few days
[19:43] <elfy> is it not only lubuntu now that fits on a cd?
[19:44] <Unit193> knome: Would it help if I did what I did about a week ago, only much earlier?  :P
[19:44] <elfy> the size shouldn't matter if it's going to need a dvd or usb
[19:44] <knome> Unit193, yeah.
[19:47] <Unit193> (I did it for my own purposes, but if it actually helps I should be doing it earlier.)
[19:48]  * elfy is curious
[19:48] <knome> elfy, looking at the seeds
[19:49] <elfy> ok
[19:49] <Unit193> elfy: Nothing much, just doing a diff on what's actually installed on the CD so I can update my script for a respin.
[19:49] <Noskcaj> elfy, lubuntu, netboot and server fit on cd
[19:50] <Noskcaj> although server PPC didn't for 13.04
[19:51] <knome> this is the xubuntu development channel
[19:51] <elfy> indeed
[19:51] <elfy> so afaik - we don't need to even think about oversize
[19:52] <knome> yep
[19:52] <knome> mrrr, why isn't my translation working
[19:54] <elfy> tired and irritable?
[19:54] <Unit193> knome: Ah, that reminds me, mind publishing plop?
[19:54] <knome> Unit193, should do that soon
[19:55] <knome> yay, poedit in raring shows context
[19:55] <Unit193> Danke.
[19:56]  * knome puts on the new von hertzen brothers album and starts fighting the translation
[19:56] <knome> elfy, ^ you might like that, progish rock
[19:57] <elfy> looks
[19:59] <elfy> sounds ok - or at least the one on their website does 
[19:59] <knome> :)
[20:17] <elfy> lol
[20:17] <knome> lolwut?
[20:17] <elfy> that shows how much I know about wireless and *buntu
[20:17] <knome> gaaah
[20:17] <elfy> how long has it remembered wireless passwords from live to install for :p
[20:18] <knome> do you know any more about gettext? :P
[20:18] <elfy> probably not :p
[20:18] <knome> heh
[20:18] <knome> i'm baffled.
[20:19] <elfy> so was I
[20:20] <Unit193> That's alright, the auto(re-)connect feature is broken for me, you too?
[20:21] <elfy> I'd not have the first idea 
[20:34] <elfy> night 
[21:32] <skellat> Noskcaj: If you have comments on the blueprint, edit the whiteboard.  Follow the pattern and add discussion questions perhaps or maybe a view of alternatives from the testing perspective.
[21:33]  * skellat disappears since he cannot walk and type on his netbook around Cleveland Clinic's main campus
[21:38] <micahg> knome: not feeling so great, won't be able to look at it until tomorrow night
[21:40] <knome> micahg, that's fine. get well soon :)
[21:47] <Noskcaj> If we do follow up on the idea of a "HUD" for xubuntu, we should try and get Studio and Lubuntu involved as it would help all of the projects
[21:50] <Unit193> That'd be a long way off anyway, but Lubuntu is lightweight and wouldn't (or shouldn't) be interested.
[21:51] <Unit193> Something to note about it, since Unity is going the way of Qt, wouldn't this?
[22:03] <Noskcaj> 1. Lubuntu being involved would require it to be really light. 2. I assume so