[00:44] question about xubuntu 13.04 my machine dosent have bluetooth capabilities and ive uninstalled blueman why is there still a bluetooth icon in my top panel? [00:50] MrHotsauce: there's a specific bluetooth dock applet that comes with xfce, iirc. open up ubuntu software manager, click on "Installed" and search for bluetooth [00:50] there should be something still installed [00:50] after that, sudo apt-get autoremove [00:55] ah thanks nukke that worked! i have another 4 machines i need to upgrade today none of which have bluetooth capabilities so ill be using that a few times today [00:56] glad it worked MrHotsauce :) [01:18] Hi [01:18] hi [01:19] my laptop has a eSATA/USB connection which is listed as eSATA HD on the boot menu. Can I use it to install from a USB Flash? [01:20] I honestly dont see why not. Most of those are listed as esata/usb to the bios [01:20] only one way to find out for sure. [01:20] I don't have a flash and the stores close in 10 mins! :) [01:21] hmm [01:21] better hurry then :p [01:21] I've a 2 year old Qosmio [01:21] that should work fine [01:21] and I envy you [01:22] im on a satallite c655d right now [01:22] is the other option DVD since 13.04 doesn't fit on a single CD anymore? [01:22] yes [01:22] that's a Toshiba too [01:22] yup [01:22] how old is it? [01:22] I threw an ssd in it, and upgraded the memory to 8gb [01:22] hrm [01:22] 4 years? 3 [01:22] something around there [01:23] sadly this notebook has lasted me longer than any dell or lenovo has [01:23] I threw in 2 480 GB SanDisk SSDs! :D [01:23] hah [01:23] sadly? [01:23] I couldnt spend more on a disk than the machine si worth :p [01:23] :D [01:23] do u install using a USB? [01:23] yes [01:24] does it say eSATA on the boot menu? [01:24] Nope, this machine only has two usb ports [01:25] then, since my eSATA connection takes a usb too, chances are I can install from a USB drive too [01:25] yes [01:25] lemme dash down the street [01:25] it will definatly be quicker [01:25] the best computer store in Vancouver/Canada is like 6 blocks from my apartment [01:25] it's called NCIX [01:26] most of them around here are owned by arrogent asses [01:26] don't you guys have walmarts or any other department store? [01:26] you can get a flash drive almost anywhere that sells any kind of electronics [01:27] I have one around 50 miles from me [01:27] I live in the middle of nowhere usa :p [01:27] that sucks [01:34] yeah, it sucks [01:35] I cant get normal internet access either, I have 6MB wimax (tower based not cellular) that i do good to get 2.0MB out of [02:02] For some reason, even though I repartitioned half of my hard disk space to set aside 100GB for Xubuntu using Windows management tool, the only option I have when I install Xubuntu is to wipe entire disk [02:02] and dev/sda doesn't show my windows partition [02:02] What gives? [02:06] GOt me on that one [02:07] unless the partition was formatted as ntfs [02:08] it;s unallocated actually [02:08] just empty space [02:30] so anyone seeing problems with 13.04? [02:38] I've just installed awesome wm on 13.04 but I can't see it in lightdm [02:44] turns out a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/awesome/+bug/1094811 [02:44] Launchpad bug 1094811 in awesome (Ubuntu) "awesome install does not create desktop listing in GDM/LightDM" [Undecided,Confirmed] [03:18] hmm [03:40] WalterN: Yes? [03:41] derp [03:41] (nothing) [03:41] just trying to decide if I want to install Xubuntu 13.04 or not [03:41] And? [03:42] since it was just released [03:44] Riht... [03:44] *Right... [03:45] how can I set the trackpad to disable when usb mouse is plugged in? [03:46] Settings Manager > Mouse...? [03:46] nope [03:46] I mean automatically sorry [03:47] There should be an option... [03:47] I wish [03:47] one thing that I think is missing [03:47] personally I disabled the trackpad, and just use the nub when I have to [03:47] I might check, I have 12.04 LTS [03:47] there was another WM that did have it cant remember possibly gnome2 or gnome3 [03:47] (was a while ago) [03:48] i guess one can write a udev rule but id getting old [03:48] They both have that capability. [03:49] Hmmm... seems to be found wanting. [03:53] well like I said, it's a minor irritation [03:53] for me anyway [03:53] I almost always have a mouse of some sort [03:53] Get out the poison. :) [03:54] there are 1,440 updates available [03:55] that's a disturbingly round number [03:55] It's a multiple of 45 [04:06] Ah, hello akis. [04:07] hi. although i installed on my xubuntu 12.04 ubuntu's sounds today i realised that i lost the incoming email sound of ubuntu and the system returned to xubuntu's default. any idea or advise to fix it? [04:08] Are there sound preferences in your email program? [04:09] SonikkuAmerica: hi again. [04:10] yes i suppose they are enabled because i can hear the drums if i am trying to send an email with no subject [04:12] Well, I wouldn't know where to start, but hunt down your sound prefs and link it to the Ubuntu sound. [04:14] it looks like thunderbird use python-notify to notify incoming emails [04:15] Currently, I'm running 12.04 installed on 2 x SSDs in RAID 0 configuration. Would Xubuntu 13.04 desktop recognize my RAID? [04:15] carrera: you can always try it live and see what happens [04:15] holstein, thanks! [04:16] hrzhu: i am running thunderbird on 3 pc's. the 2 of them have the "paf" sound for income messages (ubuntu's default). the 3rd although it had it too, now it lost it, but still the ubuntu's drums work ok. [04:18] akis: just look for the system sound settings.. for the 'alert" or something similar.. you'll just have to play with what is what [04:18] The BIOS on my Qosmio x500 laptop doesn't have USB in the boot menu but it has eSATA and the actual connection is eSATA/USB. Can I boot from a USB drive? [04:19] holstein: i fixed it when i installed them the first time, but i cannot remember where to search. in setting editor maybe? [04:19] carrera: i would just try it... i also have a few plop iso's laying around to help make USB boot after booting a CD [04:20] akis: i would look in the system settings for sounds preferences.. thats where i usually look to turn *all* sounds off [04:20] holstein, problem is that I left all my flash sticks behind! :( [04:21] and I don't wanna buy another flash only to find out I couldn't boot from it [04:21] holstein, plop iso's? [04:22] carrera: http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager/index.html wont help you... allows booting USB on hardware that doesnt boot USB, but boots CD/floppy/etc [04:24] holstein, thanks [04:24] can I just boot off of my SSD? [04:25] carrera: that is really going to depend on your machine.. nothing about xubuntu/ubuntu will prevent anything from booting anything [04:26] I mean somehow starting the install process from ubuntu 12.04 [04:27] carrera: nothing about 12.04 is preventing you from installing ubuntu to or from whatever you want [04:27] holstein: although in setting editor/xsettings/NEt/Soundthemename is: ubuntu, i have the xubuntu default incoming email message sound [04:28] akis: you might have to dig deeper.. [04:28] holstein: what to you mean by that? [04:30] holstein, Great! Can I just execute the iso file? [04:30] akis: i mean, if when you say "although in setting editor/xsettings/NEt/Soundthemename is: ubuntu, i have the xubuntu default incoming email message sound [04:30] that you want another sound for something that is *not* being affected there.. you might have to dig deeper and set something manually [04:31] akis: when you choose "whatever" theme, it may or may not effect the setting for the thing you are trying to set.. you might need to dig down to it manually... [04:31] akis: have you checked the `play a sound' when new message arrives in preferences -> general in thunderbird [04:31] holstein: yes, ok i understand. but it worked perfect all the sheme. the other sounds are ubuntu's sounds. only the incoming message has been changed [04:31] ^^ that too.. just set it in the client [04:32] and there is also a `show a alert` option [04:32] akis: and, you set it in the settings in the client? [04:32] hrzhu: sure, i have sound but the xubuntu's default not the ubuntu's sheme. [04:33] wait a minute! [04:37] i solved it! it was so simple! for an uknown reason in general preferences in thunderbird was ticked the incoming sound "receive" which is the xubuntu's default (as far i can remember) and not the "default system sound for new mail" which is the ubuntu's one. now it works perfect. everything is ok. thank you guys. kind regards [05:47] xubuntu wont down load [06:45] hi. where can i find the xfce4-terminal config file? I'd like to copy my colorscheme to another box and cannot find it. [06:50] pimperle: tried looking in ~/.config/xfce4/ [06:50] ? [06:51] yes, i grepped for one of my current colors there, but without success [06:54] pimperle: depends, either ~/.config/Terminal or ~/.config/xfce4/terminal [06:55] koegs: thanks, i have a look [07:55] morning folks [07:56] kai, greetings ... actually it's 4 PM here in China [07:57] cfhowlett: I'm operating on IGT, international greeting time. It's always mornings when you join an IRC channel ;) [07:57] anyhow, I'm having some "fun" with the xubuntu installer and setting up an encrypted LVM that only spans part of my disk [08:01] Once I select "use partition for encrypted filesystem", the installer automatically creates the volume group and a logical volume to span the whole drive [08:01] er, sorry, the whole encrypted partition [08:02] but I'd like to do my own setup [08:04] alternatively, when I then go and set up the lvm stuff manually in the crypted partition, the installer doesn't set up the boot loader correctly and then during boot the system won't ask for my password to decrypt the drive. [08:18] kai, such talk is completely over my pay grade. probably get an answer in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server [08:19] cfhowlett: yeah, no worries, I'll try #ubuntu [08:19] kai, depends which partitions you use as encrypted. I use luks to encrypt my lv_data and ecryptfs for my /home [08:19] or are you looking into encrypting / as well? [08:19] ncdmr: I basically want everything encrypted, except from /data [08:20] wouldn't it make more sense the othe way round? :D [08:20] there's secret keys in /etc/ that I wouldn't want to have compromised [08:20] and /data is where I'd put stuff where I don't want to pay the speed penalty of encrypting stuff [08:21] true, makes sense I guess. Because of that I prefer to rely on harddisk password as first line of defense [08:23] anyway, how the heck do I do the LVM setup in the installer? [08:23] :) [08:24] that's really annoying [08:24] especially as you can't go "back" without confusing it about the crypted partition, so every time it screws up you need to reboot [08:43] I usually do my lvm config outside of the installer (vgscan, vgchange, lvscan and such) [08:48] when will be the update available via update-manager? [08:52] idodeisuke: yes, if you got 12.10 [08:52] idodeisuke: try running update-manager -d [08:54] idodeisuke: you can also run "sudo do-release-upgrade" in terminal to upgrade as well [08:59] baizon, I tried, it ain't showin [08:59] ;( [09:01] idodeisuke: have you really tried "update-manager -d" [09:02] baizon, yes >:( But the command line option works [09:04] now the update via the commandline is on the way :) [09:04] ou well :) [09:08] ncdmr: I've done that, but the kernel wouldn't ask for my LUKS password on load and the boot just failed. [09:11] I just hope it'll be over before 8:13 PM CET... [09:21] hm [09:21] ok, so I've successfully installed my basic system using the server install. can I now use the xubuntu install disk to grab the desktop packages? [09:28] kai: or the internet [09:33] baizon: well, if I could figure out how to connect to the 802.1x wireless setup from the command line, I'd be happy to [09:33] I didn't have any luck googling it, either [09:33] kai: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WiFiHowTo [09:35] baizon: I fail to find any info on non PSK WPA setups [09:36] pre-shared key is easy, but I need a password and certificate based setup [09:37] hmm [10:12] ok, so booting the xubuntu cd, using network manager to set up the network and then using chroot might work :) [10:32] does sudo apt-get autoremove remove all unneeded packages ? [10:32] yes [10:32] are these not not needed by the all the apps ? [10:32] ionstalled on the system ? [10:32] (except those that are marked manually installed) [10:33] yes, they aren't needed by anything on your system [10:33] you can also do "sudo apt-get --purge autoremove" to remove all their configuration as well [10:33] so even if I compile from source there should be a problem [10:33] so me apps [10:33] *shouldn't be a problem [10:34] e.g. I compiled kvirc from a source tar and isntalled it on the system wit h checkinstall [10:34] *installed [10:34] nothing will happen to its dependencies [10:34] i imagine in that case the dependencies would be set to manually installed [10:35] ok [10:35] thanks [10:35] you can always install again (apt will show you a list of packages to be removed) [10:35] * aiena nods [10:36] thats good for system cleanup then. [10:36] to remove garbage [10:36] definitely [10:36] that's why apt-get suggests that if you have autoremovable packages [10:36] yes I see it when I normally install new things [10:37] thanks [10:37] np [10:38] knome is there a way to dump all terminal output into a text file ? [10:38] for future reference [10:38] your command >textfile [10:38] i mean terminal input and output [10:38] i don't think that catches input [10:38] but any output, yes [10:38] ok thanks [10:39] for the tip [10:39] again np :) [10:39] do i need to create the txt file first ? [10:39] i mean the textfile first with leafpad [10:39] nope [10:39] as long as the running user has permissions to create that file, you are fine [10:40] ok and if i use the same text file for another command does ir append to or overwrite the same file ? [10:40] overwrites [10:49] Hi, I needed to say this somewhere: I love xubuntu! It's just magically working on my Asus 1225C, better than the ubuntu that was included! It's just great! Everything works as expected (suspend, video, ..) ! Hoooray for xubuntu! [10:51] buenol, glad it's working out for you. [10:52] buenol, thanks, have fun [10:54] thanks ^^ [10:55] one would wonder what went wrong with the 'real' ubuntu at this point to get them fix their bugs but that's surely optional [10:55] I think they have a button to report the "I have laptop X, things Y and Z misbehave in the so-and-so way" thing somewhere but I'm not entirely sure where that'd be located [11:11] i am sorry, what? [11:12] !bugs | gry [11:12] gry: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs. [11:14] that's to the other folk here who actually sees the bugs I presume :) === kblin_ is now known as kblin [11:44] well even normal folk can see them eventually !! [11:44] gry [11:53] egat is the shortcut for the taskmanager in xubuntu ? [11:54] there is no default keyboard shortcut [11:59] ok can it be configured ? [11:59] yes [11:59] where ? [12:00] Settings -> Keyboard [12:00] just point a key combo towards "xfce4-taskmanager" [12:01] hey guys, anyone else experiencing distorted graphics during boot [12:02] nope [12:02] shit, must not have wiped the old one properly [12:03] xubuntu336: thats because of your graphics driver [12:03] forgot to format /boot? [12:03] is it installed [12:03] you see a small greenish line distortion on your screen during boot before it becomes black again [12:03] right ? [12:03] I once had this on a test machine where I was booting xubuntu with the new bootsplash from SuSE 12.3 [12:03] Yes I have a driver [12:04] then you can format again from a live distro [12:04] with gparted [12:04] The top half of the screen becomes very messed up right before log-in [12:04] ok the the distortin I am talking about is different [12:04] that is early boot yours is later boot [12:05] i mean later in the boot process [12:05] it's technically after boot right when the os is loading [12:05] ok mine is at that time too [12:05] its not hardware my other distros are fine [12:05] ok [12:05] then dunno [12:06] I have only xubuntu on this machine no other distros [12:07] I used the upgarde tool in 12.10 to go to 13.04, and then this started happening, because xlock and xscreensaver was running [12:07] or so I assume [12:07] So I made a LiveCD and made it from that, but the problem still happens [12:08] I assume its because the cd didnt wipe the old version properly [12:17] could be the case [12:17] you can try formatting this partition from another distro [12:17] format it to fat 32 and then back to ext [12:17] that should ensure a clean wipe I guess [12:18] or it could be an issue with 13.04 too [12:19] hi! The new version is UEFI-ready, isn't it? [12:19] Well if it wasnt I wouldnt be here right? [12:19] Id really prefer not to reformat again [12:21] hmm 13.04 could still run [12:21] but it may be some other trivial bug too [12:21] couldnt it ? [12:21] lots of software runs well with bugs too [12:21] the kernel is working [12:22] but it could be something else too [12:22] im thinking its xfce related [12:23] xscreensaver works fine [12:24] could be which version is it in 13.04 ? [12:24] 4.10 or later [12:26] yeah 4.10 [12:26] I am not experiencing any issues with it on 12.04 [12:26] LTS [12:26] I used a ppa [12:26] so it might not be xfce at all [12:26] i would be very surprised if it was a xfce-related issues [12:26] -s [12:27] hmm i have an idea [12:28] changed the splash [12:28] Im gonna reboot [12:32] Haha fixed it [12:32] Corrupted bootsplash i guess, anyone else experience this? [12:37] Yay :) [14:21] hellow [14:22] anyone tried xubuntu 13.04? is it good? [14:22] yes [14:22] :) [14:23] mogmog_: yes its very good [14:23] a very stable release [14:24] i'm waiting for review before upgrading just in case it's no good :p 12.10 seems good enuf for me [14:25] mogmog_: try it live.. "good" is a matter of opinion. why would you want to upgrade from 12.10 to 13.04? software version changes, or support. other than that, its up to you and free to try [14:25] P: mogmog_ consider 13.04 an improvement over 12.10, there is just bug fixed and more streamlined settings, nothing newer that could break a thing [14:26] mogmog_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-khddoDGX1g [14:29] okay thanks. torrenting now :) [14:43] I don't get the versioning of fglrx(-updates), where can I see what driver version is actually in those packages? [14:52] anyone know how "safe" it is to dist-upgrade from 12.04? It looks like the xubuntu maintainers nailed it with 13.04 (stability/bug fixes, updates, and no new directional changes), so i'd like to upgrade rather than waiting for 14.04. Or, would you recommend a reinstall from ISO? [14:53] ruien: you have to upgrade to 12.10 first, then 13.04 [14:53] i would rather do an re-install or just stick with 12.04 :) [14:53] hm, is that so. In that case, yes ok. [14:53] thanks [15:05] Hi there! When I startup session with my user on Xfce 4.10 somehow my home folder and image viewer automatically start up too. I don't know how to unset this. Already try logging with other user and everything's normal, so it's some setting related to my user. Thanks! [15:06] Hi! You are suggesting to use Universal USB Installer to put xubuntu on a usb pendrive, but it does not create a UEFI bootable drive, it just creates a regular non-UEFI one, so those who are having UEFI they could have problems with it. [15:07] Sent to the staff of course. [15:07] arturuntu: at shutdown, there should be a 'save session" checkbox.. or logout.. try that first [15:09] !uefi | zierka_ [15:09] zierka_: UEFI is a specification that defines a software interface between an operating system and platform firmware, it is meant as a replacement for the BIOS. For information on how to set up and install Ubuntu and its derivatives on UEFI machines please read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI [15:09] zierka_: afaik, those with uefi are exepected to do what is needed for the hardware they have [15:10] ok holstein, thanks. I try it now [15:10] arturuntu: also, look at the session you are booting from the login window [15:16] thanks holstein, it's fixed not. I close evething, check the box and log out. Then log in and out back again and uncheck it. Thanks again! [15:17] arturuntu: cheers [15:18] I was able to install xubuntu easily, the setup part went without problems, i just want to say that the Universal USB Installer was not good for me, who has UEFI. I used win32diskimager, that is ok, it created a UEFI bootable drive. [15:19] zierka_: sure.. but if folks *dont* have uefi, they wouldnt need that.. i think the idea is, folks who have uefi will need to take the necessary steps... also, if its a wiki page you are referencing, they should be editable [15:51] stupid question, when creating past (say) 10 terminals inside the xfce terminal, little scroll arrows appear up at the tabs section (one left, one right), how do I get the arrows to disappear without closing the 11th terminal tab ? [15:59] make the terminal wider so that they fit? [16:00] well.. it never used to do this pre terminal 0.6.1 [16:10] Xubuntu power! :-D === benmoose is now known as SonikkuAmerica [16:59] hello, is anyone german here [17:00] Lanaii_GER: yes [17:01] or can anyone help me, to solve my problem. I installed xubuntu 13.04 and want to have my system in German, i've installed the language-pack logout and restart but nothing changed [17:01] mein system ist in englisch obwohl nur mehr deutsch installiert ist [17:01] Lanaii_GER: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Spracheinstellungen [17:02] hab ich doch schon alles gemacht [17:06] Lanaii_GER: ehh [17:08] how do I get the terminal window to remember its position? [17:08] it always opens mid screen [17:09] kRush: "The Xfce Window Manager has a feature called smart placement which can be adjusted based on the window size. Basically it will automatically center windows that are below a certain size and once they get bigger than that, new windows will try to be arranged automatically in the best place to have coverage. You can adjust the minimum size setting under Settings → Window Manager Tweaks → Placement. " [17:13] kRush: if you want apps to always open in the same place/screen/workspace - I've been using devilspie for years to do that [17:14] and gdevilspie makes it a lot easier to set it up :) [17:15] the smart placement seems to do the trick for now. the slider is just so arbitrary [17:17] but thanks for the suggestion, I will keep it in mind [17:21] cool - I'm a bit specific about where I want things - firefox on one screen's workspace, xchat on another etc ... [17:25] back again, wondering if it's just me who's getting hard lockups? 3 this week so far!! [17:26] I've had one or two with the -19 kernel [17:27] i'm on 3.2.0-40-generic #64 [17:29] might be time for a clean up of my OS [17:34] recon_lap, any reason for staying with an 'old' kernel ? [17:35] old? I'm just go with the flow on lts releases [17:35] is it old? [17:35] aaahh.. you are on 12.04 lts [17:35] well.. yeah.. mainstream kernels are now upto 3.8.something or other ;) [17:35] recon_lap, you can always go back to a previous kernel if you are on lts .. they should still be in your grub menu [17:37] might do that, might just wait a while and go to 13.04 [17:37] sounds like a plan.. or jst bump upto 12.10 and then bump upto 13.04 after a while [17:38] zodiak: you can probably tell I like to not spend time messing with upgrades and stuff :) [17:39] had to upgrade mysql 5.5 to 5.6 yesterday due to a bug [17:39] meh.. most of the past xubuntu/ubuntu upgrades have been ~relatively~ smooth [17:39] oh mercy.. mysql.. nuff said :P [17:39] *cough*postgres*cough* ;) [17:40] true, next db I make will not be in mysql :) [17:41] yeah.. I moved to pg back in 6.5 days.. never been happier. sqlite for when I need a small, light db :) [17:41] looked at porting to postgres but felt the effort was to much. [17:42] aaahh.. yeah. totally depends on your app and program of course but.. usually I find it worth the pain upfront, rather than paying for the pain in the longer term [17:42] swings, roundabouts [17:42] tried to install MariaDB , did not go well [17:43] oh ? you mean from the repos or jst with your app ? [17:43] from the repos, seems it's bugged [17:43] hhrmm.. hopefully you flung a ticket into launchpad ;) [17:43] cause I was going to play around with maria next week :D [17:44] MariaDB is not in ubuntu repos as far as i saw. [17:45] admittedly i did not look very hard at it [17:46] alrighty.. guess I am my own guinea pig then [17:49] zodiak: If i was really trying it would have turned into a manual compile/install === azeam is now known as azeam_afk [20:34] hello guys [20:34] i need some help seriously...i am new to Linux! i have a laptop with two partitions! [20:35] on one partition is windows Xp home and on the other partition i want to install xbuntu [20:35] but now that i putted the cd for the install [20:35] doesnt show me any partition [20:35] just a huge allocated space [20:37] allocated or unallocated? [20:38] I was thinking that too [20:39] allocated sorry [20:39] but it doesnt make any sense :( [20:39] are you sure you partitioned it right? [20:39] if you created two partitions, all space should be allocated [20:40] i had from the start windows xp...C and D two partitions eatch one 40 gb...now i have xbuntu live cd on...and i have one allocated space about 80 gb size and a 450gb of my external usb drive that is unplugged!omg [20:40] well MrHotsauce i am so newbie seems :( [20:40] allocated means that there is a partition in the partition table that fills that space, regardless if it's used by anything or not [20:40] still i cant understand [20:40] :( [20:41] it was my laptop out of the box...with presinstall windows xp and the two partitions (ntfs both) [20:41] nick___, bit of advice, in XP make one partition again and let Xubuntu then make it so there are two. [20:41] for linux, you don't want to use ntfs [20:41] oh thanks but i was hoping for something more fast cause i will have to back up [20:42]