[00:01] <shauno> time to turn myself off and back on again.  gui is outta scope for me anyhow.  goodnight
[00:02] <ali1234> ubuntu-geoip-provider just crashed while i was searching for unity-tweak-tool in the dash
[00:02] <ali1234> but i turned off online searching
[00:06] <ali1234> hmm
[00:06] <ali1234> unity-tweak-tool is missing quite a lot of things
[00:09] <diddledan_> my mac's jittery screen - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSP2EIAkkJg
[00:11] <diddledan_> weirdness ensues when I place my finger between the screen and f2/3 - I'm assuming the ambient light sensor is there - it completely stops jittering while my finger is there, and resumes when I take my finger away again
[00:13] <diddledan_> it's also intermittent, and either coincident with network activity or ssd activity or both (I've not determined which yet)
[00:13] <diddledan_> or maybe neither
[00:14] <diddledan_> it's definitely not doing it now, and I believe it's accessing both the network and ssd for ubuntuone to sync
[00:19] <ali1234> definitely bug report that. bugs.freedesktop.org
[00:24] <ali1234> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GovxiqYdMz4
[00:28] <ball> Is Raring Ringtail a new thing?
[00:29] <AlanBell> ball: it is fresh and juicy
[00:29] <AlanBell> but not saucy, because that is the next new thing
[00:31] <ali1234> hmm no more workspaces
[00:31] <ali1234> that's kind of bad
[00:31] <ali1234> ah, you can turn it back on
[00:31] <ball> My daughter's PC just offered to upgrade itself.
[00:31] <ali1234> don't do it
[00:31] <ali1234> bugs... everywhere
[00:32] <ball> Ah, ok
[00:32] <ball> This one's getting wiped anyway, but I was interested.
[00:32] <ali1234> i wiped and reinstalled
[00:32] <ali1234> still getting kernel bugs
[00:33] <ali1234> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5606677/ line 853
[00:33] <ali1234> when i tried to reboot after installing nvidia driver it suspended instead of restarting
[00:33] <ali1234> then intel_hda crashed on unsuspend
[00:33] <ali1234> i had to force reboot it
[00:33] <ali1234> now i'm getting these weird disk errors
[00:34] <ball> Can you roll back to whatever came before (12.11 ?)
[00:35] <ali1234> probably
[00:35] <ali1234> i mean it's not supported at all
[00:35] <ali1234> i can just wipe and reinstall though
[00:35]  * ball nods
[00:35] <ali1234> i always do that because upgrading is usually even worse
[00:35] <ball> That's what I had in mind.
[00:37] <ball> I'm about to pull the drive from this PC to put in my own.  I'll probably blow the cobwebs out and try installing Xubuntu on a PATA drive.
[00:37] <ball> ...or something.
[00:38] <ball> ...then on my own PC I'll try OpenIndiana
[00:39] <ball> My daughter's PC seems to have done quite well with Xubuntu.
[00:40] <diddledan_> I'm running 13.04 raring ringworm on three systems now. Apart from occasional prompts to report bugs for software I didn't even know was running, let alone had crashed, only one system is a problem.
[00:41] <diddledan_> so you've got a 33% chance of failure based on my stats
[00:41] <diddledan_> or if you subscribe to ali1234 a 110% chance
[00:41] <diddledan_> :-p
[00:42] <diddledan_> I need to sleep at some point tonight
[00:42] <ali1234> everyone should subscribe to me on twitter, facebook, youtube, and google+
[00:42] <diddledan_> anywho, my bug is reported: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63981
[00:43] <ali1234> u1 now has a cloud icon
[00:43] <ali1234> which made me think for a second indicator-weather was now a default
[00:43] <diddledan_> how imaginative
[00:44] <ali1234> i think it is a cloud. it looks like a cloud. i'm gonna say it's a cloud
[00:45] <diddledan_> oh that might be classed as a bug I guess. my ati gfx card is displaying an amd overlay in the bottom right corner that says "amd unsupported hardware"
[00:45] <diddledan_> it never used to do that
[00:45] <ali1234> :<
[06:49] <NeolNeol> hi
[06:49] <NeolNeol> anyone can help?
[06:49] <NeolNeol> how to play .trp files?
[06:59] <NeolNeol> anyone can help?
[08:10] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:10] <popey> yo
[08:10] <bigcalm> Goodness, what brings you online?
[08:11] <bigcalm> I thought you'd be hiding from the world for a few more hours :P
[08:12] <popey> well I have a flight in a few hours
[08:12] <bigcalm> I'm meant to be working. So, of course, I am procrastinating
[08:12] <bigcalm> Aha
[08:13] <popey> so i should probably back
[08:13] <popey> ttfn
[08:13] <bigcalm> And pack
[08:13] <bigcalm> Enjoy
[08:19] <Myrtti> I'm waiting for the chauffeur to wake up so I can go to Tesco to look some eyeglass frames
[08:20] <dwatkins> I find applying coffee often helps with that, Myrtti ;)
[08:21] <Myrtti> dwatkins: mine doesn't drink coffee
[08:21] <Myrtti> but talking of coffee, I want some now
[08:21] <Myrtti> *squint*
[08:22] <bigcalm> Myrtti: have you considered a company such as http://www.spex4less.com/ ?
[08:23] <bigcalm> It's where I got my last pair from and probably future pairs as well
[08:23] <Myrtti> I have, but I still need new frames for the lenses I already have
[08:23] <bigcalm> Ah
[08:24] <bigcalm> Is /etc/rc.local run before or after networking?
[08:27] <bigcalm> Is there a way to run a file as root when a user logs into the desktop?
[08:27] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: it says at the top "at the end of each multiuser runlevel"
[08:27] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: so networking would be up at that time, I guess
[08:28] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: check if consolekit has a hook.. I think it might
[08:28] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: oh, at the end of 'each'?
[08:28] <bigcalm> Humm
[08:28] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: or PAM
[08:28] <bigcalm> I'm trying to get my cifs shares to connect after networking is finished. Having the entries auto connect in fstab is causing errors
[08:30] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: it works though
[08:30] <MartijnVdS> for me
[08:30] <MartijnVdS> it errors once, then when I log in, the cifs mounts _are_ there
[08:30] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: yes, it works for me as well. I'm trying to remove the cifs errors that are visible when I shutdown
[08:40] <mungbean> bigcalm, why not autofs?
[08:40] <bigcalm> mungbean: why not Zoidberg? </woop-woop-woop-woop>
[08:40] <bigcalm> Sorry :)
[08:41] <bigcalm> Isn't autofs just for choosing the correct fs type?
[08:41] <mungbean> automount
[08:42] <mungbean> it's more on-=demand
[08:42] <mungbean> and you don't statically mount at boot
[08:42] <mungbean> it gets mounted by the autofs daemon when you request it
[08:49] <bigcalm> Oh, ok
[08:50] <bigcalm> I will try that upon my return from being a taxi to my gf
[08:50] <Myrtti> oh you're on taxi duty too
[09:33] <Myrtti> myh, suddenly craving a pizza with blue cheese
[09:33] <Myrtti> silly UK pizza places not to have blue cheese as one of the toppings
[09:33] <mungbean> eww
[09:33] <mungbean> wouldnt be a big seller
[09:33] <mgdm> I've had blue cheese on pizza before
[09:33] <mgdm> it was great
[09:34] <Myrtti> there's only one Finnish blue cheese and every kebab and pizza place has blue cheese on their menus
[09:34] <Myrtti> how come the land of Stilton doesnät
[09:34] <Myrtti> doesn't, even
[09:34] <Myrtti> mind you, creamier blues work better than stilton
[09:39]  * dwatkins learned recently that there are blue chips / crisps.
[09:50]  * bigcalm returns
[10:10] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: physically blue, or just in a blue bag?
[10:11] <dwatkins> mait appears they are actually blue: http://www.vitacost.com/garden-of-eatin-tortilla-chips-blue-chips-no-salt-added
[10:11] <MartijnVdS> eww :)
[10:11] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: we get these: http://www.atotzmarkt.nl/bestel/image/cache/ohd/bestel/image/ohd/881891-500x500.jpg
[10:11] <MartijnVdS> they're just in a blue bag
[10:12] <dwatkins> ah yes, I remember similar ones here
[10:58] <kvarley> Ubuntu 13.04 "mount: unknown filesystem type 'exfat'"
[10:58] <kvarley> Any ideas?
[11:20] <alexcockell> HI all...
[11:22] <alexcockell> Bit the bullet and accepted the update to Precise on my Ideapad S12... and am very impressed..
[11:36] <dwatkins> kvarley: if you 'cat /proc/filesystems/' is it listed?
[11:36] <dwatkins> not sure there's a slash on the end of that, actually
[11:36] <kvarley> dwatkins: I had to install exfat-utils :)
[11:37] <kvarley> Thanks tho dwatkins :)
[11:37] <dwatkins> cool, good to know, thanks kvarley *installs it*
[11:37] <kvarley> This is all down to me now having a 64GB microsd :D
[11:38] <dwatkins> natty appears not to have that package, I guess it wasn't backported.
[11:38] <dwatkins> I have one of those, it can be tricky getting it formatted, yeah.
[11:38] <kvarley> I'm leaving it as exfat, gonna use it on my nexus 10
[16:39] <redtape> shauno: I'm dreading going over to galway this Summer ..
[16:41] <redtape> I just know I'll end up in some crappy traditional irish cafe at 8:30am on my way to Dublin to get the plane back with a hang-over.
[16:58] <dwatkins> redtape: just be careful if you walk into a bar carrying a guitar - I had to play House of the Rising Sun all the way through, twice.
[17:07] <redtape> play the guitar .. yeah :  'need a round tuit for that.
[18:49] <penguin42> anyone with an Intel 86x series graphics running Raring who can pastebin there Xorg.0.log - I'm just looking at someones bug where it's running in 15bpp rather than 24 and wondered if anyone else hit it
[19:08] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: mine's at 24bpp
[19:08] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: 15bpp could be because of an LCD that reports it can't do more
[19:09] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: His logs are showing it as the default prior to it doing display selection
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: no xorg.conf?
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> [    88.199] (==) intel(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> is the second line with "bpp" in my log
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> first one is
[19:09] <MartijnVdS>         "Default Screen Section" for depth/fbbpp 24/32
[19:09] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Yeh so there's is [    40.999] (==) intel(0): Depth 15, (--) framebuffer bpp 16
[19:10] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: and the == according to the notes says that's the default not from command line or config file
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: which chip is it?
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> Mine's a pre-Sandy Bridge i3
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> (Clarkdale?)
[19:11] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: I think there's is older -  bug  1173649
[19:11] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: But even so I'm fairly sure my ancient one does 24
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> dmi.bios.date: 11/08/2004
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> I'd call that ancient ;0
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> :)
[19:12] <penguin42> nah!
[19:12] <MartijnVdS> I'm waiting for haswell to upgrade my desktop
[19:17] <jacobw> Hmm, I've been using Linux for almost 8 years now.
[19:17] <jacobw> I just installed Raring today
[19:17] <jacobw> LibreOffice menu integration is still broken :|
[19:29] <ali1234> notify-osd is still broken, unity is still broken, alsa is more broken than it was before
[19:29] <ali1234> the kernel is now giving oops on every boot, suspend is broken
[19:30] <mungbean> i dont remember debian being like that ali1234
[19:30] <ali1234> compiz is as slow as ever, nouveau still doesn't work
[19:31] <ali1234> empathy still can't do irc
[19:32]  * mungbean wonders if ali1234 has got round to trying elementary yet
[19:32] <penguin42> ali1234: Oh empathy can do irc, it's more of a challenge to find how as far as I remember - I've done it in the past, I've always hated trying to get it to
[19:32] <ali1234> elementary has a dock so i will never use it
[19:33] <mungbean> try it anyway
[19:33] <mungbean> just to see whats nice about it
[19:34] <ali1234> oh look, opening a 10x10 glxgears still causes compiz to freeze for 3 seconds any time it tries to do an animation
[19:34] <mungbean> app launcher, sppeed etc
[19:34] <ali1234> elementary window manager is a fork of mutter so it is fast, because it is not compiz
[19:34] <mungbean> unity launcher takes 15 secs to open on my laptop
[19:34] <ali1234> you can get that speed on ubuntu by just not using compiz
[19:35] <mungbean> yes, well elemntary uses ubuntu core
[19:36] <mungbean> 12.04 tho
[19:38] <mungbean> dr who seems to be red dwarf tonight
[19:38] <jacobw> Files is the worst file manager I've ever used.
[19:38] <jacobw> While we're on the topic of things that suck in Ubuntu.
[19:40] <ali1234> you mean nautilus
[19:40] <ali1234> you can blame gnome for that one
[19:40] <jacobw> Konqueror and Dolphin are great, Nautilus was tolerable in GNOME 2, Nautilus in GNOME 3 has been a series of misguided attempts at cover flow in a file manager.
[19:41] <ali1234> dolphin is utter rubbish
[19:41] <jacobw> Why?
[19:41] <ali1234> it's exactly the same as nautilus except none of the text and icons line up properly
[19:41] <ali1234> and it has a massive panel at the bottom that you can't get rid of
[19:41] <ali1234> and another one at the side that you can get rid of temporarily but it always comes back
[19:42] <ali1234> oh and you can make it open on double click without making the entire of KDE behave the same way
[19:43] <ali1234> konqueror is even worse, having all these problems plus it cannot decide if it is a file manager or web browser or text editor or image viewer - it always wants to embed everything
[19:43] <ali1234> it's also very slow
[19:43] <jacobw> BUt you can split the view, use a terminal, search on criteria, use actions and select disjointed items graphically
[19:43] <ali1234> i have no idea what you are talking about
[19:44] <jacobw> All these things are flat out impossible in Nautilus
[19:44] <ali1234> nautilus isn't a terminal emulator
[19:44] <ali1234> if you want to views we have this thing called a window manager that lets you put two windows side by side. nautilus is also not a window manager
[19:45] <ali1234> if you want to select items graphically press the ctrl key, like in every file manager ever
[19:45] <ali1234> i'm not sure what you mean with the other, how else would you search other than on criteria?
[19:45] <jacobw> So applications shouldn't offer multiple views?
[19:45] <ali1234> and "use actions" does not even appear to mean anything at all
[19:45] <mungbean> does it do vertical tezt like amarok? eww
[19:46] <ali1234> everything in KDE does that
[19:46] <jacobw> In Files, I can search on file name or type, and on in my home directory or not in my home directory.
[19:47] <ali1234> yes, the search in nautilus is now a joke
[19:47] <ali1234> luckily i never used it anyway
[19:47] <jacobw> In Dolphin, I have many more criteria on which I can search
[19:47] <ali1234> i don't doubt it
[19:48] <ali1234> i expect there are so many options that they fill up 2/3 of the screen when you have the search tab open
[19:48] <ali1234> which is no better
[19:49] <jacobw> I prefer functionality to pointless aesthetics
[19:49] <jacobw> Files doesn't even offer any improvement on Nautilus
[19:50] <ali1234> then use the shell for everything
[19:50] <jacobw> I .. basically do.
[19:50] <jacobw> GUIs can provide more functionality than the shell
[19:50] <ali1234> files has a massively improved listview
[19:51] <mungbean> can i see?
[19:51] <ali1234> the crazy treeview that made no sense is gone
[19:51] <jacobw> The shell isn't the end of functionality
[19:51] <mungbean> the listview
[20:14] <mbs_> Quick question, in dconf 13.04 panel no longer exists for the unity entry, how do i allow Cryptkeeper applet like i did in 12.10?
[20:26] <Guest9559> hi i am using ubuntu 13.04 and has got epson stylus sx 100. was trying to clean the printer head and wanted a GUI for escputil. i remmebr having stylus tool box for earlier ubuntus. is it possible to install the same on ubuntu 13.04. thanks in advance
[20:26] <penguin42> Guest9559: Can mtink do it?
[20:27] <Guest9559> penguin42, i have installed mtlink and has tried that already
[20:27] <Guest9559> i am getting an error message
[20:28]  * penguin42 tries to guess the error message - or will you tell us?
[20:29]  * penguin42 hasn't tried it for a while since our Epson printer died
[20:30] <Guest9559> penguin42, problem with the printer communication, please check the printer for errors, "out of paper", "no ink", "or printer not powered". note that some printer block for few seconds after powering on
[20:31] <penguin42> Guest9559: Hmm, I've got vague memories of some permission problems but can't remember - as I say it was a year or two since our Epson died
[20:32] <Guest9559> penguin42, i had the permission problem which i sorted adding username onto the gropup. once it sorted now the error message comes as above
[20:34] <penguin42> hmm ok; then not got much ideas on that then - some of the printer settings guis had options for ink status
[20:34] <mungbean> another mediocre dr who
[20:35] <penguin42> ...not been any good ones since Tom Baker....
[20:36] <mungbean> are u my mummy was good until last 5 mins
[20:37] <penguin42> tbh I haven't watched many since Tom Baker
[20:51] <redtape> OT | The sad state of british gaming ... What have we become ? http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-bitjackers-randomly-generated-infinite-twin-stick-shooter-for-pc
[21:04] <ali1234> robotron?
[22:11] <redtape> ali1234: mmm maybe . but I just feel sorry for the kid .
[22:12] <ali1234> what kid?
[22:12] <redtape> that's just a generalisation.
[22:13] <ali1234> wat
[22:13] <redtape> i mean 'kid' as in programmer.
[22:13] <ali1234> why?
[22:13] <redtape> well if you watch the video.. it looks pretty sad.
[22:15] <ali1234> he's a game developer. what were you expecting?
[22:16] <redtape> something less pathetic and 'gimme'.
[22:16] <ali1234> he only wants 11 grand
[22:16] <ali1234> that's cheap
[22:17] <redtape> i am talking about his manner and demeanour ..
[22:18] <ali1234> and again, it;s a website where people ask for money...
[22:19] <redtape> yeah, but the guy ends up talking to himself ..
[22:22] <ali1234> it is what it is
[22:23] <ali1234> i've seen far worse campaigns where's it's just some piece of tat with a good marketing campaign
[22:23] <redtape> true.. I'm not saying this is the sadest .. I'm just saying it's sad ..
[22:25] <redtape> Anyway .. how's the btc's going ?
[22:25] <ali1234> good
[22:25] <ali1234> i spent some when it was at $200
[22:26] <ali1234> i got reddit gold for a year
[22:26] <redtape> sounds good .. how much was that ?
[22:26] <ali1234> it was about 0.2 btc i think
[22:26] <redtape> you mentioned a mega-coin .. what is that in btcoins exactly ?
[22:27] <ali1234> no idea, never heard of it
[22:27] <redtape> oh .. ignore that, then.
[22:28] <redtape> so do you think it will top 300 dolars this year ?
[22:28] <ali1234> no idea
[22:29] <redtape> i thnk it will if another mtgox open up .. but that may be a while.
[22:29] <ali1234> wat
[22:29] <ali1234> there's about 10 exchanges
[22:30] <redtape> surely they are just shadows aren't they ?
[22:30] <ali1234> no
[22:30] <redtape> according to the bitcoin channel on youtube they are (??)
[22:32] <Guest63664> hi guys. I use ubuntu 13.04 with firefox (came with ubuntu default). for some reason firefox stops playing streming vedios exactly at 14s. its not there with youtube but only with certain sites. http://www.manoramanews.com/cgi-bin/MMOnline.dll/portal/ep/mmtvVideoGallery.do?tabId=14&BV_ID=@@@ is an example (after the add). can come one help.please.thanks in advance
[22:33] <redtape> oh boy .. I'll move aside while someone handles this ...
[22:34] <ali1234> same result here
[22:34] <Guest63664> popey, I use ubuntu 13.04 with firefox (came with ubuntu default). for some reason firefox stops playing streming vedios exactly at 14s. its not there with youtube but only with certain sites. http://www.manoramanews.com/cgi-bin/MMOnline.dll/portal/ep/mmtvVideoGallery.do?tabId=14&BV_ID=@@@ is an example (after the add). can come one help.please.thanks in advance
[23:09] <redtape> oh well 'nother Sunday ..