[04:01] <ruien> Hi. I installed UbuntuKylin for my wife. Now she is asking, "where is QQ?". What is the best package for QQ? Should I use WINE for this?
[04:03] <cfhowlett> ruien, qq has a linux client
[04:03] <cfhowlett> http://wiki.ubuntu.com.cn/QQ
[04:04] <ruien> Oh, how convenient! Thanks.
[04:04] <cfhowlett> http://im.qq.com/qq/linux/
[05:18] <ypwong> heard that QQ no longer works recently
[05:19] <cfhowlett> ypwong, I can't even download the deb from tencent
[05:19] <cfhowlett> ypwong, and it's dated 2009, so ...
[05:19] <ypwong> cfhowlett, oh, too bad, the tar.gz one can still be
[05:19] <ypwong> yeah
[05:19] <ypwong> old
[05:19] <ypwong> the best things right now is webqq, that most people use
[05:20] <ypwong> on  linux
[05:20] <cfhowlett> ypwong, in english (hopefully he says ...)?
[05:20] <ypwong> seems not
[05:21] <ypwong> only available in chinese
[05:21] <cfhowlett> ypwong, disappointing
[05:23] <ypwong> it could be a fun project to develop a qq client, needs hard work to reverse engineer their protocol
[05:27] <ruien> yes, i haven't been successful in making QQ work. Unfortunately, no one will really accept UbuntuKylin without QQ
[05:28] <ruien> and WebQQ is okay, but it has some limitations, such as you cannot transfer files I think
[05:28] <cfhowlett> ruien, exactly.  I'm a laowai and even I know that!
[05:28] <ruien> yeah, me too
[05:28] <ruien> but my wife is Chinese and I want her to switch from windows to ubuntu kylin
[05:29] <ruien> this distribution has a lot of potential, the chinese market needs a better alternative
[05:29] <cfhowlett> I am SO sick of seeing all these pc/laptops in Beijing running XP!
[05:29] <ypwong> ruien, the wine solution gives the closet user experience as on Windows
[05:30] <ypwong> web.qq.com is easiest to set up
[05:30] <ypwong> (nothing to set up actually)
[05:31] <ruien> yes, I think i'll try wine for her next. But the new chinese Ubuntu user won't be able to run wine without some help. And web.qq.com, again, cannot transfer files. Since people need to use it for Taobao, and often need to transfer pictures and files, it's a problem.
[05:31] <ruien> so, i'll set it up for her with wine, i just worry it's a problem for the adoption of the distribution to new users without someone to help them.
[05:32] <cfhowlett> except for weixin/wechat, seems like none of the social networking tools have english portals/transation built in.  makes it pretty inaccessible
[05:33] <ruien> cfhowlett: well, what is english needed for?
[05:34] <cfhowlett> ruien, um, monolingual users like me?  No Mandarin skills ...
[05:35] <cfhowlett> just downloaded release 13.04 and will try virtualbox again.  for some reason, it runs WAY too slow to use, unlike my other VM's
[05:35] <ruien> cfhowlett: there's something about the way unity optimizations that they don't really work the same way in a virtualbox VM; i haven't figured out why, but if you run it natively it really is different
[05:36] <ruien> Also, i personally run Xubuntu in English, but i understand the need for UbuntuKylin. Already my wife thinks it's great, Youku "just works", it looks good, it has good chinese support. So far, the only big problem to new users is QQ
[05:36] <cfhowlett> ruien, guess I'll have to re-purpose my employer provided lenovo.
[05:37] <ruien> cfhowlett: well, for testing, just run it from a live USB instead of installing. That will give you native speed to compare with
[05:38] <ruien> really, there have been some *major* improvements in Unity's speed with 13.04. I think it's the best version of Unity so far, i would not use it before now.
[05:40]  * ypwong just wrote tencent an email about their non-functional QQ client
[05:42] <cfhowlett> I would have thought tencent/qq was partnering on kylin ...
[05:44] <ruien> cfhowlett: Yes, but i am not sure their motive so far (not enough user base for them to care about it). And if they provide the protocol spec, people implement non-official clients in order to bypass their ads, so as a company they can't do that I think.
[05:44] <ruien> catch-22 :(
[05:47] <cfhowlett> grrrr
[05:47] <shine_> small tiger
[06:42] <ruien> well, i installed wine-1.5.28 via PPA and then the "longene-wine-qq" .deb package, and QQ looks good so far.
[07:06] <ning> 这里能说中文哈
[07:06] <cfhowlett> !cn|ning,
[07:07] <cfhowlett> reminds me: the !cn factoid should direct to #kylin, should it not?  and vice versa?
[07:08] <smartboyhw> cfhowlett: No I think
[07:09] <smartboyhw> ning: 你好
[07:09] <ruien> people will come here because on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuKylin/1304-ReleaseNotes under "Support", the IRC channel is "#ubuntukylin-devel"
[07:10] <ning> 哇哦，一大陀英文，google翻译也拯救不了我啊
[07:11] <cfhowlett> ... wonder if maybe the two channels ought be consolidated for Chinese users ?
[07:12] <ruien> ning: 没事，有我们能帮你解决的问题么？
[07:12] <shine_> 哇  我终于在IRC上看懂人说话了= =
[07:12] <ruien> cfhowlett: there's no one in "#ubuntukylin" or "#kylin", as far as I know this is the only channel.
[07:13] <ning> 没事，我只是刚来到，看到ubuntukylin用户手册里有这个就过来看看
[07:14] <cfhowlett> ruien, no I mean the #ubuntu-cn channel and #ubuntukylin  ...
[07:14] <ruien> 恩，出现问题随便问一问 :) 欢迎
[07:15] <ruien> hrm, maybe? but xubuntu has its own channel, so i think this should be separate too. There are (and will be) differences between standard Ubuntu in Chinese mode and Kylin, the official chinese distro
[07:47] <ypwong> topic 改成中文了