[00:30] Can someone help me with Pure Data? Everytime I open a patch, I get logged out (to the login screen). I'm running 13.04, 32-bit. === Guest6760 is now known as retrobanana === whoo is now known as bim [03:22] Hi, will regular updates get me up to speed with 12.04.2 if my installation was 12.04 ? [03:24] bim, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade [03:53] cfhowlett: that will get me to 12.04.2 ? [03:55] I'm not very experienced, so I was also wondering would it be best to stick with the lts or upgrade to 13.04 ?...thanks [03:56] bim: automatically [03:56] bim: you will be upgraded automatically by those commands to the latest 12.04 [03:56] bim: "best" is a matter of opinion [03:56] ok..thanks [03:57] what about 13.04 , should I pass on it ? [03:57] bim, yes that would upgrade you to the latest 12.04 [03:57] bim, also, my recommendation is to go with LTS only unless you truly need the the latest/greatest/shiniest stuff. YMMV [03:57] my production rig is on 12.04, but more because i just dont want to mess with it [03:57] bim, 13.04 is not LTS and will be supported for only 9 months ... [03:57] bim: is 13.04 stable? sure.. do you want it? dont know [03:58] holstein, 100% agree [03:58] bim, do you want to make art or muck around with install/config every 9 months. Choose [03:58] I like the idea of lts ...and I am not a cutting edge kinda guy ... [03:58] i dont even upgrade my production machine that often [03:58] i need it to work... [03:58] bim: you can always load up ubuntustudio 13.04 live and see [04:00] I just wish I could get ubuntustudio to work on my not really that old laptop [04:00] bim, 12.04 then. [04:00] try it.. [04:00] bim: whats the issue? [04:00] I did....no luck...the new ubuntu desktop wont either [04:01] It wont boot up [04:01] bim: what luck? [04:01] bim: tell be *exactly* what is going on? [04:01] I installed wheezy netinstall and tango studio repos on my laptop....works fats [04:01] what fails? how? when? [04:02] bim: so, wheezy works? and tango? but not ubuntu? [04:02] yes [04:02] wheezy with mate even [04:02] bim: mate has *nothing* to do with it [04:02] bim: what do i think it is? kernel related.. [04:03] !nomodeset [04:03] A common kernel (boot)parameter is nomodeset, which is needed for some graphic cards that otherwise boot into a black screen or show corrupted splash screen. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132 on how to use this parameter [04:03] ^^ i bet you are getting that.. and could get arond it and install a graphics driver you need [04:03] intel gdm850 [04:03] would i ? not if tango is working... but you can pop a live CD in and do a nomodeset and see [04:04] Ok..I'll dwnload the new studio and try [04:05] how do yoy do a nomodeset..at waht point in the boot process ? [04:05] holstein ? [04:06] bim: i tap shift, after the bios.. then, from that screen, down at the bottom.. F6 [04:06] hmm sounds like it will be different on every brand of laptop...I have a dell inspiron 1150....9 years old [04:07] ? [04:07] *after* the bios [04:07] shift and F6 ok... [04:07] the screen you are looking for hides [04:07] shift makes it show [04:07] ahhh...the old hidden screen trick.... [04:08] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132 [04:08] you think it may work with the ubuntustudio 12.04 ? [04:09] bim: i would have to be in front of it, but yes [04:09] btw xubuntu 13.04 boots bout ubuntu 13.04 doesnt [04:10] so the kernels are different ? [04:10] bim: look and see, but yes [04:10] bim: xubuntu 13.04 has the same kernel as ubuntu 13.04 though [04:11] bim: the difference there? i think its 3d graphics related or a bad iso/disc/optical drive [04:11] ok......so why would the one boot and not the other ?....gnome 3 needs the 3d out of the box then ? [04:12] bim: ubuntu doesnt have gnome3 [04:12] there is a new one with gnome [04:12] bim: you said ubuntu doesnt work.. thats unity.. unity has either 3d or some newish pass through [04:12] bim: ubuntu nor xubuntu have gnome [04:12] bim: is it 3d? i dont know, but nomodeset is another test you can try [04:13] Thats great ...I'll try that [04:14] i'll tell you what its not.. its not "ubuntu wont work on my machine".. it'll just be a matter of sorting out what you need [04:15] you can always use a custom xorg.conf with a vesa driver or some other hacks [04:15] unity or gnome3 requiring 3d can be a deal-breaker though [04:16] I just recall fall back being the only option [04:17] on an earlier ubuntu, maybe 12 [04:17] there is no "fallback".. not for unity.. not anymore [04:17] no unity 2d [04:18] just the tricky passthrough thing that i dont quite understand, or care about using, since im not interested in unity or gnome3 [04:18] I just assumed that since studio was built on xfce that I would have no problem as all xfce distros boot on my laptop [04:19] all that I have tried.... [04:23] i have 12.10 installed...looks like I need to upgrade to 12.04 after all [04:24] i thought I had the .04... [04:43] Hey I've got a question, if anyone could answer [04:44] ask, and we'll see [04:45] I accidentally deleted the volume icon in the top toolbar. When I tried to add another, it doesn't function the same. The old volume icon would show me my volume and a shortcut to the default music player. Now when I click it, it displays the mixer. [04:46] Baker: you can always look in a new user account or in the live CD for what use to be there [04:46] I tried to do that with a guest account, to view the properties, but it wouldn't let me view the properties. [04:46] Baker: what would you like to do? [04:47] I'd like to restore the volume icon to its previous function [04:47] Of showing my volume and the widget for my music player. [04:49] Is anyone able to help me? [04:49] Baker: you can start removing things from your home... [04:49] Baker: yes.. i can [04:51] Baker: http://askubuntu.com/questions/224006/resetting-xfce-panels-to-default-settings [04:55] I'm currently trying this === Ken is now known as Guest47360 [04:56] Hi === Ken_ is now known as Guest64193 [04:56] holstein: That fixed it. You've been a great help. [04:56] Baker: cheers [04:56] Thank you very much [04:57] does anyone here use Ubuntu Studio to do simple multi-track recordings? [04:57] i have a couple of questions [04:58] I've started doing that [04:58] Very recently though. [04:58] It's ok....I have questions about setups [04:58] i do analog tracking.. usually no more than 8 at time [04:59] I've really only used Ardour and Audacity here. [04:59] for the audio interface....like a Tascam 144 or something.....they don't have Linux drivers....so would Ubuntu Studio recognize the USB interface? [04:59] i have a 144 [04:59] it was a pain to get it working... [05:00] needed a custom jackd line.. and so far, i havent had it working since 12.04 [05:00] but, its not worth the hassle really [05:00] i would just fire up an ubuntustudio live CD on whatever internal card you have and get used to using JACK [05:00] !proaudio [05:00] For information on professional audio tools in Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/ProAudioIntro [05:00] oh....so is there a list of compatible USB interfaces somewhere that tells me would work well with Linux? [05:00] then, you can decide what you want to buy [05:01] Guest64193: sure. the alsa matrix, but i personaly dont like USB hardware [05:01] and, i dont trust "lists".. i go get the thing, and plug it in and test it.. and save my reciepts [05:01] a kernel upgrade and literally make or break support [05:01] so how do you get the audio into the computer if you don't use an USB interface? [05:01] Guest64193: you can generate audio in the box to "test" and "learn" with [05:02] i use firewire.. but i have a few USB interfaces i use as well [05:02] a lexixon omega that is "plug and play" [05:03] so for now....it seems audio recording is still easier to setup on a Windows machine? (Don't flame me! :) ) [05:03] nah.. i dont care [05:03] use what you want [05:03] i was using cubase on XP for years.. and i switched to linux. it wasnt easy, but it was worth it for me [05:03] should you switch? i literally dont know [05:04] I am still using my BOSS BR-600! haha [05:04] but, dont expect anyne to be able to hand it to you.. [05:04] I use cubase on windows 7 alongside Ardour on ubuntu studio [05:04] there is no "linux" making sure you get drivers for you devices [05:04] i felt like someone dropped a brand new studio in my lap, but it took time [05:05] The transition is still pretty rough on me [05:05] i didnt go all linux all at once either.. i used linux on a laptop for daily things... email etc [05:05] then, i slowly migrated the studio [05:05] yeah that's what i am using Linux for now.....just learning it [05:05] but, i do actually make $$ with it, so i had to stay production ready through the process [05:06] Yeah, my laptop is mainly my linux machine. My PC is windows 7, but it's really only for gaming [05:06] yeah, if it's a business then stick with what works and stable.... [05:06] yup... and im over trying to keep up with windows [05:06] ardour is the tool i choose to use, and it works great for me [05:07] its really whatever you get used to [05:07] Ardour is very similar to Cubase in many respects [05:08] not similar enough [05:08] also, my plugins wouldnt work [05:08] but, i found ones i like better [05:08] I'd really like to fully transition to Ardour for my recording. [05:09] go for it.. i did.. its great :) [05:09] I dig the open source attitude, and I don't want to have to shell out another $500 for the best features, every couple of years. [05:09] eh.. i wouldnt mind.. i pay for ardour [05:09] the $ is not the reason im here [05:10] well, this is not just for audio recording i guess....the same for Photoshop [05:10] Office [05:10] etc [05:10] i spend a lot of time here which is the same as $ [05:10] You pay for ardour? [05:10] yup.. you can if you want [05:10] Hmm. I might look into that [05:10] Guest64193: im not missing anything.. but you might be [05:10] i honestly just wanted to learn Linux.....then i started thinking about what else can i do on my linux laptopo besides web and email [05:11] libreoffice and google docs does all i need [05:11] ubuntu studio is so far my favourite distro [05:11] but, i dont need word [05:11] Yeah, I actually like Libre better than Microsoft Office [05:11] i dont need cmyk output, though i hear we have that now [05:11] i dont do much graphics.. we dont really have a lot of users here that do it [05:12] I do occasionally [05:12] i use Libreoffice on thw Windows machine [05:12] but, we have openshot going pretty big now, and lightroom coming [05:12] darktable is nice [05:12] It's mainly a tiny hobby that I do when bored [05:12] openshot is sweet and fun [05:12] Guest64193: sudo apt-get libreoffice and you'll have that in ubuntu [05:12] i can get MS Office Suite for $10 from work [05:12] Yep [05:12] but i still didn't buy it [05:12] Guest64193: i dont want the MS site [05:12] suite [05:12] i would pay $10 to keep it off my machine [05:13] haha [05:13] Hahah [05:13] not that there is anything wrong with it.. i just dont want it [05:13] Does Libre come with Studio? I haven't checked yet. [05:13] I literally just got this OS a day or so ago. [05:13] Baker: its in the repos.. we have the same repos as ubuntu [05:13] the only time i used my Windows machine since I installed Linux on this laptop 3 weeks ago....was Lightroom 4 [05:13] Should I just do the terminal command? [05:14] Baker: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get libreoffice [05:14] I only use Windows for Steam. Because most of my steam games aren't on Linux. [05:14] I wonder what they have on Steam Linux [05:14] probably nothing good [05:14] They have all of the half life games [05:14] Guest64193: check out darktable [05:14] And TF2 [05:14] And a few indie games [05:14] would they have Counter Strike? [05:15] Guest64193: i bought a few steam games to be "supportive" [05:15] Of course [05:15] if i paid for CS: GO for Windows...do i still have to pay for the Linux version? [05:15] haha [05:15] Nope! [05:15] no [05:15] AWESOME! [05:15] I play it on both my windows desktop, and my ubuntu laptop. It's awesome. [05:16] if its available, it'll run win lin or OSX.. or the set top box they might release [05:16] you dont have to re-purchase anything [05:16] They actually just did a promotion thing a few weeks ago where if you played TF2 on a linux distro, you got an in game penguin thing. [05:16] I don't remember the details though, haha. [05:17] http://store.steampowered.com/browse/linux/ [05:17] For the curious [05:17] welcome to the channel folks.. i gotta get horizontal.. check #opensourcemusicians as well.. good night! [05:17] Thanks for the help! See you later === NiTRO is now known as Guest93466 [06:14] my ubuntu studio crahed [06:15] manoosh, details? [06:15] i can't see minimise,close options on opening windows [06:17] i am using studio 12.10 [06:18] i cannot maximise any opened window [06:18] anybody knows hoe to fix it? [06:23] cfhowlett, have you got any idea? [06:24] manoosh, I know WHERE it is but not how to fix ... xfce4-panel [06:25] thanks [06:29] cfhowlett: Thank you for extending your membership in ~ubuntustudio-testing [06:30] smartboyhw, *blush* why thank you! [06:31] smartboyhw, since you're here: did I miss it? I didn't do any testing cuz direct downloads were not working for me, but I didn't see daily build torrents ... [06:37] cfhowlett: Daily builds are not torrented, and the latest "daily" build is the 13.04 release. Why doesn't the downloads work for you, BTW? [06:38] smartboyhw, cuz I'm in Beijing and slow internet but dirty signal means cfhowlett is a sad ubuntu [06:41] * cfhowlett looks forward to testing Saucy Salamander [12:57] Hey all. [12:57] Hello ZacJ [12:57] I'm new to Ubuntu and I'm trying to play my guitar through it. [12:58] I don't have an amp right now, due to financial issues. [12:58] How might I go about this with Audacity? [12:58] >rakarrack hasn't worked for me [12:59] ZacJ: Audacity is a audio wave editor [12:59] ZacJ: Are you also wanting to record, or just play guitar? [12:59] Just play :D. [12:59] ZacJ: There are two applications you can use. rakarrack and guitarix. Both require jack [12:59] I keep having issues with jackd so rakarrack didn't go so well. [13:00] ZacJ: Which release are you on? [13:00] ^^ [13:00] 12.04 I THINK :\ [13:00] * ZacJ is really new to Ubuntu, lol... [13:00] ZacJ: Probably you had another application using your audio device, which stopped jack from being able to grab it [13:01] Hm... well, I've tried restarting and that didn't fix it. [13:01] ZacJ: Do this in a terminal, and paste the results to http://paste.ubuntu.com : cat /proc/asound/cards [13:01] Then give me the link [13:02] http://paste.ubuntu.com/5608301/ [13:02] (thx btw) [13:02] That's weird. Do you have two builtin audio devices? Is the other HDMI? [13:03] One built in, one is my guitar. [13:03] Honestly not sure which is which. [13:03] Just miniphono. [13:03] ZacJ: Do this in the terminal, and paste it to me: aplay -l [13:04] ZacJ: This too: arecord -l [13:04] http://paste.ubuntu.com/5608314/ [13:05] Ok, so what we can see from there is that one of the cards only has output [13:05] And it's HDMO [13:05] HDMI [13:05] oh [13:05] card 0 [13:06] The thing is, each time you boot, the order of those cards may change [13:06] ZacJ: So, try this in the commandline: jackd -d alsa -d hw:1 [13:07] http://paste.ubuntu.com/5608320/ [13:07] ZacJ: that means pulseaudio is using the card [13:07] ;_; [13:08] ZacJ: Close down anything that is using audio, including web pages with flahs content [13:08] Also, you con't have realtime privilege, but we'll get to that [13:08] don't* [13:08] Rhythmbox is still kinda running in the background, it's not playing anything [13:09] ZacJ: You'll need to close it down [13:09] Everything that has anything to do with audio [13:09] How from terminal? Thanks again. [13:09] ZacJ: Just use the menu - quit [13:10] ZacJ: also, could you do this and paste the results (if any): cat /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf [13:10] It still lives when I go to my sound options. [13:10] kk sec [13:11] Don't use the X button. Use the menu to quit it [13:11] I did :O [13:11] Also, it said the directory didn't exist. [13:11] ZacJ: Try this: cat /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf.disabled [13:12] http://paste.ubuntu.com/5608335/ [13:13] ZacJ: Ok, so here's what you need to do [13:13] O.O [13:13] First, enable that file: sudo mv /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf.disabled /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf [13:14] Next time, answer yes to realtime when installing jackd, and that will happen [13:14] But, that is only half of the realtime puzzle [13:14] Err how do I enable it? [13:14] Lol such a noob. [13:14] ZacJ: Just use the command I wrote [13:15] You rename the file to exclude .disabled [13:15] Okay, done :D. [13:15] ZacJ: The other half is to add yourself to audio group (in that file, you might have noticed @audio - that's the audio group) [13:15] ZacJ: So: sudo usermod -a -G audio $USER [13:16] ZacJ: Finally, install linux-lowlatency: sudo apt-get install linux-lowlatency [13:16] Reboot. Make sure you boot to linux-lowlatency [13:16] Okay :D. [13:16] Getting it. [13:16] ZacJ: When you've rebooted, make sure you know which device is which [13:16] How might I make sure I boot to LLL? [13:17] ZacJ: If you don't see the Grub menu, push Shift during boot [13:17] Then you just select the latest linux-lowlatency kernel from the list [13:17] kk [13:18] ZacJ: Once you've rebooted, make sure you know which card is which [13:18] ZacJ: Easiest is just to do: arecord -l [13:18] "a" stands for alsa [13:18] The card that is recordable is your builtin card [13:18] Or, has inputs [13:19] ZacJ: Then, when you use whatever tool you use to start jack, like qjackctl, make sure you choose the correct device, before starting jack [13:19] ZacJ: It was hw:1 this time, but it could be hw:0 next time you reboot [13:22] Hey [13:22] My comp's been really screwy with the new OS, IRC froze. [13:23] 15:17 < zequence> ZacJ: Once you've rebooted, make sure you know which card is which [13:23] 15:18 < zequence> ZacJ: Easiest is just to do: arecord -l [13:23] 15:18 < zequence> "a" stands for alsa [13:23] 15:18 < zequence> The card that is recordable is your builtin card [13:23] 15:18 < zequence> Or, has inputs [13:23] 15:18 < zequence> ZacJ: Then, when you use whatever tool you use to start jack, like qjackctl, make sure you choose the correct device, before starting jack [13:23] 15:19 < zequence> ZacJ: It was hw:1 this time, but it could be hw:0 next time you reboot [13:24] ZacJ_: To reduce latency, you'll need to lower frames/period [13:24] ..in qjackctl [13:24] ZacJ_: Read more here.. [13:24] !proaudio [13:24] For information on professional audio tools in Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/ProAudioIntro [13:24] ZacJ_: Come back if you have problems [13:24] Thanks man ^_^_^_^_^ [13:47] hi [13:47] i am looking for a software mixer using jack to build a full virtual radio-setup. i need dynamics, eqing and aux capability für mix-minus and off air recording - any idea? thanks in advance [13:55] raven, is Mixxx what you're looking for? [13:55] no [13:56] i need a mixing console [13:56] for example 4 skype inputs with 4 mix minus outputs [14:16] raven: theres jack mixer [14:16] without aux buses [14:16] raven: what are you asking? [14:17] you dont want busses? [14:17] i am looking for a software mixer using jack to build a full virtual radio-setup. i need dynamics, eqing and aux capability für mix-minus and off air recording - any idea? thanks in advance [14:17] just dont add them.. you can add whatever you like in jack mixer and use it as an aux or not [14:17] raven: i read your post [14:17] raven: you can use jack mixer [14:17] you can rout EQ's, volume controls.. whatever you want.. pre or post [14:18] i do not want to plug in the patchbay every time i want to record something offair for example i want buttons 1-4 for example to assign every channel directly to one aux [14:18] raven: you can route whatever you like however you want [14:19] yes per patch and not per button [14:19] raven: ? [14:19] raven: per jack real or virtual channel/track [14:19] all virtual [14:19] raven: i dont know what you are refering to as buttons [14:20] i could take any signal in from my sound card, OR an audio track or effects send, and use jack mixer to control the volume.. i could patch an EQ into that anywhere i want in the signal chain [14:21] sry you ignore my requirements written [14:21] raven: in what way? specically? [14:21] i assure you i am no ignoring anything [14:21] !volunteers [14:21] The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines [14:22] raven: i read your post you double posted, and i *have* used jack mixer for that [14:22] bye [14:22] doing a podcast, it was quite handy.. for the #opensourcemusicians community [14:23] raven: i *have* done what you are trying to do with the software i suggest [14:23] raven: there is not "virtual radio mixer".. but you can make one [14:23] there are session managers to make recalling all of these easier [14:50] How do you install the Nvidia drivers in Studio 13.04? [14:53] Cenbe, which driver do you want? [14:54] Cenbe: Check out Software source, there's a tab for drivers there [14:54] Softare Sources* [14:55] You can also install from the command line, for instance: sudo apt-get install nvidia-304 [14:55] OK... [14:55] There are a few different versions [14:56] On Ubuntu Studio, the app is called "Software and Updates" [14:56] In the Settings menu [15:01] OK, do I want 304, 310, or 313? I've got GeForce GT 430. [15:01] Most recent but one, I'd guess. [15:03] I can't really advice on that [15:03] Installing 310 as we speak. [15:07] And, reboot... [15:09] tee minus three, two, one... [15:09] Godspeed, Cenbe. [15:10] And, REBOOT! We have reboot of the latest Ubuntu Studio running the Nvidia drivers! [15:10] [the control room erupts in cheers] [15:10] Yaaay! [15:10] Thank you, gentlemen. [15:10] We couldn't have done it without you. [15:10] heh [15:11] Nouveau misbehaves on that machine. [15:12] So I've got a tiny noobish question that relates to Mozilla. I'm new to firefox, so I have absolutely no idea how it works. How do I view the bookmark toolbar? [15:14] View/Toolbars/Bookmarks toolbar (or View/Sidebar/Bookmarks) [15:14] Wow, that was really simple, haha. Thank you. [15:21] Baker: You can also just right click on some of the areas in the control area to select/deselect what you want to view [15:21] Such as the main manu [15:21] menu* [15:22] Sorry, the menu bar [15:22] Yeah, I just found that [15:22] I've used Chrome for the past year or so, so it's a bit jarring switching to Mozilla [15:23] But it's been pretty smooth other than that bookmark thing. I dig it. [15:23] Baker: You can get chromium-browser, if you prefer it [15:24] Well I made the switch because Chrome and Chromium were prone to crashing a lot on my computer. [15:24] I'm a hardcore FF guy myself [15:25] I like FF so far [15:25] * smartboyhw uses FF all day [15:25] As our class motto says: "IE is the downloader of Firefox or Chrome." [15:25] zequence, ^ P [15:25] s/P/;P/ [15:27] smartboyhw: Ah, you mean that funny looking browser you get with WINE? [15:27] Hahaha, I haven't used IE in years. [15:27] zequence, what you can run IE in Wine? IE = Internet Explorer [15:28] I might happen to run IE if I had too much of WINE [15:30] tedx talk about what tech industry has learned from Torvalds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XTHdcmjenI [15:52]