[00:30] <Guest6760> Can someone help me with Pure Data? Everytime I open a patch, I get logged out (to the login screen). I'm running 13.04, 32-bit.
[03:22] <bim> Hi, will regular updates get me up to speed with 12.04.2 if my installation was 12.04 ?
[03:24] <cfhowlett> bim, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:53] <bim> cfhowlett: that will get me to 12.04.2 ?
[03:55] <bim> I'm not very experienced, so I was also wondering would it be best to stick with the lts or upgrade to 13.04 ?...thanks
[03:56] <holstein> bim: automatically
[03:56] <holstein> bim: you will be upgraded automatically by those commands to the latest 12.04
[03:56] <holstein> bim: "best" is a matter of opinion
[03:56] <bim> ok..thanks
[03:57] <bim> what about 13.04 , should I pass on it ?
[03:57] <cfhowlett> bim, yes that would upgrade you to the latest 12.04
[03:57] <cfhowlett> bim, also, my recommendation is to go with LTS only unless you truly need the the latest/greatest/shiniest stuff.  YMMV
[03:57] <holstein> my production rig is on 12.04, but more because i just dont want to mess with it
[03:57] <cfhowlett> bim, 13.04 is not LTS and will be supported for only 9 months ...
[03:57] <holstein> bim: is 13.04 stable? sure.. do you want it? dont know
[03:58] <cfhowlett> holstein, 100% agree
[03:58] <cfhowlett> bim, do you want to make art or muck around with install/config every 9 months.  Choose
[03:58] <bim> I like the idea of lts ...and I am not a cutting edge kinda guy ...
[03:58] <holstein> i dont even upgrade my production machine that often
[03:58] <holstein> i need it to work...
[03:58] <holstein> bim: you can always load up ubuntustudio 13.04 live and see
[04:00] <bim> I just wish I could get ubuntustudio to work on my not really that old laptop
[04:00] <cfhowlett> bim, 12.04 then.
[04:00] <holstein> try it..
[04:00] <holstein> bim: whats the issue?
[04:00] <bim> I did....no luck...the new ubuntu desktop wont either
[04:01] <bim> It wont boot up
[04:01] <holstein> bim: what luck?
[04:01] <holstein> bim: tell be *exactly* what is going on?
[04:01] <bim> I installed wheezy netinstall and tango studio repos on my laptop....works fats
[04:01] <holstein> what fails? how? when?
[04:02] <holstein> bim: so, wheezy works? and tango? but not ubuntu?
[04:02] <bim> yes
[04:02] <bim> wheezy with mate even
[04:02] <holstein> bim: mate has *nothing* to do with it
[04:02] <holstein> bim: what do i think it is? kernel related..
[04:03] <holstein> !nomodeset
[04:03] <holstein> ^^ i bet you are getting that.. and could get arond it and install a graphics driver you need
[04:03] <bim> intel gdm850
[04:03] <holstein> would i ? not if tango is working... but you can pop a live CD in and do a nomodeset and see
[04:04] <bim> Ok..I'll dwnload the new studio and try
[04:05] <bim> how do yoy do a nomodeset..at waht point in the boot process ?
[04:05] <bim> holstein ?
[04:06] <holstein> bim: i tap shift, after the bios.. then, from that screen, down at the bottom.. F6
[04:06] <bim> hmm sounds like it will be different on every brand of laptop...I have a dell inspiron 1150....9 years old
[04:07] <holstein> ?
[04:07] <holstein> *after* the bios
[04:07] <bim> shift and F6 ok...
[04:07] <holstein> the screen you are looking for hides
[04:07] <holstein> shift makes it show
[04:07] <bim> ahhh...the old hidden screen trick....
[04:08] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132
[04:08] <bim> you think it may work with the ubuntustudio 12.04 ?
[04:09] <holstein> bim: i would have to be in front of it, but yes
[04:09] <bim> btw xubuntu 13.04 boots bout ubuntu 13.04 doesnt
[04:10] <bim> so the kernels are different ?
[04:10] <holstein> bim: look and see, but yes
[04:10] <holstein> bim: xubuntu 13.04 has the same kernel as ubuntu 13.04 though
[04:11] <holstein> bim: the difference there? i think its 3d graphics related or a bad iso/disc/optical drive
[04:11] <bim> ok......so why would the one boot and not the other ?....gnome 3 needs the 3d out of the box then ?
[04:12] <holstein> bim: ubuntu doesnt have gnome3
[04:12] <bim> there is a new one with gnome
[04:12] <holstein> bim: you said ubuntu doesnt work.. thats unity.. unity has either 3d or some newish pass through
[04:12] <holstein> bim: ubuntu nor xubuntu have gnome
[04:12] <holstein> bim: is it 3d? i dont know, but nomodeset is another test you can try
[04:13] <bim> Thats great ...I'll try that
[04:14] <holstein> i'll tell you what its not.. its not "ubuntu wont work on my machine".. it'll just be a matter of sorting out what you need
[04:15] <holstein> you can always use a custom xorg.conf with a vesa driver or some other hacks
[04:15] <holstein> unity or gnome3 requiring 3d can be a deal-breaker though
[04:16] <bim> I just recall fall back being the only option
[04:17] <bim> on an earlier ubuntu, maybe 12
[04:17] <holstein> there is no "fallback".. not for unity.. not anymore
[04:17] <holstein> no unity 2d
[04:18] <holstein> just the tricky passthrough thing that i dont quite understand, or care about using, since im not interested in unity or gnome3
[04:18] <bim> I just assumed that since studio was built on xfce that I would have no problem as all xfce distros boot on my laptop
[04:19] <bim> all that I have tried....
[04:23] <bim> i have 12.10 installed...looks like I need to upgrade to 12.04 after all
[04:24] <bim> i thought I had the .04...
[04:43] <Baker> Hey I've got a question, if anyone could answer
[04:44] <holstein> ask, and we'll see
[04:45] <Baker> I accidentally deleted the volume icon in the top toolbar. When I tried to add another, it doesn't function the same. The old volume icon would show me my volume and a shortcut to the default music player. Now when I click it, it displays the mixer.
[04:46] <holstein> Baker: you can always look in a new user account or in the live CD for what use to be there
[04:46] <Baker> I tried to do that with a guest account, to view the properties, but it wouldn't let me view the properties.
[04:46] <holstein> Baker: what would you like to do?
[04:47] <Baker> I'd like to restore the volume icon to its previous function
[04:47] <Baker> Of showing my volume and the widget for my music player.
[04:49] <Baker> Is anyone able to help me?
[04:49] <holstein> Baker: you can start removing things from your home...
[04:49] <holstein> Baker: yes.. i can
[04:51] <holstein> Baker: http://askubuntu.com/questions/224006/resetting-xfce-panels-to-default-settings
[04:55] <Baker> I'm currently trying this
[04:56] <Ken_> Hi
[04:56] <Baker> holstein: That fixed it. You've been a great help.
[04:56] <holstein> Baker: cheers
[04:56] <Baker> Thank you very much
[04:57] <Guest64193> does anyone here use Ubuntu Studio to do simple multi-track recordings?
[04:57] <Guest64193> i have a couple of questions
[04:58] <Baker> I've started doing that
[04:58] <Baker> Very recently though.
[04:58] <Guest64193> It's ok....I have questions about setups
[04:58] <holstein> i do analog tracking.. usually no more than 8 at time
[04:59] <Baker> I've really only used Ardour and Audacity here.
[04:59] <Guest64193> for the audio interface....like a Tascam 144 or something.....they don't have Linux drivers....so would Ubuntu Studio recognize the USB interface?
[04:59] <holstein> i have a 144
[04:59] <holstein> it was a pain to get it working...
[05:00] <holstein> needed a custom jackd line.. and so far, i havent had it working since 12.04
[05:00] <holstein> but, its not worth the hassle really
[05:00] <holstein> i would just fire up an ubuntustudio live CD on whatever internal card you have and get used to using JACK
[05:00] <holstein> !proaudio
[05:00] <Guest64193> oh....so is there a list of compatible USB interfaces somewhere that tells me would work well with Linux?
[05:00] <holstein> then, you can decide what you want to buy
[05:01] <holstein> Guest64193: sure. the alsa matrix, but i personaly dont like USB hardware
[05:01] <holstein> and, i dont trust "lists".. i go get the thing, and plug it in and test it.. and save my reciepts
[05:01] <holstein> a kernel upgrade and literally make or break support
[05:01] <Guest64193> so how do you get the audio into the computer if you don't use an USB interface?
[05:01] <holstein> Guest64193: you can generate audio in the box to "test" and "learn" with
[05:02] <holstein> i use firewire.. but i have a few USB interfaces i use as well
[05:02] <holstein> a lexixon omega that is "plug and play"
[05:03] <Guest64193> so for now....it seems audio recording is still easier to setup on a Windows machine?  (Don't flame me!  :) )
[05:03] <holstein> nah.. i dont care
[05:03] <holstein> use what you want
[05:03] <holstein> i was using cubase on XP for years.. and i switched to linux. it wasnt easy, but it was worth it for me
[05:03] <holstein> should you switch? i literally dont know
[05:04] <Guest64193> I am still using my BOSS BR-600! haha
[05:04] <holstein> but, dont expect anyne to be able to hand it to you..
[05:04] <Baker> I use cubase on windows 7 alongside Ardour on ubuntu studio
[05:04] <holstein> there is no "linux" making sure you get drivers for you devices
[05:04] <holstein> i felt like someone dropped a brand new studio in my lap, but it took time
[05:05] <Baker> The transition is still pretty rough on me
[05:05] <holstein> i didnt go all linux all at once either.. i used linux on a laptop for daily things... email etc
[05:05] <holstein> then, i slowly migrated the studio
[05:05] <Guest64193> yeah that's what i am using Linux for now.....just learning it
[05:05] <holstein> but, i do actually make $$ with it, so i had to stay production ready through the process
[05:06] <Baker> Yeah, my laptop is mainly my linux machine. My PC is windows 7, but it's really only for gaming
[05:06] <Guest64193> yeah, if it's a business then stick with what works and stable....
[05:06] <holstein> yup... and im over trying to keep up with windows
[05:06] <holstein> ardour is the tool i choose to use, and it works great for me
[05:07] <holstein> its really whatever you get used to
[05:07] <Baker> Ardour is very similar to Cubase in many respects
[05:08] <holstein> not similar enough
[05:08] <holstein> also, my plugins wouldnt work
[05:08] <holstein> but, i found ones i like better
[05:08] <Baker> I'd really like to fully transition to Ardour for my recording.
[05:09] <holstein> go for it.. i did.. its great :)
[05:09] <Baker> I dig the open source attitude, and I don't want to have to shell out another $500 for the best features, every couple of years.
[05:09] <holstein> eh.. i wouldnt mind.. i pay for ardour
[05:09] <holstein> the $ is not the reason im here
[05:10] <Guest64193> well, this is not just for audio recording i guess....the same for Photoshop
[05:10] <Guest64193> Office
[05:10] <Guest64193> etc
[05:10] <holstein> i spend a lot of time here which is the same as $
[05:10] <Baker> You pay for ardour?
[05:10] <holstein> yup.. you can if you want
[05:10] <Baker> Hmm. I might look into that
[05:10] <holstein> Guest64193: im not missing anything.. but you might be
[05:10] <Guest64193> i honestly just wanted to learn Linux.....then i started thinking about what else can i do on my linux laptopo besides web and email
[05:11] <holstein> libreoffice and google docs does all i need
[05:11] <Baker> ubuntu studio is so far my favourite distro
[05:11] <holstein> but, i dont need word
[05:11] <Baker> Yeah, I actually like Libre better than Microsoft Office
[05:11] <holstein> i dont need cmyk output, though i hear we have that now
[05:11] <holstein> i dont do much graphics.. we dont really have a lot of users here that do it
[05:12] <Baker> I do occasionally
[05:12] <Guest64193> i use Libreoffice on thw Windows machine
[05:12] <holstein> but, we have openshot going pretty big now, and lightroom coming
[05:12] <holstein> darktable is nice
[05:12] <Baker> It's mainly a tiny hobby that I do when bored
[05:12] <cfhowlett> openshot is sweet and fun
[05:12] <holstein> Guest64193: sudo apt-get libreoffice and you'll have that in ubuntu
[05:12] <Guest64193> i can get MS Office Suite for $10 from work
[05:12] <smartboyhw> Yep
[05:12] <Guest64193> but i still didn't buy it
[05:12] <holstein> Guest64193: i dont want the MS site
[05:12] <holstein> suite
[05:12] <holstein> i would pay $10 to keep it off my machine
[05:13] <Guest64193> haha
[05:13] <Baker> Hahah
[05:13] <holstein> not that there is anything wrong with it.. i just dont want it
[05:13] <Baker> Does Libre come with Studio? I haven't checked yet.
[05:13] <Baker> I literally just got this OS a day or so ago.
[05:13] <holstein> Baker: its in the repos.. we have the same repos as ubuntu
[05:13] <Guest64193> the only time i used my Windows machine since I installed Linux on this laptop 3 weeks ago....was Lightroom 4
[05:13] <Baker> Should I just do the terminal command?
[05:14] <holstein> Baker: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get libreoffice
[05:14] <Baker> I only use Windows for Steam. Because most of my steam games aren't on Linux.
[05:14] <Guest64193> I wonder what they have on Steam Linux
[05:14] <Guest64193> probably nothing good
[05:14] <Baker> They have all of the half life games
[05:14] <holstein> Guest64193: check out darktable
[05:14] <Baker> And TF2
[05:14] <Baker> And a few indie games
[05:14] <Guest64193> would they have Counter Strike?
[05:15] <holstein> Guest64193: i bought a few steam games to be "supportive"
[05:15] <Baker> Of course
[05:15] <Guest64193> if i paid for CS: GO for Windows...do i still have to pay for the Linux version?
[05:15] <Guest64193> haha
[05:15] <Baker> Nope!
[05:15] <cfhowlett> no
[05:15] <Guest64193> AWESOME!
[05:15] <Baker> I play it on both my windows desktop, and my ubuntu laptop. It's awesome.
[05:16] <holstein> if its available, it'll run win lin or OSX.. or the set top box they might release
[05:16] <holstein> you dont have to re-purchase anything
[05:16] <Baker> They actually just did a promotion thing a few weeks ago where if you played TF2 on a linux distro, you got an in game penguin thing.
[05:16] <Baker> I don't remember the details though, haha.
[05:17] <Baker> http://store.steampowered.com/browse/linux/
[05:17] <Baker> For the curious
[05:17] <holstein> welcome to the channel folks.. i gotta get horizontal.. check #opensourcemusicians as well.. good night!
[05:17] <Baker> Thanks for the help! See you later
[06:14] <manoosh> my ubuntu studio crahed
[06:15] <cfhowlett> manoosh, details?
[06:15] <manoosh> i can't see minimise,close options on opening windows
[06:17] <manoosh> i am using studio 12.10
[06:18] <manoosh> i cannot maximise any opened window
[06:18] <manoosh> anybody knows hoe to fix it?
[06:23] <manoosh> cfhowlett, have you got  any idea?
[06:24] <cfhowlett> manoosh, I know WHERE it is but not how to fix ... xfce4-panel
[06:25] <manoosh> thanks
[06:29] <smartboyhw> cfhowlett: Thank you for extending your membership in ~ubuntustudio-testing
[06:30] <cfhowlett> smartboyhw, *blush*  why thank you!
[06:31] <cfhowlett> smartboyhw, since you're here: did I miss it?  I didn't do any testing cuz direct downloads were not working for me, but I didn't see daily build torrents ...
[06:37] <smartboyhw> cfhowlett: Daily builds are not torrented, and the latest "daily" build is the 13.04 release. Why doesn't the downloads work for you, BTW?
[06:38] <cfhowlett> smartboyhw, cuz I'm in Beijing and slow internet but dirty signal means cfhowlett is a sad ubuntu
[06:41]  * cfhowlett looks forward to testing Saucy Salamander
[12:57] <ZacJ> Hey all.
[12:57] <smartboyhw> Hello ZacJ
[12:57] <ZacJ> I'm new to Ubuntu and I'm trying to play my guitar through it.
[12:58] <ZacJ> I don't have an amp right now, due to financial issues.
[12:58] <ZacJ> How might I go about this with Audacity?
[12:58] <ZacJ> >rakarrack hasn't worked for me
[12:59] <zequence> ZacJ: Audacity is a audio wave editor
[12:59] <zequence> ZacJ: Are you also wanting to record, or just play guitar?
[12:59] <ZacJ> Just play :D.
[12:59] <zequence> ZacJ: There are two applications you can use. rakarrack and guitarix. Both require jack
[12:59] <ZacJ> I keep having issues with jackd so rakarrack didn't go so well.
[13:00] <zequence> ZacJ: Which release are you on?
[13:00] <ZacJ> ^^
[13:00] <ZacJ> 12.04 I THINK :\
[13:00]  * ZacJ is really new to Ubuntu, lol...
[13:00] <zequence> ZacJ: Probably you had another application using your audio device, which stopped jack from being able to grab it
[13:01] <ZacJ> Hm...  well, I've tried restarting and that didn't fix it.
[13:01] <zequence> ZacJ: Do this in a terminal, and paste the results to http://paste.ubuntu.com : cat /proc/asound/cards
[13:01] <zequence> Then give me the link
[13:02] <ZacJ> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5608301/
[13:02] <ZacJ> (thx btw)
[13:02] <zequence> That's weird. Do you have two builtin audio devices? Is the other HDMI?
[13:03] <ZacJ> One built in, one is my guitar.
[13:03] <ZacJ> Honestly not sure which is which.
[13:03] <ZacJ> Just miniphono.
[13:03] <zequence> ZacJ: Do this in the terminal, and paste it to me: aplay -l
[13:04] <zequence> ZacJ: This too: arecord -l
[13:04] <ZacJ> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5608314/
[13:05] <zequence> Ok, so what we can see from there is that one of the cards only has output
[13:05] <zequence> And it's HDMO
[13:05] <zequence> HDMI
[13:05] <ZacJ> oh
[13:05] <zequence> card 0
[13:06] <zequence> The thing is, each time you boot, the order of those cards may change
[13:06] <zequence> ZacJ: So, try this in the commandline: jackd -d alsa -d hw:1
[13:07] <ZacJ> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5608320/
[13:07] <zequence> ZacJ: that means pulseaudio is using the card
[13:07] <ZacJ> ;_;
[13:08] <zequence> ZacJ: Close down anything that is using audio, including web pages with flahs content
[13:08] <zequence> Also, you con't have realtime privilege, but we'll get to that
[13:08] <zequence> don't*
[13:08] <ZacJ> Rhythmbox is still kinda running in the background, it's not playing anything
[13:09] <zequence> ZacJ: You'll need to close it down
[13:09] <zequence> Everything that has anything to do with audio
[13:09] <ZacJ> How from terminal?  Thanks again.
[13:09] <zequence> ZacJ: Just use the menu - quit
[13:10] <zequence> ZacJ: also, could you do this and paste the results (if any): cat /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf
[13:10] <ZacJ> It still lives when I go to my sound options.
[13:10] <ZacJ> kk sec
[13:11] <zequence> Don't use the X button. Use the menu to quit it
[13:11] <ZacJ> I did :O
[13:11] <ZacJ> Also, it said the directory didn't exist.
[13:11] <zequence> ZacJ: Try this: cat /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf.disabled
[13:12] <ZacJ> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5608335/
[13:13] <zequence> ZacJ: Ok, so here's what you need to do
[13:13] <ZacJ> O.O
[13:13] <zequence> First, enable that file: sudo mv /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf.disabled /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf
[13:14] <zequence> Next time, answer yes to realtime when installing jackd, and that will happen
[13:14] <zequence> But, that is only half of the realtime puzzle
[13:14] <ZacJ> Err how do I enable it?
[13:14] <ZacJ> Lol such a noob.
[13:14] <zequence> ZacJ: Just use the command I wrote
[13:15] <zequence> You rename the file to exclude .disabled
[13:15] <ZacJ> Okay, done :D.
[13:15] <zequence> ZacJ: The other half is to add yourself to audio group (in that file, you might have noticed @audio - that's the audio group)
[13:15] <zequence> ZacJ: So: sudo usermod -a -G audio $USER
[13:16] <zequence> ZacJ: Finally, install linux-lowlatency: sudo apt-get install linux-lowlatency
[13:16] <zequence> Reboot. Make sure you boot to linux-lowlatency
[13:16] <ZacJ> Okay :D.
[13:16] <ZacJ> Getting it.
[13:16] <zequence> ZacJ: When you've rebooted, make sure you know which device is which
[13:16] <ZacJ> How might I make sure I boot to LLL?
[13:17] <zequence> ZacJ: If you don't see the Grub menu, push Shift during boot
[13:17] <zequence> Then you just select the latest linux-lowlatency kernel from the list
[13:17] <ZacJ> kk
[13:18] <zequence> ZacJ: Once you've rebooted, make sure you know which card is which
[13:18] <zequence> ZacJ: Easiest is just to do: arecord -l
[13:18] <zequence> "a" stands for alsa
[13:18] <zequence> The card that is recordable is your builtin card
[13:18] <zequence> Or, has inputs
[13:19] <zequence> ZacJ: Then, when you use whatever tool you use to start jack, like qjackctl, make sure you choose the correct device, before starting jack
[13:19] <zequence> ZacJ: It was hw:1 this time, but it could be hw:0 next time you reboot
[13:22] <ZacJ_> Hey
[13:22] <ZacJ_> My comp's been really screwy with the new OS, IRC froze.
[13:23] <zequence> 15:17 < zequence> ZacJ: Once you've rebooted, make sure you know which card is which
[13:23] <zequence> 15:18 < zequence> ZacJ: Easiest is just to do: arecord -l
[13:23] <zequence> 15:18 < zequence> "a" stands for alsa
[13:23] <zequence> 15:18 < zequence> The card that is recordable is your builtin card
[13:23] <zequence> 15:18 < zequence> Or, has inputs
[13:23] <zequence> 15:18 < zequence> ZacJ: Then, when you use whatever tool you use to start jack, like qjackctl, make sure you choose the correct device, before starting jack
[13:23] <zequence> 15:19 < zequence> ZacJ: It was hw:1 this time, but it could be hw:0 next time you reboot
[13:24] <zequence> ZacJ_: To reduce latency, you'll need to lower frames/period
[13:24] <zequence> ..in qjackctl
[13:24] <zequence> ZacJ_: Read more here..
[13:24] <zequence> !proaudio
[13:24] <zequence> ZacJ_: Come back if you have problems
[13:24] <ZacJ_> Thanks man ^_^_^_^_^
[13:47] <raven> hi
[13:47] <raven> i am looking for a software mixer using jack to build a full virtual radio-setup. i need dynamics, eqing and aux capability für mix-minus and off air recording - any idea? thanks in advance
[13:55] <DarkEra> raven, is Mixxx what you're looking for?
[13:55] <raven> no
[13:56] <raven> i need a mixing console
[13:56] <raven> for example 4 skype inputs with 4 mix minus outputs
[14:16] <holstein> raven: theres jack mixer
[14:16] <raven> without aux buses
[14:16] <holstein> raven: what are you asking?
[14:17] <holstein> you dont want busses?
[14:17] <raven> i am looking for a software mixer using jack to build a full virtual radio-setup. i need dynamics, eqing and aux capability für mix-minus and off air recording - any idea? thanks in advance
[14:17] <holstein> just dont add them.. you can add whatever you like in jack mixer and use it as an aux or not
[14:17] <holstein> raven: i read your post
[14:17] <holstein> raven: you can use jack mixer
[14:17] <holstein> you can rout EQ's, volume controls.. whatever you want.. pre or post
[14:18] <raven> i do not want to plug in the patchbay every time i want to record something  offair for example i want buttons 1-4 for example to assign every channel directly to one aux
[14:18] <holstein> raven: you can route whatever you like however you want
[14:19] <raven> yes per patch and not per button
[14:19] <holstein> raven: ?
[14:19] <holstein> raven: per jack real or virtual channel/track
[14:19] <raven> all virtual
[14:19] <holstein> raven: i dont know what you are refering to as buttons
[14:20] <holstein> i could take any signal in from my sound card, OR an audio track or effects send, and use jack mixer to control the volume.. i could patch an EQ into that anywhere i want in the signal chain
[14:21] <raven> sry you ignore my requirements written
[14:21] <holstein> raven: in what way? specically?
[14:21] <holstein> i assure you i am no ignoring anything
[14:21] <holstein> !volunteers
[14:22] <holstein> raven: i read your post you double posted, and i *have* used jack mixer for that
[14:22] <raven> bye
[14:22] <holstein> doing a podcast, it was quite handy.. for the #opensourcemusicians community
[14:23] <holstein> raven: i *have* done what you are trying to do with the software i suggest
[14:23] <holstein> raven: there is not "virtual radio mixer".. but you can make one
[14:23] <holstein> there are session managers to make recalling all of these easier
[14:50] <Cenbe> How do you install the Nvidia drivers in Studio 13.04?
[14:53] <smartboyhw> Cenbe, which driver do you want?
[14:54] <zequence> Cenbe: Check out Software source, there's a tab for drivers there
[14:54] <zequence> Softare Sources*
[14:55] <zequence> You can also install from the command line, for instance: sudo apt-get install nvidia-304
[14:55] <Cenbe> OK...
[14:55] <zequence> There are a few different versions
[14:56] <zequence> On Ubuntu Studio, the app is called "Software and Updates"
[14:56] <zequence> In the Settings menu
[15:01] <Cenbe> OK, do I want 304, 310, or 313? I've got GeForce GT 430.
[15:01] <Cenbe> Most recent but one, I'd guess.
[15:03] <zequence> I can't really advice on that
[15:03] <Cenbe> Installing 310 as we speak.
[15:07] <Cenbe> And, reboot...
[15:09] <Cenbe> tee minus three, two, one...
[15:09] <Baker> Godspeed, Cenbe.
[15:10] <Cenbe> And, REBOOT! We have reboot of the latest Ubuntu Studio running the Nvidia drivers!
[15:10] <Cenbe> [the control room erupts in cheers]
[15:10] <Baker> Yaaay!
[15:10] <Cenbe> Thank you, gentlemen.
[15:10] <Baker> We couldn't have done it without you.
[15:10] <Cenbe> heh
[15:11] <Cenbe> Nouveau misbehaves on that machine.
[15:12] <Baker> So I've got a tiny noobish question that relates to Mozilla. I'm new to firefox, so I have absolutely no idea how it works. How do I view the bookmark toolbar?
[15:14] <Cenbe> View/Toolbars/Bookmarks toolbar (or View/Sidebar/Bookmarks)
[15:14] <Baker> Wow, that was really simple, haha. Thank you.
[15:21] <zequence> Baker: You can also just right click on some of the areas in the control area to select/deselect what you want to view
[15:21] <zequence> Such as the main manu
[15:21] <zequence> menu*
[15:22] <zequence> Sorry, the menu bar
[15:22] <Baker> Yeah, I just found that
[15:22] <Baker> I've used Chrome for the past year or so, so it's a bit jarring switching to Mozilla
[15:23] <Baker> But it's been pretty smooth other than that bookmark thing. I dig it.
[15:23] <zequence> Baker: You can get chromium-browser, if you prefer it
[15:24] <Baker> Well I made the switch because Chrome and Chromium were prone to crashing a lot on my computer.
[15:24] <zequence> I'm a hardcore FF guy myself
[15:25] <Baker> I like FF so far
[15:25]  * smartboyhw uses FF all day
[15:25] <smartboyhw> As our class motto says: "IE is the downloader of Firefox or Chrome."
[15:25] <smartboyhw> zequence, ^ P
[15:25] <smartboyhw> s/P/;P/
[15:27] <zequence> smartboyhw: Ah, you mean that funny looking browser you get with WINE?
[15:27] <Baker> Hahaha, I haven't used IE in years.
[15:27] <smartboyhw> zequence, what you can run IE in Wine? IE = Internet Explorer
[15:28] <zequence> I might happen to run IE if I had too much of WINE
[15:30] <zequence> tedx talk about what tech industry has learned from Torvalds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XTHdcmjenI
[15:52] <Cenbe> zequence: thanks, inspiring video
[15:58] <Baker> Hey, can anyone help me with this? My laptop only has one speaker, but Ubuntu wants to output sound in stereo. So when I listen to music, I only hear half of it. How can I disable stereo sound?
[16:00] <zequence> Baker: I don't think pulseaudio has a mono config
[16:00] <zequence> Baker: But, if you use the pulse to jack bridge, you can route both left and right PA outputs to only one of the channels on your card
[16:00] <Baker> Really? Damn, I was hoping there was a way to change it. I've been screwing around with the sound settings, and I haven't found anything.
[16:01] <zequence> Baker: Some audio players have mono
[16:01] <zequence> I think vlc can be run in mono
[16:01] <Baker> Does Audacious?
[16:01] <zequence> I don't Audacious very well, but have a look in its settings
[16:02] <Baker> I does not. Oh well, I'll solve this later. Thanks for the help!
[16:17] <rgomes> I'm begginner in ubantu studio. I use a M-audio fast track pro but I can't configure it to Jack. How can I do it?
[16:19] <zequence> rgomes: Have a check here..
[16:20] <zequence> !proaudio
[16:20] <zequence> rgomes: This, specifically https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/ProAudioIntro#UbuntuStudio.2BAC8-ProAudioIntro.2BAC8-1204.Starting_Jack
[16:20] <zequence> rgomes: If you have an error, post the error message here, and give us the link http://paste.ubuntu.com
[17:16] <rgomes> I still having problems with m-audio fast track pro. I can hear sounds on but I can't record. I also can't hear sound on youtube. I really liked Ubunto Studio, but maybe I'll return to previous platform if I could work on it.
[17:19] <holstein> rgomes: i wouldnt pose it as a threat.. i mean,if you want to bail, bail.. but if you are hearing sounds, then id say its a simple routing issue in JACK
[17:20] <holstein> rgomes: i usually just route all the inputs to a track in ardour and test that way.. then start manually disconnecting til i see what is what
[17:20] <holstein> you cant trust any of the labels in alsa or JACK
[17:22] <rgomes> I really don't want return to my previous platform for any reasons. My time is runnig and I need still working. I hope I can solve these problems.
[17:23] <rgomes> I opened jack configurantions and clicked fast track there. no results.
[17:23] <holstein> rgomes: are you using JACK?
[17:23] <holstein> !proaudio
[17:23] <rgomes> yes
[17:24] <holstein> rgomes: you are hearing audio through the fast track?
[17:24] <rgomes> yes. but just in ardour.
[17:25] <holstein> rgomes: you mean, just ardour playback works?
[17:25] <rgomes> yes. just ardour playback works.
[17:25] <holstein> rgomes: playback of what?
[17:26] <holstein> rgomes: open ardour, and create a track.. click on "connect" in qjackctl and route all the inputs of the sound device on the left to the new track on the right
[17:26] <rgomes> playback of some audio files I imported.
[17:26] <holstein> rgomes: tak a screenshot if you need help
[17:26] <holstein> take*
[17:28] <holstein> send something you *know* works though an input on the fast track..
[17:28] <holstein> a guitar into a guitar input
[17:28] <holstein> a mic in a mic input.. something that you know will send a signal properly
[17:28] <rgomes> I just did it. no results
[17:28] <holstein> rgomes: in what way?
[17:28] <holstein> rgomes: do you hear it in the unit? in the monitoring?
[17:29] <rgomes> there is signal on fast track. but no signal on ardour.
[17:29] <holstein> rgomes: take a screenshot of the connect window of jack
[17:29] <holstein> please
[17:29] <holstein> imagebin it
[17:30] <holstein> rgomes: you have the track armed in ardour?
[17:30] <rgomes> ok. just a minute.
[17:33] <rgomes> sorry. how can I take screenshot?
[17:33] <holstein> rgomes: do you have the track armed?
[17:33] <rgomes> yes
[17:33] <holstein> rgomes: you need to hit the "record" button on the track for it to show activity.. do you have it armed?
[17:34] <holstein> i take a screenshot with "printscreen"
[17:34] <rgomes> I push the record button and nothing happen
[17:35] <holstein> rgomes: there are *2* record buttons.. you hit the one on the channel to arm the track
[17:35] <holstein> rgomes: then, you should see the activity monitor moving
[17:36] <rgomes> I see it moving. but nothing is recorded.
[17:36] <holstein> rgomes: if its moving, then the signal is getting routed to ardour
[17:36] <rgomes> sorry I still trying take a screenshot.
[17:36] <holstein> rgomes: the fast track is working properly at that point, and being routed correctly
[17:36] <holstein> rgomes: stop with the screenshot please
[17:36] <rgomes> ok.
[17:36] <holstein> rgomes: hit the record button at the very top of ardour
[17:36] <nello> hi, where is hardware drivers?
[17:37] <holstein> *then* hit the play button to actually begin recording
[17:37] <holstein> nello: they are mostly in the kernel.. the linux kernel is "modular"
[17:37] <holstein> !ati
[17:37] <holstein> !broadcom
[17:37] <holstein> ^^ those are common modules that folks need that cannot be included in the ubuntu kernels
[17:37] <nello> yes broadcom not installed correctly
[17:38] <nello> thanks a lot
[17:38] <rgomes> i did it. It starts singn
[17:38] <holstein> nello: i just do it manually.. check that wiki page and let us know..
[17:38] <nello> my notebook is an old d531 latitude from dell
[17:41] <nello> i don't have "System > Administration > Hardware/Additional Drivers"
[17:41] <nello> in the menu...
[17:42] <rgomes> one more thing. The Jack on very top of my desktop, near the sounds configurations shows a message: "Jack is stopped".
[17:42] <holstein> nello: i just do it manually
[17:42] <holstein> rgomes: then, jack is stopped...
[17:42] <holstein> rgomes: there is an order.. i open qjackctl, and start JACK.. *then* i open other jack dependant applications
[17:43] <rgomes> yes and I trayed to unlock it.
[17:43] <holstein> rgomes: its not "locked".. its stopped
[17:43] <holstein> rgomes: it can be running in the background, and you can be stuck trying to start it
[17:43] <holstein> you can use ps aux to find the process and kill it, or kill it manually (or just restart)
[17:46] <rgomes> this is the message in jackctl
[17:46] <rgomes> 4:44:58.327 Logging started --- sáb abr 27 14:44:58 2013 ---
[17:46] <rgomes> 14:44:58.336 Patchbay deactivated.
[17:46] <rgomes> 14:44:58.337 Statistics reset.
[17:46] <rgomes> 14:44:58.351 ALSA connection change.
[17:46] <rgomes> 14:44:58.362 D-BUS: Service is available (org.jackaudio.service aka jackdbus).
[17:46] <rgomes> 14:44:58.412 JACK connection change.
[17:46] <rgomes> 14:44:58.427 Client activated.
[17:46] <rgomes> (qjackctl.real:5194): Gtk-CRITICAL **: IA__gtk_widget_get_direction: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed
[17:46] <rgomes> (qjackctl.real:5194): Gtk-CRITICAL **: IA__gtk_widget_get_direction: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed
[17:47] <holstein> !paste | rgomes
[17:47] <holstein> rgomes: if JACK is working, then its working
[17:48] <rgomes> yes. I am sorry. I have to know so much.
[17:49] <holstein> rgomes: i have to run... try #opensourcemusicians ...i know folks there have that device and ubuntu as well :)
[17:49] <holstein> rgomes: no worries.. you'll get it sorted
[17:49] <holstein> i dont think you have any support issues.. just a matter of learning the ropes, so to speak, and getting things configured
[17:49] <rgomes> thank you so much.
[17:49] <holstein> anyways, good luck.. i'll check back in later... cheers
[17:50] <holstein> *any hardware support issues is what i mean.. nothing that cant be "fixed" :)
[18:40] <sirriffsalot> Is there a way to have several versions of an application installed at the same time? In this case phasex?
[18:40] <sirriffsalot> My old presets don't work in the new release!
[18:49] <trgh65765432fdr>  /join ♯ardour
[18:50] <trgh65765432fdr> ups
[18:51] <trgh65765432fdr>  /join #ardour
[18:52] <SonikkuAmerica> You have a sharp key? Jealous!
[18:57] <zequence> sirriffsalot: You can build one and put it in /usr/local
[18:58] <zequence> sirriffsalot: /usr/local/bin is looked before /usr/bin, so when you want to run the /usr/bin version, you need to do specify the path
[18:59] <zequence> /usr/local is quite nice to use for custom builds
[19:04] <sirriffsalot> zequence: thanks! Would the easiest way be to just tick the "download packages only" and take off from there?
[19:15] <zequence> sirriffsalot: .deb packages are installers, and include binaries. You can't really use them. You'd have to build from source
[19:16] <zequence> sirriffsalot: But, you may be able to unpack the debian package, depending on how comlicated the application is, you might be able to run it from wherever
[19:16] <sirriffsalot> zequence: damn, ok
[19:16] <zequence> unpack it just like a tar or zip file
[19:16] <sirriffsalot> zequence: it really is a shame that the phasex presets don't work on later versions, why is this?
[19:17] <zequence> sirriffsalot: I don't know phasex, but I guess the newer version is not backwards compatible
[19:41] <anb25> Thinking of putting Ubuntu Studio 13.04 on my machine, but trying live CD, I see that it still has Ardour 2.8 - is Ardour 3 in the repositories?
[19:54] <sirriffsalot> anb25: yep
[19:54] <sirriffsalot> anb25: the kxstudio one
[19:55] <zequence> Ardour 3 was just released before the release of 13.04, so it wasn't included
[19:55] <sirriffsalot> anb25: in case you haven't tried the latest ardour stuff yet, I have still to find myself struggling to open a session.. the worst you can get are crashes, very minor
[19:55] <zequence> The kxstudio build is based on the package being prepared in Debian experimental
[19:57] <sirriffsalot> zequence: yeah+
[19:57] <sirriffsalot> ?*
[19:58] <anb25> Thanks for the info - I tried a beta of Ardour 3 on AVLinux, but just for a look see.
[19:59] <sirriffsalot> zequence: debian are working on an ardour 3 build??
[19:59] <sirriffsalot> zequence: what's taking them so long; kxstudio fellas did it almost immediately
[20:10] <len-1304> The best way is to download from the ardour site. That way you will have the best support.
[20:10] <len-1304> We include the latest we have in the repos and try to keep it up to date. But that is foremost for completeness.
[20:11] <len-1304> anb25, sirriffsalot ^^^
[20:12] <len-1304> The people at the ardour site and at #ardour tend to only support a version downloaded from their site
[20:13] <sirriffsalot> I know.. sad
[20:14] <len-1304> They only have so much time... and really, while I don't like the way they dis anything not their own build, I would prefer they send as much of their available time coding new stuff anyway.
[20:21] <zequence> sirriffsalot: The package is ready in Debian, but if you haven't heard of release schedules, you probably don't realize why packages aren't released instantly from them being packaged
[20:21] <zequence> sirriffsalot: Also, there's some effort that goes into packaging, and the reason why kx had it so quickly was because the work was already done in Debian
[20:22] <zequence> This is true to most kx packages
[20:22] <sirriffsalot> zequence: Aha
[20:22] <zequence> They are not original packages done in KX
[20:23] <zequence> falktx may have tweaked some of them, adding VST support or whatever
[20:23] <zequence> He stands on someone elses shoulders though
[20:23] <zequence> Debian first, and then Ubuntu
[20:24] <sirriffsalot> zequence: But.. if Debian did it first.. where is the debian package? o.O I looked for it a lot
[20:25] <zequence> sirriffsalot: It's in a git repo
[20:25] <zequence> http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-multimedia/ardour3.git;a=summary
[20:26] <sirriffsalot> I'll be damned
[20:26] <zequence> Debian is just moments away from releasing Wheezy, which is Debian 7. Their testing repo is frozen many months back
[20:27] <zequence> Once Wheezy is released (5th of may, probably), Ardour will soon end up, first in experimental, then sometime in testing
[20:29] <zequence> The guys who do pretty much all the pro audio packaging in the Debian based world of distributions, Debian, Ubuntu, Mint, KX, etc, are the Debian Multimedia Team
[20:29] <zequence> So, if you want to thank someone for having lots of audio software on these distros, you should thank them first
[20:29] <sirriffsalot> I don't want to thank anyone for just that hehe, I thank the whole community
[20:30] <sirriffsalot> By the way, I tried installing fluxbox as enlightenment was giving me some trouble with a realtime kernel, but when logging in it just stays on a white-ish screen with the mouse moving around.. any ideas?
[20:30] <sirriffsalot> with the mouse visible and* capable of being moved around
[20:31] <zequence> I've never really used fluxbox myself
[20:31] <sirriffsalot> How come?
[20:31] <zequence> How come you've never been to the moon? I don't know
[20:31] <sirriffsalot> Cause I can't, hahaha
[20:31] <sirriffsalot> And furthermore, heights make me uncomfortable
[20:32] <zequence> Well, I feel quite comfortable with Gnome3, and awesome
[20:32] <sirriffsalot> And g-forces at that level make me nauseous
[20:32] <sirriffsalot> Ah yea, I remember you mentioning that.. but really
[20:32] <sirriffsalot> Gnome has a lot of silly stuff running in the background o.O
[20:33] <zequence> One of the things that UBuntu Studio will be doing for 13.10 is looking at using multiple DEs. We might be adding support for KDE, Unity and Gnome3
[20:33] <zequence> Maybe even LXDE
[20:33] <sirriffsalot> zequence: FANTASTIC :)
[20:33] <len-1304> sirriffsalot, so does xfce
[20:33] <sirriffsalot> len-1304: yeah, hence I use neither, hehe
[20:34] <sirriffsalot> Would trying the 13 beta on a production computer be with it?
[20:35] <len-1304> sirriffsalot, we are trying to balance desktop usability from what people are used to with trimness.
[20:36] <len-1304> I might like a really trim DE, but then the terminal gets used more. Some people never use a terminal.
[20:36] <sirriffsalot> Enlightenment really is great..
[20:36] <sirriffsalot> I've had little to no problems with it
[20:37] <sirriffsalot> Highly configurable, for keybinds of all kinds for fast application startups etc
[20:37] <sirriffsalot> 12 years of work must mean something
[20:37] <len-1304> We also benefit from having people on both studio and xubuntu teams.
[20:37] <len-1304> I am sure it does.
[20:38] <sirriffsalot> Practice-->
[20:38] <len-1304> Having xubuntu taking care of things that break in the DE frees us from doing that though.
[20:38] <len-1304> Ok
[21:57] <aenertia> Hi all, I think I have found a major bug with 13.04, have confirmed it on two seperate platforms. Basically hdmi audio out does not work. I have tried the usual aliasing of the device etc, but no sound. And Pulse refuses to see the card, or even load when manually having the alsa-sink device= option added
[21:58] <aenertia> aplay shows the devices (nvidia and ati cards repspectively on the two systems I tried) but any output to them results in no sound ( yes I have checked they are unmuted)
[21:58] <aenertia> can others confirm they have working hdmi out sound?
[22:00] <aenertia> The receiver is a Yamaha, and works fine when booting from 12.10 or other OS's.
[22:01] <aenertia> I thought it may have been an issue with the way jack/pa are setup in ubuntu studio but as I said no sound even on the raw alsa device with everything else killed
[22:07] <zequence> aenertia: Seems like I can confirm that
[22:08] <aenertia> zequence: damn
[22:09] <aenertia> zequence: I wonder if it is related to the rt kernel?
[22:09] <zequence> aenertia: no
[22:09] <aenertia> are the alsa version the same used in the 13.04 generic kernel or patched?
[22:09] <zequence> aenertia: And it's not a -rt kernel, it's -lowlatency
[22:09] <aenertia> sorry
[22:09] <aenertia> lowlatency
[22:09] <zequence> The -lowlatency kernel is a copy of generic, with almost no difference to the code
[22:10] <aenertia> I haven't check to see if bog standard ubuntu13.04 works. I assume it will given that it would be a huge bug if it doesn't
[22:11] <aenertia> what about alsa?
[22:11] <zequence> aenertia: It's either alsa or pulseaudio
[22:11] <zequence> I'm looking at it right now
[22:12] <aenertia> Yeah I might pull the alsa sources from git and compile see what happens.
[22:12] <aenertia> I generally don't use pulse myself.
[22:12] <zequence> pulse sees my card though
[22:12] <aenertia> Whilst on the topic, have you ever been able to get jack to use an hdmi source?
[22:13] <zequence> hdmi only has playback, so you need to specify that
[22:13] <aenertia> I tried adding a bunch of software mixers and pcm device aliases to mine in the hope of using it as a monitor with no luck
[22:13] <zequence> I don't remember, if I've got it to work before. Not right now anyway
[22:14] <aenertia> ok will have a look
[22:14] <aenertia> jack is still very much something i've used only for midi input routing
[22:16] <rgomes> hi, zequence! its me again. we chat today earlier. I still tryaing to make my m-audio works in ardour.
[22:17] <zequence> rgomes: If you're able to start jack with it, then it's just a matter of connections and levels
[22:18] <zequence> Making sure, for instance, that if you have a knob for "monitor/output", that it's not turned the wrong way, etc
[22:19] <rgomes> I am not sure. fast track is working for playback, but not for record.
[22:19] <zequence> rgomes: If playback works with jack, then it works
[22:19] <zequence> rgomes: Could you paste the log from jack, after you started it. Paste it here http://paste.ubuntu.com, and give me the link
[22:20] <rgomes> one more thing. on sound conficurations, m-audio shows a padlock
[22:21] <zequence> rgomes: sound configurations? Please make a difference between jack and pulseaudio.
[22:21] <zequence> rgomes: Did you read through it all?
[22:21] <zequence> !proaudio
[22:23] <zequence> rgomes: Are you using jack with ardour?
[22:24] <rgomes> yes. with ardour
[22:27] <zequence> rgomes: Yes, but you are using jack, correct?
[22:27] <zequence> qjackctl?
[22:28] <rgomes> well. I don't know about it. probably not. I opened jack audio connection kit and it seems works.
[22:28] <zequence> aenertia: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/1170820
[22:29] <zequence> rgomes: That's qjackctl
[22:29] <zequence> rgomes: I asked you for the log after you start jack, but let me give you another one first
[22:29] <zequence> rgomes: Do this in the commandline: cat ~/.jackdrc
[22:30] <zequence> paste the results here http://paste.ubuntu.com
[22:30] <rgomes> ok.
[22:31] <zequence> aenertia: Seems like devs are on it
[22:31] <rgomes> sorry. I am completely blind on it. where is comand line?
[22:33] <aenertia> eck
[22:33] <aenertia> so not just a studio bug
[22:33] <zequence> aenertia: Ubuntu Studio has nothing custom about either the kernel or the audio system
[22:34] <zequence> aenertia: There is a very slight chance that you may get problems on -lowlatency that you wouldn't on -generic, but nothing related to audio
[22:34] <aenertia> ok thanks zequence
[22:34] <zequence> -lowlatency is just a reconfigured -generic, improved for lower latency
[22:41] <zequence> rgomes: Oh, sorry. I missed your last comment
[22:41] <zequence> rgomes: A terminal. Program where you can make console commands
[22:42] <zequence> rgomes: In Ubuntu Studio, in the menu "Terminal Emulator"
[22:42] <zequence> I could ask you to do the same thing using file managers, and text editors, etc, but it would just take me much longer to explain
[22:42] <zequence> Believe it or not, using the terminal is much faster, if you just know the right commands
[22:43] <zequence> For troubleshooting Linux stuff on IRC, you will use it a lot
[22:43] <rgomes> ok.
[22:43] <zequence> So, the command you put in is: cat ~/.jackdrc
[22:43] <zequence> "cat" is a program that can read a file, and output its contents
[22:44] <zequence> "~/" is the adress for home of the logged in user
[22:44] <zequence> ".jackdrc" is the configuration file for jackd
[22:44] <zequence> You can find it in your home folder, if you enable the file manager to show hidden files, i.e. files beginning with a dot
[22:45] <zequence> All though, qjackctl is set to start jackdbus by default, when you make settings, and save them, it will save them also in the jackd config file
[22:45] <zequence> So, I want to see what kind of settings you have done
[22:46] <zequence> rgomes: Actually, it's just one line, so you can just paste it right here if you want
[22:46] <rgomes> well, my ubuntu is in portuguese. the message translated is  "bash: jack~/.rdc: fale or directory not found
[22:46] <zequence> rgomes: You didn't write it correctly
[22:46] <zequence> rgomes: cat ~/.jackdrc
[22:48] <rgomes> sorry. i wrote correctly there and rewrote. same message.
[22:48] <zequence> jack~/.rdc is not a file
[22:49] <zequence> rgomes: Ok, you know what. I don't think you have started jack with the right device even
[22:49] <zequence> rgomes: do this in the terminal: cat /proc/asound/cards
[22:49] <zequence> paste it to http://paste.ubuntu.com
[22:49] <zequence> rgomes: Don't write the command. Copy it, and paste it into the terminal
[22:50] <zequence> You can paste with Shift+Ctrl+V
[22:51] <zequence> rgomes: I'm not trying to be rude now, but just asking, do you have dyslexi or something?
[22:52] <rgomes> ok. done.
[22:52] <zequence> rgomes: You'll need to give me the link
[22:52] <rgomes> no. I am just confuse and very very busy
[22:54] <zequence> rgomes: So, did you paste to http://paste.ubuntu.com? I can't see it if you don't give me the link
[22:55] <zequence> It's been 40 minutes, and I've still seen zero information about your system
[22:55] <rgomes> I paste that on ubuntu. but I cant give you the link, couse I trying to creat a count.
[22:55] <zequence> Ok, I need to go to sleep now. But, maybe someone else can help you
[22:55] <zequence> rgomes: I do suggest you read about jack though
[22:56] <zequence> rgomes: Read carefully on how to start jack https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/ProAudioIntro#UbuntuStudio.2BAC8-ProAudioIntro.2BAC8-1204.Jack_-_The_Pro_Audio_Sound_System
[22:57] <rgomes> ok. I'm stopping for today. I am tired and I will drive you crazy in few minutes. Sorry.
[22:58] <rgomes> actually, I read it. I followed all instructions but....
[22:59] <holstein> rgomes: you dont need an account to paste to ubuntu paste
[22:59] <zequence> rgomes: It's too bad that using audio on Linux is so technical. It takes a bit of time. I recommend to learn about the details
[22:59] <holstein> !paste
[22:59] <holstein> using jack can be.. but you might not need jack
[23:00] <zequence> The problem is, as soon as you want to produce music, you do need jack
[23:00] <holstein> i remember just playing around with auacity for a long time in windows before moving on to cubase.. then to linux/JACK
[23:00] <zequence> You don't buy a fast track pro, and not use jack
[23:00] <zequence> There's no getting around it. jack is what you use for pro audio
[23:00] <holstein> i would also just play around with the internal card for a bit with JACK
[23:00] <zequence> so, you have to learn how to use it
[23:01] <rgomes> I paste on ubuntu. how can I send you?
[23:02] <holstein> rgomes: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5610367/
[23:05] <rgomes> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5610372/
[23:05] <rgomes> thanks, holstein.
[23:08] <holstein> if it were me, i would unplug the keyrig, and disable the internal sound card.. that should leave you with just the one device
[23:08] <holstein> rgomes: ^
[23:09] <rgomes> ok. I will try it.
[23:09] <holstein> i would try an reduce the variables.. you have lots of unknowns right now.. get rid of as many as possible and take one battle at a time
[23:13] <rgomes> your are right. my problem is I have many works to do and really dont want to return to previous platform no more. Well, I have to take a time to learn how to work on this platform I choose and want to use forever.
[23:14] <rgomes> thank you very much holstein. thank you zequence.
[23:14] <holstein> rgomes: sure... you'll get it :)