[09:09] <knome> Inoki, did you read the mailing list lately?
[09:09] <Inoki> knome: Nope, was busy with other things, why?
[09:09] <knome> we got the articles back from the editor, and we need 800 chars more for your article
[09:10] <knome> if you have time and ideas to extend it before monday, that would be cool
[09:10] <knome> if not, i will extend it
[09:11] <Inoki> 800 more. Wasn't aware it should be that long.
[09:11] <Inoki> Thing is, what's written there is basically my story, how it was.
[09:11] <Inoki> How I came to use Xubuntu (Xfce in general).
[09:11] <knome> yeah, i was wondering to write about desktop enviroments generally or so
[09:12] <knome> it doesn't need to be a part of the story
[09:12] <knome> otoh, 800 chars isn't too much, so if you don't know what to wirte, i can take care of that
[09:13] <Inoki> I suppose the only thing to add would be details of "why Xubuntu", like navigating through the desktop, its functions.
[09:13] <knome> we have an article about that though
[09:13] <Inoki> Yea, thought about that.
[09:13] <Inoki> Feel free to modify it then. Add a few extra lines.
[09:13] <knome> sure, thanks :)
[09:13] <knome> and thanks for writing the article
[09:13] <Inoki> np np :)
[09:14] <knome> we will be in touch with all of you later as well about the small compensation...
[09:14] <knome> we will need to sort how to organize that out with the editor first
[09:14] <Inoki> As for me, using Xubuntu is enough of a compensation. I didn't do it to get something in return. :)
[09:15] <knome> well, if you don't want it in money, you can always order a xubuntu t-shirt from a new vendor to test it
[09:16] <knome> (we've been doing that for a few cycles to find a vendor with doable shipping prices around the world as well as good quality)
[09:17] <Inoki> That sounds nice, a shirt with the Xfce mouse on it :D
[09:19] <Inoki> Either way, was glad to help if that little contribution helped.
[09:19] <knome> definitely
[09:20] <Noskcaj> compensation? dibs!
[09:27] <Inoki> Ok so if nobody else wanted something, I'm gonna go now. knome you'll find me here if needed: http://tinyw.in/7y99
[09:27] <knome> Inoki, ok, cheers
[09:37] <knome> daim2k5, umm, please don't use awaynicks
[09:37] <daim2k5> knome: sorry
[09:37] <knome> np
[09:37] <knome> bbl
[13:32] <elfy> trying to run ubuntu-bug against xfce4-settings-manager in ss and it tells me there's no such package - is that just because ss is not really up yet ?
[13:36] <smartboyhw> elfy, that's xfce4-settings I think https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-settings
[13:38] <elfy> possibly - except the bug is in xfce4-settings-manager 
[13:39] <smartboyhw> elfy, according to the descriptions: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5608412/
[13:40] <elfy> meh
[16:01] <GridCube> there should be a way to graphically edit fstab 
[16:02] <GridCube> and by default in the system
[16:03] <elfy> possibly
[16:04] <elfy> though I'd be worried about using it ... elfy remembers other gui things attempting to help with fstab 
[16:04] <drc> Are you sure you want a easy-to-use-by-everyone tool to mess with fstab?
[16:04] <GridCube> its really anoying that partition end up in the desktop
[16:05] <elfy> what?
[16:06] <GridCube> if you dont edit fstab to automount partition to a mount point, they end up in the desktop, i like that for removable devices, but for internal drives?
[16:06] <elfy> oic
[16:07] <Unit193> Was more annoying when they put floppy drive there, blacklisted the module so it'd go away.
[16:08] <GridCube> a tool that goes like "oh! it seems like you have this /dev/drive, and its internal (no usb), do you want to permanently mount it? (ask where to mount and edits fstab)"
[16:08] <elfy> there used to be one 
[16:08] <elfy> it often got it wrong from memory
[16:41] <elfy> what's with the sudden interest in hud 
[16:42] <GridCube> i want it XD
[16:42] <elfy> install ubuntu ... 
[16:42] <elfy> :P
[16:42] <GridCube> lol
[16:42] <GridCube> no
[16:42] <GridCube> thats not good
[16:42] <GridCube> i dont see why the reluctance tho
[16:42] <elfy> from me? 
[16:42] <GridCube> even from me, that i dont like changes, i find HUD to be awesome
[16:42] <GridCube> no, generally speaking
[16:43] <GridCube> many people told me that. "install ubuntu"
[16:43] <GridCube> and my answer its... why? why should i want unity if what its good its HUD?
[16:43] <elfy> and is hud anygood without ?
[16:43] <GridCube> it can be
[16:44] <elfy> what use is it - replaces one way of accessing options with another 
[16:44] <elfy> and then forces people to change the way they do things with a key already ;)
[16:45] <elfy> so - everyone else has to learn a new thing to accomodate something they didn't really want :)
[16:45] <GridCube> it gives you more ways to control your computer, it saves time, it helps users with accesibility issues, its fancier, its would help to create a more consistent image between the ubuntu family
[16:45]  * elfy has beer in one hand - devil's advocate hat in other and types with his nose ... 
[16:46] <GridCube> what i think would be important its that if hud its choosen for xubuntu there should be an option in setting to disable it for those reluctants to use it
[16:46] <GridCube> but i think that it wont be the mayor case
[16:47] <GridCube> also xubuntu hasnt introduced nothing new in ages
[16:47] <GridCube> its stable, yes, but thats it
[16:48] <elfy> can't see any need for it tbh - but then I installed xubuntu (which turned out to be a good thing) to get away from things designed for everyone to use by people that sit in an office with nothing better to do than design things and hope it works out 
[16:49] <elfy> I don't see what it gains us 
[16:49] <Unit193> Indeed, as long as it doesn't bring in heavy depends I'm not to worried, shouldn't be hard to purge from my system(s).  It gains something "New" and "Oh look!  Shiny!" :----D
[16:50] <Unit193> I'd think that people using Xfce would be more for the classic desktop, but maybe not.
[16:50]  * elfy hopes GridCube noticed that I had on my devil's advocate hat 
[16:50]  * GridCube notes 
[16:50] <GridCube> P: im libraring
[16:50] <elfy> I'm chilling out 
[16:52] <GridCube> elfy, what i think it gains us its innovation, using the resources that canonical/mainbuntu are already expending, provide us with a modern way to access a system, provides easier ways to access options, find obfuscated options faster
[16:52] <GridCube> it would make us different from any other xfce based distribution
[16:53] <elfy> which gains us what? 
[16:53] <GridCube> users
[16:53] <elfy> a bunch of trolling
[16:53] <GridCube> theres no such thing as bad publicity
[16:53] <elfy> a bunch of 'oh .... now where do we go' 
[16:53] <elfy> I agree :)
[16:53] <GridCube> not if there is a "enable []" box
[16:53] <GridCube> something that unity doesnt provide
[16:54] <GridCube> we should ofcourse
[16:54] <elfy> that would be an absolute positive over the 'ubuntu' way 
[16:54] <GridCube> indeed
[16:54] <Unit193> That could always leave us with a bait and switch type of thing like the indicators had, though.
[16:55] <elfy> the biggest issue is whether there are the people willing and able to do it 
[16:57] <GridCube> oh sure, thats its the biggest problem :(
[16:57] <GridCube> im sad i cant do it myself
[16:57] <GridCube> if noone can take it then it will just die
[16:58] <GridCube> but i really think its a silly thing that would make us more brilliant in the xfce based distros
[16:58] <GridCube> something that no other can provide
[16:59] <elfy> well ... time tells I guess 
[16:59] <GridCube> :/ yep
[16:59] <GridCube> i will still bother till someone tells me "dude, no"
[16:59] <GridCube> and that would be it
[17:00] <elfy> I wish I could do stuff - there's a really simple bug with settings manager and I'm sure it's really simple to fix but I have no idea or I'd crack on with it :(
[17:10] <lderan> which bug is that?
[17:11] <elfy> description :)
[17:11] <elfy> open settings manager - check the description - customise your desktop - not anymore, it's a whole lot more than that 
[17:11] <elfy> simple thing 
[17:13] <lderan> ah yeah
[17:14] <lderan> i need to find an easy bug to fix so i can get used to things
[17:15] <elfy> lderan: let me report it against smug smaug then and go for it :)
[17:15] <elfy> I'm sure I could find some other little issues 
[17:20] <lderan> cool
[17:22] <elfy> will be tomorrow at the earliest though - not sure what the description should be now 
[17:23] <elfy> something to decide in here I suspect :)
[17:24] <lderan> aye :)
[22:27] <lderan> knome, is there anything i can do to help at the moment or shall i see if i can fix any bugs?