[00:22] anyone having issues with archive manager crashing in 13.04? === xubuntu is now known as Guest37968 [00:25] hi guys i'm trying the live session xubuntu.. did you had any problems installing xubuntu alongside win8? [00:27] I'm trying to configure compiz with ccsm but the settings won't survive a re-login. What needs to be done to keep xubuntu from re-dooing my settingsz/ [00:29] I want cube and rotate cube for one thing but wall and expo keep coming back. [00:41] I'm trying to configure compiz with ccsm but the settings won't survive a re-login. What needs to be done to keep xubuntu from ripping out my settings ? [00:48] I didn't know compiz could be used with Xubuntu [00:48] ...not that it was ever really on my wish list. [00:50] Is it just for whirling the desktop around? [00:50] I guess Linus liked his wobbly windows and I like the whirling cube..... [00:51] ball, the 4 cube sides each represent a desktop [00:51] ball, if you don't like one side you can pick another. [00:52] So it's just a resource-intensive way to do virtual desktops? [00:53] ball, it's mostly a way to impress Vista users and their fanning windows or whatever they had [00:53] a cube with 4 sides? does not compute [00:54] My life would be insanely sad if I were worried about impressing Windows Vista users. [00:54] kRush, the top and bottom have a picture or a transparency [00:55] why not another virtual desktop? [00:56] flower pots, that's what it needs. [00:56] kRush, why not! hy not use Unity, Fedora, or Windows 8? [00:56] hy/why [00:57] * ball tinkers with LibreOffice [00:58] brb [01:02] because two of the three are pretty retarded =o [01:14] Does Xubuntu come with something that can decode base64 attachments from the command line? [01:14] (a modern equivalent of uudecode)? [01:15] Ah man base64 contained a clue ;-) [01:16] It works! [01:24] ball: maybe you already know about man -k and apropos [01:24] man -k woman .. for example [01:25] No idea what -k does, but I use "man foo" etc. [01:26] ball: man looks for help for a command named exactly , with -k it search for keywords [01:26] ball: including parts of words (fortunately and sometimes unfortunately) [01:27] is there anyway to reset the sound indicator in the panel? mines locked up and i can control volume from it [01:32] Hello all. How do I update? I am not seeing anything in Software Updater [01:34] UserAttack: do "sudo do-release-upgrade" in terminal [01:34] Thanks :) [01:34] mhm [01:35] has anyone setup xubuntu 13.04 with touch screen.. such as how ubuntu works? [01:36] multitouch, gestures.. etc [01:40] I don't need to know how to do it.. just if it's doable.. [01:42] Oh, is that why Unity is a bit odd? Is it meant for touch screens? [01:42] MrHotsauce, check your sound devices, maybe one output or input device got switched to the wrong one. [01:43] MrHotsauce, click on the sound icon and then settings [01:43] I guess.. but I'm not a unity fan.. I'd rather give xubuntu a spin. but would like to know if it's a pain to setup gestures.. etc [01:43] its not that its literally frozen spotify still says its playing a song when ive closed it a while ago [01:44] MrHotsauce, kill the process? [01:45] i killed spotify unless you mean kill the panel [01:45] I've never tries Xubuntu on a touch screen. I think one of the reasons I like Xfce is that it's a more conventional desktop, suitable for office use. [01:46] I'd agree with that.. I've always used opensuse and kde.. but thought I'd give xubuntu a try on the yoga 13 [01:46] MrHotsauce, reboot? [01:47] that works but id like to know if i can fix it without doing that [01:47] its happened once before [01:47] MrHotsauce, donno... sorry [01:50] MrHotsauce, sound dosen't get any better in Linux, just more complicated. [01:51] well ive been on 13.04 for a month using daily builds but as soon as it released the other day i got the sound panel error [01:51] MrHotsauce, when you have a 15 or 20 digit name for a sound device, What can you expect? [01:54] MrHotsauce, like pci-0000:1:00.1 what the hell do we need that for? [02:03] also anyone have any idea why this is happening? http://pastebin.com/XJCFhnMM [02:03] MrHotsauce: what is happening? [02:04] saying update is available yet im already updated [02:04] MrHotsauce, I have a bad habit of hitting the scroll wheel when I have the mouse in focus in a config window and sometimes I select the next device or config option of some kind without knowing it. I keep learning not to nervously scroll the wheel but alas I still do it sometimes. [02:04] MrHotsauce: are you fully upgraed? [02:04] pretty sure i am [02:04] i cant do another update [02:04] MrHotsauce: sudo apt-get update .. see if you have any errors.. then, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ..if you want [02:05] w30 its not a device issue ive only one sound device [02:05] holstein: nothing 0 updates [02:06] ****@*******~$ sudo do-release-upgrade Checking for a new Ubuntu release No new release found <--and thats when i try to do the release upgrade [02:11] holstein, how do I get ccsm to write a config and make it stick. I loose it because xubuntu throws it away and puts its own back in or a relogin. [02:12] MrHotsauce: i wouldnt worry about it unless there is an isssue [02:13] holstein, I want cube and rotate cube not expo and wall [02:13] no issue just irks me why it says i need to update is all [02:13] w30: not sure.. i didnt have the trouble back in 12.04, and i personally gave up on compiz [02:17] holstein, I am going to follow suit I suppose, I fight it every upgrade and it gets worse. My Grandpa wouldn't give up his horses for a Ford Tractor either so it's in my genes. [02:20] w30: its over.. cubes and fire.. however, 12.04 is supported for quite some time.. [02:24] holstein, I suppose its hard to get someone to maintain a project when you have a possible user base of two or $1.98 worth of sales. [02:29] w30: compiz is just going a different direction.. === dasein is now known as Guest22816 [03:27] hey, i have updated from 12.10 to 13.04. Now my system hangs before the login screen. I can't break out to a command prompt and pressing escape at sstartup i don't get a bootmenu [03:27] hello. I broke my grub [03:29] mrdolt: am I correct in thinking this means the issue is after grub? Meaning, your grub is working OK and tries to load xubuntu, at which point it freezes? [03:30] i cant start up at all [03:30] cannot even live boot to fix with boot fixer [03:30] also tried commands in grub rescue> [03:30] i get the xubuntu splash screen and a spining thing but then it stops [03:30] if i press escape i can watch things load but then it conks out [03:31] sorry didnt realize you were talking to mrdolt [03:31] unowindows8: if you boot from the 13.04 live USB, it doesn't even load? [03:31] unowindows8, reinstall grub [03:31] anyone know what update-notifier-common does? I noticed it seems to hang the system during install of xubuntu for a while and but it's not touching disk, CPU or network. [03:31] ruien, thanks. live usb menu comes up completely distorted is unusable. i try running xubuntu by pressing enter, video is completely distorted [03:31] mrdolt: try loading with ACPI=off, i once had a similar problem, just to see if that works [03:32] ruien: can install grub without live booting? [03:32] unowindows8: wow. how did you create the live USB? Have you tried using unetbootin? [03:32] ruien: I did use it. I tested it on another machine, my Toshiba laptop, it opened fine [03:32] no, i would recommend making sure you can boot from the live USB, and then once that is working, use that to reinstall grub. That's how I would do it [03:33] ok, but the worse problem is grub doesn't respond to my attempt to bring up the menu. it just goes to the boot [03:34] mrdolt: you hould be able to get to it from a live CD and edit [03:34] mrdolt: yeah, you can make that change within your grub conf, so i would say boot to a live USB first, then re-install grub with the acpi off set [03:34] awesome, thx! [03:34] mrdolt: hold on a sec, i have more info [03:34] ok [03:36] unowindows8, 2 suggestions: md5sum your ISO and check disk disk integrity of your USB. [03:36] got it [03:36] I've seen that around [03:37] mrdolt: okay, i believe the right way to do this is in /etc/default/grub set GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="acpi=off quiet splash" [03:37] but could my usb still not have full integrity even if it loads well on a different laptop? [03:37] unowindows8: yes, it could happen, since different machines load different drivers, so one machine might be not hitting the corrupted file at all [03:38] unowindows8, this is why you CHECK integrity of both the ISO and the usb ... [03:38] unowindows8, 60 seconds of work to eliminate any doubt [03:39] the iso that went into the USB cant be accessed because I had downloaded to same Windows 8 machine with grub problem [03:39] but I will check the USB stick on my 2nd machine [03:39] that should work [03:40] ruien: thanks [03:40] I'll be back later [03:40] k [03:44] hi guys, I just installed lubuntu 13.04 but my old firefox profil keep make me crash, any idea ? [03:56] lighta: your old FF .mozilla config? [04:00] Hi,I'm trying to dist upgrade from xubuntu 12.10 to 13.04, the problem is I clicked on the upgrade button in the Software Updater and clicked through to the screen where it says it will download x packages, it's 900mb it will take 20min and so on. At this stage I had to move my laptop so I clicked the cancel button instead of starting the download. But the problem now is that the Software Updates says I'm up to date so I can not cont [04:00] tried google but did not find anything [04:00] pleks: i would just try to do it from the command line [04:01] I have [04:01] pleks: and? [04:01] pleks: have you tried "sudo do-release-upgrade" in command line? [04:01] using do-release-upgrade -d [04:01] hm [04:01] it says im up to date [04:02] i think you can use a bootable usb of the 13.04 image and upgrade that way [04:02] so it must be marked somewhere I guess that I have already upgraded even though I have not [04:02] there's a 13.04? [04:02] pleks: sounds like you are upgraded [04:02] ok, I can try that [04:02] BLAH [04:02] I am not upgraded, I aborted before downloading [04:03] what does lsb_release -a in command line turn up? [04:03] is says 12.10 [04:03] hrm [04:03] and "No LSB modules are available." [04:04] very strange [04:04] ive a computer that says im running 13.04 and that i need to update to 13.04 [04:04] sudo do-release-upgrade -d says what pleks ? [04:05] it says "No new release found" [04:06] pleks: sudo apt-get upda returns no errors? [04:07] no errors [04:08] pleks: i would try other package managers [04:09] i would also fresh install pretty quick, since that takes the least amount of time [04:09] pleks: http://administratosphere.wordpress.com/2011/11/02/rescuing-an-interrupted-ubuntu-upgrade/ might help [04:11] hold on, after doing "sudo apt-get update" it now detects the new dist version :D [04:11] awesome! [04:12] thanks guys! [04:18] xfce4-xfapplet-plugin, where is that now? [05:15] hi [05:15] hi [05:15] Goodbye. I was going to chat, but my installation is finished. [05:16] as Jar Jar Binks would say, "How wude!" [05:29] anyone know what update-notifier-common does? I noticed it seems to hang the system during install of xubuntu for a while and but it's not touching disk, CPU or network. [05:48] Dayofswords: i can't tell you much, but here's `apt-cache search`'s description: """update-notifier-common - Files shared between update-notifier and other packages""", maybe install without updates and update after install? === xubuntu458 is now known as unowin8 [06:22] hi i totally broke my system [06:23] how so? [06:24] after much trying to fix [06:24] i think its not only my grubs but also the video drivers for ubuntu on my win 8 machine [06:24] so I cant live boot at all [06:25] i did try checking the iso i even downloaded lubuntu after xubuntu [06:25] and it runs fine on this vista machine [06:25] both xubuntu when i had it and lubuntu now [06:25] windows 8 machine i think it might have something to do with UEFI bios [06:25] mm [06:26] well I'll try anything [06:26] you mean i should access the bios menu? [06:27] um i honestly dont know much about the whole uefi bios myself but if you wait in here someone might know more about it [06:27] hello2all! [06:27] unowin8: yeah, it could be related to UEFI, that's a big problem and i've heard there are solutions, but i have avoided newer systems myself in order to avoid that problem, sorry i don't know anything about it [06:27] ubuntu was running fine [06:28] but then i installed xubuntu on top of it from within ubuntu [06:28] after upgrading to 13.04 video thumbs disappeared [06:28] and then it died? [06:28] then tried replacing with just xubuntu and ended up messing up the settings [06:28] what is the matter [06:28] ? [06:28] ruien: I spoke to you earlier today [06:29] unowin8: yeah, i wonder if the real ubuntu has some way to handle UEFI, which the other ubuntu derivatives don't have. [06:29] ruien: that's one issue, the graphics issue. I still have the grub issue first. [06:29] ruien, pretty sure all such installation measures are universal to all *buntus [06:30] ruien: startup throws me to grub rescue> [06:30] and you cant boot from a live usb? [06:30] unowin8: that doesn't sound that bad, maybe grub is just misconfigured? [06:31] if you can boot into a live usb maybe reinstall grum from there? [06:31] ruien: I think it is. I saw online a way to configure it through its own command line but I couldn't get that to work [06:31] ive never really had grub issues because i try not to dual boot [06:31] it involves setting up the right partition to start up [06:32] alex_alex: video thumbs? you mean just thumbnails in your file manager? [06:32] yes [06:32] pictures thums are ok [06:32] I get: error: no such partition, when I power the laptop [06:32] byt video gone [06:33] i tried to install tumber-plugins-extra and ffmpeghumbler but with no result [06:34] hm have you tried rebooting by chance? [06:34] * unowin8 slaps himself with a large trout [06:35] yes, sure [06:36] my video thumbs still work so maybe thumber just died on you? [06:37] unowin8: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI maybe? [06:37] so, how i can check it? just try to reinstall? [06:38] maybe ive never really had an issue with it myself [06:38] mrhotsauce: thanks [06:39] not sure if that helps at all [06:40] is any automatic way to reinable all ppas blocked while upgrading? [06:40] or only be hand? [06:40] by hand i mean [06:40] just go to software sorces [06:40] cources* [06:41] SOURCES*!!! [06:41] you should be able to re-enable them there [06:41] torrets of the keyboard? [06:43] no, when i try to re-enable them there - nothing happens, i cant make a checkbox active [06:44] so do it via the command line [06:44] so, i've opened list in leafpad and just deleted #, but that is not tje best solution i think [06:44] as ia have a lot of sources [06:44] thats risky [06:45] lots of PPA, have good backups [06:45] :) [06:46] once they are re-enabled, don't forget to update your sources.list [06:47] ok. so, that is a bug in the sources manager or only i experienced such difficulties? [06:49] did software sources ask for a password [06:49] yes [06:50] and once that was done, you hit refresh, or from the terminal: sudo apt-get update [06:50] but after that still unable to select a check box [06:51] on disabled ppa [06:51] do all the PPA have raring sources [06:51] yes [06:51] and you found them via the command line where, exactly [06:52] on the launchpad [06:52] you are using the gui and the cli to edit software sources [06:52] when you should only use one or the other [06:53] mmm? [06:53] "I opened them using leafpad...blah blah" [06:53] but you also talk about "check boxes" [06:54] ergo: gui AND cli [06:54] yes, to re-enable them (to delete #), as it was impossible through gui [06:54] so pastebin and let us take a look, if you care to [06:55] my sources list, yes? [06:55] sources.list.d ? [06:55] ok, just a second [06:58] i have many files there, how i can pastebin them all? [06:59] how many is many [06:59] 53 [06:59] jhc [07:04] how about: for file in *; do echo -e "-------\n$file\n\n" && cat $file; done [07:06] thats really works! [07:07] yeah then scroll up, select all of it, copy and paste the whole thing to pastebin :) [07:07] http://pastebin.com/VakB3XZk [07:10] alex: on some of these you still have quantal [07:14] yes, but it seems to be just in sources list names [07:14] only [07:14] deb strings are raring [07:15] so, as i got confused with it, i ask about the right way to re-enable ppas after upgrading [07:15] as i was unable to re-enable them using gui (cant set a checkbox on ppa) [07:17] running the addppa would be the correct way [07:17] !addppa [07:17] Since Ubuntu 9.10, a !ppa can be added using a single command « sudo add-apt-repository ppa:user/ppa-name » See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu#Adding%20PPAs for more details [07:19] so after upgrading i have to add all ppas manually? [07:20] you have 53 PPA?? [07:20] alex: after upgrading, why not just back up your "sources.list.d" directory and then sed -i 's/quantal/raring/g' your stuff? [07:20] (assuming they have raring sources, of course) [07:21] ruien, what about the gpg [07:21] hmm, i didn't realize the same PPA for a different release would have a new GPG key. Is that so? [07:21] i thought it's per-PPA [07:23] strange, as upgrade program have changed quantal string in them on raring but denyed from enabling them [07:24] untrusted sources warnings? [07:25] no, just cant enable them in the gui with a checkbox [07:26] hi [07:29] alex_alex, you manually checked each of the 53 PPA to be certain that there was a raring version, or just hoping thats so' [07:31] after i deleted the # and update/upgrade i saw only 4 warnings no raring [07:32] all others seems to be already updated === jhe|away is now known as jhenke [09:03] hi folks [09:06] I've got trouble printing to an IPP printer from my newly installed 13.04 system [09:07] it's an IPP network printer, and my other systems can print just fine using the same settings [09:08] Inoki, hey :) am i connecting the dots right - did you write that one magazine article? :) [09:08] Heya, yep, I did. [09:08] Inoki, good good! mind joining #xubuntu-devel for a while? [09:09] Okies [09:09] ta [09:17] the status looks a bit fishy, too it reads "Processing - Unable to get printer status." [09:19] I can correctly resolve the print server, and I can even view the print server's status page just fine [09:19] and as I said, from an ubuntu 10.04 machine I can print just fine === NePtUnO|Off is now known as NePtUnO [10:24] Froze on me at configuring python. Now re-doing from downloaded CD. [10:44] anyone have an idea, how to report a bug when automatic bug reporting crashes itself? (lsb_release problem in 12.04 LTS) [10:45] !bugs [10:45] If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs. [10:51] ciao [10:51] hi [10:54] well, my experience with several years with LTS releases is that most userspace non-security bugs never get fixed utill next LTS release. [10:54] i will definately report. thanks. [10:59] wll I just had some updates on 12.4 and I am sort of reportin 13-th bug report that pops-up automatically. And I think I actually have that error reporting every single day since 12.04 install. Such fun. [11:02] I'm getting crashes on 12.04 from AbiWord, Chromium and possibly others: "org.freedesktop.dbus.error.serviceunknown: The name org.gnome.SessionManager was not provided by any .service files" [11:03] Any clues? [11:05] xub: how did you start X? [11:06] Automatically, as setup by the installer [11:09] bug 1044333 [11:09] bug 1044333 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "The name org.gnome.SessionManager was not provided by any .service files " [Undecided,Expired] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1044333 [11:11] xub: looks like that message is just a warning and not the reason for the crash [11:14] TheSheep: why do you think so? [11:17] xub: becuase a lot of people have reported this message in a lot of completely unrelated reports [11:17] xub: and the solution to their problems was always something else [11:17] of course that's not a proof, just a clue [11:18] xub: I just checked and I have this warning in my logs too [11:18] hm, it makes sense. [11:25] TheSheep: in fact, the /var/crash logs report different messages. thakns for your time [13:47] why does 'sudo echo low > /sys/class/drm/card0/device/power_profile' fail with a permission denied, but editing the file with a sudo'ed emacs works? [13:48] is the redirection not elevated somehow? [13:51] sudo sh -c 'echo low > /sys/class/drm/card0/device/power_profile' [13:56] ok [14:35] Is it possible to prevet the desktop screen from fading into blackness (temporarily untill say you move the mouse) while watching a movie in xubuntu ? [14:36] use vlc. It takes care off that [14:38] hmm flash in a browser [14:38] I have vlc [14:39] I use it on windows too. [14:39] disable the fading in the power settings [14:43] flash doesn't send the signal to inhibit power savings like it does on win, there are some hackish workarounds on google. adobe should just fix their shit imho [14:43] thanks GridCube [14:43] kRush: that explains it [14:43] thanks for the info [15:20] Hi all , guys need help - I can install skype but can't run it, all times get crush reports [15:22] andrii: are you using 64bit? [15:22] 32 [15:22] segfault? [15:23] or are you using nvidia or AMD graphics drivers? [15:23] one sec please [15:24] NVIDIA as I can see [15:24] does it might be a reason ? [15:25] If so, follow the instructions in this link: [15:25] http://is.gd/CPF0uP [15:26] thanks ! will let you know soon [15:26] yw :) [15:29] MAGIC :) [15:29] thanks a lot !! [15:30] andrii: cool :) [15:31] I have no idea what does this variable mean "LD_PRELOAD" - but it's working [15:31] :) [15:32] thanks again and have a good day ! [15:56] GridCube: Is it possible to make xubuntu mount my 2 other NTFS hard drive partitions on startup which are not mounted by default ? [15:57] andril LD_PRELOAD loads the item specified before anything else. Its like just saying load this first then open xxx [15:58] !fstab | aiena [15:58] aiena: The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab and http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions [16:05] GridCube mount point is fstab is optional right if you want it to remain default ? [16:06] aiena, you choose your mount points to what ever you want, you just need that the mount directory exists [16:07] ok so I have to specify /media/xxx if I want it to remain there [16:07] or do i have to use full paths [16:08] hmm thats a full path sorry [16:08] to the mount point? [16:08] if so - yes [16:08] elfy: is there a difference between gksu and gksudo ? [16:09] aiena, full paths, make sure to mkdir the xxx dir [16:09] no [16:09] theres no difference [16:09] GridCube: media already exist [16:09] aiena: I prefer to use UUID as well [16:09] aiena, yes, it exists [16:09] when I mount a parition via thunar [16:09] the folders gets poluated in it [16:09] yes [16:09] *populated [16:09] but the xxx dir gets created by the gvfs thingy [16:10] aiena: I mount in /mnt - example UUID=14ee47cc-54cb-4887-8773-fd53121efe10 /mnt/music ext4 defaults 0 2 [16:10] ok so /mnt is a better place [16:10] no [16:10] its the same [16:10] so i can specifiy .mnt/drive_name after making the directories there [16:10] it used to be that /media always showed on desktops and /mnt didn't [16:11] ok [16:11] i like to mount to ~/Documents [16:11] P: [16:11] given that im the only user i dont care if others dont see the partition [16:11] one sec now this is crazy. .media gets populated only when the dirves are mounted i.e. the directories in it are created dynamically [16:12] */media [16:12] yes [16:12] thats why i told you to create the folder [16:12] so doe this mean in fstab i use only /media [16:12] for mount point [16:12] no that would mount to media [16:12] so then i create the directories in /mnt [16:12] and the mountpoint will be /media not /media/blahblahblah [16:12] ouch [16:12] aiena, its the same wherever you create [16:13] you just need to point to an existant directory [16:13] so I create permanent directories in /media first [16:13] and then point to those [16:13] exactly [16:13] Ok [16:13] thanks [16:13] and what you are saying is /mnt and /media mirror each other at all times [16:14] no [16:14] by no reason whatsoever [16:14] ok [16:14] I cant create permanent folders in /media [16:14] i say that its the same wherever you choose to mount the partition, be it /media or /mnt or /newdisk or /mymounts [16:14] do I need to do it with sudo in terminal [16:14] yes [16:15] thanks [16:15]