[01:26] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1173349] plasma-desktop crashes repeatedly since upgrading to 14.04 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1173349 (by abmoraz)
[04:20] <ahoneybun> volkan
[04:21] <ahoneybun> smartboyhw: do you have any tasks I can help with?
[04:22] <smartboyhw> ahoneybun: What what?
[04:39] <ahoneybun> I want to help around Kubuntu
[05:05] <ScottK> ahoneybun: What are you interested in doing?
[08:40] <smartboyhw> Saucy archive open guys, start uploading! \o/
[10:43] <Quintasan> \o
[10:44] <Quintasan> ahoneybun: still there?
[12:21] <Riddell> ahoneybun: lots :)
[12:28] <smartboyhw> Good evening Riddell:)
[12:44] <BluesKaj_> Hey all
[12:49] <volkan> Riddell: hey Jonathan. sorry for being like pushing you a little bit on this, but yesterday we could not finalize our talk. do you have PO files from raring. the quantal ones are not mine and full of errors. if you have them in your archive i will be happy to get them
[12:51] <volkan> and for all: the Synaptiks is not maintained anymore, but why do we keep it in new Kubuntu releases? I cannot even open config dialog since everytime i open it gives an crash message.
[12:54] <PrincessLuna> volkan: Synaptiks works here
[12:58] <Quintasan> volkan: Why do you even try to use it? :P
[12:58] <Quintasan> That said we could try removing it
[13:11] <volkan> Quintasan: i wanted to change my multitouch properties. eg. two-finger tap for middle click and 3-finger for right click
[13:12] <volkan> also disabling while typing e.g
[13:12] <Quintasan> hmmm
[13:12] <doctorpepper> hi guys !
[13:12] <Quintasan> It works here
[13:12] <Quintasan> My favourite drink has arrived
[13:12]  * Quintasan highfives doctorpepper
[13:12] <volkan> i always needed to write a script and make it run at each reboot
[13:13] <volkan> i am using Elan touchpad
[13:15] <doctorpepper> can anyone please help me , i trying to build the new version of the plasma network manager  but  i get  the following error : package 'ModemManagerQt' not found
[13:15] <doctorpepper>  
[13:16] <Quintasan> I'm pretty sure we don't have ModemManagerQt doctorpepper
[13:16] <Quintasan> at least not in raring
[13:16] <Quintasan> !info modemmanager raring
[13:17] <doctorpepper> Quintasan: what should i do then ?  
[13:17] <Quintasan> The question is why do you want newer version of network manager
[13:19] <doctorpepper> i just want  to have the new  nice gui based on qml cause it uses less space screen space 
[13:19] <Quintasan> where did you get the code from?
[13:20] <Quintasan> you probably have to compile modemmanagerqt yourself
[13:23] <BluesKaj_> there is a modem manager in the repos ,installed by default
[13:24] <Quintasan> If you actually read the error message you'd realise he needs something else
[13:24] <Quintasan> As far as I'm concerned there is no binary package containing modemmanagerqt
[13:27] <BluesKaj_> oops misread,  QT eh ? well then nevermind :)
[13:29] <BluesKaj_> persoanlly i always dump network manager and modem manager and the interfaces and resolv.conf files for ethernet , for wifi then NM is useful
[13:30] <BluesKaj_> and use the interfaces filesetc
[13:30]  * BluesKaj_ has another coffee
[13:36] <doctorpepper> Quintasan: i got this from the kde git repos
[13:44] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: I highly recommend the ongoing "The HW - SW interface" course at Coursera
[13:44] <shadeslayer> it's super fun
[13:44] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: https://class.coursera.org/hwswinterface-001
[13:51] <Quintasan> k
[14:04] <ScottK> volkan: Synaptiks is still around due to the lack of a better alternative.
[14:04] <ScottK> yofel: Did you get a chance to look at the crash I pointed you to?
[14:08] <yofel> ScottK: looks like some kind of deserialization issue to me as a config key was removed. If it's just that working around it would be easy. I didn't yet get to reproducing/verifying this though.
[14:09] <ScottK> yofel: I have a different theory ...  I did have this happen once, during upgrade, so I'm wondering if it's the old xinput (or whatever it's called) with the upgraded synaptiks because of upgrade ordering?
[14:10] <Peace-> aaa system settingsy => instat voip=> general => crash
[14:11] <yofel> ScottK: are we still talking about bug 1102032? That can really only happen if you have a config file from -1ubuntu2 and try to open the config dialog using -1ubuntu3
[14:11] <yofel> a config file with the relevant setting actually set I believe
[14:18] <ScottK> yofel: yes.  see http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/269/builds/42840/testcases/1310/results
[14:18] <ScottK> It's weird as there's no circular touchpad on this system anyway.
[14:19] <yofel> nah, the patch from -1ubuntu3 breaks the config API actually. The part that changes the existing keys needs to be reverted
[14:20] <yofel> just managed to reproduce it
[14:20] <ScottK> Excellent.
[14:29] <sadandblue> emacs
[14:29] <sadandblue> arf ><
[14:30] <shadeslayer> yofel: yeah, I experienced that recently as well
[14:30] <Riddell> volkan: it'll be in here http://people.ubuntu.com/~jr/tmp/kubuntu-docs.tar.gz
[14:30] <shadeslayer> but that was when I got up from sleep and noticed that apport wanted to report it, so I sent the relevant logs via apport
[14:30] <yofel> shadeslayer: ditch the config file and you'll be fine, I'll just add some empty keys back 
[14:31] <shadeslayer> ah
[14:31] <shadeslayer> my synaptiksrc is empty
[14:32] <yofel> not that one...
[14:32] <yofel> ~/.config/synaptiks/touchpad-config.json
[14:32] <yofel> (don't ask me why they serialize the configuration as json...)
[14:34] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[14:34] <shadeslayer> anyway, time to go and open up Mass Effect 1 \o/
[14:35] <shadeslayer> laters
[14:35] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Did you hear back from upstream on the imap resource crash we were discussing?
[14:35] <shadeslayer> ScottK: nope, All I got was the patch
[14:35] <shadeslayer> I'll ask again on Monday
[14:35] <ScottK> OK.
[14:36] <shadeslayer> I also get my degree on Monday \o/
[14:36] <yofel> ScottK: uploaded to saucy, I'll do the SRU work once I'm sure that this actually works
[14:36] <shadeslayer> *cringe*
[14:36] <ScottK> Excellent.
[14:37] <shadeslayer> someone also started work on the poppler transition
[14:37] <shadeslayer> would be nice to actually narrow down the patch that fixes the Nepomuk issue
[14:37] <volkan> Riddell: thanks :). i got it
[14:37]  * shadeslayer puts it on todo for next weel
[14:37] <shadeslayer> *week
[14:37] <volkan> ScottK: yes i know, but I saw so many bug reports on bugs.kde regarding to synaptics
[14:38] <volkan> and i dont know how to cure it
[14:39] <volkan> Riddell: and as a last issue, the translaion files still dont appear here: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/+source/userconfig
[14:42] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Congratulations.
[14:43] <ScottK> volkan: Apparently there's a GSoC application to write a replacement.  Hopefully it gets accepted.
[14:43] <volkan> ScottK: thanks very nice to know! hopefully!
[14:43]  * yofel isn't convinced that we need a *replacement*, a maintainer would be enough...
[14:43] <yofel> then again
[14:44] <yofel> porting it to py3 might require a partial rewrite anyway
[14:45] <ScottK> I took at look at it at the start of the last cycle.  Porting didn't look too hard.
[14:45] <ScottK> But I didn't actually do it.
[14:47] <yofel> I looked at userconfig last cycle a bit, syntax was taken care of by 2to3, but pyQt/pyKDE don't behave the same way in py3 as they do in py2
[14:47] <yofel> so the UI needed fixing to do anything useful 
[14:47] <ScottK> Ah.  I didn't look at that part.
[14:47] <ScottK> I'd say wait to see about the GSoC project before investing time on it.
[14:48] <ScottK> Moving from jockey to ubuntu-drivers is something we defintely need to do.
[14:48] <maco> have there been any kwallet bug reports lately?
[14:49] <maco> since i rebooted 2 days ago, my wallet immediately relocks as soon as i unlock it, so kmail & the network manager are having freakouts
[14:51] <ScottK> maco: First I've heard of it and I have kwallet ask me everytime for stuff, so I'd definitely notice.
[14:51] <ScottK> Re jockey, we're the last user of it.
[14:51] <maco> ...291 updates. nevermind. i'll ask again later. if it's still around after those.
[14:53] <maco> ScottK: i have it set to "allow always" so having it suddenly just keep asking over and over is weird
[14:54] <ScottK> Weird.
[16:20] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Now that I think about, we don't have x86 assembly, it's just MIPS assembly
[18:11] <BluesKaj> I see adam conrad has left a link for open development of "13.10 saucy salamander " , another silly name for ubuntu ...gawd when are they gonna learn :P
[18:34] <ScottK> BluesKaj: It's Mark Shuttleworth that picks.
[18:34] <ScottK> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1252
[18:39] <BluesKaj> ScottK, yeah , I'm aware, but being a smart linux OS developer doesn't mean he has the creativity choose names that names that will give the OS the respect it deserves , it's a misplaced dumbing down choice IMO. 
[18:39] <ScottK> Yes, but it is what it is, not much point in kvetching about it.
[18:39]  * BluesKaj I"m olsd so I'm allowed to repeat myself :)
[18:40] <ScottK> Unlikely
[18:41] <BluesKaj> It's unlikely that I'm old ? ok thanks for the compliment :)
[18:42] <ScottK> Well, it's unlikely you're old from my perspective.
[18:43] <BluesKaj> some days I don't feel it , those good ones
[18:43] <BluesKaj> are
[18:44] <BluesKaj> looking forward to testing 13.10 though 
[18:45] <debfx> at least the codename is not beefy-miracle bad
[18:45] <BluesKaj> heh
[18:48] <BluesKaj> ok , going to install 13.04  to / on the other partition and go from there 
[19:00] <ScottK> OK, now I looked at your LP profile pic.  You have a shot as being as old as I am ....
[19:08] <BluesKaj> that photo is taken around 2004 , ScottK 
[19:12] <BluesKaj> ok , bbiab 
[20:24] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: oh I see
[21:07] <BluesKaj> ok ready for the 13.10 repos  when they're aavilable ..test platform ready to rumble 
[21:29] <yofel> the archive is already open
[22:29] <Riddell> how much merging is needed from debian this time?
[23:32] <yofel> Riddell: preferably all of KDE, we last merged at 4.8
[23:33] <yofel> actually merging 4.10.2 right now would be easiest as debian has that already done
[23:43] <Riddell> yep, merge everything to experimental
[23:44] <Riddell> easy... shouldn't take long at all
[23:54] <yofel> :D