[00:15] <DrHydralisk> How can I install a Plasma Theme from a .zip?
[01:38] <vitimiti> bye
[02:10] <mechabit> Hi all. I installed Takeoff (menu) and now I can't upgrade through apt, it says I have unmet dependencies. Can someone help? apt-get {clean,autoclean,} didn't help and neither did apt-get -f install
[02:11] <mechabit> I installed Takeoff from here: http://bit.ly/Y5lOdE not through a ppa
[02:14] <mechabit> error: http://paste.kde.org/733580/
[02:18] <DarthFrog> mechabit:  Try "sudo apt-get -f install".
[02:19] <DarthFrog> Oh, you said already it didn't work.
[02:19] <DarthFrog> Hmm.
[02:19] <mechabit> Yeah
[02:19] <DarthFrog> Do you have the 32 bit version of Kubuntu installed?
[02:19] <mechabit> Just to note, the .deb file doesn't give me the option to uninstall either for some reason. I guess it's just to add to the annoyance. ;)
[02:20] <mechabit> 64bit
[02:20] <mechabit> I'm not sure why the package says 32 bit. I used the 64 bit deb.
[02:21] <DarthFrog> No you didn't
[02:21] <DarthFrog> Anyway, "sudo apt-get install ia32-libs" then try re-installing it.
[02:21] <mechabit> When I load the 32 bit file, it doesn't even let me install it. Error: Wrong architecture 'i386'.
[02:22] <DarthFrog> the error report you posted in the pastbin showed it trying to install takeoff.386.
[02:22] <mechabit> No, that's the error when trying to use apt period.
[02:22] <DarthFrog> Right.
[02:22] <mechabit> Same error was thrown when installing ia32-libs
[02:23] <DarthFrog> Really?  That's odd.
[02:23] <mechabit> Yeah. Usually these things are easy.
[02:23] <DarthFrog> Try uninstalling and purging the previous installation, then re-install.
[02:24]  * mechabit facepalm
[02:24] <mechabit> Figured out what I did wrong.
[02:24] <DarthFrog> On the other hand, don't.  You're not trying to install takeoff, you're trying to upgrade it.  If what you have installed works, don't try to fix it.
[02:24] <DarthFrog> Oh this should be good. :-)
[02:25] <mechabit> LOL
[02:25] <mechabit> No. I'm not even gonna say it.
[02:25] <mechabit> DarthFrog++
[02:25] <mechabit> Ahh, no karma.
[02:25] <DarthFrog> No, no, you're not getting off that easily!  Give!
[02:25] <mechabit> Hahaha
[02:25] <mechabit> I just installed Kubuntu today. I guess I installed it earlier through PPA.
[02:25] <mechabit> Yeah, I feel stupid.
[02:26] <mechabit> First time on KDE. ;)
[02:26] <DarthFrog> Oh, is that all.  Pfff.  happens to all of us.  :-)
[02:26] <mechabit> Thanks for the help
[02:26] <DarthFrog> You're welcome.  Pay it forward.
[02:35] <mechabit> There was one other thing I needed help with, in Dolphin. Is there a way to default it to a detailed list view instead of icon view. From what I read, it looks like it needs to be set per folder.
[02:35] <DarthFrog> No idea.
[02:35] <mechabit> Alright. I'll keep Googling.
[02:35] <mechabit> :-)
[02:36] <DarthFrog> Mind you, I'd be surprised if there weren't a way to set the default file view.
[02:36] <mechabit> Yeah, that's one of the main reason I installed Kubuntu. The customizations are pretty crazy.
[02:36] <DarthFrog> You can have it your way.
[02:36] <mechabit> Like Burger King
[02:37] <DarthFrog> Zigzactly!
[02:37] <mechabit> giggity
[02:37] <DarthFrog> As Obelix would say.
[03:34] <ahoneybun> howdy
[03:35] <mechabit> o/
[03:35] <arulmagi> hi
[03:36] <arulmagi> how's the new kubuntu 13.04
[03:38] <ahoneybun> hey mechabit
[03:38] <mechabit> Hello ahoneybun
[03:47] <ahoneybun> I'm looking for work to do for Kubuntu 13.04
[10:50] <sfar> Hi, I've just been trying 13.04 and I've encountered a rather nasty bug that's fixed upstream but didn't make it into the kubuntu release. Is there any way I can find out whether a patch is on the way or suggest that one is made?
[10:51] <bazhang> which bug sfar
[10:51] <sfar> google "kwin crash r600_texture_create_object"
[10:52] <bazhang> sfar, got a bug # ?
[10:52] <sfar> Essentially it seems kwin in unstable on radeon systems with large monitors
[10:52] <sfar> One sec ..
[10:52] <sfar> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=315089
[12:44] <BluesKaj_> Hey all
[13:00] <esing> hey
[13:02] <Kalidarn> has anyone else experienced a problem with rekonq where it suddenly stop working
[13:02] <Kalidarn> nothing i enter into the address bar actually goes anywhere
[13:02] <Kalidarn> and i have cleared the settings in .kde for it, but nothing seems to help
[13:03] <Kalidarn> i get a Oops! Cannot load page for anything i enter
[13:03] <BluesKaj_> Kalidarn, yes , rekonq is still buggy , try a different browser just make sure .
[13:04] <BluesKaj_> to make sure , rather
[13:04] <Kalidarn> yeah it's weird though why did it stop working
[13:04] <Kalidarn> clearing the settings in .kde didn't make it work again
[13:04] <Kalidarn> and yes chrome and firefox work fine
[13:04] <Kalidarn> so its not a network issue
[13:05] <Kalidarn> i would have thought clearing ~/.kde/share/config/rekonqrc and ~/.kde/share/apps/rekonq would have fixed an issue like this
[13:05] <Kalidarn> seems to work fine on another computer i have here
[13:05] <Kalidarn> using the stock 2.2.1 on KDE 4.10.2 raring ringtail
[13:06] <Kalidarn> i seem to recall this happening in an earlier version of KDE too, and then it went away
[13:10] <BluesKaj_> Kalidarn, sorry I can't help with rekonq since I gave up on it a long time ago.
[13:16] <Kalidarn> maybe it's something to do with this:
[13:16] <Kalidarn> QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave.
[14:26] <happyhessian> what is the correct location for bootloader installation if i have lvm2 already set up from a previous install? i thought /dev/sda but i'm getting a fatal error there.  should i go for the / lv? it feels wrong...
[14:42] <BluesKaj> happyhessian,usually the mbr on /dev/sda
[14:44] <happyhessian> that's what i tried and it died
[14:45] <happyhessian> @BluesKaj, "executing grub-install /dev/sda failed this is a fatal error"
[14:45] <happyhessian> would it make any sense to choose /dev/mapper/vg/root-lv ?
[14:46] <happyhessian> BluesKaj, i'm trying it now even though it doesn't make sense to me,
[14:47] <happyhessian> BluesKaj, well, it didn't fail, i'll have to reboot and see if it actually works
[14:47] <dundee> Hello, I did a clean installation kubuntu 13.04 and dolphin has become very slow to start.
[14:47] <dundee> Error message when start from terminal:  QPixmap::scaled: Pixmap is a null pixmap
[14:50] <dundee> Any help with dolphin slow start up time in Kubuntu 13.04?
[14:54] <BluesKaj> dundee, have updated upgraded since your install ?
[14:58] <dundee> BluesKaj: Yes I have upgraded. Got this error starting from konsole: QPixmap::scaled: Pixmap is a null pixmap
[14:59] <BluesKaj> dundee, in dmesg ?
[15:01] <BluesKaj> dundee, what command outputs that error ?
[15:01] <dundee> BluesKaj: No related errors in dmesg.
[15:13] <andres__> hi
[15:14] <smartboyhw_> Hello andres___
[15:14] <smartboyhw_> andres__: ^
[15:16] <andres__> who can tell me that I can edit the program kubuntu graphical environment
[15:17] <smartboyhw_> ?
[15:42] <AlehksD> Does Kubuntu include Java pre-installed ?
[15:43] <rohdef> I'm trying to share a folder to a windows network using KDE
[15:43] <rohdef> seems that when I've installed the services enable a share a Windows can see it
[15:44] <rohdef> but no matter how I try the windows can't log in, and when I recheck the settings it seems it just forgets who have access
[15:44] <rohdef> I've tried the same in almost all Kubuntu releases since we got KDE 4 and now I want to know how to make this work
[15:47] <AlehksD> Does Kubuntu include Java pre-installed ?
[15:47] <rohdef> AlehksD, I recall it to do so, yes
[15:48] <rohdef> AlehksD, but if it don't it's very easy to install openjdk jre 7
[15:49] <AlehksD> Linux is complicated for me
[15:49] <AlehksD> ty
[16:06] <Linkmaster> I'm trying to dual-boot kubuntu 12.10(my original system) and windows7. I freed some space on my HD, and installed win7, lost access to kubuntu(normal). I then loaded up my liveCD version of 12.10, re-installed grub, it said something about "sector 61 in use by ZCID, skipping" or something along that, but it still boots into Linux fine. but "update-grub" doesn't show the windows partition, even though it's clearly there through fdi
[16:14] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster, try running sudo os-prober then run, sudo update-grub
[16:15] <Graf_Westerholt> My Kubuntu froze.
[16:16] <BluesKaj> Graf_Westerholt, where did it freeze ?
[16:17] <Linkmaster> Graf_Westerholt: if it's a new installation, try going to "system settings -> desktop effects -> all effects" and turn OFF blur. that might help
[16:17] <Graf_Westerholt> Randomly. Sometimes I am afk, came back and it is frozen.
[16:17] <Linkmaster> BluesKaj: http://paste.kde.org/733832/
[16:17] <Graf_Westerholt> Linkmaster, I tried all effects off. I have this problem more than a year.
[16:18] <Linkmaster> Hm, I'm not sure then..I know my old system had a weird memory overflow with akonadi, you could look at the "system manager" and see if anything is hogging your resources
[16:19] <Graf_Westerholt> Linkmaster, sorry how do I open "system manager"?
[16:19] <Linkmaster> *system monitor, word mistake
[16:20] <Linkmaster> BluesKaj: here's fdisk http://paste.kde.org/733838/
[16:20] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster, update to grub 2 , osprober doesn't work on legacy grub
[16:20] <Linkmaster> BluesKaj: I should be using grub2, right? I thought grub2 was the default on everything past 9.04..
[16:20] <Graf_Westerholt> Linkmaster, you mean monitors to show memory, cpu … ?
[16:21] <Linkmaster> Graf_Westerholt: yes
[16:21] <Graf_Westerholt> ok. I do this all the time, I have it on my desktop, but there is no problem. No CPU use, no much memory use or anything.
[16:21] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster, only if you made a clean install since
[16:22] <Linkmaster> Yeah, I haven't used anything older then 10.10, but this system started clean on 12.10
[16:22] <Graf_Westerholt> Linkmaster, I even cannot use the Magic SysRQ.
[16:23] <Linkmaster> Graf_Westerholt: I'm not to sure..the only thing I can think of is something like "blur" or "transperency" is causing the desktop to lag. When it "freezes" whatever window you're still on works fine, right? Just unable to switch or something?
[16:24] <Linkmaster> BluesKaj: apparently, I'm using grub though..how can I update to grub2?
[16:24] <Graf_Westerholt> Linkmaster, nothing is working. No window, no switching to konsole, no magic SysRQ.
[16:24] <BluesKaj> sudo apt-cache policy grub2 ,  Linkmaster just to make sure
[16:25] <Graf_Westerholt> The mouspointer is not working, too.
[16:25] <Linkmaster> BluesKaj: it is indeed not installed. Interesting, I don't know how I went back to grub 0.97....
[16:26] <Linkmaster> BluesKaj: http://paste.kde.org/733850/
[16:26] <Graf_Westerholt> Linkmaster, and blur effect is turned off.
[16:27] <Graf_Westerholt> Translucency is off, too.
[16:27]  * BluesKaj facepalms , of course it's not installed on the OS it's in the mbr
[16:28] <Linkmaster> Graf_Westerholt: I don't really know then..what are your system specs? you need an absolute minimum 2gigs of RAM, in my opinion, for kubu to work well..
[16:28] <Linkmaster> BluesKaj: well...how do I "make it work" then? xP
[16:28] <BluesKaj> !grub
[16:28] <Graf_Westerholt> Linkmaster, my system: http://www.sysprofile.de/id10404
[16:38] <Linkmaster> BluesKaj: Still nothing about being able to boot into windows, it said grub was version 2 as well
[16:38] <Linkmaster> Graf_Westerholt: it doesn't look like you have enough RAM
[16:39] <Graf_Westerholt> Linkmaster, I see the ram monitor all the time, that is not the problem.
[16:39] <Linkmaster> Graf_Westerholt: that's just my thoughts, my system just booted up, and with the web-browser included, I'm running at 1.3 gigs of used RAM.
[16:40] <Graf_Westerholt> But it freeze with some memory free.
[16:40] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster,  do you have the live cd or usb for your kubuntu version
[16:40] <BluesKaj> ?
[16:40] <Linkmaster> BluesKaj: yes I do
[16:43] <Linkmaster> BluesKaj: do you want me to boot into that?
[16:47] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster, yes ,and then we can reinstall grubn to include your windows partition
[16:47] <Linkmaster> okay, be right back
[16:49] <saurabh> hi
[16:50] <asunnO> hay girl
[16:50] <Linkmaster_> BluesKaj: back
[16:54] <Linkmaster_> BluesKaj: ?
[16:54] <BluesKaj> ok Linkmaster_ open a terminal and do sudo fdisk -l , the windows partition should show there , and if it is first oin the hard drive then that's where grub should be installed . The mbr is the first 512 bytes of most hdds , and if your disk shows as /dev/sda bein the first partition then it should be fairly simple .
[16:55] <Linkmaster_> BluesKaj: http://paste.kde.org/733874/
[16:55] <BluesKaj> run blkid to make sure
[16:56] <Linkmaster_> BluesKaj: http://paste.kde.org/733886/
[17:00] <BluesKaj> ok Linkmaster_ , try sudo grub-install /dev/sda , then run sudo update-grub
[19:10] <james0077> I just installed 13.04 , and I tried changing my window appearance in my settings and I think plasma crashed... or something
[19:11] <james0077> all of my open windows lost their title bars (with the close/minimize buttons) and the main panel is gone too
[19:35] <kubuntunewbie> First off, I'm amazed by KDE 4.10.  I'm a Gnome guy and I'm completely won over for the first time.
[19:39] <kubuntu_live> kde looks sexy... i just wonder why
[20:17] <Klaus_Dieter> hello world
[20:17] <Klaus_Dieter> yesterday I upgraded to 13.04 since then I cannot use my mobile phone as a modem any more
[20:17] <Klaus_Dieter> this did work in 12.10 via bluetooth
[20:19] <Klaus_Dieter> now blueman tells me "modem manager: does not support this connection"
[20:19] <Klaus_Dieter> also it is impossible in knetworkmanager to check the box for "activate mobile broadband connections"
[20:19] <Klaus_Dieter> I am not seeing an error in .xsession-errors
[20:20] <Klaus_Dieter> how can I get this to work again?
[20:23] <southern> hello
[20:23] <southern> anyone there
[20:25] <dundee> Hello, I did a clean installation kubuntu 13.04 and dolphin has become very slow to start
[20:27] <dundee>  Got this error starting from konsole: QPixmap::scaled: Pixmap is a null pixmap
[20:27] <dundee> Any help please?
[21:08] <Linkmaster> BluesKaj: ping
[21:10] <BluesKaj> hey Linkmaster
[21:10] <BluesKaj> any luck ?
[21:11] <Linkmaster> my internet shut off, it came online about 3 minutes ago, and the last message I had was of me sending you the kdepaste of blkid
[21:13] <BluesKaj> ok , from your paste I see you have linux in front of windows on the that hdd , it would be better to have windows in the fist part of the hdd and linux in the other .
[21:16] <BluesKaj> however try this , sudo grub-install /dev/sda , you may have lost the windows bootloader since it normally resides in the mbr right at the beginning of the hdd
[21:16] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster, ^
[21:17] <BluesKaj> then sudo update grub /dev/sda
[21:17] <Linkmaster> I'm in the liveCD, you want me to mount anything..? I got an error
[21:18] <Linkmaster> BluesKaj: http://paste.kde.org/734006/
[21:20] <BluesKaj> sudo mount /dev/sda /mnt
[21:20] <Linkmaster> alright
[21:21] <Linkmaster> It says I have to specify the filesystem type
[21:22] <BluesKaj> ok ntfs
[21:22] <Linkmaster> Here is my system
[21:22] <Linkmaster> http://paste.kde.org/734018/
[21:22] <Linkmaster> wait, you want me to mount the windows filesystem??
[21:24] <BluesKaj> yes because the bootloader from windows is missing , so when you install grub it will find it and put it in you grub boot menu
[21:24] <Linkmaster> okay, so, I should go "mount ntfs /dev/sda3 /mnt" ?
[21:25] <BluesKaj> i have grub installed on a separate hdd , that contains W7
[21:25] <BluesKaj> and it works fine
[21:25] <Linkmaster> that doesn't work..
[21:25] <Linkmaster> I only have one hdd..
[21:26] <Linkmaster> taking out "ntfs" did though
[21:26] <Linkmaster> and now grub-install /dev/sda?
[21:26] <BluesKaj> yes but the partition is not being used atm so it will mount and grub should install
[21:26] <BluesKaj> yes
[21:27] <Linkmaster> same error
[21:27] <Linkmaster> or should I change it to ../sda1 or /sda3?
[21:27] <BluesKaj> you can try but grub doesn't like sda with numbers
[21:28] <Linkmaster> It's not working at all without numbers though..
[21:28] <BluesKaj> well, it will probly error  out , but give it a shot
[21:28] <Linkmaster> Should I also have the linux filesystem mounted? I'm currently still in the LiveCD envirnonment
[21:29] <Linkmaster> yeah, exact same error message
[21:29] <Linkmaster> "Path `/boot/grub' is not readable by GRUB on boot. Installation is impossible. Aborting. "
[21:30] <F41L> Heyo, are there any working drivers, source or otherwise, for Killer E2100?
[21:31] <F41L> ooh, Konversation developer. I love Konversation :D
[21:32] <F41L> I even use it on non-KDE boxes :3
[21:32] <Linkmaster> BluesKaj: any ideas..?
[21:34] <BluesKaj> linkmaster, i suggest you move your partitions around to make the windows OS first on the hdd , and you may have to repair windows to rescue the bootloader
[21:35] <Linkmaster> BluesKaj: that's no good..I have quite a bit of information on the linux partition, and no way to back it up
[21:39] <BluesKaj> well, sorry but that's the only alternative , you won't lose any info if you move the linux that's at the beginning of your drive , which i suspect is your linux root / partition
[21:39] <Linkmaster> Yeah, the first partiton is /, and the next one is /home
[21:39] <Linkmaster> But I need more then 20 gigs for the windows..
[21:41] <Linkmaster> It's just really weird, because when I first install windows, it boots right up. It's only after I try to reinstall grub that it no longer works
[21:42] <BluesKaj> then use your windows rescue disk if avallable to repair the windows bootloader
[21:42] <Linkmaster> Yeah, let me try that..then reinstall if it makes linux unbootable..I'll tell you my results in a bit
[21:43] <BluesKaj> that's because  the windows bootloader is still in the mbr before installing grub
[21:44] <F41L> Speaking of. Kubuntu installation put grub on the wrong drive. Now can I safely remove grub from the MBR of the drive in question, and put it on the correct one?
[21:46] <BluesKaj> F41L, depends which drive is first in the boot sequence in the bios
[21:47] <F41L> The drive that's first in the boot sequence is a 256gig SSD running windows. The Kubuntu install is on a 40gig SSD, and by some miracle, Kubuntu put grub on a 500gig platter drive I'm using for storage on windows (formatted NTFS)
[21:49] <BluesKaj> I have grub installed on the fisrst drive which is windows ..windows always assumes to be the /dev/sda , even tho  fdisk might not list the drive with the same assigned letters as linux does
[21:50] <BluesKaj> err windows does , correction
[21:52] <BluesKaj> F41L, seems that's a good setup to me , if grub is listing windows along with linux in the menu then why change it?
[21:53] <F41L> Why do I want grub on my storage drive?
[21:53] <F41L> What if I wanted to take this drive to another machine, I no longer can boot from it.
[21:53] <F41L> I'd rather the linux drive be contained to itself.
[21:53] <BluesKaj> storage drive ?
[21:53] <F41L> so when I press F8 at boot to pick my boot drive, I can specify the one running linux.
[21:54] <F41L> I don't want my linux and windows touching eachother, and I should NOT rely on another drive to be present to boot.
[21:54] <F41L> I have 3 drives, 1 for windows, 1 for linux, and 1 for pure storage.
[21:54] <BluesKaj> you said you were running windows on your first drive
[21:54] <F41L> yes
[21:55] <BluesKaj> I never said to install grub on a storage drive
[21:55] <F41L> That's what Kubuntu did..
[21:55] <F41L> I aimed it at my 40gig SSD
[21:55] <F41L> and it put it there, but then put my boot loader on a completely separate drive with no option to change it
[21:56] <BluesKaj> how did you install kubuntu during the partitioning phase ?
[21:56] <F41L> boot to CD, use full drive, selected the 40gig SSD that I wanted to use
[21:57] <F41L> There was no option as to where to place the bootloader, and no indication that it had been placed on some unrelated random drive formatted for NTFS
[21:57] <F41L> All sensibility would make one assume that the boot loader would be put on the same drive as the OS.
[21:59] <Unit193> It'd make more sense to put it on the drive that is the master drive.
[22:00] <BluesKaj> F41L, yeah unfortunately that's been passed over for some reason , but you should be able to install grub on the windows drive mbr , just make sure the outboard drive isn't in the mix
[22:00] <F41L> I don't WANT to install grub on a windows drive.
[22:01] <F41L> I'd like to have the windows bootloader for windows, the linux bootloader for linux, and the storage drive.. why does it need a bootloader? :(
[22:01] <kdebooth> Hello
[22:01] <kdebooth> Can I share the full screen over the network with X or would i have to use something like nx?
[22:02] <BluesKaj> if these drives you are referring toare all portable then make sure you don't connect them when reinstalling grub from the live cd or usb
[22:02] <F41L> They're all internal, I have a 13-drive monster-tower
[22:02] <kdebooth> F41L: Far as I understand it you can have all of them you just have to chain them
[22:03] <F41L> I want them all separate.
[22:03] <F41L> The storage drive doesn't need a bootloader, it does not contain an operating system. The windows drive doesn't need a linux bootloader. The linux drive probably does need a bootloader.
[22:03] <F41L> I can select what drive I want to boot to from my bios menu pre-boot
[22:04] <BluesKaj> f4well what you wnat and what windows and linux/grub want are 2 differnt things . guess what's going to have the say here
[22:04] <BluesKaj> F41L,^'
[22:05] <F41L> Well, the question is, how do I remove grub from the drive without destroying the partition table from the storage drive.
[22:05] <F41L> and put it on the linux drive as it should be sensibly.
[22:05] <BluesKaj> F41L, the windows OS needs a bootloader , beleive me
[22:05] <F41L> Right, and it has one....
[22:06] <F41L> for itself....
[22:06] <F41L> ntldr
[22:06] <nova_> Since I upgraded my vmware guest from Kubuntu 12.10 to 13.04, I'm unable to sucessfully compile the filesharing driver portion of vmware tools (vmhgfs module).  Without this I cannot share folders on the host with the guest directly.  Full text of the installer is here (http://pastebin.com/wE3L4Vxe), lines in question are 285-358.
[22:06] <BluesKaj> F41L, move it over 512 bytes
[22:07] <nova_> F41L: I don't know how to move or remove or change a bootloader..but I've always avoided those questions by disconnecting drives that i do not want affected by changes.  I agree it's fairly easy to switch the boot order in bios, making a bootloader unnecessary.
[22:08] <nova_> F41L:  Disconnect them while installing, reconnect them afterwards and use BIOS to change boot preferences
[22:08] <F41L> Ok.. but it's already isntalled
[22:09] <F41L> how do I revert this screwup?
[22:09] <BluesKaj> anyway , it's been a long day and dinner is ready
[22:11] <nova_> I've always found grub to be mysterious and scary...and the concept of multibooting seems pointless when you can virtualize and run all these OSes side by side at the same time
[22:11] <F41L> Drive 0: SSD-Windows-NTFS-NTLDR, Drive 1: Platter-None-NTFS-GRUB, Drive 2: SSD-Kubuntu-EXT4-None
[22:12] <F41L> I want to remove the bootloader on drive 1 without destroying my data, and put it on drive 2, where it belongs.
[22:14] <nova_> F41L: did you see this yet? http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/bootinfoscript/index.php?title=Boot_Problems:Computer_does_not_boot_without_external_drive
[22:14] <F41L> Have not yet, no.
[22:15] <F41L> Development suggestion, give a friggin' option as to WHERE to put the bootloader during installation process. Cman.. we're at 13.04 now.
[22:15] <nova_> The exact scenario seems a bit different but it still might have useful info
[22:15] <kdebooth> F41L: Just put the Windows bootloader on it will destroy everything on the drive
[22:16] <kdebooth> F41L: there is an option for that
[22:16] <F41L> Not that I saw.
[22:18] <kdebooth> Maybe they changed it :-/ THere has always been one
[22:18] <kdebooth> Might have to flip on advanced mode
[22:19] <F41L> Just kind of weird how it picks a drive at random it seems >.>
[22:19] <F41L> Since the drive it put grub on is nowhere near the first drive, either on the SATA controller or in boot.
[22:19] <nova_> does it install grub to the first drive int he boot order?
[22:20] <nova_> I thought that's how it worked
[22:20] <F41L> if that was the case, it would have overwritten my windows bootloader on the 256gig SSD
[22:20] <F41L> connected to SATA port 0
[22:21] <kdebooth> F41L: The linux bootloader won't overwrite existing bootloaders
[22:21] <F41L> Then of course, meanwhile, in 2013, there's no driver for an E2100 :(((
[22:21] <nova_> so you boot to drive 0, drive 1 is empty yet it installed grub there..and linux is on drive 2?
[22:21] <kdebooth> Unless you ask it to
[22:22] <F41L> I boot to drive 0, drive 1 is just a partition full of data, no operating system, and linux is on drive 2.
[22:23] <F41L> But the installer automagically put grub on drive 1
[22:24] <nova_> so it didnt screw up your windows drive at all?  can you disconnect all drives and still boot windows?
[22:24] <F41L> yes
[22:24] <nova_> well, all except that one
[22:25] <nova_> and this is a fesh kubuntu install on drive 2?
[22:25] <nova_> fresh*
[22:25] <F41L> yes
[22:25] <kdebooth> F41L: strange
[22:25] <F41L> It used to have windows on it
[22:25] <F41L> but I moved to the 256 SSD, and isntalled frst on that, and wanted to repurpose my 40gig SSD
[22:26] <nova_> so you want to restore the mbr on drive 1, which doesnt have any os on it...that should be fairly risk free right??
[22:26] <kdebooth> F41L: Did you scrub the bootloader from it?
[22:26] <F41L> I haven't touched anything at the moment. my 500gig drive is nearly full of data, and don't want to risk bolloxing that up.
[22:26] <nova_> and thats drive 1?
[22:27] <F41L> yes
[22:27] <F41L> If I tell the bios to boot to drive 2, it just sits at a blinking cursor
[22:27] <F41L> if I tell it to boot to the 500gig drive, it will load kubuntu that I just installed onto the 40gig SSD
[22:27] <nova_> probably because grub is on 1
[22:27] <F41L> and if I tell it to boot to drive 0, it boots windows as expected.
[22:27] <nova_> if you tell bios to boot from 1?
[22:27] <F41L> yes
[22:27] <F41L> grub is on drive 1
[22:28] <F41L> I want to remove it without destroying my data, and put it on drive 2
[22:28] <nova_> booting from 1 allows linux on 2 to boot ya?
[22:28] <F41L> yes
[22:29] <nova_> but you want grub on drive 2 to handle booting windows on drive 0?
[22:29] <F41L> no
[22:29] <nova_> or you would prefer it not?
[22:29] <F41L> I would prefer it not
[22:29] <F41L> I want each drive to be self-contained, and only worry about themselves.
[22:30] <nova_> i would remove that drive while yorue working on this then
[22:30] <F41L> More difficult than it sounds.
[22:30] <nova_> perhaps remove drive 1 as well..focus on getting a self contained install on drive 2
[22:30] <nova_> can you pull the power cable from it?
[22:30] <F41L> 75 pound chassis and the drives are currently very inaccessable
[22:31] <nova_> or the data cable?
[22:31] <nova_> hmm
[22:33] <F41L> and since I can't get online with kubuntu while booted to it, I need whatever info I can get first to write it down, then boot to kubuntu and do it :D
[22:33] <F41L> I have one NIC that doesn't have linux drivers period
[22:33] <nova_> you cant get kubuntu online?
[22:33] <F41L> and another NIC that was bad from the factory.
[22:33] <nova_> eww
[22:33] <F41L> yeah ;D
[22:33] <F41L> intel 82574L
[22:33] <F41L> no MAC address
[22:33] <nova_> at the risk of going off course here..have you tried or looked into vmwar player or virtualbox?
[22:34] <F41L> almost looks like ASUS forgot to flash the firmware
[22:34] <F41L> I have, and I don't want to virtualize.
[22:34] <nova_> kk
[22:34] <F41L> Need the performance.
[22:34] <F41L> for virtualization I have a dedicated server running proxmox
[22:34] <nova_> theres no driver for an intel adapter?
[22:34] <nova_> that seems...unlikely
[22:34] <F41L> No, the other NIC is weird
[22:34] <F41L> Killer E2100
[22:34] <F41L> only has windows drivers.
[22:35] <F41L> the intel nic has no firmware from factory.
[22:35] <F41L> So between the two, only the E2100 works, under windows.
[22:35] <F41L> and there's some way I can potentially fix the firmware on the intel but it's a bit over my head and there's very little documentation
[22:35] <nova_> and updating the system bios doesnt fix the NIC huh
[22:35] <F41L> no, it's a separate EEPROM
[22:36] <nova_> yeah asus documentation is terribad
[22:37] <nova_> i dont know how easy it would be to fix up the kubuntu install with it not having internet...so many things start with "sudo apt-get"
[22:37] <F41L> Well, sudo -s
[22:37] <F41L> cause typing sudo 100 times before every command sucks
[22:37] <kdebooth> sudo -i
[22:38] <F41L> or -s
[22:38] <nova_> maybe a $10 cheapo NIC card with more support would be a good addition
[22:38] <F41L> which is what I use.
[22:38] <F41L> Well you'd think the intel would have decent enough documentation on how to fix it.
[22:38] <F41L> Maybe some firmware files.
[22:38] <nova_> odd that its broke to begin with
[22:38] <F41L> All I have is some intel boot agent thing
[22:38] <F41L> of which I don't even know where to begin
[22:39] <nova_> yeah for network booting
[22:39] <F41L> closest thing I could find to try to fix it is this: http://blog.vodkamelone.de/archives/146-Unbricking-an-Intel-Pro1000-e1000-network-interface.html
[22:40] <F41L> but mine isn't an intel pro1000
[22:40] <F41L> it's Intel 82574L Gigabit
[22:40] <F41L> has 00:00:00:00:00:00 MAC
[22:40] <kdebooth> F41L: I guess you don't have anything setup special for root
[22:48] <nova_> its sounds to me as if you need to install grub and iget it working on drive 2..then go about trying to restor the mbr on drive 1
[22:48] <nova_> from what i can telling moving grub isnt an option
[22:49] <nova_> the windows cd has some tools to restore mbr and boot...but some posts ive seen say that data loss is possible
[22:51] <nova_> if that data is critical, I would back it up somehow..if you can boot into windows and access it..copy it to another cleaner drive
[22:52] <nova_> you cant fix anything if youre afraid to proceed and try things, and if that data is preventing you from experimenting..I'd spend a few $ on a new drive for the peace of mind
[22:55] <nova_> buy a fresh intel NIC while you're at it : P
[22:59] <F41L> well, nova_, the 500 gig drive IS the backup drive :D
[22:59] <F41L> Is there something simple I can do to remove grub from it?
[22:59] <F41L> and leave the data intact
[23:01] <nova_> im wondering if you even need to remove grub from it...if you install grub to drive 2 and get it working..and then switch in bios between booting to drive 0 or 2...then the grub on drive 1 isnt an issue is it?
[23:02] <nova_> if thats possible the safest bet would be to leave it as is
[23:02] <nova_> otherwise..theres a way to boot from a windows cd and /fixmbr /fixboot
[23:04] <nova_> I would guess the risk of data loss by fixing the mbr on drive 1 isnt very great since youre not expecting it to boot from it anyway
[23:05] <kdebooth> F41L: what do you want on that drive?
[23:05] <nova_> on drive 1, he only wants to preserve his data
[23:05] <F41L> I have 3 drives, one is a windows drive, one is an NTFS storage drive, the other I've isntalled Kubuntu on. But Kubuntu put my bootloader onto my storage drive.
[23:06] <F41L> Trying to remove the bootloader from the storage drive without destroying my data, and put it onto the drive I've installed Kubuntu on.
[23:09] <nova_> i see this line in a post ob kubuntu forums "when you were at the part of the installation ware you pick the partition to install Kubuntu to at the bottom is a menu for ware to install grub to"
[23:10] <nova_> perhaps you can just reinstall kubuntu again and carefully check for any options related to grub
[23:10] <F41L> Yeah, but then my storage drive will still have grub on it for no good reason >.>
[23:10] <nova_> yes..but one step at a time right
[23:10] <Torch> the grub code in the boot sector won't hurt you ever
[23:11] <F41L> But it doesn't need to be there period >.>
[23:11] <Torch> no, but you won't notice it ever
[23:11] <Torch> if it wasn't there you'd have some random data there that you wouldn't notice either
[23:12] <nova_> the decision youre faced with is either risk data loss trying to restore the drive to its original non grub state...or leave it there where it will be quietly annoying you but not a problem
[23:12] <Torch> do not mess around with the boot sector yourself. it also contains the partition table and you definitely don't want to lose that.
[23:12] <F41L> I suppose >.>
[23:13] <nova_> im all for being thorough and wanting things just right..but you need to backup that data if youre going to take risks with it
[23:16] <F41L> Well I'm going to attempt reinstalling then, if there's no grub option I'm gonna report back
[23:16] <F41L> Meanwhile.... could anyone help me track down some drivers for E2100?
[23:17] <nova_> this seems like interesting reading regarding removing grub from windows http://www.sevenforums.com/general-discussion/17521-how-fix-mbr-through-command-prompt-2.html
[23:18] <Torch> without reading it... it will discuss restoring the windows boot code, right?
[23:18] <Torch> what do you gain from that?
[23:18] <F41L> Nothing, just forget it, thanks for the help.
[23:22] <nova_> I don't know if anyone can help..but I upgrade my vmware guest kubuntu 12.10 to 13.04....I'm no longer able to build the vmware tools properly.  It throws a bunch of errors while building the filesharing module vmhgfs.  full text is here (http://pastebin.com/wE3L4Vxe)
[23:30] <sysdoc_> Are the repos down for the US?
[23:32] <sysdoc_> Over?!
[23:35] <tsimpson> seems up from here
[23:36] <sysdoc_> thx tsimpson
[23:36] <kdebooth> sysdoc_: which server?
[23:36] <kdebooth> layla__________: ping!!!
[23:36] <Artakha> o_o
[23:58] <sysdoc_> Wow I can not get anything to install with Jockey :ERROR: Binary package nvidia-173 has no trusted origin, rejecting"