[04:08] <kaushal> Hi
[04:08] <kaushal> Finally I have upgraded Ubuntu to 13.04 from 11.10 :D
[04:08] <kaushal> its pretty fast
[04:09] <kaushal> are there unity lens for pidgin?
[04:09] <kaushal> on 13.04
[07:31] <kaushal> Hi
[07:34] <kaushal> Mobile broadband doesnot do "automatically connect to the network when it is available" inspite of enabling checkbox in Network Connections?
[07:34] <kaushal> Any clue?
[08:05] <SuperMatt> would it be mean of me to install ubuntu on my grandad's aging dell machine with windows vista?
[09:04] <daubers> Morning
[09:04]  * awilkins grunts through his coffee
[09:11]  * awilkins expresses his opinion that the new file manager icon for the Raring launcher is rubbish and the old one was better
[09:44] <brobostigon> good morning eveyrone,
[09:52] <brobostigon> i wonder if there is a way of pulling the tv program marks, of a sky boxes program planner, onto either my pc or android?
[09:59] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: TV program marks? you mean the schedule?
[09:59] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i mean, when i mark something, as a reminder, for it to remind me, something i want to watch is on.
[10:00] <MartijnVdS> ah
[10:00] <MartijnVdS> I think that's going to be hard.
[10:01] <MartijnVdS> unless they push it to their end and have a web service to retrieve it
[10:01] <brobostigon> thats what i thought, might be easier to program both seperatly.
[10:46] <ocean> Hi guys. I am using ubuntu 13.04 with mozilla firefox as the web browser (default version on ubuntu 13.04). I have noticed that firefox stop streaming some media content around 15 to 20s (that is after playing the add)  but  keep saying “buffering” but would never play it again. I had this issue with previous versions of ubuntu but google chrome browser was spared but seems its chromium broswser is affected on ubuntu 13.04.
[10:46] <ocean> please see a link to one of the websites where it happens
[10:46] <ocean> http://www.manoramanews.com/cgi-bin/MMOnline.dll/portal/ep/mmtvContentView.do?contentId=13949035&programId=9958837&tabId=14&BV_ID=@@@
[10:46] <ocean> please guide me and any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
[10:48] <dwatkins> does other flash-based content play okay, ocean/guest63321, such as youtube videos?
[10:49] <Guest63321> dwatkins, yeah intrestingly youtube has been playing allright (including on previous versions of ubuntu)
[10:50] <brobostigon> flash youtube or html5 youtube?
[10:52] <Guest63321> brobostigon, sorry brob. I just installed ubuntu restricted extras and it started playing youtube without any problem. not quiet sure if it is flash or html. when i right clik on youtube videos it says "about flash player at the end of the menu. sorry does that help
[10:52] <brobostigon> Guest63321: what does about:plugins say in both?
[10:53] <brobostigon> ok, brb, house work to do,
[10:55] <Guest63321> brobostigon, about:plugins give so many options. which one exactly should i look for
[11:05] <brobostigon> Guest63321: adobe flash, to see if it has been recognised properly.
[11:09] <Guest63321> brobostigon, i cant see the the adobe flash plugin anywhere under the plugins even under the video plugins
[11:11] <brobostigon> Guest63321: chrome isnt affected, because it has adobe flash built into itself. which of course because is closed software isnt included in either FF or chromium. i cant really help more thasn that, i dont even have flash installed, except for its own install in chrome, sorry.
[11:14] <Guest63321> brobostigon, the chrome that i installed from the repo has the same problem on ubuntu 13.04 as i have just cheked. it start playing the video and stop at 20s.
[11:14] <brobostigon> Guest63321: good question, i really dont know, sorry.
[11:14] <Guest63321> brobostigon, http://pastebin.ca/2368831 is the pastebin of the plugin if u would liek to have a llok
[11:14] <Guest63321> brobostigon, thats okay. thanks for ur help anyway
[11:15] <kvarley> SuperMatt: Surely it would be liberating
[11:45] <dwatkins> Guest63321: did these video streams play before or on other operating systems from your location?
[11:47] <Guest63321> dwatkins, yes they are playing okay on windows. and has been playing alright on chrome browser on ubuntu 12.10 or before.
[11:48] <dwatkins> hmm, no idea, sorry - perhaps check the forums
[11:48] <Guest63321> dwatkins, is that afeected from ur location as well?
[11:48] <dwatkins> eh?
[11:49] <Guest63321> dwatkins, is that firefox and ubuntu?
[11:50] <dwatkins> I'm not sure, but if you've narrowed the diagnosis down to 'firefox running on 13.04' and in other operating systems from your location the problem doesn't exist, it would seem to be a problem with 13.04 and/or that version of firefox, not a proxy server from your ISP or something (unless it's just a configuration issue, or you have the flash cache set too low)
[11:50] <dwatkins> right click on a video, go to settings (not global settings, just settings) and check that the local storage isn't something really small like 10 kilobytes, Guest63321
[11:51] <Guest63321> dwatkins, intrstingly firefox has been affected on previous versions of ubuntu (atleast 3 previous versions) but was not a problem for me as chrome was playing them all fine. but on ubuntu 13.04 both chrome and FF is affected
[11:52] <dwatkins> if you create a new user account on the same PC, does it have the problem, Guest63321?
[11:52] <Guest63321> dwatkins, i havent tried that yet on ubuntu.
[11:53] <kvarley> How can I launch skype without having to do "LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/mesa/FGL.renamed.libGL.so.1.2.0 skype" each time? I don't want to change the shortcut command, I want to fix the issue
[11:53] <dwatkins> that would rule-out a configuration issue, to a certain extent (i.e. rule out a user configuration problem)
[11:54] <dwatkins> kvarley: log a bug with Microsoft?
[11:54] <kvarley> dwatkins: They're so ignorant that won't happen haha
[11:54] <kvarley> But I see your point, nothing anybody can really do aside from MS
[11:55] <dwatkins> kvarley: I doubt they're ignorant, unless you mean they will ignore you.
[11:55] <Guest63321> dwatkins, could u tell me if that website is using adobe flash or html5? did u have a look at the pastebin of my plugins?
[11:55] <dwatkins> Guest63321: your website (in Hindi, I assume) uses Flash
[11:58] <Guest63321> dwatkins, could u please have a look at my plugins on FF to see if everything installed alright. http://pastebin.ca/2368867 tx for the help.
[12:00] <dwatkins> looks ok, Guest63321 - try creating another user account to see if it's just a configuration problem restricted to that one user account
[12:01] <Guest63321> dwatkins, would try that one as well. just oen more query..any clue why youtube is not affected and that particula website is affected even though both are flash?
[12:03] <dwatkins> no, sorry, probably something to do with them being different applications, both flash-based but written differently
[12:03] <Guest63321> oh okay, thanks for the help dwatkins
[12:03] <dwatkins> :)
[13:53] <dogmatic69> anyone got a clue how I could match my monitor to printer?
[13:53] <dogmatic69> HP M25ln colour laserjet with samsung P2350 and nvidia drivers?
[14:05] <penguin42> oh colour matching - hmm
[14:05] <penguin42> dogmatic69: http://www.freedesktop.org/software/colord/intro.html ?
[14:06] <dogmatic69> ye, difference between on screen vs printed is huge :(
[14:06] <dogmatic69> I cant seem to find icc files for the screen / printer yet
[14:07] <penguin42> is there no scheme to print something and match it with something somehow?
[14:09] <celesteh> Hey, I have a n00b question: I've installed ubuntu studio 13.04 beta 2 and i see on their website they've now got the point release up. If I've been doing the system updates, does that mean i'm not at the release version or do i need to re-install?
[14:09] <dogmatic69> penguin42: not sure, have not seen anything like that
[14:09] <penguin42> celesteh: If you've got the beta and you do an update you should match the release
[14:10] <penguin42> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-color-manager/3.1/gnome-color-manager.html  talks about using a hardware tool which I guess is a pricey thing
[14:10] <dogmatic69> I saw a opensource one for £60
[14:11] <dogmatic69> plugs in to usb and does some magic
[14:12] <penguin42> nod
[14:12] <penguin42> hmm you don't have a scanner, so it's a case of getting the printer and monitor to match or both to match some standard I guess
[14:12] <celesteh> thanks penguin42!
[14:13] <dogmatic69> penguin42: nope
[14:13] <penguin42> dogmatic69: ?
[14:14] <dogmatic69> no scanner
[14:14] <dogmatic69> well I got a copy / fax / scan thing, but does not work on my pc (atm / ever?)
[14:15] <penguin42> dogmatic69: You'd think you'd be able to print some standard picture, hold it up against the monitor and tweek it until they matched and rinse/repeat
[14:16] <dogmatic69> ye, maybe.
[14:17] <dogmatic69> thats kinda like saying you could tune a piano by listening to the radio ;)
[14:17] <penguin42> well that's why I said about the scanner - you have nothing to feed back
[14:19] <penguin42> dogmatic69: If you had some external printed thing that you had the digital image for you might work - e.g. a professionally printed leaflet/cd that you also had the digital input to
[14:20] <dogmatic69> ye
[14:20] <penguin42> or a set of pantone mugs
[14:20] <dogmatic69> maybe I can do something with pantones
[14:20] <dogmatic69> ye
[14:21] <penguin42> or perhaps just take a photo of something, take it to a good shop to get it printed and use it as  a reference?
[14:22] <dogmatic69> also somehow got to match my camera
[14:22] <penguin42> hmm then you're closing the loop
[14:22] <dogmatic69> my problem is 1) take a pic, 2) ufraw settings to look good 3) print, almost black
[14:23] <dogmatic69> will try something now, got to pop to the store before it closes.
[14:49] <penguin42> the change in support lifetime for non-LTS is curious; I think that means Quantal is supported until after Raring goes out of support
[14:51] <shauno> sounds about right.  not sure it'll have a whole lot of real impact though
[14:52] <celesteh> Re-asking a question I'm still having trouble with: I have a tablet computer with a touch screen and a stylus.  When I plug it into aprojector and mirror the displays, my screen geometry changes, usually to be less wide, but the geometry for the stylus does not seem to change. Is there a way to get my stylus to recalibrate to match the screen?  (I'm reading stuff about xset wacom and xrandr. Am I on the right track?)
[14:52] <celesteh> s/xset wacom/xsetwacom/
[14:53] <penguin42> shauno: Yeh, it's a bit of an odd way around
[14:58] <shauno> it's quite a predictable hiccup.  you either do that, or withdraw previously offered support on previous releases, which would be quite unpopular
[15:00] <penguin42> I guess so
[15:00] <shauno> the bit that does confuse me is 9 months rather than 12.  it'd seem more straightforward to just say "we support current and current-1"
[15:01] <penguin42> yeh indeed, I mean if it was 12 at least they'd both end at the same time rather than in reverse order
[15:03] <penguin42> at the moment there is incentive for non-open stuff to skip raring, since if they have something working on Q they know it will outlast raring
[15:41] <celesteh> Is there a way that a script could be invoked automatically every time the display changes geometry?
[15:41] <SuperMatt> I wonder if upstart will be able to manage that now it can do userspace stuff
[15:43] <celesteh> ah, thanks for the lead. this looks promising
[15:43] <SuperMatt> I can't promise anything though
[15:44] <SuperMatt> so I installed ubuntu on my grandad's PC. One thing I though that was obviously a plus: being able to change the size of the launcher so that the icons were big enough for him to see clearly
[15:45] <SuperMatt> did a lot of things too, like make all the fonts bigger
[15:45] <SuperMatt> I've also opened ssh up to me so I can fix things remotely
[15:45] <penguin42> yeh getting that stuff right is important
[15:45] <brobostigon> SuperMatt: gnome3 has such an option, to enlarge everything.
[15:46] <SuperMatt> sure sure
[15:46] <brobostigon> SuperMatt: it does, in accessability settings.
[15:46]  * brobostigon point at the option, ---->
[15:46]  * SuperMatt nods
[15:46] <brobostigon> points*
[15:46] <SuperMatt> I'm going with unity because it's what I know better
[15:47] <SuperMatt> but if he doesn't like it, he can call me and I can put anything I like on there :D
[15:47] <brobostigon> i havent used unity a huge amount, so no idea with that.
[15:48] <SuperMatt> interesting, my grandad has had the pc on for half an hour and he hasn't called me in a mad panic
[15:49] <brobostigon> :)
[16:06] <jacobw> brobostigon: Have you tried Cinnamon?
[16:06] <brobostigon> jacobw: i have not, i dont think it is packged for debian sid.
[16:07] <jacobw> I'm not sure either
[16:08] <jacobw> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/main/cinnamon
[16:08] <brobostigon> ah, there you go,
[16:09] <brobostigon> !info cinnamon experimental
[16:09] <brobostigon> !info cinnamon unstable
[16:09] <penguin42> it's in raring as well I think
[16:10] <jacobw> There's occasional problems with incompatibilities betweenn Cinnamon and GNOME where the Cinnamon fork of a program requires a particular version of something from GNOME
[16:10] <Esor> Hi. I'm experiencing a weird issue. Everytime I press FN audio volume control buttons It goes up or down to maximum and then it freezes unity and I've to reset my pc.
[16:11] <jacobw> I don't think there's any current problems in Debian, there's was some problems in Arch recently but the Cinnamon developers fixed their forks to work with the new version of GNOME
[16:12] <brobostigon> jacobw: wjats the difference anyway. and dont tell me, it is just the gui thats different, as that doesnt bother me.
[16:14] <jacobw> It's a replacement of GNOME's shell with a traditional desktop emulating shell and forks a fork of Nautilus called Nemo
[16:14] <jacobw> s/forks//
[16:15] <brobostigon> ok, so they making an emulation of the more traditional gnome2 like gui?
[16:15] <penguin42> jacobw: I've used Mate a lot - they did the fork from Gnome2 and renamed stuff
[16:16] <jacobw> It's analogous to MATE, where MATE is fork of GNOME 2 using GTK 2 and Cinnamon is a fork of GNOME 3 using GTK 3.
[16:22] <Myrtti> I personally don't see the point of MATE at all. XFCE4 would in most cases serve the purpose of it
[16:23] <ali1234> yeah unless you like to be able to adjust the volume on your computer
[16:23] <ali1234> or have more than one window not-minimized at the same time
[16:24] <Myrtti> I'm running xfce4 right now and I don't have problems with either of those things
[16:24] <ali1234> !wfm
[16:24] <Myrtti> ali1234: you do realise that that factoid works both ways
[16:24] <Myrtti> just because something doesn't work for you, doesn't necessarily mean it's broken for everyone
[16:25] <jacobw> It depends on your use case in both cases.
[16:25] <mungbean> my only problem with xfce was lack of compositing
[16:25] <Myrtti> incidental evidence of something (not) working doesn't mean it's universal
[16:25] <ali1234> bug 1085752
[16:26] <Myrtti> mungbean: oh? that's weird, I've had compositing in XFCE4 for years
[16:26] <mungbean> xcompmgr?
[16:27] <ali1234> xfce has compositing, but it does not do anything useful so you might as well turn it off, because compositing is slow
[16:27] <ali1234> yu can use compiz with xfce if you want functional compositing, but then you get things like this happening: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4byH8Pxp0oE
[16:27] <Myrtti> mungbean: it's in window manager tweaks
[16:28] <mungbean> so would plank/docky work ok with it?
[16:28] <Myrtti> well yes, you can't do much with it, but my personal experience on compositing is that it has a limited amount of usefulness with it anyway
[16:29] <ali1234> bug 1130388
[16:29] <Myrtti> (my main use being that I can see the analogue clock widget behind my terminal window)
[16:31] <ali1234> xfce also lacks any kind of ubuntu integration - ie U1, indicators etc
[16:31] <Myrtti> anyway, sorry I interrupted your discussion with my anecdotal opinion. Clearly you didn't need or want it.
[16:31] <ali1234> then again mate does too so there's not much difference there
[16:33] <celesteh> !info stylus
[16:33] <ali1234> yeah you're right. it was silly of me to point out facts when you're busy handing out opinions backed by nothing at all
[16:34] <Myrtti> ali1234: yeah sorry I don't have a bug report of "my xfce4 works fine, this is an outrage"
[16:35] <jacobw> We've just been through this WFM thing :|
[16:35] <Myrtti> yeah, and I equally mentioned that it works both ways, the fact that some people experience problems with a piece of software doesn't invalidate the fact that some people might not have those issues.
[16:36] <Myrtti> but I'm absolutely fine with people running MATE too.
[16:36] <jacobw> Well, that's why we have triaging and bug reports.
[16:36] <jacobw> It's hard to triage something that works.
[16:37] <celesteh> Not to wade into a fine flamewar here, but xfce is frequently used by ubuntustudio types who do use sound and multiple apps at the same time.  although not pulse audio so much....
[16:37] <Myrtti> I personally don't (have to) understand why people develop or use it, but I also can't stop them and whatever they do doesn't have any effect in my usage of it.
[16:37] <Myrtti> meh
[16:37] <ali1234> i feel the same way about XFCE actually
[16:37] <penguin42> Myrtti: There are a few things I missed in Xfce that Gnome2 had, and for people who had a nice working Gnome2 setup that they just wanted to stick with it works nicely
[16:37] <Myrtti> my usage or non usage of it.
[16:37] <ali1234> it is slightly better than MATE but not enough to justify it's existence
[16:38] <Myrtti> I clearly need more tea, I can't even think straight. I've already caught myself butchering my native language twice today
[16:38] <ali1234> ultimately they are both based on outdated gtk2 which is the reason so much stuff is broken with them
[16:40] <Myrtti> ali1234: true. It's really annoying when I don't like Gnome Shell, KDE or Gnome2 that much, and have a limited amount of options for anything else. Unity was alright, but it was so buggy that I kinda resorted to the last known working option, which for me was XFCE4 and GTK3
[16:41]  * penguin42 hasn't had problems with stuff being broken with Mate
[16:43] <jacobw> GNOME 2 is a huge project to maintain
[16:43] <penguin42> nod
[16:43] <ali1234> so is XFCE if you want it to have all the same features
[16:43] <penguin42> jacobw: The big problem is when things like udisks2 happen and you get other major system changes
[16:44] <ali1234> until they get around to porting it to gtk3
[16:44] <jacobw> See how Project Trinity worked out with KDE 3, I think Cinnamon is much more likely to suceed because it's a set of changes on top on an active project
[16:44] <Myrtti> Yeah, I can see Cinnamon living, but in my eyes MATE is a dead end
[16:45] <penguin42> jacobw: Yeh although it depends on how close they can get it to matching the Gnome2 feel - when I first tried it it was still missing things enough to annoy me
[16:45] <jacobw> If they maintain compatibility with the latest version of GNOME, which they've already stated is not high on their agenda, then I think they can provide an alternative in the long term.
[16:45] <ali1234> if you just want gnome2 feel then just carry on sing gnome-panel, it still works fine
[16:45] <penguin42> ali1234: It's not just about gnome-panel
[16:46] <Myrtti> I thought that was axed too
[16:46] <ali1234> no, someone took over maintaining it
[16:46] <Myrtti> cool
[16:46] <ali1234> penguin42: what's missing then?
[16:47] <penguin42> ali1234: It's a while since I've used it; but from what I remember the gnome-panel that was there was less flexible than the gnome2 one, and things like what you could put on your background were different, and a load of other layouts, behaviours of nautilus etc - enough for it still not to 'feel' like Gnome2
[16:48] <ali1234> gnome-panel 3 is slightly less flexible but most f the changes are good, ie they fixed the "applets move around" bug
[16:48] <ali1234> you can still put applets anywhere you want pretty much, but now they are grouped left/middle/right so they don't move on resize
[16:48] <jacobw> Was that bug tracked by GNOME?
[16:48] <ali1234> yes
[16:49] <ali1234> the panel background thing... you can still do that afaik
[16:49] <ali1234> nautilus is a different problem, it has been forked a couple of times if you don't like the changes
[16:50] <penguin42> ali1234: The nice thing with Mate is it's just the same as Gnome2, so if you have it the way you like - however that is - then you can stick the same
[16:50] <ali1234> even the new nautilus is better than the xfce file manager though
[16:52] <jacobw> I was annoyed to find Files was worse then Nautilus when I tried Raring yesterday.
[16:52] <ali1234> File *is* Nautilus
[16:52] <jacobw> I know
[16:53] <ali1234> i made a ppa with the full date patch btw: https://launchpad.net/~a-j-buxton/+archive/nautilus
[16:53] <jacobw> Nautilus ends, Files begins.
[16:53] <jacobw> Thanks :)
[16:53] <ali1234> that's really the only thing i don;t like about the new look
[16:55] <penguin42> the problem is every few releases they add something nice and remove something you really liked/relied upon
[16:59] <ali1234> i've also made a ppa for notify-osd fixes since the guy who normal maintains it hasn't updated for raring yet
[17:00] <jacobw> Somehow, despite everything. I still like Unity.
[17:01] <ali1234> i kind of like some of it
[17:01] <jacobw> Mainly because I don't have to use the mouse at all with the shell, and the HUD, the terminal and Vimperator :)
[17:02] <ali1234> i fail to see the logic of running a gui and then not using the mouse to control it
[17:02] <jacobw> I still want use GUI elements, I just don't want to select them with a mouse.
[17:03] <ali1234> first thing i do in unity is unbind all it's keyboard shortcuts
[17:03] <ocean22> Hi guys.
[17:03] <ocean22> Not sure if this is an ubuntu problem and I can post this up here. Guide me to the right place if it must be at some other places please.
[17:03] <ocean22> I am using ubuntu 13.04 with mozilla firefox as the web browser (default version on ubuntu 13.04). I have noticed that firefox stop streaming some media content around 15 to 20s (that is after playing the add) but keep saying “buffering” but would never play it again. I had this issue with previous versions of ubuntu but google chrome browser was spared but seems its chromium broswser (installed from repo) is affected on ubuntu
[17:03] <ocean22>  13.04.
[17:03] <ocean22> but intrestingly, youtube has never been affected and still not. i ahvent done anything apart from installing ubuntu restricted extras to start playing youtube videos.
[17:03] <ocean22> please see a link to one of the websites where it happens
[17:03] <ocean22> http://www.manoramanews.com/cgi-bin/...d=14&BV_ID=@@@
[17:03] <ocean22> please guide me and any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
[17:04] <ali1234> i reproduced this problem ^
[17:04] <ali1234> it's probably a fault with flash
[17:05] <ocean22> ali1234, tx is there any fix that u could think off.
[17:06] <ocean22> ?
[17:06] <ali1234> not really no
[17:06] <ali1234> you could try using chrome
[17:06] <ali1234> however, it doesn't install properly on 13.04 at the moment
[17:06] <ali1234> otherwise i would have tested with it too
[17:07] <ocean22> ali1234, i have installed chrome for repo but has got the same problem.
[17:07] <ali1234> it should be fixed soon though
[17:07] <ali1234> chrome isn't in the repo, that is chromium, it is different
[17:07] <ali1234> chromium uses the same flash plugin as firefox
[17:07] <ali1234> chrome uses a different one
[17:07] <ali1234> actually, chromium can use the different one too, but it doesn't by default because it can't be shipped in ubuntu
[17:08] <ocean22> ali1234, oh I c. so the chromium and google chrome browser is that diffrent
[17:08] <ali1234> they aren't that different, they just use a different flash plugin
[17:08] <ali1234> you could try manually installing the chrome flash in chromium
[17:08] <ali1234> it's not easy though
[17:09] <ali1234> here are some instructions. i never tried this... http://www.webupd8.org/2012/09/how-to-make-chromium-use-flash-player.html
[17:09] <ocean22> ali1234, oh okay. can i install google chrome broswer at present on ubuntu 13.04. good to know chromium and google chrome is diffrent
[17:10] <ali1234> if you try to install google chrome on 13.04 today you get an error about missing dependencies. it should be fixed soon
[17:10] <ali1234> you can work around it in various ways
[17:14] <ocean22> is that an easy fix, any link if u have! i can wait if thats too complicated for a noob. tx for the help
[17:40] <sara> hello
[17:40] <bootkigftrgds> hi sara
[17:42] <sara> i have a k53u asus pc with this hardware: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5613127/ and  ubuntu 13.04 as the ubuntu version, and for the past few releases Bluetooth has not worked. I tried reinstalling Ubuntu and Bluez
[17:43] <sara> however bluetooth still does not work
[17:43] <redtape> popey, sara needs yur help (sorry I can't help sara).. Anyone else feel-free to pitch in ..
[17:44] <redtape> sara, it may take a couple of hours to get a proper response .. (go make a cuppa tea ).
[17:44] <brobostigon> sara: does it show in lspci/dmesg ?
[17:45] <sara> brobostigon, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5613127/ lspci
[17:45] <sara> as already linked
[17:45] <brobostigon> moment,
[17:46] <Myrtti> redtape: why ping him, he's across the world probably busy getting over the jetlag. It seems silly to poke a specific person when the whole channel has possibility of being of help. He's not omniscient or omnipotent.
[17:46] <redtape> ok fine.
[17:47] <brobostigon> sara: i see no bluetooth device there, do you have it disabled somehow? like in bios or some hw control.?
[17:47] <sara> Hw Control?
[17:47] <sara> what is that
[17:47] <brobostigon> sara: like a kb button?
[17:47] <brobostigon> or similer.
[17:47] <brobostigon> to turn it on or off.
[17:48] <brobostigon> sara: also check in your bios, it might be turned off there.
[17:48] <penguin42> is bt normally pci - or is it usb?
[17:49] <Myrtti> I'd just do sudo lshw
[17:49] <Myrtti> and pastebin that
[17:49] <sara> Please can i make a request
[17:49] <brobostigon> lshw, good idea.
[17:49] <brobostigon> sara: fire away.
[17:50] <redtape> i can do song request, not much else ^_^
[17:50] <sara> If it is not essential then can we avoid abbreviations
[17:50] <sara> I have severe Dyslexia
[17:50] <brobostigon> ok, sorry.
[17:51] <sara> I can try "sudo lshw"
[17:54] <sara> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5613170/
[17:54] <sara> redtape,  brobostigon  Myrtti
[17:56] <brobostigon> sara: is it built in or usb?
[17:56] <sara> Its inside the laptop and has worked with Windows. I no longer have Windows
[17:58] <Myrtti> I just realised I don't get my bluetooth listed with lshw either
[17:58] <sara> brobostigon, http://www.asus.com/Notebooks_Ultrabooks/K53U/ this
[17:59] <brobostigon> sara: have a browse on launchpad.net/ubuntu under bugs, and try and find your laptop model, it seems like it either doesnt recognise it at all, or it is disabled somehow.
[17:59] <sara> brobostigon, i tried it on every edition of ubuntu since 11.04
[17:59] <sara> nothing.
[18:00] <sara> it is the same story on my eeepc
[18:00] <brobostigon> sara: exactly, it might be a direct bug in the kernel or similer, hence i am suggesting uo utry and find if it has already been reported as a bug, and if there is a solution mentioned.
[18:06] <ali1234> bluetooth is nearly always usb even when internal
[18:06] <ali1234> lshw does not list usb devices
[18:07] <sara> i have been looking for a while, heck i reported it several times and still the same old story my bug reports are not useful, i guess i need a hand submissting a good bug report
[18:07] <ali1234> pastebin lsusb please
[18:10] <sara> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5613221/ ali1234
[18:11] <ali1234> line 435 is your bluetooth device
[18:13] <sara> ok
[18:13] <dwatkins> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+question/194654 might be relevant, but I don't know how to use rfkill.
[18:13] <brobostigon> ali1234: thats interesting, that internal bluetooth adaptors show as usb. i have never had an internal one, only external. good to know.
[18:14] <dwatkins> sara: "rfkill list" might show some useful information
[18:14] <ali1234> sara: please pastebin output from hciconfig -a
[18:30] <sara> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5613314/ dwatkins
[18:31] <sara> ali1234, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5613319/
[18:31] <dwatkins> sara: interesting, it implies there are two bluetooth interfaces, unless I'm reading it wrong; neither appear to have been disabled in hardware, however, so it's not Windows' fault.
[18:31] <sara> i am using a ubuntu only system
[18:32] <dwatkins> I wondered if Windows had disabled the device at firmware level last time you booted it before reinstalling with Ubuntu, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
[18:33] <sara> i installed bluetooth manager as bluetooth was not working
[18:34] <dwatkins> interesting, AMD list their 'maiden name': Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI
[18:34] <directhex> dwatkins, for grep usage, i guess
[18:35] <ali1234> sara: pastebin output of dmesg please
[18:37] <sara> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5613338/
[18:37] <sara> ali1234,
[18:38] <ali1234> sara: is your wireless working?
[18:39] <sara> yes
[18:40] <ali1234> bug 1041883
[18:41] <bigcalm> Good evening peeps :)
[18:42] <sara_> i pinged out as i changed my connection from lan0 to wilan
[18:42] <sara_> i am using wilan now and its working
[18:43] <sara_> @ ali1234
[18:43] <ali1234> sara_: try reseting bios default
[18:44] <sara_> ?
[18:44] <sara_> ali1234, i am unsure what you mean
[18:45] <ali1234> this person has same problem: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/pipermail/ilugc/2012-September/073438.html
[18:45] <ali1234> never got an answer
[18:45] <sara_> X53U not a K53U
[18:45] <sara_> Mine is a K53U
[18:46] <ali1234> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1056546 same person
[18:46] <ali1234> sara_: yes but it's the same bluetooth module and identical symptoms
[18:47] <ali1234> ah, a known bug: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42932
[18:48] <ali1234> well the good news is we can fix i
[18:48] <ali1234> the bad news is you need to rebuild the kernel
[18:50] <sara_> ali1234, what???
[18:50] <sara_> that sounds scary
[18:50] <sara_> i am a newbie and like simple
[18:51] <ali1234> i need to check which kernel versions have the patch
[18:51] <sara_> ali1234,  i amscared of doing that
[18:52] <ali1234> why?
[18:52] <Myrtti> well there might be a kernel ppa
[18:52] <Myrtti> or something
[18:52] <ali1234> Myrtti: that's why i need to check which versions have the patch (if any)
[18:52] <sara_> Myrtti, ppa pleeeeaaaaaasssssseeeeeee
[18:52] <Myrtti> sorry, dinnertime :-/
[18:53] <sara_> Myrtti, where are you?
[18:53] <sara_> if in glasgow come over i can cook
[18:53] <sara_> :)
[18:53] <sara_> lol
[18:53] <moreati> can we assume this patch will make it into the main repo? Sara are you able to wait a few months?
[18:53] <sara_> i waited 2 years
[18:53] <sara_> i am not exagerating either
[18:53] <ali1234> moreati: it might already be there?
[18:54] <ali1234> moreati: for that matter, the patch might be *causing* this issue
[18:54] <ali1234> i will know more when i finish cloning the source
[18:54] <moreati> ali1234: then I misunderstooding the situation, I withdraw the question
[18:55] <ali1234> the patch is more likely to get accepted if more people complain about it
[18:55] <moreati> misunderstooding? Clearly I've drunk too mcuh/too little tonight
[18:55] <ali1234> or, if it's breaking things, to get reverted
[18:55] <ali1234> if the patch isn't in ubuntu now it's unlikely to show up before 13.10
[18:56] <ali1234> first step however, is testng against the mainline ppa
[18:56] <ali1234> but need to know which versions to test
[18:59] <sara_> I am really frustrated. I have waited for YEARS. still nothing and have filed NUMERIOUS bug reports and its effecting/affecting others not just me... still nothing. I have used Ubuntu since hardy heron...
[19:00] <penguin42> sara_: Well there's no point in filing lots of bugs - 1 will do if it gets sorted!
[19:00] <penguin42> sara_: But it's difficult with hardware specific bugs
[19:01] <directhex> ultimately bug reports themselves don't get sorted, unless developers are idle. canonical's developers are overworked and burned out.
[19:01] <directhex> so stuff gets triaged
[19:01] <penguin42> especially for hardware bugs that the devs don't necessarily have access to
[19:01] <penguin42> directhex: It's universally true for all devs I think
[19:02] <sara_> every time i file a bug its dismissed as incomplete
[19:02] <penguin42> directhex: There are interesting problems of what you do when you have more bug reports than you can possibly handle; true on almost every large project I know of; of course all the critical 'breaks for everyone' bugs get fixed first, but then everything else is difficult to do
[19:02] <ali1234> sara_: don't worry about it, it wouldn't have got fixed anyway
[19:02] <penguin42> sara_: Ah well unless you followed up and provided the information they would, they go to incomplete unless you can provide the info
[19:02] <penguin42> sara_: The point is you move a bug back from incomplete to new once you provide the info
[19:03] <ali1234> i mean someone has reported it properly and provided a patch and it *still* isn't fixed
[19:03] <sara_> http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/201110-9891/
[19:03] <sara_> it's certified hardware
[19:04] <dwatkins> I don't see the bluetooth adapter on there, unfortunately.
[19:04] <sara_> "Network
[19:04] <sara_>     Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller
[19:04] <sara_> Network
[19:04] <sara_>     Atheros Communications Inc. AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express)"
[19:04] <sara_> not the same thing?
[19:05] <ali1234> unfortunately no
[19:05] <dwatkins> those are the physical network (RJ45) port, and the wifi adapter
[19:06] <ali1234> i did ask whether certification includes all hardware once, i can't remember if i got an answer
[19:06] <dwatkins> sara_: do I understand correctly that if you switch to wifi, the bluetooth works?
[19:06] <ali1234> i think bluetooth is an optional component in that laptop anyway
[19:06] <ali1234> dwatkins: no
[19:07] <dwatkins> oh ok, sorry
[19:07] <sara_> ali1234,  dwatkins nope
[19:07] <ali1234> it looks like the model they tested didn't have the bluetooth option
[19:08] <dwatkins> I'm too defeatist - I'd be tempted to just go buy a USB bluetooth adapter until it's fixed, but I appreciate that doesn't help solve the actual problem.
[19:08] <ali1234> i'll be reading kernel source for a bit now, don't go away please
[19:09] <ali1234> hmm ok, that patch is absolutely not in any mainline kernel as of today
[19:13] <sara_> ok
[19:15] <ali1234> now building a kernel with the patch...
[19:17] <ali1234> oh great unity is spazzing out
[19:17] <ali1234> black windows, expose not working... it's like 12.04 all over again
[19:18] <sara_> ping me when i am required
[19:56] <ali1234> sara_: do you have a 32 bit or 64 bit install?
[19:57] <sara_> 32 bit (due to Bankid working on 32 bit only)
[19:57] <sara_> but the problem is the same on 64 bit
[20:18] <MonsterKiller> anyone know anything about an application called Xinetd?
[20:19] <MonsterKiller> it seems to be running on my VPS and i have no idea why
[20:19] <brobostigon> !info xinetd
[20:20] <shauno> I'd take a look at /etc/xinetd.conf and see what services are in it.  that'd likely give you a clue as to what's pulled it in
[20:21] <MonsterKiller> it just has "includedir /etc/xinetd.d
[20:21] <MonsterKiller> " and in that folder theres 5 files: chargen, daytime, discard, echo and time
[20:21] <shauno> I believe those are disabled by default
[20:23] <MonsterKiller> the thing is. A while back some hacker/bot used a security floor in a cms i was running and uploaded their own php scripts. I then noticed my vps was being used to send tons of spam email through sendmail. I removed sendmail to save myself for a while. I removed all the files i could find that they uploaded. but i just installed sendmail again and it was already trying to send tons of spam emails
[20:23] <MonsterKiller> idk what or how its being done
[20:24] <MonsterKiller> i've checked web server access logs and theres nothing there
[20:24] <MonsterKiller> so they aint spamming a form or anything that uses php to send mail
[20:24] <MonsterKiller> idk what to do now :<
[20:25] <ali1234> bug 1174054
[20:25] <dwatkins> a paranoid sysadmin might reinstall after a break-in, but I appreciate that's no simple task
[20:25] <shauno> I hate to say it, but Sigourney Weaver usually has the best idea there.  nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure
[20:25] <MonsterKiller> yeah might have to to stop this but didnt really fancy having to re-install all the things
[20:25] <dwatkins> indeed, you can't be sure there's not some script hiding for some date in the future
[20:25] <MonsterKiller> and set them up xD
[20:26] <dwatkins> can you not restore the state of the OS from backup?
[20:27] <MonsterKiller> i dont have a backup of it >.<
[20:27] <dwatkins> ah
[20:27] <MonsterKiller> my vps provider doesnt offer any tools to do it
[20:27] <ali1234> reinstall it
[20:27] <diddledan_> if you truly have discovered all the "bad" files then I would suggest that the emails were already in the queue when you uninstalled sendmail and reinstalling just caused sendmail to carry on where it had left off
[20:27] <ali1234> this time, at the very least keep a log of every command you do during configuration
[20:27] <shauno> it's a bit blunt, I'd be tempted to "apt-get -s remove xinetd" (-s is 'simulate', but don't use sudo so you can trust nothing will happen).  if xinetd was installed legitimately, what dependencies that wants to remove would be a good clue
[20:28] <shauno> if nothing depends on it, or it claims it isn't installed, I'd pull a o_O face
[20:28] <MonsterKiller> it only lists the xinetd package
[20:29] <MonsterKiller> to be removed
[20:30] <shauno> yeah.  that'd leave me questioning why it's there.  especially if you can't find anything that rings a bell in xinetd.conf / xinetd.d
[20:30] <dwatkins> it could be a entirely different binary masquerading as xinetd
[20:31] <MonsterKiller> /var/spool/mqueue has a HUGE list of things
[20:31] <MonsterKiller> \o/
[20:31] <dwatkins> is there a way to check the md5 of every binary on the system against what it should be, given the patchlevel of each package?
[20:31] <dwatkins> hmm, so it's being used to send spam?
[20:31] <shauno> !info debsums
[20:31] <MonsterKiller> it was
[20:31] <diddledan_> if it is running and listening on the network then `sudo netstat -anp | grep xinetd` might reveal something
[20:32] <MonsterKiller> they uploaded their own php scripts using an exploit in a cms
[20:32] <ali1234> standard
[20:32] <ali1234> that script will generally take over the entire system given a chance
[20:32] <MonsterKiller> "unix  2 [ ] DGRAM 3979059610 31856/xinetd"
[20:33] <shauno> if I was slightly more miserly, I'd claim that's what php is for :/
[20:33] <ali1234> you must reinstall this system
[20:33] <ali1234> most ISPs will not allow you to reconnect it to the internet until you do so
[20:35] <shauno> I'd have to agree.  I'd take this as a chance to rebuild with a careful eye this time. figure out some backup method (even if it's just rsync to a home box), make note of what processes you expect to see running/listening, etc
[20:35] <shauno> start over with the benefit of hindsight and a lesson learnt
[20:35] <dwatkins> or make the system virtual and save a snapshot
[20:36] <ali1234> or use rsnapshot
[20:37] <ali1234> backing up the whole system is fairly pointless though, as you might not know exactly when it was compromised
[20:38] <dwatkins> true, I was just thinking of the initial setup
[20:38] <shauno> backup's a bit of a bandaid anyway, because rolling back doesn't close whatever door they came in through
[20:39] <shauno> but obviously being in a situation where you'd rather leave the box exploited and running because the lack of backups is in the way of a rebuild, is much worse
[20:41] <daveyg> hi all
[20:42] <MonsterKiller> makes me sad :<
[20:42] <daveyg> anyone fancy helping me out on a simple ubuntu issue?
[20:43] <daveyg> .
[20:44] <daveyg> did this connection just drop?
[20:44] <dwatkins> nope
[20:44] <dwatkins> what's up, daveyg?
[20:45] <daveyg> battling with ubuntu xstart stuff.
[20:46] <daveyg> changing screen kills the view i know there is a way to change res from cli but i cant remember or find the right words to get google to tell me
[20:46] <MonsterKiller> i think they were just using a php script to send mail, but now i've removed them theres just a huge back log of mail to send
[20:46] <MonsterKiller> need to find out how to properly clear it
[20:47] <dwatkins> daveyg: I've not edited the Xorg.conf in a long time, isn't this kind of thing all done from the GUI nowadays?
[20:48]  * dwatkins edited the XF86Config once upon a time, before the name change
[20:48] <daveyg> not if your cards not supported.
[20:48] <dwatkins> ah ok, time to run X --probeonly and look at the Xorg.0.log, I guess
[20:49] <daveyg> cool ill check that out.
[20:49] <dwatkins> MonsterKiller: I have a horrible suspicion that spam is illegal in some jurasdictions, I assume you won't be just allowing it to send all the mail.
[20:50] <MonsterKiller> no, i stopped sendmail as soon as i saw it started to send more mail
[20:51] <MonsterKiller> i just need to clear the queue, but if i sudo rm -f * in /var/spool/mqueue it doesnt error or anything but there queue still remains
[20:51] <dwatkins> I don't remember where, but I think the actual mail queue is elsewhere.
[20:51] <MonsterKiller> oh
[20:51] <MonsterKiller> 9178 files in mqueue
[20:51] <MonsterKiller> :<
[20:52] <dwatkins> *sadface*
[21:01] <MonsterKiller> managed to empty mqueue small blocks at a time xD
[21:07] <dwatkins> I assume you'll be reinstalling and enforcing usage of WordFence or its equivalent, eventually, MonsterKiller.
[21:07] <MonsterKiller> wordfence?
[21:08] <dwatkins> it tells you when there are updates for or issues with Wordpress and its plugins
[21:08] <MonsterKiller> i didnt use wordpress, they were using php fusion iirc
[21:09] <dwatkins> perhaps there are equivalents, if not, migrate them
[21:09] <MonsterKiller> there was a security update for it so i installed that straight after
[21:10] <dwatkins> you're more likely to get exploited by someone discoving what holes a patch fixes and abusing the fact you havn't patched the system, than you are to get got by a 0day bug.
[21:10] <MonsterKiller> afaik sendmail wasnt configured correctly anyway, i was getting http://pastebin.com/P8NBFp8c
[21:10] <MonsterKiller> so im hoping no mail was actually sent
[21:10] <MonsterKiller> :p
[21:10] <dwatkins> haha
[21:10] <dwatkins> we can but hope
[21:10] <dwatkins> looks like it
[21:12] <sara_> but the problem is the same on 64 bit ali1234  (i apparently didnt send this) in reference to the bluetooth thing
[21:12] <dwatkins> sara_: is the main issue that you can't get bluetooth to work on this laptop?
[21:15] <sara_> on asus pc's they dont work
[21:15] <ali1234> dwatkins: there's a patch for the bug. i am trying to build 32 bit kernel on 64 bit machine, it isn't easy unfortunately
[21:15] <dwatkins> sara_: oh right, I was wondering if using a USB bluetooth dongle would be an acceptable workaround
[21:15] <dwatkins> oh cool, ali1234
[21:16] <sara_> dwatkins, 33p for pasta is expensive. :/ a usbdongle looks like the royal septer
[21:16] <sara_> dwatkins, thanks for the suggestion
[21:17] <ali1234> the pound shop sells perfectly good bluetooth dongles actually
[21:18] <ali1234> does anyone know how i'm supposed to bump the version on the kernel git debian.master/changelog?
[21:18] <shauno> it's funny.  these days, when people say "the pound shop", my first thought is dealextreme
[21:18] <dwatkins> wow, they're even the small ones http://www.poundland.co.uk/product-range/a-z/bluetooth-usb-dongle/
[21:19] <ali1234> yes
[21:19] <ali1234> and they work fine
[21:20] <ali1234> hmmm i' going to have to set up a 32 bit VM for this
[21:20] <ali1234> the chroot method just doesn't work
[22:10] <ali1234> hmm i think it's actually building