[00:01] <Unit193> xubuntu243: Please keep this family friendly, and English.  There's a support channel in French if you need.
[00:32] <Guest57820> hello
[00:36] <lderan> hello Guest57820
[00:36] <Guest57820> is there a suggested resource website for xubuntu that you all like so i dont have to bother you with dumb questions?
[00:37] <heoyea> yea google
[00:39] <lderan> https://help.ubuntu.com/community might be a place to have a look around
[00:41] <lderan> if you can't find what you're after on there then feel free to ask on here :)
[00:45] <Guest57820> >google
[00:45] <Unit193> http://docs.xubuntu.org/ too?
[00:45] <Guest57820> i lold
[00:54] <Guest57820> what programs do you guys like for html, css, and javascript?
[00:54] <ruien> vim? :/
[00:55] <Guest57820> yeah i downloaded that
[00:55] <Guest57820> i heard it was only for your /g/ick though
[00:56] <ruien> "/g/ick" ?
[01:01] <Guest57820> techno-dick
[01:01] <Guest57820> like e-peen
[01:02] <ruien> no, vim is probably the best raw text editor that exists. You can't rely on always having a GUI environment available, and you'll appreciate having one thing that works everywhere.
[01:03] <ruien> another option under Xfce is to install Geany; it's a good editor too. Less functional but still good.
[01:06] <anonymous_> does anybody eklse have problems with skype?
[01:09] <ruien> Just as a data point, I'm still on 12.04, but skype is running flawlessly here.
[01:10] <anonymous_> ah
[01:10] <anonymous_> im on 13.04
[01:11] <anonymous_> and i need to type this stuff in the terminal to make it ork
[01:11] <anonymous_> LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/mesa/libGL.so.1 skype
[01:11] <anonymous_> is there some work around for this you might know about?
[01:11] <anonymous_> i just installed gnu/linux today
[01:14] <ruien> hmm, "type this in the terminal" -- create a wrapper bash script
[01:16] <ruien> for example http://dpaste.com/1076150/
[01:16] <ruien> and use that to launch skype when you run it
[01:19] <anonymous_> how?
[01:20] <ruien> well, it's just a text file, but in linux you can run a text file like a program
[01:20] <ruien> so set it to be executable (run `chmod 755` on it)
[01:21] <anonymous_> it gave me a linux programmers manual
[01:21] <ruien> then you can just run it (for example, as "./my_skype_starter_script" or by double-clicking on it from inside Xfce)
[01:21] <ruien> erm, what is "it"?
[01:21] <carrera> Greetings All!  :)
[01:21] <ruien> hello
[01:22] <carrera> hope everyone is having a good weekend so far
[01:22] <anonymous_> >no command run found
[01:24] <ruien> sorry man, but you're going to need to ask better questions to get help
[01:25] <carrera> I would like to install 13.04 from USB
[01:25] <ruien> okay, are you upgrading an existing system, or wiping the system and installing it fresh?
[01:25] <carrera> Do I have to use the UUI?
[01:26] <carrera> currently I'm running ubuntu 12.04
[01:26] <carrera> I think it's better to wipe it out
[01:26] <carrera> but I would like to keep my partitions
[01:26] <ruien> I'm not sure what you mean by "UUI", but if you're okay with wiping out your system, then that's the easiest way to do it
[01:26] <carrera> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/
[01:27] <ruien> first, create your bootable USB disk. I like to use the "unetbootin" program for this, and you can "apt-get install unetbootin" if you don't have it.
[01:27] <carrera> seems like it only runs on windows
[01:27] <carrera> great, thanks ruien !  :)
[01:27] <carrera> that's what I was looking for
[01:28] <carrera> ruien, would u just upgrade or wipe out the system?
[01:28] <carrera> I've never upgraded before
[01:28] <ruien> Certainly. That will create your USB startup disk, and then you boot from that, and you can choose "custom partition format" and manually edit your partitions
[01:28] <ruien> i'm on 12.04 too, and i'm currently wondering the same thing myself ;) I think it's best to wipe out the system personally, i just have a lot of production stuff.
[01:29] <carrera> :)
[01:29] <ruien> i was going to wait for 14.04 but 13.04 is really compelling -- the ubuntu and xubuntu teams did a great job it seems. It feels smoother and faster, without being annoying
[01:29] <carrera> same dilemma!
[01:29] <carrera> cool
[01:29] <carrera> are u running ubuntu 12.04 or xubuntu?
[01:30] <ruien> xubuntu 12.04
[01:30] <carrera> ok
[01:30] <ruien> one thing I did notice though -- when you boot from the USB, it does give you the option to upgrade to 13.04 right from the installer.
[01:31] <carrera> would the dreaded unity stay around if I upgrade from Ubuntu 12.04 to Xubuntu 13.04?
[01:31] <ruien> no, xubuntu is just Xfce. But i'm not sure that the installer will let you upgrade directly in such a case
[01:32] <ruien> it might; i've never tried it.
[01:32] <carrera> ok
[01:32] <ruien> another thing, by the way
[01:32] <ruien> you can always do partition management manually too. Just boot to the USB, but don't install xubuntu yet. Instead, open a terminal as root and run "gparted" to open the partition editor.
[01:32] <carrera> I know Xubuntu only comes with the Xfce DE. That's why I'm switching to it
[01:32] <ruien> indeed
[01:33] <ruien> curiously though, my wife loves unity and didn't like Xfce :(. Go figure
[01:33] <Dr^Fets> you can install any de , it's all in the sources
[01:33] <Dr^Fets> by default it installs xfce of course
[01:35] <carrera> I never liked Unity to begin with but, then, I found out zeitgeist records my every move in sqLite
[01:37] <carrera> I even tried to installed Ubuntu 12.04 Server + Gnome in order to do without Unity
[01:37] <ruien> haha
[01:38] <carrera> little did I know that I had install Unity to be able to boot into X
[01:38] <carrera> I really liked Gnome2
[01:38] <carrera> and I thought Gnome Fallback was Gnome 2
[01:38] <ruien> if you do like gnome, there's now an ubuntu gnome project, and gnome 3 now has a classic mode interface, though i haven't tried it personally. This is different than the old "fallback mode".
[01:38] <carrera> again, little did I know it was Gnome 3 trying to look like Gnome 2
[01:39] <carrera> ruien, thank u sir, I didn't know that
[01:39] <ruien> it's relatively new
[01:39] <carrera> I did a bit of research and I thought the best way for me was to install Xubuntu and then install MATE
[01:40] <carrera> that way I don't inherit the Gnome 3 bloat
[01:40] <ruien> that should work. But you might end up liking Xfce - try it a bit.
[01:40] <carrera> I have pretty decent hardware, it just that I don't like bloat
[01:40] <ruien> the first thing I do of course is to rearrange the DE how i like it, removing the pop-up-menu in the bottom, etc. And yes, i'm the same -- good hardware, on a desktop, but i despise bloat too.
[01:41] <carrera> ruien, I agree with u sir. from 99 to 05, I worked on Sun Spark workstations running fvwm or xvwm
[01:42] <ruien> haha, no kidding
[01:42] <ruien> i was on linux at intel but we also used fvwm there too
[01:42] <carrera> yup!  :)
[01:43] <carrera> ruien, let's chat on offtopic before we p... people off
[01:43] <ruien> righto
[04:31] <aiena> I can send bluetooth data from my phone to xubuntu but I cant send data from xubuntu to my phone via bluetooth any solution for it ?
[04:44] <swan1> Hello.  I am running mythbuntu 12.04.2, w/mythtv .26 and have configured audio so that it is sent to my tv via HDMI. Unfortunately, if I leave the system idle for a while (>1h) audio no longer works.  If I reboot, it works again.  How do I fix the audio issue?  I have also disabled screen blanking, so I don't think that is involved.
[04:52] <aiena> hmm
[04:52] <aiena> audioo no longer works but the system remains on ?
[04:54] <swan1> yes
[04:56] <swan1> aplay fails to send sound via hdmi
[04:57] <swan1> aiena, sorry, should have used your name for formatting :)
[04:58] <aiena> which version
[04:58] <aiena> the thing is mythbuntu is different from xubuntu !! Havent run it live myself
[04:58] <aiena> but will try to help
[05:00] <aiena> swan1: give me a little time to investigate
[05:00] <swan1> aiena, from what i can tell, mythbuntu is ubuntu + xfce + mythtv + a few other things ???
[05:01]  * aiena nods
[05:01] <aiena> it seems like it
[05:01] <aiena> from the looks of it !! I'll just dig in a bit give me some time :)
[05:01] <aiena> which mythtv version are you using
[05:02] <aiena> 0.26 ?
[05:02] <swan1> so, this seemed like a fair place to ask :), any help is very welcome
[05:02] <swan1> yes
[05:02] <swan1> though i'm not sure that mythtv is implicated
[05:03] <aiena> hmm it seems like a bug in the interaction of mythtv with pulseaudio which is default in xubuntu
[05:04] <aiena> maybe try another sound manager
[05:05] <swan1> aiena, i'm using ati/amd  proprietary drivers.
[05:05] <aiena> one sec
[05:05] <aiena> maybe its the other bug
[05:05] <aiena> not mythtv related
[05:05] <aiena> you can try
[05:06] <aiena> if it works it works otherwise just remove it
[05:11] <aiena> swan1: I am guessing your ATI cards audio manager is managing the audio through your HDMI port
[05:14] <aiena> swan1: can you type aplay -l and pastebin the output
[05:15] <swan1> ok....
[05:21] <swan1> aiena: http://pastebin.com/va3q53C6
[05:21] <swan1> fyi, audio is not working right now
[05:23]  * aiena is looking
[05:23] <aiena> I think I may know your problem but I'll try ro tackle it from multiple angles
[05:24] <aiena> maybe GRUB needs to be altered too
[05:24] <aiena> lets see
[05:25] <swan1> ok
[05:26] <aiena> we can first try setting the ATI cards HD Audia device as default and see if that solves the problem
[05:26] <aiena> but in your case  I can know only after one hour
[05:26] <aiena> so thats a long time.
[05:27] <aiena> SO will prepare a text document and tell you what are the alternatives
[05:27] <aiena> and with a gulp of hope
[05:27] <aiena> either or both together should work
[05:27] <swan1> ok
[05:29] <aiena> swan1: do you have laefpad as your text editor
[05:30] <aiena> what is your preferred text editor
[05:30] <swan1> no, i'm using gedit
[05:31] <aiena> ok
[05:31] <swan1> vi? vim?
[05:31] <aiena> swan1: for the shorter solution
[05:31] <swan1> :)
[05:31] <swan1> <- old scool
[05:31] <swan1> school even
[05:32] <aiena> just see of radeon.audio=1 (inside the quotes next to "quiet splash") is there in  GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT line in /etc/default/grub.
[05:32] <aiena> if it is not there then add it
[05:33] <aiena> next to "quiet splash"
[05:33] <swan1> i doubt it, just read a ref to that arg
[05:33] <aiena> then run sudo update-grub
[05:33] <aiena> another good option
[05:34] <swan1> ok, sec, it's on the system in another room
[05:34] <aiena> would be to wait untill later when the more experienced linux nerds like GridCube pop in on xubuntu
[05:34] <aiena> *#xubuntu
[05:39] <aiena> swan1: I have a better idea
[05:40] <aiena> just join #ubuntu-mythtv those guys will be in a better position to help in your case :)
[05:40] <aiena> i.e. if my fix does not work.
[05:44] <swan1> aiena that was not in grub, i've added it. as to #ubuntu-mythtv, #ubuntu and #xfce I've tried for days to get someone to respond.  all i get is "try a different group"
[05:45] <aiena> sigh
[05:45] <aiena> those guys are lol
[05:45] <aiena> It happens on irc in certain channels
[05:45] <aiena> cant do anything about it
[05:45] <aiena> If this doesnt solve your problem you can hop back on in about 6 hours
[05:46] <aiena> and catch hold of Gridcube and the others
[05:46] <swan1> well, it's not an easy one to debug unless you;ve seen it
[05:46] <aiena> they will be in a much better position probably
[05:46] <aiena> Yes
[05:46] <aiena> the biggest issue
[05:46] <aiena> is that i dont use any ati cards
[05:46] <aiena> only nvidia cards
[05:46] <aiena> because they are better for CG
[05:46] <aiena> my hobby
[05:47] <swan1> i prefer nvidea too, but this was in the mini-computer box
[05:48] <swan1> at least they didn't tell me to defrag my hard drive :(
[05:58] <aiena> :)
[05:59] <aiena> kk
[05:59] <aiena> have to reboot !!
[05:59] <aiena> Got to hate gparted sometimes hehe
[06:08] <swan1> aiena, that did not work.  some docs related this issue to the monitor being turned off.  After rebooting, I checked that audio worked, then turned the monitor off & on and audio was gone
[06:09] <swan1> http://voices.canonical.com/david.henningsson/2012/04/14/audio-over-hdmi-and-displayport-in-ubuntu-12-04/
[06:10] <swan1> mind you i only have the 1 hdmi monitor
[06:11] <aiena> ah monitor off and on
[06:11] <aiena> try disconnecting and reconnecting the hdmi port
[06:11] <aiena> also
[06:11] <aiena> I think this may not be related to anything
[06:11] <aiena> does your computer go to slepp too ?
[06:11] <aiena> *sleep
[06:12] <aiena> or is it just swtiching off and on your monitor that causes it
[06:12] <swan1> that link doesn't help much as i don't have a sound settings dialog
[06:12] <aiena> well then remove it and again run
[06:12] <swan1> no
[06:12] <aiena> sudo update-grub
[06:12] <aiena> audio was working before that too
[06:12] <aiena> so that line is not needed
[06:12] <aiena> tbh
[06:13] <swan1> turning the monitor off & on breaks the audio
[06:13] <aiena> ok
[06:13] <aiena> then mythtv and xubuntu may not be at fault at all
[06:13] <aiena> it may just be H/W
[06:13] <aiena> lol
[06:13] <swan1> hw and/or drivers
[06:14] <aiena> but does the video come back after you turn on your monitor
[06:14] <swan1> no
[06:15] <aiena> ok great
[06:15] <swan1> audio works ....power cycle the monitor (TV) ...audio never works again until a reboot
[06:15] <aiena> the inof you gave is illuminating
[06:15] <aiena> wait but video works ?
[06:15] <aiena> after power cycling the monitor
[06:16] <swan1> yes, video works
[06:16]  * aiena scratches chin
[06:16] <aiena> swan1: try disconnecting the hdmi cable from your pc
[06:16] <aiena> then turning on your monitor first
[06:16] <aiena> and reconnecting the cable and see
[06:17] <swan1> looks like this is intentional in 12.04 as per the above link
[06:17] <aiena> you could try 13.0.4
[06:17] <aiena> its out and has lots of fixes
[06:17] <aiena> i am using 12.0.4 because of LTS
[06:18] <aiena> probably the same reason you are using it
[06:18] <swan1> but mythbuntu 13.04 isn't
[06:18] <aiena> I am testing 13.0.4 soon to see if my graphic tablets work on linux
[06:18] <aiena> swan1: it probably isnt
[06:18] <aiena> hmm can you try a live distro of xubuntu
[06:19] <aiena> and run video playback switch off and on your monitor
[06:19] <aiena> and see if the same issue
[06:19] <aiena> happens
[06:19] <aiena> then we can narrow down possible reasons for faillure
[06:19] <swan1> more of a pain as i'd have to add and configure all the mysql & myth stuff
[06:20] <aiena> no
[06:20] <aiena> just run a plain video file
[06:20] <aiena> .mp4 or anything
[06:20] <aiena> with vlc
[06:20] <swan1> oh, just to test
[06:20] <aiena> or something
[06:20] <aiena> and see if the monitor does not play sound on the live distro
[06:20] <aiena> after a monitor power cycle
[06:21] <aiena> and use 112.0.4 LTS
[06:21] <aiena> as a control variable
[06:21] <aiena> for the test
[06:21] <aiena> *12.0.4 xubuntu
[06:21] <swan1> isn't 13.04 going to be lts too?
[06:21] <aiena> no
[06:21] <aiena> its a dev release
[06:21] <aiena> stable but only 9 month support
[06:22] <aiena> before intermediate releases had 18 month support
[06:22] <aiena> but recently they shifted over to shorter 9 month support cycles
[06:22] <swan1> oh, i though the .04's were LTS
[06:22] <aiena> the next LTS will be 14.0.4
[06:22] <aiena> not necessarily
[06:22] <swan1> urf
[06:23] <aiena> 9 month release cycles are awful compared to the earlier 18 month cycle
[06:23] <aiena> *9 month support
[06:23] <aiena> sorry
[06:23] <aiena> not release cycles - bah
[06:23] <aiena> also now the new ubuntu's wont fit on CD's anymore
[06:24] <aiena> so its either a DVD or a bootable USB
[06:24] <aiena> though bootable USB is the best for most cases
[06:24] <aiena> because of the format option.
[06:24] <swan1> i use usb anyway, boots and installs much faster
[06:25] <aiena> yes :)
[06:25] <aiena> I prefer the guale terminal over the standard terminal though
[06:25] <aiena> its so handy
[06:25] <aiena> *guake
[06:26] <aiena> anyways try with 12.0.4 and see
[06:26] <aiena> if not wait for 13.-.4 mythbuntu probably the bugs will be fixed then
[06:26] <aiena> alternatively
[06:26] <aiena> see of there is a ppa or something with latest versions of software
[06:27] <aiena> 12.0.4 comes with pretty outdated packages forcing me to update software seperately
[06:27] <aiena> e.g. kvirc 4.2 was launched a year ago
[06:27] <aiena> but xubuntu still has 4.1.1 which is buggy
[06:27] <aiena> lol
[06:27]  * aiena lmao
[06:28] <swan1> heh
[06:30] <swan1> well, you've given me a couple of options to try.  i'll work on those in the coming days
[06:30] <swan1> thanks muchly.  Night
[06:31] <swan1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/1001842
[06:35] <xubuntu262> anyone here?
[06:41] <aiena> hi
[06:53] <swan1> aiena, updated the drivers to post release and the audio is working after tv power cycle, so that may have fixed it.
[06:53] <aiena> great
[06:54] <aiena> so my suggestion to update worked
[06:54] <aiena> hooray
[06:54] <aiena> Glad its solved
[06:54] <aiena> sorry I couldnt be more resourceful :P
[06:54] <swan1> i'm going to leave the change to grub
[06:54] <aiena> well it wont hurt
[06:54] <aiena> removing or keeping it
[06:55] <aiena> so might as well keep it :)
[06:55] <swan1> night
[06:55] <aiena> night
[06:55] <swan1> thnx again
[06:55] <aiena> your welcome
[08:10] <carrera> ruien, unetbootin is stock at 50% on file 208 of 408
[08:10] <ruien> hmm, that's strange. what is your usb drive formatted as, and how big is it?
[08:11] <carrera> going now
[08:11] <carrera> fast too
[08:11] <carrera> done
[08:11] <ruien> ok, good
[08:11] <baizon> well, i don't recommend netbootin. Had many problems with it, linuxliveusb did it for me
[08:11] <carrera> donno what it was formatted with but it's 3.7 GB
[08:12] <carrera> my sister gave it to me, it's a cheap promo for her Day Care Centre
[08:12] <ruien> i've never tried linuxliveusb - thanks baizon, if I ever have trouble in the future, i'll look into it. However, unetbootin has always worked for me.
[08:12] <ruien> i prefer USB drives <= 4GB for this, just to avoid possible hardware issues
[08:13] <carrera> smaller or larget than 4 GB?
[08:13] <ruien> less than or equal to 4GB
[08:13] <carrera> great, I've a 3.7 GB
[08:13] <carrera> UNetbootin is asking me to Reboot Now
[08:14] <ruien> right, just close it and use it to boot whichever machine you're workin on
[08:14] <carrera> but before I do that, can I tell u a little about my hardware and what I think I might have problem with
[08:15] <ruien> what issue were you seeing again, specifically?
[08:16] <carrera> I've a Toshiba Qosmio X500, 18.4" display, nVidia M360, 2 x 480 GB SanDisk SSD
[08:17] <carrera> 1. I've RAID 0 and in the past I had to use the alternate ed
[08:18] <ruien> hm, yeah, how's the RAID card support - do you need vendor-specific drivers for it
[08:19] <carrera> 2. The Nouveau driver never works so I have to get the nVidia-current drivers from the cmd line
[08:19] <ruien> not anymore, now you can "apt-get install nvidia-experimental-310"
[08:20] <carrera> 3. I only have wireless access, so does the installer have to recognize my wireless card to complete the install
[08:21] <ruien> (waiting for you to say 'done')
[08:21] <carrera> I don't think so, Ubuntu 12.04 server just saw them and gave me an option to config RAID
[08:21] <carrera> sorry, done!
[08:22] <carrera> I might have one more concern but I'll ask if I remember
[08:22] <ruien> okay, unfortunately i can't help much with raid, you will need to ask someone else. I have only set up raid under CentOS before.
[08:22] <carrera> okay, thanks anyway
[08:22] <ruien> however, if you don't need a vendor-specific driver, that's a good start
[08:23] <carrera> as for q 2, I'm actually running nvidia-experimental-310 right now
[08:23] <ruien> for 2.) I think the "nvidia-experimental-310" package should work for you.
[08:23] <ruien> yes, you didn't need to do anything special for that, right?
[08:23] <ruien> it's in the repos
[08:23] <carrera> I went for instead of nvidia-current-290 cause it was newer
[08:23] <carrera> no, I didn't
[08:24] <ruien> okay, and for 3.) you don't need internet access at all to install xubuntu. Actually, i normally purposely disconnect from the internet, so it doesn't try to do updates while installing.
[08:25] <ruien> Then, i update everything after it's installed.
[08:27] <carrera> I get a screen similar to this http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/_detail/ecran_pixelise.jpg?id=toshiba_qosmio_x500
[08:28] <carrera> then I had to reboot into cmd line and install the nvidia driver
[08:29] <ruien> hm, i've never seen anything like that
[08:29] <carrera> Good idea for 3. Thanks ruien!
[08:29] <carrera> I get it every time
[08:29] <carrera> there is a better pic on the net but I couldn't find it
[08:29] <ruien> maybe different cards. I have a GeForce GTX 460
[08:30] <ruien> and never had an issue
[08:34] <carrera> I think mine is an M360
[08:38] <carrera> ruien, please take a look at this page  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1727944
[08:39] <ruien> sure
[08:41] <ruien> carrera: wow, that's no fun. Okay, i've read the page, and you anticipate you'll get that same problem with xubuntu 13.04, yes? If so, you just cancel the installation?
[08:49] <carrera> ok
[08:49] <carrera> that's what I had to do every time since I got this laptop I think
[08:50] <carrera> actually, I don't I had a problem in the beginning
[08:51] <carrera> I think it started when they went with the Nouveau drivers
[08:52] <carrera> going to give it a try now
[08:52] <carrera> wish me luck!
[08:55] <ruien> good luck man.
[09:07] <carrera> all that planning for nothing
[09:08] <ruien> :( ?
[09:08] <carrera> there was no option for USB in my BIOS but when I rebooted with the usb flash and hit F12 to enter the boot menu, there was a new option for USB at the bottom
[09:08] <carrera> so that's good news
[09:09] <ruien> hm, okay, so you were able to boot from the USB then
[09:09] <carrera> but I got that stupid messed up screen twice on Try Xubuntu without install
[09:09] <carrera> and also when I just went for Install Xubuntu
[09:09] <carrera> I checked the integrity of the package and that was fine
[09:10] <carrera> basically, I wouldn't even be able to install
[09:10] <carrera> this is stupid
[09:10] <carrera> why did the get rid of the alternate edition
[09:11] <carrera> at least, previously I could use the alternate edition to install and then apt-get the nvidia-current package
[09:11] <carrera> now, there's nothing I can do, cause the only option is a full graphics installation
[09:12] <ruien> hm, you mean ubuntu itself doesn't have the alternate?
[09:12] <ruien> usually in this case you would install ubuntu, then "apt-get install xubuntu-desktop" or something
[09:12] <carrera> I thought they would have, but it looks like they got rid of it too
[09:13] <ruien> oh, i didn't know that, i thought ubuntu always had the alternate (and of course sideline distributions like xubuntu wouldn't). That's weird
[09:13] <carrera> a few days ago I asked about the xubuntu alternate edtions here and someone told me now the desktop detects RAID
[09:14] <ruien> hm, that's cool, i wonder why your video card has such issues
[09:14] <carrera> but I'm not sure if I asked about the Nouveau driver problem
[09:14] <ruien> right, what you need is to use a real driver right from the start, because when it tries to use the opensource drivers, it blows up
[09:14] <carrera> and I figured xubuntu had decided to do without the alternate
[09:15] <carrera> at the time I thought it was a good idea to have less versions
[09:15] <ruien> i agree with it for everything but just the mainline ubuntu alternate, i did think that one was useful
[09:15] <carrera> plus, I thought Ubuntu would keep the alternate ed
[09:15] <ruien> yes, that.
[09:16] <ruien> i am not sure what to tell you now, because i'm not sure how to force the installer to use a proprietary driver or to install via the command-line/ncurses
[09:16] <carrera> but when I checked on April 25th, there wasn't a 13.04 alternate in either repo
[09:19] <knome> xubuntu doesn't have alternate images after 12.04
[09:19] <carrera> knome, that's right
[09:19] <carrera> but it looks like ubuntu doesn't either!  :(
[09:19] <knome> there's always the minimal iso, and lubuntu has alternates
[09:19] <knome> true, they dropped them as well
[09:20] <carrera> there u go
[09:20] <carrera> I was about to check again
[09:20] <carrera> how do u know lubuntu keeps the alternate?
[09:21] <knome> i talked with the lubuntu developers
[09:21] <carrera> cool
[09:21] <carrera> are u a xubuntu dev?
[09:21] <knome> i'm the xubuntu project lead
[09:21] <carrera> wow...
[09:21] <baizon> carrera: hes the boss!
[09:21] <carrera> Hello sir!
[09:22] <knome> hello :)
[09:22] <carrera> damn
[09:22] <ruien> I was not aware of that either. Great to meet you, long-time xubuntu user myself.
[09:22] <carrera> hope I haven't been a pain during the short time I've been coming here
[09:22] <knome> nope
[09:22] <knome> ruien, hello you too :)
[09:22] <carrera> Mr. knome, thanks for all your hard work
[09:23] <knome> no problem - it's not only me who's working it!
[09:23] <carrera> I especially liked the blue desktop
[09:23] <carrera> well, until it crashes
[09:23] <knome> heh
[09:23] <carrera> Mr. Knome, sorry, I meant you and the team!
[09:24] <Noskcaj> knome, just agree and enjoy being a God for a while
[09:24] <Noskcaj> :)
[09:24] <knome> Noskcaj, nah, that's not how you run foss projects :P
[09:24] <Noskcaj> true, but wouldn't it be fun?
[09:24] <knome> not for me, but maybe somebody could enjoy that
[09:24] <carrera> Free and Open Source S???
[09:25] <Noskcaj> software
[09:25] <carrera> Mr. Noskcaj, thanks!  :)
[09:25] <Noskcaj> carrera, you don't need to call us Mr.
[09:25] <carrera> I'm gonna treat everyone here with utmost respect now
[09:25] <carrera> u never know who u run into here!  ;)
[09:26] <carrera> everyone is so humble
[09:26] <Noskcaj> carrera, if you want to help with the developement let us know
[09:26] <carrera> Noskcaj, thank u for your confidence sir but, trust me, u don't want me! :))
[09:27] <Noskcaj> we do, anything you can do is useful
[09:27] <carrera> Noskcaj, really? but I'm not very good
[09:27] <carrera> Noskcaj, I would love to help
[09:28] <knome> !contribute
[09:28] <knome> hmm...
[09:28] <knome> that's outdated!
[09:28] <Noskcaj> knome, do you have a link to that magazine article for joining the team, that could work better
[09:28] <carrera> Mr. Noskcaj, are u one of the devs too?
[09:29] <knome> !contribute
[09:29] <Noskcaj> carrera, a tester, i've only contributed code for testdrive
[09:29] <knome> !contribute
[09:29] <knome> ubottu, ding
[09:29] <knome> !contibute
[09:29] <knome> meh
[09:29] <carrera> is testdrive a test suite?
[09:29] <knome> !contribute
[09:29] <knome> better.
[09:29] <Noskcaj> carrera, testdrive is a program we made to make testing ubuntu easier
[09:30] <carrera> cool
[09:30] <knome> Noskcaj, it essentially has the same information except it doesn't dig to details
[09:30] <Noskcaj> ok
[09:30] <carrera> who is updating ubottu?
[09:30] <knome> i did
[09:31] <carrera> Mr. knome,  may I suggest "To see how you can help out with Xubuntu, please see "
[09:31] <carrera> a comma and please
[09:32] <Noskcaj> carrera, you are the most overly polite person i've ever met ;)
[09:32] <knome> done.
[09:32] <carrera> Thank you Mr. Noskcaj
[09:32] <Noskcaj> carrera, :) the link you want is http://xubuntu.org/contribute/
[09:33] <Noskcaj> oops, hadn't seen knome had it working
[09:33] <knome> carrera, no need to keep up that level of formality, unless you really really insist ;)
[09:33] <carrera> years ago a very nice man I went to college with said that I'm a gent and gents are hard to find
[09:33] <Noskcaj> knome, can you update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Leaders
[09:34] <Noskcaj> also, still missing a documentation lead?
[09:35] <Noskcaj> there's not even a reference to elfy on it
[09:35] <knome> yes and no. with the current situation, i don't know if we need one. if we do, i have ideas for that (people who have been much help)
[09:35] <knome> Noskcaj, let's continue in #xubuntu-devel
[09:35] <knome> carrera, ^ feel free to join if you want to help out
[09:35] <Noskcaj> ok
[09:35] <carrera> Noskcaj, great,   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Leaders answers my next question
[09:36] <carrera> I was gonna ask who else here is on the team
[09:36] <knome> carrera, that's the whole team: https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-team
[09:36] <aiena> knome: how do you exit vi ?
[09:36] <knome> carrera, it's lacking a few though at the moment
[09:36] <knome> carrera, or this to be more exact: https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-team/+members#active
[09:37] <carrera> aiena, shift zz
[09:37] <carrera> aiena, shift + :, then q
[09:37] <aiena> thanks
[09:37] <aiena> carrera:
[09:38] <carrera> sorry, I should have said shift zz saves changes but shift : q doesn't
[09:38] <aiena> ok
[09:38] <carrera> aiena, shift : wq saves changes too
[09:38] <aiena> well vi is greek to me !!
[09:39] <aiena> sometimes it pops up in terminal when I dont want it to :P
[09:39] <carrera> really?
[09:39] <carrera> how?
[09:39] <aiena> e.g. if checkinstall fails because by mistake I left synaptics open
[09:39] <carrera> oh, ok
[09:40] <carrera> well, please feel free to ask and I'll try to help as much as I can
[09:41] <aiena> thanks !! carrera
[09:42] <carrera> Mr. knome, what is ^ used for?
[09:42] <knome> carrera, to simply point to the previous message :)
[09:42] <carrera> I didn't see it when I used to come to IRC about 6 years ago
[09:43] <carrera> at the very location or just in general
[09:43] <TheSheep> it's just an arrow up
[09:43] <TheSheep> treat it as ↑
[09:43] <carrera> TheSheep, thank u sir!
[09:44] <carrera> TheSheep, have I seen u on ubuntu before?
[09:44] <carrera> err, #ubuntu
[09:44] <aiena> carrera: using sir on irc is a bit odd. Its an unusual feeling.
[09:45] <carrera> aiena, IRC is odd!  ;)
[09:46] <aiena> Well in a "world of strangers in a strange world" evberyone is equal in general. So Its odd.
[09:46] <carrera> honestly, I was the last person to join the my teams local IRC around 01 or 02
[09:46] <carrera> I thought we all sat next to each other and so why not just talk
[09:46] <carrera> but then I fell in love with it
[09:47] <carrera> aiena, are u one of the devs too?
[09:47] <knome> !ot
[09:47] <aiena> no I am a new user having fun with xubuntu I dev on other projects but not in terms of code
[09:48] <aiena> I am a CG hobbyist. SO make game models and the like. But only for OS atm.
[09:48] <carrera> Mr. knome, thanks for the reminder
[09:48] <aiena> carrera: mind moving to offtopic ?
[09:48] <carrera> aiena, I'm there already
[09:49] <carrera> oh, sorry, I forgot I rebooted
[09:49] <aiena> nope you arent
[09:49] <aiena> ok now you are ;)
[09:49] <carrera> aiena, I already said, "sorry, I forgot I rebooted"
[09:51] <aiena> oopsy - sorry carrera didnt read it (:
[09:52] <carrera> aiena, np
[09:52] <Bacon> sup,why can't I chagne screen resolution to lower after I installed nvidia proprietary drivers?
[09:53] <Bacon> is there any workaround?
[09:56] <knome> Bacon, use the nvidia-settings-manager to do tha
[09:56] <knome> *that
[09:59] <Bacon> umm,where can I find that?
[10:01] <knome> Bacon, it should be installed with the drivers, if not, see the package nvidia-settings-YOURVERSION
[10:01] <knome> Bacon, then press alt+f2 and run 'nvidia-settings'
[10:01] <Bacon> I only got nvidia x server settings,and it won't let me change resolution there either
[10:02] <knome> Bacon, in the "X Server Display Configuration" tab, there's an option to change the resolution
[10:02] <Bacon> yeah,to auto and my max resolution
[10:02] <knome> right
[10:03] <knome> what happens if you press "detect displays" ?
[10:03] <Bacon> but I need to enable to change to lower resoltutions because I have poor performance in some games on max resolution
[10:03] <Bacon> nothing
[10:03] <Bacon> I had the same problem in Mint
[10:04] <knome> do you have /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[10:04] <Bacon> yeah
[10:04] <Bacon> I got it opened
[10:05] <knome> if not else, you should be able to add modes/resolutions there
[10:05] <knome> !xorg
[10:06] <knome> Bacon, the last link should give you ideas how to get started
[10:06] <Bacon> yeah,thanks for the help
[10:06] <Bacon> I guess I should have googled more,sorry for the inconvinience
[10:09] <knome> no problem
[10:09] <knome> once you add the modelines, the resolutions should appear in nvidia-settings too, btw
[10:09] <knome> (so you don't need to use xrandr... unless you want to)
[10:12] <TheSheep> nvidia supports xrandr now?
[10:12] <TheSheep> that's great
[10:12] <knome> at least it works for me if the modes are correctly set
[10:12] <knome> (and yes, i've been using nvidia for ages)
[10:28] <carrera> is there a xubuntu server?
[10:29] <carrera> if there was, I could install it, then install the proprietary nvidia drivers and then install Xfce
[10:30] <bazhang> server has no X by default
[10:31] <lderan> you can setup xfce on it
[10:32] <lderan> if you're looking for a way to manage the server then webmin maybe worth looking at
[10:32] <bazhang> well not webmin, zenytal
[10:32] <bazhang> !webmin
[10:32] <bazhang>  /msg ubottu ebox for more info
[10:32] <lderan> ah okay
[10:33] <knome> bazhang, weird that the webmin factoid doesn't have any pointers...
[10:33] <bazhang> knome, iirc it used to, that is odd indeed
[10:49] <JennyBlueBird> Hi guys, I got an issue with xlock failing with a "Bad Match" error message
[10:51] <JennyBlueBird> and just as I ask for help I realise I need the xlockmore-gl package , nvm :)
[11:05] <nyuszika7h> hi, is there any way I can tell xfce4-terminal to strip trailing spaces?
[11:22] <rusman> how can i change my xfce4-terminal cursor from block size to underline?
[11:25] <TheSheep> I don't think you can
[11:25] <rusman> TheSheep why?
[11:25] <TheSheep> no reason
[11:26] <cfhowlett> rusman, because there's no indication in preferences that you can .
[11:26] <TheSheep> nyuszika7h: I don't understand, strip white spaces from what?
[11:27] <cfhowlett> rusman, not that you can select 3 different terminal emulators in Settings>Preferred Applications
[11:27] <rusman> cfhowlett oh cool thanks
[11:28] <elfy> rusman: yes you can
[11:28] <elfy> or should be able to - http://ifacethoughts.net/2009/09/28/cursor-shape-in-xfce-terminal/
[11:28] <rusman> elfy it does not work
[11:29] <rusman> elfy it does not work until i selected xfce4 terminal in Settings>Preferred Applications
[11:29] <elfy> so it doesn't - might have been helpful to say you'd tried it :)
[11:29] <rusman> like cfhowlett say
[11:29] <elfy> cool
[11:30] <TheSheep> works for me
[11:30] <TheSheep> elfy: thank you, that's pretty cool!
[11:30] <matt_symes> added !!. I'll just edit my conf  file
[11:30] <elfy> hi matt_symes
[11:31] <elfy> matt_symes: but #xubuntu-devel is where the dev talk is
[11:31] <matt_symes> adding that one as well :)
[11:34] <nyuszika7h> TheSheep: from the end of the copied text
[11:35] <TheSheep> nyuszika7h: you mean when selecting text?
[11:35] <nyuszika7h> yes
[11:37] <TheSheep> no idea :(
[12:25] <sirfraz> hi everyone, has anyone managed to get xubuntu running on a macbook air?
[12:25] <cfhowlett> sirfraz, why not install ubuntu then add the xfce4 desktop environment?
[12:27] <sirfraz> thats what I was thinking because ubuntu has the amd64+mac iso, I was just hoping to avoid having unity+gnome bloat. Loks like that will be the way to go though, thanks :)
[12:28] <sirfraz> *Looks
[12:28] <baizon> sirfraz: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookAir
[12:28] <cfhowlett> sirfraz, also see lubuntu
[12:29] <sirfraz> thanks guys
[12:39] <holstein> !minimal | sirfraz
[12:44] <bool> so where has my sound settings dialog gone after upgrading to 13.04 ?
[12:45] <sirfraz> holstein/ubottu: thanks guys, that looks perfect
[12:46] <holstein> bool: i would just install/try pavucontrol
[12:46] <holstein> !info pavucontrol
[12:52] <bool> not working
[12:52] <bool> tried to reinstall
[12:52] <holstein> bool: pavucontrol is not working?
[12:52] <bool> no
[12:53] <holstein> tried to reinstall what?
[12:53] <bool> pavucontrol
[12:55] <bool> i'll try to reboot just in case
[13:11] <pbl_> Im having some problems with the flashplayer. It is impossible watching videos on youtube. I installed a fresh copy of xubuntu today, maby 30 minutes ago. Is there something wrong with the new plugin?
[13:13] <MrHotsauce> have you tried a different browser pbl_ ?
[13:13] <TheSheep> !flash | pbl_
[13:14] <pbl_> MrHotsauce, I have not.. Wich one do you recomend? I am currently using firefox, and i would like to make it work there.
[13:15] <MrHotsauce> i do believe google chrome has a built in flash player i know mine works currently
[13:15] <MrHotsauce> not chromuim mind you
[13:15] <MrHotsauce> chromium*
[13:17] <pbl_> MrHotsauce, i will give it a try, but i am using an old computer. do you recon i would be better off buying a new one?
[13:19] <pbl_> MrHotsauce, im using this computer because the other one i had, broke down. i think it is maby 5 or 6 years old
[13:19] <MrHotsauce> my computer is pretty old its handles chrome fine
[13:31] <pbl_> what is the name of xubuntus filemanager?
[13:31] <pbl_> for running it in terminal?
[13:31] <cfhowlett> pbl_, thunar is the default
[13:31] <cfhowlett> pbl_, but nautilus is the alternate
[13:56] <nantou> how do I split cue files?
[13:57] <cfhowlett> nantou, cue?
[14:01] <pbl_> MrHotsauce, i have tried installing chromium now.. it does not work there either..
[14:01] <pbl_> MrHotsauce, is it possible that my computer is too old for the new ubuntu systems?
[14:02] <pbl_> MrHotsauce, i read somewhere that not all old hardware are supported by the new linux versions..
[14:13] <nantou> how do I convert cue to mp3?
[14:18] <drc> nantou: maybe http://onubuntu.blogspot.com/2010/10/splitting-cueape-files.html will help ?
[14:19] <drc> If that one isn't what you want, google gives 23 million hits on "cue to mp3"
[14:56] <aiena> knome: are you available ?
[14:56] <aiena> o/ knome
[15:06] <nicklasbo> Hi All. I've been running Xubuntu 13.04 Thursday, but today xfce4-session keeps crashing and returning me to the login screen. I can see others with xfce4-session bugs. Is the only solution to downgrade?
[15:07] <nicklasbo> *since Thursday..
[15:08] <ruien> not necessarily. I've seen that once under xfce 4.8 which was solved by reverting all of my xfce settings to default (after backing them up)
[15:08] <ruien> if you create a new user and log in as them, does it still crash?
[15:09] <nicklasbo> Good question, I will try it out :). BRB
[15:35] <dBLOOD> Hi people!
[15:35] <dBLOOD> Anyone familiar with weidu?
[15:54] <xubuntu795> :)
[15:55] <xubuntu795> i'm installing 13.04 right now
[15:56] <lderan> woo
[16:20] <nyuszika7h> sorry for cross-post, but still haven't got an answer... could someone please help me? my colors work fine in uxterm but not in uxrvt. screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/hyBn25l.png - Xresources: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5612728/
[16:35] <nicklasbo> ruien: Thanks for your tip earlier about resetting xfce settings. Xubuntu ran stable with another user. Is there a specific way to reset xfce settings, as the suggestions for Mint I have found on Google doesn't seem to be applicable.
[16:36] <ruien> well, all of the settings are in ~/.config
[16:36] <ruien> you sort of back that up and blow it away
[16:37] <nicklasbo> Ah ok, but jsut ~/.config/xfce4 right?
[16:37] <ruien> right
[16:37] <nicklasbo> Great, thanks again :)
[16:37] <ruien> good luck, and good night!
[16:59] <ball> hello nicklas
[16:59] <nicklas> Hi
[17:00] <nicklas> My systems kept crashing even after deleting all xfce settings, but runs fine under another user..
[17:24] <llldino> Hey guys, anyone else having issues suspending to rram?
[17:24] <llldino> ram*
[17:29] <xubuntu728> Hey guys, anyone having issues suspending to ram?
[17:37] <TheSheep> !repeat
[17:52] <ball> !wombat
[17:52]  * ball shrugs
[17:57] <well_laid_lawn> !bot | ball
[18:28] <alexandros_c> I am running xubuntu on a dell inspiron 9400 and xorg is taking up more than 70% of cpu cycles, can anyone help me figure out what is wrong?
[18:31] <beefsalad> greetings, just installed xubuntu and ssh'ed to my VPS where I irc from.  It seems the terminal is overriding my irssi settings somehow
[18:31] <well_laid_lawn> alexandros_c:  does X use that much when you first start up?
[18:32] <alexandros_c> yes, but it was always that way, the laptop is unsable now
[18:33] <xubuntu535> hello there , I just installed Xubuntu 12.10 from a CD,  1 boot  after installation it asked me do u want to upgrade to 13.10 , i said remind me later , because i wanted to upgrade before i go to sleep, now that I am ready to to upgrade .. i cant find option to upgrade... i went to settings -> software sources -> Update TAB and selected "Notify me about any version of Ubuntu (not just LTS)"
[18:34] <well_laid_lawn> alexandros_c:  have you made some changes the xorg setup i.e. made a xorg.conf?
[18:34] <alexandros_c> no
[18:34] <xubuntu728> 535 > Do sudo apt-get upgrade I believe
[18:34] <alexandros_c> have not touched it at all
[18:35] <beefsalad> xubuntu728: wouldin't it be dist-upgrade?
[18:36] <xubuntu728> Probably, what would be the point of upgrade then?
[18:36] <well_laid_lawn> alexandros_c:  have you installed the nvidia driver ?
[18:36] <beefsalad> to upgrade packages in the current release
[18:36] <beefsalad> dist-upgrade is for moving to the next release...
[18:36] <xubuntu728> That's update, isn't it?
[18:37] <beefsalad> that updates the package list
[18:37] <alexandros_c> well_laid_lawn: it is the ATI version
[18:37] <well_laid_lawn> ok
[18:37] <xubuntu728> Oh well, I guess you learn something new every day
[18:37] <alexandros_c> x1400 mobile
[18:37] <xubuntu728> While i've got a bucnch of you here, is anyone having issues suspending to ram or is it just me?
[18:38] <beefsalad> heh, my netbook didn't even try to suspend
[18:38] <xubuntu728> What do you mean?
[18:38] <xubuntu728> Dead command?
[18:39] <xubuntu535> So do i have to say following on terminal " sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" ?
[18:39] <xubuntu728> Sure, try that
[18:39] <xubuntu728> If it doesn't work, it'll tell you
[18:40] <xubuntu728> Maybe try "sudo apt-get install dist-upgrade" if it doesn't work
[18:40] <beefsalad> dist-upgrade isn't a command
[18:41] <beefsalad> it's a feature of apt-get, comes built in
[18:42] <xubuntu535> I ran " sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"  and it told me it will install linux kernal 3.5.0-28 and some other packages and then perhaprs it tried doing it failed by saying "Unable to lock directory /var/cache/apt/archives/"
[18:42] <beefsalad> kill update manager
[18:43] <xubuntu728> Better yet I would do it gui-less
[18:43] <xubuntu728> I had issues with xscreensaver and xlock running
[18:44] <well_laid_lawn> alexandros_c:  the only clue on the net I can find is to disable DRI in xorg.conf. What driver are you using for the vid card?
[18:44] <xubuntu535> killed update notifier
[18:44] <alexandros_c> how do you find that out, well_laid_lawn?
[18:45] <beefsalad> xubuntu728: lsof /var/cache/apt/archives should tell you whats locking
[18:45] <xubuntu535> @beefsalad : I Dont find the option in UI thats the problem :(
[18:45] <well_laid_lawn> alexandros_c:  I'd read the X log at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[18:45] <well_laid_lawn> alexandros_c:  you can paste it
[18:45] <well_laid_lawn> !paste
[18:46] <xubuntu535> i tried "lsof /var/cache/apt/archives" now after killing update notifier it showed nothing :)
[18:46] <xubuntu535> i guess i ma ready to go now ..
[18:47] <beefsalad> should be, may need to be root to do the lsof
[18:48] <xubuntu728> beefsalad: the list is blank
[18:48] <xubuntu535> i ran "sudo apt-get install dist-upgrade" now
[18:48] <xubuntu535> n got error saying "E: Unable to locate package dist-upgrade"
[18:48] <beefsalad> dist-upgrade isn't a package
[18:48] <beefsalad> just do a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:48] <xubuntu728> Yeah don't do install dist-upgrade
[18:48] <xubuntu728> Or was that for 535?
[18:49] <beefsalad> was for 535
[18:49] <xubuntu535> but 13.10 is released so if commadn was correct it should have go it , ok i will "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade " now thanks
[18:49] <bekks> xubuntu535: There is no such package.
[18:49] <bekks> xubuntu535: "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[18:49] <bekks> xubuntu535: 13.10 is released yet.
[18:49] <bekks> isnt.
[18:49] <bekks> 13.04 is.
[18:49] <beefsalad> may  have to update sources.list
[18:49] <bekks> beefsalad: No need to do so manually.
[18:49] <beefsalad> nice
[18:50] <xubuntu535> i updated the source list from UI and said show me all releases.
[18:50] <xubuntu535> sorry about 13.10 :)
[18:50] <beefsalad> http://xubuntu.org/upgrading/
[18:50] <bekks> xubuntu535: You dont have to touch the sources.list manually.
[18:50] <xubuntu728> You can give up and make a live cd if you want, the cd gives you the option to upgrade without losing shit
[18:51] <bekks> xubuntu728: Thats not true. A backup ensures you dont lose anything. A live cd doesnt do a backup automagically.
[18:51] <xubuntu535> i tried "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" but it again gave the same error "E: Unable to lock directory /var/cache/apt/archives/" then i tried "lsof /var/cache/apt/archives" but it dint show any result
[18:51] <bekks> xubuntu535: Then pastebin the output of the following command: sudo lsof | grep apt
[18:52] <beefsalad> xubuntu535: anything in /var/lock?
[18:52] <xubuntu535> 728 " i think thats better option than wasting time here n there ... thank you guys for your time
[18:52] <xubuntu728> Do backup though!
[18:52] <xubuntu728> I'm just assuming everyone does that reflexivley
[18:53] <bekks> xubuntu728: In fact, most people dont :)
[18:53] <xubuntu535> @beef : whoopsie
[18:53] <xubuntu728> That's a shame
[18:53] <alexandros_c> well_laid_lawn: is their a way to use paste.ubuntu.com from the commandline?
[18:53] <xubuntu728> First time a hard drive fails i'm sure they will start
[18:53] <xubuntu535> thx beef i will try from new DVD
[18:54] <beefsalad> that works too
[18:54] <bekks> xubuntu535: Thats more complicated then running the command I told you.
[18:54] <beefsalad> :/ no advice for preventing the terminal from overriding remote terminal settings?
[18:55] <beefsalad> my irssi screen session is all blue and depressing...I miss my reds and yellows
[18:56] <elfy> alexandros_c: use pastebinit,  sudo lsof | grep apt |pastebinit
[18:56] <xubuntu535> @bekks : thanks i tired that output was huge... letsdrop it u guys help some more needy people... my case ius not urgent ... i would do it from DVD
[18:56] <well_laid_lawn> alexandros_c:  try installing pastebinit
[18:56] <llldino> How long before I can repeat my problem without getting bitched at?
[18:56] <well_laid_lawn> !info pastebinit
[18:56] <llldino> I mean, no ones scrolling up through history
[18:57] <bekks> well_laid_lawn: He cant install things at the moment, so he cant install pastebinit.
[18:57] <bekks> !pastebin | xubuntu535
[18:57] <elfy> if it's xubuntu should be installed by default
[18:57] <well_laid_lawn> why not? in a tty sudo apt-get install pastebinit ?
[18:57] <bekks> well_laid_lawn: Because he gets: E: Unable to lock directory /var/cache/apt/archives/
[18:57] <well_laid_lawn> bekks:  ^
[18:58] <bekks> well_laid_lawn: ^
[18:58] <well_laid_lawn> bekks:  alexandros_c does?
[18:58] <bekks> well_laid_lawn: xubuntu535 does.
[18:59] <well_laid_lawn> bekks:  I was talking to alexandros_c ...
[18:59] <bekks> well_laid_lawn: Which wasnt clear without mentioning his name ;)
[18:59] <well_laid_lawn> dunno what the other dude is doing wasn't following
[18:59] <llldino> Well anyways..
[18:59] <bekks> xubuntu535: Did you create the pastebin yet?
[18:59] <elfy> alexandros_c: try using the command I gave you, pastebinit should be installed in xubuntu
[19:00] <llldino> Anyone else having trouble suspending to ram? The suspention works and when I try to re enable the processors fire up but my screen stays blank
[19:00] <xubuntu535> @bekks : yes http://paste.ubuntu.com/5613411/
[19:03] <bekks> xubuntu535: Close the software-center.
[19:03] <bekks> xubuntu535: After that, you wont get that error.
[19:03] <xubuntu535> @bekks : so what command should i try then ?
[19:03] <llldino> I think 535 is still going to run into issues with xscreensaver and or xlock
[19:04] <bekks> xubuntu535: Move your mouse and close the software center.
[19:04] <alexandros_c> well_laid_lawn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5613427/
[19:04] <xubuntu535> yeah closed software cetner
[19:04] <bekks> xubuntu535: Then try again now.
[19:05] <xubuntu535> which one "sudo apt-get install dist-upgrade"   ???
[19:05] <llldino> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:06] <bekks> xubuntu535: sudo apt-get install dist-upgrade didnt work as you told us. sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get dist-upgrade will work.
[19:07] <xubuntu535> tried sudo apt-get dist-upgrade   http://paste.ubuntu.com/5613436/
[19:07] <bekks> xubuntu535: Then run sudo lsof | grep apt again and pastebin it.
[19:07] <llldino> Maybe kill firefox and all other programs and try again
[19:08] <bekks> llldino: Firefoyx is irrelevant for his problem.
[19:08] <bekks> xubuntu535: Dont kill any programs.
[19:08] <xubuntu535> i ran "sudo apt-get update" and it started downloading stuff... but all from quantal ....not what i want 13.04... ok i will do that
[19:08] <bekks> xubuntu535: Dont do it.
[19:09] <bekks> xubuntu535: sudo apt-get update will update to the latest packages for quantal.
[19:09] <xubuntu535> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5613448/
[19:10] <bekks> xubuntu535: After successfully updating, and after creating your backup, you can use do-release-upgrade to upgrade to 13.04
[19:10] <well_laid_lawn> alexandros_c:  you're using the opensource radeon driver - might pay to try the proprietry one
[19:11] <well_laid_lawn> !ati | alexandros_c
[19:11] <bekks> xubuntu535: Your software-center is running again. Close it entirely.
[19:11] <xubuntu535> its a frashly formatted machine have not data .... i will try "do-release-upgrade"
[19:11] <xubuntu535> oops software sources was runnign now software center closed that also
[19:12] <bekks> xubuntu535: Now run sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade
[19:12] <alexandros_c> ok thanks will try it
[19:12] <xubuntu535> tried ddo release upgrade dint work http://paste.ubuntu.com/5613460/
[19:13] <xubuntu535> will try " sudo apt-get update" again
[19:14] <xubuntu535> it worjed this time , but it still seems to be upgrading packages from quatal
[19:15] <bekks> xubuntu535: Yes. Thats what I told you.
[19:16] <flyingeagle> Hello everyone! I just installed Xubuntu, and it went quite smoothly. The only problem is, my interent connection isn't working right. I am connecting via a wifi usb stick, and the connection itself is there. I just can't visit any webpages, or actually connect to the internet itself. Any thoughts? Thanks.
[19:16] <xubuntu535> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5613473/
[19:16] <xubuntu535> i think i will restart my machien and come back later
[19:17] <bekks> xubuntu535: Thats not windows.
[19:17] <bekks> xubuntu535: run sudo lsof | grep apt again
[19:18] <llldino> flyingeagle: do ifconfig and post output
[19:18] <xubuntu535> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5613491/
[19:19] <flyingeagle> llldino: Ok, I just did that. But since that PC is not connected to the net, how would I paste all that?
[19:19] <llldino> Oh I see..shite
[19:20] <llldino> Just post what connections you have
[19:20] <beefsalad> http://superuser.com/questions/425964/xubuntu-terminal-overrides-shell-and-vi-color-schemes-how-to-deactivate
[19:20] <beefsalad> shit like that is what makes ubuntu suck for people that are used to the old school
[19:20] <llldino> Me for example: eth0 eth1 and lo
[19:20] <holstein> !language
[19:20] <llldino> Sorry mr robot man
[19:20] <beefsalad> sorry
[19:21] <flyingeagle> llldino: Oh ok, sure: etho0, lo, wlan0
[19:21] <llldino> Ok on wlan do you have an assigned ip address
[19:21] <llldino> Should be the second line
[19:22] <xubuntu535> thank you all who tried so hard...to help ... i really appriciate the enthusiasm ... I have to take leave now... as its 1 Am for me .. and I have to go to office tomorrow... i will come back tothis channel again if my problem is not solved... thansk a lot a guys...
[19:22] <flyingeagle> llldino: Yep, it says: inet addr:192.168.2.20 Bcast: 192.168.2.255
[19:23] <llldino> Ok, I assume the system you're connected on now is on the same network
[19:23] <flyingeagle> I checked in my router's admin panel, and my pc is recognized as connected there too. I also restarted the modem and pc.
[19:23] <llldino> Try restarting the system with ubuntu and leave the stick in
[19:23] <flyingeagle> Ok, I will try again.
[19:24] <flyingeagle> Thanks for your help. I had this same problem before xubuntu when I installed ubuntu (saw Unity, got scared and switched lol)
[19:24] <llldino> Same here bro
[19:24] <llldino> Unity sucks
[19:24] <llldino> Imo
[19:24] <flyingeagle> Ya, I don't like it
[19:25] <flyingeagle> Alright, restarted but no luck
[19:25] <flyingeagle> :(
[19:26] <llldino> Have you installed the nonfree package from linux?
[19:26] <llldino> I think that's irrelevent though, since you have an assigned ip
[19:27] <llldino> Have you tried connecting via Ethernet? Does it work?
[19:32] <flyingeagle> llldino: Hmm, ehthernet would be very hard to do because my computer is very far from the router and its a desktop so ill have to move wuite a bit of stuff ... is that my only choice
[19:35] <llldino> So when you installed from the live cd there was no internet connection?
[19:38] <flyingeagle> Correct
[19:38] <llldino> This is probably your problem, your distro doesnt have any propietairy software on it
[19:39] <llldino> I know that I installed last night without an internet connection and had the same problem
[19:39] <llldino> You can either download the packages and transfer by usb or reinstall with an active internet connection
[19:39] <llldino> I honestly believe the latter solution is far easier
[19:40] <alexandros_c> well_laid_lawn: I am stuck with the open source driver as it appears that ati/amd does not support the x1400 anymore :(
[19:42] <flyingeagle> llldino: Hmm, that makes sense. I will try to attempt the latter. Do you know how I would do it via USB?
[19:42] <llldino> Nope :)
[19:43] <flyingeagle> lol ok
[19:43] <llldino> Well, download the package, transfer to usb, plug it in and run
[19:43] <llldino> I forget what the package is called though
[19:43] <llldino> It's like linux-nonfree-something
[19:43] <TheSheep> !find nonfree
[19:44] <llldino> Its just so much easier to run with an internet rx
[19:44] <llldino> Wow that bot is good
[19:44] <xubuntu624> Is there any java plug in for firefox ? I dont finde icedtea anymore.
[19:44] <llldino> openjdk
[19:45] <well_laid_lawn> alexandros_c:  you can try adding   nomodeset   to the kernel line and see if that helps
[19:46] <llldino> sudo apt-get install openjdk-7-something
[19:46] <holstein> !java
[19:46] <holstein> !nomodeset
[19:46] <llldino> There ya go
[19:46] <xubuntu624> I need a plugin like icedtea. the sudo thing is to complicated.
[19:47] <llldino> sudo allows you to run a command as the root user, which is nessicairy to install packages
[19:47] <holstein> xubuntu624: feel free and check that link i referenced.. should be several options..
[19:47] <llldino> openjdk7 is code names icedtea
[19:47] <llldino> named*
[19:47] <Arpad2> !nvidia
[19:49] <xubuntu624> I dont finde it.. where is the icedtea ? is it gone ?
[19:49] <holstein> xubuntu624: check the link i gave above
[19:49] <llldino> Ok..run this command: sudo apt-get install openjdk-7-jre-headless
[19:50] <holstein> xubuntu624: specifically https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
[19:50] <llldino> This installs Icedtea on your system
[19:50] <holstein> xubuntu624: even more specifically https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java#Browser_plugin
[19:50] <llldino> Yeah ^ that too if you need java for a web application
[19:51] <alexandros_c> well_laid_lawn: do you think it might be my gpu?
[19:51] <llldino> holstein: Have you heard anyoe complaning about suspending to ram issues
[19:52] <holstein> llldino: sure.. sometimes
[19:52] <llldino> Other than me of course
[19:52] <xubuntu624> Ok thank you.. i found it in the softwarecenter.. not in firefox.
[19:52] <holstein> that seems to be mostly worked out these days..
[19:52] <llldino> Where would I go for info?
[19:52] <holstein> llldino: i typically try live CD's.. different kernel versions
[19:53] <llldino> holstein: Suspend worked fine in 12.10 now its messed up
[19:53] <llldino> holstein: It suspends fine and when I re-enable the fan/processors fire up but I get no graphics
[19:53] <xubuntu624> What about cheese the newest version ? i dont finde it in softwarecenter.
[19:54] <llldino> xubuntu624: What is cheese?
[19:54] <xubuntu624> It is a webcam program.
[19:54] <llldino> Idk..look for a .deb package on their website
[19:54] <xubuntu624> the old version crashed. but it is a new out now.
[19:59] <xubuntu624> Is the new version of cheese in the softwarecenter or will it be added ? I finde an older version there.
[19:59] <aiena> Hi knome
[19:59] <llldino> xubuntu624: I told you, go to their website and look
[20:00] <llldino> The newest version will be avalible for download, download the .deb package and run it
[20:00] <llldino> I had to do the same thing for openttd
[20:00] <brainwash> xubuntu624: which version does the software-center offer?
[20:00] <aiena> xubuntu624: many software which come by default will be old either use ppa's or download the zip or compile the sources or get the deb :)
[20:01] <aiena> I had to compile kvirc !! Because zxubuntu came with 4.1.x when the latest stable 4.2 is already a year old lol
[20:01] <xubuntu624> Brainwash: version 3.6.2
[20:03] <aiena> is that seriously n applicatin xubuntu624
[20:03] <aiena> if its not I aint brainwashing you :P
[20:03] <aiena> :lmao:
[20:03] <xubuntu624> http://projects.gnome.org/cheese/
[20:04]  * aiena is checking it out
[20:05] <aiena> awww cute.
[20:05] <llldino> xubuntu624: http://download.gnome.org/sources/cheese/3.8/cheese-3.8.1.tar.xz
[20:05] <xubuntu201> hi... ahh, much better than the poor Ubuntu
[20:05] <llldino> xubuntu624: Then unpack the tar
[20:05] <aiena> I am going to bring my labrat, keep it in front of the webcam and say cheese. :)
[20:05] <xubuntu624> i have not run any updates yet. maybe the newest will show up.
[20:05] <brainwash> xubuntu624: Raring does not ship with Gnome 3.8.. so you will have to add the Gnome 3.8 PPA, maybe it's possible to install the latest version cheese in the Gnome 3.6 enviroment, not sure
[20:06] <llldino> brainwash: You can run gnome apps in xfce no problem, no?
[20:06] <xubuntu201> any tips here who might provide a living for an amateur researcher/developer? 8)
[20:07] <brainwash> llldino: yes, because the required dependencies are installed
[20:07] <llldino> xubuntu201: Umm..what?
[20:07] <brainwash> llldino: but cheese 3.8 might require GTK+ 3.8 and other stuff
[20:08] <llldino> brainwash: Tru say
[20:08] <xubuntu201> llldino: nothing... just so frustrated at studying in a uni... hate those 101 courses...
[20:08] <nantou> where do I find the microphone settings?
[20:08] <nantou> 13.04
[20:08] <aiena> its not there in pulse audio ?
[20:08] <brainwash> nantou: pavucontrol and/or alsamixer
[20:09] <llldino> Setting mgmt > Removable Drives/Media
[20:09] <nantou> brainwash, terminal?
[20:09] <aiena> nantou: you can press the sound icon
[20:09] <llldino> Oh wait, no nevermind
[20:09] <aiena> and select sound settings
[20:09] <xubuntu624> brainwash: Maybe i can not use it then. i think it is a good program to make movies with webcam.
[20:09] <aiena> then go to inpu devices
[20:10] <aiena> nantou: the sound icon on the panel :)
[20:10] <llldino> ^ Yeah
[20:10] <brainwash> xubuntu624: are you sure, the latest version of cheese will fix your problem?
[20:10] <aiena> otherwise in the terminal type alsamixer
[20:10] <aiena> both are equally good ways of doing it :)
[20:10] <nantou> brainwash, how do I use alsamixer from terminal?
[20:10] <aiena> type alsamixer
[20:11] <brainwash> nantou: simple type it
[20:11] <brainwash> :D
[20:11] <aiena> it will open a gui inside the terminal
[20:11] <aiena> :)
[20:11] <aiena> then use arrrow keys to adjust levels
[20:11] <xubuntu624> Not before i try it.. i hope the new version have fixed this.. i saw other have the same problem with this program. it crash when you try to make a movie.
[20:11] <llldino> No no, make a shell script with aslamixer as the only line then sudo chmod 777 it
[20:11] <llldino> ;D
[20:11] <llldino> alsamixer*
[20:11] <aiena> ok that can be confusing
[20:11] <aiena> lol
[20:11] <nantou> aiena, but i cannot hear anything
[20:12] <aiena> hmm
[20:12] <aiena> you cannot hear your microphone
[20:12] <llldino> nantou: Do you have the nonfree packages installed
[20:12] <aiena> by anychance do you have audacity installed ?
[20:12] <nantou> llldino, yes
[20:12] <brainwash> xubuntu624: maybe you should create a bug report on launchpad, because adding the Gnome 3.8 PPA might cause new problems
[20:12] <llldino> Does your mic show up in lspci?
[20:13] <llldino> No, of course it doesn't
[20:13] <llldino> Ill shut up now
[20:14] <llldino> Try lsusb instead
[20:14] <llldino> It should show up
[20:14] <nantou> lspci shows a list of devices, but I dont know how the microphone is referred to as
[20:14] <llldino> Don't lspci, use lsusb instead
[20:14] <llldino> lspci should give you only the audio card
[20:14] <xubuntu624> brainwash: so gnome 3.8 is not included in xubuntu ? I understand.. i dont know what gnome is anyway.
[20:15] <aiena> gnome is another desktop environment like xfce
[20:15] <llldino> Gnome is terrible, you don't want to know what it is
[20:15] <aiena> lol
[20:15] <bekks> llldino: Tiny little creatures ;)
[20:15] <aiena> Its also a mem hog
[20:16] <llldino> It also looks like dog poup
[20:16] <xubuntu201> doesn't the normal Ubuntu use gnome?
[20:16] <aiena> xfce is so sweet, humble and light
[20:16] <brainwash> xubuntu624: cheese is part of the Gnome desktop enviroment, Xubuntu ships with some Gnome applications and can run them without problem
[20:16] <llldino> aiena: And I love the look
[20:16] <xubuntu201> because watching youtube was so much better with xubuntu
[20:17] <xubuntu201> (i'm on an old eee pc)
[20:17] <aiena> llldino:  Especially in xubuntu - xubuntu has the best implementation of xfce I think :)
[20:17] <llldino> aiena: Agreed
[20:17] <aiena> I jsut wish I could get the blckbird theme in 12.0.4 LTS
[20:17] <aiena> *just
[20:17] <llldino> aiena: You're still in 12.04?
[20:17] <xubuntu624> brainwash: I will look for another webcam program.. but i am not sure i finde so many alternatives.
[20:18] <llldino> xubuntu624: I'm certain you will
[20:18] <aiena> illldino: Yeah I am relatively new so prefer LTS till I have full control :)
[20:18] <aiena> makers sense no ?
[20:18] <aiena> *makes
[20:18] <Unit193> !ot
[20:18] <llldino> aiena: :/
[20:18] <llldino> aiena: Who needs LTS when you have IRC
[20:19] <xubuntu624> brainwash: yes but not so many let you make videorecording. it is mostly for pictures.
[20:19] <aiena> lrts hop onto offtopic
[20:19] <llldino> aiena: The performance improvments in 13.04 are impressive I must say
[20:19] <aiena> s'il vous plait !!!
[20:19] <drc> aiena: DL 13.04, burn to USB, Boot, grab /usr/share/themes/Greybird, rename the folder, drop in ~/themes on the computer you want.  Easy Peasy :)
[20:19] <drc> er... ~/.themes
[20:19] <aiena> drc thanks !!
[20:19] <aiena> I have the iso's already
[20:20] <brainwash> xubuntu624: you should even be able to use VLC or mplayer to capture from your webcam
[20:20] <aiena> I tested 13.0.4 live
[20:20] <brainwash> xubuntu624: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam
[20:20] <aiena> brainwash: but he wants cheese effects
[20:20] <aiena> I guess
[20:20] <llldino> Another reason to love and respect VLC
[20:20]  * aiena nods
[20:20] <Unit193> aiena: You can get the theme at http://shimmerproject.org/ but it will not match the version of GTK3.
[20:21] <drc> ^^ much easier :)
[20:21] <aiena> the 13.0.4 one will work well on the LTS version ?
[20:21] <llldino> Only one way to find out
[20:21] <nantou> concerning the sound issue of mine: sound settings shows it every time I touch the embedde microphone, so it recognizes it, but there is no sound output
[20:21] <drc> not perfect, as Unit193 says, the version of GTK3 is not the same.
[20:21] <aiena> Unit193: I checked there blackbird seems to be only in git
[20:22] <aiena> nit on the main site yet
[20:22] <aiena> *not
[20:22] <aiena> maybe I'll use drc 's option
[20:22] <xubuntu624> brainwash: it is true. if i can record video it is ok.
[20:23] <aiena> vlc can be set up with little bit elbow grease to do lots of things
[20:23] <xubuntu624> aiena: i dont need cheese effects.. video and pictures is good enough for me.
[20:23] <aiena> ieven audacity can do lots of stuff when it comes to audio I love that program its essential for me :)
[20:23] <llldino> nantou: You mean input sounds
[20:23] <aiena> xubuntu201: cool !!
[20:24] <aiena> then vlc is waay better in terms of stability and maturity.
[20:24] <aiena> xubuntu201: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=143732
[20:24] <Unit193> aiena: Indeed, I use it in quantal from git but you can get a snapshot at: https://github.com/shimmerproject/Blackbird/archive/master.zip
[20:24] <nantou> llldino, yes thanks
[20:25] <llldino> nantou: What program are you testing it with
[20:25] <llldino> nantou: Oh and is it usb or built in device?
[20:26] <xubuntu201> aiena i guess you meant the other xubuntu624
[20:26] <nantou> llldino, built in device, https://connect.fernuni-hagen.de
[20:26] <nantou> a friend of mine is using that atm
[20:26] <llldino> nantou: Hmm
[20:26] <llldino> nantou: And it shows in in lsusb?
[20:26] <xubuntu624> I like xubuntu it give my netbook a new life.
[20:26] <nantou> llldino, no
[20:27] <llldino> nantou: It doesn't??
[20:27] <nantou> llldino, the open tab in the browser I mean, the microphone must be one of the peripherals (jimcron tech)
[20:27] <llldino> nantou: Can you post output?
[20:27] <nantou> if the microphone is one of the peripherals
[20:27] <nantou> yes, moment please
[20:28] <nantou> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5613723/
[20:28] <aiena> :08] <aiena> Unit193: I am not really so sure how themes work
[20:28] <aiena> [00:27:15] <aiena> they arent exactly executables
[20:28] <aiena> [00:27:25] <aiena> so do I unzip the xfce  4 version
[20:28] <llldino> Its probably just an xml file no?
[20:29] <Unit193> aiena: You can make a .themes dir in your home folder (so /home/unit193.themes/ for me) and unzip that zip file in there.
[20:29] <Unit193> !themes
[20:30] <llldino> nantou: Sorry didn't see until now
[20:31] <llldino> nantou: Are you sure you have the nonfree packages?
[20:31] <aiena> Unit193: Ok will do
[20:31] <nantou> llldino, multiverse? restricted?
[20:32] <nantou> i have both
[20:33] <llldino> nantou:  "firmware-linux-nonfree"?
[20:33] <aiena> Unit193: It worked like a charm !! THanks a lot :)
[20:33] <Unit193> aiena: No problem, enjoy!
[20:34] <nantou> llldino, where do I look for that?
[20:34] <llldino> sudo apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree
[20:34] <llldino> There's probably a less nooby way to do that, but w/e
[20:34] <llldino> If you already have it you'll get a msg
[20:35] <nantou> llldino, E: Unable to locate package firmware-linux-nonfree
[20:35] <llldino> Lol
[20:36] <llldino> Wait a tic
[20:37] <llldino> nantou: Sorry, its linux-nonfree-firmware
[20:37] <llldino> No
[20:37] <llldino> It's linux-firmware-nonfree
[20:37] <nantou> Unable to locate package linux-nonfree-firmware
[20:37] <aiena> yup not available
[20:37] <llldino> nantou: Did you get that? Sorry for the mass confusion
[20:38] <llldino> nantou: linux-firmware-nonfree
[20:38] <aiena> linux-firmware-nonfree does not work llldino:
[20:38] <ner0x> Is there really no way to use Alt+Shift+$LETTER for quick keys anymore in 12.10 or 13.04?
[20:38] <llldino> It should, it's a package
[20:39] <aiena> Its not there is the main repos
[20:39] <aiena> llldino: ehy dont you lety him use synaptics
[20:39] <aiena> and search
[20:39] <llldino> Well, I just updated it myself :/
[20:39] <aiena> command line can be intimidating.
[20:40] <aiena> llldino: did you add a PPA
[20:40] <aiena> because I cant update/ add it
[20:40] <llldino> aiena: What's a PPA?
[20:40] <aiena> nantou: which version of xubuntu are you using
[20:40] <aiena> Personal Package Archive (PPA)
[20:40] <llldino> aiena: Probably not then
[20:40] <llldino> I said linux-firmware-nonfree right?
[20:41] <aiena> Personal Package Archive (PPA)'s are kindoff unique to ubuntu
[20:41] <nantou> aiena, 13.04
[20:41] <aiena> nantou: ok then it might be in your repo
[20:41] <aiena> 13.04 is bleeding edge
[20:41] <aiena> :P
[20:41] <llldino> It's totally worth it though
[20:41] <nantou> llldino, downloading now
[20:42] <llldino> nantou: Ok, restart after and see if that does it
[20:42] <aiena> llldino: Is there a way to safely cleanly upgrade the distro without loosing anything ?
[20:42] <llldino> aiena: Yeah sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:42] <Unit193> llldino: That won't upgrade to raring at all.
[20:42] <llldino> aiena: Back up just in case though
[20:43] <aiena> Unit193: what do you suggest ?
[20:43] <llldino> It's not my advice, someone was telling someone else that earlier
[20:43] <aiena> I am on LTS atm
[20:43] <llldino> If you plug in the live CD it will give you the option to keep all your personal files
[20:43] <llldino> I would still backup though
[20:43] <Unit193> aiena: If you are on 12.04, you can't go directly to 13.04, you'd have to go to 12.10 first.
[20:43] <llldino> And mind you I was on 12.10
[20:44] <aiena> ok
[20:44] <aiena> so how would I go to 12.10 ?
[20:44] <aiena> dist upgrade ?
[20:44] <aiena> or do you think it would be better to do a clean install
[20:44] <llldino> I would clean install
[20:45] <Unit193> http://xubuntu.org/upgrading/ You may have to select non-LTS versions.
[20:45] <Unit193> Clean install works as well, of course.
[20:45] <llldino> Maybe only for consistencys sake
[20:45] <aiena> yeah clean install seems better
[20:45] <aiena> more risk free
[20:45] <Unit193> You also may want to give nantou https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/RealtekRTL8187b when he comes back...
[20:46] <aiena> I dont mind re downloading QT an gcc tc even if it takes ages lol
[20:48] <llldino> Has anyone else had problems with suspending to ram in 13.04?
[20:49] <Unit193> You might try looking for bug reports about that on launchpad with your hardware.
[20:49] <Unit193> aiena: Also, shimmer-themes comes with Blackbird in 12.10+
[20:49] <aiena> llldino: suspending to ram bugs meaning !!
[20:49] <aiena> Unit193: I some of them are there even in 12.0.4
[20:50] <aiena> only black bird isnt there
[20:50] <llldino> Good, so it's not just me
[20:50] <aiena> the rest are there
[20:50] <llldino> That's all I wanted to know
[20:50] <aiena> what exactly happens ?
[20:50] <aiena> when you suspend it forgets ?
[20:50] <nantou> odd, a program like audacity can record my voice via the embedded microphone, but I can only hear the output once its been recorded
[20:50] <nantou> I can not hear it as it goes
[20:51] <aiena> ok
[20:51] <aiena> that means your microphone is fine.
[20:51] <llldino> nantou: Yeah, you have to set that up afterwards
[20:51] <aiena> so thumbs up !!
[20:51] <nantou> tips please
[20:51] <llldino> aiena: Suspention works, but when I fire it back up everything works but it's like it won't take it back from ram
[20:51] <llldino> nantou: What are you trying to do? Amplify your voice?
[20:52] <llldino> nantou: Set up like a monitor kind of thing
[20:52] <nantou> llldino, talk to 5 other people
[20:52] <nantou> via internet
[20:52] <llldino> nantou: I don't really have experience with that kind of thing..normally you hear your own voice over the headset?
[20:52] <aiena> normally you should not hear your own voice through the speakers
[20:52] <aiena> its very bad because of feedback
[20:52] <llldino> ^ True
[20:53] <aiena> it will mess up everything
[20:54] <nantou> ok, after all I dont need to hear my voice, the other 5 people need to
[20:54] <aiena> exactly
[20:54] <nantou> any tips on why skype doesnt work? I already have the latest packages installed
[20:54] <aiena> you should be able to hear your own voice which is produced naturally only
[20:54] <aiena> from your mouth :)
[20:54] <llldino> Skype has a build for linux? But microsoft owns it :/
[20:55] <aiena> audacity is excellent for testing and everything else.
[20:55] <nantou> in a terminal after typing skype I get skype
[20:55] <nantou> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[20:55] <aiena> I prefer it maybe I'll try Ardour though since finally I have linux.
[20:56] <llldino> There is no build for skype on linux
[20:56] <llldino> You would have to run it through wine, assuming that would even work
[20:56] <bekks> There is.
[20:56] <llldino> Really?
[20:56] <nantou> its on the repos
[20:56] <bekks> Yes.
[20:56] <Noskcaj> llldino, yes
[20:56] <Unit193> nantou: http://askubuntu.com/questions/96367/how-can-i-get-line-in-microphone-working-with-skype-on-lubuntu-11-10 basically this.
[20:56] <Unit193> !skype
[20:56] <brainwash> nantou: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/skype/+bug/1155327
[20:56] <llldino> I must say, I am very suprised microsoft would do that
[20:57] <Unit193> 1. It was even out before Microsoft owned it.  2. May want to check your facts.
[20:57] <knome> aiena, yes?
[20:57] <llldino> 2. ?
[20:57] <nantou> brainwash, exactly!! 64bits and nvidia
[20:57] <aiena> knome: the probelm is solved !
[20:58] <aiena> SOrry to disturb you.
[20:58] <knome> aiena, fine! (what problem? :P)
[20:58] <brainwash> nantou: maybe there is already a workaround somewhere in the comments
[20:58] <aiena> was about getting blackbird onto 12.0.4
[20:58] <aiena> then I was wondering how safe it is to upgrade from lts to newer
[20:58] <aiena> but that one I am not sure
[20:58] <aiena> *LTS
[20:58] <aiena> normal releases
[20:59] <aiena> is it better to do a clean install knome
[20:59] <aiena> ?
[20:59] <brainwash> it's better and faster to do a clean install
[20:59] <knome> aiena, upgrades should work fine too, but take backups however you install.
[21:00] <aiena> how do I backup data only
[21:00] <aiena> I dont mind reinstalling build tools etc.
[21:00] <brainwash> but keeping LTS and doing a dual boot would be the best option
[21:00] <nantou> workaround did the thing
[21:00] <aiena> I have a dual boot with windows
[21:00] <aiena> in effect I have 3 paritions
[21:00] <knome> brainwash, well if it's a production machine and you're paranoid, then yes. :)
[21:00] <aiena> a xubuntu partition and 2 NTFS ones
[21:01] <brainwash> is there any need to actually upgrade to 13.04?
[21:01] <aiena> Well apart from getting new software there really isnt !!
[21:01] <aiena> I was hoping my tablet would work eith the new kermnel
[21:01] <aiena> *kernel
[21:02] <aiena> but it didnt
[21:02] <aiena> so amybe compiling from source is better lol
[21:02] <aiena> but audacity is a pain to compile.
[21:02] <brainwash> or using PPAs
[21:02] <aiena> its istructions arent documented well
[21:02] <knome> brainwash, if you are in 12.10, you have no other way to upgrade to any newer version than go through 13.04
[21:02] <aiena> and audacity has only dev PPA's [21:02] <aiena> *unstable
[21:03] <aiena> 13.0.4 has a nice compiled version ready
[21:03] <aiena> I'll wait for 14.04 I guess
[21:03] <brainwash> knome: that's another case, but we were talking about 12.04 -> 13.04
[21:04] <knome> brainwash, there's no way to do that directly either, you'd have to upgrade via 12.10
[21:04] <Unit193> No way to safely do it directly, at least.
[21:04] <knome> yeah, i won't describe how i upgraded to raring either :P
[21:05] <brainwash> yeye, but keeping the LTS version might still be the better option
[21:05] <knome> brainwash, if you need a stable system, then most definitely
[21:06] <aiena> knome: WHen is 14.0.4 estimated roughly to be out ?
[21:06] <aiena> 14.0.4 is the next LTS right
[21:06] <Unit193> 14.04, 2014.
[21:06] <knome> aiena, april 2014 (first number is year, second is month)
[21:06] <Unit193> (It works with the dates.)
[21:06] <aiena> Oh !!
[21:06] <aiena> Didn't know
[21:07] <aiena> so that the next LTS right
[21:07] <knome> yes
[21:07] <knome> every other year (even) in april
[21:08] <Arpad2> i installed Steam fron Software Center , but the app does not launch
[21:09] <knome> i would ask the steam channels
[21:09] <nantou> skype works with the damned workaround, but sound is really awful, with lots of interferences, like static electricity on any analog device
[21:11] <Arpad2> ok
[21:12] <Arpad2> is the laptop keyboard ilumination supported?
[21:12] <knome> i've no idea what that is
[21:13] <brainwash> nantou: probably pulseaudio causing some trouble
[21:13] <aiena> Arpad2: yes prbably
[21:13] <nantou> brainwash, pulseaudio output:
[21:13] <nantou> E: [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already running.
[21:13] <nantou> E: [pulseaudio] main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed.
[21:13] <aiena> that is normally handled by the bios though.
[21:14] <aiena> and xubuntu after
[21:14] <aiena> my keyboard illumination works.
[21:14] <Arpad2> aiena: it works only with one colour
[21:14] <aiena> ok
[21:15] <Arpad2> with win8 there 3-4
[21:15] <aiena> I have only one color
[21:15] <aiena> so cant say.
[21:15] <Arpad2> ok
[21:16] <brainwash> nantou: skype, pulseaudio,.. don't really like all these troublemakers :D
[21:17] <brainwash> nantou: but you should be able to find a solution (askubuntu, ubuntuforums,..)
[21:18] <aiena> night all
[21:19] <nantou> for the chatter that pasted the lubuntu link, I cannot locate "Start pavucontrol, and make sure that input/output is set to Audio Stereo Duplex"
[21:19] <nantou> i cannot findaudio stereo duplex
[21:20] <nantou>  would any of you be so kind to paste a skyp adress to test me mic?
[21:30] <xubuntu654> hi allhttp://xubuntu.org/irc/
[21:30] <xubuntu654> hi all
[21:31] <brainwash> hello
[21:31] <Noskcaj> hello
[21:31] <xubuntu654> i just installed a fresh xubuntu , i make the install but i choose autologin in thre desktop , i want to go back not aulogin i can't find how to do it ?
[21:33] <kblin> evening folks
[21:33] <Unit193> xubuntu654: You can edit /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf and remove the autologin option.
[21:34] <kblin> say, is there a trick to getting all those function keys working on a thinkpad?
[21:34] <carrera> Hello Everyone!  :)
[21:34] <kblin> like suspend/hibernate/screen lock and such
[21:35] <Noskcaj> kblin, http://www.upubuntu.com/2013/04/fix-brightness-keys-not-working-on.html might help
[21:35] <Noskcaj> hello carrera
[21:35] <carrera> My nvidia M360 card crashes with the Nouveau driver during install. So I used the alternate edition to install the nvidia drivers. Can anyone tell me how I can install 13.04 now that the alternate is not available?
[21:36] <xubuntu654> Unit193 : thanks i will try
[21:36] <xubuntu654> see ya all
[21:36] <Noskcaj> carrera, it's one of the options when you interupt the installer startup, i forget which though
[21:36] <brainwash> nomodeset?
[21:37] <kblin> Noskcaj: backlight and volume keys are working fine, the rest doesn't
[21:37] <Noskcaj> kblin, unless theupubuntu thing can be "ported" i don't know
[21:38] <carrera> Noskcaj, really?!?!  That's great!  I hope you're right sir!
[21:39] <Noskcaj> carrera, that was a question you could ask on #ubuntu, there are many more people there
[21:39] <Noskcaj> carrera, if you still want alternate, try the netboot iso
[21:40] <kblin> Noskcaj: I doubt it, thanks in any case
[21:40] <carrera> I used UNetbootin to create a bootable USB stick and I don't remember seeing that option in the UNetbootin menu at boot time
[21:41] <Noskcaj> carrera, it's not, i'll find you a link
[21:41] <carrera> Noskcaj, actually I asked on TWICE on #ubuntu but no one answered!  :(
[21:41] <Noskcaj> carrera, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/raring/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[21:42] <carrera> what is that?
[21:43] <Noskcaj> a link to the netboot iso
[21:43] <Arpad2> I've got error message: This system does not support Open GL .
[21:43] <Noskcaj> it's 30mb
[21:44] <Noskcaj> carrera, run it and it will work just like the alternate, except it downloads the files as it installs
[21:46] <carrera> Noskcaj, I hope it detects my wireless card
[21:46] <Noskcaj> carrera, it's worth a try
[21:47] <carrera> Noskcaj, definitely. Thanks!
[21:48] <carrera> Noskcaj, when I said I didn't see the option in the boot menu, I was talking about the option to interrupt the installer
[21:48] <Noskcaj> carrera, you press random buttons before the installer has appeared, it brings up a CLI
[21:54] <carrera> Noskcaj, thanks. It would be great if I can bring up the CLI
[21:54] <carrera> I even downloaded lubuntu 13.04 alternate last night but I don't want to install that
[21:54] <carrera> I want to go pure xubuntu
[21:54] <Arpad2> pls, could smb help me with this http://paste.ubuntu.com/5614011/
[21:54] <Noskcaj> carrera, in the normal installer it's not an entire cli installer, just some options
[21:55] <Noskcaj> !purexubuntu
[21:56] <carrera> Noskcaj, thanks!  I didn't konw there are other who like a pure system too
[22:00] <brainwash> Arpad2: you should also upload /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[22:00] <Arpad2> ok, thx
[22:03] <Arpad2> brainwash: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5614065/
[22:07] <brainwash> Arpad2: (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)
[22:08] <brainwash> Arpad2: did you install the proprietary Nvidia driver?
[22:08] <Arpad2> i don't think so
[22:08] <Arpad2> i don't think soi tried to install Steam and it started to upgrade
[22:09] <Arpad2> my guess is that I stopped Steam while it was upgrading
[22:10] <Arpad2> now I don't have any driver for the v ideocard?
[22:11] <brainwash> did steam try to install any drivers?
[22:12] <Arpad2> honestly I dont know, but I guess it did, because "nvidia" appeared in the terminal while upgrading
[22:14] <brainwash> not sure about this issue, you might try searching on the web for a solution
[22:14] <Arpad2> ok
[22:15] <brainwash> there is also #ubuntu-steam
[22:16] <Arpad2> I'll try that, thx!
[23:13] <xubuntu460> yo
[23:14] <xubuntu460> i installed xubuntu alongside windows and im using a linksys adapter. does the iso not come with drivers for wireless adapter?
[23:14] <xubuntu460> i have my linksys cd
[23:14] <xubuntu460> wouldn't let me install drivers
[23:15] <xubuntu460> how do i connect to my network wireless? my router is across the house
[23:15] <xubuntu460> anyone even here?
[23:15] <bekks> You need to know the chipset of your wifi device and install the appropriate linux/ubuntu drivers for your device
[23:15] <bekks> !wifi
[23:16] <xubuntu460> wifi device is a cisco Linksys AE25000
[23:17] <xubuntu460> i don't guess ubuntu supports mine
[23:17] <xubuntu460> don't see in list
[23:18] <xubuntu460> can i ask what is a good distro for asus/i5 750/ATI/Linksys?
[23:18] <bekks> I do see it.
[23:18] <xubuntu460> really?
[23:18] <bekks> Yeah.
[23:18] <bekks> HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCardsLinksys
[23:18] <bekks> GNa.
[23:18] <bekks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCardsLinksys
[23:18] <bekks> There it is. :)
[23:19] <bekks> USB, Point 11.
[23:19] <xubuntu460> ok i see it now
[23:19] <xubuntu460> manufactured by cisco right?
[23:19] <bekks> Linksys.
[23:20] <xubuntu460> my cd says CISCO
[23:20] <xubuntu460> and Linksys AE2500
[23:20] <xubuntu460> so i don't know who bought who out
[23:20] <xubuntu460> or whatnot
[23:20] <bekks> Cisco bought Linksys a couple of years ago.
[23:20] <xubuntu460> yeah i figured
[23:20] <bekks> And your device is a Linksys AE2500.
[23:20] <xubuntu460> has anyone else had problems?
[23:20] <xubuntu460> yes
[23:21] <bekks> Read the link please :)
[23:21] <bekks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCardsLinksys#AE2500
[23:21] <xubuntu460> 	 On 64 bit system, native support with brcmfmac for this chipset did not work (a version currently in staging might work). This also requires separate firmware. (See
[23:22] <xubuntu460> i don't think mine works
[23:22] <xubuntu460> lol
[23:22] <xubuntu460> or it would've worked you know?
[23:22] <bekks> Yeah, sounds like you're better of getting a working one :)
[23:22] <xubuntu460> yeah, a working OS
[23:22] <xubuntu460> lol
[23:23] <xubuntu460> now i remember why linux blows, it only works with ancient computers
[23:23] <bekks> A working wifi adapter. As you can see, your chipset is supported poorly.
[23:23] <bekks> LOL :D
[23:23] <xubuntu460> i know
[23:23] <xubuntu460> lol, i love linux
[23:23] <xubuntu460> miss it from back in the day
[23:24] <xubuntu460> just sux they are so far behind
[23:24] <bekks> Using crappy hardware - no one wonders.
[23:24] <Arpad2> the audio doesn't seem working
[23:24] <bekks> Using reasonably sane hardware, it works pretty fine.
[23:24] <xubuntu460> what is wrong with CISCO/Linksys?
[23:25] <xubuntu460> besides being top sellers
[23:25] <bekks> xubuntu460: Nothing. But your specific chipset in your specific device is just crap - thus is why it is supported poorly.
[23:25] <bekks> xubuntu460: So get one of the zillion well supported chipsets - and you're fine.
[23:26] <xubuntu460> which are?
[23:26] <bekks> xubuntu460: Read the link.
[23:26] <xubuntu460> omg so much help
[23:26] <bekks> !hcl
[23:26] <xubuntu460> that is jibberish
[23:27] <xubuntu460> is there any distro that supports my crap chipset
[23:27] <xubuntu460> lol
[23:27] <bekks> Search for one...
[23:27] <bekks> Thats really not a support issue in here.
[23:27] <xubuntu460> gah, what do you want me to do man, go saulder my own chips
[23:27] <xubuntu460> lol who has time for that
[23:28] <xubuntu460> i forgot to steal einstein's brain
[23:28] <bekks> The one who's paid by you - this is voluntary community support.
[23:35] <brainwash> so Raring includes a new Xubuntu wallpaper. why does xfdesktop still display the Quantal one by default?
[23:37] <bekks> brainwash: Because it was set as your personal preference which is not changed by an update.
[23:39] <Arpad2> no audio at all , no mp3 or youtube
[23:44] <brainwash> bekks: according to xubuntu-default-settings, xfdesktop should use the Quantal one
[23:45] <bekks> brainwash: I'd personally kill the developer who builds a package that changes my personal defaults or settings :P
[23:45] <bekks> brainwash: The default settings arent applied to existing users/accounts.
[23:46] <brainwash> bekks: i didn't mentioned, that i did an upgrade :P
[23:46] <bekks> And you have an existing account then, to which those new defaults will not be applied.
[23:48] <brainwash> bekks: oh, here we go https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1173114
[23:51] <brainwash> game breaking bug... they better should have delayed the release of xubuntu 13.04 and fix this stupid misconfiguration :)