[00:59] <x5ives> I went to upgrade from 12 to 13 and looked in the new packages going to be installed, it looked like it had gnome packages and was going to install Ubuntu.
[01:00] <fjodor> hi, which file is started when lubuntu is logging into lxde/lubuntu?
[01:00] <wxl> x5ives: which ones?
[01:01] <wxl> fjodor: you're referring to the session definition?
[01:01] <fjodor> wxl: yes, i am currently using default settings but i used to replace openbox with i3wm and now i want to use only i3wm but with all the lubuntu comfort
[01:02] <fjodor> i've forgotten what i did to achieve it
[01:02] <wxl> fjodor: well assumedly you're using lightdm still?
[01:02] <fjodor> yep
[01:02] <x5ives> wxl: let me check again.
[01:03] <wxl> x5ives: then edit /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/desktop.conf and yo ushould be good to go. prolly don't need to do more than change the window manager name.
[01:03] <fjodor> wxl: well i need to. for example i need to replace lxpanel
[01:03] <fjodor> i3wm has its own panel
[01:03] <x5ives> wxl: You mean fjodor.
[01:03] <Unit193> That's in /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart
[01:04] <wxl> well everything should be in /etc/xdg somewhere fjodor
[01:04] <wxl> x5ives: yeah sorry
[01:04] <fjodor> yeah thanks
[01:04] <x5ives> Also it says in release notes "Welcome to Ubuntu 13.04 'Raring Ringtail"
[01:04] <wxl> x5ives: no surprise there
[01:04] <x5ives> Shouldn't it says Lubuntu.
[01:04] <x5ives> ?
[01:05] <wxl> x5ives: no. it doesn't matter what you're on, you always seem to have/be getting ubuntu. check out lsb_release -a and see what it thinks, for example
[01:05] <wxl> x5ives: and you DO have ubuntu, really
[01:05] <wxl> x5ives: EVERY canonical distro has ubuntu-core
[01:08] <x5ives> xwl: True, but Lubuntu shouldn't be getting gnome packages.
[01:08] <wxl> x5ives: yes, but i'm still waiting for your answer :)
[01:08] <Unit193> If you installed them, the upgrade will update them.
[01:09] <x5ives> wxl: gnome-control-center, gnome-control-center-data, gnome-menus, gnome-session-bin, gnome-user-guide
[01:09] <fjodor> is it possible to automate displaymanagement like ubuntu does by default?
[01:10] <Unit193> x5ives: Is that in the "Upgrades" or "Newly installed" sections?
[01:10] <Unit193> (Also, you can purge after.)
[01:10] <x5ives> wxl: "Install".
[01:10] <Unit193> I see.
[01:11] <wxl> x5ives: what's in the update section?
[01:11] <x5ives> I've never installed gnome on this install or an gnome apps.
[01:11] <x5ives> wxl: Lemme check.
[01:11] <wxl> x5ives: just pastebin them if they're long
[01:11] <x5ives> wxl: Will do.
[01:12] <x5ives> How do I copy? Will I need to go to upgrade via terminal?
[01:12] <wxl> x5ives: oh forgot you're doing it in the gui, duh. not sure if you can copy or not :/
[01:13] <wxl> x5ives: i guess you could do a screenshot
[01:13] <Unit193> I'd copy them down, and purge after.
[01:14] <x5ives> Unit193: Copy them down one-by-one?
[01:14] <x5ives> Unit193: No way!
[01:14] <Unit193> Well, was thinking actually copying, but not sure if you can GUI style.
[01:15] <x5ives> 'sudo do-release-upgrade'?
[01:15] <x5ives> Then pastebin.
[01:19] <Unit193> Sure, if you just use do-release-upgrade it'll still switch up to root.
[01:21] <x5ives> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5614481/
[01:22] <x5ives> Unit193: What do you mean by that?
[01:22] <x5ives> wxl: ^^
[01:22] <wxl> compiz
[01:22] <wxl> hmmmmmm
[01:22] <wxl> compiz-gnome no less
[01:22] <wxl> gnome-desktop3-data
[01:22] <Unit193> You'll notice you have quite a few already.
[01:23] <wxl> gnome-icon-theme ???
[01:23] <x5ives> Huh?
[01:23] <x5ives> Looks like I do...
[01:23] <wxl> libgnome2
[01:23] <x5ives> Don't remember installing those...
[01:23] <wxl> you've got a buncha stuff you apparently don't want bud :)
[01:23] <wxl> need to check your reverse depends
[01:24] <x5ives> Compiz I remember, but I swear I removed it.
[01:24] <wxl> don't swear to anything holy then
[01:24] <wxl> else the lightning may come down and smite you
[01:24] <x5ives> Lemme do a apt-get autoremove.
[01:27] <x5ives> Looks like many of them were from Compiz.
[01:28] <wxl> not a surprise
[01:30] <x5ives> Isn't apt-get autoremove supposed to remove ANY left over dependencies? 'Cause that's what I did after I removed Compiz.
[01:31] <wxl> should if it's not needed for anything else and it wasn't expressly installed
[01:34] <x5ives> I just accidentally outputted a log file without specifying a directory, where did that go? I checked /
[01:34] <wxl> prolly ~
[01:35] <x5ives> Nope.
[01:36] <x5ives> I'll do another one but I don't like that there could be  a loggylol file sitting somewhere on my hard drive.
[01:36] <wxl> you could use find to track it down
[01:37] <wxl> also new pcmanfm has find function
[01:37] <x5ives> What's the syntax? Just find filename?
[01:37] <x5ives> New in 13?
[01:38] <wxl> yeah
[01:38] <wxl> uh sorry
[01:38] <wxl> :)
[01:39] <wxl> try sudo find / -iname whateverthefileiscalled
[01:39] <x5ives> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5614516/ Still some gnomes lurkin' derr.
[01:39] <fjodor> wxl: mmh what should i run to have some kind of comfortable session? i am not sure if i want to run everything that lubuntu does
[01:39] <wxl> well gnome-mplayer makes sense for example. they're not all bad. you just need to check the depends
[01:39] <wxl> fjodor: that's kind of a personal question, right? :)
[01:40] <fjodor> mmh :(
[01:40] <x5ives> wxl: Why does that make sense? Does it come with Lubuntu?
[01:40] <fjodor> is there a list where i can choose from?
[01:40] <wxl> x5ives: yep. packages with gnome in them don't necessarily ALL require gnome
[01:40] <wxl> fjodor: well autostart will tell you what is started
[01:41] <x5ives> wxl: Yeah but do they actually COME with Lubuntu?
[01:41] <wxl> x5ives: gnome-mplayer does (that's why i said yep when you asked the first time)
[01:41] <x5ives> Found it in temp.
[01:41]  * wxl pummels the side of x5ives' face with a trout
[01:42] <x5ives> Ouch...
[01:42] <x5ives> what about the other gn- packages?
[01:43] <fjodor> wxl: which autostart??
[01:43] <wxl> x5ives: http://packages.ubuntu.com/raring/lubuntu-desktop
[01:43] <x5ives> Is there a command I can use to check what package(s) depend on them?
[01:43] <wxl> fjodor: the one under /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu
[01:43] <fjodor> there are just 5 lines or something
[01:44] <Unit193> x5ives: apt-cache rdepends packagename
[01:44] <wxl> fjodor: well then only 5 things are loaded.
[01:44] <fjodor> wxl: mmh what about nm-applet etc?
[01:45] <fjodor> its not there
[01:45] <wxl> fjodor: /etc/init.d
[01:46] <wxl> fjodor: and while i mention this i'll say this plainly: be careful with that
[01:46] <fjodor> wxl: nm-applet is somewhere in init.d???????
[01:46] <fjodor> you're joking?
[01:47] <wxl> fjodor: nm-applet is nothing more than a frontend to network-manager and network-manager is run in init.d
[01:47] <fjodor> wxl: yes but i was interested in nm-applet, i dont want to fuck with init.d
[01:48] <wxl> fjodor: but if you want to target nm-applet specifically, look in /etc/xdg/autostart
[01:48] <wxl> fjodor: and keep the language family friendly. we have a code of ethics here. consider this your one and only warning.
[01:48] <x5ives> Isn't PCManFM the file manager for XFCE?
[01:49] <wxl> x5ives: don't think os?
[01:49] <x5ives> What is it then?
[01:49]  * wxl wonders when this turned into #xubuntu ;)
[01:49] <x5ives> Cause I installed XFCE and my file manager shortcut says 'PCManFM'.
[01:50] <wxl> thunar
[01:50] <wxl> you installed xfce on lubuntu?
[01:50] <x5ives> Yes, I couldn't stand not having tiling windows.
[01:50] <wxl> uhhhhhhhh
[01:50] <x5ives> And LXDE doesn't have that.
[01:51] <x5ives> And XFCE is the next most light weight that I know.
[01:51] <x5ives> So what is PCManFM?
[01:51] <wxl> wel things WILL get funky when you do stuff like that
[01:51] <wxl> pcmanfm is lxde's file manager
[01:51] <wxl> click it and see what opens
[01:51] <fjodor> wxl: what uses /etc/xdg/autostart?
[01:52] <wxl> fjodor: x
[01:52] <x5ives> wxl: I thought it was openbox?
[01:52] <wxl> x5ives: that's the window manager
[01:52] <fjodor> wxl: that wasnt an answer
[01:52] <wxl> x5ives: you should have just installed xfwm
[01:52] <fjodor> sry
[01:52] <wxl> fjodor: sure it is. x = x server
[01:53] <fjodor> sry
[01:53] <x5ives> Wait, no, I installed XFCE but I'm only using XFWM.
[01:53] <x5ives> Still using LXDE.
[01:53] <fjodor> no i mean, if i start i3wm, those things dont start-up
[01:53] <wxl> x5ives: and frankly there are a LOT of tiling window managers that i'm sure are more lightweight than anything from xfce
[01:53] <fjodor> so why doesnt x start those things?
[01:53] <x5ives> xwl: Like?
[01:53] <wxl> fjodor: dunno
[01:53] <fjodor> :(
[01:53] <wxl> x5ives: wm3 :)
[01:54] <wxl> x5ives: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiling_window_manager#List_of_tiling_window_managers_for_X
[01:54] <wxl> x5ives: also don't use wm. it's a little obtuse for most.
[01:55] <fjodor> x5ives: i3 has the most sane default configs. the others are all bunkers
[01:55] <fjodor> bonkers
[01:55] <x5ives> Ahh, how am I gonna choose.
[01:56] <wxl> x5ives: experiment
[01:56] <x5ives> I'll just stick with XFWM 'till I have time.
[01:56] <x5ives> It's pretty close to LXDE's wm.
[01:56] <Unit193> fjodor: What's in /etc/xdg/ for you?
[01:56] <x5ives> In terms of light weightiness.
[01:58] <fjodor> Unit193: defaul lubuntu stuff. like everything
[01:59] <Unit193> http://i3wm.org/docs/userguide.html#_automatically_starting_applications_on_i3_startup Something like that?
[02:00] <fjodor> well ok, but why doesnt /etc/xdg/autostart work?
[02:03] <Unit193> Different wm, may be expecting different format (for example, another computer that is a dir, and there are .desktop files in it.)
[02:03] <fjodor> yes there are .desktop files
[02:09] <x5ives> On entering openbox --replace & I get Openbox-Message: Unable to find a valid menu file "/var/lib/openbox/debian-menu.xml"
[02:09] <x5ives> I checked, there indeed is no debian-menu.xml
[02:09] <x5ives> It has changed the window manager though.
[02:23] <x5ives> Just gonna do a fresh install.
[02:23] <x5ives> Thanks anyway.
[03:24] <fjodor> which method does lubuntu use to switch users?
[03:24] <holstein> fjodor: what are you looking for?
[03:25] <fjodor> i am using another wm and trying to implement fast user switching somehow
[03:27] <holstein> tbh, i dont know what "fast" user switching is
[03:27] <holstein> i usually just use the little icon in the panel..
[03:27] <holstein> well, i usually personally just go to tty and "switch users" in the terminal
[03:27] <holstein> fjodor: what are you using?
[03:28] <fjodor> i3 but it does support applets/icons, but i think the session-manager icon in lxde is part of lxpanel
[03:28] <holstein> you can use tine
[03:29] <holstein> tint*
[03:29] <holstein> !info tint2
[03:29] <holstein> !info indicator-session-gtk2
[03:29] <fjodor> holstein: i have a taskbar, i need an applet
[03:29] <fjodor> holstein: ah
[03:29] <fjodor> ok
[03:29] <holstein> seems like that would have been an option...
[03:30] <holstein> fjodor: are you in 13.04? i find that in the 12.04 repos..
[03:30] <fjodor> no its good thank
[03:30] <fjodor> s
[03:30] <fjodor> i dont need a taskbar, but indicator-session is helpful
[03:35] <fjodor> holstein: how do i start the session indicator?
[03:37] <holstein> fjodor: i just start it, and it shows up in the panel.. thats what i suggest tint2 for. you dont have to use the "taskbar" feature.. or menu.. but if you want to see indicators, you'll need somewhere for them to show up
[03:39] <fjodor> ah ok, i have 12.10 and dont have indicator-session-gtk2 only indicator-session
[03:40] <fjodor> its a panelfunction
[03:40] <fjodor> not an app
[03:41] <holstein> fjodor: i think the *-*-gtk2 one is standalone.. but it seems to be pulled from the repos
[03:42] <holstein> fjodor: what are you trying to do?
[03:42] <holstein> im running openbox, with tint2.. and i have no user agent switcher
[03:42] <holstein> !tty
[03:42] <fjodor> i am using i3 as wm and i REALLY need a way to switch users
[03:42] <holstein> ^^ thats how i 'switch' to other users
[03:42] <holstein> fjodor: i would just use tint2.. you dont have to autostart it
[03:43] <fjodor> holstein: i do have an integrated taskbar/dock in i3 dont need another one
[03:44] <holstein> fjodor: you can kill that one, and use tint2.. or use tint2 "on demand".. or, just fire it up temporarily as a test to see if what we are talking about is what you want
[03:44] <holstein> tty's work from any DE
[05:10] <pabs3> is there a guide to how to build the Ubuntu alternate installer? I noticed that Ubuntu dropped it but Lubuntu is still offering it. for work, I want to do something similar, make an alternate installer CD with extra packages and some preseeding
[05:58] <JohnDoe_71Rus> pabs3: if you have internet, think minimal install is better https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LowMemorySystems
[05:59] <pabs3> thats the main reason I want to do this, installs will happen without internet and need some extra packages installed
[06:01] <JohnDoe_71Rus> read about remastersys and like this packages
[06:03] <pabs3> looks like that is dead: http://www.remastersys.com/
[10:16] <csc`> So since updating to 13.04, I seem to have broken b43 after finally seeing the driver in the Software Updater. First installation of this box was 12.04, and I had fixed the bug that caused it to stall at boot.
[10:17] <csc`> The device no longer appears in the Proprietary Drivers tab in the Software Manager, and manually probing for b43 results in a bunch of nothing. Literally just sits there and outputs nothing, does not terminate, just blank.
[10:17] <csc`> Actually I take that back, it just exited modprobe but still does not load the module nor give me an interface
[10:27] <jony> I want to setup a VNC connection to view remote desktop on a lubuntu and I want in that the operations way to won't be visible on it's monitor
[10:29] <jony> please help
[10:58] <geneg> anyone knows where are the files of desktop right click menu in lubuntu? (not the openbox one)
[11:06] <geneg> Anyone knows where are the files of desktop right click menu (not the openbox one) in lubuntu?
[11:43] <bennypr0fane> hello, can I upgrade Lubuntu from 12.04 directly to 13.04? I started the upgrade GUI follwing these instructions: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#Upgrading_from_last_release the update manager only offers 12.10 though. Here it is described for Ubuntu that and upgrade to 13.04 Raring should be offered. Is the same possible for Lubuntu?
[11:46] <Myrtti> bennypr0fane: if 12.04 offers an update to 13.04 straight away, then there's something wrong.
[11:47] <Myrtti> supported upgrade routes are LTS to LTS, LTS to next release up, or next release up.
[11:47] <bennypr0fane> well it doesn't
[11:47] <Myrtti> well that's good then, if it doesn't.
[11:47] <bennypr0fane> at least not lubuntu
[11:47] <bennypr0fane> but Ubuntu supposedly does
[11:48] <Myrtti> I've never heard that it would
[11:48] <bennypr0fane> says so here: http://www.unixmen.com/how-to-upgrade-from-ubuntu-1004-1010-1104-to-ubuntu-1110-oneiric-ocelot-desktop-a-server/
[11:48] <bennypr0fane> no
[11:48] <bennypr0fane> not this one
[11:49] <bennypr0fane> ohcibi, wait, it IS this link. it was updated to 12.04 etc.
[11:49] <Myrtti> well
[11:50] <Myrtti> first of all, that's not an official guide, secondly, it was written before 13.04 was released, and what else
[11:51] <bennypr0fane> I'm aware that it's not official, so maybe inaccurate.
[11:52] <bennypr0fane> but IF it's accurate, why wouldn't it remain so now, after the official release?
[11:52] <Myrtti> which channel do you want me to reply to your question?
[11:57] <bennypr0fane> Myrtti I'd guess over there would be better, as there's hardly any traffic here
[12:09] <csc`> I like how my question regarding b43 got overlooked.
[12:10] <bennypr0fane> csc' probably just no one knows the answer. you wanna repost it
[12:10] <bennypr0fane> ?
[12:11] <csc`> So since updating to 13.04, I seem to have broken b43 after finally seeing the driver in the Software Updater. First installation of this box was 12.04, and I had fixed the bug that caused it to stall at boot.
[12:11] <csc`> The device no longer appears in the Proprietary Drivers tab in the Software Manager, and manually probing for b43 results in a bunch of nothing. Literally just sits there and outputs nothing, does not terminate, just blank.
[12:11] <csc`> Actually I take that back, it just exited modprobe but still does not load the module nor give me an interface
[12:12] <bennypr0fane> csc' b43 is your broadcom wifi module, yes?
[12:13] <bennypr0fane> csc`, your nick is awkward to type btw
[12:14] <csc`> If whatever client you're using does not have tab-complete, i'd highly suggest switching to a different client.
[12:19] <bennypr0fane> it has
[12:20] <bennypr0fane> so, yes or no to my question?
[14:26] <n-iCe> hello, something went wrong with my 13.04 I rebooted and all on the screen seems to be like big
[14:27] <csc`> n-iCe, what graphics chipset do you use?
[14:27] <n-iCe> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07)
[14:32] <csc`> n-iCe, hmm, would've guessed nvidia or something like that.
[14:33] <csc`> n-iCe, only option I can offer is the swat ppa, which is typically used for steam support. It sounds like a configuration issue though
[14:33] <n-iCe> swat ppa?
[14:33] <csc`> sadly my configuring experiences have degraded over the years.
[15:09] <n-iCe> I'm back
[15:09] <n-iCe> !flash
[15:10] <n-iCe> I think flashplugin-installer does not work anymore
[16:23] <lotus> hey, my background image is gone and I'd like to restore it.  Any idea what command to type on the terminal or what program to interface with?  It was an image, now it's just blue.  Right-click -> "desktop background" only results in a "System Settings" dialog appearing with only three options, none of which relate to the background -- I'm thinking a daemon crashed or somesuch?
[16:38] <n-iCe> hi lotus
[16:38] <lotus> hi n-iCe
[16:38] <n-iCe> did you reboot your machine?
[16:38] <n-iCe> or log out?
[16:38] <lotus> n-iCe: naw, I'm also doing work.  I don't want to do that -- trying to avoid it.  It will fix the issue, though :)
[16:38] <n-iCe> 12.04?
[16:39] <lotus> n-iCe: yessir
[16:39] <n-iCe> pcmanfm --desktop-pref
[16:39] <n-iCe> And uncheck the box "Show menus provided by window managers when desktop is clicked" found under the "Advanced" tab. Then you should be able to right click on the desktop and get the menu to bring up the preferences window that allows you to change the wallpaper anytime.
[16:41] <lotus> It's strange... that box was already unchecked. Normally I'm able to get to this dialog -- thank you for directing me to the command to cause it to open.  I've now tried setting the background image, and the colors are set to black; however, I still only have a "Windows 98 style" blue background
[16:41] <lotus> n-iCe: I appreciate your time and any insight you have :)
[16:43] <n-iCe> so still no background?
[16:43] <lotus> n-iCe: nope, no background yet
[16:43] <n-iCe> something must be wrong with your desktop environment
[16:43] <n-iCe> restart lxde
[16:44] <n-iCe> or reboot
[16:44] <n-iCe> :p
[16:44] <lotus> n-iCe: can I restart lxde without... closing... it?
[16:44] <lotus> lol
[16:44] <n-iCe> well
[16:44] <n-iCe> restart desktop without logging out on LXDE
[16:44] <n-iCe> U can try Alt+F2 and run pcfanman again
[16:44] <n-iCe> which is, pcmanfm --desktop
[16:44] <lotus> xD  nice copy paste!
[16:45] <lotus> I see the thread now
[16:45] <lotus> Thank you for the google search
[16:45] <n-iCe> :p
[16:46] <lotus> n-iCe: looks like "killall pcmanfm" followed by "pcmanfm --desktop --profile lubuntu"
[16:46] <lotus> n-iCe: tyty for your help
[16:46] <n-iCe> :) no problem
[16:49] <n-iCe> ls
[16:49] <n-iCe> lol, wrong terminal
[18:57] <lotus> xD
[22:57] <pmatulis> am i the only one who notices that you need to refresh pcmanfm after removing a file/directory?
[22:58] <pmatulis> otherwise the change is not reflected