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| gotwig | hey | 06:04 |
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| * hyperair wonders how reliable ext4 is with auto_da_alloc,data=writeback. | 06:10 | |
| ggherdov | Hi all, getting this while trying the upgrade 12.10 --> 13.04 http://bpaste.net/show/ma5h6BlmF5piP2Hyh7YN/ . what's happening ? (xpost to ubuntu-motu) | 07:11 |
| Tm_T | ggherdov: hi, 1) this is not user support channel 2) please don't crosspost (: | 07:13 |
| ggherdov | Tm_T: ok sorry. | 07:13 |
| Tm_T | np | 07:13 |
| Tm_T | ggherdov: #ubuntu would be the correct place for user support (: | 07:13 |
| ggherdov | good, | 07:13 |
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| Kano | hi,can somebody set raring as default and saucy optional for packages.ubuntu.com? | 08:04 |
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| hrw | ^C11:08 hrw@puchatek:~$ gcc --version | 09:08 |
| hrw | gcc-4.8.real (Ubuntu 4.8.0-4ubuntu2) 4.8.0 | 09:08 |
| hrw | thanks doko ;) | 09:08 |
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| ivoks | hi; there's a problem with synaptic when running in nb_NO locale; it crashes | 14:17 |
| ivoks | reason why it crashes is known and has been fixed in translations.lp.net few months ago | 14:17 |
| ivoks | but, it looks like fix never made it to raring | 14:17 |
| mitya57 | ivoks: link to the wrong string? | 14:18 |
| ivoks | so, i'm not sure what package should i blame; synaptic or langpack? (both have been built months after the fix) | 14:18 |
| ivoks | mitya57: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/synaptic/+bug/880493 | 14:18 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 880493 in synaptic (Ubuntu Quantal) "Norwegian translation has some issues" [Medium,Confirmed] | 14:18 |
| ivoks | mitya57: well, i'm not norwegian, but... | 14:18 |
| ivoks | mitya57: i think it's this one: https://translations.launchpad.net/synaptic/main/+pots/synaptic/nb/346/+translate | 14:20 |
| mitya57 | ivoks: I'm looking | 14:23 |
| ivoks | mitya57: it crashes only on 32bit system, but on 64bit you can see wrong chars on status line of the synaptic's main window | 14:23 |
| ivoks | mitya57: if .mo is downloaded from lp, everything is fine | 14:23 |
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| mitya57-mobile | ivoks: two of the translations mentioned in comment 46 haven't changed, third one looks like like a minor fix | 14:42 |
| mitya57-mobile | maybe the string numbers have changed? | 14:43 |
| ivoks | mitya57-mobile: string numbers probably changed; check out the string i've pasted | 14:43 |
| ivoks | mitya57-mobile: it looks like a minor change, but it makes synaptic functional; the source of the bug and the impact are known | 14:44 |
| ivoks | mitya57-mobile: what's uknown is - how do we get this fixed in raring, since it has been fixed in LP since end of 2012. | 14:44 |
| mitya57-mobile | ivoks: do you mean the "%i pakker i listen, ..." string? | 14:45 |
| ivoks | mitya57-mobile: yes | 14:46 |
| mitya57-mobile | ah, I see the wrong %sB at the end | 14:47 |
| hallyn | hi - bug 1113821 for libvirt in raring - could that get a quick push for sru testing? | 14:49 |
| ubottu | bug 1113821 in libvirt (Ubuntu Raring) "libvirt-bin deletes /etc/dnsmasq.d/libvirt-bin on upgrade" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1113821 | 14:49 |
| dobey | Laney: thanks | 14:49 |
| mitya57-mobile | ivoks: I have a patch, will push when my wifi gets working again | 14:54 |
| ivoks | mitya57-mobile: patch is for... synaptic or langpack? | 14:55 |
| mitya57-mobile | ivoks: synaptic, it's not in main so it's not in langpacks | 14:56 |
| ivoks | ah, that's the reason... | 14:56 |
| ivoks | mitya57-mobile: thanks! | 14:56 |
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| mitya57-mobile | ivoks: lp:~mitya57/synaptic/nb-po-fix | 15:15 |
| mitya57-mobile | mvo: ^ | 15:16 |
| mvo | mitya57-mobile: nice, could you please add a merge-proposal? | 15:17 |
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| mitya57-mobile | mvo: done | 15:19 |
| mvo | mitya57-mobile: thanks | 15:21 |
| mitya57-mobile | yw | 15:22 |
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| ivoks | mitya57-mobile: awesome! | 15:57 |
| ivoks | mitya57-mobile: will you drive SRUs too? :) | 15:57 |
| mitya57-mobile | ivoks: maybe, can you file a bug (one that you linked above is a more general issue)? | 15:59 |
| ivoks | mitya57-mobile: ok, i will, tomorrow | 15:59 |
| mitya57-mobile | thanks, then please assign or subscribe me | 16:00 |
| ivoks | mitya57-mobile: ok | 16:00 |
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| pitti | slangasek: FYI, that was already requested in bug 1167196; I'll look at your MP, too | 16:46 |
| ubottu | bug 1167196 in apport (Ubuntu) "should look for errors in upstart logs (once user sessions are enabled)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1167196 | 16:46 |
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| bdmurray | barry: bug 1051935 has received a few more duplicates | 16:58 |
| ubottu | bug 1051935 in python-apt (Ubuntu) "Fails with SystemError when too many files are open" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1051935 | 16:58 |
| xnox | Laney: seb128: why was upstart activation support dropped from dbus? ted and desktop actually now needs those patches since upstart is in the user session now with the session dbus. | 17:19 |
| Laney | xnox: Sorry, I don't know what you're talking about | 17:22 |
| Laney | got a link or something? | 17:22 |
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| dobey | Laney: hey, is pitti at the sprint too? | 17:27 |
| Laney | yeah | 17:27 |
| * pitti waves to dobey, yes | 17:28 | |
| dobey | hi pitti :) | 17:28 |
| xnox | Laney: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus/+bug/1014850/comments/9 | 17:28 |
| dobey | pitti: did you see bug #1173249 ? | 17:28 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1014850 in unity (Ubuntu) "Update to 1.6.4" [High,Fix released] | 17:28 |
| ubottu | bug 1173249 in software-center (Ubuntu Raring) "update-software-center AttributeError during upgrade from 12.10 to 13.04" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1173249 | 17:28 |
| dobey | pitti: there's a debdiff there against pygobject which maybe should also be included in the upstream debian package | 17:29 |
| pitti | hm, no | 17:31 |
| pitti | software-center isn't even in Debian | 17:31 |
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| jbicha | http://packages.qa.debian.org/software-center | 17:32 |
| pitti | and it seems this rather should be the other way around, i. e. s-c and aptdaemon should bump their python-gi dep? | 17:32 |
| Laney | xnox: I think I OKed this with Seb at the time mainly on the basis that it was unmaintained | 17:32 |
| dobey | pitti: the problem is when the old versions of those are still installed, but new python-gi is as well | 17:33 |
| dobey | pitti: so bumping the dep in them won't do anything if they're not installed yet | 17:33 |
| pitti | so as an SRU, yes; sorry, meeting now, will keep the bug open and look after it | 17:33 |
| dobey | it's to fix the crashing during upgrade | 17:34 |
| xnox | Laney: has the upstart team notified of this? from our point of view it was in dbus and usable =) and although default install didn't use it, the facility was provided (same like e.g. upstart socket activation bridge) | 17:34 |
| xnox | Laney: seb128 anything else? I wonder how far dbus now moved on to readd that functionality | 17:35 |
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| dobey | and software-center has no need to bump the version dep on python-gi. nor does aptdaemon really. the new version works on both the old and new python-gi. problem is that python-gi broke the old versions. because breaking API is fun | 17:36 |
| xnox | Laney: jodh is an active upstart maintainer that things can be forked off to. regardless that scott was the original author of that patch series. | 17:36 |
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| Laney | Well, now that it's needed it seems like a good time to investigate bringing it back :-) | 17:38 |
| Laney | Ideally via upstream too ;-) | 17:38 |
| pitti | Laney: bring back GObjectMeta? no, that won't happen | 17:39 |
| Laney | pitti: no, not you - talking to xnox | 17:39 |
| pitti | it has been an internal implementation detail (documented nowhere) | 17:39 |
| pitti | ah, ok | 17:40 |
| Laney | I agree that aptdaemon was using private implementation that it shouldn't be | 17:40 |
| Laney | but it still seems like Breaks: at least to aptdaemon is right | 17:40 |
| pitti | Laney: btw, I'm landing more logind stuff; do you want to look into landing the remaining logind bits? Robert is here, too | 17:40 |
| pitti | Laney: right | 17:40 |
| pitti | thanks dobey for the heads-up | 17:40 |
| Laney | the s-c one was try try and convince dpkg not to run its trigger until we have a working stack underneath it | 17:40 |
| Laney | pitti: where are you? I'll come along in 10 minutes ish | 17:41 |
| xnox | pitti: bring back upstart activation in the dbus package that was dropped in quantal without asking jodh to rebase the patches. | 17:41 |
| Laney | wait, Robert is here, wtf | 17:41 |
| dobey | sure | 17:41 |
| pitti | Laney: QA room, 210 | 17:52 |
| Laney | ack | 17:53 |
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| pitti | Laney: http://pad.ubuntu.com/saucy-logind-transition | 18:17 |
| slangasek | pitti: ah, nice :) | 18:19 |
| pitti | better than spamming everyone on each upload | 18:19 |
| xnox | barry: in python i want `a[1][0][3] or False` to not ever raise any exceptions. | 18:22 |
| barry | a.get(1, []).get(0, []).get(3, []) | 18:22 |
| xnox | barry: because otherwise i have seen `a[1] and a[1][0] and a[1][0][3]` instead. | 18:22 |
| xnox | barry: that didn't return false though. | 18:22 |
| qengho | er. a.get(1, [[False]])...? | 18:23 |
| xnox | qengho: sure. | 18:23 |
| barry | <cough>namedtuples</cough> | 18:23 |
| qengho | try-except! | 18:23 |
| xnox | qengho: hardly a one line =) | 18:24 |
| barry | *finally* | 18:24 |
| qengho | xnox: space is cheap. understanding is expensive. | 18:25 |
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| ev | bdmurray, cjwatson: I've updated the specification, creating a new "tying it all together" section with the notes from our discussion: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ErrorTracker/PhasedUpdates#next | 19:05 |
| ev | can you have a look and make sure everything is there? | 19:05 |
| bdmurray | ev: look | 19:05 |
| bdmurray | er looking | 19:05 |
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| cjwatson | ev: Looks mostly there except for a discussion of the curve from 0% up to 100% | 19:13 |
| cjwatson | (also priority -> urgency) | 19:13 |
| bdmurray | ev: I added a couple of things | 19:14 |
| bdmurray | cjwatson: it looks like there already is an ALWAYS_INCLUDE_PHASED_UPDATES in update-manager | 19:17 |
| cjwatson | bdmurray: right | 19:18 |
| cjwatson | bdmurray: I don't recall how (or if) that's exposed in the UI | 19:18 |
| bdmurray | cjwatson: okay, the request was for a UI for it? | 19:19 |
| ev | cjwatson: can you add the points about the curve to the wiki page? | 19:19 |
| ev | bdmurray: I've updated the page to account for those two issues per our discussion | 19:19 |
| cjwatson | bdmurray: yeah | 19:26 |
| cjwatson | ev: done very telegraphically (in a meeting) | 19:26 |
| ev | :) | 19:26 |
| ev | thanks! | 19:26 |
| roaksoax | deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-proposed restricted main multiverse universe | 19:35 |
| roaksoax | ewrr | 19:35 |
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| mpt | mterry, hey, have you seen <https://code.launchpad.net/~sjakthol/update-manager/fix-slow-calculation/+merge/161284>? | 21:01 |
| xnox | mpt: nice. =) | 21:09 |
| mterry | mpt, on | 21:14 |
| mterry | mpt, no I hadn't | 21:14 |
| xnox | Laney: pitti: seb128_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5617392/ lxc raring container. | 21:26 |
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| seb128 | hum | 21:27 |
| seb128 | xnox, do you have debug output of the job/command? | 21:28 |
| jibel | xnox, this is a known issue with nested containers. There is a solution to fix this with latest lxc if your host is running raring too | 21:28 |
| xnox | stgraber: ^ is looking into this.... | 21:28 |
| seb128 | oh, ok | 21:28 |
| xnox | stgraber: wants to edit configs on my host ... =/ | 21:28 |
| xnox | pitti: so in lxc container libpam-logind fails to configure if its cgroups are not there as expected. | 21:30 |
| xnox | thus dpkg configure fails and it's all not pretty =/ | 21:30 |
| pitti | xnox: libpam-systemd? | 21:31 |
| pitti | yeah, I discussed this with stgraber the other da | 21:31 |
| pitti | y | 21:31 |
| pitti | I think he said it needs an apparmor update to allow mounting the cgroup in the container | 21:31 |
| xnox | sure. but we should sru it in raring =/ | 21:31 |
| xnox | stgraber: ^ | 21:31 |
| xnox | or patch libpam-logind to not configure / require / blow up. | 21:32 |
| pitti | well, you are not supposed to use libpam-systemd in raring in a production env? | 21:32 |
| ogra_ | pitti, pfft, details :P | 21:33 |
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| pitti | stgraber: did you already file a bug about the "reboot after upgrade" issue? Laney and I just analyzed this | 22:14 |
| Laney | phew, figured it out and it's not *quite* as bad as it could be | 22:20 |
| Laney | lolicykit | 22:22 |
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| ahoneybun | ogra_: can you make new images for Kubuntu Active? | 22:31 |
| ogra_ | ahoneybun, for nexus7 ? | 22:32 |
| ScottK | ogra_: Yes. Nexus7. | 22:35 |
| ogra_ | if you mean S i fear that wont work | 22:36 |
| ogra_ | we are dropping the nexus7 flavour completely | 22:36 |
| ogra_ | (we will start to use the kernel on the ubuntu touch images, which means we need to drop some patches that make the desktop touch stuff work) | 22:37 |
| ogra_ | slangasek, ^^ thats why i was wondering if we should juet let the old nexus7 kernel rot in the archive | 22:38 |
| ogra_ | *just | 22:38 |
| pitti | slangasek, stgraber: reboot/suspend/etc. breakage after dist-upgrade fixed in policykit-1_0.105-1ubuntu3.dsc FYI | 22:39 |
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| infinity | doko: Is it intentional that gcj-4.8-jdk pulls in gcj-4.7? | 23:01 |
| ScottK | ogra_: How about for raring? I think ours hadn't been updated in awhile. | 23:03 |
| doko | infinity, fix the ecj build | 23:03 |
| infinity | doko: Oh, right. I'll pass on that. ;) | 23:03 |
| ogra_ | ScottK, well, why would it work better there if i rebuild the already broken image ? | 23:04 |
| ogra_ | i can indeed trigger a new build, but i doubt it would work better than the last one | 23:04 |
| ScottK | How old is the last one? | 23:04 |
| ogra_ | hmm some time around beta i think | 23:05 |
| ScottK | Might get lucky. | 23:05 |
| ogra_ | might actually be that there is a fix in | 23:05 |
| ogra_ | ScottK, running (not sure i can monitor it though, i'm on and off here (sprint)) | 23:09 |
| ScottK | Thanks. | 23:09 |
| ogra_ | ScottK, keep an eye on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-active/daily-preinstalled/ | 23:09 |
| ogra_ | it usually takes between 90-120 min | 23:10 |
| ScottK | Great. | 23:10 |
| ogra_ | (and feb was actually quite old for the last image ... ) | 23:10 |
| ScottK | Right. So maybe we get lucky. | 23:12 |
| cjwatson | ogra_: did you remember to say DIST=raring explicitly, BTW? | 23:22 |
| cjwatson | ogra_: I switched cdimage to saucy by default just before you started that build, I think ... hadn't noticed you were considering a new raring build | 23:23 |
| cjwatson | oh, you're standing next to me, ok | 23:23 |
| infinity | Hahaha. | 23:23 |
| cjwatson | ScottK: ogra_ said he did say DIST=raring when doing the build, which is good; but I think it'll actually spit out in http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-active/raring/daily-preinstalled/ since raring is no longer the default series | 23:25 |
| cjwatson | Probably, anyway. It depends how closely the clocks on my IRC client and nusakan are synced ... | 23:26 |
| ScottK | OK. Thanks. | 23:26 |
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| pitti | bkerensa: hey! do you want to upload https://launchpad.net/~bkerensa/+archive/logind now, or shall I do it for you? | 23:39 |
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| slangasek | ogra_, ScottK, ahoneybun: no, I certainly don't think we should "just" let the old nexus7 kernel rot in the archive; I think if flavors want to continue building images for n7 that requires a different kernel build than the one we're willing to maintain for Ubuntu Touch, we should have a conversation with them about assuming maintenance | 23:41 |
| slangasek | pitti: policykit> thanks :) | 23:42 |
| slangasek | ogra_: which one is the old nexus7 kernel, anyway? Is that linux-nexus7? | 23:42 |
| jbicha | pitti: I believe bkerensa will need sponsorship at the least | 23:42 |
| pitti | slangasek, stgraber: if you caught the old version, "sudo reboot" will fix it | 23:42 |
| ogra_ | slangasek, yeah, and we will switch it to linux-grouper | 23:42 |
| pitti | jbicha: np, I can upload it now | 23:42 |
| slangasek | ogra_: ah | 23:42 |
| ogra_ | so linux-nexus7 could just stay around | 23:42 |
| slangasek | ogra_: then what is the linux-nexus4 kernel currently in the archive? | 23:43 |
| ogra_ | a wrongly named one :) | 23:43 |
| slangasek | ogra_: there's no reason archive-wise that it couldn't stay around, but there needs to be an explicit hand-off to maintainers other than the kernel team | 23:43 |
| ogra_ | the discussion to switch to arch vs marketing kernels only took place after the upload | 23:43 |
| slangasek | ogra_: ah, <shakes fist at rtg> | 23:43 |
| ogra_ | well, its kind of my fault :) ... i started that scheme with the ac100 kernel | 23:44 |
| slangasek | ogra_: anyway, it wouldn't be fair to either the Kubuntu folks or the kernel team to leave the package in the archive as-is, with Kubuntu images using it and the kernel team not actually maintaining it | 23:44 |
| ogra_ | though there it was actually right to call it like that since the kernel will never be able to run on any other tegra2 | 23:44 |
| ogra_ | slangasek, we had that for a good bunch of kernels in the past | 23:45 |
| ScottK | I'm sure we don't want to maintain a kernel for saucy. | 23:45 |
| slangasek | ogra_: that was a *bug*. | 23:45 |
| ogra_ | all the stuff that came from linaro was just removed before raring | 23:45 |
| ogra_ | ah | 23:45 |
| ScottK | This was just about raring. | 23:45 |
| slangasek | yes, and that was a bug that we left packages in place that were abandonware | 23:45 |
| slangasek | ah, well if it's just raring, then ignore me ;) | 23:45 |
| ogra_ | ScottK, well, there is not anything to do actually ... its not like there are any changes to it usually | 23:46 |
| ScottK | We'll follow Ubuntu's lead on kernel stuff. | 23:46 |
| ogra_ | k | 23:46 |
| ogra_ | (android kernels are usually pretty stuck at what they are ... ) | 23:46 |
| slangasek | ScottK: right; the challenge there is that the kernel we'll be building for nexus7 going forward will AIUI work for Ubuntu Touch but not be suitable for X-based systems | 23:48 |
| slangasek | (mutually incompatible patches at the moment) | 23:49 |
| ScottK | Sigh. | 23:49 |
| ScottK | So much for don't worry about Mir, it's all backward compatible. | 23:49 |
| slangasek | it's not Mir that's being incompatible here, it's the Android kernel | 23:50 |
| ScottK | OK, but it's compatible with? | 23:51 |
| slangasek | anyway, if you wanted a Kubuntu Active image using Mir+Xmir, I suppose that would work... once the code exists... :P | 23:51 |
| slangasek | ScottK: it's compatible with SurfaceFlinger | 23:51 |
| slangasek | I don't know if it's compatible with Mir, even | 23:51 |
| ScottK | OK. | 23:51 |
| slangasek | ScottK: also, I'm playing telephone here so I may have misunderstood the nature of the compatibility issue | 23:51 |
| ScottK | OK. | 23:52 |
| ScottK | I need to go help with making dinner anyway. | 23:52 |
| ogra_ | slangasek, ScottK ... not a Mir/SurfaceFlinger issue ... the patch forces the touchscreen to be an evdev device while Ubuntu Touch uses libinput | 23:55 |
| ogra_ | (in either Mir or SurfaceFlinger ...) | 23:56 |
| RAOF | ogra_: But Mir also uses evdev? | 23:58 |
| slangasek | so there you go - not compatible with Mir either ;-P | 23:58 |
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