[05:31] <arxy> hi all!
[06:37] <whereami> Hi, hopefully this is a dumb question: Can I convert my vanilla Ubuntu into Ubuntu GNOME?
[06:38] <whereami> Also, the link to Release Notes on http://ubuntugnome.org/download/ has an extra "h" in the protocol.
[07:01] <darkxst> whereami, see these instructions https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ReleaseNotes/12.10#Upgrade
[07:04] <darkxst> whereami, thanks, link fixed
[07:24] <whereami> darkxst: thanks.
[08:35] <Buggsy> I wanted to install ubuntu gnome 13.04 alongside by windows 7 , but in the wizard, when it comes to resize the partition table, system crashes
[08:38] <Buggsy> so many people are here and yet not even a single reply?
[08:39] <tommie-lie> probably most are from the US and it's in the middle of the(ir) night, and I don't know the answer to your problem :-P
[08:42] <darkxst> Buggsy, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1164592
[10:43] <darkxst> ricotz, hi
[10:43] <ricotz> darkxst, hey
[10:44] <darkxst> ricotz, so I got external panel loading working in g-c-c ;)
[10:44] <darkxst> but not sure what to do about scanning for desktop files
[10:44] <ricotz> oh, so you patched the library back in?
[10:45] <darkxst> ricotz, I wrote some patches to load external panels
[10:45] <darkxst> loads all the .so files from the panels directory
[10:46] <ricotz> darkxst, i see, but you *need* to expose the library since that is what those panels needs to built against in the first place
[10:46] <darkxst> it then loads desktop file, based on module name
[10:46] <darkxst> ricotz, oh yes, I had to rebase the drop library patch
[10:46] <ricotz> darkxst, i see, so you disabled the static build
[10:46] <darkxst> ricotz, native panels are still static
[10:47] <ricotz> ok
[10:47] <ricotz> sounds good
[10:47] <darkxst> not sure what to do about scanning for desktop files though
[10:47] <darkxst> i.e. for the launchers that aren't actually panels
[10:48] <ricotz> i can't follow you right now
[10:48] <darkxst> some of the ubuntu icons, just launch a program
[10:48] <ricotz> just do it like the native panels
[10:48] <darkxst> like language-selector, its not really a panel
[10:49] <ricotz> ah ok
[10:49] <ricotz> i guess you can add a dummy panel which directly launches the desktop-file
[10:50] <darkxst> ricotz, the problem is really just scanning for the desktop files, perhaps could add a conf file or something
[10:51] <darkxst> but I really don't want to pull the gmenu code back in, its not very nice
[10:53] <ricotz> while it is pretty ubuntu specific, you can also hardcode in a patch
[10:53] <ricotz> checking for the existance of the specific desktop file and show it
[10:55] <darkxst> ok, that would be easy, just need a list of desktop files
[10:56] <darkxst> anyway there is a package on my logind ppa with the patches so far
[10:56] <ricotz> ok
[10:57] <darkxst> Brought OnlyShowIn support back too ;)
[10:58] <ricotz> nice
[10:59] <darkxst> I will try and upstream that bit, although they didnt seem to interested in supporting it
[11:02] <ricotz> they have their reasons to remove those things before
[11:02] <darkxst> ricotz, that was just because they removed gmenu code
[11:02] <darkxst> they never explicitly checked it
[11:06] <davidscherer> What's the difference between Ubuntu GNOME and GNOME3?
[11:11] <darkxst> davidscherer, GNOME3 is a Desktop Environment
[11:11] <darkxst> Ubuntu GNOME is Ubuntu with GNOME3!
[11:12] <davidscherer> Oh, so Ubuntu Gnome is the full ubuntu Disto with GNOME3 shipped instead of Unity?
[11:12] <darkxst> davidscherer, yes!
[11:12] <davidscherer> Which means I should just install GNOME3 since Ubuntu is already installed.
[11:13] <darkxst> davidscherer, see the instructions here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ReleaseNotes/12.10#Upgrade
[11:18] <davidscherer> It says this will diables ubuntu-desktop? Is that Unity?
[11:18] <darkxst> that is a meta package that pulls in all of the ubuntu stuff like unity
[11:18] <darkxst> removing it won't actually remove anything though
[11:21] <davidscherer> Thanks. :)
[12:49] <ronj> Hi, I just installed 13.04+gnome3-ppa and love it but I have a few quirks needing ironing, could you help me? 1. Even though a CLI search for something (e.g. 'track-search invoice'), the bottom part of my 3.8 Activities search (supposed to return tracker search results) returns nothing. What am I doing wrong? Note: I think I saw it working, it may be a regression of yesterday's tracker PPA updates. and 2. If search works and documents are returned, is th
[12:49] <ronj> ere a way to have them opened (Return key) with their *associated application* instead of the 'Documents' application?
[12:50] <ronj> maybe I should note that I'm using an encrypted home, using Ubuntu's install-time "encrypt my data" checkbox, is that a problem?
[15:01] <user2345> anyone know how i can put ubuntugnome on usb?
[15:02] <jbicha> user2345: try the "How to create a bootable USB stick" links towards the bottom of http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[15:04] <user2345> thx but doesn't work
[16:09] <basso> games seem to work quite nice with gnome-shell 3.8 and nvidia 313
[16:09] <basso> no vertical tearing or strange lags :)
[16:10] <basso> but i cant see the appindicator for steam anywhere :O
[16:15] <basso> ahh
[16:15] <basso> super+m
[16:30] <basso> you can't close apps on the dash?
[16:45] <camelinahat> basso, I don't understand what you mean you can't close apps on the dash? You should be able to close any of them with the X in the overview or the window itself. But no you can't use the icon on the dash itself to close the application.
[16:46] <basso> camelinahat: more like having 6 terminal windows and want to close the all at the same time? :P
[16:51] <camelinahat> Heh, nope, unfortunately not.
[18:06] <Czech> Hello, what is the default e-mail client in Ubuntu Gnome 13.04? Evolution or Thunderbird?
[18:09] <Czech> Is there anyone?
[18:12] <camelinahat> Hi Czech. It's thunderbird
[18:12] <camelinahat> Oh wait sorry.
[18:12] <camelinahat> I was thinking web. I believe it is Evolution.
[18:15] <Czech> I am thinking about two scenarios. 1) Install Ubuntu and + install Gnome 3.8 or install Gnome Ubuntu + install Gnome 3.8.
[18:15] <camelinahat> Is there any particular reason you want Unity etc?
[18:16] <Czech> No. I want use Gnome 3.8.
 I was thinking web. I believe it is Evolution. >> I confirm it is.
[18:18] <Czech> I like to use Gnome and Firefox and Thunderbird.
[18:18] <camelinahat> Then personally I'd recommend just going with Ubuntu GNOME, and leave the main distro out. It keep updates to a minimum and no worries about conflicts. (Some parts of GNome 3.8 conflict with Unity for packages).
[18:18] <Czech> I do not like Evolution...
[18:18] <camelinahat> Czech, It's easy to just apt-get Thunderbird, no need to use evolution if you don't want. That's what I'm doing.
[18:19] <ronj> +1 to camelinahat, Czech you should install Ubuntu GNOME (+ the PPA to get most GNOME stuff upgraded to 3.8) and apt-get install thunderbird, you'll be better served
[18:19] <Czech> Yes but completly uninstall of Evolution is sometime problem.
[18:20] <ronj> Czech, I don't know about that, I leave it installed and leave it untouched, it causes no harm
[18:22] <camelinahat> Agreed. Some components like Gnome contacts interact with Evolution and you start removing things can cause breakage. Eitherway it's 'recommended'. Just simply don't use it and you won't even see it.
[18:22] <Czech> I understand. But I like clear system.
[18:23] <Czech> Ok, I have to go... Thanks for discusion.
[18:23] <Czech> Bye
[18:23] <camelinahat> Np. but just keep in mind you'll have a much more 'clear' system with Ubuntu GNOME + PPA (even if Evolution is installed) than standard Ubuntu + GNOME + PPA
[18:23] <ronj> bye
[18:23] <jbicha> by "completely uninstal of Evolution", don't try to remove evolution-data-server
[18:24] <Czech> Ok
[18:24] <jbicha> EDS is a core part of a GNOME system and it's used by more things than just Evolution
[18:24] <ronj> jbicha, like the calendar stuff in the top bar?
[18:26] <camelinahat> Thanks jbicha. I knew some components were, but didn't know specifically which
[20:23] <arpu> hello
[20:24] <arpu> i installed the gnome ppa on fresh "normal" ubuntu 13.04 install
[20:24] <arpu> i have some problems to add online accounts for empathy if i open the accounts options all are empty
[20:24] <arpu> anyone an idea?
[20:26] <cmatheson> arpu: you have to use ubuntu-online-accounts for account setup
[20:27] <arpu> cmatheson, hi i think i use ubuntu-online accounts
[20:27] <arpu> google chat works fine  but icq or jabber the options are empty
[20:29] <cmatheson> oh ok, sorry.  i don't know why that would be
[20:32] <jbicha> arpu: you need to install the appropriate plugins
[20:32] <jbicha> account-plugin-icq
[20:35] <arpu> hi jbicha
[20:35] <arpu> account-plugin-icq : Hängt ab von: empathy (= 3.6.4-0ubuntu4) aber 3.7.92-0ubuntu1~raring1 soll installiert werden
[20:35] <arpu> sorry for the german
[20:36] <jbicha> oh you're using the Staging PPA
[20:37] <jbicha> if you need empathy to work you may want to ppa-purge the gnome3-staging ppa
[20:37] <arpu> ok i will try
[20:42] <arpu> jbicha,  same problem :/ after install the account-plugin-icq
[20:43] <arpu> i can select icq but after this the options menu is empty
[21:09] <jbicha> arpu: I don't know then, there's more people available in #ubuntu that might be able to help you troubleshoot
[21:09] <arpu> ok thx jbicha but i think this is a gnome shell problem i am on debugging
[21:10] <arpu> does it for on you gnome shell ubuntu install?
[21:10] <darkxst> jbicha, we don't want the ubuntu privacy panel, right?
[21:48] <shinobi_one> Does Ubuntu 12.10 gnome-remix upgrade to 13.04?
[21:50] <darkxst> shinobi_one, yes, but make sure to remove any ppa'a first
[21:51] <shinobi_one> darkxst: what exactly do you mean remove any ppas first?
[21:52] <darkxst> shinobi_one, like gnome3 PPA, but if your not using them, then don't worry about that!
[21:52] <shinobi_one> darkxst: I've added quite a few PPAs over the course of my 12.10 gnome-remix installation lol
[21:54] <shinobi_one> darkxst: I don't believe I added a separate Gnome 3 PPA though if that's the one that would cause an issue
[21:54] <darkxst> shinobi_one, anything that updates core libraries could cause issues
[21:55] <darkxst> things like Xorg-edgers, gnome3 etc..
[21:56] <shinobi_one> Independent and Independent (Source Code)?
[22:02] <darkxst> shinobi_one, what is that?
[22:03] <shinobi_one> Hell if I know :P
[22:03] <shinobi_one> I'm guessing it's the optional 3rd party sources to include upon installation, such as mpeg codec and what not?
[22:05] <jbicha> darkxst: why? did you figure out how to get external panels working?
[22:05] <darkxst> jbicha, yes
[22:23] <shinobi_one> does about 1,004M sound right for an upgrade from 12.10 gnome-remix to 13.10?
[22:26] <atrus> not crazy far off.... that's a bit more than an installation CD
[22:44] <darkxst> jbicha, although language-selector crashes when I try to launch it ;(
[22:45] <darkxst> oh thats just jhbuild messing things up I guess
[22:51] <shinobi_one> atrus: Well I would assume it's upgrading other packages beyond just core packages right? such as things I've installed?
[22:55] <darkxst> shinobi_one, yes its upgrades everything you have installed
[23:00] <shinobi_one> That would probably be where the size > install cd
[23:04] <shinobi_one> comes from*
[23:10] <shinobi_one> Did gnome-remix just become Ubuntu Gnome?
[23:13] <arpu> http://paste.railsbox.eu/show/717/someone an idea what the problem is here ?
[23:13] <arpu> http://paste.railsbox.eu/show/717/
[23:15] <jbicha> arpu: I think the basic problem is that we need to update gedit-plugins in the gnome3 ppa to the latest version
[23:19] <jbicha> darkxst: um yes I think it would be better to stick with GNOME's privacy panel and people can use the standalone Unity Privacy panel if they need it
[23:20] <jbicha> it would be nice if zeitgeist would respect the GNOME privacy settings and it would be nice if Unity would adapt their panels to fit with the new GNOME 3.8 stuff but I don't see anyone that will work on that
[23:20] <jbicha> I see that activity-log-manager is segfaulting here with the staging ppa
[23:21] <jbicha> GLib-GIO-CRITICAL **: g_application_list_actions: assertion `application->priv->is_registered' failed
[23:34] <arpu> jbicha you mean gedit-plugins-3.8.1 ?
[23:37] <jbicha> yes